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2012-09-14 10:27:48 AM

LasersHurt: madgonad: There are actually some problems with the iPhone5 that are getting a little bit of coverage, though generally being drowned out by the hype.

1. No NFC. - Seriously, WTF Apple!
2. No simultaneous voice and data on CDMA carriers. Every LTE Android phone can do it, but Apple chose to reduce the number of antennas to get the device thinner and that eliminated this function. Since Verizon is throwing in free mobile Hotspot in their plans, it is going to suck that the data connection will drop when a phone call comes in.
3. The didn't plan to support the future LTE frequencies - specifically Vodaphones 4G LTE networks in the UK and beyond. They are being deployed right now and will be turned on in 1Q13. If you are a global roamer and use data, the iPhone 5 will be outdated at launch. Android LTE global devices have been ready for this rollout since 2011.

1. NFC is really new. It's a cool tech, but there's very little infrastructure for it. That said, that infrastructure is going to blow up over the next year, but it's a gamble they've made for better or worse. I think it will be like LTE - up front, honestly, it's not ubiquitous enough to sweat it. By the time it's everywhere, you get a new device out. A little late to the game, but not much worse for the wear.

2. They did not remove the antenna for thinness, they use the dual antennas for boosting and providing reliability to the primary connection. Still not sure it was the right move, I really like talking and using data on AT&T.

3. These turn out every year. One year from now, I'll bet they've got all the frequencies ready. Again, it's a bit of a lag, but that seems to be their safety practice these days.


This just kinda highlights the notion that Apple used to innovate and now they're just playing catch-up, no?
 
2012-09-14 10:28:30 AM

The Bestest: susansto-helit: I'm due for an upgrade in November. I'll probably get the 5 then. I currently have a Galaxy S. No one I know with a 4 or 4S plans to upgrade except for the fankids, though.

What has you interested in the iPhone 5 as opposed to the Galaxy S3?


For some reason I'm much more prone to dropping smartphones than I am my old cell phones. The Galaxies, though good phones, have a flimsier plastic backing on them that the iPhones don't have. The iPhone's are pretty solid. That and I have an iPad and it'll be easier to sync it up with that.
 
2012-09-14 10:28:42 AM
I just bought an S3. My first 'proper' smartphone after years of corporate Blackberries. It's pretty awesome and, as somebody said earlier, aligns well with my Google-ised life. Wife has had iPhones since they first came out.

I'd say that, more or less, they S3 and iPhone 4S (as my comparison) are identical in most respects to the average user.

iPhone is better at: Managing music, Samsung's iTunes equivalent sucks ass
S3 is better at: Video (bigger screen) and plugging anything in to it - I have an adapter that lets me mount a regular SD card externally and view the files in a folder. Also, the S3 comes with a free 50Gb Dropbox account (or boost to an existing account).

I got the S3 for the external storage, YMMV. I don't get the fanboy-isms - they are both incredible devices that ten years ago would have been almost incomprehensible. They're like...magic, man.
 
2012-09-14 10:28:53 AM

swaxhog: I also don't balk at paying $1.99 for an app I may use for a week and beat it or move on to something else.


But this library of $2 apps that you don't use anymore will stop you from changing platforms?

/that was the original argument
 
2012-09-14 10:29:26 AM
same phone, less bevel, faster. gottit.
 
2012-09-14 10:29:32 AM
Just cause this is one of the funniest vids I've seen in a while (and is about iphone5).

Link

Just buy and don't ask why!
You know you're gonna get an iphone5.
 
2012-09-14 10:29:42 AM

Carth: Rev.K: Carth: Once someone spends a few hundred dollars in apps they are less likely to jump to another platform.

How the f*ck do you spend "a few hundred dollars" on apps?

My total spend on apps with my Android phone of 18 months is about $10.

You're a lawyer studying for the bar? That one alone is a few hundred dollars. If you do a lot of statistical research the apps are also very expensive. Using a table or phone for any professional purpose and the cost of applications gets expensive really quick.


I do a lot of statistical research, and I would never once bother trying to do that on my phone, whether it was my old iphone 4 or my new s3. That's stupid.
 
