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(Daily Mail)   Judge rules that man must take his children to visit their murderer mother, and that he can't take them back to his home in Australia because the mother still has visitation rights. This would never happen if the genders of the parents were reversed   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 160
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2012-09-14 04:43:17 AM
This lady deserves to have her cell door closed and then walled off Amontillado style.
 
2012-09-14 05:39:09 AM
From those pictures I wonder if she seduced that boy into writing in the notebook and being there that night to be killed. And that judges opinion is moronic.
 
2012-09-14 07:23:42 AM

DarkLancelot: From those pictures I wonder if she seduced that boy into writing in the notebook and being there that night to be killed. And that judges opinion is moronic.


That's what I was thinking too. A special needs kid who hates/can't write very well keeping detailed notes on who hired him to go kill his neighbor......riiiiiight.

Then add to that her story of Ben picking up a baseball bat to defend his sister when they broke in - Ben was 3 at the time. Somehow I don't see that either.

That "judge" seems to be a perfect example of what's wrong with our "justice" system, simply a mindboggling ruling. Someone needs to go through her past rulings to see if there was any similar (ha!) ones with the genders reversed. Hopefully this travesty gets overturned quickly. If nothing else, with the kids being 14 & 12 now they certainly are old enough to have a say in if they want to go visit mom or not.
 
2012-09-14 07:35:40 AM
I'm sorry, I can't stop thinking about her boobs now.
 
2012-09-14 07:36:00 AM
What a waste of a nice rack.
 
2012-09-14 07:38:20 AM
That's... quite the selection of photos. Especially for someone revealed to be so manipulative and, well, murderous.
 
2012-09-14 07:38:21 AM
Sometimes I wonder if judges do this sort of thing out of malice. Just because they can ruin lives with virtually no oversight. I knew of more than one matrimonial action where the judge ruled that the woman gets visitation even though she lived with a known pedo.
 
2012-09-14 07:38:27 AM
This should be good. I like when threads start with "It would be different if the genders were reversed" because sexism is only possible if the woman is in the victim role, like it`s only possible to be racist if you are white.
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2012-09-14 07:38:41 AM
All of this makes perfect sense, IF you think the imprisoned mother should be able to retain parental rights and visitation, even while in jail.

All of that said, the mother reminds me of a certain farkette not seen around these parts in several months, and who I miss.
 
2012-09-14 07:38:42 AM

doglover: This lady deserves to have her cell door closed and then walled off Amontillado style.


For the love of God, Montresor!
 
2012-09-14 07:38:54 AM
Keeping them away from Australia is the best thing, regardless of the other circumstances.
 
2012-09-14 07:41:22 AM
Hey my ex has a court record for threatening to kill her older child, her dog and herself. She also almost killed out son last year through neglect where he spent the two days in the ICU at the local children's hospital. The court ordered a forensic psychological examination be done on her that came back with words like 'concern for the welfare of the child' and other such fun phrases.

All that and a carnival ride's worth of crazy stories to go with it. The only thing I had going against me was a speeding ticket I got 6 years ago. She /still/ got half custody.
 
2012-09-14 07:42:10 AM

dready zim: it`s only possible to be racist if you are white.


If that's not sarcasm, go fark yourself.
 
2012-09-14 07:42:19 AM
I would. I'm sorry. I know its stupid, but I would.
 
2012-09-14 07:44:57 AM
Normally I stand up for parental rights, as any good parent would rather die than go without seeing their children. That said, a woman like this.... she is obviously a huge manipulator and liar, I can't imagine the children gaining anything positive from continued contact with her. I can only picture her continued efforts to convince them that "this is all daddy's fault".

/Yes I haz a bitter ex
//False reports to CPS on me
///Damn that chick has a nice rack
//This chick, not my ex
 
2012-09-14 07:45:27 AM

onyxruby: Hey my ex has a court record for threatening to kill her older child, her dog and herself. She also almost killed out son last year through neglect where he spent the two days in the ICU at the local children's hospital. The court ordered a forensic psychological examination be done on her that came back with words like 'concern for the welfare of the child' and other such fun phrases.

