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(Deadline)   Mandy Patinkin says working for CBS and especially doing Criminal Minds was his "biggest public mistake." Anything to burn a bridge, I guess   (deadline.com) divider line 96
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2012-09-14 12:54:53 PM

downstairs: They do overuse it on the show, but it means "unknown subject"... a suspect is a known person. Just getting technical here.


Oh yeah, I dig that; I just figured that for the sake of me not getting stabby, they could stop using a stupid word. Kind of like when people say "munch on something" instead of "eat".
 
2012-09-14 01:01:38 PM

Shadowtag: vudukungfu: mhd: I'm actually surprised that he's not annoyed at being quoted "My hname is Inigo..." over and over again.

Always wondered what became of that guy in the movie.

He's been doing shows the whole time but he gets bored quick and blames it on the violence. Dead Like Me (which had virtually no violence), Criminal Minds, and Homeland.

Does anyone remember he was in Alien Nation? Heavy makeup.


He was drinking a lot of sour milk in those days, he not remember much.
 
2012-09-14 01:05:32 PM

Evil Mackerel: Shadowtag: vudukungfu: mhd: I'm actually surprised that he's not annoyed at being quoted "My hname is Inigo..." over and over again.

Always wondered what became of that guy in the movie.

He's been doing shows the whole time but he gets bored quick and blames it on the violence. Dead Like Me (which had virtually no violence), Criminal Minds, and Homeland.

Does anyone remember he was in Alien Nation? Heavy makeup.

He was drinking a lot of sour milk in those days, he may not remember much.


FTFM
 
2012-09-14 01:06:50 PM

Mrembo: I stopped watching CM after I realized how paranoid I was becoming.


Word.
 
2012-09-14 01:24:13 PM

mesmer242: Weaver95: "The biggest public mistake I ever made was that I chose to do Criminal Minds in the first place. I thought it was something very different. I never thought they were going to kill and rape all these women every night, every day, week after week, year after year. It was very destructive to my soul and my personality." Patinkin also addressed the whole crime drama genre. "I'm not making a judgment on the taste [of people who watch crime procedurals]," he said. "But I'm concerned about the effect it has. Audiences all over the world use this programming as their bedtime story. This isn't what you need to be dreaming about."

He isn't wrong about that last bit. those shows ARE pretty violent and depraved. sure, it's a paycheck but...I'm not sure i'd want to get up every day and read another script that deals with more ways to violate the human mind, body and/or spirit. there's been more than one episode of 'criminal minds' that made me ill.

Yeah, there's something off about that show. I used to watch it a little bit... but it's too much. I'd rather watch Castle. Still lots of crime fighting, but less creepy and more funny.


Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that...Criminal minds takes a it too much glee in it's "torture porn" moments. It's like a serialized TV version of Saw or Hostel. The CSI shows certainly like their "shock moments" ("The victim had two quarts of semen in his stomach, none of it human" , but they don;t seem quite as bloodthristy, sadistic, or as happy about it.
 
2012-09-14 01:26:39 PM

tomasso: he can always sing "I did it my way. Sam Francisco here I come"

 
2012-09-14 01:41:50 PM
Sunday in the park with George is fantastic. As is his cast for Secret Garden.
 
2012-09-14 02:13:31 PM

coco ebert: Well he's pretty awesome in Homeland so he has that going for him.


Until he has another hissy fit and quits the show suddenly. He's got a reputation for this.
 
2012-09-14 02:14:00 PM

bluecrabscribe: /What exactly would constitute a pubic mistake?


Mohawk.
 
2012-09-14 02:18:58 PM

Magorn: mesmer242: Weaver95: "The biggest public mistake I ever made was that I chose to do Criminal Minds in the first place. I thought it was something very different. I never thought they were going to kill and rape all these women every night, every day, week after week, year after year. It was very destructive to my soul and my personality." Patinkin also addressed the whole crime drama genre. "I'm not making a judgment on the taste [of people who watch crime procedurals]," he said. "But I'm concerned about the effect it has. Audiences all over the world use this programming as their bedtime story. This isn't what you need to be dreaming about."

He isn't wrong about that last bit. those shows ARE pretty violent and depraved. sure, it's a paycheck but...I'm not sure i'd want to get up every day and read another script that deals with more ways to violate the human mind, body and/or spirit. there's been more than one episode of 'criminal minds' that made me ill.

Yeah, there's something off about that show. I used to watch it a little bit... but it's too much. I'd rather watch Castle. Still lots of crime fighting, but less creepy and more funny.