2012-09-14 10:31:24 AM

Farking Canuck: Zizzowop: The cult of Apple haters, they will buy anything but Apple no matter what.

This is true for me but I contend that my hate is completely justified by Apple's choices and their policy of "our way is the only way".

Apple gives you no choice in: phone design (one size, no keyboard, etc.), the interface program you use (iTunes only), the store you use (App store only). Their attempts to control how I use my phone is offensive ... hence the hate.

Justified hate is different from blind hate. That may be difficult to recognize through your blind love.


Blind love for what? I agree with most of what you're saying, doesn't make me an Apple hater. I use a PC, a MAC, I have an iPod, Archos, and whatever else does things I like.
 
2012-09-14 10:31:41 AM
thinkoutsidetheboxtoday.com
 
2012-09-14 10:32:13 AM

Carth:
run apps you've already purchased for either your previous iphone or ipad. Once someone spends a few hundred dollars in apps they are less likely to jump to another platform. It was pretty brilliant for both apple and android to lock people into their phones in that way.


I have an honest question here. I've bought almost every iPhone since the first. I mostly stay with it because Apple makes it stupid simple to change devices while keeping every damn setting on every app on the device. So I've amassed about 300 apps on my current iPhone 4. When I get a new device, I plug it in, move my account and a few hours later, I have a brand new device, but all the exact apps with the same settings that I had before. Can this be done with Android yet, without rooting devices or setting up a dev environment on my computer?
 
2012-09-14 10:33:25 AM

secularsage: Make no mistake about it, though -- Apple demonstrated this week what the course is going to be in a post-Steve Jobs world. The presentation felt like a grotesque parody of the past, and the lack of new ideas revealed that the iPhone has reached a point where it's playing catch-up to the competition rather than leading the way.


As a long time iDevice consumer, I agree with this completely. The issue, IMHO, is that Apple is filled with people who are aces at bringing a vision to life, but Jobs completely drove off anyone else with vision. So now they're stuck where they have no fresh ideas coming in and only the ability to incrementally improve something that was tethered to Jobs' vision on how things were going to proceed and was engineered not to be flexible outside that path.

I'm going to give the Surface a whirl for Christmas; I can justify it for work, if nothing else. If Microsoft remains committed to the mobile platform, in two more versions they'll have something solid (that third version is always the charm from them).
 
2012-09-14 10:33:37 AM

JackieRabbit: Dear early adopters,

We smart consumers appreciate your zeal for being the first to buy a new model of a device. Your need to be first allows manufacturers to use you as Guinea pigs to find the bugs and fine tune their products so that the rest of us will have a satisfactory product at a lower cost. Your contribution is most valuable.


I am an early adopter of most things. I am the idiot who bought the 5GB, Firewire, Mac-Only iPod for $600, the $1,900 37-inch 720p LCD television with 1 HDMI input, etc. I install operating systems on the day they're released. I buy new cars with all of the whiz-bang gizmos and features. I am aware of what I am getting myself into. It's just a passion. I like to experience technology when it's fresh and stay ahead of the curve. I skip some generations of things if it's going to cost me fantastic amounts of money and I don't require a new one. But when it does come time to replace something like a phone, or a car, or a camera, or whatever, I usually go with the newest thing because I'm interested in it. I make mistakes sometimes, but I live with them. I'm not sure if you're being serious or not, but I think it's a good thing there are people like me, because otherwise things would advance much more slowly.
 
kab
2012-09-14 10:33:55 AM

LasersHurt: That port had to go. It was old technology. It's silly to presume they should keep the same old thing forever.


"well, it's just.. old and stuff" is a perfectly valid reason to change connectors for a phone, I agree.

Apple and their ilk are absolute masters of carefully planned obsolescence, I'm not sure how so many are oblivious to this.
 
2012-09-14 10:34:48 AM

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Carth: Rev.K: Carth: Once someone spends a few hundred dollars in apps they are less likely to jump to another platform.

How the f*ck do you spend "a few hundred dollars" on apps?

My total spend on apps with my Android phone of 18 months is about $10.

You're a lawyer studying for the bar? That one alone is a few hundred dollars. If you do a lot of statistical research the apps are also very expensive. Using a table or phone for any professional purpose and the cost of applications gets expensive really quick.

