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(CBS News)   The stirring tale of how a young boy caged in an internment camp grew up to drive the most advanced starship in all Starfleet -- in song. Oh my, it's "George Takei: The Musical"   (cbsnews.com) divider line 33
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2012-09-14 01:14:11 AM
Yeah, but like every other musical, I bet it's going to end in a big circle jerk.
 
2012-09-14 01:15:54 AM
He wasn't that great a driver, either

/always rear-ending things...
 
2012-09-14 01:45:34 AM
If you are subscribed to him on facebook like I was, he was spamming the crap out of us to watch the musical so we were already aware.


/I really need to kill my facebook account,
 
2012-09-14 03:18:58 AM
Saw Takei in "To Boldly Go ... " with the MN orchestra
Fun and good music.

Not sure what to think of a serious musical with him in it though.
 
2012-09-14 03:58:08 AM

MadSkillz: If you are subscribed to him on facebook like I was, he was spamming the crap out of us to watch the musical so we were already aware.


/I really need to kill my facebook account,


Same here, but most of his posts are still funny.
 
2012-09-14 04:03:27 AM
A young boy caged a whole internment camp?
 
2012-09-14 04:59:04 AM
Sulu couldn't drive without Chekov telling him where to go. "Turn left! Right here! Now!"
 
2012-09-14 06:15:43 AM
...most advanced starship in all starfleet science fiction history.

FTFY subby.
 
2012-09-14 06:17:12 AM

BumpInTheNight: ...most advanced starship in all starfleet science fiction history.

FTFY subby.


Nah, I don't think any version of the Enterprise is even sentient.
 
2012-09-14 06:43:02 AM

MadSkillz: If you are subscribed to him on facebook like I was, he was spamming the crap out of us to watch the musical so we were already aware.


/I really need to kill my facebook account,


I never felt the need to subscribe, since several friends "share" every farking thing he posts.
 
2012-09-14 07:39:40 AM

Alphax: BumpInTheNight: ...most advanced starship in all starfleet science fiction history.

FTFY subby.

Nah, I don't think any version of the Enterprise is even sentient.


Yeah, HAL, as the personality of the Discovery, was more advanced.
 
2012-09-14 08:07:48 AM

MadSkillz: If you are subscribed to him on facebook like I was, he was spamming the crap out of us to watch the musical so we were already aware.


He did lay it on a little thick, but the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII is something that a lot of people know little to nothing about. It's a dark passage in our history, and even the Supreme Court's upholding of the detention in Koramatsu v. U.S. shows just how far we can erode basic rights at a time of war. (Justice Hugo Black expressed deep regret over his vote in that case years after the fact and marked it as one of the worst mistakes he had ever made as a jurist.) In any case, I'm okay with him pushing it so much, considering he was one of those Japanese-Americans forced to live in a camp.
 
2012-09-14 08:13:44 AM

MadSkillz: If you are subscribed to him on facebook like I was, he was spamming the crap out of us to watch the musical so we were already aware.


/I really need to kill my facebook account,


What you apparently need to do is grow a sense of humor.
 
2012-09-14 08:14:43 AM

Nabb1: He did lay it on a little thick, but the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII is something that a lot of people know little to nothing abou


I remember there was a sentence about it in my high school American history book. (We always ended up glossing over recent history in every class I took anyway because the teachers would always take too long early in the year to get there). But I remember thinking, huh, that sounds sort of awful, wonder why I don't hear more about that.
 
2012-09-14 08:20:30 AM

Confabulat: Nabb1: He did lay it on a little thick, but the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII is something that a lot of people know little to nothing abou

I remember there was a sentence about it in my high school American history book. (We always ended up glossing over recent history in every class I took anyway because the teachers would always take too long early in the year to get there). But I remember thinking, huh, that sounds sort of awful, wonder why I don't hear more about that.


I didn't hearing about it until I moved in with my girlfriend. "Oh yeah" she goes, "wanna go see it?"
"Sure" says I, "Uh...why aren't we getting in the car?"
"Guess".
 
