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2012-09-14 08:36:18 AM
Does that really mean anything? A certain number of people will want it no matter what.
 
2012-09-14 08:59:24 AM

St_Francis_P: Does that really mean anything? A certain number of people will want it no matter what.


Does that really mean anything? A certain number of people will be "disappointed" no matter what.
 
2012-09-14 09:01:20 AM

Jackson Herring: St_Francis_P: Does that really mean anything? A certain number of people will want it no matter what.

Does that really mean anything? A certain number of people will be "disappointed" no matter what.


I think we're agreeing, but I'm not sure.
 
2012-09-14 09:19:48 AM
I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do? What exactly? I can find more games and apps than I can ever use. And hell, Android, SD card, I can pretty much use anything I want on it which I find that Apple seems to frown on. This would annoy me often.

I just don't get it, I guess.
 
2012-09-14 09:28:37 AM

St_Francis_P: Jackson Herring: St_Francis_P: Does that really mean anything? A certain number of people will want it no matter what.

Does that really mean anything? A certain number of people will be "disappointed" no matter what.

I think we're agreeing, but I'm not sure.


Me neither.
 
2012-09-14 09:29:47 AM
That's funny, I placed an order for one for my wife like 2 minutes ago.
 
2012-09-14 09:39:26 AM

Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do? What exactly? I can find more games and apps than I can ever use. And hell, Android, SD card, I can pretty much use anything I want on it which I find that Apple seems to frown on. This would annoy me often.

I just don't get it, I guess.


Right now I have an Android for myself. A Galaxy SII. It's a decent phone, takes good pictures and was relatively inexpensive. Compared to an iPhone it is a bit rough around the edges: my biggest gripe is the lack of OS support, I was finally able to upgrade to ICS more than a year after it was initially released, and I seriously doubt I will ever get another upgrade. Some of the changes that Samsung was forced to make because of the patent war made the phone less good in many subtle and intangible ways. I really like how effortlessly it ties into my googleized life, I love mobile chrome and I love swiftkey. It is not as polished as iOS by a long shot, it behaves unpredictably at times, and in many ways it feels like a work in process. Oh yeah, and the bloatware from ATT is just obnoxious.
 
2012-09-14 09:49:32 AM
I'm due for an upgrade in November. I'll probably get the 5 then. I currently have a Galaxy S. No one I know with a 4 or 4S plans to upgrade except for the fankids, though.
 
2012-09-14 09:50:54 AM
The cult of Apple. They'll buy anything new Apple puts out, even if it's a dog turd with a red bow on it.
 
2012-09-14 09:51:52 AM

Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do? What exactly? I can find more games and apps than I can ever use. And hell, Android, SD card, I can pretty much use anything I want on it which I find that Apple seems to frown on. This would annoy me often.

I just don't get it, I guess.


run apps you've already purchased for either your previous iphone or ipad. Once someone spends a few hundred dollars in apps they are less likely to jump to another platform. It was pretty brilliant for both apple and android to lock people into their phones in that way.
 
2012-09-14 09:52:47 AM
Doesn't sound like they put the chip in the new connector that would block out 3rd party manufacturers. Can anyone confirm this?

Sad that they skipped NFC ... I personally am hoping NFC payment systems take off soon.
 
2012-09-14 09:53:12 AM
I would totally buy a Nokia Lumia 920 over this thing, but there are so many apps that I deem important that are missing from the Windows phone.
 
2012-09-14 09:53:21 AM

Walker: The cult of Apple. They'll buy anything new Apple puts out, even if it's a dog turd with a red bow on it.


Can I pre-order that?
 
2012-09-14 09:54:05 AM
I've been kind of eyeing up the Iphone of a coworker, and I'm not sure that it does much that my Motorola Triumph doesn't.
 
2012-09-14 09:54:08 AM

Carth: Once someone spends a few hundred dollars in apps they are less likely to jump to another platform.


How the f*ck do you spend "a few hundred dollars" on apps?

My total spend on apps with my Android phone of 18 months is about $10.
 
2012-09-14 09:54:47 AM
www.thetelecomblog.com
 
2012-09-14 09:54:55 AM

Bob Down: Can I pre-order that?


The bow will run you an extra $99. It's a small price to pay for streamlined styling.
 
2012-09-14 09:55:41 AM

susansto-helit: I'm due for an upgrade in November. I'll probably get the 5 then. I currently have a Galaxy S. No one I know with a 4 or 4S plans to upgrade except for the fankids, though.


If I did buy one, I'd have to buy two extra chargers and a new hard case to start. Thanks, Apple, for introducing another non-standard connector.
 
2012-09-14 09:56:27 AM
Hee hee. I still have my 5th generation iPod. Apple doesn't really support it anymore, luckily I don't use their firmware so it doesn't matter.

I have to say though, I've got an Android phone and I know quite a few people who have the iPhone 4s. They come to me when they want to see a menu from a restaurant that (for some stupid reason) has done it all in flash.

Of course, now that Android's abandoned flash updates, I'll be about as useful as an iPhone owner in a couple of years.
 
2012-09-14 09:56:30 AM

St_Francis_P: Does that really mean anything? A certain number of people will want it no matter what.


It's an iProduct, there are people who would buy it no matter what.

Me? I got my new Droid Razr a few months ago and am quite happy. The only iProduct I have is an iPad 2, and that's because I got a good deal on it and the market for Android tablets at the time was pretty lousy.
 
2012-09-14 09:56:32 AM
iPhone pre-orders ALWAYS sell out.

They wouldn't be magical and unique if anyone could pre-order them.

/there will be long lines at apple stores
//people will be worried there aren't enough
///hundreds of people will leave the same store believing they got the last one.
////Thus goes the circlejerk.
 
2012-09-14 09:56:35 AM

NowhereMon: It is not as polished as iOS by a long shot, it behaves unpredictably at times, and in many ways it feels like a work in process. Oh yeah, and the bloatware from ATT is just obnoxious.


Bloatware is a carrier issue ... complain to them.

iPhones are far from perfectly stable. A coworker of mine has had her iPhone wipe twice and was unable to restore from the iTunes backup.

/my anecdotes are just as valid as yours
 
2012-09-14 09:56:51 AM

Flakeloaf: [www.thetelecomblog.com image 313x237]


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-09-14 09:57:12 AM
How do you "sell out" of vaporware? It's a pre-order. You can't run out of nothing!

What a bs article. Apple has more "journalists" on its payroll that developers, I'd wager.
 
2012-09-14 09:58:19 AM

NowhereMon: Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do? What exactly? I can find more games and apps than I can ever use. And hell, Android, SD card, I can pretty much use anything I want on it which I find that Apple seems to frown on. This would annoy me often.

I just don't get it, I guess.

Right now I have an Android for myself. A Galaxy SII. It's a decent phone, takes good pictures and was relatively inexpensive. Compared to an iPhone it is a bit rough around the edges: my biggest gripe is the lack of OS support, I was finally able to upgrade to ICS more than a year after it was initially released, and I seriously doubt I will ever get another upgrade. Some of the changes that Samsung was forced to make because of the patent war made the phone less good in many subtle and intangible ways. I really like how effortlessly it ties into my googleized life, I love mobile chrome and I love swiftkey. It is not as polished as iOS by a long shot, it behaves unpredictably at times, and in many ways it feels like a work in process. Oh yeah, and the bloatware from ATT is just obnoxious.


What feature of ICS is that important that you had to have right away? Just to have the latest and greatest? ICS was slow for the S2 but it really isn't that substantial to what you already had.

What's so polished about iOS that Andriod doesn't have? I keep hearing people say that but I use my wife's S2 and my tablets and I have no issue at all with the OS. What doesn't the OS do that is so important that everyone else does it but the Andriod OS?
 
2012-09-14 09:58:23 AM

Rev.K: How the f*ck do you spend "a few hundred dollars" on apps?


you spend 5 bucks on them whenever anything remotely catches your eye because you spend less then that daily on starbucks coffee.
 
2012-09-14 09:58:27 AM

susansto-helit: I'm due for an upgrade in November. I'll probably get the 5 then. I currently have a Galaxy S. No one I know with a 4 or 4S plans to upgrade except for the fankids, though.


What has you interested in the iPhone 5 as opposed to the Galaxy S3?
 
2012-09-14 09:58:54 AM

Rev.K: Carth: Once someone spends a few hundred dollars in apps they are less likely to jump to another platform.

How the f*ck do you spend "a few hundred dollars" on apps?

My total spend on apps with my Android phone of 18 months is about $10.


You're a lawyer studying for the bar? That one alone is a few hundred dollars. If you do a lot of statistical research the apps are also very expensive. Using a table or phone for any professional purpose and the cost of applications gets expensive really quick.
 
2012-09-14 09:59:15 AM
And every black Friday there is a record setting day at the hated, evil Walmart that every person in America swears they don't shop at. What's the point subby?
 
2012-09-14 09:59:24 AM
and guess what I did with my Motorola Triumph the other day. Changed the battery. Just because I felt like it.
 
2012-09-14 09:59:35 AM

Rev.K: Carth: Once someone spends a few hundred dollars in apps they are less likely to jump to another platform.

How the f*ck do you spend "a few hundred dollars" on apps?

My total spend on apps with my Android phone of 18 months is about $10.


Android tends to have more free apps, cheaper apps when you do pay and far more advertising supported apps.
 
2012-09-14 09:59:42 AM

fluffy2097: Rev.K: How the f*ck do you spend "a few hundred dollars" on apps?

you spend 5 bucks on them whenever anything remotely catches your eye because you spend less then that daily on starbucks coffee.


or buy the $999 GPS application
 
2012-09-14 09:59:58 AM

Farking Canuck: NowhereMon: It is not as polished as iOS by a long shot, it behaves unpredictably at times, and in many ways it feels like a work in process. Oh yeah, and the bloatware from ATT is just obnoxious.

Bloatware is a carrier issue ... complain to them.

iPhones are far from perfectly stable. A coworker of mine has had her iPhone wipe twice and was unable to restore from the iTunes backup.

/my anecdotes are just as valid as yours


I know I know, I could easily come of with a list of things that bug me about iPhones. I was actually thinking that if I were to buy a phone today, I'd probably go for the unlocked Nexus right from Google.
 
2012-09-14 10:00:06 AM

Walker: The cult of Apple. They'll buy anything new Apple puts out, even if it's a dog turd with a red bow on it.


Chevrolet makes iPhones now?

/low hanging fruit
 
2012-09-14 10:01:11 AM
Meaningless. Pre-orders are sight unseen. Doesn't make any difference how the product turns out. It could be a brick with Jobs' picture on it and the pre-orders would still "sell out".
 
2012-09-14 10:01:47 AM

H31N0US: How do you "sell out" of vaporware? It's a pre-order. You can't run out of nothing!

What a bs article. Apple has more "journalists" on its payroll that developers, I'd wager.


Amazon "sold out" of kindle preorders as well. The current shipping date is about a month after they are released
 
2012-09-14 10:02:20 AM

Carth: You're a lawyer studying for the bar? That one alone is a few hundred dollars. If you do a lot of statistical research the apps are also very expensive. Using a table or phone for any professional purpose and the cost of applications gets expensive really quick.


Fair enough. I know there are expensive apps out there, but your two example groups there are a pretty small portion of the app market population.

It would be interesting to see what the average spend is. I'm sure Apple has the data.
 
2012-09-14 10:02:36 AM
Meh. I ordered one for the wife last night, as her 3gs is getting pretty long in the tooth. If I like it, I'll steal it from her, and she can have my 4.
 
2012-09-14 10:02:59 AM
I don't think there was ever any doubt that Apple would sell a bunch of these.
Still does not make it a cutting edge phone.
 
kab
2012-09-14 10:03:08 AM
I guess the 99% isn't as cash strapped as they claim to be. Huh.
 
2012-09-14 10:03:34 AM
Lets play a game called 'see if you can figure out who in this thread is posting via an iGadget'. Its ever so much fun.
 
2012-09-14 10:03:42 AM
foolery.typepad.com
Ran over it twice with my scooter and it STILL works!
I ain't upgrading to that newfangled crapple crap! 
 
2012-09-14 10:03:51 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: or buy the $999 GPS application


Oh wow. I bought GPS software and a GPS receiver and a computer to run it on for less then that.

/P.T. Barnum's spirit is clearly alive and well.
//A fool and his money are soon parted.
 
2012-09-14 10:04:04 AM

Bob Down: Walker: The cult of Apple. They'll buy anything new Apple puts out, even if it's a dog turd with a red bow on it.

Can I pre-order that?


I'm going to wait for iTurdBow 2GS, it has a limited edition white bow and has twice as many GS's as the iTurdBow., no flash support

/Blackberry Torch
//Microsoft Zune
///off my lawn
 
2012-09-14 10:04:34 AM
Got one of the pre-orders and the wife is happy. With the gazelle.com trade-in on her iPhone 4, we're only spending about $60 to upgrade. Worth it for the LTE.

I'm sticking with my Galaxy S3.
 
2012-09-14 10:05:02 AM
As was pointed out during the announcement thread the other day, the people who bought the 3G or the 4 are reaching the end of their contracts and it's time to upgrade. There are also a number of Apple fans who would buy anything the company releases because they want to show how hip and cutting edge they are by their conformity.

Long after Apple is no longer considered cool or cutting edge, they'll be selling a gazillion products. They're really good at marketing and they know how to capitalize on the masses. To put it in marketing terms, to date, their strategy has been to focus on the early adopters and the early majority. Now, they're going to start getting more purchases from the late majority and the laggards, and those are the same sorts of people who wait to buy an Xbox 360 the same year that the next one is set to debut. They're not particularly up on things, and they wait for the price to be right.

Make no mistake about it, though -- Apple demonstrated this week what the course is going to be in a post-Steve Jobs world. The presentation felt like a grotesque parody of the past, and the lack of new ideas revealed that the iPhone has reached a point where it's playing catch-up to the competition rather than leading the way.

Likewise, the amount of time spent talking about the iPod (in a day and age in which dedicated MP3 players are on their way out) reveals that Apple is shifting its focus away from the market it's captured and towards the people who still haven't bought into this newfangled gadget craze.
 
2012-09-14 10:05:45 AM
Apple's scurrilous patent war to monopolize the market is offensive. I hope Samsung comes up with something so awesome Apple suffers quick financial death. Their real objective is to kill Android O.S. Google won't take that lying down but if they collect enough precedent it will be a done deal.

In conclusion Apple sucks Satans wang and anyone who uses IOS is evil.
 
2012-09-14 10:05:48 AM

kendelrio: Walker: The cult of Apple. They'll buy anything new Apple puts out, even if it's a dog turd with a red bow on it.

Chevrolet makes iPhones now?

/low hanging fruit


The cult of Apple haters, they will buy anything but Apple no matter what.
 
2012-09-14 10:05:51 AM

fluffy2097: Jon iz teh kewl: or buy the $999 GPS application

Oh wow. I bought GPS software and a GPS receiver and a computer to run it on for less then that.

/P.T. Barnum's spirit is clearly alive and well.
//A fool and his money are soon parted.


considering the fact that it COMES with built in GPS
 
2012-09-14 10:05:53 AM

fluffy2097: Jon iz teh kewl: or buy the $999 GPS application

Oh wow. I bought GPS software and a GPS receiver and a computer to run it on for less then that.

/P.T. Barnum's spirit is clearly alive and well.
//A fool and his money are soon parted



help me out. Is that a joke? If not, what does $999 buy you on an Iphone, GPS wise?
 
2012-09-14 10:06:30 AM

Rev.K: Carth: Once someone spends a few hundred dollars in apps they are less likely to jump to another platform.

How the f*ck do you spend "a few hundred dollars" on apps?

My total spend on apps with my Android phone of 18 months is about $10.


This is why a lot of app developers have given up on the Android market place. Too many different handsets / OS versions to support and the actual sales don't make up fo the effort.
 
2012-09-14 10:06:38 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I don't think there was ever any doubt that Apple would sell a bunch of these.
Still does not make it a cutting edge phone.


This. Reading about it on my RAZR MAXX and hearing the list of features, my thought was "that's it?" Really Apple. Eight hours of LTE roaming. I get +20. And a non-standard connector AGAIN to boot.
 
2012-09-14 10:07:29 AM
Polaroid used to pull the same shiat, every year a "new and improved" model came out that folks just had to have.
www.geardiary.com
 
2012-09-14 10:08:02 AM
I primarily use my phone for internet, which my Windows Phone kicks ass at. But if i could only get a droid phone with a stable browser app (that doesn't force close randomly, or forget what page i was JUST on when i leave the app to check something else) I'd totally switch back. The lack of apps on Windows Phone has been frustrating. Though, they are catching up very very slowly.
 
2012-09-14 10:08:10 AM

Jackson Herring: St_Francis_P: Jackson Herring: St_Francis_P: Does that really mean anything? A certain number of people will want it no matter what.

Does that really mean anything? A certain number of people will be "disappointed" no matter what.

I think we're agreeing, but I'm not sure.

Me neither.


You're both wrong.
 
2012-09-14 10:08:30 AM

simon_bar_sinister: I hope Samsung comes up with something so awesome Apple suffers quick financial death.


Like owning patents on LTE and filing a lawsuit against apple to bar the iPhone 5 from entering the US for infringing on those LTE patents? They already did that.
 
2012-09-14 10:08:36 AM
www.aboyandhiscomputer.com
 
2012-09-14 10:09:45 AM

Rev.K: Carth: You're a lawyer studying for the bar? That one alone is a few hundred dollars. If you do a lot of statistical research the apps are also very expensive. Using a table or phone for any professional purpose and the cost of applications gets expensive really quick.

Fair enough. I know there are expensive apps out there, but your two example groups there are a pretty small portion of the app market population.

It would be interesting to see what the average spend is. I'm sure Apple has the data.


i was really curious about that a few months ago. The data out there isn't great but iOS users tend to spend more on games but the majority of people don't spend anything on apps. This says the people who do spend money on apps normally spend about 7.50 a month. So while not a lot still about $150 over a two year contract.
 
2012-09-14 10:09:46 AM

fireclown: help me out. Is that a joke? If not, what does $999 buy you on an Iphone, GPS wise?


The joke is someone paid $999 for a GPS app.

I've bought a whole computer, a GPS program, and a GPS antenna for less then that.

$999 on an iPhone buys you a a giant sucker sign.
 
2012-09-14 10:09:47 AM
And Apple stock is hitting a new high again today. The stock is better than the phone.
 
2012-09-14 10:09:58 AM

Zizzowop: The cult of Apple haters, they will buy anything but Apple no matter what.


untrue. I own an Ipod. I'd like to buy another someday, but they've done away with the scroll wheel.
 
2012-09-14 10:10:39 AM

NowhereMon: I was actually thinking that if I were to buy a phone today, I'd probably go for the unlocked Nexus right from Google.


Personally I think I will do this as well in future. I love my Galaxy S2 LTE though so it won't be soon. LTE rocks if you can get it ... about a 7.5x speed increase for me. I had the Nexus One and that was a great experience until the power button failed (known issue with that model).

But going for the Nexus line gets around most of the issues that most people complain about: delay in updates, carrier bloatware, and unnecessary interface skins (offer them as an option if you want but don't force them on us (especially when they cause the delay in the upgrade)).

I just bought the Nexus 7 tablet and it is great. Although the down-side of having the first Jelly Bean device is that not all the apps are updated for this version yet.
 
2012-09-14 10:12:04 AM

fireclown: Zizzowop: The cult of Apple haters, they will buy anything but Apple no matter what.

untrue. I own an Ipod. I'd like to buy another someday, but they've done away with the scroll wheel.


Maybe there's an app for that :)
 
2012-09-14 10:12:53 AM
Apple has always understocked their iPhone inventory, just so they get the free advertising of back-ordered iPhone stories, same story different phone.
 
2012-09-14 10:13:23 AM

fluffy2097: $999 on an iPhone buys you a a giant sucker sign.


Heck, the Iphone gets you the sucker sign. I did run across this though. I don't think it's a joke. 10 most expensive Iphone apps for 2010
 
2012-09-14 10:13:45 AM
what secularsage said.
 
2012-09-14 10:14:35 AM

Tom_Slick: Apple has always understocked their iPhone inventory, just so they get the free advertising of back-ordered iPhone stories, same story different phone.


Plus people naturally want something when told they can't have it.
 
2012-09-14 10:14:36 AM
Dude in the office was just bragging about waking up at 2 a.m. to preorder that stupid phone.
He's already got the last iPhone that came out.

I hope he really is disappointed simply because he went on and on about it even though I expressed zero
interest in anything he has to say.
 
2012-09-14 10:14:43 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: or buy the $999 GPS application


What the fark? My Galaxy Nexus has Google Maps Navigation Beta built in for free.
 
2012-09-14 10:15:14 AM
"Zach Epstein is the Executive Editor Troll of BGR. He has 10 years of industry unimportant experience, first in marketing and business development with two private Telcos, where he was a dismal failure and then as a "writer" (snicker) and idiot, spewing bullshiat about business, technology and telecommunications."

FTFH
 
2012-09-14 10:16:36 AM
Rumour: iPhone 6 will not contain an actual cell phone feature (ie. you won't be able to make an actual call on it).
 
2012-09-14 10:16:39 AM
it's a bigger step up than the 4 to 4S was, and the 4S sold a lot of phones, despite many 3GS users not upgrading to 'em

so my prediction is that 3GS users will upgrade, 4S users will keep their 4S's, people without smartphones will buy entry-level 4S's, and apple's stock will go above $700
 
2012-09-14 10:16:56 AM
I'm still content with my EVO.

My buddy finally got an iPhone and said he misses his Droid.
 
2012-09-14 10:17:53 AM

Nick Nostril: Rumour: iPhone 6 will not contain an actual cell phone feature (ie. you won't be able to make an actual call on it).


That would actually be a big step in the right direction. I hate having to pay for voice minutes I never use. I use text messaging and data far more often. The few times I actually needed to talk to someone skype is fine.
 
2012-09-14 10:17:59 AM
I'll never understand people who buy brand new technology before it has a chance to get all the bugs fixed
 
2012-09-14 10:18:15 AM
I actually just went to pre-order one for my girl (her Incredible was anything BUT) and they're telling me either I have to ditch the Unlimited Data Plan and pay monthly for data by the GB or pay full farking price for an iPhone at a retailer. And she's eligible for an upgrade too.
WTF?
 