I do a lot of statistical research, and I would never once bother trying to do that on my phone, whether it was my old iphone 4 or my new s3. That's stupid.


There are some remarkably well done data collection apps with SAS and SPSS compatibility if you do a lot of field work and don't want to carry a laptop tablets actually work pretty well since they are light and easy to charge with a small solar panel.
 
2012-09-14 10:35:08 AM

The Bestest: am_svperstar: I actually just went to pre-order one for my girl (her Incredible was anything BUT) and they're telling me either I have to ditch the Unlimited Data Plan and pay monthly for data by the GB or pay full farking price for an iPhone at a retailer. And she's eligible for an upgrade too.
WTF?

Both AT&T and Verizon changed to "multiple devices sharing a metered data pool, but hey, unlimited voice!" plans for anyone getting a new contract.


ATT and VZW both seem to be willing to allow you to keep a grandfathered unlimited plan. My Incredible is losing its shiat and requires replacement soon; I'll probably get the new iPhone as I don't care about NFC or LTE/HSPA global roaming.

My wife has the iPhone 4; it has had absolutely zero faults for her and feels nice and solid. I was considering the SIII for my next phone but a couple of people I work with have had significant call problems with Verizon-primarily calls shutting down after about 90 seconds.

But if the iPhone can run the iOS version of Garage band, it's worth it to me. That would make a great practice recorder and I like the Mac version of garage band.

I wouldn't buy the older versions of iPhone primarily because their screen was too small for me to find useful.
 
2012-09-14 10:35:33 AM

Carth: Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do? What exactly? I can find more games and apps than I can ever use. And hell, Android, SD card, I can pretty much use anything I want on it which I find that Apple seems to frown on. This would annoy me often.

I just don't get it, I guess.

run apps you've already purchased for either your previous iphone or ipad. Once someone spends a few hundred dollars in apps they are less likely to jump to another platform. It was pretty brilliant for both apple and android to lock people into their phones in that way.


I'm not seeing how the android market locks you into a phone? Its a pretty open platform that works on tons of different vendors phones/tablets.
 
2012-09-14 10:35:48 AM

thornhill: As a Mac person, I really don't get the people who buy each new version of the iPhone. Maybe if we knew that there wouldn't be a new iPhone for at least two years I could understand wanting to have the improved functionality for that two year period (especially the LTE), but we do know that within a year there will be a better, faster iPhone.

I'm still using my 3GS that I bought in June 2009. While it's obviously no longer the hot new toy, it has served me well while the 4G and 4GS came out. But I will upgrade to the 5 because the battery is shot and performance has become sluggish.


Same here. I'm still using my 3GS, too, and it is still adequate for my needs. My phone is getting old and I'm experiencing a couple of minor glitches. My wife's 3GS is older than mine. We will be upgrading to 5 at the end of the year (giving Apple time to work out the inevitable problems). My only motivation for doing so is that I bought the 16 GB model and now that I have put my entire music library into iTunes, even putting a fraction of it into a playlist for my iPhone runs me out of memory. Luckily, I have my library in iCloud, so I can stream it to my phone, but iTunes Match does not allow you to make playlists yet.
 
2012-09-14 10:36:22 AM
I wonder if there will be a line, was there one for the 3GS? I saw there was one for the four, but when the 4S came out I was able to walk in to the apple store, relatively quiet at 10 in the morning and pick up one up on opening day no fuss, in and out in 10 minutes. I wonder if there's some kind of psychology of Numbers without an S attached to them.

Would love to know more about the Nokia 920 as a camera is my main requirement in smartphones, but it's a Windows phone and everything I have is Mac so that could be a problem.
 
2012-09-14 10:36:35 AM
I think of iPhones as the Rolex of phones.
You can get a cheaper phone (watch) that works just as well and maybe some cases better (Casio, Omega,Tag, etc).
Some people are willing to pay more for the excellent fit and finish of an iPhone, not to mention apps available, and firmware updates.
I'm in that group.
The resale value of iPhones is quite high so when you purchase a new phone it's really not that big of a hit.

