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(Omaha World Herald)   Handicapped man sues University of Nebraska for closing handicapped parking stalls so tailgaters can party, violating federal law. So of course irrational Husker fans blame the handicapped man for wanting to go to a museum on game day   (omaha.com) divider line 163
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2012-09-14 11:29:07 AM
Where the N stands for Knowledge.
 
2012-09-14 11:48:01 AM
Because FOOTBALL!
 
2012-09-14 11:56:10 AM

vudukungfu: Because FOOTBALL!


Oftentimes there are events going on of varying types. If there's a parade downtown, they kick the cars off the streets. If you want to visit a business along the parade route, you're not going to be allowed to park there, even if you're handicapped.

Same goes for this. They close off the parking lots for event parking. Just avoid going to that area for the day. It's not that hard.

As for the other parking spot, if you let people park in the handicapped stalls for free, it's gonna be a problem that everyone who is able-bodied has to pay for the parking (or the late-arriving handicapped people who DON'T get the awesome parking space AND have to pay).
 
2012-09-14 11:56:27 AM
Going to campus on game day? I'm not sure the man is smart enough to be allowed to drive. Me thinks he is a whore for the attention.
 
2012-09-14 12:11:56 PM
"It was the university trying to make a few bucks off of disabled citizens," she said.

Yep, that's what it was. They probably wouldn't even have a football team if it didn't provide them a feasible excuse to charge for handicapped parking.
 
2012-09-14 12:16:33 PM

IAmRight: vudukungfu: Because FOOTBALL!

Oftentimes there are events going on of varying types. If there's a parade downtown, they kick the cars off the streets. If you want to visit a business along the parade route, you're not going to be allowed to park there, even if you're handicapped.



Except they aren't just closing off these parking spots, they're letting perfectly able bodied people park in them so they can tailgate. He's going to end up with a big fat settlement from the university, and more power to him.
 
2012-09-14 12:28:19 PM
Sports nerds picking on the handicapped? What else is new?
 
2012-09-14 12:32:57 PM

NuttierThanEver: Where the N stands for Knowledge.


Yeah, that joke totally isn't 2 days older than dirt.
 
2012-09-14 12:45:07 PM

Sybarite: IAmRight: vudukungfu: Because FOOTBALL!

Oftentimes there are events going on of varying types. If there's a parade downtown, they kick the cars off the streets. If you want to visit a business along the parade route, you're not going to be allowed to park there, even if you're handicapped.


Except they aren't just closing off these parking spots, they're letting perfectly able bodied people park in them so they can tailgate. He's going to end up with a big fat settlement from the university, and more power to him.



Yeah, gotta agree with him.  These were handicapped spots for venues (a museum apparently) that were open.  Don't want the hassle?  Close the museum during gameday.  Not that hard.  If its open, you have to provide handicapped parking.
 
2012-09-14 01:39:09 PM

Sybarite: Except they aren't just closing off these parking spots, they're letting perfectly able bodied people park in them so they can tailgate. He's going to end up with a big fat settlement from the university, and more power to him.


The parking spots become part of a tailgate area, not unlike a parade - it's not like a tailgate area is full of people neatly parked in each parking space.

downstairs: Yeah, gotta agree with him.  These were handicapped spots for venues (a museum apparently) that were open.  Don't want the hassle?  Close the museum during gameday.  Not that hard.  If its open, you have to provide handicapped parking.


Problem solved. Close the museum on game days in the future. Thanks, handicapped guy!
 
2012-09-14 01:39:22 PM

IAmRight: vudukungfu: Because FOOTBALL!

Oftentimes there are events going on of varying types. If there's a parade downtown, they kick the cars off the streets. If you want to visit a business along the parade route, you're not going to be allowed to park there, even if you're handicapped.

Same goes for this. They close off the parking lots for event parking. Just avoid going to that area for the day. It's not that hard.

As for the other parking spot, if you let people park in the handicapped stalls for free, it's gonna be a problem that everyone who is able-bodied has to pay for the parking (or the late-arriving handicapped people who DON'T get the awesome parking space AND have to pay).


You are clearly unfamiliar with the Americans with Disabilities Act.

The fact the university promised to correct the situation will probably double the damages awarded.
 
2012-09-14 01:41:05 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Going to campus on game day? I'm not sure the man is smart enough to be allowed to drive. Me thinks he is a whore for the attention.


