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2012-09-14 12:24:46 AM
6 votes:
Hugo Schwyzer is a feminist professor that attempted to kill his girlfriend in a murder suicide

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Hugo Schwyzer is a feminist professor that slept with four students on a bus tour THAT HE WAS THE DELEGATED CHAPERONE OF.
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He actually has a much longer history of sleeping with his students than just that bus trip.

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Hugo Schwyzer is a feminist professor that likely had a child with another woman, has tried to keep the woman's husband in the dark for years about this, while the woman's husband supports the child, and then Hugo defends keeping fathers in the dark about their kids.

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If anyone wants to dig into that, it becomes clear that for years Hugo has been involved in the continuing deception of Ted so that Hugo could live his life free of child support, parenting duties, and able to sleep with his students.

Hugo Schwyzer is a feminist professor whose job is 100% mansplaining to female students about their oppression

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So yeah, mansplaining, Hugo Schwyzer is an expert at this.
2012-09-13 11:15:20 PM
6 votes:
Patronizing. The term is patronizing.

1. It's easier to say.
2. It's a real thing.
2012-09-13 08:27:27 PM
6 votes:
Is there a trendy term that means "stupid biatch making up words for their deeply insightful blog"?
2012-09-14 01:25:37 AM
5 votes:

Gawdzila: So what happens when women do this?


And this, ladies and gentleman, is the crux of the whole gender equality issue. If you've so polarized that you believe some bullshiat like "Oh MEN are always so condescending, but women almost never are!" you've gone full derp. Stop thinking of and categorizing people based on what organs they have between their legs and realize that personality, by and large, is not determined by sex.

But then, I'm just being misogynistic I guess.
2012-09-14 12:51:45 AM
4 votes:

FishyFred: The atheist community has had a problem with misogyny for years. Men in powerful positions used their influence to harass and intimidate women, often behind-the-scenes, often at conferences. I don't think anyone has "named names" but people who would know have done pretty much everything short of titling their blog posts "Re: Richard Dawkins."

Well-meaning people hoped that the problem would go away once the community reached a critical mass of equal representation, but once we got close and women like Rebecca Watson and Jen McCreight started bringing up women's issues -- everyone's issues, really, but clearly issues that hurt women more directly than they hurt men -- they were subjected to the most vile, ridiculous attacks by people who should know better.

But yeah, they've been "scapegoating" white men because they dared to mention a few negative experiences they've had at conferences. Come the fark on.


There's been little evidence of an epidemic of harassment or intimidation by powerful men.

The reason everyone is down on Rebecca Watson, Jen McCreight, et.al is not because they're merely bringing up womens' issues, it's because they're causing shiatloads of drama over problems they can't actually demonstrate to exist. Rebecca is boycotting TAM because she says "women aren't safe there"? What the fark? That's just dumb. She holds up anonymous YouTube comments and comments on her blog as evidence of the "rampant sexism" in the skeptical community.

It's incredibly stupid. The Skepchick/FTB community is trying to hallmonitor for something that doesn't exist. THAT is why they are getting so much vitriol and pushback. It's not because they're women. When Eugenie Scott goes up on stage nobody makes sexist remarks. She has everyone's utmost respect because she presents herself as a scientist who knows her shiat, not because she has decided to play the politics of shaming to force everyone to set her aside as a protected class.

Earn your way on the f*cking stage, ladies.
2012-09-14 12:28:44 AM
4 votes:
Mansplaining itself is a term used in feminist and feminist friendly, feminist protected spaces to dismiss and ignore the valid concerns expressed in that forum by a male.

There is plenty of femsplaining, basically it's called tumblr, and Jezebel, and xx factor, and free thought blogs, and pretty much any place that wants to police speech, and demand recognition of the oppression of women without actually discussing alternative points of view.

Mansplaining when used in this way is rude, ad hominem, insulting, derailing, bullying, privileged dog whistles.
2012-09-13 08:47:17 PM
4 votes:
Mansplaining is about a very specific instance of "privilege and ignorance... when a dude tells you, a woman, how to do something you already know how to do, or how you are wrong about something you are actually right about, or miscellaneous and inaccurate 'facts' about something you know a hell of a lot more about than he does."