2012-09-14 10:18:56 AM
There are actually some problems with the iPhone5 that are getting a little bit of coverage, though generally being drowned out by the hype.

1. No NFC. - Seriously, WTF Apple!
2. No simultaneous voice and data on CDMA carriers. Every LTE Android phone can do it, but Apple chose to reduce the number of antennas to get the device thinner and that eliminated this function. Since Verizon is throwing in free mobile Hotspot in their plans, it is going to suck that the data connection will drop when a phone call comes in.
3. The didn't plan to support the future LTE frequencies - specifically Vodaphones 4G LTE networks in the UK and beyond. They are being deployed right now and will be turned on in 1Q13. If you are a global roamer and use data, the iPhone 5 will be outdated at launch. Android LTE global devices have been ready for this rollout since 2011.
 
2012-09-14 10:19:02 AM

Rev.K: Carth: Once someone spends a few hundred dollars in apps they are less likely to jump to another platform.

How the f*ck do you spend "a few hundred dollars" on apps?

My total spend on apps with my Android phone of 18 months is about $10.



I had an iPhone 3G and then got an HTC EVO 4G. I have around $15 in apps on both. Maybe $20. Not enough to tie me to either platform.

I just switched my wife over to a Samsung Galaxy S3 from her old iPhone 4. Her biggest problem has been the songs she'd bought through iTunes directly on her phone and are now gone. There may be a way to re-download them through iTunes and then strip them of DRM if they have any and then load them on the new phone but.... it's probably as easy or easier just to "pirate" the shiat she already bought and use that. Which is the option I went with.
 
2012-09-14 10:19:04 AM
The new iThing. It makes the one you just bought look like a piece of shiat. Why do you still have that thing you paid $500 for? Give us $500 more so you can feel better about your purchasing prowess.
 
2012-09-14 10:19:24 AM

Tat'dGreaser: I'll never understand people who buy brand new technology before it has a chance to get all the bugs fixed


But it's new and shiny.
 
2012-09-14 10:19:25 AM
I've owned Apple products and phones since the second generation iPhone. I'm completely happy with their quality, and don't see a compelling reason to change to something else.
 
2012-09-14 10:19:44 AM

Zizzowop: The cult of Apple haters, they will buy anything but Apple no matter what.


This is true for me but I contend that my hate is completely justified by Apple's choices and their policy of "our way is the only way".

Apple gives you no choice in: phone design (one size, no keyboard, etc.), the interface program you use (iTunes only), the store you use (App store only). Their attempts to control how I use my phone is offensive ... hence the hate.

Justified hate is different from blind hate. That may be difficult to recognize through your blind love.
 
2012-09-14 10:20:07 AM
i used to work for apple. never owned a single one of their products. simple, uncustomizable crap for simple people who prefer to give a company money to think for them.

i worked in IT and apple users are by far the least "computer illiterate". and you should see the internal memos at apple on how they strive to keep their customer base uninformed and uneducated about their products...
 
2012-09-14 10:20:23 AM
It's inconcievable this is a publisity stunt and Apple would reduce numbers intentionally. Isn't it?

Isn't it?
 
2012-09-14 10:20:40 AM

mongbiohazard: Rev.K: Carth: Once someone spends a few hundred dollars in apps they are less likely to jump to another platform.

How the f*ck do you spend "a few hundred dollars" on apps?

My total spend on apps with my Android phone of 18 months is about $10.


I had an iPhone 3G and then got an HTC EVO 4G. I have around $15 in apps on both. Maybe $20. Not enough to tie me to either platform.

I just switched my wife over to a Samsung Galaxy S3 from her old iPhone 4. Her biggest problem has been the songs she'd bought through iTunes directly on her phone and are now gone. There may be a way to re-download them through iTunes and then strip them of DRM if they have any and then load them on the new phone but.... it's probably as easy or easier just to "pirate" the shiat she already bought and use that. Which is the option I went with.


Itunes songs don't have DRM anymore (if she bought them int he last few years). You can convert them to mp3 within iTunes and then upload them to Amazon, Google or whatever cloud music program you use.
 
2012-09-14 10:20:48 AM
Preorders of my bronzed dog turds sold out immediately.

A lack of supply is not necessarily indicative of demand.
 
2012-09-14 10:20:58 AM
*c not s
 
2012-09-14 10:22:33 AM
I've been pretty happy with my 4s, no plans to upgrade in the near future.
 
2012-09-14 10:23:08 AM

am_svperstar: I actually just went to pre-order one for my girl (her Incredible was anything BUT) and they're telling me either I have to ditch the Unlimited Data Plan and pay monthly for data by the GB or pay full farking price for an iPhone at a retailer. And she's eligible for an upgrade too.
WTF?


Both AT&T and Verizon changed to "multiple devices sharing a metered data pool, but hey, unlimited voice!" plans for anyone getting a new contract.
 
2012-09-14 10:23:28 AM
Apple: Let's make it longer and get rid of the now-standard-on-everything plug we've been using for 10 years!
Apple product fans: TAKE MY MONEY! AND TAKE MORE SO I CAN HAVE A NEW DOCK THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH IT!

You could stamp the apple logo on a dog turd and apple fans would be throwing their money at there local apple store employees to get their hands on it.
 
2012-09-14 10:24:11 AM
had my galaxy s3 for a few months now... and absolutely love it.
 
2012-09-14 10:24:12 AM

my alt's alt's alt: i used to work for apple. never owned a single one of their products. simple, uncustomizable crap for simple people who prefer to give a company money to think for them.

i worked in IT and apple users are by far the least "computer illiterate". and you should see the internal memos at apple on how they strive to keep their customer base uninformed and uneducated about their products...

 
2012-09-14 10:25:18 AM

Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do? What exactly? I can find more games and apps than I can ever use. And hell, Android, SD card, I can pretty much use anything I want on it which I find that Apple seems to frown on. This would annoy me often.

I just don't get it, I guess.


You sound concerned.
 
2012-09-14 10:25:26 AM

madgonad: There are actually some problems with the iPhone5 that are getting a little bit of coverage, though generally being drowned out by the hype.

1. No NFC. - Seriously, WTF Apple!
2. No simultaneous voice and data on CDMA carriers. Every LTE Android phone can do it, but Apple chose to reduce the number of antennas to get the device thinner and that eliminated this function. Since Verizon is throwing in free mobile Hotspot in their plans, it is going to suck that the data connection will drop when a phone call comes in.
3. The didn't plan to support the future LTE frequencies - specifically Vodaphones 4G LTE networks in the UK and beyond. They are being deployed right now and will be turned on in 1Q13. If you are a global roamer and use data, the iPhone 5 will be outdated at launch. Android LTE global devices have been ready for this rollout since 2011.


1. NFC is really new. It's a cool tech, but there's very little infrastructure for it. That said, that infrastructure is going to blow up over the next year, but it's a gamble they've made for better or worse. I think it will be like LTE - up front, honestly, it's not ubiquitous enough to sweat it. By the time it's everywhere, you get a new device out. A little late to the game, but not much worse for the wear.

2. They did not remove the antenna for thinness, they use the dual antennas for boosting and providing reliability to the primary connection. Still not sure it was the right move, I really like talking and using data on AT&T.

3. These turn out every year. One year from now, I'll bet they've got all the frequencies ready. Again, it's a bit of a lag, but that seems to be their safety practice these days.
 
2012-09-14 10:25:43 AM

Rev.K: Carth: Once someone spends a few hundred dollars in apps they are less likely to jump to another platform.

How the f*ck do you spend "a few hundred dollars" on apps?

My total spend on apps with my Android phone of 18 months is about $10.


Because there's thousands (out of hundreds of thousands) of games and applications that are extremely well done and worth paying money for. I don't have a problem paying people for the work they do and don't expect all software to be free. I also don't balk at paying $1.99 for an app I may use for a week and beat it or move on to something else.
 
2012-09-14 10:25:44 AM
Dear early adopters,

We smart consumers appreciate your zeal for being the first to buy a new model of a device. Your need to be first allows manufacturers to use you as Guinea pigs to find the bugs and fine tune their products so that the rest of us will have a satisfactory product at a lower cost. Your contribution is most valuable.
 
2012-09-14 10:26:18 AM

jaybeezey: I've been pretty happy with my 4s, no plans to upgrade in the near future.


This is pretty much what every 4s owner I know has been saying.

I'm meeting a fanboy later so it'll be interesting to see what his plans are in this respect.
 
2012-09-14 10:26:22 AM
As a Mac person, I really don't get the people who buy each new version of the iPhone. Maybe if we knew that there wouldn't be a new iPhone for at least two years I could understand wanting to have the improved functionality for that two year period (especially the LTE), but we do know that within a year there will be a better, faster iPhone.

I'm still using my 3GS that I bought in June 2009. While it's obviously no longer the hot new toy, it has served me well while the 4G and 4GS came out. But I will upgrade to the 5 because the battery is shot and performance has become sluggish.
 
2012-09-14 10:26:37 AM

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Apple: Let's make it longer and get rid of the now-standard-on-everything plug we've been using for 10 years!


I am the biggest Apple hater out there but the fact is that they had to get rid of that ancient, giant 30-pin connector. They should have joined the rest of the world at micro USB but that's Apple for you.
 
2012-09-14 10:26:51 AM

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Apple: Let's make it longer and get rid of the now-standard-on-everything plug we've been using for 10 years!
Apple product fans: TAKE MY MONEY! AND TAKE MORE SO I CAN HAVE A NEW DOCK THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH IT!

You could stamp the apple logo on a dog turd and apple fans would be throwing their money at there local apple store employees to get their hands on it.


That port had to go. It was old technology. It's silly to presume they should keep the same old thing forever.

I know it sucks for devices now because you either have to get an adapter or a new device, but hey, times change. I can't even find the dock for my old Handspring anymore.
 
2012-09-14 10:27:48 AM

LasersHurt: madgonad: There are actually some problems with the iPhone5 that are getting a little bit of coverage, though generally being drowned out by the hype.

1. No NFC. - Seriously, WTF Apple!
2. No simultaneous voice and data on CDMA carriers. Every LTE Android phone can do it, but Apple chose to reduce the number of antennas to get the device thinner and that eliminated this function. Since Verizon is throwing in free mobile Hotspot in their plans, it is going to suck that the data connection will drop when a phone call comes in.
3. The didn't plan to support the future LTE frequencies - specifically Vodaphones 4G LTE networks in the UK and beyond. They are being deployed right now and will be turned on in 1Q13. If you are a global roamer and use data, the iPhone 5 will be outdated at launch. Android LTE global devices have been ready for this rollout since 2011.

1. NFC is really new. It's a cool tech, but there's very little infrastructure for it. That said, that infrastructure is going to blow up over the next year, but it's a gamble they've made for better or worse. I think it will be like LTE - up front, honestly, it's not ubiquitous enough to sweat it. By the time it's everywhere, you get a new device out. A little late to the game, but not much worse for the wear.

2. They did not remove the antenna for thinness, they use the dual antennas for boosting and providing reliability to the primary connection. Still not sure it was the right move, I really like talking and using data on AT&T.

3. These turn out every year. One year from now, I'll bet they've got all the frequencies ready. Again, it's a bit of a lag, but that seems to be their safety practice these days.


This just kinda highlights the notion that Apple used to innovate and now they're just playing catch-up, no?
 
2012-09-14 10:28:30 AM

The Bestest: susansto-helit: I'm due for an upgrade in November. I'll probably get the 5 then. I currently have a Galaxy S. No one I know with a 4 or 4S plans to upgrade except for the fankids, though.

What has you interested in the iPhone 5 as opposed to the Galaxy S3?


For some reason I'm much more prone to dropping smartphones than I am my old cell phones. The Galaxies, though good phones, have a flimsier plastic backing on them that the iPhones don't have. The iPhone's are pretty solid. That and I have an iPad and it'll be easier to sync it up with that.
 
2012-09-14 10:28:42 AM
I just bought an S3. My first 'proper' smartphone after years of corporate Blackberries. It's pretty awesome and, as somebody said earlier, aligns well with my Google-ised life. Wife has had iPhones since they first came out.

I'd say that, more or less, they S3 and iPhone 4S (as my comparison) are identical in most respects to the average user.

iPhone is better at: Managing music, Samsung's iTunes equivalent sucks ass
S3 is better at: Video (bigger screen) and plugging anything in to it - I have an adapter that lets me mount a regular SD card externally and view the files in a folder. Also, the S3 comes with a free 50Gb Dropbox account (or boost to an existing account).

I got the S3 for the external storage, YMMV. I don't get the fanboy-isms - they are both incredible devices that ten years ago would have been almost incomprehensible. They're like...magic, man.
 
2012-09-14 10:28:53 AM

swaxhog: I also don't balk at paying $1.99 for an app I may use for a week and beat it or move on to something else.


But this library of $2 apps that you don't use anymore will stop you from changing platforms?

/that was the original argument
 
2012-09-14 10:29:26 AM
same phone, less bevel, faster. gottit.
 
2012-09-14 10:29:32 AM
Just cause this is one of the funniest vids I've seen in a while (and is about iphone5).

Link

Just buy and don't ask why!
You know you're gonna get an iphone5.
 
2012-09-14 10:29:42 AM

Carth: Rev.K: Carth: Once someone spends a few hundred dollars in apps they are less likely to jump to another platform.

How the f*ck do you spend "a few hundred dollars" on apps?

My total spend on apps with my Android phone of 18 months is about $10.

You're a lawyer studying for the bar? That one alone is a few hundred dollars. If you do a lot of statistical research the apps are also very expensive. Using a table or phone for any professional purpose and the cost of applications gets expensive really quick.


I do a lot of statistical research, and I would never once bother trying to do that on my phone, whether it was my old iphone 4 or my new s3. That's stupid.
 
2012-09-14 10:31:24 AM

Farking Canuck: Zizzowop: The cult of Apple haters, they will buy anything but Apple no matter what.

This is true for me but I contend that my hate is completely justified by Apple's choices and their policy of "our way is the only way".

Apple gives you no choice in: phone design (one size, no keyboard, etc.), the interface program you use (iTunes only), the store you use (App store only). Their attempts to control how I use my phone is offensive ... hence the hate.

Justified hate is different from blind hate. That may be difficult to recognize through your blind love.


Blind love for what? I agree with most of what you're saying, doesn't make me an Apple hater. I use a PC, a MAC, I have an iPod, Archos, and whatever else does things I like.
 
2012-09-14 10:31:41 AM
thinkoutsidetheboxtoday.com
 
2012-09-14 10:32:13 AM

Carth:
run apps you've already purchased for either your previous iphone or ipad. Once someone spends a few hundred dollars in apps they are less likely to jump to another platform. It was pretty brilliant for both apple and android to lock people into their phones in that way.


I have an honest question here. I've bought almost every iPhone since the first. I mostly stay with it because Apple makes it stupid simple to change devices while keeping every damn setting on every app on the device. So I've amassed about 300 apps on my current iPhone 4. When I get a new device, I plug it in, move my account and a few hours later, I have a brand new device, but all the exact apps with the same settings that I had before. Can this be done with Android yet, without rooting devices or setting up a dev environment on my computer?
 
2012-09-14 10:33:25 AM

secularsage: Make no mistake about it, though -- Apple demonstrated this week what the course is going to be in a post-Steve Jobs world. The presentation felt like a grotesque parody of the past, and the lack of new ideas revealed that the iPhone has reached a point where it's playing catch-up to the competition rather than leading the way.


As a long time iDevice consumer, I agree with this completely. The issue, IMHO, is that Apple is filled with people who are aces at bringing a vision to life, but Jobs completely drove off anyone else with vision. So now they're stuck where they have no fresh ideas coming in and only the ability to incrementally improve something that was tethered to Jobs' vision on how things were going to proceed and was engineered not to be flexible outside that path.

I'm going to give the Surface a whirl for Christmas; I can justify it for work, if nothing else. If Microsoft remains committed to the mobile platform, in two more versions they'll have something solid (that third version is always the charm from them).
 
2012-09-14 10:33:37 AM

JackieRabbit: Dear early adopters,

We smart consumers appreciate your zeal for being the first to buy a new model of a device. Your need to be first allows manufacturers to use you as Guinea pigs to find the bugs and fine tune their products so that the rest of us will have a satisfactory product at a lower cost. Your contribution is most valuable.


I am an early adopter of most things. I am the idiot who bought the 5GB, Firewire, Mac-Only iPod for $600, the $1,900 37-inch 720p LCD television with 1 HDMI input, etc. I install operating systems on the day they're released. I buy new cars with all of the whiz-bang gizmos and features. I am aware of what I am getting myself into. It's just a passion. I like to experience technology when it's fresh and stay ahead of the curve. I skip some generations of things if it's going to cost me fantastic amounts of money and I don't require a new one. But when it does come time to replace something like a phone, or a car, or a camera, or whatever, I usually go with the newest thing because I'm interested in it. I make mistakes sometimes, but I live with them. I'm not sure if you're being serious or not, but I think it's a good thing there are people like me, because otherwise things would advance much more slowly.
 
kab
2012-09-14 10:33:55 AM

LasersHurt: That port had to go. It was old technology. It's silly to presume they should keep the same old thing forever.


"well, it's just.. old and stuff" is a perfectly valid reason to change connectors for a phone, I agree.

Apple and their ilk are absolute masters of carefully planned obsolescence, I'm not sure how so many are oblivious to this.
 
2012-09-14 10:34:48 AM

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Carth: Rev.K: Carth: Once someone spends a few hundred dollars in apps they are less likely to jump to another platform.

How the f*ck do you spend "a few hundred dollars" on apps?

My total spend on apps with my Android phone of 18 months is about $10.

You're a lawyer studying for the bar? That one alone is a few hundred dollars. If you do a lot of statistical research the apps are also very expensive. Using a table or phone for any professional purpose and the cost of applications gets expensive really quick.

I do a lot of statistical research, and I would never once bother trying to do that on my phone, whether it was my old iphone 4 or my new s3. That's stupid.


There are some remarkably well done data collection apps with SAS and SPSS compatibility if you do a lot of field work and don't want to carry a laptop tablets actually work pretty well since they are light and easy to charge with a small solar panel.
 
2012-09-14 10:35:08 AM

The Bestest: am_svperstar: I actually just went to pre-order one for my girl (her Incredible was anything BUT) and they're telling me either I have to ditch the Unlimited Data Plan and pay monthly for data by the GB or pay full farking price for an iPhone at a retailer. And she's eligible for an upgrade too.
WTF?

Both AT&T and Verizon changed to "multiple devices sharing a metered data pool, but hey, unlimited voice!" plans for anyone getting a new contract.


ATT and VZW both seem to be willing to allow you to keep a grandfathered unlimited plan. My Incredible is losing its shiat and requires replacement soon; I'll probably get the new iPhone as I don't care about NFC or LTE/HSPA global roaming.

My wife has the iPhone 4; it has had absolutely zero faults for her and feels nice and solid. I was considering the SIII for my next phone but a couple of people I work with have had significant call problems with Verizon-primarily calls shutting down after about 90 seconds.

But if the iPhone can run the iOS version of Garage band, it's worth it to me. That would make a great practice recorder and I like the Mac version of garage band.

I wouldn't buy the older versions of iPhone primarily because their screen was too small for me to find useful.
 
2012-09-14 10:35:33 AM

Carth: Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do? What exactly? I can find more games and apps than I can ever use. And hell, Android, SD card, I can pretty much use anything I want on it which I find that Apple seems to frown on. This would annoy me often.

I just don't get it, I guess.

run apps you've already purchased for either your previous iphone or ipad. Once someone spends a few hundred dollars in apps they are less likely to jump to another platform. It was pretty brilliant for both apple and android to lock people into their phones in that way.


I'm not seeing how the android market locks you into a phone? Its a pretty open platform that works on tons of different vendors phones/tablets.
 
2012-09-14 10:35:48 AM

thornhill: As a Mac person, I really don't get the people who buy each new version of the iPhone. Maybe if we knew that there wouldn't be a new iPhone for at least two years I could understand wanting to have the improved functionality for that two year period (especially the LTE), but we do know that within a year there will be a better, faster iPhone.

I'm still using my 3GS that I bought in June 2009. While it's obviously no longer the hot new toy, it has served me well while the 4G and 4GS came out. But I will upgrade to the 5 because the battery is shot and performance has become sluggish.


Same here. I'm still using my 3GS, too, and it is still adequate for my needs. My phone is getting old and I'm experiencing a couple of minor glitches. My wife's 3GS is older than mine. We will be upgrading to 5 at the end of the year (giving Apple time to work out the inevitable problems). My only motivation for doing so is that I bought the 16 GB model and now that I have put my entire music library into iTunes, even putting a fraction of it into a playlist for my iPhone runs me out of memory. Luckily, I have my library in iCloud, so I can stream it to my phone, but iTunes Match does not allow you to make playlists yet.
 
2012-09-14 10:36:22 AM
I wonder if there will be a line, was there one for the 3GS? I saw there was one for the four, but when the 4S came out I was able to walk in to the apple store, relatively quiet at 10 in the morning and pick up one up on opening day no fuss, in and out in 10 minutes. I wonder if there's some kind of psychology of Numbers without an S attached to them.

Would love to know more about the Nokia 920 as a camera is my main requirement in smartphones, but it's a Windows phone and everything I have is Mac so that could be a problem.
 
2012-09-14 10:36:35 AM
I think of iPhones as the Rolex of phones.
You can get a cheaper phone (watch) that works just as well and maybe some cases better (Casio, Omega,Tag, etc).
Some people are willing to pay more for the excellent fit and finish of an iPhone, not to mention apps available, and firmware updates.
I'm in that group.
The resale value of iPhones is quite high so when you purchase a new phone it's really not that big of a hit.

/ haters gunna hate
 
2012-09-14 10:37:48 AM

Farking Canuck: Sad that they skipped NFC ... I personally am hoping NFC payment systems take off soon.


madgonad: 1. No NFC. - Seriously, WTF Apple!


Nobody but nerds knows or cares what "NFC" is. To the rest of the population, it means National Football Conference.
 