/ haters gunna hate
 
2012-09-14 10:37:48 AM

Farking Canuck: Sad that they skipped NFC ... I personally am hoping NFC payment systems take off soon.


madgonad: 1. No NFC. - Seriously, WTF Apple!


Nobody but nerds knows or cares what "NFC" is. To the rest of the population, it means National Football Conference.
 
2012-09-14 10:39:16 AM

stiletto_the_wise: Farking Canuck: Sad that they skipped NFC ... I personally am hoping NFC payment systems take off soon.

madgonad: 1. No NFC. - Seriously, WTF Apple!

Nobody but nerds knows or cares what "NFC" is. To the rest of the population, it means National Football Conference.


True, but if you ask most people: "wouldn't you like to just be able to take out your phone and hit "ok" to pay for things instead of a using a credit or debit card" they seem to like the idea.
 
2012-09-14 10:39:39 AM
My experience with android and iOS phones in general is that android is more capable, less polished and slightly less stable and while iOS is surely polished and stable it seems to want to force you into doing things one way and if that's not intuitive for you then forget it. I like the hardware on the iphone and 'feel' of iOS but sometimes it annoys me and there is nothing I can do about it. So basically it's very understandable why anyone would be firmly in one camp.


As an aside:

Dear apple,

Copying text and saving e-mail attachments are not add on features and buying an app to accomplish them is a giant middle finger to the user. If you make them standard features on the iPhone 5 I won't be screaming in rage when my company upgrades my 4s.

Sincerely

Egoy3k
 
2012-09-14 10:40:48 AM

Zizzowop: Blind love for what? I agree with most of what you're saying, doesn't make me an Apple hater. I use a PC, a MAC, I have an iPod, Archos, and whatever else does things I like.


You're the one who felt the need to attack Apple haters. Calling us a cult when the hate is well earned.

You are implying it is some form of 'group think' when, in reality, it is a common response to offensive practices by a corporation.
 
2012-09-14 10:40:54 AM

LasersHurt: madgonad: There are actually some problems with the iPhone5 that are getting a little bit of coverage, though generally being drowned out by the hype.

1. No NFC. - Seriously, WTF Apple!
2. No simultaneous voice and data on CDMA carriers. Every LTE Android phone can do it, but Apple chose to reduce the number of antennas to get the device thinner and that eliminated this function. Since Verizon is throwing in free mobile Hotspot in their plans, it is going to suck that the data connection will drop when a phone call comes in.
3. The didn't plan to support the future LTE frequencies - specifically Vodaphones 4G LTE networks in the UK and beyond. They are being deployed right now and will be turned on in 1Q13. If you are a global roamer and use data, the iPhone 5 will be outdated at launch. Android LTE global devices have been ready for this rollout since 2011.

1. NFC is really new. It's a cool tech, but there's very little infrastructure for it. That said, that infrastructure is going to blow up over the next year, but it's a gamble they've made for better or worse. I think it will be like LTE - up front, honestly, it's not ubiquitous enough to sweat it. By the time it's everywhere, you get a new device out. A little late to the game, but not much worse for the wear.

2. They did not remove the antenna for thinness, they use the dual antennas for boosting and providing reliability to the primary connection. Still not sure it was the right move, I really like talking and using data on AT&T.

3. These turn out every year. One year from now, I'll bet they've got all the frequencies ready. Again, it's a bit of a lag, but that seems to be their safety practice these days.


NFC is popping up all over. This article explains why they deliberately gimped their own phone by removing antennas to allow a thinner device. Frequencies are known years in advance. All the manufactures knew about the new frequencies over a year ago. Android phones being released almost immediately supported them. Over a year goes by and Apple launches a device that doesn't. Seriously, it is like deliberately crippling a product so that it will be quickly outdated and the customer will have to buy another $650 device when only half way through their contract.

If this is Apple without Jobs, now is the time to sell your shares.
 
2012-09-14 10:41:36 AM

Huggermugger: Jackson Herring: St_Francis_P: Jackson Herring: St_Francis_P: Does that really mean anything? A certain number of people will want it no matter what.

Does that really mean anything? A certain number of people will be "disappointed" no matter what.