All that and a carnival ride's worth of crazy stories to go with it. The only thing I had going against me was a speeding ticket I got 6 years ago. She /still/ got half custody.


Impossible; only women suffer from gender discrimination.

Gender roles hurt everyone, people. All men are not abusive pricks. All women are not nurturing earth mothers.
 
2012-09-14 07:48:54 AM

aagrajag: onyxruby: Hey my ex has a court record for threatening to kill her older child, her dog and herself. She also almost killed out son last year through neglect where he spent the two days in the ICU at the local children's hospital. The court ordered a forensic psychological examination be done on her that came back with words like 'concern for the welfare of the child' and other such fun phrases.

All that and a carnival ride's worth of crazy stories to go with it. The only thing I had going against me was a speeding ticket I got 6 years ago. She /still/ got half custody.

Impossible; only women suffer from gender discrimination.

Gender roles hurt everyone, people. All men are not abusive pricks. All women are not nurturing earth mothers.


Going through custody crap myself with a psycotic ex, I only hope the judge doesn't buy into her sob stories.

/Judge is a guy
 
2012-09-14 07:49:08 AM

doglover: This lady deserves to have her cell door closed and then walled off Amontillado style.


Or just not have visitation rights. But I suppose your option is justice And reasonable.


Drawn and quartered is too good for her. Blood eagle amirite?
 
2012-09-14 07:50:44 AM

NumberFiveIsAlive: Normally I stand up for parental rights, as any good parent would rather die than go without seeing their children. That said, a woman like this.... she is obviously a huge manipulator and liar, I can't imagine the children gaining anything positive from continued contact with her. I can only picture her continued efforts to convince them that "this is all daddy's fault".

/Yes I haz a bitter ex
//False reports to CPS on me
///Damn that chick has a nice rack
//This chick, not my ex


Abusive, vindictive narcissists come in all colours and models. But some models are allowed to go on with their bad selves, for reasons unknown.

I've only dated two people seriously in my life: my ex, who was an insanely jealous bi-polar chick who twice tried to strangle me, and once beat me (I was passed out drunk, and told later by a friend) because I was not conscious to have sex with her.

I am now married to the second person: the sanest, nicest, kindest person I have ever known.

I hope that you are able to eventually completely disentangle yourself from your ex; there are some really good people out there.
 
2012-09-14 07:51:13 AM
This is sure to be one of those threads that is full of good natured remarks.
 
2012-09-14 07:51:16 AM

onyxruby: Hey my ex has a court record for threatening to kill her older child, her dog and herself. She also almost killed out son last year through neglect where he spent the two days in the ICU at the local children's hospital. The court ordered a forensic psychological examination be done on her that came back with words like 'concern for the welfare of the child' and other such fun phrases.

All that and a carnival ride's worth of crazy stories to go with it. The only thing I had going against me was a speeding ticket I got 6 years ago. She /still/ got half custody.


Give her the half he shiats/pisses out every month. "Here, wench, snuggle up with this bag of offal and watch Toy Story 3 during your next visit."
 
2012-09-14 07:52:06 AM

aagrajag: Gender roles hurt everyone, people. All men are not abusive pricks. All women are not nurturing earth mothers.


Interesting you picked a negative stereotype to debunk for men and a positive one to debunk for women. Why not also say "not all women are gold diggers?" I believe that men are discriminated against because of perceived gender roles, but these threads tend to swing the pendulum in the other direction: making sweeping generalizations about the evil womens. So, in short, (and I admit, preemptively) take your own advice.
 
2012-09-14 07:52:37 AM

onyxruby: Hey my ex has a court record for threatening to kill her older child, her dog and herself. She also almost killed out son last year through neglect where he spent the two days in the ICU at the local children's hospital. The court ordered a forensic psychological examination be done on her that came back with words like 'concern for the welfare of the child' and other such fun phrases.