2012-09-14 10:39:16 AM

stiletto_the_wise: Farking Canuck: Sad that they skipped NFC ... I personally am hoping NFC payment systems take off soon.

madgonad: 1. No NFC. - Seriously, WTF Apple!

Nobody but nerds knows or cares what "NFC" is. To the rest of the population, it means National Football Conference.


True, but if you ask most people: "wouldn't you like to just be able to take out your phone and hit "ok" to pay for things instead of a using a credit or debit card" they seem to like the idea.
 
2012-09-14 10:39:39 AM
My experience with android and iOS phones in general is that android is more capable, less polished and slightly less stable and while iOS is surely polished and stable it seems to want to force you into doing things one way and if that's not intuitive for you then forget it. I like the hardware on the iphone and 'feel' of iOS but sometimes it annoys me and there is nothing I can do about it. So basically it's very understandable why anyone would be firmly in one camp.


As an aside:

Dear apple,

Copying text and saving e-mail attachments are not add on features and buying an app to accomplish them is a giant middle finger to the user. If you make them standard features on the iPhone 5 I won't be screaming in rage when my company upgrades my 4s.

Sincerely

Egoy3k
 
2012-09-14 10:40:48 AM

Zizzowop: Blind love for what? I agree with most of what you're saying, doesn't make me an Apple hater. I use a PC, a MAC, I have an iPod, Archos, and whatever else does things I like.


You're the one who felt the need to attack Apple haters. Calling us a cult when the hate is well earned.

You are implying it is some form of 'group think' when, in reality, it is a common response to offensive practices by a corporation.
 
2012-09-14 10:40:54 AM

LasersHurt: madgonad: There are actually some problems with the iPhone5 that are getting a little bit of coverage, though generally being drowned out by the hype.

1. No NFC. - Seriously, WTF Apple!
2. No simultaneous voice and data on CDMA carriers. Every LTE Android phone can do it, but Apple chose to reduce the number of antennas to get the device thinner and that eliminated this function. Since Verizon is throwing in free mobile Hotspot in their plans, it is going to suck that the data connection will drop when a phone call comes in.
3. The didn't plan to support the future LTE frequencies - specifically Vodaphones 4G LTE networks in the UK and beyond. They are being deployed right now and will be turned on in 1Q13. If you are a global roamer and use data, the iPhone 5 will be outdated at launch. Android LTE global devices have been ready for this rollout since 2011.

1. NFC is really new. It's a cool tech, but there's very little infrastructure for it. That said, that infrastructure is going to blow up over the next year, but it's a gamble they've made for better or worse. I think it will be like LTE - up front, honestly, it's not ubiquitous enough to sweat it. By the time it's everywhere, you get a new device out. A little late to the game, but not much worse for the wear.

2. They did not remove the antenna for thinness, they use the dual antennas for boosting and providing reliability to the primary connection. Still not sure it was the right move, I really like talking and using data on AT&T.

3. These turn out every year. One year from now, I'll bet they've got all the frequencies ready. Again, it's a bit of a lag, but that seems to be their safety practice these days.


NFC is popping up all over. This article explains why they deliberately gimped their own phone by removing antennas to allow a thinner device. Frequencies are known years in advance. All the manufactures knew about the new frequencies over a year ago. Android phones being released almost immediately supported them. Over a year goes by and Apple launches a device that doesn't. Seriously, it is like deliberately crippling a product so that it will be quickly outdated and the customer will have to buy another $650 device when only half way through their contract.

If this is Apple without Jobs, now is the time to sell your shares.
 
2012-09-14 10:41:36 AM

Huggermugger: Jackson Herring: St_Francis_P: Jackson Herring: St_Francis_P: Does that really mean anything? A certain number of people will want it no matter what.

Does that really mean anything? A certain number of people will be "disappointed" no matter what.

I think we're agreeing, but I'm not sure.

Me neither.

You're both wrong.


Nuh-uh!
 
2012-09-14 10:42:08 AM
Does the deplorable shait at Foxconn mean nothing to these people?
 
2012-09-14 10:43:42 AM

my alt's alt's alt: i used to work for apple. never owned a single one of their products. simple, uncustomizable crap for simple people who prefer to give a company money to think for them.

i worked in IT and apple users are by far the least "computer illiterate". and you should see the internal memos at apple on how they strive to keep their customer base uninformed and uneducated about their products...


not sure what "phone as a tool" has to do with "it sucks if you can't customize it", is that how all tools are looked at?
 
2012-09-14 10:43:43 AM

Tat'dGreaser: I'll never understand people who buy brand new technology before it has a chance to get all the bugs fixed


If there's a real problem, Apple will usually replace it no questions asked. The only time they haven't was the iPhone 4's antenna issue, but personally I was only ever able to replicate that by comepletely enveloping the sides of the device with boths hands.
 
2012-09-14 10:44:15 AM

stiletto_the_wise: Farking Canuck: Sad that they skipped NFC ... I personally am hoping NFC payment systems take off soon.

madgonad: 1. No NFC. - Seriously, WTF Apple!

Nobody but nerds knows or cares what "NFC" is. To the rest of the population, it means National Football Conference.


Nobody knows what LTE is either ... doesn't mean they don't want it.

Apple is choosing to not tell the iFans that they want it yet ... they'll wait to release the 5G before they inform the masses that they just invented NFC and everyone needs to upgrade to get this must-have feature.
 
2012-09-14 10:44:44 AM
Looks like the Foxconn rebrander has another hit on its hands.
 
2012-09-14 10:44:50 AM

wildstarr: Does the deplorable shait at Foxconn mean nothing to these people?


Since Foxconn assembles products for:

Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)
Apple Inc. (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Dell (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)
Intel (United States)
Microsoft (United States)
Motorola Mobility (United States)
Nintendo (Japan)
Nokia (Finland)
Samsung Electronics (South Korea)
Sony (Japan)
Toshiba (Japan)
Vizio (United States)

You won't buy many tech products if you want to avoid them completely
 
2012-09-14 10:45:02 AM
Stephen_Falken: "iSuck pic"

I thought that was the BMW owner slogan.
 
2012-09-14 10:45:43 AM

Carth: You're a lawyer studying for the bar? That one alone is a few hundred dollars.



It's about 3 months from the time you start studying till the exam. After that you won't need the app so it really shouldn't factor into any "sunk cost" calculations iPhone users would make regarding app purchases.
 
2012-09-14 10:46:01 AM

biyaaatci: my alt's alt's alt: i used to work for apple. never owned a single one of their products. simple, uncustomizable crap for simple people who prefer to give a company money to think for them.

i worked in IT and apple users are by far the least "computer illiterate". and you should see the internal memos at apple on how they strive to keep their customer base uninformed and uneducated about their products...


if you worked in IT you would know that apple users use the phrase "i'm not very computer illiterate" quite often to describe and thoroughly prove their iOblivion.
 
2012-09-14 10:46:07 AM

wildstarr: Does the deplorable shait at Foxconn mean nothing to these people?


all smartphones have blood on them, in case you're wondering
 
2012-09-14 10:47:31 AM

Mawson of the Antarctic: I wonder if there's some kind of psychology of Numbers without an S attached to them.


This is a bigger change (bigger screen) than going from 4 to 4S - or even from 3gs to 4 for that matter. I'll be moving from my 3gs to a 5 next month.

I'm not buying it because I think it's the most advanced, cutting edge phone. I'm buying it because it's the reliable standard. Yup, the iPhone has become the Blackberry'esque boring option for old people who just want their hand computer to work.
 
2012-09-14 10:47:40 AM

magic_patch: I just bought an S3. My first 'proper' smartphone after years of corporate Blackberries. It's pretty awesome and, as somebody said earlier, aligns well with my Google-ised life. Wife has had iPhones since they first came out.

I'd say that, more or less, they S3 and iPhone 4S (as my comparison) are identical in most respects to the average user.

iPhone is better at: Managing music, Samsung's iTunes equivalent sucks ass
S3 is better at: Video (bigger screen) and plugging anything in to it - I have an adapter that lets me mount a regular SD card externally and view the files in a folder. Also, the S3 comes with a free 50Gb Dropbox account (or boost to an existing account).

I got the S3 for the external storage, YMMV. I don't get the fanboy-isms - they are both incredible devices that ten years ago would have been almost incomprehensible. They're like...magic, man.


Lucky with android phones you are not limited to a single music player. There are some good ones out there, but Samsung using MTP for syncing is really annoying. The only solution I've found that works 100% is iSyncr which, ironically enough, ties me to iTunes. For some reason mediamonkey doesn't play nicely with it.
 
2012-09-14 10:47:40 AM

Farking Canuck: swaxhog: I also don't balk at paying $1.99 for an app I may use for a week and beat it or move on to something else.

But this library of $2 apps that you don't use anymore will stop you from changing platforms?

/that was the original argument


No, I replying to the reply of the original argument about how anyone could spend $100 on apps when mr. braggy only spent $10 over 18 months.

As well as ones I may not use - sort of like buying a DVD and then putting it on the shelf instead of the trash I have plenty of apps I wouldn't want to lose or re-buy . One alone, Pinball Arcade, I'll probably sink $50+ dollars in over the next year. Over 3 years, one can build up a nice library of useful shiat one that when comparing to jump from one platform to another has to factor into what it will cost you. There now I've brought it back to the original argument.
 
2012-09-14 10:48:52 AM

The Bestest: LasersHurt: madgonad: There are actually some problems with the iPhone5 that are getting a little bit of coverage, though generally being drowned out by the hype.

1. No NFC. - Seriously, WTF Apple!
2. No simultaneous voice and data on CDMA carriers. Every LTE Android phone can do it, but Apple chose to reduce the number of antennas to get the device thinner and that eliminated this function. Since Verizon is throwing in free mobile Hotspot in their plans, it is going to suck that the data connection will drop when a phone call comes in.
3. The didn't plan to support the future LTE frequencies - specifically Vodaphones 4G LTE networks in the UK and beyond. They are being deployed right now and will be turned on in 1Q13. If you are a global roamer and use data, the iPhone 5 will be outdated at launch. Android LTE global devices have been ready for this rollout since 2011.

1. NFC is really new. It's a cool tech, but there's very little infrastructure for it. That said, that infrastructure is going to blow up over the next year, but it's a gamble they've made for better or worse. I think it will be like LTE - up front, honestly, it's not ubiquitous enough to sweat it. By the time it's everywhere, you get a new device out. A little late to the game, but not much worse for the wear.

2. They did not remove the antenna for thinness, they use the dual antennas for boosting and providing reliability to the primary connection. Still not sure it was the right move, I really like talking and using data on AT&T.

3. These turn out every year. One year from now, I'll bet they've got all the frequencies ready. Again, it's a bit of a lag, but that seems to be their safety practice these days.

This just kinda highlights the notion that Apple used to innovate and now they're just playing catch-up, no?


It depends. On a yearly cycle, does being 6 months off hurt that much?
 
2012-09-14 10:49:05 AM

Farking Canuck: Zizzowop: Blind love for what? I agree with most of what you're saying, doesn't make me an Apple hater. I use a PC, a MAC, I have an iPod, Archos, and whatever else does things I like.

You're the one who felt the need to attack Apple haters. Calling us a cult when the hate is well earned.

You are implying it is some form of 'group think' when, in reality, it is a common response to offensive practices by a corporation.


"You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it's going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kinds of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt." -always good to bust out this quote, good for haters and fanboys of anything. Thank you Robert M. Pirsig.
 
2012-09-14 10:52:50 AM
In other news, Apple's control over their fans is still strong. I love tech gadgets too, but only a brand-loyalty lemming goes out and pays too much for a marginally better version of something they already bought a few months ago, then sells the "old" gadget for a minimum 50% loss.
 
2012-09-14 10:53:03 AM

NowhereMon: Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do? What exactly? I can find more games and apps than I can ever use. And hell, Android, SD card, I can pretty much use anything I want on it which I find that Apple seems to frown on. This would annoy me often.

I just don't get it, I guess.

Right now I have an Android for myself. A Galaxy SII. It's a decent phone, takes good pictures and was relatively inexpensive. Compared to an iPhone it is a bit rough around the edges: my biggest gripe is the lack of OS support, I was finally able to upgrade to ICS more than a year after it was initially released, and I seriously doubt I will ever get another upgrade. Some of the changes that Samsung was forced to make because of the patent war made the phone less good in many subtle and intangible ways. I really like how effortlessly it ties into my googleized life, I love mobile chrome and I love swiftkey. It is not as polished as iOS by a long shot, it behaves unpredictably at times, and in many ways it feels like a work in process. Oh yeah, and the bloatware from ATT is just obnoxious.


Upgrading to icecream sandwich probably caused most of your issues.

iPhones get the bloatware, too.

I used to use iOS and switched to the Galaxy SII and actually feel that the OS seems much more polished there than it ever did on my old iPhone but then again, it still amuses me that the iPhone interface is just a bunch of icons.
 
2012-09-14 10:54:47 AM

Stephen_Falken: [thinkoutsidetheboxtoday.com image 500x377]


Can't afford Apple products, huh?

Snarky Acronym: I think of iPhones as the Rolex of phones.
You can get a cheaper phone (watch) that works just as well and maybe some cases better (Casio, Omega,Tag, etc).
Some people are willing to pay more for the excellent fit and finish of an iPhone, not to mention apps available, and firmware updates.
I'm in that group.
The resale value of iPhones is quite high so when you purchase a new phone it's really not that big of a hit.

/ haters gunna hate


And, let's not forget that Apple has what I consider to be the best customer service available. Once, I forgot to take my iPhone out the pocket of my shorts. Stupid me decided to do a load of laundry and got it going before beginning to wonder where my phone was. Yup, it was in the final spin cycle. So off I go to the Apple store to buy a new phone. I told the salesman what happened and he told me had it just been a drop in the toilet, they could have salvaged the phone; they had the necessary equipment in the back. But, because of the detergent, this wasn't possible. But no worries. I was offered a replacement phone for $80. I thought I'd get a refurbished phone, but the salesman popped open a new phone, inserted my SIM and connected it to his Mac. Apple downloaded all my apps and settings to the new phone and I was on my way. The only other thing I had to do was sync up with my Mac at home to reload my iTunes playlists.
 
2012-09-14 10:55:49 AM

Jackson Herring: St_Francis_P: Does that really mean anything? A certain number of people will want it no matter what.

Does that really mean anything? A certain number of people will be "disappointed" no matter what.


Apple could invent a tricorder and a few farkers will still hate it.
 
2012-09-14 10:56:44 AM
Honestly, I think the return to the aluminum back is what I'm looking forward to more than anything else.
 
2012-09-14 10:57:50 AM
Is there an Android app that will cause people to envy my non iPhone?
 
2012-09-14 11:00:15 AM

LasersHurt: It depends. On a yearly cycle, does being 6 months off hurt that much?


Not what I'm getting at.
In the numerous patent suit threads, a constant pro-Apple argument was that the first couple of iPhone iterations introduced new features that everyone else began copying after. The iPhone 5 offers nothing new (unless you're counting the "Lightning" port) and actually lacks features that are becoming standard.
 
2012-09-14 11:00:55 AM

Surpheon: Yup, the iPhone has become the Blackberry'esque boring option for old people who just want their hand computer to work.


Honest question: do you believe that Android or Windows 'hand computers' don't 'just work'?
 
2012-09-14 11:00:55 AM
if apple painted a turd white, called it the iTurd, and put a $300 label on it, there are enough fanboys out there, that it would "sell out in less than an hour at apple"
 
2012-09-14 11:01:01 AM

wildstarr: Does the deplorable shait at Foxconn mean nothing to these people?


No, because if they own any mobile device, they've supported it. The only way around that stuff is to be a complete luddite.

Since you're here, I assume you don't have enough of a problem with the Foxconn reports to not buy shiat manufactured by them.
 
2012-09-14 11:01:13 AM

JackieRabbit: Stephen_Falken: [thinkoutsidetheboxtoday.com image 500x377]

Can't afford Apple products, huh?

Snarky Acronym: I think of iPhones as the Rolex of phones.
You can get a cheaper phone (watch) that works just as well and maybe some cases better (Casio, Omega,Tag, etc).
Some people are willing to pay more for the excellent fit and finish of an iPhone, not to mention apps available, and firmware updates.
I'm in that group.
The resale value of iPhones is quite high so when you purchase a new phone it's really not that big of a hit.

/ haters gunna hate

And, let's not forget that Apple has what I consider to be the best customer service available. Once, I forgot to take my iPhone out the pocket of my shorts. Stupid me decided to do a load of laundry and got it going before beginning to wonder where my phone was. Yup, it was in the final spin cycle. So off I go to the Apple store to buy a new phone. I told the salesman what happened and he told me had it just been a drop in the toilet, they could have salvaged the phone; they had the necessary equipment in the back. But, because of the detergent, this wasn't possible. But no worries. I was offered a replacement phone for $80. I thought I'd get a refurbished phone, but the salesman popped open a new phone, inserted my SIM and connected it to his Mac. Apple downloaded all my apps and settings to the new phone and I was on my way. The only other thing I had to do was sync up with my Mac at home to reload my iTunes playlists.


Same thing(kinda) with my wife's iPad2. Our 1 year old grabbed it and tossed it to the floor, cracking the screen to bejesus and back. I took it in, and they swapped it for a refurb and got it all loaded.

What originally sold me on Apple was the iPod touch. I could play in the iPhone sandbox with all the cool kids without having to pay for a data plan. Android devices at the time didn't have anything comparable.
 
2012-09-14 11:01:31 AM

Farking Canuck: Zizzowop: The cult of Apple haters, they will buy anything but Apple no matter what.

This is true for me but I contend that my hate is completely justified by Apple's choices and their policy of "our way is the only way".

Apple gives you no choice in: phone design (one size, no keyboard, etc.), the interface program you use (iTunes only), the store you use (App store only). Their attempts to control how I use my phone is offensive ... hence the hate.

Justified hate is different from blind hate. That may be difficult to recognize through your blind love.


That's not justified. That's rationalized. You could always buy another phone without hating Apple's phones.
 
2012-09-14 11:01:46 AM

The Quaalude Renaissance: Is there an Android app that will cause people to envy my non iPhone?


Nope. There is no demand. Android users don't buy phones based on who will envy them.
 
2012-09-14 11:02:11 AM
When they put a microphone on an ipad so it is also a phone and big-screen browser then I will consider getting a portable communication-device. They should stop the bull-shiat and combine these electronics into a single all-purpose unit instead of selling them piece-meal.

/and it should be fold-able so I can put it in a pocket
//with solar-cells
///i like hyphenating to-day
 
2012-09-14 11:03:37 AM

The Quaalude Renaissance: Is there an Android app that will cause people to envy my non iPhone?


"battery changer" should do the trick. It's an app, standard on most droid phones, that allows you to change your effing battery. BRILLIANT! The other one is "external storage".
 
2012-09-14 11:03:54 AM

stuhayes2010: Apple could invent a tricorder and a few farkers will still hate it.


Sure ... but we will be sending in our hateful comments using tricorders made from other companies years earlier.
 
2012-09-14 11:04:09 AM

Farking Canuck: Surpheon: Yup, the iPhone has become the Blackberry'esque boring option for old people who just want their hand computer to work.

Honest question: do you believe that Android or Windows 'hand computers' don't 'just work'?


I had one that totally didn't work. Had Windows Mobile on it. Then I used my brothers iphone, and I was like "Crap, my phone sucks"
 
2012-09-14 11:05:32 AM

fireclown: fluffy2097: Jon iz teh kewl: or buy the $999 GPS application

Oh wow. I bought GPS software and a GPS receiver and a computer to run it on for less then that.

/P.T. Barnum's spirit is clearly alive and well.
//A fool and his money are soon parted


help me out. Is that a joke? If not, what does $999 buy you on an Iphone, GPS wise?


not much. in order to get your FULL $999 worth i can program u a custom app for $999 that does EXACTLY what Google Earth does, but does it WITHOUT ADS
*AND* WITH a british woman voice
 
2012-09-14 11:05:51 AM

fireclown: The Quaalude Renaissance: Is there an Android app that will cause people to envy my non iPhone?

"battery changer" should do the trick. It's an app, standard on most droid phones, that allows you to change your effing battery. BRILLIANT! The other one is "external storage".


Do you have 2 batteries?
 
2012-09-14 11:06:59 AM
Which is more expensive, an apple addiction or heroin?
 
2012-09-14 11:07:09 AM

Farking Canuck: stuhayes2010: Apple could invent a tricorder and a few farkers will still hate it.

Sure ... but we will be sending in our hateful comments using tricorders made from other companies years earlier.


You mean the Samsung Galaxy V Quadcorder?
 
2012-09-14 11:07:53 AM

madgonad: NFC is popping up all over. This article explains why they deliberately gimped their own phone by removing antennas to allow a thinner device. Frequencies are known years in advance. All the manufactures knew about the new frequencies over a year ago. Android phones being released almost im ...


From your Link: "The reasons, as always, are somewhat technical but at a high level pretty simple. Suffice it to say that at a high level this is a design decision which makes the phone as small and light as it is (it really is light, almost alarmingly so) and enables it to support a wide number of LTE bands, rather than some major oversight like I've seen it portrayed. "

It seems we're both partially correct.

As far as NFC, it's "popping up," yes, but it's certainly not Main Stream yet. Like I said, it'll blow up this year.
 
2012-09-14 11:08:48 AM
They could offer a block of compressed rat turds as the iPhone 5 and the results would be the same.
 
2012-09-14 11:09:01 AM

fireclown: The Quaalude Renaissance: Is there an Android app that will cause people to envy my non iPhone?

"battery changer" should do the trick. It's an app, standard on most droid phones, that allows you to change your effing battery. BRILLIANT! The other one is "external storage".


I've never had the need to change batteries due to a charge since I started using these things in the mid-90's. The only instances of battery changes has been to replace a failed battery. This is something I can still have done on any idevice.

The external storage bit is a bigger-ish deal, but the battery argument, to me, is just noise.
 
2012-09-14 11:09:37 AM

kab: I guess the 99% isn't as cash strapped as they claim to be. Huh.


This.
 