I think we're agreeing, but I'm not sure.

Me neither.

You're both wrong.


Nuh-uh!
 
2012-09-14 10:42:08 AM
Does the deplorable shait at Foxconn mean nothing to these people?
 
2012-09-14 10:43:42 AM

my alt's alt's alt: i used to work for apple. never owned a single one of their products. simple, uncustomizable crap for simple people who prefer to give a company money to think for them.

i worked in IT and apple users are by far the least "computer illiterate". and you should see the internal memos at apple on how they strive to keep their customer base uninformed and uneducated about their products...


not sure what "phone as a tool" has to do with "it sucks if you can't customize it", is that how all tools are looked at?
 
2012-09-14 10:43:43 AM

Tat'dGreaser: I'll never understand people who buy brand new technology before it has a chance to get all the bugs fixed


If there's a real problem, Apple will usually replace it no questions asked. The only time they haven't was the iPhone 4's antenna issue, but personally I was only ever able to replicate that by comepletely enveloping the sides of the device with boths hands.
 
2012-09-14 10:44:15 AM

stiletto_the_wise: Farking Canuck: Sad that they skipped NFC ... I personally am hoping NFC payment systems take off soon.

madgonad: 1. No NFC. - Seriously, WTF Apple!

Nobody but nerds knows or cares what "NFC" is. To the rest of the population, it means National Football Conference.


Nobody knows what LTE is either ... doesn't mean they don't want it.

Apple is choosing to not tell the iFans that they want it yet ... they'll wait to release the 5G before they inform the masses that they just invented NFC and everyone needs to upgrade to get this must-have feature.
 
2012-09-14 10:44:44 AM
Looks like the Foxconn rebrander has another hit on its hands.
 
2012-09-14 10:44:50 AM

wildstarr: Does the deplorable shait at Foxconn mean nothing to these people?


Since Foxconn assembles products for:

Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)
Apple Inc. (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Dell (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)
Intel (United States)
Microsoft (United States)
Motorola Mobility (United States)
Nintendo (Japan)
Nokia (Finland)
Samsung Electronics (South Korea)
Sony (Japan)
Toshiba (Japan)
Vizio (United States)

You won't buy many tech products if you want to avoid them completely
 
2012-09-14 10:45:02 AM
Stephen_Falken: "iSuck pic"

I thought that was the BMW owner slogan.
 
2012-09-14 10:45:43 AM

Carth: You're a lawyer studying for the bar? That one alone is a few hundred dollars.



It's about 3 months from the time you start studying till the exam. After that you won't need the app so it really shouldn't factor into any "sunk cost" calculations iPhone users would make regarding app purchases.
 
2012-09-14 10:46:01 AM

biyaaatci: my alt's alt's alt: i used to work for apple. never owned a single one of their products. simple, uncustomizable crap for simple people who prefer to give a company money to think for them.

i worked in IT and apple users are by far the least "computer illiterate". and you should see the internal memos at apple on how they strive to keep their customer base uninformed and uneducated about their products...


if you worked in IT you would know that apple users use the phrase "i'm not very computer illiterate" quite often to describe and thoroughly prove their iOblivion.
 
2012-09-14 10:46:07 AM

wildstarr: Does the deplorable shait at Foxconn mean nothing to these people?


all smartphones have blood on them, in case you're wondering
 
2012-09-14 10:47:31 AM

Mawson of the Antarctic: I wonder if there's some kind of psychology of Numbers without an S attached to them.


This is a bigger change (bigger screen) than going from 4 to 4S - or even from 3gs to 4 for that matter. I'll be moving from my 3gs to a 5 next month.

I'm not buying it because I think it's the most advanced, cutting edge phone. I'm buying it because it's the reliable standard. Yup, the iPhone has become the Blackberry'esque boring option for old people who just want their hand computer to work.
 
2012-09-14 10:47:40 AM

magic_patch: I just bought an S3. My first 'proper' smartphone after years of corporate Blackberries. It's pretty awesome and, as somebody said earlier, aligns well with my Google-ised life. Wife has had iPhones since they first came out.