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that...Criminal minds takes a it too much glee in it's "torture porn" moments. It's like a serialized TV version of Saw or Hostel. The CSI shows certainly like their "shock moments" ("The victim had two quarts of semen in his stomach, none of it human" , but they don;t seem quite as bloodthristy, sadistic, or as happy about it.


Wait, that actually happened on the show?

/Saw the 20 minute preview of the next season of Homeland
//Jonesin' for it
///Got to hack it... got to hack it...
 
2012-09-14 02:24:07 PM

I_Love_Cheesecake: coco ebert: Well he's pretty awesome in Homeland so he has that going for him.

Until he has another hissy fit and quits the show suddenly. He's got a reputation for this.


Yeah, I've heard he's a high-maintenance actor.
 
2012-09-14 02:27:46 PM

GavinTheAlmighty: tillerman35: I have no idea if the FBI actually uses the word "unsub," but I want to reach into the TV and smack somebody every time I hear one of them say it. It's a stupid word, and annoying. They think it makes them sound more authentic. I think it makes them sound like idiots.

I hear you. I had honestly never heard that word before in my life before this show, so I had to look it up when I first heard it. I thought to myself, "why wouldn't you just say 'suspect'?"


Because "Suspect" means you actually are looking at an actual person, with a real name, family, life and all that. "Un-Sub" means you're still working on a idea of who the glitch'd-up mofo is, no real person is in your radar yet. The reporters will listen to the description of an Un-Sub, then ask, "Do you have any Suspects yet?" Simple.
 
2012-09-14 02:46:39 PM
When you watch other peoples pain for its entertainment value, what does that say about you?
 
2012-09-14 02:48:43 PM
That's a pretty bold statement for a guy named Mandy whose most famous role consists of a one liner and a bad mustache.
 
2012-09-14 02:59:05 PM

Weaver95: "The biggest public mistake I ever made was that I chose to do Criminal Minds in the first place. I thought it was something very different. I never thought they were going to kill and rape all these women every night, every day, week after week, year after year. It was very destructive to my soul and my personality." Patinkin also addressed the whole crime drama genre. "I'm not making a judgment on the taste [of people who watch crime procedurals]," he said. "But I'm concerned about the effect it has. Audiences all over the world use this programming as their bedtime story. This isn't what you need to be dreaming about."

He isn't wrong about that last bit. those shows ARE pretty violent and depraved. sure, it's a paycheck but...I'm not sure i'd want to get up every day and read another script that deals with more ways to violate the human mind, body and/or spirit. there's been more than one episode of 'criminal minds' that made me ill.


yeah...i kind of just got back into television after a long hiatus...the first 2-3 of this i watched i kinda liked...then, and now...no thanks.
 
2012-09-14 03:03:48 PM
So, a guy decides that he is not really comfortable in a role and decides to do something else, and for some reason that is a scandal? In my world that is called living your life.

Also, Mandy can do whatever he wants after Sunday in the Park with George.
 
2012-09-14 03:16:48 PM
therepublika.files.wordpress.com

You use the word "mistake" a lot. I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
2012-09-14 03:21:27 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: I can't believe 'Dead Like Me' started nine years ago.


THIS and

braedan: I was a big fan of Dead Like Me.


This and

JohnBigBootay: I love Mandy Patinkin. He's a fantastic actor - wish he'd done more of Dead Like me.


This

I'd like to see another season and a good conclusion to that series with Mandy Patinkin, Pumpkin.
 
2012-09-14 03:25:42 PM
I can't say I blame him. I'd find it depressing doing a show about the worst kind of people possible.

And for the record, I liked Alien Nation
 
2012-09-14 03:43:55 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Patinkin is awesome. Tremendous in The Princess Bride, outstanding on Chicago Hope, terrific on Dead Like Me, brilliant on Homeland.

I've never seen Criminal Minds, but I respect the guy's point of view.


No love for Yentl?

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/has no love for Yentl
 
2012-09-14 03:52:45 PM

WordsnCollision: No love for Yentl?


No, none at all.
 
2012-09-14 03:59:53 PM

Kanemano: When you watch other peoples pain for its entertainment value, what does that say about you?


That you are on the Internet, and welcome to Fark.
 
2012-09-14 04:09:03 PM

Optimal_Illusion: Kanemano: When you watch other peoples pain for its entertainment value, what does that say about you?

That you are on the Internet, and welcome to Fark.


But I already know that I am a depraved asshole.
 