2012-09-14 11:09:44 AM
Isn't hating Apple because they are Apple just like loving Apple because they are Apple?
"Oh, look at how hip I am, I love Apple!"
"Oh, look at how hip I am, I hate Apple!"
 
2012-09-14 11:10:15 AM

The Bestest: LasersHurt: It depends. On a yearly cycle, does being 6 months off hurt that much?

Not what I'm getting at.
In the numerous patent suit threads, a constant pro-Apple argument was that the first couple of iPhone iterations introduced new features that everyone else began copying after. The iPhone 5 offers nothing new (unless you're counting the "Lightning" port) and actually lacks features that are becoming standard.


I understand what you're saying, but not the point. Yes, maybe at the beginning they were more innovative, and now less so. What's the importance of this? Just that it's changed?
 
2012-09-14 11:10:22 AM

Publikwerks: Farking Canuck: Surpheon: Yup, the iPhone has become the Blackberry'esque boring option for old people who just want their hand computer to work.

Honest question: do you believe that Android or Windows 'hand computers' don't 'just work'?

I had one that totally didn't work. Had Windows Mobile on it. Then I used my brothers iphone, and I was like "Crap, my phone sucks"


Sure ... there have been some lemons in the past. There probably will be in the future as well.

It was more of a general question about the platform and not a specific phone.
 
kab
2012-09-14 11:10:28 AM

Carth: True, but if you ask most people: "wouldn't you like to just be able to take out your phone and hit "ok" to pay for things instead of a using a credit or debit card" they seem to like the idea.


All this proves is that most people are farking retarded.
 
2012-09-14 11:10:34 AM

Cormee: jaybeezey: I've been pretty happy with my 4s, no plans to upgrade in the near future.

This is pretty much what every 4s owner I know has been saying.

I'm meeting a fanboy later so it'll be interesting to see what his plans are in this respect.


Why would anyone replace a perfectly good phone that's only one year old? Shiat, my iPhone 4 is two years old and as much as I *want* all of the new features that come with the new iPhone, I have a hard time parting with it because it still does everything I want it to do. And I qualify for the full upgrade pricing, so it would only be $399 (I would want the 64GB model).

I know I won't get some of the features in iOS 6, but is there really that big a difference between the 4S and the 5 that would make someone want to pay top dollar to upgrade?
 
2012-09-14 11:10:55 AM

studiomusic: Isn't hating Apple because they are Apple just like loving Apple because they are Apple?
"Oh, look at how hip I am, I love Apple!"
"Oh, look at how hip I am, I hate Apple!"


Yes, but for some reason nobody will admit this.
 
2012-09-14 11:12:22 AM
apple should come out with a circumcision kit, just to further polarize fark.
 
2012-09-14 11:12:23 AM
Who would have thought that 10 years ago, people would go so batshiat crazy over a farking PHONE? Aren't we sill in a sort of recession?

/Typing this on my 'entry' level myTouchQ, which does everything I need it to do, and more
/On a prepaid $30 Tmobile plan with unlimited txt and 5gb of 4g data
 
2012-09-14 11:12:24 AM

Surpheon: Mawson of the Antarctic: I wonder if there's some kind of psychology of Numbers without an S attached to them.

This is a bigger change (bigger screen) than going from 4 to 4S - or even from 3gs to 4 for that matter. I'll be moving from my 3gs to a 5 next month.

I'm not buying it because I think it's the most advanced, cutting edge phone. I'm buying it because it's the reliable standard. Yup, the iPhone has become the Blackberry'esque boring option for old people who just want their hand computer to work.


Anyone who thinks an iPhone/iPad is old and busted doesn't know anything about them. I can't address Android's capabilities, since I don't use one. I've played with one and it seemed a good, solid device with a good interface. Is it better than Apple's? I don't know, but Android users seem pleased with it. I do know that when I find a video on the net and want to show it to my wife, I just point it at my television (I have an Apple TV too) and double-tap my screen. There's the content playing on my TV, being streamed over my wireless network. I can do the same thing with my iMac and Macbook Pro.

Android users, do these devices have similar functionality? (serious question)

/doesn't get the us against Apple mentality and never has
 
2012-09-14 11:12:26 AM
It's still not appealing
 
2012-09-14 11:12:28 AM
I harbor no love or hate for Apple. I just don't understand the religious following they have. But hey, good for them.

I think the iPhone does a great job at making a smart phone for dumb people. Not saying anyone who uses one is an idiot or not tech savvy, but at the phone store I used to work at, most people jumping to the 4S from an Android phone felt that Android was too complicated for them or had a bad experience because they bought one of the cheap crap phones like the Samsung Intercept. I personally feel pretty limited on iOS after using Android for a while but it's a phone I'd buy for my grandmother if she wanted one of those flashy, newfangled touch phones that talk to you.

If it weren't on AT&T and I weren't so glued to my BlackBerry for work at the time, I would have bought the 3GS. I finally ditched the BB for Android with the Samsung Epic 4G, and then traded up to the GS2. It's rooted with all bloatware removed and some useful things added, and for pricey apps there are, uh, alternatives to the Play Store. I'm out of contract but I don't see myself giving this thing up unless it breaks and the cost of repair is more than the cost of a new phone.
 
2012-09-14 11:12:51 AM

Publikwerks:

What originally sold me on Apple was the iPod touch. I could play in the iPhone sandbox with all the cool kids without having to pay for a data plan. Android devices at the time didn't have anything comparable.


Considering Andriod did not come out till after the Touch was released it would be pretty darn hard don't you think? Archos had a device before the touch that was similar.
 
2012-09-14 11:13:01 AM
Excuse me.

Not a peeling.

There, pun sounds better.
 
2012-09-14 11:13:34 AM

kab: LasersHurt: That port had to go. It was old technology. It's silly to presume they should keep the same old thing forever.

"well, it's just.. old and stuff" is a perfectly valid reason to change connectors for a phone, I agree.

Apple and their ilk are absolute masters of carefully planned obsolescence, I'm not sure how so many are oblivious to this.


There are actual technical reasons for the change. It's not just "planned obsolescence," it's just an upgrade to something newer and more capable. Just because you don't know or understand the technical reason behind it doesn't mean it's arbitrary. Do you even know what the pins on the connectors are for? It's not exactly a USB port.
 
2012-09-14 11:13:59 AM
I swore to myself I'd never buy a Samsung phone. I haste the company for numerous reasons. I had been waiting for the new iPhone to be released and was eager to see what it would look like. My contract happened to expire this week, too. Anyway I was really disappointed. I'm now writing this post on my new Galaxy S3.
 
2012-09-14 11:14:08 AM

studiomusic: Isn't hating Apple because they are Apple just like loving Apple because they are Apple?


Sure if that were the case. It is not.

We hate Apple because the way it treats its customers like 4-year olds. The way they control every aspect of their device ... blocking individuality and creativity to maintain absolute control.

We don't hate Apple because they exist or because they are successful. It is their policies and what they stand for.
 
2012-09-14 11:14:35 AM
The 5 will be so much better than the 4s.

Pops
 
2012-09-14 11:14:49 AM

BarkingUnicorn: kab: I guess the 99% isn't as cash strapped as they claim to be. Huh.

This.


Because $199 is such a large amount of money.... Darn poor people with their refrigerators!
 
2012-09-14 11:15:11 AM

LasersHurt: studiomusic: Isn't hating Apple because they are Apple just like loving Apple because they are Apple?
"Oh, look at how hip I am, I love Apple!"
"Oh, look at how hip I am, I hate Apple!"

Yes, but for some reason nobody will admit this.


Well, everyone wants to justify their choice. If they can prove the other side is stupid for their choice, then by default, you prove you were correct.

It's dumb. It's Chocolate vs Vanilla.
 
2012-09-14 11:15:47 AM

H31N0US: How do you "sell out" of vaporware? It's a pre-order. You can't run out of nothing!

What a bs article. Apple has more "journalists" on its payroll that developers, I'd wager.


You can run out of manufacturing capacity.

For anyone complaining about how "expensive" apps are, they're much more expensive to produce than desktop programs feature-for-feature and typically cost a fraction of their desktop counterparts.

The App Store is the best thing to happen to consumers of commercial software and one of the worst for its producers. Mobile apps are low-profit affairs.
 
2012-09-14 11:15:57 AM
I like my desktops & laptops windows flavor, but right now it seems like if you're in the market for a smartphone or tablet Apple is the way to go. My new HTC Evo is one annoying & buggy lag-monster.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-14 11:16:30 AM

my alt's alt's alt: biyaaatci: my alt's alt's alt: i used to work for apple. never owned a single one of their products. simple, uncustomizable crap for simple people who prefer to give a company money to think for them.

i worked in IT and apple users are by far the least "computer illiterate". and you should see the internal memos at apple on how they strive to keep their customer base uninformed and uneducated about their products...

if you worked in IT you would know that apple users use the phrase "i'm not very computer illiterate" quite often to describe and thoroughly prove their iOblivion.


That's what you're going with? I was pointing out that you either misused 'least' or 'illiterate,' which I found to be pretty funny. Now you seem to be backtracking and saying that it's the Apple users who are misusing the term 'illiterate.' At least I think that's what you're doing. It's hard to tell with your syntax. As you claim to have worked in IT, you should be familiar with the unnecessary complexity of beginning a statement with negation. You've displayed that exact problem here. I'm not saying that there are not stupid Apple users, but perhaps this hating attitude that you display is why you 'worked' in IT.
 
2012-09-14 11:17:23 AM

susansto-helit: The Bestest: susansto-helit: I'm due for an upgrade in November. I'll probably get the 5 then. I currently have a Galaxy S. No one I know with a 4 or 4S plans to upgrade except for the fankids, though.

What has you interested in the iPhone 5 as opposed to the Galaxy S3?

For some reason I'm much more prone to dropping smartphones than I am my old cell phones. The Galaxies, though good phones, have a flimsier plastic backing on them that the iPhones don't have. The iPhone's are pretty solid. That and I have an iPad and it'll be easier to sync it up with that.


If you drop phones, you'll want a good case for your iPhone. Fortunately, they made the 5 thinner, so even with the case, it'll still be pretty slim.

/ shattered the back glass of my iPhone 4 about two months after I bought it...and it had the "bumper" case
// now has a cool, non-OEM clear back glass that lets you see the inside of the phone...and it was cheaper than OEM glass
/// iFixit FTW
 
2012-09-14 11:18:49 AM

biyaaatci: my alt's alt's alt: i used to work for apple. never owned a single one of their products. simple, uncustomizable crap for simple people who prefer to give a company money to think for them.

i worked in IT and apple users are by far the least "computer illiterate". and you should see the internal memos at apple on how they strive to keep their customer base uninformed and uneducated about their products...


So Apple figured out the American tech buyer perfectly. How is the iPhone different from a dishwasher or household plumbing?
 
GBB
2012-09-14 11:18:54 AM
media.tumblr.com 

/really? No one?
 
2012-09-14 11:19:00 AM

Cormee: jaybeezey: I've been pretty happy with my 4s, no plans to upgrade in the near future.

This is pretty much what every 4s owner I know has been saying.

I'm meeting a fanboy later so it'll be interesting to see what his plans are in this respect.


Perfectly happy with the 4S and not planning to upgrade. The S models are where you get the speed bumps to make all the new shiat introduced with the non-S models fly. Not that the features don't work fine on the non-S ones, but the performance jump is usually pretty noticeable in my experience.

LTE coverage is still garbage here. Verizon has it up, but it's spotty at best where I live. Sprint and AT&T have nothing. And I'm indifferent to the bigger screen.
 
2012-09-14 11:19:41 AM

Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do? What exactly? I can find more games and apps than I can ever use. And hell, Android, SD card, I can pretty much use anything I want on it which I find that Apple seems to frown on. This would annoy me often.

I just don't get it, I guess.


I'm with you.

We went to the Verizon store a few months ago with the specific intention of getting my wife an iPhone4.
Our kids both have iPod Touches that I've been really impressed with. So I finally broke down and said, let's go and do it.

So, we get there and the sales guy says, "Are you really that stuck on Apple? You might want to consider the Android." So, I was open minded, and played with the demo model for about 10 minutes. I was so impressed with it, that I bought one for my wife AND myself! And I love the farking thing.
It's got more apps, for free, the SD card (for my huge MP3 collection), I can control the file system, and the interface is not much different than the iPhone. It's also fast, stable, and has a really cool web browser. And, as a REAL BONUS, the phone is clear and reliable. Now there's really something - a toy that actually still works primarily as a phone.

As a bonus, I got both of the phones for less than the cost of 1 outdated iPhone that uses a slower network and has almost none of the options I just described.

So all you Apple people can have fun with your iPhones. I don't get it though.
 
2012-09-14 11:21:21 AM

dr_blasto: I've never had the need to change batteries due to a charge since I started using these things in the mid-90's. The only instances of battery changes has been to replace a failed battery. This is something I can still have done on any idevice.

The external storage bit is a bigger-ish deal, but the battery argument, to me, is just noise.



The truth is that my battery hadn't fully gone south. But it was dying and I decided to look for a new one, and discovered that they made them with about 30% more capacity than the battery that came with the phone. It cost me all of $12. Great investment.
 
2012-09-14 11:22:03 AM

BarkingUnicorn: biyaaatci: my alt's alt's alt: i used to work for apple. never owned a single one of their products. simple, uncustomizable crap for simple people who prefer to give a company money to think for them.

i worked in IT and apple users are by far the least "computer illiterate". and you should see the internal memos at apple on how they strive to keep their customer base uninformed and uneducated about their products...

So Apple figured out the American tech buyer perfectly. How is the iPhone different from a dishwasher or household plumbing?


That wasn't me saying that...
 
2012-09-14 11:22:17 AM

magic_patch: I don't get the fanboy-isms - they are both incredible devices that ten years ago would have been almost incomprehensible. They're like...magic, man.


This X eleventy.

Now that the Internet has made interoperability essential, the platform you choose is less important than ten years ago, so buy what you like and let others buy what they like. We can all get along if we choose to.
 
2012-09-14 11:24:36 AM

Jackson Herring: St_Francis_P: Does that really mean anything? A certain number of people will want it no matter what.

Does that really mean anything? A certain number of people will be "disappointed" no matter what.


Its always time for a new phone.

I was looking at mine the other day thinking....

"My 8 Megapixel camera has been ok for the last year or so on this phone, but geez, even the iPhone has an 8 mega pixel now. Time to upgrade....."
 
2012-09-14 11:24:45 AM

LasersHurt: What's the importance of this? Just that it's changed?


The change is something to watch. I'm by no means one of the "lol, Apple is doomed with Jobs dead!" people, and really it's too soon to tell, but I'll be watching Apple's next 'big' product announcement (whatever it may be) to see if there truly is a change of direction at Apple, or if the iPhone 5 is a one-off.

My other point is that yes, I will admit the zeal for the iPhone 5 is baffling to me. I can completely understand current iPhone owners wanting to upgrade; that I get. I even understand LTE being a big enough deal to upgrade from the 4S to a 5. Unless all of those pre-orders fall into those categories, I'm just kinda stumped at the popularity.
 
2012-09-14 11:25:05 AM

GBB: [media.tumblr.com image 500x313] 

/really? No one?


was looking for the pic where they give him the "last" one... took too long
 
2012-09-14 11:26:03 AM

durbnpoisn: Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do? What exactly? I can find more games and apps than I can ever use. And hell, Android, SD card, I can pretty much use anything I want on it which I find that Apple seems to frown on. This would annoy me often.

I just don't get it, I guess.

I'm with you.

We went to the Verizon store a few months ago with the specific intention of getting my wife an iPhone4.
Our kids both have iPod Touches that I've been really impressed with. So I finally broke down and said, let's go and do it.

So, we get there and the sales guy says, "Are you really that stuck on Apple? You might want to consider the Android." So, I was open minded, and played with the demo model for about 10 minutes. I was so impressed with it, that I bought one for my wife AND myself! And I love the farking thing.
It's got more apps, for free, the SD card (for my huge MP3 collection), I can control the file system, and the interface is not much different than the iPhone. It's also fast, stable, and has a really cool web browser. And, as a REAL BONUS, the phone is clear and reliable. Now there's really something - a toy that actually still works primarily as a phone.

As a bonus, I got both of the phones for less than the cost of 1 outdated iPhone that uses a slower network and has almost none of the options I just described.

So all you Apple people can have fun with your iPhones. I don't get it though.


So, does Android have a Garageband equivalent? A basic multitrack recorder and editor? I never found one, nor found any interface DAC to go with it.

This is most important to me. I almost bought an iPad just for this, but because I wouldn't have a separate use for it, I found no real justification for the $500 or so dollars.
 
2012-09-14 11:26:26 AM

studiomusic: Isn't hating Apple because they are Apple just like loving Apple because they are Apple?
"Oh, look at how hip I am, I love Apple!"
"Oh, look at how hip I am, I hate Apple!"


Yeah, that's what I was trying to say to someone else in this thread and I agree.
 
kab
2012-09-14 11:27:13 AM

TNel: BarkingUnicorn: kab: I guess the 99% isn't as cash strapped as they claim to be. Huh.

This.

Because $199 is such a large amount of money.... Darn poor people with their refrigerators!


You might want to factor in the monthly fees as part of the cost of ownership? Nah.
 
2012-09-14 11:27:36 AM
cdn.macgasm.net

Maybe I would have had better luck if I searched on an iphone 5, or should i wait a week and get the iphone 5s?
 
2012-09-14 11:28:32 AM

mccallcl: For anyone complaining about how "expensive" apps are, they're much more expensive to produce than desktop programs feature-for-feature and typically cost a fraction of their desktop counterparts.

The App Store is the best thing to happen to consumers of commercial software and one of the worst for its producers. Mobile apps are low-profit affairs.


When one considers how small and efficient a mobile app has to be, one is rather impressed. I am reminded of the old USSR model of application development for the military. They gave their developers the slowest, least powerful POS computers they could find for them to use. This forced them to developing lean, efficient applications that had very high reliability.

Mobile apps are cheap, yes, but because of their low cost and ease of distribution, a good app developer can make a lot of money on a useful app. Remember, Apple only takes a small cut of the cost of an app. They also provide developers in their network development tools without cost. Some are even given grants.
 
2012-09-14 11:29:13 AM

TNel: Publikwerks:

What originally sold me on Apple was the iPod touch. I could play in the iPhone sandbox with all the cool kids without having to pay for a data plan. Android devices at the time didn't have anything comparable.

Considering Andriod did not come out till after the Touch was released it would be pretty darn hard don't you think? Archos had a device before the touch that was similar.


Ok, backstory. I had a Video iPod(the 5th gen) and was happy with it. Got it in 06. It died around 2010, at which point I started looking at an iPod touch. However, I also started looking at Android devices, and outside of phones, there didn't seem to be much at the time.
 
2012-09-14 11:29:25 AM

studiomusic: Isn't hating Apple because they are Apple just like loving Apple because they are Apple?
"Oh, look at how hip I am, I love Apple!"
"Oh, look at how hip I am, I hate Apple!"


it just doesn't have the right click
 
2012-09-14 11:29:45 AM
Oh man, I so hope the lawsuit over the LTE patents blocks the iphone 5 from being sold in the states. Not only would the brick-shiatting from apple fans and tech 'journalism' sites (everyone besides The Register and maybe Ars Technica) be awesome to watch, it might actually get the right people off their asses to...oh i dunno...FIX THE PATENT SYSTEM.
 
2012-09-14 11:29:55 AM

fireclown: dr_blasto: I've never had the need to change batteries due to a charge since I started using these things in the mid-90's. The only instances of battery changes has been to replace a failed battery. This is something I can still have done on any idevice.

The external storage bit is a bigger-ish deal, but the battery argument, to me, is just noise.


The truth is that my battery hadn't fully gone south. But it was dying and I decided to look for a new one, and discovered that they made them with about 30% more capacity than the battery that came with the phone. It cost me all of $12. Great investment.


I had an EVO 4g.....that should have been nick named the Battery Bane because it could eat one in less than 4 hours of heavy use. I went with the double battery, and kept a second on an external charger in my office, would change once or twice a day.

Have the Samsung Galax s2 now, battery is much better, a single extended battery lasts me all day. But there is only one case that fits it with the battery on. Kind of a pain, I need an otterbox or seidio for the extended battery.

An iPhone with a non replaceable battery would be the end of me, I cant sit near a desk charging a phone all day.
 
2012-09-14 11:30:21 AM

Carth: stiletto_the_wise: Farking Canuck: Sad that they skipped NFC ... I personally am hoping NFC payment systems take off soon.

madgonad: 1. No NFC. - Seriously, WTF Apple!

Nobody but nerds knows or cares what "NFC" is. To the rest of the population, it means National Football Conference.

True, but if you ask most people: "wouldn't you like to just be able to take out your phone and hit "ok" to pay for things instead of a using a credit or debit card" they seem to like the idea.


I think apps and scanners are a better solution. No radio transmission required and every smartphone out there has enough resolution to display a readable QR code. But I also don't have a problem using credit cards for purchases.
 
2012-09-14 11:31:17 AM
As far as the whole Apple vs Android debate goes...

I have nothing bad to say about the iPhone. And my kids LOVE their iPod Touches (which are essentially the same thing). Plus, it seems pretty obvious that Android took a LOT of their ideas, certainly for the interface, directly from the iPhone.

I think my biggest problem with the iPhone is the lack of flexibility over the system itself (like a lack of an SD card), and the inability to control something as simple as you MP3 library. Apple seems to be under the impression that they have a better idea about how to organize all your files, and you just better keep your hands out of it.
Now, on the other hand, if you are not a regular computer user like myself, perhaps that's a good thing. Because if you don't know what you are doing you can really fark stuff up.

As an amusing side point... I haven't seen a single thing in this thread about Windows phones.
//I'm pointing at MS and laughing right now.
 
2012-09-14 11:33:38 AM

Carth: Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do? What exactly? I can find more games and apps than I can ever use. And hell, Android, SD card, I can pretty much use anything I want on it which I find that Apple seems to frown on. This would annoy me often.

I just don't get it, I guess.

run apps you've already purchased for either your previous iphone or ipad. Once someone spends a few hundred dollars in apps they are less likely to jump to another platform. It was pretty brilliant for both apple and android to lock people into their phones in that way.


It's great that most android apps are free.
 