I'd say that, more or less, they S3 and iPhone 4S (as my comparison) are identical in most respects to the average user.

iPhone is better at: Managing music, Samsung's iTunes equivalent sucks ass
S3 is better at: Video (bigger screen) and plugging anything in to it - I have an adapter that lets me mount a regular SD card externally and view the files in a folder. Also, the S3 comes with a free 50Gb Dropbox account (or boost to an existing account).

I got the S3 for the external storage, YMMV. I don't get the fanboy-isms - they are both incredible devices that ten years ago would have been almost incomprehensible. They're like...magic, man.


Lucky with android phones you are not limited to a single music player. There are some good ones out there, but Samsung using MTP for syncing is really annoying. The only solution I've found that works 100% is iSyncr which, ironically enough, ties me to iTunes. For some reason mediamonkey doesn't play nicely with it.
 
2012-09-14 10:47:40 AM

Farking Canuck: swaxhog: I also don't balk at paying $1.99 for an app I may use for a week and beat it or move on to something else.

But this library of $2 apps that you don't use anymore will stop you from changing platforms?

/that was the original argument


No, I replying to the reply of the original argument about how anyone could spend $100 on apps when mr. braggy only spent $10 over 18 months.

As well as ones I may not use - sort of like buying a DVD and then putting it on the shelf instead of the trash I have plenty of apps I wouldn't want to lose or re-buy . One alone, Pinball Arcade, I'll probably sink $50+ dollars in over the next year. Over 3 years, one can build up a nice library of useful shiat one that when comparing to jump from one platform to another has to factor into what it will cost you. There now I've brought it back to the original argument.
 
2012-09-14 10:48:52 AM

The Bestest: LasersHurt: madgonad: There are actually some problems with the iPhone5 that are getting a little bit of coverage, though generally being drowned out by the hype.

1. No NFC. - Seriously, WTF Apple!
2. No simultaneous voice and data on CDMA carriers. Every LTE Android phone can do it, but Apple chose to reduce the number of antennas to get the device thinner and that eliminated this function. Since Verizon is throwing in free mobile Hotspot in their plans, it is going to suck that the data connection will drop when a phone call comes in.
3. The didn't plan to support the future LTE frequencies - specifically Vodaphones 4G LTE networks in the UK and beyond. They are being deployed right now and will be turned on in 1Q13. If you are a global roamer and use data, the iPhone 5 will be outdated at launch. Android LTE global devices have been ready for this rollout since 2011.

1. NFC is really new. It's a cool tech, but there's very little infrastructure for it. That said, that infrastructure is going to blow up over the next year, but it's a gamble they've made for better or worse. I think it will be like LTE - up front, honestly, it's not ubiquitous enough to sweat it. By the time it's everywhere, you get a new device out. A little late to the game, but not much worse for the wear.

2. They did not remove the antenna for thinness, they use the dual antennas for boosting and providing reliability to the primary connection. Still not sure it was the right move, I really like talking and using data on AT&T.

3. These turn out every year. One year from now, I'll bet they've got all the frequencies ready. Again, it's a bit of a lag, but that seems to be their safety practice these days.

This just kinda highlights the notion that Apple used to innovate and now they're just playing catch-up, no?


It depends. On a yearly cycle, does being 6 months off hurt that much?
 
2012-09-14 10:49:05 AM

Farking Canuck: Zizzowop: Blind love for what? I agree with most of what you're saying, doesn't make me an Apple hater. I use a PC, a MAC, I have an iPod, Archos, and whatever else does things I like.

You're the one who felt the need to attack Apple haters. Calling us a cult when the hate is well earned.

You are implying it is some form of 'group think' when, in reality, it is a common response to offensive practices by a corporation.


"You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it's going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kinds of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt." -always good to bust out this quote, good for haters and fanboys of anything. Thank you Robert M. Pirsig.
 
2012-09-14 10:52:50 AM
In other news, Apple's control over their fans is still strong. I love tech gadgets too, but only a brand-loyalty lemming goes out and pays too much for a marginally better version of something they already bought a few months ago, then sells the "old" gadget for a minimum 50% loss.
 
2012-09-14 10:53:03 AM

NowhereMon: Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do? What exactly? I can find more games and apps than I can ever use. And hell, Android, SD card, I can pretty much use anything I want on it which I find that Apple seems to frown on. This would annoy me often.

