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2012-09-14 01:46:24 AM
I'm really surprised the school didn't do what many do when a kid's parents are delinquent in paying for lunches. Many will give the kid a sandwich and milk so they don't spend the rest of the day hungry. They usually don't punish the kid for the actions of their parents. Hungry kids don't learn as well and have a harder time concentrating on their school work.


Having said that, to say your child was being starved is ridiculous. It's probably safe to assume that the child had breakfast, probably before leaving for school, plus he had a snack too. Hungry, likely. Starved, no freaking way.
 
2012-09-14 01:49:36 AM
Better than the gym teacher stealing your lunch money!

/It happened
//still kept his job
//3
 
2012-09-14 01:53:18 AM
Ugh.. If he wasn't autistic we'd never be reading about this.. shiat farking happens, the kid didn't starve.. STFU and get over it..

Parents: My kid was denied school lunch
News: Meh we have more impor...
Parents: He's autistic
News: OMFGBBQSAUCE WUT SCHOOL?
 
2012-09-14 01:53:47 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Hungry, likely. Starved, no freaking way


Not that I've been there or done that but I would think starving doesn't happen until day 7 or so.
 
2012-09-14 01:54:59 AM
what about that time Chris Chambers stole the milk-money and then felt guilty and turned it over to Old Lady Simons who stole the money from him and bought herself a dress? what about that? huh?

those farkin' chambers are the same everywhere, man
 
2012-09-14 01:55:51 AM
In another thought...........
School Administration is completely ignorant of the 600 children's eating habits in their charge.
 
2012-09-14 02:06:10 AM
Redminds me of
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/08/29/deaf-toddlers-name-sign-too-o f fensive-for-school-so-theyve-told-him-to-change-it/
 
2012-09-14 02:06:45 AM
www.thecollaredsheep.com

No lunch for you!
 
2012-09-14 02:15:59 AM
Well, we know mommy and daddy have money. We know this because their kid is "autistic" instead of just a spoiled jerk. We also know it because he'd have been fed if he qualified for free and reduced lunch.

The kid went without lunch, that's not exactly "starving" him. Hell, that's not even a decent fast. Mummy and daddy need to pay their bills and shut the hell up.
 
2012-09-14 02:17:11 AM

Bathia_Mapes: I'm really surprised the school didn't do what many do when a kid's parents are delinquent in paying for lunches. Many will give the kid a sandwich and milk so they don't spend the rest of the day hungry. They usually don't punish the kid for the actions of their parents. Hungry kids don't learn as well and have a harder time concentrating on their school work.


Having said that, to say your child was being starved is ridiculous. It's probably safe to assume that the child had breakfast, probably before leaving for school, plus he had a snack too. Hungry, likely. Starved, no freaking way.


Yeah, something went off-track here. AFAIK, all schools have the "pity lunch" policy where they give the kid some sort of minimal nutrition (PB&J and a carton of malk or somesuch) regardless of their ability to pay. And missing a single meal isn't going to harm a kid. The school has already acknowledged that this isn't the way things were supposed to go down. Going full AW over the situation is over the top. They should submit their tale to The Consumerist.
 
2012-09-14 02:18:50 AM
Thank you, President Obama, for turning this once great nation into a land of dead beat children.

:-D
 
2012-09-14 02:22:11 AM
If the kid had a problem telling his parents about the delinquent bill, he should've talked to someone.
 
2012-09-14 02:31:16 AM

Bathia_Mapes: I'm really surprised the school didn't do what many do when a kid's parents are delinquent in paying for lunches. Many will give the kid a sandwich and milk so they don't spend the rest of the day hungry. They usually don't punish the kid for the actions of their parents. Hungry kids don't learn as well and have a harder time concentrating on their school work.
Having said that, to say your child was being starved is ridiculous. It's probably safe to assume that the child had breakfast, probably before leaving for school, plus he had a snack too. Hungry, likely. Starved, no freaking way.


This is what happens when someone links to an article that is quoting another article instead of linking to the original article. The original article did not use the word starvation. The parents did not use the word starvation.