2012-09-14 11:36:40 AM

kab: TNel: BarkingUnicorn: kab: I guess the 99% isn't as cash strapped as they claim to be. Huh.

This.

Because $199 is such a large amount of money.... Darn poor people with their refrigerators!

You might want to factor in the monthly fees as part of the cost of ownership? Nah.


The people upgradeing (which I would assume a good 90% are) have been paying monthly now for years anyway keep farking that chicken. Isn't Fox news doing a special on how socialist Obama is now anyway? Go watch that and let the adults talk here.
 
2012-09-14 11:38:10 AM

Zizzowop: studiomusic: Isn't hating Apple because they are Apple just like loving Apple because they are Apple?
"Oh, look at how hip I am, I love Apple!"
"Oh, look at how hip I am, I hate Apple!"

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say to someone else in this thread and I agree.


Depends, if the reason are "just because" then both sides are just as stupid. To me I dont like the iphone as much as my torch but that doesnt mean I hate the iphone, for me its the iphone users I find annoying.

I was at a bar a few weeks ago and had the nerve to pull out a non iphone in the manayunk/Philly area and immediately the plus 40yr old woman dressed like she was in her 20's started to belittle me about my "dumbberry", I told her I wasn't saying my phone was better but I like it better, and asked her to explain why the iphone was a better phone... weather it is or isnt most people who LOVE the iphone enough to look down on those who don't have one don't even know why its better, they just know it is...
 
2012-09-14 11:39:36 AM

dr_blasto: durbnpoisn: Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do? What exactly? I can find more games and apps than I can ever use. And hell, Android, SD card, I can pretty much use anything I want on it which I find that Apple seems to frown on. This would annoy me often.

I just don't get it, I guess.

I'm with you.

We went to the Verizon store a few months ago with the specific intention of getting my wife an iPhone4.
Our kids both have iPod Touches that I've been really impressed with. So I finally broke down and said, let's go and do it.

So, we get there and the sales guy says, "Are you really that stuck on Apple? You might want to consider the Android." So, I was open minded, and played with the demo model for about 10 minutes. I was so impressed with it, that I bought one for my wife AND myself! And I love the farking thing.
It's got more apps, for free, the SD card (for my huge MP3 collection), I can control the file system, and the interface is not much different than the iPhone. It's also fast, stable, and has a really cool web browser. And, as a REAL BONUS, the phone is clear and reliable. Now there's really something - a toy that actually still works primarily as a phone.

As a bonus, I got both of the phones for less than the cost of 1 outdated iPhone that uses a slower network and has almost none of the options I just described.

So all you Apple people can have fun with your iPhones. I don't get it though.

So, does Android have a Garageband equivalent? A basic multitrack recorder and editor? I never found one, nor found any interface DAC to go with it.

This is most important to me. I almost bought an iPad just for this, but because I wouldn't have a separate use for it, I found no real justification for the $500 or so dollars.


Not that I know of. But that isn't what I would use it for. If this is something that is important to you and your interests, then by all means, you are making a great point for why the device is right for you.
 
2012-09-14 11:40:07 AM

The Bestest: LasersHurt: What's the importance of this? Just that it's changed?

The change is something to watch. I'm by no means one of the "lol, Apple is doomed with Jobs dead!" people, and really it's too soon to tell, but I'll be watching Apple's next 'big' product announcement (whatever it may be) to see if there truly is a change of direction at Apple, or if the iPhone 5 is a one-off.

My other point is that yes, I will admit the zeal for the iPhone 5 is baffling to me. I can completely understand current iPhone owners wanting to upgrade; that I get. I even understand LTE being a big enough deal to upgrade from the 4S to a 5. Unless all of those pre-orders fall into those categories, I'm just kinda stumped at the popularity.


My best guess is "It's still an iPhone, it's got faster guts, bigger, newer, LTE". There are a lot of people who didn't upgrade from the 3GS or the iPhone 4 who will probably jump at it now. I suspect they, along with new iPhoners, will carry sales.

So I guess another way of saying it is "It's not a revolutionarily different iPhone, but it is the best and newest iPhone."
 
2012-09-14 11:41:39 AM
Can there really be any doubt we are actually descended from chimps?

Creationists look at something they do not understand and call it design.
Applenaughts see a shiney and fall in supplication.

I rest, 'cause it is too much work to put an Ibrick in a monkey hand in front of the obelesk. Use your imagination.
 
2012-09-14 11:41:56 AM
Jesus, you whiners. I ordered one because it's better than my 4 year old dumbphone, that's why. Same reason you got your Android/Samsung/whatever.

I hear a lot of biatching about Apple fanboys but the haters are worse. Use what you want, who cares?
 
2012-09-14 11:42:12 AM

protectyourlimbs: I was at a bar a few weeks ago and had the nerve to pull out a non iphone in the manayunk/Philly area and immediately the plus 40yr old woman dressed like she was in her 20's started to belittle me about my "dumbberry", I told her I wasn't saying my phone was better but I like it better, and asked her to explain why the iphone was a better phone... weather it is or isnt most people who LOVE the iphone enough to look down on those who don't have one don't even know why its better, they just know it is...


She would laugh at my phone
I still rock a flip phone/camera. But it's waterproof up to 10 meters and practically indestructible. Which is what I want in my mobile communications.
 
2012-09-14 11:42:31 AM

TNel: BarkingUnicorn: kab: I guess the 99% isn't as cash strapped as they claim to be. Huh.

This.

Because $199 is such a large amount of money.... Darn poor people with their refrigerators!


Like everything else, the Left has changed the meaning of the word Poor

and this is the old standby....growing up my parents were teachers and land lords, and it was a running joke in our family that our tenants had better stuff than we did.
 
2012-09-14 11:43:24 AM
I just wanna know if they put in an antenna that lets the phone part work.
I mean, you did want a phone?
 
2012-09-14 11:43:36 AM

LDM90: Jesus, you whiners. I ordered one because it's better than my 4 year old dumbphone, that's why. Same reason you got your Android/Samsung/whatever.

I hear a lot of biatching about Apple fanboys but the haters are worse. Use what you want, who cares?


snocone: Can there really be any doubt we are actually descended from chimps?

Creationists look at something they do not understand and call it design.
Applenaughts see a shiney and fall in supplication.

I rest, 'cause it is too much work to put an Ibrick in a monkey hand in front of the obelesk. Use your imagination.


Apparently, our hyper-evolved elites are rather concerned with the matter.
 
2012-09-14 11:44:32 AM

archichris: TNel: BarkingUnicorn: kab: I guess the 99% isn't as cash strapped as they claim to be. Huh.

This.

Because $199 is such a large amount of money.... Darn poor people with their refrigerators!

Like everything else, the Left has changed the meaning of the word Poor

and this is the old standby....growing up my parents were teachers and land lords, and it was a running joke in our family that our tenants had better stuff than we did.


The ceaseless march of time has changed the meaning of the word Poor. Don't blame the left.
 
2012-09-14 11:44:42 AM

LDM90: Jesus, you whiners. I ordered one because it's better than my 4 year old dumbphone, that's why. Same reason you got your Android/Samsung/whatever.

I hear a lot of biatching about Apple fanboys but the haters are worse. Use what you want, who cares?


This is Fark, you get snark for being stupid 'round here.
 
2012-09-14 11:45:13 AM

Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do? What exactly? I can find more games and apps than I can ever use. And hell, Android, SD card, I can pretty much use anything I want on it which I find that Apple seems to frown on. This would annoy me often.

I just don't get it, I guess.


I like the interface better. It's really just that simple. Also, most of the droid phones I've seen look like cheap ugly crap. The Galaxy S series is really nice, but it's way too freaking big (and I'm 6'4").

/waiting until October for mine.
 
2012-09-14 11:45:32 AM

Publikwerks: protectyourlimbs: I was at a bar a few weeks ago and had the nerve to pull out a non iphone in the manayunk/Philly area and immediately the plus 40yr old woman dressed like she was in her 20's started to belittle me about my "dumbberry", I told her I wasn't saying my phone was better but I like it better, and asked her to explain why the iphone was a better phone... weather it is or isnt most people who LOVE the iphone enough to look down on those who don't have one don't even know why its better, they just know it is...

She would laugh at my phone
I still rock a flip phone/camera. But it's waterproof up to 10 meters and practically indestructible. Which is what I want in my mobile communications.


There is apparently a process that can water proof your phone by molecular bonding or something like that. Put it in an otter box and you have an indestructible smart phone. But yeah I get what you are saying. I used to throw my old nextel phone against a wall whenever someone made fun of it and dare them to do the same with their iPhone. But in the end I need the productivity apps on my android, saves me from carrying a clipboard everywhere....and a calendar, and running back to the office to use the internet.
 
2012-09-14 11:48:04 AM

Zizzowop: kendelrio: Walker: The cult of Apple. They'll buy anything new Apple puts out, even if it's a dog turd with a red bow on it.

Chevrolet makes iPhones now?

/low hanging fruit

The cult of Apple haters, they will buy anything but Apple no matter what.


I have tried more than once to like Apple products. The only reason I have come up with is that Crestron and the other home automation companies are slow to release anything for Android if they will at all.
 
2012-09-14 11:48:24 AM

protectyourlimbs: Zizzowop: studiomusic: Isn't hating Apple because they are Apple just like loving Apple because they are Apple?
"Oh, look at how hip I am, I love Apple!"
"Oh, look at how hip I am, I hate Apple!"

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say to someone else in this thread and I agree.

Depends, if the reason are "just because" then both sides are just as stupid. To me I dont like the iphone as much as my torch but that doesnt mean I hate the iphone, for me its the iphone users I find annoying.

I was at a bar a few weeks ago and had the nerve to pull out a non iphone in the manayunk/Philly area and immediately the plus 40yr old woman dressed like she was in her 20's started to belittle me about my "dumbberry", I told her I wasn't saying my phone was better but I like it better, and asked her to explain why the iphone was a better phone... weather it is or isnt most people who LOVE the iphone enough to look down on those who don't have one don't even know why its better, they just know it is...


Yeah, anyone that does that is pretty lame. I don't even have a smart phone, because I just don't see the need. If I need to go online and check e-mail while I'm out and about, I will typically be somewhere I can bogart WiFi and use my iTouch, or if I need to do any serious stuff, I'll sit down in Starbucks with my laptop and get WiFi there. My phone is for texting and calls-that's it, and you should see the dumb looks I get with that thing.

I love gadgets, always have, but I aint spending a ton of dough on something unless I find a specific need, or it has some feature I just gotta have. My first MP3 player was an Archos-and this was before the iPod was even available. It worked great until the screen crapped out. I still have it because it can record directly into MP3 if I hook it up to my stereo and has no DRM code on the file at all. It's old school, but it serves its purpose.
 
2012-09-14 11:48:35 AM
I thought the iPhone 4 was supposed to be the stop gap? That's what everyone said last year anyways.
 
2012-09-14 11:49:13 AM

susansto-helit: I'm due for an upgrade in November. I'll probably get the 5 then. I currently have a Galaxy S. No one I know with a 4 or 4S plans to upgrade except for the fankids, though.


I've got a 4 and it feels pretty clunky nowadays. Apps, emails, webpages, etc, all open slowly, and my home button doesn't work half the time. Plus, with the 16 gig model, I have to pick and choose the music I keep on it more than I'd like to, and I run out of space for pictures pretty regularly. I've had it for two years, so my contract is up, so I'm going to get a 32 gig iPhone 5, and also dump AT&T for Verizon.
 
2012-09-14 11:49:16 AM

LasersHurt: archichris: TNel: BarkingUnicorn: kab: I guess the 99% isn't as cash strapped as they claim to be. Huh.

This.

Because $199 is such a large amount of money.... Darn poor people with their refrigerators!

Like everything else, the Left has changed the meaning of the word Poor

and this is the old standby....growing up my parents were teachers and land lords, and it was a running joke in our family that our tenants had better stuff than we did.

The ceaseless march of time has changed the meaning of the word Poor. Don't blame the left.


No really, they want poor to be a measurement of the difference between the top 1% and the bottom 1%. SO if the bottom 1% were driving last years Ferrari and sipping California sparkling wine instead of champagne, the Left would still call them poor. The part that everyone forgets is that wealth is a condition of having access to or the benefit of resources. The poor in America benefit from an annual expenditure of 2 Trillion dollars. That is an unimaginable amount of resources to leverage in support of a demographic. (there is some overlap, since everyone still gets SS even if they are rich, but the vast percentage of that 2 trill goes to people who are below middle class. )
 
2012-09-14 11:49:24 AM

archichris: I had an EVO 4g.....that should have been nick named the Battery Bane because it could eat one in less than 4 hours of heavy use. I went with the double battery, and kept a second on an external charger in my office, would change once or twice a day.


When I worked as a Sprint tech I was very frustrated by the fact that they didn't have a good alternative to that POS until the GS2. The first Epic was a much better phone but the slideout keyboard turned those away who would have bought it otherwise. On the other hand, I sold an awful lot of digitizers and batteries from my personal stock. So thanks for that, HTC.
 
2012-09-14 11:51:02 AM

Publikwerks:

Ok, backstory. I had a Video iPod(the 5th gen) and was happy with it. Got it in 06. It died around 2010, at which point I started looking at an iPod touch. However, I also started looking at Android devices, and outside of phones, there didn't seem to be much at the time.


Archos was out in 09 and had a bunch out in 10 that out spec'd the Touch, the Dell Streak was out in June 2010 and again that was better than a Touch. The thing with Android was it was still very young in late 2009 and early 2010. It didn't get much support until version 2.2.

The market for portable media players was VERY small and that was quickly filled in with tablets. The fact that Apple still makes a Touch is crazy in my eyes.
 
2012-09-14 11:52:29 AM
It's like if Call of Duty made a phone. Wonder what next year will bring....
 
2012-09-14 11:53:19 AM
Have both an iPhone 4 (that I got through work in the US in 2010) and a Samsung Galaxy S Plus that I bought once I moved to Germany in 2011. The Samsung came out at roughly the same time, cost less than half, had a bigger screen, faster OS, expandable memory, removable battery, micro USB, etc. etc. etc.

Don't get me wrong, I like my iPhone, but don't understand the premium it commands. The iPhone 5 here will cost EUR 679 (almost $900!) for what I would consider a negligible upgrade and a catch-up to what a wide array of Android phones already offer. On the other hand, the Samsung Galaxy III is about $100 cheaper at EUR 599, and is absolutely stunning in screen, performance, and a whole host of other features.

Count me as one of those who don't get it either.
 
2012-09-14 11:54:11 AM

JackieRabbit: mccallcl: For anyone complaining about how "expensive" apps are, they're much more expensive to produce than desktop programs feature-for-feature and typically cost a fraction of their desktop counterparts.

The App Store is the best thing to happen to consumers of commercial software and one of the worst for its producers. Mobile apps are low-profit affairs.

When one considers how small and efficient a mobile app has to be, one is rather impressed. I am reminded of the old USSR model of application development for the military. They gave their developers the slowest, least powerful POS computers they could find for them to use. This forced them to developing lean, efficient applications that had very high reliability.

Mobile apps are cheap, yes, but because of their low cost and ease of distribution, a good app developer can make a lot of money on a useful app. Remember, Apple only takes a small cut of the cost of an app. They also provide developers in their network development tools without cost. Some are even given grants.


Apple's 30% cut is pretty substantial if you're an existing commercial software vendor that has already set up a distribution network. You don't "need" apple to publish if you're adobe. Software margin is right around 30%, so apple's pretty much eating your profit.

For isv's, the 30% is way less than the 99% cut an employer takes. So, for small publishers, it's a great value.

Apps are still really cheap for what you're getting. Imagine a piece of commercial software of any kind for $.99. That's cheaper than a ringtone.
 
2012-09-14 11:54:35 AM

archichris: LasersHurt: archichris: TNel: BarkingUnicorn: kab: I guess the 99% isn't as cash strapped as they claim to be. Huh.

This.

Because $199 is such a large amount of money.... Darn poor people with their refrigerators!

Like everything else, the Left has changed the meaning of the word Poor

and this is the old standby....growing up my parents were teachers and land lords, and it was a running joke in our family that our tenants had better stuff than we did.

The ceaseless march of time has changed the meaning of the word Poor. Don't blame the left.

No really, they want poor to be a measurement of the difference between the top 1% and the bottom 1%. SO if the bottom 1% were driving last years Ferrari and sipping California sparkling wine instead of champagne, the Left would still call them poor. The part that everyone forgets is that wealth is a condition of having access to or the benefit of resources. The poor in America benefit from an annual expenditure of 2 Trillion dollars. That is an unimaginable amount of resources to leverage in support of a demographic. (there is some overlap, since everyone still gets SS even if they are rich, but the vast percentage of that 2 trill goes to people who are below middle class. )


What a lovely straw man, but it's meaningless.
 
2012-09-14 11:55:00 AM
LOL!

The Apple fanboys are all like "w/e I just use it because I was upgrading from my 20 year old brick phone"

And obviously iPhones are cheaper and have more carriers than any of the other types of smartphones out there? Was that the criterion for your logically aloof choice?

Please, you people are so immature and self conscious of what others might think of you because, god forbid, you don't have an iPhone.
 
2012-09-14 11:55:23 AM

archichris: Publikwerks: protectyourlimbs: I was at a bar a few weeks ago and had the nerve to pull out a non iphone in the manayunk/Philly area and immediately the plus 40yr old woman dressed like she was in her 20's started to belittle me about my "dumbberry", I told her I wasn't saying my phone was better but I like it better, and asked her to explain why the iphone was a better phone... weather it is or isnt most people who LOVE the iphone enough to look down on those who don't have one don't even know why its better, they just know it is...

She would laugh at my phone
I still rock a flip phone/camera. But it's waterproof up to 10 meters and practically indestructible. Which is what I want in my mobile communications.

There is apparently a process that can water proof your phone by molecular bonding or something like that. Put it in an otter box and you have an indestructible smart phone. But yeah I get what you are saying. I used to throw my old nextel phone against a wall whenever someone made fun of it and dare them to do the same with their iPhone. But in the end I need the productivity apps on my android, saves me from carrying a clipboard everywhere....and a calendar, and running back to the office to use the internet.


I'm sure there is alot I could do to make a smartphone indestructible. However, on top of wanting something that can take pictures and make calls underwater(which I have done), the other issue is the data plan. I will not spend Crazy money so I can have internet on the road/work. I actually also have a 3g mifi from virgin mobile that is pay as you go if I need to bring internet connectivity with me.

I am thinking about upgrading to the new touch or maybe wait and see what the new ipad mini(or whatever they call it) is going to look like. Either way, I am happy with my Apple products, and I hope your happy with your droid stuff.

Because one with spur the other to do better
 
2012-09-14 11:56:02 AM

archichris: LasersHurt: archichris: TNel: BarkingUnicorn: kab: I guess the 99% isn't as cash strapped as they claim to be. Huh.

This.

Because $199 is such a large amount of money.... Darn poor people with their refrigerators!

Like everything else, the Left has changed the meaning of the word Poor

and this is the old standby....growing up my parents were teachers and land lords, and it was a running joke in our family that our tenants had better stuff than we did.

The ceaseless march of time has changed the meaning of the word Poor. Don't blame the left.

No really, they want poor to be a measurement of the difference between the top 1% and the bottom 1%.


Umm by definition that is the difference. If you are rich you have more money than poor. I'm really confused on all of your posts since they really don't make any sense. I haven't seen many poor people with smart phones other than pay as you go low end droid ones. The problem is you are bluring the line between middle class and poor.
 
2012-09-14 11:56:54 AM
Personally, I think all smartphones are too large to be comfortably used as mobile phones, and too small to be comfortably used as computers. So I'm getting a kick ...
 
2012-09-14 11:58:17 AM

thornhill: Maybe if we knew that there wouldn't be a new iPhone for at least two years I could understand wanting to have the improved functionality for that two year period (especially the LTE), but we do know that within a year there will be a better, faster iPhone.

I'm still using my 3GS that I bought in June 2009. While it's obviously no longer the hot new toy, it has served me well while the 4G and 4GS came out. But I will upgrade to the 5 because the battery is shot and performance has become sluggish.


Pretty much this. And I'm not a huge Apple Fan by any means, but honestly, I do like my phone. But also when I got it, Android was still really limited in availability and my practical choices were essentially the iPhone or the Blackberry.

I've not upgraded my phone in 3 years now, so I will be getting the 5. But, I'm still waiting a month or two post release to do so unless I do something stupid like break or lose my current phone.
 
2012-09-14 11:58:35 AM
I used to hate Apple products. Mostly due to the smug f*cksticks that seemed to like using them.

Then I got an iPhone 4, then an iPad, then an iPhone 4S, then an iPad 2, then a Macbook Air.

They work at what they do, and do a great job of it.

Now I don't mind using Apple products, but I've transferred my hate over to smug f*cksticks completely.
 
2012-09-14 12:00:30 PM

jayphat: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I don't think there was ever any doubt that Apple would sell a bunch of these.
Still does not make it a cutting edge phone.

This. Reading about it on my RAZR MAXX and hearing the list of features, my thought was "that's it?" Really Apple. Eight hours of LTE roaming. I get +20.


Really? Because the people who tested the RAZR MAXX said it doesn't quite get five hours.

dl.dropbox.com

Or are you confused that they are talking about hours where you actually use the thing and not just leave it in your pocket?
 
2012-09-14 12:00:57 PM

The Bestest: The change is something to watch. I'm by no means one of the "lol, Apple is doomed with Jobs dead!" people, and really it's too soon to tell, but I'll be watching Apple's next 'big' product announcement (whatever it may be) to see if there truly is a change of direction at Apple, or if the iPhone 5 is a one-off.


Apple has three problems:-
1) Their highly profitable lines are becoming comodotized, and the rate of improvement means that people aren't going to buy as many phones in a few years.
2) The guy that used to work out new products they should be going into is dead.
3) The same guy used to be the final arbiter of whether the product was good enough and was insanely committed to it being exceptional.

It's actually going to be really hard to find a new area of consumer electronics that is highly profitable, because it's all "done". My iPod is big enough to hold all the music until I die. My dSLR takes photos with as many megapixels that I need. My laptop is more than fast enough. TV and monitor do everything I need. There's nothing compelling in Windows 8. My wife's Kindle does what she needs it to do. My phone is a little slow, but I ain't going to do photoshopping on it.
 