There are crippled people that make a good living suing over ADA violations. Next game they'll be lined up around the block. You watch.
 
2012-09-14 01:43:44 PM

Marcus Aurelius: You are clearly unfamiliar with the Americans with Disabilities Act.


Once again, I don't argue about legality, I argue about morality. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it's wrong and just because something is legal doesn't make it right. I couldn't care less what the legal problems are, because that's what courts are for, not random internet forums.
 
2012-09-14 02:06:51 PM
Isn't there some statistic where during gamedays, Cornhusker Stadium (or whatever it is actually called) can accurately be termed the largest city in Nebraska?
 
2012-09-14 02:11:28 PM
That sounds about right.

/Go Big Red!
//Memorial Stadium on game days would be the 3rd largest city in Nebraska.
 
2012-09-14 02:11:59 PM

rickythepenguin: Isn't there some statistic where during gamedays, Cornhusker Stadium (or whatever it is actually called) can accurately be termed the largest city in Nebraska?


Third. It holds just shy of 90k. Omaha and Lincoln are both much larger than that.
 
2012-09-14 02:18:30 PM
"It was the university trying to make a few bucks off of disabled citizens," she said.


Bah, doesn't matter that he was disabled. The university wants to make a few bucks off everyone. You pay $600 a semester for a stall in a parking garage, but if you show up to park on a game day you still have to pay $10-15.


/grumble
 
2012-09-14 02:19:57 PM

serial_crusher: "It was the university trying to make a few bucks off of disabled citizens," she said.

Yep, that's what it was. They probably wouldn't even have a football team if it didn't provide them a feasible excuse to charge for handicapped parking.


You gotta admit, they really did commit to this scam. The team had real uniforms and everything!
 
2012-09-14 02:20:33 PM

Intelligent_Donkey: Third. It holds just shy of 90k. Omaha and Lincoln are both much larger than that.



sorry, thanks. never been to nebraska. thought i heard something like that.
 
2012-09-14 02:20:51 PM

NuttierThanEver: Where the N stands for Knowledge.


You confuse that slogan with Northern Michigan University.
 
2012-09-14 02:21:46 PM
He is suing cause the University of Nebraska Lincoln broke a promise to have this situation resolved by September 1st. They didn't do that.
 
2012-09-14 02:22:21 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Going to campus on game day? I'm not sure the man is smart enough to be allowed to drive. Me thinks he is a whore for the attention.


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Norton's attorney, Kathleen Neary of Lincoln, said her client tried to bring two children to Morrill Hall on a game day in October 2010 so they could do research for a school project. He was barred from parking at two marked handicapped parking stalls outside the museum.

Oh no! Someone trying to use a university as an actual institution of higher learning! WHAT AN ATTENTION WHORE THAT GUY IS!
 
2012-09-14 02:23:22 PM
Okay, pulled it up on google maps - the parking lot is right next to the stadium. Yeah, those are always tailgating parking lots. People pay hundreds of dollars to park their cars in a space and have fun for up to a day. You're paying nothing and using their resources. Why won't they let you go into a place everyone else has to pay to be for free?! Your kids don't even go to the university.

I need to get an unnecessary handicapped sticker so I can try to score some free parking spots for, oh, every event ever, since damn near every single one charges for parking.

Does this person also demand free parking in parking garages?

/do handicapped people get free parking in parking garages?
 
2012-09-14 02:27:54 PM
Also, I don't see where it wasn't fixed. I see a bunch of details about the 2010 incident, where the guy got to park in a pay parking lot for two hours for free and complained about it, but nothing about anything this year.
 
2012-09-14 02:49:16 PM
I'm just gonna assume that the "handicapped" trolls have reached Nebraska. They've gotten so bad in Los Angeles that they were looking into adjusting the laws to prevent the lawsuits that were coming from them.

For those who don't know, there are people who go around various establishments and venues (usually restaurants) just to find various infractions (as in, this sink is 40 inches high instead of 36) and send their scuzzy lawyer in to demand money. The restaurant owner settles out of court, only to have someone else shows up six months later with some other frivolous violation (the door takes X pounds of force to open! Get out your Newton meters people!). They just so happen to have the same lawyer. And, oh yeah, they likely never even went into the building.