Instead, they raised a valid point: His parents worry that if teachers let him go hungry, could there be more going wrong there? And that's a legitimate concern if a school isn't going to bother to contact the parents of a special education child that cannot speak. Yes, the kid only had mild discomfort in the scheme of things. But the school didn't do their job.
 
2012-09-14 02:31:22 AM
starvation

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-14 02:32:29 AM
The moral of the story is if you want your kid to be well-fed at school, don't get them vaccinated.
 
2012-09-14 02:41:57 AM
Bad parenting. MY parents taught me that a problem isn't really a problem when you can talk about it to somebody.
 
2012-09-14 02:41:58 AM
How did they know he didn't eat? He's nonverbal. If someone told them, they should be mad at that person for not intervening. (Or at least sharing their lunch with the kid.) I'm assuming he didn't come home with a note pinned on his backpack-pay your bill or we're not feeding him again tomorrow. I'd like a more complete story.
 
2012-09-14 02:42:33 AM

Mr. Eugenides: Mummy and daddy need to pay their bills and shut the hell up.


I agree. But if we're going to take lunch away from someone shouldn't it be mummy and daddy and not their child? Would you kick someone's dog if its owner failed to scoop its crap?
 
2012-09-14 03:00:41 AM
Parents shouldn't be required to foot the bill for food provided by a school, it should be covered by the school. The way it is in pretty much every civilized nation on Earth.
 
2012-09-14 03:01:35 AM

Mr. Eugenides: We know this because their kid is "autistic" instead of just a spoiled jerk.


Aren't you just adorable.
 
2012-09-14 03:10:17 AM

WhyteRaven74: Parents shouldn't be required to foot the bill for food provided by a school, it should be covered by the school. The way it is in pretty much every civilized nation on Earth.


but think of the administrator's salaries!

doesn't anyone care about the administrators anymore!?!?
 
2012-09-14 03:16:23 AM

WhyteRaven74: Parents shouldn't be required to foot the bill for food provided by a school, it should be covered by the school. The way it is in pretty much every civilized nation on Earth.


This cafeteria is privatized and therefore the food is not "provided by the school."

Also, parents would be footing the bill if the school were to offer it via property taxes. In fact, those without children are now paying for those kids to eat, regardless of their family's ability to pay.
 
2012-09-14 03:21:57 AM

WhyteRaven74: Parents shouldn't be required to foot the bill for food provided by a school, it should be covered by the school. The way it is in pretty much every civilized nation on Earth.


Bullshiat. Even in France, parents pay for their kids' food.
 
2012-09-14 03:33:56 AM
Why don't they pay the yearly sum at the beginning of the year or make them pay at least 6 weeks ahead and that way they have ample time to be told that they will owe money.

Although missing food for a day never hurt any child and if the day is repeated a call to child services I am sure will get the parents to put their hands in their pockets.

Parents whether your child is special or not if you owe money then your child misses out on what you owe money for. It's that simple.

My child goes to creche and her fees are paid into the centers account by my payroll office.. This not only insures that she will not miss out on lunch but when I asked about before and after school care for when she transitions into school I was told it was guaranteed and I know many parents who were told there are no places.
 
2012-09-14 03:38:19 AM

Bathia_Mapes: I'm really surprised the school didn't do what many do when a kid's parents are delinquent in paying for lunches. Many will give the kid a sandwich and milk so they don't spend the rest of the day hungry. They usually don't punish the kid for the actions of their parents. Hungry kids don't learn as well and have a harder time concentrating on their school work.


Having said that, to say your child was being starved is ridiculous. It's probably safe to assume that the child had breakfast, probably before leaving for school, plus he had a snack too. Hungry, likely. Starved, no freaking way.




School is normally around 9 to 3:30 so that is 6.5 hours. Now think back to the sixties whereby it was common to make children wait 4 hours between meals and he had a snack of mini muffins he was perfectly fine.

When I was at school I had a bottle of water, one sandwich and a piece of fruit. Since I didn't eat the sandwich due to Mum putting on too much butter at school I ate a piece of fruit that was usually an apple. Oh and that was a common occurrence for at least 90% of my schooling..