All that and a carnival ride's worth of crazy stories to go with it. The only thing I had going against me was a speeding ticket I got 6 years ago. She /still/ got half custody.


my oldest kid got thrown out by his mother. like literally she just dropped him off at my parents house and never even bothered to tell him why. after living with me for over a FULL YEAR during which he never saw his mother once, the court still refused to say that i had custody.... and to top it off i had to pay child support to her for that entire year while he lived with me.
 
2012-09-14 07:54:16 AM
In the ruling issued last week, Judge Whittenburg said Roberts cannot move to his native Australia with his 14-year-old boy and 12-year-old girl until Richter's appeals are exhausted, even though Roberts claims his temporary visa has already expired.

(1) To be fair, I don't know that "you have to stick around until appeals are done" is all that unreasonable, provided the judge also makes provision to renew the dude's work permit.

(2) That said: From Wikipedia on Australian Citizenship,

A person born outside Australia on or after 26 January 1949 may be registered as an Australian citizen by descent provided
they had an Australian citizen parent at the time of birth; and
if the Australian parent is also an Australian citizen by descent, that parent had lived legally in Australia for a total of 2 years, or the person has no other nationality;


Australia has jus sanguinis citizenship. If the guy has registered the kids as dual citizens and hasn't been put on the no-fly list for some reason, he should transfer his funds to an Australian bank, buy a plane ticket, rent an apartment in australia using the australian bank account without telling anyone (even the kids), move without permission, and finish this legal dispute from Australia. There's no goddamned way in hell that Australia will extradite Australian citizens to the UK for violating a local-court UK civil ruling, commonwealth or not. Especially not given how the media are going to cover the "mother is a convicted murderer serving time" angle.

I mean, normally I'd say manipulating the political nature of extradition law and its interaction with the media to avoid a court order would be a bad thing to do, but... frankly, the dude should never have given the judge the opportunity to make the ruling in the first place, he should already be on the other side of the world now if he had a grain of sense.
 
2012-09-14 07:54:43 AM

NumberFiveIsAlive: aagrajag: onyxruby: Hey my ex has a court record for threatening to kill her older child, her dog and herself. She also almost killed out son last year through neglect where he spent the two days in the ICU at the local children's hospital. The court ordered a forensic psychological examination be done on her that came back with words like 'concern for the welfare of the child' and other such fun phrases.

All that and a carnival ride's worth of crazy stories to go with it. The only thing I had going against me was a speeding ticket I got 6 years ago. She /still/ got half custody.

Impossible; only women suffer from gender discrimination.

Gender roles hurt everyone, people. All men are not abusive pricks. All women are not nurturing earth mothers.

Going through custody crap myself with a psycotic ex, I only hope the judge doesn't buy into her sob stories.

/Judge is a guy


I hate to say this, but your chances would be better were the judge a woman. You will never encounter misogyny stronger than that of a woman; never misandry (which IS a word, spellcheck, you sexist cock) stronger than that of a man.

I do not know why this is so, but my experiences both IRL and online have always confirmed this. The most unapologetic misandrist around Fark (whom I cannot name) proves the point nicely.
 
2012-09-14 07:54:54 AM

harbingerofdoom: onyxruby: Hey my ex has a court record for threatening to kill her older child, her dog and herself. She also almost killed out son last year through neglect where he spent the two days in the ICU at the local children's hospital. The court ordered a forensic psychological examination be done on her that came back with words like 'concern for the welfare of the child' and other such fun phrases.

All that and a carnival ride's worth of crazy stories to go with it. The only thing I had going against me was a speeding ticket I got 6 years ago. She /still/ got half custody.

my oldest kid got thrown out by his mother. like literally she just dropped him off at my parents house and never even bothered to tell him why. after living with me for over a FULL YEAR during which he never saw his mother once, the court still refused to say that i had custody.... and to top it off i had to pay child support to her for that entire year while he lived with me.


I hope you had a lawyer fighting for you. You can get that money back.
 