2012-09-14 08:37:56 AM

Nabb1: He did lay it on a little thick, but the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII is something that a lot of people know little to nothing about.


What?

The only ones who *HAVEN'T* heard about it are the ones who don't know history anyway. Good luck trying to reach them.
 
2012-09-14 08:54:49 AM
FTA: "The other irony that I remember now is when we started school, they taught us the Pledge of Allegiance," Takei said. "I could see barbed wire fences and the sentry tower right outside my schoolhouse window as I recited the words 'liberty and justice for all.'"

Wow. That's depressing.

Also, while reading all his quotes, I could hear them in his voice in my mind. Oh, my!
 
2012-09-14 09:01:44 AM

dittybopper: Nabb1: He did lay it on a little thick, but the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII is something that a lot of people know little to nothing about.

What?

The only ones who *HAVEN'T* heard about it are the ones who don't know history anyway. Good luck trying to reach them.


You mean, like, um, kids? Or people born after the nineteen-forties?
 
2012-09-14 09:02:20 AM

dittybopper: Nabb1: He did lay it on a little thick, but the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII is something that a lot of people know little to nothing about.

What?

The only ones who *HAVEN'T* heard about it are the ones who don't know history anyway. Good luck trying to reach them.


I don't know about that. I think you can go through American schools and be pretty well-informed and never hear about it. It's not something that is emphasized or anything. Not everyone spends a lot of time thinking about WWII.
 
2012-09-14 09:09:37 AM
Dry.... Oatmeal.....
 
2012-09-14 09:27:08 AM

Confabulat: I remember there was a sentence about it in my high school American history book.


In the context of WWII, and the fact that high school history is highly condensed, that sounds about right. I would be shocked and saddened if it were given much greater coverage than that in a high school textbook, not because it wasn't wrong, but in the larger context of the war it was a very minor piece of it, and setting aside the human rights abuses inherent in taking people's property and confining them for no reason, they were fairly well treated. They were truly internment camps, not the hard labor or outright death camps like the Nazis, Soviets, and Japanese ran.

Again, it was WRONG, but in the context of the greater evils perpetrated during that time, it was a relatively minor evil*. The mortality rate in the camps was on par with overall civilian mortality in the US at the time, and it was barely twice the civilian mortality today in the US, with all our modern medicine. The living conditions were spartan, at least at first, but not inhumane.

So yeah, a single sentence in a high school history text in the chapter covering WWII seems about right. Enough to let you know it happened, but not so much as to make it seem more important than the much bigger and worse abuses that occurred during that time.


*Obviously, not so minor if you were one of the interred. 
 
2012-09-14 09:43:06 AM

sirrerun: dittybopper: Nabb1: He did lay it on a little thick, but the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII is something that a lot of people know little to nothing about.

What?

The only ones who *HAVEN'T* heard about it are the ones who don't know history anyway. Good luck trying to reach them.

You mean, like, um, kids? Or people born after the nineteen-forties?


Hey, I'm not that old.
 
2012-09-14 09:53:15 AM

dittybopper: Again, it was WRONG, but in the context of the greater evils perpetrated during that time, it was a relatively minor evil*. The mortality rate in the camps was on par with overall civilian mortality in the US at the time, and it was barely twice the civilian mortality today in the US, with all our modern medicine. The living conditions were spartan, at least at first, but not inhumane.

So yeah, a single sentence in a high school history text in the chapter covering WWII seems about right. Enough to let you know it happened, but not so much as to make it seem more important than the much bigger and worse abuses that occurred during that time.


*Obviously, not so minor if you were one of the interred.


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Pfft! Denying REAL AMERICANS not TM, including children their basic civil rights in aon overreaction to war is no big deal? Wow.  Just . . wow.
 
2012-09-14 09:59:52 AM

Confabulat: dittybopper: Nabb1: He did lay it on a little thick, but the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII is something that a lot of people know little to nothing about.

What?