Jezebel columnist Hugo Schwyzer


I didn't realize Hugo was a female name. This was clearly written by someone who has never been asked to load the dishwasher "the right way."
2012-09-14 01:33:07 AM
3 votes:
Wait...this thread needed a trigger warning alert because my fragile female feelings might be hurt!

/kidding

But seriously, I stop taking people seriously when they use terms like "mansplaining".
2012-09-14 01:21:57 AM
3 votes:

doloresonthedottedline: In theory. But see, here's the thing. In real life I've never been outspoken about my beliefs in a way that was anything but earnestly trying to get people to understand that I'm not insulting them or threatening them


One problem is that the word "mansplain" itself, on its very face, sounds so condescending to people who might otherwise agree with you that it doesn't even matter if you try to convince them that you're not being insulting, you're going to get backlash. It's like calling a girl a bimbo and then insisting that you weren't trying to be rude. I know why the word exists, my mom was an academic feminist, and I still think that the word itself is both useless (in that it is very easily supplanted by other more common words) and counterproductive (in that it sets otherwise agreeable people on the defensive). TBH it seems mostly like a word that feminists use to complain about men than a word that is useful in any rhetorical fashion.
2012-09-14 01:10:52 AM
3 votes:
Has any one mentioned how all the dumb shiat she complains about and labels 'mansplaining' are things that everyone (both genders) do on a regular basis to everyone? And that the idea that only men do these things is the height of sexism?
2012-09-14 01:09:29 AM
3 votes:
Anyone - male or female - who appends "man" or "bro" to a word has self-confidence and self-assurance issues.
2012-09-14 12:31:28 AM
3 votes:

debug: So what do they call this when a woman does it to another woman?


Women are the biggest misogynists of all.
2012-09-14 12:29:46 AM
3 votes:

doloresonthedottedline: thomps: Spoon over Marin: feminism thread?

this being fark, i'm going to go with misogyny thread.

Yeah. Saw the thread, tried to run away quickly but couldn't resist skimming.

Maybe not quite as bad as I expected but bad enough that I need to leave for the sake of my blood pressure. Definitely a misogyny fest.

/most Fark threads about anything relating to women are full of great "mansplaining" examples


Go take a Midol, you're getting hormonal.
2012-09-14 12:28:08 AM
3 votes:
So let me get this straight. 'Cause you know, I'm a guy, and my overconfidence and ignorance have me at a disadvantage.

The general gist is, that when a man tells a woman about something she thinks she knows better about, a term, such as "mansplaining", is necessary to describe the nature of the disagreement between said man and said woman. Is that about right?

Because if I had a toothpick for every time some pair of tits on a stick yapped on and on, incessantly, about something she knew F|_|CK all about, I could build a farking space elevator, and have enough left over for a few life-sized Eiffel Towers. Someone please provide me with a term describing said yapping, because the ones I use are NSFW.
2012-09-14 12:25:49 AM
3 votes:

quickdraw: doglover: Patronizing. The term is patronizing.

1. It's easier to say.
2. It's a real thing.

Its not the same. "Patronizing" has other connotations that make it sound more positive. I patronize the grocery store on a regular basis and they like it.


Of course it isn't the same. Patronizing is a real thing. I wrote that.

Also, you're sexist is you think patronizing only goes from man to woman. I've had more than a few people I've simply told to shut up (and many more bosses I wanted to tell to shut up) who were ignorant as sin trying to tell me my business. I do it too, when I'm not careful.

So basically that's why it's called "patronizing" instead of "phallopressive enlighightenrape"
2012-09-14 12:24:25 AM
3 votes:

rustypouch: Indeed.

Even asking questions on those boards is enough to get banned.

But it's great if you want to learn about how white men are responsible for things that happened before they were born.


Yeah, they have a "safe space" policy. I thought "safe space" just meant that they had zero tolerance for insults or harassment. No, a "safe space" literally means that dissenting opinions are not allowed - ostensibly because they have "no where else to go" to say such stupid things without push back. So it is an actual zero dissent policy. Great way to start an intellectual movement, I'm sure that won't backfire into a coerced groupthink and people who can't relate to the outside world.