2012-09-14 04:14:13 PM

GameSprocket: So, a guy decides that he is not really comfortable in a role and decides to do something else, and for some reason that is a scandal? In my world that is called living your life.

Also, Mandy can do whatever he wants after Sunday in the Park with George.


I don't think it's so much that, as much it was how he did it. Just decided not to show up on the first day of shooting the second season. And then came up with the excuse that he didn't like the violence. The pilot script had violence in it, and he knew what the material was about. That didn't suddenly change through out the first season.
 
2012-09-14 04:38:55 PM

Nana's Vibrator: I'd like to see another season and a good conclusion to that series with Mandy Patinkin, Pumpkin Peanut.


FTFY
 
2012-09-14 04:42:01 PM
Never saw the show, but it seems to me he is dramatically overstating the emotional impact of network television. There's only so far you can go when you have to appease mainstream advertisers.
 
2012-09-14 04:57:36 PM
There are a handfull of actors that appear to be too good for the shows they're on. Fortunately they don't stay much more than a few seasons.
 
2012-09-14 05:17:29 PM
I watched 5 minutes of that show once. When the hot chick cop explained to the quirky twitchy nerd cop the nature of the unsub's mental disorder, even though they're both cops with backgrounds in mental disorders, I had to stop watching.
 
2012-09-14 05:25:55 PM

Kanemano: When you watch other peoples pain for its entertainment value, what does that say about you?


I wonder this too. Most of the popular shows of the last decade or so have featured protagonists who are pretty horrible people. The Shield, Sopranos, Dexter, Breaking Bad, etc. I know I'm in the minority here, but I can't seem to be entertained when I hate every single character.

I know, I should go watch my Mr Rogers DVDs.
 
2012-09-14 05:55:47 PM
To be fair, it IS a horrible, horrible show.
 
2012-09-14 06:04:30 PM

vudukungfu: He can allways rely on his tip jar on the piano.


Nice Dick Tracy reference.

www.mandypatinkin.net
 
2012-09-14 06:26:39 PM

LDM90: Kanemano: When you watch other peoples pain for its entertainment value, what does that say about you?

I wonder this too. Most of the popular shows of the last decade or so have featured protagonists who are pretty horrible people. The Shield, Sopranos, Dexter, Breaking Bad, etc. I know I'm in the minority here, but I can't seem to be entertained when I hate every single character.

I know, I should go watch my Mr Rogers DVDs.


Isn't watching other peoples pain for entertainment what humans have been doing since Ancient Greek theater and probably before?
 
2012-09-14 06:30:28 PM

bluecrabscribe: Am I the only one who saw "biggest pubic mistake"?

/What exactly would constitute a pubic mistake?


trimming your ballsack with nail scissors.
 
2012-09-14 06:33:48 PM

Vash's Apprentice: mhd: downstairs: Huh? I didn't find Criminal Minds to be all that sick and depraved. It was actually fairly smart at times.

I found it to be pretty mixed. Granted, I stopped watching about the time when Patinkin left, so I might mix things up a bit. At times it felt like the whole desensitization he complains about was actually being integrated in the structure of the series, with some characters (esp. his own) being quite affected by their daily work in one way or the other. But eventually that was mostly scrapped or felt as a sideline due to the need for one case per episode. It probably would've fared much better if there would've been some overarching plot, something like The Wire/Shield meets abnormal psychology.

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So you missed The Reaper episodes? I never thought I'd use C. Thomas Howell and brilliant in the same sentence, but here we are. One warning:the end is EXTREMELY dark, even by CM standards.


..I parsed that as 'Thomas Haden Church' first go round and went 'that's not..oh, I'm stupid'.

As far as the statement, I think people are pretty dead on: watching it as a passive experience, even chain-gunning episodes or a whole season in a day, is different than waking up, reading a script, getting into character and imagining/feeling/concepting these women being assaulted and degraded and killed every day for months/years on end.

It would wear on a person. Me, as a viewer, it's just a more interesting investigation crime drama that has fewer horribly disruptive aspects like magic technology in CSI, or women wearing 30 pounds of makeup and 15 inch heels in CSI: whores,

I liked the older CSI but haven't seen any in years (and obviously hate the spinoffs), and simply haven't had the time or inclination to watch any of the newer crime dramas like white collar or Dexter (is that still on?). I've tried Burn notice, but something about the main male actor makes me want to kill him, and the female lead is supposed to be this sexy thing, but to me she's just rather ugly, and the entire show as a whole comes off as forced and 'you should think this is smart and sophisticated and sexy because we can't be assed to make it actually like that'.
 