2012-09-14 07:55:53 AM
Why does the victim's grave site have a monument to his killer's cleavage?
 
2012-09-14 07:57:08 AM
I read that as "murdered" mother instead of murderer. I was, like, "what new level of derp is this?" Turns out the truth is only a slightly lesser level of derp.
 
2012-09-14 07:57:33 AM

gulogulo: harbingerofdoom: onyxruby: Hey my ex has a court record for threatening to kill her older child, her dog and herself. She also almost killed out son last year through neglect where he spent the two days in the ICU at the local children's hospital. The court ordered a forensic psychological examination be done on her that came back with words like 'concern for the welfare of the child' and other such fun phrases.

All that and a carnival ride's worth of crazy stories to go with it. The only thing I had going against me was a speeding ticket I got 6 years ago. She /still/ got half custody.

my oldest kid got thrown out by his mother. like literally she just dropped him off at my parents house and never even bothered to tell him why. after living with me for over a FULL YEAR during which he never saw his mother once, the court still refused to say that i had custody.... and to top it off i had to pay child support to her for that entire year while he lived with me.

I hope you had a lawyer fighting for you. You can get that money back.


not all of us can afford such luxuries as legal representation.
 
2012-09-14 07:57:44 AM
The fun thing was going to judge after the latest time she put our son in the emergency room (3) / urgent care (1) in the last year and a half. I was chastised for bringing up the latest emergency room visit (he now a scar for life above his eye after being beaten up by his older half brother). The reason I was chastised - these are not new issues!

In other words the judges logic was that since the mom was putting my son in the hospital through neglect before that she is allowed to continue doing so!!!!
 
2012-09-14 07:58:39 AM

gulogulo: aagrajag: Gender roles hurt everyone, people. All men are not abusive pricks. All women are not nurturing earth mothers.

Interesting you picked a negative stereotype to debunk for men and a positive one to debunk for women. Why not also say "not all women are gold diggers?" I believe that men are discriminated against because of perceived gender roles, but these threads tend to swing the pendulum in the other direction: making sweeping generalizations about the evil womens. So, in short, (and I admit, preemptively) take your own advice.


Because it's directly on-topic. That's why. In this case, the rigid gender role of the protective, nurturing mother is placing the child in an ugly, psychologically unhealthy situation, to say nothing of the father. The stereotypes are direct opposites, which is why I make the comparison.

//gotta head to the store; I'll be back in ~25 minutes if you wish to discuss further
 
2012-09-14 07:59:52 AM
Holy waste of great mommy bags...

That might have been said in some form before, but it deserves to be repeated.
 
2012-09-14 08:02:42 AM

doglover: This lady deserves to have her cell door closed and then walled off Amontillado style.


Poe's Law.
 
2012-09-14 08:02:44 AM

aagrajag: I do not know why this is so,


It's the same reason Spartan mothers would kill their own sons if they came home after running away from a battle instead of dying like a warrior. We're harshest on our own.

You're a woman, you have an idea of what a woman should be that you try to live up to. Another women who goes against that grain will become your biggest enemy.

Same with men. You see a guy acting like not what your image of what a man should be and you'll hate his guts.

A female nurse will be like "Okay now this is gonna pinch. Do you need to lie down?" for me, the big hairy guy. But a male nurse would be all "So you don't like needles, eh? This will suck for you then."
 
2012-09-14 08:03:13 AM

aagrajag: gulogulo: aagrajag: Gender roles hurt everyone, people. All men are not abusive pricks. All women are not nurturing earth mothers.

Interesting you picked a negative stereotype to debunk for men and a positive one to debunk for women. Why not also say "not all women are gold diggers?" I believe that men are discriminated against because of perceived gender roles, but these threads tend to swing the pendulum in the other direction: making sweeping generalizations about the evil womens. So, in short, (and I admit, preemptively) take your own advice.