I just don't get it, I guess.

Right now I have an Android for myself. A Galaxy SII. It's a decent phone, takes good pictures and was relatively inexpensive. Compared to an iPhone it is a bit rough around the edges: my biggest gripe is the lack of OS support, I was finally able to upgrade to ICS more than a year after it was initially released, and I seriously doubt I will ever get another upgrade. Some of the changes that Samsung was forced to make because of the patent war made the phone less good in many subtle and intangible ways. I really like how effortlessly it ties into my googleized life, I love mobile chrome and I love swiftkey. It is not as polished as iOS by a long shot, it behaves unpredictably at times, and in many ways it feels like a work in process. Oh yeah, and the bloatware from ATT is just obnoxious.


Upgrading to icecream sandwich probably caused most of your issues.

iPhones get the bloatware, too.

I used to use iOS and switched to the Galaxy SII and actually feel that the OS seems much more polished there than it ever did on my old iPhone but then again, it still amuses me that the iPhone interface is just a bunch of icons.
 
2012-09-14 10:54:47 AM

Stephen_Falken: [thinkoutsidetheboxtoday.com image 500x377]


Can't afford Apple products, huh?

Snarky Acronym: I think of iPhones as the Rolex of phones.
You can get a cheaper phone (watch) that works just as well and maybe some cases better (Casio, Omega,Tag, etc).
Some people are willing to pay more for the excellent fit and finish of an iPhone, not to mention apps available, and firmware updates.
I'm in that group.
The resale value of iPhones is quite high so when you purchase a new phone it's really not that big of a hit.

/ haters gunna hate


And, let's not forget that Apple has what I consider to be the best customer service available. Once, I forgot to take my iPhone out the pocket of my shorts. Stupid me decided to do a load of laundry and got it going before beginning to wonder where my phone was. Yup, it was in the final spin cycle. So off I go to the Apple store to buy a new phone. I told the salesman what happened and he told me had it just been a drop in the toilet, they could have salvaged the phone; they had the necessary equipment in the back. But, because of the detergent, this wasn't possible. But no worries. I was offered a replacement phone for $80. I thought I'd get a refurbished phone, but the salesman popped open a new phone, inserted my SIM and connected it to his Mac. Apple downloaded all my apps and settings to the new phone and I was on my way. The only other thing I had to do was sync up with my Mac at home to reload my iTunes playlists.
 
2012-09-14 10:55:49 AM

Jackson Herring: St_Francis_P: Does that really mean anything? A certain number of people will want it no matter what.

Does that really mean anything? A certain number of people will be "disappointed" no matter what.


Apple could invent a tricorder and a few farkers will still hate it.
 
2012-09-14 10:56:44 AM
Honestly, I think the return to the aluminum back is what I'm looking forward to more than anything else.
 
2012-09-14 10:57:50 AM
Is there an Android app that will cause people to envy my non iPhone?
 
2012-09-14 11:00:15 AM

LasersHurt: It depends. On a yearly cycle, does being 6 months off hurt that much?


Not what I'm getting at.
In the numerous patent suit threads, a constant pro-Apple argument was that the first couple of iPhone iterations introduced new features that everyone else began copying after. The iPhone 5 offers nothing new (unless you're counting the "Lightning" port) and actually lacks features that are becoming standard.
 
2012-09-14 11:00:55 AM

Surpheon: Yup, the iPhone has become the Blackberry'esque boring option for old people who just want their hand computer to work.


Honest question: do you believe that Android or Windows 'hand computers' don't 'just work'?
 
2012-09-14 11:00:55 AM
if apple painted a turd white, called it the iTurd, and put a $300 label on it, there are enough fanboys out there, that it would "sell out in less than an hour at apple"
 
2012-09-14 11:01:01 AM

wildstarr: Does the deplorable shait at Foxconn mean nothing to these people?


No, because if they own any mobile device, they've supported it. The only way around that stuff is to be a complete luddite.

Since you're here, I assume you don't have enough of a problem with the Foxconn reports to not buy shiat manufactured by them.
 
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