2012-09-14 12:01:06 PM

Molavian: I used to hate Apple products. Mostly due to the smug f*cksticks that seemed to like using them.

Then I got an iPhone 4, then an iPad, then an iPhone 4S, then an iPad 2, then a Macbook Air.

They work at what they do, and do a great job of it.

Now I don't mind using Apple products, but I've transferred my hate over to smug f*cksticks completely.


You just converted to the otherside is what you did.
 
2012-09-14 12:03:23 PM

TNel: Publikwerks:

Ok, backstory. I had a Video iPod(the 5th gen) and was happy with it. Got it in 06. It died around 2010, at which point I started looking at an iPod touch. However, I also started looking at Android devices, and outside of phones, there didn't seem to be much at the time.

Archos was out in 09 and had a bunch out in 10 that out spec'd the Touch, the Dell Streak was out in June 2010 and again that was better than a Touch. The thing with Android was it was still very young in late 2009 and early 2010. It didn't get much support until version 2.2.

The market for portable media players was VERY small and that was quickly filled in with tablets. The fact that Apple still makes a Touch is crazy in my eyes.


Well, I saw a few of the tablets and whatnot, and I wasn't impressed. If I remember right, they were in beta with the first version that supported flash (2.2 I think?) Had they had that squared away, I might be using an Android device right now.
 
2012-09-14 12:03:43 PM

Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do? What exactly? I can find more games and apps than I can ever use. And hell, Android, SD card, I can pretty much use anything I want on it which I find that Apple seems to frown on. This would annoy me often.

I just don't get it, I guess.


I've had a few Android phones. After less than a year, they get buggy, slow, and annoying after a while. I would do updates whenever they came out, and it never seemed to make things better. And I don't have the time or inclination to fiddle around with Cyanogen mods or whatever is out there.

I then bought the iPhone 4 when it came out for Verizon (February of 2011 I think?), so I've had it for over a year now. Has not slowed down or gotten buggy, and has run perfectly fine right out of the box.

Now, yes, I admit, I'm not a programmer. I don't mod my electronics (except when I installed a larger hard drive for my PS3 system, but that's easy shiat). I have seen a lot of folks on Fark talk about how superior Android is, but only for the fact that they can mod it and tweak it and do crazy things with it. Admittedly, it's harder to do with iOS. Some of the Android fans look down on anyone who really don't care about doing such things with their phone operating system. But, seriously, some people don't want to futz around with their phone like that. It's not because we are stupid, it's just that we don't have that need to fiddle and tweak. I like that the iPhone works exactly as I want it to. That's why I'm a fan.
 
2012-09-14 12:04:01 PM

TNel: Molavian: I used to hate Apple products. Mostly due to the smug f*cksticks that seemed to like using them.

Then I got an iPhone 4, then an iPad, then an iPhone 4S, then an iPad 2, then a Macbook Air.

They work at what they do, and do a great job of it.

Now I don't mind using Apple products, but I've transferred my hate over to smug f*cksticks completely.

You just converted to the otherside is what you did.


Right, because there's no way to own a product from a manufacturer without "converting to their side."

/guess that makes me a polytheist
 
2012-09-14 12:05:04 PM

durbnpoisn: As far as the whole Apple vs Android debate goes...

I have nothing bad to say about the iPhone. And my kids LOVE their iPod Touches (which are essentially the same thing). Plus, it seems pretty obvious that Android took a LOT of their ideas, certainly for the interface, directly from the iPhone.

I think my biggest problem with the iPhone is the lack of flexibility over the system itself (like a lack of an SD card), and the inability to control something as simple as you MP3 library. Apple seems to be under the impression that they have a better idea about how to organize all your files, and you just better keep your hands out of it.
Now, on the other hand, if you are not a regular computer user like myself, perhaps that's a good thing. Because if you don't know what you are doing you can really fark stuff up.

As an amusing side point... I haven't seen a single thing in this thread about Windows phones.
//I'm pointing at MS and laughing right now.


MS does one thing well with PC Hardware and peripherals. They over-engineer the hell out of them. I wish they would have those engineers work on the Xbox360 but meh. The windows phones I have messed with arent bad at all, but they still need some refinement.

All of the various MS mice and Keyboards I have, work without issue. I have a Trackball Explorer from 2002(if not earlier) that still works with no issues, Those mice have a cultlike following. My Zune and ZuneHD have no real issues other than the battery in the Zune is barely holding a charge anymore. Both of them have gone all over the US with me and worked with minimal issues in -12F to 115F temps.
 
2012-09-14 12:05:06 PM

TNel: Molavian: I used to hate Apple products. Mostly due to the smug f*cksticks that seemed to like using them.

Then I got an iPhone 4, then an iPad, then an iPhone 4S, then an iPad 2, then a Macbook Air.

They work at what they do, and do a great job of it.

Now I don't mind using Apple products, but I've transferred my hate over to smug f*cksticks completely.

You just converted to the otherside is what you did.


Can we all just agree to hate on smug assholes regardless of what they use for mobile devices?
 
2012-09-14 12:07:31 PM

Publikwerks: Do you have 2 batteries?


Yes. I have an extended battery in my phone right now, plus the original that I can quickly swap out if the extended one goes bad.

/Assuming of course I can find the bastard.
 
2012-09-14 12:07:40 PM

Publikwerks: TNel: Publikwerks:

Ok, backstory. I had a Video iPod(the 5th gen) and was happy with it. Got it in 06. It died around 2010, at which point I started looking at an iPod touch. However, I also started looking at Android devices, and outside of phones, there didn't seem to be much at the time.

Archos was out in 09 and had a bunch out in 10 that out spec'd the Touch, the Dell Streak was out in June 2010 and again that was better than a Touch. The thing with Android was it was still very young in late 2009 and early 2010. It didn't get much support until version 2.2.

The market for portable media players was VERY small and that was quickly filled in with tablets. The fact that Apple still makes a Touch is crazy in my eyes.

Well, I saw a few of the tablets and whatnot, and I wasn't impressed. If I remember right, they were in beta with the first version that supported flash (2.2 I think?) Had they had that squared away, I might be using an Android device right now.


So the iPod Touch had Flash support? That's news to me.


Can we all just agree to hate on smug assholes regardless of what they use for mobile devices?


Agree
 
2012-09-14 12:08:20 PM
You get more mileage from a cheap set of sneakers
 
2012-09-14 12:12:21 PM

LasersHurt: TNel: Molavian: I used to hate Apple products. Mostly due to the smug f*cksticks that seemed to like using them.

Then I got an iPhone 4, then an iPad, then an iPhone 4S, then an iPad 2, then a Macbook Air.

They work at what they do, and do a great job of it.

Now I don't mind using Apple products, but I've transferred my hate over to smug f*cksticks completely.

You just converted to the otherside is what you did.

Right, because there's no way to own a product from a manufacturer without "converting to their side."

/guess that makes me a polytheist


He doesn't own a product he own's the entire line of products.
 
2012-09-14 12:12:37 PM
Wife is due for an upgrade (Verizon) in October and I'm pretty well sure she'll go with whatever iPhone is there at the time.

/ made her swear that she's at least consider the Samsung Galaxy s3.
// she'll still go for whatever iteration of iPhone is available from Verizon.
/// farking love my Motorola Droid Razr Maxx.
//// did have an Apple iPhone 3 (and it was fine.)
 
2012-09-14 12:12:49 PM

Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do? What exactly? I can find more games and apps than I can ever use. And hell, Android, SD card, I can pretty much use anything I want on it which I find that Apple seems to frown on. This would annoy me often.

I just don't get it, I guess.


Being seen carrying the newest portable gadget is an easy way for them to prop up their frail ego - an important ability in a Kardasian-centric society.
 
2012-09-14 12:13:06 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: Publikwerks: Do you have 2 batteries?

Yes. I have an extended battery in my phone right now, plus the original that I can quickly swap out if the extended one goes bad.

/Assuming of course I can find the bastard.


Doesn't count if you can't find it. =)
 
2012-09-14 12:13:31 PM

TNel: The market for portable media players was VERY small and that was quickly filled in with tablets. The fact that Apple still makes a Touch is crazy in my eyes.


Eh, it's basically their main music player now. And they've been pushing it as a mobile gaming device for a couple years. They just make the the classic iPod for people who still need to carry every song they own at all times.
 
2012-09-14 12:15:32 PM

Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do? What exactly? I can find more games and apps than I can ever use. And hell, Android, SD card, I can pretty much use anything I want on it which I find that Apple seems to frown on. This would annoy me often.

I just don't get it, I guess.


Yes, everyone who buys products you don't are fanboys.
 
2012-09-14 12:17:03 PM

whosits_112: Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do? What exactly? I can find more games and apps than I can ever use. And hell, Android, SD card, I can pretty much use anything I want on it which I find that Apple seems to frown on. This would annoy me often.

I just don't get it, I guess.

I've had a few Android phones. After less than a year, they get buggy, slow, and annoying after a while. I would do updates whenever they came out, and it never seemed to make things better. And I don't have the time or inclination to fiddle around with Cyanogen mods or whatever is out there.

I then bought the iPhone 4 when it came out for Verizon (February of 2011 I think?), so I've had it for over a year now. Has not slowed down or gotten buggy, and has run perfectly fine right out of the box.

Now, yes, I admit, I'm not a programmer. I don't mod my electronics (except when I installed a larger hard drive for my PS3 system, but that's easy shiat). I have seen a lot of folks on Fark talk about how superior Android is, but only for the fact that they can mod it and tweak it and do crazy things with it. Admittedly, it's harder to do with iOS. Some of the Android fans look down on anyone who really don't care about doing such things with their phone operating system. But, seriously, some people don't want to futz around with their phone like that. It's not because we are stupid, it's just that we don't have that need to fiddle and tweak. I like that the iPhone works exactly as I want it to. That's why I'm a fan.


I understand that mentality. I recommend Apple to most people I know for that reason. Most people don't think of things they want to do with their electronics, and then set out to do them. With Apple thay would be a royal pain. But when iOS everywhere they will come across a lot of cool stuff on the market, their friends, or advertisements. And they will use them, and usually not really question what they can't do with it since they've never really tried to do something not offered to them first.

Android phans tend to be the opposite. Their are pros to iOS over Android, but the inquisitive nature tend to over ride the cons. I'm not a techie either, or a programmer. But I like rooting my device to run speciality apps and tether with my unlimited plan. Tethering alone probably saves me thousands of dollars. I also bring a prime infinity where ever I go so any serious applications I can do much more than a little phone, and don't have to pay data to another device. As for my laptop and desktop, well I easily saved ten grand for the same specs or benchmarks.

Bugginess does get aggravating on androids. I feel there is always a risk with any new device you have to research all the different models, and I seriously lol when i see people at best buy pick up last years galaxy tab going for $400.

Apple takes the thinking out of it. That alone makes it worthwhile to most people. At least for consumer devices. I would not vouch for their laptops and desktops at all.
 
2012-09-14 12:17:13 PM

adragontattoo:

MS does one thing well with PC Hardware and peripherals. They over-engineer the hell out of them. I wish they would have those engineers work on the Xbox360 but meh. The windows phones I have messed with arent bad at all, but they still need some refinement.

All of the various MS mice and Keyboards I have, work without issue. I have a Trackball Explorer from 2002(if not earlier) that still works with no issues, Those mice have a cultlike following. My Zune and ZuneHD have no real issues other than the battery in the Zune is barely holding a charge anymore. Both of them have gone all over the US with me and worked with minimal issues in -12F to 115F temps.


In many ways, I appreciate what Microsoft has contributed to the world. Some of the things you mentioned are on the list. I'll add to it that Visual Studio and SQL server are both pretty excellent (if not easily replaceable).
But their incessant need to upgrade and phase things out that don't need to be upgraded and phased out (like their last 3 OSs, for instance, or MS Office), and their constant need to force you to upgrade hardware because their new OS won't support what you just bought 2 years ago anymore, etc, etc... That is all just a little ridiculous. My final point on the list is that they ALWAYS try to create a competing product when someone else out there (like Apple) creates something. They seem to have succeeded pretty well with the XBox360, I'll give them that. But they have failed across the board with their phones and MP3 players. Don't even mention their attempts to beat Palm at the PDA.

I sometimes wish there were a way to just smack them in the head and tell them to stick to what they know and let some other companies make things.
 
2012-09-14 12:17:46 PM

Farking Canuck: Surpheon: Yup, the iPhone has become the Blackberry'esque boring option for old people who just want their hand computer to work.

Honest question: do you believe that Android or Windows 'hand computers' don't 'just work'?


My boss uses an iPhone and most of my colleagues do also, and the majority of apps I use were found and recommended by them. So for the same reason I am pretty much locked into Windows PCs and laptops, I am similarly locked into iPhone (I probably should have stated that I use it pretty heavily for work and rely on some fairly specialized apps).

My wife has an Android. Works fine.
 
2012-09-14 12:18:24 PM

MayContainHorseGluten: Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do? What exactly? I can find more games and apps than I can ever use. And hell, Android, SD card, I can pretty much use anything I want on it which I find that Apple seems to frown on. This would annoy me often.

I just don't get it, I guess.

Yes, everyone who buys products you don't are fanboys.


Dude - are you seriously denying that Apple Fanbois exist? Your Flat Earther card is showing, 'G.
 
2012-09-14 12:18:57 PM

thornhill: As a Mac person, I really don't get the people who buy each new version of the iPhone.


As a developer, I can answer you: we need to test our apps on various platforms. Our Android devs are always pulling their hair out because they can't just buy every model out there when someone reports a bug...

/though I'm sticking with my 4 personally, iOS6 seems to have sped it up
//the 5 will be a company phone
 
2012-09-14 12:20:50 PM

The Only Sane Man In Florida: You could stamp the apple logo on a dog turd and apple fans would be throwing their money at there local apple store employees to get their hands on it.


This is what Android users actually think?

/you guys are crazy
//keep telling yourself this, then you might actually believe it
 
2012-09-14 12:22:15 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I don't think there was ever any doubt that Apple would sell a bunch of these.
Still does not make it a cutting edge phone.


This +100. It's an upgrade. Nothing all that new, but an upgrade nonetheless. Not really designed to bring in those who use BB or Android.
 
2012-09-14 12:25:37 PM
I like iPhones because they feel faster and more stable. They're also a hell of a lot nicer on the outside. I mean, they just feel and look better than a vast majority of Android devices. That's why I use an iPhone 4. I have an HTC One X and a Xoom as well, but I decided I'm done with android for a while. I've just been burned too much. I liked those devices because they feel nice and look good (though the HTC has 6 farking dead pixels that taunt me whenever the screen goes to black), but the software just isn't where it needs to be. Honeycomb was especially shiatty... Just a big ol' "fark you" to tablet users.

Android as an OS just leaves a lot to be desired. Crashes, app incompatibility, laginess (how can multitasking be so farking hard with a dual- or quad-core processor?!), random bugs.... And Jelly Bean, which is supposed to be a huge step up in terms of speed and stability, is unavailable (for the Xoom that's partly my fault... I got tired of waiting forever for ICS and loaded a custom ROM, which will be a pain in the dick to switch over from... who'da guessed they'd come out with JB right away?). I'm done with farking Android for a bit, no matter how good the specs are on that plasticky POS Galaxy S3.
 
2012-09-14 12:27:31 PM

MayContainHorseGluten: The Only Sane Man In Florida: You could stamp the apple logo on a dog turd and apple fans would be throwing their money at there local apple store employees to get their hands on it.

This is what Android users actually think?

/you guys are crazy
//keep telling yourself this, then you might actually believe it



iOS is fine, no need to jailbreak. Everything just works - that's exactly what My Fair Lady wants. She needs the phone to make sense out of the box. I support her in that.

/that said, Apple has built such a loyal fanbase that they can bank on users jumping from the previous version directly to the newest. And these users aren't necessarily technically competent either. They just know that iPhone 5 must be better than their year-old iPhone 4.
 
2012-09-14 12:27:47 PM
My HTC Incredible (the original) runs Linux. Can the iPhone 5 do that? Can you write some code in Emacs and compile it with GCC on the iPhone 5? Can you SSH into a server on the iPhone 5? I don't think so. Apple doesn't let you use the iPhone for any purpose that they don't approve of. You can't even replace the battery. I noticed one commenter saying he was upgrading to the 5 because his 4S battery is shot. He must be rich or something to think that buying a new phone is a reasonable fix for a bad battery. The iPhone is for iMbeciles.
 
2012-09-14 12:29:39 PM
Butt, Butt, Butt........ It plays songs!

www.saynotocrack.com
 
2012-09-14 12:29:45 PM
A seriously overpriced product is used as a fashion/status symbol. I'd be grossed out by such consumerism but it's been going on since ancient times.If it wasn't an Apple product it would be something else you'd be packing around or wearing.
 
2012-09-14 12:31:07 PM

ChuDogg: I thought the iPhone 4 was supposed to be the stop gap? That's what everyone said last year anyways.


I think we're on stage 4 of the iProduct life cycle.

1: Apple releases much-hyped iProduct that is prettier and easier to use than the competition
2: New iProduct sells like hotcakes. Apple fanboys get smug.
3: Competition catches up. Apple fanboys remain smug.
4: Competition innovates further while Apple releases iterative updates. Apple fanboys remain smug.
 
2012-09-14 12:32:56 PM

whosits_112: I've had a few Android phones. After less than a year, they get buggy, slow, and annoying after a while. I would do updates whenever they came out, and it never seemed to make things better. And I don't have the time or inclination to fiddle around with Cyanogen mods or whatever is out there.

I then bought the iPhone 4 when it came out for Verizon (February of 2011 I think?), so I've had it for over a year now. Has not slowed down or gotten buggy, and has run perfectly fine right out of the box.


You're confusing the difference between two time periods with the difference in operating systems. Over time, as software becomes more and more mature, less and less gets added to it. When I had a 486/33, upgrading Word made it almost intolerable. You could run the latest office on a 5 year old PC and it would be fine.

Likewise, my HTC Magic ran like a dog after some upgrades, but my Nexus S originally had Gingerbread 18 months ago. It's been upgraded to ICS and now is on Jellybean and it's still pretty fast.
 
2012-09-14 12:33:28 PM
NowhereMon: "That's funny, I placed an order for one for my wife like 2 minutes ago."

But you'll have to wait like *2 extra weeks* !!

/ gadget blogs write the dumbest shiat
// sadly, because people will click on it.
 
2012-09-14 12:33:46 PM
There sure are a lot of people here who absolutely refuse to stop liking what other people don't like. I don't like it.
 
2012-09-14 12:36:00 PM
i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-14 12:36:16 PM
for all you wankers whining about the lack of NFC support - how often have you used NFC?

according to the guy at american express who's in charge of getting NFC adopted, widespread adoption is 4-6 years out. so what's the point of including an NFC chip now, and driving up the price of the phone?

Link
 
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2012-09-14 12:38:26 PM
4 years 2 different iPhones and I have never had 1 problem with either of them. I'm on my phone constantly. I will upgrade to the 5 from the 4 because the speed difference will be major.

That being said I will stick with iPhone because I have a Mac an iPad and apple tv. Yes I'm traped, but at least I'm trapped with products that are high quality and don't break On me.

I can afford it so who cares.
 
2012-09-14 12:39:18 PM

MayContainHorseGluten: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I don't think there was ever any doubt that Apple would sell a bunch of these.
Still does not make it a cutting edge phone.

This +100. It's an upgrade. Nothing all that new, but an upgrade nonetheless. Not really designed to bring in those who use BB or Android.


See, I find this amusing, because for the first time Apple upgraded every single component in their phone at the same time.

The CPU is ARM's brand new A15 instead of the older A9's everyone has been using for the last couple of years. CPU performance is roughly doubled.

The GPU is 2x the performance of the last iPhone.

The screen is larger and the color saturation and color accuracy are improved.

The wireless functions are upgraded to Intel's brand spanking new low power version of LTE, WiFi, and Bluetooth that are faster while drawing less power.

The cameras are improved.

The battery life is improved despite the device being thinner and lighter.

In the past, a couple of components would be improved while the rest stayed the same, but this year they upgraded everything at once.
 
2012-09-14 12:40:02 PM

TNel: He doesn't own a product he own's the entire line of products.


There's an ecosystem across the products that works well together. While you don't have to go all-mac to use the stuff, doing so is probably really nice. I know other people who are all-mac and enjoy that all of their stuff is easily and neatly shared amongst them.

Still don't have to be a "fanboy" to do that.
 
2012-09-14 12:43:27 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Flakeloaf: [www.thetelecomblog.com image 313x237]

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My default in-person send off to a person I know I'll see again soon is "...and I'll see YOU....at StacyCon '94".

/about three people have gotten it in the few years I've been doing it
 
2012-09-14 12:45:38 PM
I went to upgrade this morning online at ATT... I was able to select the iPhone 5 with a delivery date of Sept 21, but when I went to customize the account options, I could no longer select a $5 text plan, as I text very rarely. Now the only options are unlimited for 20 bucks, or no plan which is 20 cents per text, 30 cents per MMS... therefore, I cancelled the upgrade.

F*CK YOU, AT&T. I refuse to get ass raped by you changing your shiatty "plans" each time a new phone comes out. I already got shafted out of my unlimited data when I upgraded to the iPhone 4, as the sales monkey insisted I was not eligible (I had it since the beginning. Further calls to AT&T were met with assertions that yes, I was eligible but that it was too late now- basically telling me to go piss up a rope.)

Again, F*CK YOU VERY MUCH.
 
2012-09-14 12:45:58 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: There sure are a lot of people here who absolutely refuse to stop liking what other people don't like. I don't like it.


Brilliant.
 
2012-09-14 12:46:25 PM

shiate: for all you wankers whining about the lack of NFC support - how often have you used NFC?

according to the guy at american express who's in charge of getting NFC adopted, widespread adoption is 4-6 years out. so what's the point of including an NFC chip now, and driving up the price of the phone?

Link


And flash was going to die in 1 year after iPhones were not going to support it. Projections like that are about as bad as the Mayan calander saying we are all going to die soon.
 