Even if this isn't the case for this person (but someone else will just show up for the lawsuit, I guarantee), they're very clearly mentally handicapped to think it's a good idea to go anywhere near that area for anything non-football related.
 
2012-09-14 02:51:41 PM
Actually if the lot was closed to public access, they didn't have to let him park there. Now if they closed just the handicap spots and told him to fark off, he'd have a case. If the entire lot was closed for event parking and everyone needed a permit, they can tell him he has to pay. Just because the University painted some blue lines doesn't mean that is a handicap spot until the sun burns out.

We had a similar court case at Michigan, where a number of handicap spots required both Blue and Handicap permits. Where the Blue permit is issued to Michigan staff. So basically parking for handicap staff only. Some chump parked in one during enforcement hours, had his car towed and tried to sue because he had a handicap sticker. 50% of the required permits does not mean you can ignore the other requirements though and the courts kicked his ass to the curb.
 
2012-09-14 02:54:16 PM

NotEric: Even if this isn't the case for this person (but someone else will just show up for the lawsuit, I guarantee), they're very clearly mentally handicapped to think it's a good idea to go anywhere near that area for anything non-football related.


God forbid someone would want to use an academic facility that's open to the public and expect they could receive the access they're entitled to by law.

I guess that's what happens when you have a football program that runs a little university on the side.
 
2012-09-14 02:56:24 PM
Blah blah blah. Go white knight him and his gimp legs elsewhere.
 
2012-09-14 02:56:59 PM
Let me guess, he is "handicapped" because he is a fatass that can't stop eating?

85% of the people I see driving and parking with handicapped tags aren't handicapped. About 75% are just lazy fatasses.
 
2012-09-14 02:57:49 PM

IAmRight: Does this person also demand free parking in parking garages?


Probably not.

IAmRight: /do handicapped people get free parking in parking garages?


Not usually. However... if there is "free" parking provided for a facility as well as "pay" parking... there must be ADA compliant spaces in the "free" area.
 
2012-09-14 02:59:23 PM

NotEric: Even if this isn't the case for this person (but someone else will just show up for the lawsuit, I guarantee), they're very clearly mentally handicapped to think it's a good idea to go anywhere near that area for anything non-football related.


I like the people that are upset because "his kid had a report due!"

Yeah, because there aren't any other libraries on campus or around the city. And there's no internet. If your handicapped dad has to drive you to the library, I'm betting you're not writing something that requires very extensive research.

Actually, I checked University of Nebraska - Lincoln's webpage - all of their libraries are now shut down on game days (well, the ones nearby). The ones that are open are C.Y. Thompson (not really close to the stadium at all) and Love Library (a few blocks away). Morrill Hall is a museum - the information that they'd have there seems to be online, as well.
 
2012-09-14 02:59:47 PM
Real morans in the facebook crap on that page.
Here's the deal: blue designated handicapped spaces are provided for handicapped people with the correct placard, sticker or other device in or on their vehicle.

All the time.

Every day.

24/7.

No exceptions.

Whether there is a football game or not.

Not to be sold to "donors" or other idiots who think that our colleges and universities should be more about football than learning.

Fu(k this university.
 
2012-09-14 03:03:04 PM

wiredroach: God forbid someone would want to use an academic facility that's open to the public and expect they could receive the access they're entitled to by law.

I guess that's what happens when you have a football program that runs a little university on the side.


There's this thing called fun. You should look it up next time you're in the library.
 
2012-09-14 03:03:08 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Not usually. However... if there is "free" parking provided for a facility as well as "pay" parking... there must be ADA compliant spaces in the "free" area.


Of course. But this was a case where the parking lot was closed off for tailgating and he thinks he should be able to park in the spaces that normally are handicapped for free, so why would that stop him?

/no one closes off just the handicapped spots
 
2012-09-14 03:07:35 PM

rewind2846: Real morans in the facebook crap on that page.
Here's the deal: blue designated handicapped spaces are provided for handicapped people with the correct placard, sticker or other device in or on their vehicle.

All the time.

Every day.

24/7.

No exceptions.


Oh good, so everyone else's parking spaces can cost them, but being handicapped means you never have to pay for parking ever, and you will always have open parking spaces? I need to sign up for that.
 