The only ones who *HAVEN'T* heard about it are the ones who don't know history anyway. Good luck trying to reach them.

I don't know about that. I think you can go through American schools and be pretty well-informed and never hear about it. It's not something that is emphasized or anything. Not everyone spends a lot of time thinking about WWII.


I think at this point you will hear about it. Whether you *REMEMBER* it is one thing, but at some point, if you are "well-informed", you were at least exposed to it.

Then again, you may just be right: I just checked my college history textbook from 1992*, that covers from 1815 up to the 1980s or so, and it covers all of WWII in a total of 26 pages, some of which are wholly taken up by maps, and it gives the Holocaust a single large paragraph, roughly half a page in size. It doesn't seem to mention Japanese-American internment camps, however. In the context of how much history is summarized in those scant few pages, that doesn't seem to be out of line, though a single sentence acknowledging it would have been nice.

*"A History of the Modern World since 1815" by Palmer and Colton 1992 edition
 
2012-09-14 10:15:04 AM

RedT: Pfft! Denying REAL AMERICANS not TM, including children their basic civil rights in aon overreaction to war is no big deal? Wow.  Just . . wow.


Um, did you miss the part where I emphasized that it was wrong? Here, let me quote that part again for you:

Again, it was WRONG, but in the context of the greater evils perpetrated during that time, it was a relatively minor evil (Obviously, not so minor if you were one of the interred)

So, what was your point again? Did I in any way justify it as necessary? Did I say it was an appropriate response to Pearl Harbor?

Also, saying "including children" is a blatant appeal to emotion: What if the relocation only applied to adults? The children would have still been affected by being taken from their parents, and you'd still be arguing the children angle. It was wrong overall, and not any more wrong merely because children were interned with their parents. In fact, given the fact of internment, having the children go with their parents is the right way to handle that. And again, that's not a justification of internment itself, but an argument against your cheap appeal to emotion.
 
2012-09-14 10:16:13 AM

dittybopper: Obviously, not so minor if you were one of the interred


Or interned, even.

/Really sucks to be interred prematurely.
 
2012-09-14 11:08:44 AM

dittybopper: Nabb1: He did lay it on a little thick, but the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII is something that a lot of people know little to nothing about.

What?

The only ones who *HAVEN'T* heard about it are the ones who don't know history anyway. Good luck trying to reach them.


It's not hard. I talked about it briefly with my daughter (age 11) earlier in the year. She learned a bit about Nazis, and I seized the moment to teach her a lesson in watching what her own government does to be aware that evil can happen at home and she has to be aware of what's going on to be able to fight it.
 
2012-09-14 03:29:19 PM
Going to see it Saturday night.
 
2012-09-14 03:33:46 PM

BumpInTheNight: ...most advanced starship in all starfleet science fiction history.

FTFY subby.


Frowns on your shenanigans: 

oyster.ignimgs.com
 
2012-09-14 06:10:00 PM

KellyKellyKelly: MadSkillz: If you are subscribed to him on facebook like I was, he was spamming the crap out of us to watch the musical so we were already aware.


/I really need to kill my facebook account,

I never felt the need to subscribe, since several friends "share" every farking thing he posts.


Is it bad if I recommended my daughter subscribe after I did and thought all his stuff was funny?
 
2012-09-14 09:00:40 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: He wasn't that great a driver, either

/always rear-ending things...


But he did it with passion.

"FLY HER APART, THEN!"

I hope they show this play in New York.
 
2012-09-14 10:13:19 PM
My grandfather was in one of the camps. I have a copy of the letter he was given on release. He was advised that he could not own a transmitting radio or binoculars.
 
2012-09-15 04:42:27 PM

dittybopper: .
Also, saying "including children" is a blatant appeal to emotion -- blah, blah, blah . . .>


Yeah, all that but also the FACT that Takei was a child at the time.

But hey, regardless, it wasn't such a big deal if it wasn't you. Atre you still trying to figure out what all those Jews are still belly aching about?

 
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