2012-09-14 12:46:42 PM

The Quaalude Renaissance: Is there an Android app that will cause people to envy my non iPhone?


Yeah, it's called the OS.
 
2012-09-14 12:47:47 PM

MayContainHorseGluten: thornhill: As a Mac person, I really don't get the people who buy each new version of the iPhone.

As a developer, I can answer you: we need to test our apps on various platforms. Our Android devs are always pulling their hair out because they can't just buy every model out there when someone reports a bug...

/though I'm sticking with my 4 personally, iOS6 seems to have sped it up
//the 5 will be a company phone


How many of the people camping out of the Mac store the night before the release are actually developers?
 
2012-09-14 12:48:37 PM

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Apple: Let's make it longer and get rid of the now-standard-on-everything plug we've been using for 10 years!
Apple product fans: TAKE MY MONEY! AND TAKE MORE SO I CAN HAVE A NEW DOCK THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH IT!

You could stamp the apple logo on a dog turd and apple fans would be throwing their money at there local apple store employees to get their hands on it.


It's probably already been pointed out but Apple showed in the press conference that they are also releasing an adapter so you don't have to repurchase all the accessories.
 
2012-09-14 12:48:40 PM

Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do?


any statement where you refer to others as fanboys in conjunction with claims like "my [device X Y Z] does [function A B C] just as good or better" instantly invalidates your argument.
 
2012-09-14 12:53:03 PM

cards fan by association: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Apple: Let's make it longer and get rid of the now-standard-on-everything plug we've been using for 10 years!
Apple product fans: TAKE MY MONEY! AND TAKE MORE SO I CAN HAVE A NEW DOCK THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH IT!

You could stamp the apple logo on a dog turd and apple fans would be throwing their money at there local apple store employees to get their hands on it.

It's probably already been pointed out but Apple showed in the press conference that they are also releasing an adapter so you don't have to repurchase all the accessories.


And the adapter is said to not work with everything so you will have to buy it and find out if it works for you or not.
 
2012-09-14 12:54:52 PM

biyaaatci: my alt's alt's alt: i used to work for apple. never owned a single one of their products. simple, uncustomizable crap for simple people who prefer to give a company money to think for them.

i worked in IT and apple users are by far the least "computer illiterate". and you should see the internal memos at apple on how they strive to keep their customer base uninformed and uneducated about their products...


How beautifully ironic.
 
2012-09-14 12:55:33 PM

numbquil: My HTC Incredible (the original) runs Linux. Can the iPhone 5 do that? Can you write some code in Emacs and compile it with GCC on the iPhone 5? Can you SSH into a server on the iPhone 5? I don't think so. Apple doesn't let you use the iPhone for any purpose that they don't approve of. You can't even replace the battery. I noticed one commenter saying he was upgrading to the 5 because his 4S battery is shot. He must be rich or something to think that buying a new phone is a reasonable fix for a bad battery. The iPhone is for iMbeciles.


Why in God's name would I want to write code on a 4 inch display? But yes, you can. Using vnc or citrix, you can do this stuff on ios devices.

I can view flash websites on my touch. There are ways to do what you need to do. Getting into a pissing match is just geek bravado. Appreciate what each platform brings to the table and make informed decisions. And respect the informed decisions of others.
 
2012-09-14 12:56:07 PM

LasersHurt: On a yearly cycle, does being 6 months off hurt that much?


Hipster: "I was into [some obscure thing] before it was 'cool.'"
Nerd: "I was using [some emerging technology] since it was in beta."

In short, to a nerd, six months of not using the latest, greatest is in fact, very painful. But they use the same reasoning to shower hatred upon Apple fanboys who have to have the latest, greatest iGadget the day it comes out. Cognitive dissonance immunity is key to being a nerd, I guess.
 
2012-09-14 12:58:46 PM

robhidalgo: biyaaatci: my alt's alt's alt: i used to work for apple. never owned a single one of their products. simple, uncustomizable crap for simple people who prefer to give a company money to think for them.

i worked in IT and apple users are by far the least "computer illiterate". and you should see the internal memos at apple on how they strive to keep their customer base uninformed and uneducated about their products...

How beautifully ironic.


Let's see if he responds to you and repeats his mistake, like he did with me.
 
2012-09-14 12:59:03 PM

Zizzowop: protectyourlimbs: Zizzowop: studiomusic: Isn't hating Apple because they are Apple just like loving Apple because they are Apple?
"Oh, look at how hip I am, I love Apple!"
"Oh, look at how hip I am, I hate Apple!"

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say to someone else in this thread and I agree.

Depends, if the reason are "just because" then both sides are just as stupid. To me I dont like the iphone as much as my torch but that doesnt mean I hate the iphone, for me its the iphone users I find annoying.

I was at a bar a few weeks ago and had the nerve to pull out a non iphone in the manayunk/Philly area and immediately the plus 40yr old woman dressed like she was in her 20's started to belittle me about my "dumbberry", I told her I wasn't saying my phone was better but I like it better, and asked her to explain why the iphone was a better phone... weather it is or isnt most people who LOVE the iphone enough to look down on those who don't have one don't even know why its better, they just know it is...

Yeah, anyone that does that is pretty lame. I don't even have a smart phone, because I just don't see the need. If I need to go online and check e-mail while I'm out and about, I will typically be somewhere I can bogart WiFi and use my iTouch, or if I need to do any serious stuff, I'll sit down in Starbucks with my laptop and get WiFi there. My phone is for texting and calls-that's it, and you should see the dumb looks I get with that thing.

I love gadgets, always have, but I aint spending a ton of dough on something unless I find a specific need, or it has some feature I just gotta have. My first MP3 player was an Archos-and this was before the iPod was even available. It worked great until the screen crapped out. I still have it because it can record directly into MP3 if I hook it up to my stereo and has no DRM code on the file at all. It's old school, but it serves its purpose.


As stupid as I might sound, this is one of the smartest things I have heard in regards to owning whatever smart phone is the new "it"

Most people have about $100 a month bill for things they will never use or need just because its the thing, not many people can break out of the mindset of just having what they need because other people with "smart" phones might look down on them.

/I do enjoy my blackberry torch but only because I do not pay for it, the second I have to foot the bill its no longer needed
 
2012-09-14 01:03:22 PM

TNel: cards fan by association: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Apple: Let's make it longer and get rid of the now-standard-on-everything plug we've been using for 10 years!
Apple product fans: TAKE MY MONEY! AND TAKE MORE SO I CAN HAVE A NEW DOCK THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH IT!

You could stamp the apple logo on a dog turd and apple fans would be throwing their money at there local apple store employees to get their hands on it.

It's probably already been pointed out but Apple showed in the press conference that they are also releasing an adapter so you don't have to repurchase all the accessories.

And the adapter is said to not work with everything so you will have to buy it and find out if it works for you or not.


Who said that? I don't have any accessories, just wondering...
 
2012-09-14 01:03:29 PM

cards fan by association: It's probably already been pointed out but Apple showed in the press conference that they are also releasing an adapter so you don't have to repurchase all the accessories.


Has your vision pointed out that most of the ipod docks out there built into other devices won't be able to hold an idevice upright when the adapter is put into the dock first?
 
2012-09-14 01:03:54 PM

Publikwerks: protectyourlimbs: I was at a bar a few weeks ago and had the nerve to pull out a non iphone in the manayunk/Philly area and immediately the plus 40yr old woman dressed like she was in her 20's started to belittle me about my "dumbberry", I told her I wasn't saying my phone was better but I like it better, and asked her to explain why the iphone was a better phone... weather it is or isnt most people who LOVE the iphone enough to look down on those who don't have one don't even know why its better, they just know it is...

She would laugh at my phone
I still rock a flip phone/camera. But it's waterproof up to 10 meters and practically indestructible. Which is what I want in my mobile communications.


I loved the flip phones, would still have one but once my job gave me a phone i decided that even my $30 a month bill was no longer needed, I tried the razor once when it first came out and broke within a week, cingular actually just let me hand back a broken phone with no questions and pick a new one
 
2012-09-14 01:10:26 PM

swaxhog: Rev.K: Carth: Once someone spends a few hundred dollars in apps they are less likely to jump to another platform.

How the f*ck do you spend "a few hundred dollars" on apps?

My total spend on apps with my Android phone of 18 months is about $10.

Because there's thousands (out of hundreds of thousands) of games and applications that are extremely well done and worth paying money for. I don't have a problem paying people for the work they do and don't expect all software to be free. I also don't balk at paying $1.99 for an app I may use for a week and beat it or move on to something else.


Me, I just use appshopper to wait for apps to go cheap or free. If I like them, I do in-app purchases. If I really like them, I tell other people to buy them. And if the developer does a really consistently good job, then maybe I buy the next game at launch.

I'm all for putting your money where your mouth is, but so many iOS games go free or 99 cents for promotional periods that it's silly to pay full price out of anything more than conscience.
 
2012-09-14 01:13:26 PM

protectyourlimbs: As stupid as I might sound, this is one of the smartest things I have heard in regards to owning whatever smart phone is the new "it"

Most people have about $100 a month bill for things they will never use or need just because its the thing, not many people can break out of the mindset of just having what they need because other people with "smart" phones might look down on them.

/I do enjoy my blackberry torch but only because I do not pay for it, the second I have to foot the bill its no longer needed


Meh. I spend a lot of money on things I merely enjoy. Movies, concerts, video games, etc. What's one more thing, especially when it's actually not all that much these days?

Then again, I'm not paying Apple/AT&T prices for mine.
 
2012-09-14 01:15:56 PM

cards fan by association: TNel: cards fan by association: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Apple: Let's make it longer and get rid of the now-standard-on-everything plug we've been using for 10 years!
Apple product fans: TAKE MY MONEY! AND TAKE MORE SO I CAN HAVE A NEW DOCK THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH IT!

You could stamp the apple logo on a dog turd and apple fans would be throwing their money at there local apple store employees to get their hands on it.

It's probably already been pointed out but Apple showed in the press conference that they are also releasing an adapter so you don't have to repurchase all the accessories.

And the adapter is said to not work with everything so you will have to buy it and find out if it works for you or not.

Who said that? I don't have any accessories, just wondering...


Link I saw a different article talking about it but this one has some info on it.
 
2012-09-14 01:16:44 PM

JackieRabbit: I'm not buying it because I think it's the most advanced, cutting edge phone. I'm buying it because it's the reliable standard. Yup, the iPhone has become the Blackberry'esque boring option for old people who just want their hand computer to work.

Anyone who thinks an iPhone/iPad is old and busted doesn't know anything about them.


Being the boring standard is not the same as old and busted. It's a good position to be in, and Apple - through their long refresh cycles and clear strategy of not implementing emerging techs until they've matured - seems to agree.
 
2012-09-14 01:27:41 PM

fluffy2097: Jon iz teh kewl: or buy the $999 GPS application

Oh wow. I bought GPS software and a GPS receiver and a computer to run it on for less then that.

/P.T. Barnum's spirit is clearly alive and well.
//A fool and his money are soon parted.


Jobs did P.T.Barnum one better, but making them easily recognizable by white ear buds and then concentrating them like fish in a barrel walled garden.
 
2012-09-14 01:29:19 PM

Farking Canuck: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Apple: Let's make it longer and get rid of the now-standard-on-everything plug we've been using for 10 years!

I am the biggest Apple hater out there but the fact is that they had to get rid of that ancient, giant 30-pin connector. They should have joined the rest of the world at micro USB but that's Apple for you.


MayContainHorseGluten: The Only Sane Man In Florida: You could stamp the apple logo on a dog turd and apple fans would be throwing their money at there local apple store employees to get their hands on it.

This is what Android users actually think?

/you guys are crazy
//keep telling yourself this, then you might actually believe it


>Implying I'm an android user
Grabbing at straws there, hoss. Apple fans are some of the most virulent and hopelessly loyal fans out there. Second only to "Republicans". Whereas the Republican party could change its position on ANYthing 180 degrees and the core would vote right along with it, no matter how strongly they supported the previous position - Apple can release a minor "upgrade" and apple fans will wait for days outside of the stores and shovel their cash over the counter to have the new "improved" gadget which is basically the same as the old one.
 
2012-09-14 01:30:44 PM

Farking Canuck: I am the biggest Apple hater out there but the fact is that they had to get rid of that ancient, giant 30-pin connector. They should have joined the rest of the world at micro USB but that's Apple for you.


Micro USB doesn't have the analog audio channels they need to work with certain external speakers.
 
2012-09-14 01:35:03 PM

protectyourlimbs: Publikwerks: protectyourlimbs: I was at a bar a few weeks ago and had the nerve to pull out a non iphone in the manayunk/Philly area and immediately the plus 40yr old woman dressed like she was in her 20's started to belittle me about my "dumbberry", I told her I wasn't saying my phone was better but I like it better, and asked her to explain why the iphone was a better phone... weather it is or isnt most people who LOVE the iphone enough to look down on those who don't have one don't even know why its better, they just know it is...

She would laugh at my phone
I still rock a flip phone/camera. But it's waterproof up to 10 meters and practically indestructible. Which is what I want in my mobile communications.

I loved the flip phones, would still have one but once my job gave me a phone i decided that even my $30 a month bill was no longer needed, I tried the razor once when it first came out and broke within a week, cingular actually just let me hand back a broken phone with no questions and pick a new one


Hey, free phone is best phone.

I think once I have to, I'll just get a used iPhone5, and put it on simple talk or one of the other unlimited cheap plans, like virgin mobile.

Really, at this point, it all about what you prefer. I mean, Apple was first, and their products are slick. And it took Android phones a bit to get there. But both are pretty slick at this point.
 
2012-09-14 01:41:13 PM
I am not a fanboy. I am a pc gamer. However, I have a 4s and I used to have a 4, which is now Mrs. rattchett's. They've been great phones. I would buy another in a heartbeat. I also have had a Nano since they were released and it still works great. I think the devices I have purchased from Apple have all been great products.

They're dicks on the ip side with petal head screws, etc.
 
2012-09-14 01:42:21 PM

Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do? What exactly? I can find more games and apps than I can ever use. And hell, Android, SD card, I can pretty much use anything I want on it which I find that Apple seems to frown on. This would annoy me often.

I just don't get it, I guess.


Yes, there are differences. I run a Mac desktop, iPad and AppleTV, as well.

I can do things like have my music collection on the Mac, hook the AppleTV to my DAC, and use the iPad or iPhone as a remote control to play music. It's like a Sooloos on the cheap and it's a killer app for me. The integration is terrific, which keeps me in the ecosystem.

Android is OK. I'm sure I'd be OK with it if I had to use it. But I don't think I'd get that seamless integration Apple has.

For the record, I keep a Linux box around and like to poke around with it. But for day-to-day work and communication, Apple just works better. I never have to fark with things, it just works. And now that I have everything talking to each other, it's really nice.

Linux works great, too, but only after you've set everything up. That can be a pain.
 
2012-09-14 01:48:41 PM
STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!!! WAHH.

The energy you people spend on hating on someone else's phone amuses me. No wonder shiat never gets done in the office.

Posted from my Smartphone.
 
2012-09-14 01:49:40 PM

Ninja Otter: Farking Canuck: I am the biggest Apple hater out there but the fact is that they had to get rid of that ancient, giant 30-pin connector. They should have joined the rest of the world at micro USB but that's Apple for you.

Micro USB doesn't have the analog audio channels they need to work with certain external speakers.


my previous smartphone (a HTC Tilt2) did the audio-out over its mini-usb connector... 3 years ago.
 
2012-09-14 01:49:52 PM
Tell you what AT&T, drop the $300.00 deposit you want me to pay and we'll talk.
 
2012-09-14 01:51:14 PM
The fact that people argue and get angry over what phone a complete stranger chooses to use is the funniest shiat ever.
 
2012-09-14 01:51:36 PM
Nobody on twitter would answer my question, so I'm going to ask Fark.

I currently have a droid 2(Verizon, have to stay verizon for work discount). I am really considering switching to the iphone 5, but here is one of my main problems. If someone sends me a text or calls me while I'm listening to the SiriusXM app or watching The daily show via Skyfire, will it crash the app like it does on my d2 (and on occasion completley crash the phone causing a full reboot).



This is an honest question & not a troll. Please help.
 
2012-09-14 01:57:15 PM

dababler: Nobody on twitter would answer my question, so I'm going to ask Fark.

I currently have a droid 2(Verizon, have to stay verizon for work discount). I am really considering switching to the iphone 5, but here is one of my main problems. If someone sends me a text or calls me while I'm listening to the SiriusXM app or watching The daily show via Skyfire, will it crash the app like it does on my d2 (and on occasion completley crash the phone causing a full reboot).



This is an honest question & not a troll. Please help.


I don't know about the app crashing but your internet will drop out while you're on a call unless you're on wifi.
 
2012-09-14 01:59:21 PM

asciidic: dababler: Nobody on twitter would answer my question, so I'm going to ask Fark.

I currently have a droid 2(Verizon, have to stay verizon for work discount). I am really considering switching to the iphone 5, but here is one of my main problems. If someone sends me a text or calls me while I'm listening to the SiriusXM app or watching The daily show via Skyfire, will it crash the app like it does on my d2 (and on occasion completley crash the phone causing a full reboot).



This is an honest question & not a troll. Please help.

I don't know about the app crashing but your internet will drop out while you're on a call unless you're on wifi.


What about if some inconsiderate asshole calls while I'm driving somwhere new? Will that screw up the turn by turn directions (this amazingly doesn't happen on my d2).
 
2012-09-14 01:59:26 PM

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: magic_patch: I just bought an S3. My first 'proper' smartphone after years of corporate Blackberries. It's pretty awesome and, as somebody said earlier, aligns well with my Google-ised life. Wife has had iPhones since they first came out.

I'd say that, more or less, they S3 and iPhone 4S (as my comparison) are identical in most respects to the average user.

iPhone is better at: Managing music, Samsung's iTunes equivalent sucks ass
S3 is better at: Video (bigger screen) and plugging anything in to it - I have an adapter that lets me mount a regular SD card externally and view the files in a folder. Also, the S3 comes with a free 50Gb Dropbox account (or boost to an existing account).

I got the S3 for the external storage, YMMV. I don't get the fanboy-isms - they are both incredible devices that ten years ago would have been almost incomprehensible. They're like...magic, man.

Lucky with android phones you are not limited to a single music player. There are some good ones out there, but Samsung using MTP for syncing is really annoying. The only solution I've found that works 100% is iSyncr which, ironically enough, ties me to iTunes. For some reason mediamonkey doesn't play nicely with it.


As bad as it sounds using an AOL product, I'm liking WinAMP for playlist editing, and syncing on my Android phone... it's wireless... the desktop program finds my phone in seconds when I load it up, and I just put stuff in the queue and off it goes. If I need to connect it via USB, same idea. Only thing to remember is keep the WinAMP app on your phone... You can use any music player, though, due to the way Android stores music playlists.
 
2012-09-14 01:59:39 PM

asciidic: dababler: Nobody on twitter would answer my question, so I'm going to ask Fark.

I currently have a droid 2(Verizon, have to stay verizon for work discount). I am really considering switching to the iphone 5, but here is one of my main problems. If someone sends me a text or calls me while I'm listening to the SiriusXM app or watching The daily show via Skyfire, will it crash the app like it does on my d2 (and on occasion completley crash the phone causing a full reboot).



This is an honest question & not a troll. Please help.

I don't know about the app crashing but your internet will drop out while you're on a call unless you're on wifi.


It shouldn't crash the app. Especially on an iPhone. Crashes are way less frequent on iOS.
 
2012-09-14 02:06:42 PM
I do not understand the need for the latest food. Sure ok if you have disposable income go for it. However, I just heard a friend complaining that he wasn't able to get the new iPhone today and would have to wait.

This guy works two jobs, his girlfriend works full time and they have a 10 month old baby. All I can think is wouldn't there be a better use for that money? An emergency fund? College fund? Do you need to spend $200/month = $2400/year on a phone? I know that interest rates suck right now, but if you could save half of that money for your kid you would have $21,600 when she turns 18. I know that he isn't saving for retirement and doesn't even have health insurance (mom and baby do thank god). Seriously, are phones that important?

/yea my phone is a POS and my computer has started to melt but I put money in my 401k religiously...
 
2012-09-14 02:09:18 PM

LasersHurt: asciidic: dababler: Nobody on twitter would answer my question, so I'm going to ask Fark.

I currently have a droid 2(Verizon, have to stay verizon for work discount). I am really considering switching to the iphone 5, but here is one of my main problems. If someone sends me a text or calls me while I'm listening to the SiriusXM app or watching The daily show via Skyfire, will it crash the app like it does on my d2 (and on occasion completley crash the phone causing a full reboot).



This is an honest question & not a troll. Please help.

I don't know about the app crashing but your internet will drop out while you're on a call unless you're on wifi.

It shouldn't crash the app. Especially on an iPhone. Crashes are way less frequent on iOS.


OK let's talk about batterylife then. I work in a building that somehow I can't get a SiriusXM signal into via traditional radio. Our computers have literally all 6 websites blocked. Thus I am using my phone right now to listen to Sirius & Fark. I keep my phone plugged in 95% of the time, and have had to buy 1 replacement battery after about 1.5 years of owning the phone. Assuming I have to do the same with an iphone, will keeping it plugged in while using it heavily harm the battery?
 
2012-09-14 02:09:19 PM

studiomusic: Isn't hating Apple because they are Apple just like loving Apple because they are Apple?
"Oh, look at how hip I am, I love Apple!"
"Oh, look at how hip I am, I hate Apple!"


Exactly. But this is Fark, so you have to take sides, then take whargarblll to the extreme.
 
2012-09-14 02:11:26 PM

FlashHarry: apple should come out with a circumcision kit, just to further polarize fark.


People would just claim it sucks and that the Google circumcision kit is more hackable.
 
2012-09-14 02:13:59 PM
What makes you think this is even real and they aren't just putting fake numbers out there to make it appear to be ultra popular before it's truly even released for sale.

Sheeple are easy to manipulate when you're as big as apple.
 
2012-09-14 02:15:03 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: FlashHarry: apple should come out with a circumcision kit, just to further polarize fark.

People would just claim it sucks and that the Google circumcision kit is more hackable.