2012-09-14 07:02:49 PM

gadian: That's a pretty bold statement for a guy named Mandy whose most famous role consists of a one liner and a bad mustache.


troll on, oh ignorant one.
 
2012-09-14 07:43:42 PM
PAGET BREWSTER. That is all.
 
2012-09-14 08:28:59 PM

tillerman35: I have no idea if the FBI actually uses the word "unsub," but I want to reach into the TV and smack somebody every time I hear one of them say it. It's a stupid word, and annoying. They think it makes them sound more authentic. I think it makes them sound like idiots.


The FBI really does use "unsub." However, they only use it until they identify the criminal in question. It stands for unknown subject. See? Unsub. CM uses it all. The. Farking. Time. Even when they know the crazy guy's name. Which btw makes him the opposite of an unsub because he's not an unknown subject anymore.
 
2012-09-14 10:41:45 PM
~Ahem~

www.mandypatinkin.net
 
2012-09-14 11:53:04 PM

NeoCortex42: Englebert Slaptyback: I can't believe 'Dead Like Me' started nine years ago.

I can't believe they couldn't get Patinkin back for the DVD-movie. It just didn't feel right not having Rube there.


Gah, the DVD movie sucked balls. No Rube, the actress that played Daisy couldn't act her way out of a wet paper bag, and Ellen Muth's makeup artist needs to have his/her power sprayer taken away and be bludgeoned with it.
 
2012-09-15 01:26:12 AM

Magorn: Criminal minds takes a it too much glee in it's "torture porn" moments. It's like a serialized TV version of Saw or Hostel.


If Prentiss comes to arrest the unsub for the torture porn it's all good.
Mmh good. Feels good. Is good. Real good.
i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-15 01:56:01 AM

dittybopper: Hello. My name is Mandy Patinkin. I made a bad career choice. Prepare to die.


My only regret is that I have but one vote to give to you.

/funny
 
2012-09-15 02:06:44 AM

SurelyShirley: Magorn: Criminal minds takes a it too much glee in it's "torture porn" moments. It's like a serialized TV version of Saw or Hostel.

If Prentiss comes to arrest the unsub me for watching torture porn it's all good.
Mmh good. Feels good. Is good. Real good.
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2012-09-15 11:11:51 AM

DarthBart: NeoCortex42: Englebert Slaptyback: I can't believe 'Dead Like Me' started nine years ago.

I can't believe they couldn't get Patinkin back for the DVD-movie. It just didn't feel right not having Rube there.

Gah, the DVD movie sucked balls. No Rube, the actress that played Daisy couldn't act her way out of a wet paper bag, and Ellen Muth's makeup artist needs to have his/her power sprayer taken away and be bludgeoned with it.


I've watched the entire Dead Like Me series from beginning to end several times. I think it's one of the best - and most underrated - things to have aired on TV in its time. Couldn't bring myself to watch the DVD, though, I was afraid it would ruin things. Mostly because Patankin wasn't there.

Did someone other than Laura Davis play Daisy?

And has Ellen Muth done anything since that series?
 
2012-09-15 11:34:22 AM

Nogale: DarthBart: NeoCortex42: Englebert Slaptyback: I can't believe 'Dead Like Me' started nine years ago.

I can't believe they couldn't get Patinkin back for the DVD-movie. It just didn't feel right not having Rube there.

Gah, the DVD movie sucked balls. No Rube, the actress that played Daisy couldn't act her way out of a wet paper bag, and Ellen Muth's makeup artist needs to have his/her power sprayer taken away and be bludgeoned with it.

I've watched the entire Dead Like Me series from beginning to end several times. I think it's one of the best - and most underrated - things to have aired on TV in its time. Couldn't bring myself to watch the DVD, though, I was afraid it would ruin things. Mostly because Patankin wasn't there.

Did someone other than Laura Davis play Daisy?

And has Ellen Muth done anything since that series?


The DVD doesn't ruin the series in any way, but it is a huge letdown when it comes to tying up ideas presented in the series. It's basically a stand-alone story about Desmond from Lost trying to screw with the natural order. It's very forgettable.
 
2012-09-15 03:01:59 PM

T.M.S.: He is pretending no one saw his The Wild Party.


I've blocked it out enough that I forgot he was in it until you said that. Does that count?
 
2012-09-15 05:47:04 PM
He thinks Criminal Minds was a bigger public mistake than his musical episode of Chicago Hope with those Circ du Soleil clowns?

Seriously?

Because that was awful

/ and more than worthy of ridicule.
 
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