Because it's directly on-topic. That's why. In this case, the rigid gender role of the protective, nurturing mother is placing the child in an ugly, psychologically unhealthy situation, to say nothing of the father. The stereotypes are direct opposites, which is why I make the comparison.

//gotta head to the store; I'll be back in ~25 minutes if you wish to discuss further


I understand what you're saying, but you introduced your thesis with something not directly on-topic, which was that not all men are abusive pricks. This was not in debate in this story. I agree with your sentiment, but I am observing that these threads tend to degenerate into misogyny to deflect the effects of misandry.
 
2012-09-14 08:04:55 AM

2wolves: doglover: This lady deserves to have her cell door closed and then walled off Amontillado style.

Poe's Law.


I say, good show!

i25.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-14 08:06:23 AM

Cthulhu11: doglover: This lady deserves to have her cell door closed and then walled off Amontillado style.

For the love of God, Montresor!


Yes, for the love of God.
 
2012-09-14 08:07:23 AM

harbingerofdoom: not all of us can afford such luxuries as legal representation.


That may be so, but your financial situation doesn't translate into sexism. In the end, it's not the court 'favoring the mother,' so much as it hasn't seen its day in court. And yes, you need to do that in order to see change. A judge can't just throw out past rulings if it doesn't go through the appropriate channels and hearings no matter how much you wish he'd just take you at your word. It may seem unfair to you, but that doesn't have anything to do with you not being a favored sex. In the case of this woman, I would say yes that she's being unfair preference.
 
2012-09-14 08:08:22 AM
As one of the only people who actually read the article, I think this is reasonable:
In the ruling issued last week, Judge Whittenburg said Roberts cannot move to his native Australia with his 14-year-old boy and 12-year-old girl until Richter's appeals are exhausted...
Seems about right. She still has visitation rights until she loses her appeal.
 
2012-09-14 08:08:32 AM

gulogulo: aagrajag: Gender roles hurt everyone, people. All men are not abusive pricks. All women are not nurturing earth mothers.

Interesting you picked a negative stereotype to debunk for men and a positive one to debunk for women. Why not also say "not all women are gold diggers?" I believe that men are discriminated against because of perceived gender roles, but these threads tend to swing the pendulum in the other direction: making sweeping generalizations about the evil womens. So, in short, (and I admit, preemptively) take your own advice.


So, your issue is that he used a positive stereotype to iullustrate the female part of the equation while using the negative stereotype to illustrate the male side. You demonstrate a poor grasp of the literary concept of compare and contrast. You are twisting his post into a gender based attack when there is absolutely not one. Here's some news for you, the woman in this story is farking evil. I'm sorry that facts and reality are intruding into your little "oppressed by the patriarchy" bullshiat fantasies, but if anyone is farking evil, it's the woman in this story. And, if you want to draw a contrast to evil behaviors, you don't use an evil stereotype, you use a positive stereotype. Compare and contrast, you do grasp the concept?
 
2012-09-14 08:08:53 AM
I know we like to make generalizations on Fark about child custody, but as the former spouse of a physically abusive asshole, I can say that if the genders were reversed, it could very well be the EXACT same situation, contrary to the headline. I got divorced in Colorado, where not only was I supposed to be required by the court to violate the very restraining order that they had given me against the SOB in order to comply with the custody order (yes, the non-custodial parent still gets to see the child even if he's abusive and serving time in jail for abuse,) but they also expected me to get the court's permission to move out of state, away from the man who repeatedly threatened me with death and ended up doing two years for violating the PRO and stalking. I finally took the advice of the assistant DA in Denver County who advised me that since the ex was in no financial position to fight me after two years with no income, that if I did get out of state and establish residency before he got out of jail, chances were pretty good that there was no way Colorado would fight to make me bring the child back to the state on his behalf. Sometimes, when child custody is involved, the law simply puts more emphasis on the non-custodial parent's rights than on the safety of the former spouse and children involved.
 
2012-09-14 08:09:28 AM

kim jong-un: Drawn and quartered is too good for her. Blood eagle amirite?