Hacking and penors should never be in same sentence regadless of context.
 
2012-09-14 02:16:29 PM

ogle5431: I swore to myself I'd never buy a Samsung phone. I haste the company for numerous reasons. I had been waiting for the new iPhone to be released and was eager to see what it would look like. My contract happened to expire this week, too. Anyway I was really disappointed. I'm now writing this post on my new Galaxy S3.


There are other Android choices, such as Motorola Droids. You didn't have to go to a Samsung if you swore you'd never buy another one.

That said, how do you like it?
 
2012-09-14 02:17:54 PM

dababler: LasersHurt: asciidic: dababler: Nobody on twitter would answer my question, so I'm going to ask Fark.

I currently have a droid 2(Verizon, have to stay verizon for work discount). I am really considering switching to the iphone 5, but here is one of my main problems. If someone sends me a text or calls me while I'm listening to the SiriusXM app or watching The daily show via Skyfire, will it crash the app like it does on my d2 (and on occasion completley crash the phone causing a full reboot).



This is an honest question & not a troll. Please help.

I don't know about the app crashing but your internet will drop out while you're on a call unless you're on wifi.

It shouldn't crash the app. Especially on an iPhone. Crashes are way less frequent on iOS.

OK let's talk about batterylife then. I work in a building that somehow I can't get a SiriusXM signal into via traditional radio. Our computers have literally all 6 websites blocked. Thus I am using my phone right now to listen to Sirius & Fark. I keep my phone plugged in 95% of the time, and have had to buy 1 replacement battery after about 1.5 years of owning the phone. Assuming I have to do the same with an iphone, will keeping it plugged in while using it heavily harm the battery?


Not that I know of, certainly hasn't for my devices. I used to regularly plug it in in the car, in the sun, navigating and playing music, but the battery held out fine. Usually go about 2 years on a device, so beyond that is a mystery, but it still held charge as long as it did when it was new.
 
2012-09-14 02:19:07 PM

TNel: And flash was going to die in 1 year after iPhones were not going to support it. Projections like that are about as bad as the Mayan calander saying we are all going to die soon.


you're right, it wasn't dead in a year, it took more like 4 years, but now mobile flash is indeed dead. so you're saying that it'll take longer than 4 to 6 years, so it makes even less sense to include NFC now. and you didn't answer the question, have you ever had a need for NFC on your phone?
 
2012-09-14 02:19:39 PM
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2012-09-14 02:20:07 PM

mccallcl: For isv's, the 30% is way less than the 99% cut an employer takes. So, for small publishers, it's a great value.

Apps are still really cheap for what you're getting. Imagine a piece of commercial software of any kind for $.99. That's cheaper than a ringtone.


Yeah, 30% is really not that bad, considering the isv need only submit the app for approval and apple does everything else. I think that the biggest problem mobile app developers have is that the field is so crowded. There are everyone from professional, experience programmers to script kiddies thinking they're going to be the next Bill Gates of the mobile space. My niece's husband actually quit his well-paid web app developer gig to take up writing mobile apps full time. He just knew he would be a multi-millionaire in a couple of years. Well, he's been at it five years now and has had only one poorly selling app accepted. He's probably only made a few thousand bucks.
 
2012-09-14 02:20:09 PM
I'm assuming that all the people that use Android because of the open system all drive manual transmissions correct? You don't want an automatic transmission because you have less control so therefore you would buy cars with a manual transmission...
 
2012-09-14 02:27:10 PM

JackieRabbit: mccallcl: For isv's, the 30% is way less than the 99% cut an employer takes. So, for small publishers, it's a great value.

Apps are still really cheap for what you're getting. Imagine a piece of commercial software of any kind for $.99. That's cheaper than a ringtone.

Yeah, 30% is really not that bad, considering the isv need only submit the app for approval and apple does everything else. I think that the biggest problem mobile app developers have is that the field is so crowded. There are everyone from professional, experience programmers to script kiddies thinking they're going to be the next Bill Gates of the mobile space. My niece's husband actually quit his well-paid web app developer gig to take up writing mobile apps full time. He just knew he would be a multi-millionaire in a couple of years. Well, he's been at it five years now and has had only one poorly selling app accepted. He's probably only made a few thousand bucks.


There's two keys - either do something new, or do something better. You can't just do something anymore.
 
2012-09-14 02:32:03 PM

shiate: TNel: And flash was going to die in 1 year after iPhones were not going to support it. Projections like that are about as bad as the Mayan calander saying we are all going to die soon.

you're right, it wasn't dead in a year, it took more like 4 years, but now mobile flash is indeed dead. so you're saying that it'll take longer than 4 to 6 years, so it makes even less sense to include NFC now. and you didn't answer the question, have you ever had a need for NFC on your phone?


Heck I'm not even sure if my Focus has NFC (I don't think it does). Would it be easier to have, yes but I shop mostly at Amazon and Newegg so no I don't have much need for NFC. I can see fast food places running with NFC and not sure why they aren't other than it's not being pushed enough, if they started taking NFC I would for sure make sure my phone had it, which will be on October 24th and hopefully the S3 will be into the $99 range.

My point is you can't say see this person says it will not be used until X day since they could easily be wrong and it could take off next month.
 
2012-09-14 02:32:14 PM

Snarky Acronym: I'm assuming that all the people that use Android because of the open system all drive manual transmissions correct? You don't want an automatic transmission because you have less control so therefore you would buy cars with a manual transmission...


No, we just like having the option if we decided that's what we wanted.
 
2012-09-14 02:33:14 PM
I love when people use "sells out" as if it means something. All it means is Apple's procurement team is bad at their jobs.
 
2012-09-14 02:38:59 PM

TNel: BarkingUnicorn: kab: I guess the 99% isn't as cash strapped as they claim to be. Huh.

This.

Because $199 is such a large amount of money.... Darn poor people with their refrigerators!


as is the $100/mo for the most basic voice/data access plan.

Meanwhile at metroPCS, or cricket you can still get nationwide coverage and a data plan for around $100 a phone and $45-50 a month or so for your plan.
 
2012-09-14 02:42:42 PM

o5iiawah: TNel: BarkingUnicorn: kab: I guess the 99% isn't as cash strapped as they claim to be. Huh.

This.

Because $199 is such a large amount of money.... Darn poor people with their refrigerators!

as is the $100/mo for the most basic voice/data access plan.

Meanwhile at metroPCS, or cricket you can still get nationwide coverage and a data plan for around $100 a phone and $45-50 a month or so for your plan.


I have 5 people on my family plan 3 of which have smart phones with data and my bill only comes to $250. So 1 person line is no way $100 a month. Like I said up above you are mixing poor with middle class. There is a difference between the two.
 
2012-09-14 02:54:38 PM

Bullseyed: I love when people use "sells out" as if it means something. All it means is Apple's procurement team is bad at their jobs.


lolwut. they're widely believed to be the best in the industry. that's why apple, a hardware company, has better profit margins than either google or microsoft, which are software companies. that's pretty unheard of.

Link
 
2012-09-14 03:05:58 PM
There's already an overabundance of evidence that stupid people will pay for anything.
 
2012-09-14 03:06:32 PM

Snarky Acronym: I'm assuming that all the people that use Android because of the open system all drive manual transmissions correct? You don't want an automatic transmission because you have less control so therefore you would buy cars with a manual transmission...


I drive a manual and use an iPhone.

/I do everything wrong.
 
2012-09-14 03:13:29 PM
I guess I'm just out of the Apple loop, I only tuned in to get some product details, but what's the major disappointment? It's decent, given that I skipped the 4S. It's a somewhat Android-competitive form factor after the 4 body lost a lot of luster recently. The rumored wider screen that would have been edge-to-edge? Yeah, that would have been nice, but they folded and kept the more backwards compatible one. It has upgrades of all the internals, a marginally bigger screen, and has brand familiarity.

Was anyone out there actually expecting a microSD phone? Let me lol a little harder. Expecting a radical redesign? Sorry, Steve Jobs isn't here to make that bet anymore. The price? Well, that's Apple for you.

The tablets are where the real innovation and competition is necessary now anyway; we've reached the point where phones are about as big, thin, and responsive as it gets, and all that's left is updating the internals from time to time. Apple has exactly six months to produce a new tablet that either rocks or blows. Amazon, Google, ASUS, and Samsung are still trailing but rapidly gaining, and they're knocking the prices of iPad-equivalents and iPad-betters down significantly, which has to have Apple very annoyed. People on the fence will stick with them through next spring to see what's coming up, but if they don't deliver and leave a void for another year, expect iPad marketshare to drop significantly.

You know, every one of these tablets are ARM-powered. I'm waiting for the day when an Android driver or app comes out that can run Apple apps by implementing Apple APIs. That will be the day everything changes.
 
2012-09-14 03:31:01 PM

foxyshadis: Was anyone out there actually expecting a microSD phone? Let me lol a little harder. Expecting a radical redesign? Sorry, Steve Jobs isn't here to make that bet anymore. The price? Well, that's Apple for you.


The screen is what people are puzzled about and the part I find to be the most mind blowing. Why in the earth you would put a 4" screen in a flagship model is beyond me. The only reason is so they can say they have the longer battery life, well no shiat you are powering a smaller screen.
 
2012-09-14 03:43:09 PM

foxyshadis: I only tuned in to get some product details, but what's the major disappointment?


The disappointment was that the writer of the FA is an idiot.

foxyshadis: The price? Well, that's Apple for you.


Actually, for what you get, the price $199 of a 16 FB, $299 for a 32 GB or $399 for a 64 GB (with two year contract) isn't all that bad. You know you have a device that will last at least four years. That cannot be said of most of the competition's offerings. I bought a second generation Razr way back when and it cost me $250. It was a good phone, but da-amn.
 
2012-09-14 04:00:12 PM

JackieRabbit: You know you have a device that will last at least four years. That cannot be said of most of the competition's offerings. I bought a second generation Razr way back when and it cost me $250. It was a good phone, but da-amn.


Why on earth would you hold onto a phone that long? There are plenty of free or nearly free phones that you can get that are great. Every 2 years is the normal cycle. I couldn't imagining holding onto a phone for 4 years for no apparent reason. Hell get a refurb'd model of an iphone or even a 2 year old iphone that would be 2 years newer than you have for .99
 
2012-09-14 04:19:07 PM

TNel: JackieRabbit: You know you have a device that will last at least four years. That cannot be said of most of the competition's offerings. I bought a second generation Razr way back when and it cost me $250. It was a good phone, but da-amn.

Why on earth would you hold onto a phone that long? There are plenty of free or nearly free phones that you can get that are great. Every 2 years is the normal cycle. I couldn't imagining holding onto a phone for 4 years for no apparent reason. Hell get a refurb'd model of an iphone or even a 2 year old iphone that would be 2 years newer than you have for .99


No, there aren't any good free or nearly free phones. They are all POSs designed to die in a couple of years. An iPhone is not just a phone. In fact, the phone is only one application on it. I've had my current iPhone for over three years. I have had no need to replace it. It works fine. I skipped the 4 model because I didn't think if offered enough new features that I would use. It would have been a waste of money. It does very little more than my 3S. By the time I replace my iPhone later this year, I will have used it for four years. Given that I paid $200 for it, it will have cost me a mere $50/year. That's more than the $20 POS the service provider charges for a phone with a basic service plan, but it's worth it to have something that actually works well. People who have to have the newest phone every couple of year spend far more than this. My way is better. It's called being a smart consumer: buy high quality products and use them for the designed length of time to realize the lowest total cost of ownership. I do the same thing with cars. My car is six years old. My wife's is 14 years old. I bought both new. But the wife's car is getting to the point to where it is time to think about getting a new one, but she wants to hold out for another two years, if possible.
 
2012-09-14 04:20:12 PM

fluffy2097: cards fan by association: It's probably already been pointed out but Apple showed in the press conference that they are also releasing an adapter so you don't have to repurchase all the accessories.

Has your vision pointed out that most of the ipod docks out there built into other devices won't be able to hold an idevice upright when the adapter is put into the dock first?


The longer iPhone 5 probably wouldn't have fit them anyway.
 
2012-09-14 04:25:15 PM

JackieRabbit: TNel: JackieRabbit: You know you have a device that will last at least four years. That cannot be said of most of the competition's offerings. I bought a second generation Razr way back when and it cost me $250. It was a good phone, but da-amn.

Why on earth would you hold onto a phone that long? There are plenty of free or nearly free phones that you can get that are great. Every 2 years is the normal cycle. I couldn't imagining holding onto a phone for 4 years for no apparent reason. Hell get a refurb'd model of an iphone or even a 2 year old iphone that would be 2 years newer than you have for .99

No, there aren't any good free or nearly free phones. They are all POSs designed to die in a couple of years.


http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/devices/apple/iphone/4-8gb-black.htm l So you don't have to click you can see by the URL it's for an iPhone 4 and if you copy and paste it costs 0.99 so the iPhone is not a good phone and is a POS according to you. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
2012-09-14 04:49:19 PM

asciidic: dababler: Nobody on twitter would answer my question, so I'm going to ask Fark.

I currently have a droid 2(Verizon, have to stay verizon for work discount). I am really considering switching to the iphone 5, but here is one of my main problems. If someone sends me a text or calls me while I'm listening to the SiriusXM app or watching The daily show via Skyfire, will it crash the app like it does on my d2 (and on occasion completley crash the phone causing a full reboot).


This is an honest question & not a troll. Please help.

I don't know about the app crashing but your internet will drop out while you're on a call unless you're on wifi.


This is true only on Verizon, right?
The current iPhones on AT&T can do voice and data at the same time.
Is this still the case with the iPhone 5?
 
2012-09-14 04:58:01 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: [i46.tinypic.com image 642x491]


LOL
 
2012-09-14 05:04:56 PM

cards fan by association: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Apple: Let's make it longer and get rid of the now-standard-on-everything plug we've been using for 10 years!
Apple product fans: TAKE MY MONEY! AND TAKE MORE SO I CAN HAVE A NEW DOCK THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH IT!

You could stamp the apple logo on a dog turd and apple fans would be throwing their money at there local apple store employees to get their hands on it.

It's probably already been pointed out but Apple showed in the press conference that they are also releasing an adapter so you don't have to repurchase all the accessories.


If you have a 30-pin dock, no adapter is going to work with it. The 30-pin dock connector actually supports the device in its cradle, so any adapter will make it stick up by an unacceptable amount.
 
2012-09-14 05:27:45 PM

spidermilk: I do not understand the need for the latest food. Sure ok if you have disposable income go for it. However, I just heard a friend complaining that he wasn't able to get the new iPhone today and would have to wait.

This guy works two jobs, his girlfriend works full time and they have a 10 month old baby. All I can think is wouldn't there be a better use for that money? An emergency fund? College fund? Do you need to spend $200/month = $2400/year on a phone? I know that interest rates suck right now, but if you could save half of that money for your kid you would have $21,600 when she turns 18. I know that he isn't saving for retirement and doesn't even have health insurance (mom and baby do thank god). Seriously, are phones that important?

/yea my phone is a POS and my computer has started to melt but I put money in my 401k religiously...


A smartphone isn't. I can see them really wanting some kind of pay-as-you-go mobile phone though. The convenience is a powerful draw. But unless they need smartphones for work (in which case, work would provide them), I see no reason to drop so much money on any smartphone. And I happen to love my iPhone! But if the shiat hit the fan and I could no longer afford it without making serious compromises in my retirement/savings/investment plan, a $29 PAYG phone would take its place until I could. 

tl;dr -- some people have messed up priorities.
 
2012-09-14 05:29:05 PM

dababler: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FlashHarry: apple should come out with a circumcision kit, just to further polarize fark.

People would just claim it sucks and that the Google circumcision kit is more hackable.

Hacking and penors should never be in same sentence regadless of context.


But it's a circumcision kit!!! :-)
 
2012-09-14 06:25:13 PM
OMG, iPhone is so overpriced. It doesn't have an SD card slot and you can't flash your own ROMs. It suxx.

*too busy playing SUPER HEXAGON to reply*
 
2012-09-14 07:05:39 PM

TNel: JackieRabbit: You know you have a device that will last at least four years. That cannot be said of most of the competition's offerings. I bought a second generation Razr way back when and it cost me $250. It was a good phone, but da-amn.

Why on earth would you hold onto a phone that long? There are plenty of free or nearly free phones that you can get that are great. Every 2 years is the normal cycle. I couldn't imagining holding onto a phone for 4 years for no apparent reason. Hell get a refurb'd model of an iphone or even a 2 year old iphone that would be 2 years newer than you have for .99


It'll last as a hand-me-down for years, so so will a lot of other current phones as long as they're taken care of. Not seeing the massive value proposition versus other current phones in that regard, iPhones crack too.

TNel: The screen is what people are puzzled about and the part I find to be the most mind blowing. Why in the earth you would put a 4" screen in a flagship model is beyond me. The only reason is so they can say they have the longer battery life, well no shiat you are powering a smaller screen.


Well, partly it's "Tim Cook plays it safe" and partly "Phone are already getting too big." They probably could have expanded to the edge, like HTC, with two more more grey borders while keeping the essential style intact. Oh well, what's done is done.

The whole expanding phone size war is really annoying me and weighing down my pockets though. I might skip the 5 because it's so much bigger, but so are the other brands' flagships.
 
2012-09-14 07:42:28 PM

TNel: I have 5 people on my family plan 3 of which have smart phones with data and my bill only comes to $250. So 1 person line is no way $100 a month. Like I said up above you are mixing poor with middle class. There is a difference between the two.


When you bundle or share data, the cost per user to the household goes down dramatically.

I have VZ and pay $40 for voice/text and $50 or so for 4GB of data. If I shared this 5 ways, it would be $250.

For a family who is struggling to make ends meet, there are more important things to do with money than spend it on a data plan for smartphones.

Chiefs_11: The current iPhones on AT&T can do voice and data at the same time.
Is this still the case with the iPhone 5?


Since the 5 is LTE capable, you should be able to do voice and data at the same time. Around 2Q2013, most LTE carriers will be rolling out VoLTE which would put to rest the GSM vs CDMA debate once and for all.
 
2012-09-14 09:16:39 PM

Farking Canuck: Zizzowop: The cult of Apple haters, they will buy anything but Apple no matter what.

This is true for me but I contend that my hate is completely justified by Apple's choices and their policy of "our way is the only way".

Apple gives you no choice in: phone design (one size, no keyboard, etc.), the interface program you use (iTunes only), the store you use (App store only). Their attempts to control how I use my phone is offensive ... hence the hate.

 

For that matter, why not be mad at Ford because they put the wiper controls in the "wrong" spot or didn't include a Bluetooth system. OH NOS, THEY'S TRYING TO CONTROL HOW I DRIVE!! If you think you have a better idea on how to build a smartphone, go right ahead. We're waiting. (You do have a choice, it's called the free market. You're free to love or hate any phone, but you're not the one building it so don't expect Tim Cook to call you up and ask whether or not it should have a keyboard or use iTunes. The market will see to the outcome.)
 
2012-09-14 09:54:20 PM

fireclown: Zizzowop: The cult of Apple haters, they will buy anything but Apple no matter what.

untrue. I own an Ipod. I'd like to buy another someday, but they've done away with the scroll wheel.


The iPod Classic still has the scroll wheel functionality. True, the wheel doesn't actually mechanically turn under your thumb, but the mechanical scroll wheel went away after the very first generation.
 
2012-09-14 11:15:07 PM
Apple could release a stylish box full of excrement and the fanbois would line up around the block to buy it.
 
2012-09-15 06:11:29 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: In other news, Apple's control over their fans is still strong. I love tech gadgets too, but only a brand-loyalty lemming goes out and pays too much for a marginally better version of something they already bought a few months ago, then sells the "old" gadget for a minimum 50% loss.


Hardly anybody is doing this. People are upgrading from the phones they bought two or three years ago. And the resale value of a used iPhone is much better than you think.

Only an iHater lemming would parrot nonsense like this without checking the facts or actually thinking about the pathetic propaganda he's mindlessly spewing.
 
2012-09-15 07:40:20 AM

bingethinker: Hardly anybody is doing this. People are upgrading from the phones they bought two or three years ago. And the resale value of a used iPhone is much better than you think.

Only an iHater lemming would parrot nonsense like this without checking the facts or actually thinking about the pathetic propaganda he's mindlessly spewing.


This. I've always been able to sell my two-year old iPhones for significantly *more* than the new one costs. Sure, getting a new one re-starts the two-year "contract clock" with AT&T, but realistically, I wasn't going to be switching carriers in the next two years anyway.
 
2012-09-15 09:51:24 AM

december: Confabulat: I honestly don't get the fanboy nonsense. Is there anything the iPhone 5 is doing that my year-old Android can't do?

any statement where you refer to others as fanboys in conjunction with claims like "my [device X Y Z] does [function A B C] just as good or better" instantly invalidates your argument.


I don't care about people who buy an iPhone because of good reasons, I'm sure there are many.

I'm talking about iPhone fanboys. Are you saying they aren't real? The people that get up at 2 AM to be first in line? You're saying those people don't exist, is what I'm gathering.

That was my point. I don't understand the worship. It's frickin' WEIRD.
 
2012-09-15 11:34:23 AM

mongbiohazard: Rev.K: Carth: Once someone spends a few hundred dollars in apps they are less likely to jump to another platform.

How the f*ck do you spend "a few hundred dollars" on apps?

My total spend on apps with my Android phone of 18 months is about $10.


I had an iPhone 3G and then got an HTC EVO 4G. I have around $15 in apps on both. Maybe $20. Not enough to tie me to either platform.

I just switched my wife over to a Samsung Galaxy S3 from her old iPhone 4. Her biggest problem has been the songs she'd bought through iTunes directly on her phone and are now gone. There may be a way to re-download them through iTunes and then strip them of DRM if they have any and then load them on the new phone but.... it's probably as easy or easier just to "pirate" the shiat she already bought and use that. Which is the option I went with.


Kies can transfer songs in iTunes onto your GS3. iTunes hasn't had DRM on their tracks since about 2009.
 
2012-09-15 03:18:19 PM

Johnny Bananapeel: My new HTC Evo is one annoying & buggy lag-monster.


So root it and load a community ROM without all the mandatory carrier bloatware.
 
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