The trend I noticed was that they seem to spin all of their own inadequacies, or discomforts, as the result of the "privilege" of someone else. The most farking ridiculous thing I saw was a blog post linked that told me that speaking in a deep voice around women is "exercising my privilege" and I shouldn't do it because it shuts down the willingness of women around me to participate in discussion.
What the fark??? That is not a problem of my "privilege". That is Social Anxiety Disorder.
2012-09-14 12:19:52 AM
3 votes:
I just asked my girlfriend what she thought of mansplaining.

She called it retarded, and probably made up by a very angry lesbian.

/That's why she's a keeper
2012-09-14 12:15:53 AM
3 votes:

ZipSplat: This annoying bullshiat has been popping up in the atheist/skeptical community lately as well. Apparently "feminism" and "social justice" mean "scapegoating white 'cisgendered' males for one's personal inadequacies and creating gender-specific terms (like 'mansplaining') for generic human traits".

It's f*cking dumb and counterproductive. Reading the nascent Atheism Plus forums is an awful experience.


Indeed.

Even asking questions on those boards is enough to get banned.

But it's great if you want to learn about how white men are responsible for things that happened before they were born.
2012-09-13 11:45:37 PM
3 votes:
oh look, misogynist Farkers insulted by a feminist joke. Boo hoo, did somebody hurt your fragile male egos?

"mansplaining" means "a man being condescending to a woman because he's a man and she's a woman." And furthermore if she thinks what he's saying is nonsensical or patently unfair, in addition to being condescending, that is more proof that he needs to "mansplain" to her silly women brainz until she accepts his superiority without question.

It's an in-joke on feminist blogs, get over it.

It does happen in real life though, This summer I had the misfortune to accidentally overhear a couple of guys mansplaining to a housewife about how the Democrats wanted to take everybody's guns because of the Batman shooting. They talked down to her like she was a 10 year old kid.
2012-09-13 11:33:34 PM
3 votes:
I bet the author claims misandry doesn't exist.
2012-09-13 10:53:41 PM
3 votes:

thomps: Spoon over Marin: feminism thread?

this being fark, i'm going to go with misogyny thread.


They're the same thing.
2012-09-13 10:49:21 PM
3 votes:

Spoon over Marin: feminism thread?


this being fark, i'm going to go with misogyny thread.
2012-09-13 08:40:05 PM
3 votes:
How about 'spaining where my GODDAMNED SAMMICH is?
2012-09-13 08:32:51 PM
3 votes:
Uh huh.

Look, if you don't want to hear about why the coach is an idiot to attempt a screen on 3rd and 15, then don't watch football with us. Or, learn about football and get a discussion.
2012-09-14 11:25:26 AM
2 votes:
We don't actually need a new term for this. We already have one. It's called "being an asshole."

And it's a common behavior among both men and women.
2012-09-14 09:01:14 AM
2 votes:
FTA:In nearly 20 years of teaching gender studies courses,

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2012-09-14 06:35:11 AM
2 votes:

Quinsisdos: If you really want to see social justice idiocy, Tumblr has it in spades


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Ah, too bad this one wasn't the first in this thread.
2012-09-14 03:02:52 AM
2 votes:
There is a small part of me that wonders whether the Jezebel type of women understand that the Taliban is what a "Patricarchy" looks like.

"You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means".
2012-09-14 01:41:45 AM
2 votes:
Euclidean geometry. Parabolic geometry. Hyperbolic geometry. Projective geometry. Differential geometry. Algebra. Limits, continuity, differentiation, integration. Physical chemistry. Organic chemistry. Biochemistry. Classical mechanics. The indeterminacy principle. The wave equation. The Parthenon. The Anabasis. Air conditioning. Number theory. Romanesque architecture. Gothic architecture. Information theory. Entropy. Enthalpy. Almost every symphony ever written. Pierre Auguste Renoir. The twelve-tone scale. The mathematics behind it, twelfth root of two and all that. S-p hybrid bonding orbitals. The Bohr-Sommerfeld atom. The purine-pyrimidine structure of the DNA ladder. Single-sideband radio. All other radio. Dentistry. The internal-combustion engine. Turbojets. Turbofans. Doppler beam-sharpening. Penicillin. Airplanes. Surgery. The mammogram. The Pill. The condom. Polio vaccine. The integrated circuit. The computer. Football. Computational fluid dynamics. Tensors. The Constitution. Euripides, Sophocles, Aristophanes, Aeschylus, Homer, Hesiod. Glass. Rubber. Nylon. Roads. Buildings. Elvis. Acetylcholinesterase inhibitors. (OK, those are nerve agents, and maybe we didn't really need them.) Silicone. The automobile. Really weird stuff, like clathrates, Buckyballs, and rotaxanes. The Bible. Bug spray. Diffie-Hellman, public-key cryptography, and RSA. Et cetera.