I think the kid will be fine.
 
2012-09-14 03:48:01 AM
Oh, and it also appears that this family was delinquent from the previous year, given the comments on the article stating that lunches are not refused until the student has a $25 negative balance.

They have had literally months to clear this up and so far they have refused. At what point does a company stop serving freeloaders?

If my kid is autistic, not only am I making his lunch myself, but ensuring with his aide that he actually ate it.

The father says "I would have done anything so he didn't go hungry." Well, sir, for starters, you can start paying your child's lunch bill so that it doesn't get so delinquent from previous years that the company then begins to refuse your child lunch as per the manual they sent to you before the school year started. So don't give me that shiat. You would have done anything, but you didn't do the actual big boy parent things, so now you want someone to blame.
 
2012-09-14 03:52:13 AM
First off the parents should be contacted and dealt with for delinquent lunch bills not the students.

Secondly the lunch personnel should have been made aware the boy was nonverbal it is in the damn records the school has.

Finally give the kid the lunch it not worth the beating in the press for $2.00, feed the kid contact the parents.
 
2012-09-14 03:55:47 AM
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does not approve.
 
2012-09-14 03:58:29 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Having said that, to say your child was being starved is ridiculous.


If he used the word "starve" (not clear if that was him or the newspaper), it might have been a poor choice, but the father made a good point here: They have phones, they have his phone number, they could just call.

Incidentally, I think they are using the verb in the transitive sense, like in the sentence "starve a fever, feed me bacon", meaning that you are weakening something by denying food. "Starve" doesn't always have to mean "to death", unless you are talking about the "sunlight diet".
 
2012-09-14 04:12:20 AM
OMG SOCILIZM AT WURK. I NEW THIZ WULD HAPEN!
 
2012-09-14 04:14:20 AM

Low Budget Dave: They have phones, they have his phone number, they could just call.


According to other articles and comments I have read about this, they were notified. Several times about their delinquent account, an account that has been in arrears since the previous school year (NJ SpecEd kids are mandatory preschool).

He has had the notes, he has had the outline of how to add money to his son's account since at least August. If he didn't understand them (which is odd since he and his wife own a staffing agency with infinitely more complex payment schemes than a school lunch program) he could have contacted the school, you know, before things go to the point where the company's policy was to not serve someone who could pay but would not.
 
2012-09-14 04:52:18 AM
I'm sorry, but any human being who can look at a 5 year old and say sorry no lunch for you should be in turn fed to something large, fanged, and angry. Feet first so they can watch all the way.
 
2012-09-14 04:56:22 AM

Scrambled Zen: I'm sorry, but any human being who can look at a 5 year old and say sorry no that are not smart enough to pay for their kid's lunch when they have the financial resources for you should be in turn fed to something large, fanged, and angry. Feet first so they can watch all the way should be banned from breeding.

 
2012-09-14 05:32:58 AM

Scrambled Zen: I'm sorry, but any human being who can look at a 5 year old and say sorry no lunch for you should be in turn fed to something large, fanged, and angry. Feet first so they can watch all the way.


foul. head out, ass in.....can't see a thing but your chin
 
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2012-09-14 06:37:12 AM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Low Budget Dave: They have phones, they have his phone number, they could just call.

According to other articles and comments I have read about this, they were notified. Several times about their delinquent account, an account that has been in arrears since the previous school year (NJ SpecEd kids are mandatory preschool).

He has had the notes, he has had the outline of how to add money to his son's account since at least August. If he didn't understand them (which is odd since he and his wife own a staffing agency with infinitely more complex payment schemes than a school lunch program) he could have contacted the school, you know, before things go to the point where the company's policy was to not serve someone who could pay but would not.


The online lunch payment system at my son's school was broken for me for about the first two weeks of school. I went to the office to ask for help and they had no idea what to do and promised to contact someone about it. Apparently this person just re-sent the login information that I already had, and which didn't work. Eventually, a week later, the problem resolved itself... Because of allergies, we have to send a lunch so this wasn't an actual problem, but it would have been problematic if we had wanted to buy school lunch.