I know which quarter I'd drag off to the lair.
 
2012-09-14 08:10:00 AM

Jim_Callahan: There's no goddamned way in hell that Australia will extradite Australian citizens to the UK for violating a local-court UK civil ruling, commonwealth or not.


The article source is a UK paper, but the story takes place in Iowa.
 
2012-09-14 08:10:39 AM
So let me get this straight....

Over (x) ounces of weed in many states will get you tossed in jail for 25 years and your kids tossed in social services for the rest of their childhood.

Kill your 20 something lover in cold blood while your toddler and infant are in the next room, visitation rights.


Welcome to America, home of the ..... prisoner.
 
2012-09-14 08:11:53 AM

NumberFiveIsAlive: Going through custody crap myself with a psycotic ex, I only hope the judge doesn't buy into her sob stories


My sympathies, good luck and document the hell out of everything.
 
2012-09-14 08:13:28 AM

harbingerofdoom: my oldest kid got thrown out by his mother. like literally she just dropped him off at my parents house and never even bothered to tell him why. after living with me for over a FULL YEAR during which he never saw his mother once, the court still refused to say that i had custody.... and to top it off i had to pay child support to her for that entire year while he lived with me.


I feel for you, somehow I can see myself in your shoes all to easily. Know another guy like you where his son lived with him for two years and he still had to pay child support during that time.
 
2012-09-14 08:15:27 AM
Actually subby it would, you just don't know how visitation law works; for example, did you know that in the US, rapists can demand visitation rights for any child born of that rape? Imagine being the woman who has to deliver your kid up to the man who assaulted you, possibly with great violence, in that matter? We all despise Noah Cross at the end of Chinatown for the sheer amount of evil he's done in the film but the truth we live in is far more vile. In the real world he wouldn't have had to put together some sinister conspiracy to get Mulwray's daughter; he'd have merely had to assert his "right" as the girl's father to gain access to her and there'd have been nothing Evelyn could have done to stop it.
 
2012-09-14 08:16:02 AM
A woman is a mother, a man is a wallet. This society's double standards are disgusting.
 
2012-09-14 08:17:07 AM

Bender The Offender: gulogulo: aagrajag: Gender roles hurt everyone, people. All men are not abusive pricks. All women are not nurturing earth mothers.

Interesting you picked a negative stereotype to debunk for men and a positive one to debunk for women. Why not also say "not all women are gold diggers?" I believe that men are discriminated against because of perceived gender roles, but these threads tend to swing the pendulum in the other direction: making sweeping generalizations about the evil womens. So, in short, (and I admit, preemptively) take your own advice.

So, your issue is that he used a positive stereotype to iullustrate the female part of the equation while using the negative stereotype to illustrate the male side. You demonstrate a poor grasp of the literary concept of compare and contrast. You are twisting his post into a gender based attack when there is absolutely not one. Here's some news for you, the woman in this story is farking evil. I'm sorry that facts and reality are intruding into your little "oppressed by the patriarchy" bullshiat fantasies, but if anyone is farking evil, it's the woman in this story. And, if you want to draw a contrast to evil behaviors, you don't use an evil stereotype, you use a positive stereotype. Compare and contrast, you do grasp the concept?


Simmer down. The point I was trying to make went flying over your head and my post was not mutually exclusive with the notion that the woman is evil. She is. Thank you for illustrating my point, though: that if a woman says something against extreme gender stereotypes of any kind, she is having "oppressed by the patriarchy bullshiat fantasies." You swung the pendulum completely to the other side and went for another ugly gender stereotype. That doesn't help your case. Way to go and do exactly what I figured would happen.
 
2012-09-14 08:17:11 AM

dready zim: This should be good. I like when threads start with "It would be different if the genders were reversed" because sexism is only possible if the woman is in the victim role, like it`s only possible to be racist if you are white.
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If you don't think sex and/or race plays a part in many legal outcomes; I don't know what you're smoking, but when you're done, pass it my way.
 
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