Yup, that's what men did. We don't need to explain it, you use it every day. This "word" is worthless.
2012-09-14 01:40:00 AM
2 votes:
Receptionist: How do you write women so well?
Melvin Udall: Easy. I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.
2012-09-14 01:20:47 AM
2 votes:
The only time the term occurs to me is if a man tells me how I should feel about a feminist issue. Stupid example (but one that shouldn't cause an argument): I hate the movie Death Proof, but several male friends tell me I'm wrong for not liking it, because "it's a feminist movie." To me, mansplaining is the equivalent of me, a white person, telling a non-white person how to feel about racism in America. The article is offensive, however, in a trolltastic way, and makes Jezebel look like a typical vapid ladymag except biatchier.
2012-09-14 01:13:03 AM
2 votes:
Generalizations. Some women are smart, some are stupid, just like men.

Show me one who knows what the red button on the garbage disposal does. (or knew before just now that it existed)

Show me a pretty girl who knows how to change a tire. Good luck. And I don't mean IN THEORY, show me one who has actually done it!


I know several female engineers. ENGINEERS who don't know seriously basic information about how machines they use every day operate. It's not that they're terrible, but they are at the lower end of the pack (with many of the guys).


HOWEVER

The most competent person I have ever worked with was a woman named Eleanor, who had multiple degrees and they weren't just paper. She got stuff done and was super-efficient about it. And wasn't a biatch in any way.

Unfortunately, Eleanor has been the only one of her type so far.
2012-09-14 01:02:12 AM
2 votes:
i42.photobucket.com

I'm so glad I'm gay and don't have to put up with lady shiat like this.
2012-09-14 01:01:50 AM
2 votes:

GranoblasticMan: [i16.photobucket.com image 300x300]

/ Can someone mansplain this article to me?


Phallorepresive eightenrape is offensive to the womyn master race.
2012-09-14 12:43:31 AM
2 votes:
*Do you actually know what you're talking about?

As Rebecca Solnit pointed out in her original post on the subject, mansplaining at its heart is about the cocksuredness of the ignorant. It's one thing to be an insufferable know-it-all when one actually does know it all. It's another thing -- a mansplainy thing -- to pretend you know more about botany or fractals or Riot Grrl than you actually do.


So what happens when women do this? Is it still mansplainy?
*eyeroll*
Stupid article is stupid. And insulting to men.


MeanJean: Mansplaining, or downsplaining, is when a person who has privilege attempts to "explain" to a Marginalized Person (tm) that they are wrong in their complaints about being marginalized.


This seems like a much more reasonable definition to me.
2012-09-14 12:40:12 AM
2 votes:

telaran: It sounds like they're trying to create a rift between religious people who are interested in social justice and atheists who are interested in social justice. That just doesn't make any sense. It'd be counterproductive to any actual social justice activism.


I haven't seen evidence of that yet. At my own peril my opinion of them draws on my impression of their behavior. They seem like the kind of people who are constantly looking for a way to feel oppressed, like anything that happens to them is because they've been victimized by someone else.

There's also a shiatload of hyperbole. If someone says "jesus christ I hope you get hit by a car" they commonly spin that as "OMG DEATH THREATS!!!" Or someone once said "you're too ugly to rape", which was promptly spun as a rape threat. It's just so dumb.
2012-09-14 12:38:35 AM
2 votes:

doloresonthedottedline: If I thought more people would be as liberal with their use of the ignore button as I am, I'd speak up more often and just let people who wanted to post obnoxious shiat ignore me, but, alas, that doesn't happen.