2012-09-14 03:10:59 PM

LL316: wiredroach: God forbid someone would want to use an academic facility that's open to the public and expect they could receive the access they're entitled to by law.

I guess that's what happens when you have a football program that runs a little university on the side.

There's this thing called fun. You should look it up next time you're in the library.


What does that have to do with the difference between a university that has a football team, and a football team that has a university?

One of these is wrong. I'll let you guess which.
 
2012-09-14 03:12:08 PM
Always hafta add this in ADA threads...

I'm a commercial construction superintendent... and I am intimately familiar with the ADA and its plethora of regulations.

If the general public knew how much the ADA costs businesses (and then the consumer in increased prices)... there would be a revolt.

Working on a project right now... we have had to delay the opening of the store so we can demo, re-grade and re-pave a 75' by 225' area of the parking lot. Why? Because the slope of the sidewalk, parking and driveway is 1 degree over the ADA requirement.

Gonna cost about $100,000 in total.

Who do you think pays for that?
 
2012-09-14 03:13:23 PM

rewind2846: What does that have to do with the difference between a university that has a football team, and a football team that has a university?

One of these is wrong. I'll let you guess which.


No one's saying the dude can't go to the museum. If he was actually handicapped and actually wanted to visit the museum, then he'd have made arrangements. You can't say you're going to a museum, then claim that you had tons of injuries and had to seek medical attention because you had to walk too far to the museum. WHAT WERE YOU GOING TO DO IN THE MUSEUM? Pay admission then sit on a bench the whole time, not looking at anything?
 
2012-09-14 03:15:52 PM

rewind2846: What does that have to do with the difference between a university that has a football team, and a football team that has a university?


Yes, in a perfect world, we'd value education over athletics. I get that.

Now, do you, or anyone else actually have a plan in place that can not only make that happen, but also provide the finances required (much like football and other major collegiate sports do) to fund actual academic departments? I know this is just a message board and opinions are cool, but this argument (and the "professional athletes make too much money") gets a little stale without substance.
 
2012-09-14 03:16:17 PM

IAmRight:

Oh good, so everyone else's parking spaces can cost them, but being handicapped means you never have to pay for parking ever, and you will always have open parking spaces? I need to sign up for that.


If everyone else pays for parking, handicapped should pay as well.

However....

There should NEVER be non-handicapped people in a handicapped space, which is what was happening here. Able-bodied football fans were parking in these spaces just so they could grill weeners and fill their fat guts with bad beer, while the guy who has trouble walking couldn't get the space.

That is why he's suing.
 
2012-09-14 03:16:48 PM

IAmRight: Pray 4 Mojo: Not usually. However... if there is "free" parking provided for a facility as well as "pay" parking... there must be ADA compliant spaces in the "free" area.

Of course. But this was a case where the parking lot was closed off for tailgating and he thinks he should be able to park in the spaces that normally are handicapped for free, so why would that stop him?

/no one closes off just the handicapped spots


No part of the parking lot was closed off. If a parking lot is being used for tailgating, it means people are parking their cars there. The spots marked off for people with disabilities were "rented" by donors, according to the article. The lot was not closed; it was in use and people were using the lot to park their cars (and stand next to them and drink before going into the stadium). Federal law says a percentage (4%, 2% or 1% depending on the size of the lot) of all parking lots must have spaces for people who are disabled. On top of that, the University told the man they would fix the problem six months before the incident he is suing over.
 
2012-09-14 03:17:11 PM

rewind2846: Here's the deal: blue designated handicapped spaces are provided for handicapped people with the correct placard, sticker or other device in or on their vehicle.
Not to be sold to "donors" or other idiots who think that our colleges and universities should be more about football than learning.


TFA doesn't specify whether said donors were themselves handicapped or not...

rewind2846: Fu(k


really? really?
 
2012-09-14 03:18:08 PM

Sybarite: IAmRight: vudukungfu: Because FOOTBALL!

Oftentimes there are events going on of varying types. If there's a parade downtown, they kick the cars off the streets. If you want to visit a business along the parade route, you're not going to be allowed to park there, even if you're handicapped.


Except they aren't just closing off these parking spots, they're letting perfectly able bodied people park in them so they can tailgate. He's going to end up with a big fat settlement from the university, and more power to him.


Except for the bazillion handicap spots they have next to the stadium.