All the messages that we receive about this are via email, with explicit, "Do not reply to this address," instructions. There is no help email listed on any of the payment pages. Going to the office is unhelpful. It's really not clear, at least without some serious effort, how to resolve a problem.

Obviously none of this may apply to the family in question, as it sounds like they probably had more warnings along the way. However, a school simply should not be permitted not to feed a child at lunchtime (or immediately contact his parents) over a piddly $25 bill. They have legal claim over the kid during the school day, so they have the responsibility to see that he's adequately taken care of regardless of the financial situation. If the bill isn't being paid, there are ways to address that without denying food to the child.
 
2012-09-14 06:55:34 AM
Hard to believe that a non-verbal 5 year old didn't have an aide who could've resolved a crisis as small as a meal at lunch ffs.
 
2012-09-14 07:16:16 AM
The couple told Eyewitness News that what is especially bothersome about the ordeal is their son is nonverbal - as part of his autism, he cannot communicate to the school staff when he is hungry.

I have to assume this is a normie school, and not a special school otherwise the zoo keepers would have been all over it.

Mixing specials and normies does both a disservice.
 
2012-09-14 07:33:51 AM
Uh the billing system for the lunch doesn't seem very complex to me, I'm betting the parents have some sort of a feud going on with the school district or something.. Here's the payment instructions taken right from their website:

:Chartwell's is the food service company that provides breakfast and lunch to the students in the Matawan-Aberdeen Regional School District.

Chartwell's office is located in Matawan Regional High School, room 214.

Students may pre-pay by sending a check payable to MARSDFS. Please write for "lunch only" in the memo section if you do not want your child to purchase snacks."

If those parents can't figure out how to write a check, i'm sure a TEACHER could teach them how. Idiots.
 
2012-09-14 07:34:50 AM

profplump: Mr. Eugenides: Mummy and daddy need to pay their bills and shut the hell up.

I agree. But if we're going to take lunch away from someone shouldn't it be mummy and daddy and not their child? Would you kick someone's dog if its owner failed to scoop its crap?


My kids don't eat if I don't pay for their lunches or make them a bag lunch. I asked the district why they don't just feed the kids and bill the parents. Turns out, when they did that, a substantial number of parents never paid at all. That policy is there for a legitimate reason.
 
2012-09-14 08:01:05 AM

Bathia_Mapes:
Having said that, to say your child was being starved is ridiculous. It's probably safe to assume that the child had breakfast, probably before leaving for school, plus he had a snack too. Hungry, likely. Starved, no freaking way.


Has anyone else noticed how words have way more rhetoric value lately? You're not hungry, your STARVING, you're not mildly inconvenienced, you're OPPRESSED. You don't disagree with the President on a policy issue, you HATE THAT GODDAMN KENYAN SOCIALIST.

Problems used to be things that were solved. Now they're just things to crank up the rhetoric. It's almost become more convenient and lucrative.


God -- it's all A or Z anymore.
 
2012-09-14 08:14:39 AM
This is why we should separate the retarded kids from the normal ones. I mean, a kid can't talk and he is in school? Why? I assume nonverbal means he is also severely messed up in other ways, not just an average kid who is mute.
 
2012-09-14 09:13:50 AM
Sage Temple speaks truth. The headline could just have easily read. "Idiot Parent Doesn't Remember to Send Lunch Money." Maybe the responsibility is ::gasp:: shared.
 
2012-09-14 09:44:21 AM
Billing issue... Hummm---SO the parents did not pay the reloadable lunch card for their non verbal autistic 5 year old? It's the schools fault for not contacting the parent? Actually NO- it's the parents responsibility for checking the balance on the card. Does not matter if the kid is autistic or not-parents responsibility. END.
 
2012-09-14 09:47:03 AM
Actually this stupid stuff is very common in schools these days. Last year my daughter forgot to put her lunch in her backpack and the school let her starve instead of calling me or getting her a school lunch. I was 5 minutes away and could have dropped off her lunch in a heartbeat if I knew.