This thread is a really good source of people to favorite or ignore, though. Maybe this wasn't a mistake.

/but more wine just in case



I gotta ask Dolores, all your -isms notwithstanding, don't you agree that when anyone tries to demonize, marginalize, or stereotype anyone else, by creating or using terms intentionally insulting and divisive, like "mansplaining", that we all lose? Doesn't that kind of thing redraw thicker battle lines, and move people away from consensus and mutual respect?
2012-09-14 12:29:15 AM
2 votes:
What's she's describing is called 'bullshiatting.' What she's doing is 'bullshiatting.'

On Bullshiat
2012-09-14 12:15:44 AM
2 votes:
"mansplaining is the "intersection between overconfidence and cluelessness where some portion of (the male) gender gets stuck.""

Funny change the "male" to "female" and Id call it "feminism". Id point out everything else thats wrong and just a flat out lie about the article but Im sure someone like the author would come along and tell me why Im wrong because I have a penis.
2012-09-14 12:11:08 AM
2 votes:

debug: So what do they call this when a woman does it to another woman?


Being a biatch.
2012-09-14 12:10:08 AM
2 votes:

doloresonthedottedline: You sound male.


Gender scapegoating. Who says biatches can't do it too?
2012-09-14 12:08:27 AM
2 votes:
Everything that the author is pissing and moaning about, women are guilty of, too.

/If you explain to a woman that you'd like to know what book she's reading, then you're mansplaining to such a violent degree that you deserve instant castration.
2012-09-14 12:06:48 AM
2 votes:

FishyFred: ZipSplat: This annoying bullshiat has been popping up in the atheist/skeptical community lately as well. Apparently "feminism" and "social justice" mean "scapegoating white 'cisgendered' males for one's personal inadequacies and creating gender-specific terms (like 'mansplaining') for generic human traits".

That's just wrong. Utterly incorrect.


Well, see, that's why we have dialog. So you can weigh in with more than a denial.
2012-09-14 12:06:25 AM
2 votes:
Wasn't that just five tips for being a decent human being, independent of your gender or the gender of the person with whom you're conversing?
2012-09-14 12:05:25 AM
2 votes:

MeanJean:
Ed cetera, ad nauseum.

/by the way, I've seen both of those things happen in real life


Applying that class dynamic to it, instead of just using the words we already have for this behavior, seems to make it much more likely to be used in a fallacious context. In feminism and Atheism Plus conversations I've been in this stuff ends up being wielded like a floppy-handled battle axe, a quick way for someone to fallaciously swat down comments by dissenters. It's got that twinge of Orwellian redefinition to it that allows a group to encourage misunderstanding and insulate delusion.
2012-09-13 11:54:03 PM
2 votes:
I was at the break area the other day and looked at the communal cork board and saw an advertisement for a "Spa-tabulous" birthday" that could be arranged by contacting the telephone number listed. This was apparently a combination of some mobile spa treatments and the "word" "fantabulous". Which is itself a conjunction of "fabulous" and "fantastic". I think. But when you form "Spa-tabulous" we enter into a danger zone of abbreviation. All that is left of the word "fantastic" is the letter 't'. Furthermore, without that hyphen the real meaning is observed to be as something to do with "Spat". Even with this negative analysis it seems that 'mansplaining' is about as poetic of a combination of words as referring to Nickelback as poets.
2012-09-13 11:52:58 PM
2 votes:
Anyone who uses words like "manscaping", "mansplaining" or "mankini" needs to have their dick ripped off and handed to them.
2012-09-13 11:39:12 PM
2 votes:
i291.photobucket.com
2012-09-13 10:33:11 PM
2 votes:

Ed Finnerty: AbbeySomeone: Men are frequently useful and docile creatures but sometimes lack basic recognition skills. The must be dealt with firmly and with a calm, encouraging voice. Simple details are the best.

Yes, dear.


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2012-09-13 08:56:08 PM
2 votes:
Well, that was five minutes I'll never get back.