They didn't turn handicap spots into non-handicap spots; they turned museum parking into stadium parking.
 
2012-09-14 03:19:50 PM

downstairs: Sybarite: IAmRight: vudukungfu: Because FOOTBALL!

Oftentimes there are events going on of varying types. If there's a parade downtown, they kick the cars off the streets. If you want to visit a business along the parade route, you're not going to be allowed to park there, even if you're handicapped.


Except they aren't just closing off these parking spots, they're letting perfectly able bodied people park in them so they can tailgate. He's going to end up with a big fat settlement from the university, and more power to him.


Yeah, gotta agree with him.  These were handicapped spots for venues (a museum apparently) that were open.  Don't want the hassle?  Close the museum during gameday.  Not that hard.  If its open, you have to provide handicapped parking.


They only have to provide handicap parking for the museum if the provide regular parking, which they do not on game days.
 
2012-09-14 03:20:07 PM

IAmRight: HAT WERE YOU GOING TO DO IN THE MUSEUM? Pay admission then sit on a bench the whole time, not looking at anything?


Does it matter what he was going to do at the museum? If it was open, and he had the correct ID on his vehicle, he gets the space. End of story. What he was going to do there doesn't matter... his use of the campus is just as valid as the tailgaters.
 
2012-09-14 03:20:10 PM

IAmRight: Pray 4 Mojo: Not usually. However... if there is "free" parking provided for a facility as well as "pay" parking... there must be ADA compliant spaces in the "free" area.

Of course. But this was a case where the parking lot was closed off for tailgating and he thinks he should be able to park in the spaces that normally are handicapped for free, so why would that stop him?

/no one closes off just the handicapped spots


To be clear... not arguing with you... just answering your question.
 
2012-09-14 03:26:09 PM

Killer Cars: rewind2846: What does that have to do with the difference between a university that has a football team, and a football team that has a university?

Yes, in a perfect world, we'd value education over athletics. I get that.

Now, do you, or anyone else actually have a plan in place that can not only make that happen, but also provide the finances required (much like football and other major collegiate sports do) to fund actual academic departments? I know this is just a message board and opinions are cool, but this argument (and the "professional athletes make too much money") gets a little stale without substance.



The commonly held assumption the athletics finance academics is not supported by the numbers. Most of the money coming into athletic programs never makes it to academics and rarely even covers the cost of the athletic program. On the contrary, the bigger the sports program the more money that gets siphoned from academics to support it.
 
2012-09-14 03:33:21 PM

serial_crusher: rewind2846: Here's the deal: blue designated handicapped spaces are provided for handicapped people with the correct placard, sticker or other device in or on their vehicle.
Not to be sold to "donors" or other idiots who think that our colleges and universities should be more about football than learning.

TFA doesn't specify whether said donors were themselves handicapped or not...
rewind2846: Fu(k

really? really?


Yes really. Fu(k them.
CSB time: at one of the campus class buildings of the university I just graduated from, one of my classmates who used a scooter (on bad days) and crutches (on good days) to get around on her shriveled legs was constantly cockblocked from using the handicapped spaces for the building. They were around the back of the building and not easily seen from the street, right next to the main elevator, so people could squeeze in them if they had a small car and get away with it.

So many times I saw her hiking up the half mile hill from the nearest student parking garage, sweat dripping from her face as she was determined to make it to class. Initially I asked her about it, but she said she didn't want to make trouble (very shy), so I filed the complaint for her. Very next day the campus police re-routed their usual patrols for that area, and the moran in her spot the day after got a ticket for $325.00.

The space was clear every day after that. She baked me some cookies to thank me, and graduated on time.
Handicapped spaces are for handicapped people, whether they are pay spaces or not.
/CSB
 
2012-09-14 03:33:35 PM

Bullseyed: Let me guess, he is "handicapped" because he is a fatass that can't stop eating?

85% of the people I see driving and parking with handicapped tags aren't handicapped. About 75% are just lazy fatasses.


This just in: handicaps which make movement difficult make exercise and weight loss difficult.
 
2012-09-14 03:33:39 PM

IAmRight: Oh good, so everyone else's parking spaces can cost them, but being handicapped means you never have to pay for parking ever, and you will always have open parking spaces?


What the f*ck does it hurt you to let someone with a disability get around more easily? Selfish prick.
 
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