I've heard similar stories from parents of kids in other schools. Today's teachers & administrators focus so much on the disruptive, loud kids that they neglect to act when well-behaved kids have an issue!
 
2012-09-14 09:56:28 AM

Omahawg: what about that time Chris Chambers stole the milk-money and then felt guilty and turned it over to Old Lady Simons who stole the money from him and bought herself a dress? what about that? huh?

those farkin' chambers are the same everywhere, man


I don't believe him
 
2012-09-14 10:25:23 AM

jtown: Yeah, something went off-track here. AFAIK, all schools have the "pity lunch" policy where they give the kid some sort of minimal nutrition (PB&J and a carton of malk or somesuch) regardless of their ability to pay. And missing a single meal isn't going to harm a kid. The school has already acknowledged that this isn't the way things were supposed to go down. Going full AW over the situation is over the top. They should submit their tale to The Consumerist.


Any school I've ever worked at, the kids were fed anyway. And I sent some delinquent lunch bills home that were almost $100.

I don't know what they'd do if the parents just NEVER paid. Luckily that wasn't my problem.
 
2012-09-14 10:32:49 AM
John Robert Caravella of Matawan was in his fourth day at Cliffwood Elementary School when he was denied lunch due to a delinquent bill, the report said.

Lol, 4th day at school and you got parents that haven't considered paying for your lunch at all. You got bigger troubles than autism.
 
2012-09-14 10:41:03 AM

Thunderpipes: This is why we should separate the retarded kids from the normal ones. I mean, a kid can't talk and he is in school? Why? I assume nonverbal means he is also severely messed up in other ways, not just an average kid who is mute.


You know we have this thing called special ed, right? This kid's long term goals from school are probably to be able to bag groceries and help take care of himself. Understanding calendars, reading time, all those basic life skills that also get worked into the normal classes are things he'll need to be able to do.

\My younger brother talks when he has to, but he'll never be able to live on his own because he wouldn't reach out if there was something wrong.
\\My sister recently saw this patient who ultimately died from this huge tumor on his face. He was an autistic adult who lived alone, keeping up with family over the phone, standing grocery delivery order. Apparently he wasn't seeing anyone face to face and never mentioned the tumor. The family only found out about it when he stopped picking up the phone because it had made him physically unable to talk. But by then it had metastasized, of course. It's scary to think that could happen.
 
2012-09-14 10:50:56 AM

KawaiiNot: Last year my daughter forgot to put her lunch in her backpack and the school let her starve instead of calling me or getting her a school lunch.


I am surprised that you are posting from within prison. Because I know that if a school had literally let my child starve, which is to mean that they caused her severe pain from hunger, I would have beaten someone to a pulp.

Or perhaps you simply meant that she was mildly hungry that day until she got home and had a snack.
 
2012-09-14 12:24:56 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Thunderpipes: This is why we should separate the retarded kids from the normal ones. I mean, a kid can't talk and he is in school? Why? I assume nonverbal means he is also severely messed up in other ways, not just an average kid who is mute.

You know we have this thing called special ed, right? This kid's long term goals from school are probably to be able to bag groceries and help take care of himself. Understanding calendars, reading time, all those basic life skills that also get worked into the normal classes are things he'll need to be able to do.

\My younger brother talks when he has to, but he'll never be able to live on his own because he wouldn't reach out if there was something wrong.
\\My sister recently saw this patient who ultimately died from this huge tumor on his face. He was an autistic adult who lived alone, keeping up with family over the phone, standing grocery delivery order. Apparently he wasn't seeing anyone face to face and never mentioned the tumor. The family only found out about it when he stopped picking up the phone because it had made him physically unable to talk. But by then it had metastasized, of course. It's scary to think that could happen.


The kid is non-verbal, as such he should have an aide with him at all times. Thunderpipes, imagine you were in a completely different country, didn't know the language, didn't have any money, or any way to communicate with the locals. It would be pretty frustrating right? That's what this kid is going through. Just because he's Autistic and non-verbal, doesn't mean he's "retarded" and should be segregated. Go back to the 1950's,
 
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