/Why do men and women delight in making shiat so complicated?
2012-09-13 08:45:12 PM
2 votes:
Hey look, a second wave feminist! A rare sighting indeed. Shame she makes the third wavers look bad.
2012-09-13 08:43:50 PM
2 votes:
aw that article was adorable, good for you. have your husband show you how to print it out so you can scrapbook it!
2012-09-13 08:19:37 PM
2 votes:
feminainvicta.files.wordpress.com
2012-09-15 09:37:49 AM
1 votes:
Lovelight: when I read the word "mansplain" all I get is "you have a penis so everything you do is wrong."

what am I missing?


Not a heck of a lot. It is a thought-terminating term that feminists use to shut-down men who have the temerity to voice disagreement.

Feminists have a lot of similar euphemisms for disagreement: "backlash", "not getting it", "silencing women" etc. This is because one of their firmest assumptions is that men are de facto wrong while women are de facto right.

If you watch their greasy, oily attempts at argumentation they act as if they're utterly terrified of a fair and honest debate.

I agree: feminists are right to be afraid. Their fear of an honest debate is warranted; you wouldn't believe the number of women who think they're utterly repellent.
2012-09-14 12:55:01 PM
1 votes:

ZombiesYall: CtrlAltDestroy: ZombiesYall: The only time the term occurs to me is if a man tells me how I should feel about a feminist issue. Stupid example (but one that shouldn't cause an argument): I hate the movie Death Proof, but several male friends tell me I'm wrong for not liking it, because "it's a feminist movie." To me, mansplaining is the equivalent of me, a white person, telling a non-white person how to feel about racism in America. The article is offensive, however, in a trolltastic way, and makes Jezebel look like a typical vapid ladymag except biatchier.

So, one group of people's opinions aren't valid because of their gender and that other group's opinions aren't valid because of their race. So you're sexist and racist. Awesome.

I think that the opinion of a person who doesn't experience a specific prejudice can be valid in terms of what should be done about the societal problem, but someone telling me how to feel about experiencing something they have not experienced is not. I have no idea what it is like to be discriminated against for my race, so I can't tell black people how they should react when it happens to them. But go on pretending you don't know what I meant, if you like.


You're still excluding people automatically and solely because of their gender and race. Thus, you are sexist and racist.
2012-09-14 12:51:26 PM
1 votes:

Egalitarian: oh look, misogynist Farkers insulted by a feminist joke. Boo hoo, did somebody hurt your fragile male egos?

"mansplaining" means "a man being condescending to a woman because he's a man and she's a woman." And furthermore if she thinks what he's saying is nonsensical or patently unfair, in addition to being condescending, that is more proof that he needs to "mansplain" to her silly women brainz until she accepts his superiority without question.

It's an in-joke on feminist blogs, get over it.

It does happen in real life though, This summer I had the misfortune to accidentally overhear a couple of guys mansplaining to a housewife about how the Democrats wanted to take everybody's guns because of the Batman shooting. They talked down to her like she was a 10 year old kid.


So, dude was being a dick? Can you see how generalizing that guy's behavior into "that's something men do" is condescending and bigoted toward the whole category "men"? Why can't you just call that guy a dick?
2012-09-14 12:22:03 PM
1 votes:
woman explaining to man something he already knows = biatching

man explaining to woman something she already knows = mansplaining


hooray, matching obnoxious terms! equal opportunity fulfilled - we're done here.
2012-09-14 11:37:39 AM
1 votes:
Oooooh, another Jezebel article! More misandryistic red meat for me to poop on, please!

So knowledge in men trumps being cocksure? I guess this explains why engineers and code crunchers get so much pussy.
2012-09-14 11:26:31 AM
1 votes:
for anybody who thinks sexism wasn't floating around in the atheism and related geek communities for years - Isaac Asimov was infamous for grabbing women's crotches at book signings. Never got flak that I'm aware of, although one woman did grab him back.
2012-09-14 09:22:55 AM
1 votes:

squidgod2000: What I wouldn't give for this to be bro-splain and ho-splain...


50.19.100.254
2012-09-14 08:06:40 AM
1 votes:
Mugato
Is there a trendy term that means "stupid biatch making up words for their deeply insightful blog"?


How about "Jeze-belching"?
2012-09-14 06:51:07 AM
1 votes:

Quinsisdos: If you really want to see social justice idiocy, Tumblr has it in spades


Also linked from that tumblr, and goes along with why the term mansplaining is so pernicious:

i.imgur.com 
Link
2012-09-14 06:19:35 AM
1 votes:
2012-09-14 05:32:37 AM
1 votes:
What is it called when you are talking to a woman and she is making incorrect statements and when you mention the obvious errors she has made she tries to get you to shut up by saying the way you are talking to her is `mansplaining` and refuses to carry on a conversation she knows will lead to her having to admit she does not actually know what she is talking about?

femdodging?
2012-09-14 02:58:27 AM
1 votes:
I guess I'm fortunate that I'm pretty much getting through life without having to come into contact with any rad feminists or any of their secret code bullshiat. Single, make good money, bang plenty of chicks, and don't really care if some of them are stupid. Life's pretty good. Not sure if that is mansplaining or not and really can't give a fark.
2012-09-14 02:49:56 AM
1 votes:

telaran: PZ Myers is involved with Atheism Plus?

That's all I need to hear about it. He's a complete joke.


Five or so years ago I used to read his blog, and he had an interesting, informed take on atheism with some science and feminism discussion as well. Now... well, he's not quite L Ron Hubbard, but there's a real "if someone disagrees with me, they need to me silenced!" attitude. He spends a lot of his time railing against his fellow atheists for not being the right kind of atheist, or not being atheist enough.
2012-09-14 02:48:36 AM
1 votes:

Kensey: So this is the problem I have with some modern Internet feminists (a subset of third-wave feminists), and to an extent with a portion of the entire social-justice movement as it's existed for the last decade or so:

There has developed a kind of insularity -- a clique that has a certain set of terms they insist be used, with meanings they insist be defined exactly as they wish. For made-up terms, this is not so bad -- nobody knows what "cisgendered" or "kyriarchy" mean the first time they see them; you have to look them up and then you find out. They were invented by specific people who gave them specific meaning. But there are some terms that get sticky, like "privilege". I know what they mean by it, and I'm on board with the concept that they mean -- but the word "privilege" itself had a pre-existing meaning of "something granted by the will of another party".

Us white guys have certain advantages in society, whether we or anybody else particularly wants it that way. But the insistence of the most vocal segment of the social-justice crowd on using the term "privilege" to describe that phenomenon inevitably derails the conversation when some white guy (focusing on the mechanism implied by the word, rather than the result) reacts to it by saying "Nobody ever gave me anything just because I was white/male!"

So, take the made-up terms and the terms appropriated from their common meaning to a specific meaning they don't quite fit into, add in the insistence on using those appropriated terms in exactly the approved way and no other, some outright othering language like using "ally" to describe others riding the social-justice train in this way (if you're not an ally, what are you?), and the tendency to describe any questioning of the accepted doctrine and terminology as "derailing", and what you get feels very Newspeak. And the part that really creeps me out is, nobody is imposing this on them -- it is entirely self-imposed and rigidly enforced by the group. Di ...


Umm, you can pretty much dismiss people who say gurl or womyn.
2012-09-14 02:46:25 AM
1 votes:

mesmer242: Oh man, I totally know some elderly people who do this, but it's less about gender and more about them being old and be terrified that if they don't pass down the crucial information on how to best shop for a used car that the knowledge will be erased from the earth when they die. I'd like a clever word for that phenomenon, but sadly, it's just not as hip as mansplaining is.


It is the duty of somebody who's endured the consequences of a bad decision to warn others. For example, ask some "old people" who have made the mistake of not only sticking it in crazy, but marrying it afterwards. The Fark Ex-Husbands Brigade has some interesting stories on that.
2012-09-14 02:39:00 AM
1 votes:
So this is the problem I have with some modern Internet feminists (a subset of third-wave feminists), and to an extent with a portion of the entire social-justice movement as it's existed for the last decade or so:

There has developed a kind of insularity -- a clique that has a certain set of terms they insist be used, with meanings they insist be defined exactly as they wish. For made-up terms, this is not so bad -- nobody knows what "cisgendered" or "kyriarchy" mean the first time they see them; you have to look them up and then you find out. They were invented by specific people who gave them specific meaning. But there are some terms that get sticky, like "privilege". I know what they mean by it, and I'm on board with the concept that they mean -- but the word "privilege" itself had a pre-existing meaning of "something granted by the will of another party".

Us white guys have certain advantages in society, whether we or anybody else particularly wants it that way. But the insistence of the most vocal segment of the social-justice crowd on using the term "privilege" to describe that phenomenon inevitably derails the conversation when some white guy (focusing on the mechanism implied by the word, rather than the result) reacts to it by saying "Nobody ever gave me anything just because I was white/male!"

So, take the made-up terms and the terms appropriated from their common meaning to a specific meaning they don't quite fit into, add in the insistence on using those appropriated terms in exactly the approved way and no other, some outright othering language like using "ally" to describe others riding the social-justice train in this way (if you're not an ally, what are you?), and the tendency to describe any questioning of the accepted doctrine and terminology as "derailing", and what you get feels very Newspeak. And the part that really creeps me out is, nobody is imposing this on them -- it is entirely self-imposed and rigidly enforced by the group. Dissent is absolutely not tolerated.

For a long time I thought maybe this was just my deep-seated white-guy not-getting-it making me feel this way, and then I found this essay. So it's not just me -- women who describe themselves as feminists can and do feel as though there's something fundamentally cult-like going on.
2012-09-14 02:16:33 AM
1 votes:
In every women's studies class I ever took, there was an obnoxious right-wing conservative man who signed up for the class supposedly to "provide an alternate viewpoint" or to "play devil's advocate." Maybe they thought they would see topless lesbians making out, I don't know. The thing is, a lot of the world outside those classrooms already was that guy's viewpoint, and damn if we hadn't already heard it, so why he needed to deliver it to us as an "alternative" was beyond me. I think those are the types of guys that the feminist forums don't want to hear from.
2012-09-14 01:51:48 AM
1 votes:

Olympic Trolling Judge: rohar: Yup, that's what men did. We don't need to explain it, you use it every day. This "word" is worthless.

That's right! You're a MAN who discovered the WHEEL and built the EIFFEL TOWER out of METAL and BRAWN! That's what kind of MAN you are! They're just WOMEN with SMALL BRAINS, with brains a THIRD the size of OURS! It's SCIENCE!


Sadly no, I just wrote a bunch of math that allows computers to understand the context of the content of a video so when you search for the "ow my balls" video on the internet, you get the right one rather than a video where someone commented "ow my balls" in the comment section. Yeah, I know, not earth changing, but it turns out our strongest audience is WOMEN between the ages of 20 and 40. I swear, no matter how much easier we guys make life, we're catching shiat from some woman for doing it.
2012-09-14 01:30:08 AM
1 votes:
Ladies,
I have a habit of doing this. I am aware of it, and working to correct it.

I also enjoy wine and a good cry sometimes.

/how you doin'
2012-09-14 01:27:55 AM
1 votes:
Yes, a lot of men are big jerks. Yes, they should be discouraged from acting that way.
No, articles like this will not accomplish that.
2012-09-14 01:20:23 AM
1 votes:

ZipSplat: It's incredibly stupid. The Skepchick/FTB community is trying to hallmonitor for something that doesn't exist.


Not just hallmonitoring, they're trying to actively manufacture these faults, by choosing a designated scapegoat and nitpicking his/her every word and action until they find something to declare wrong, then bullying him/her out of every relationship he/she has because they need to prove themselves correct.

/then they congratulate themselves on being perceptive enough to find and destroy the imperfection
//they only need an official building to become Orwell's Ministry of Love
2012-09-14 01:17:26 AM
1 votes:

Quadruple Entendre: doloresonthedottedline: In theory. But see, here's the thing. In real life I've never been outspoken about my beliefs in a way that was anything but earnestly trying to get people to understand that I'm not insulting them or threatening them (kept a lot of beliefs to myself to be safe). And I'm a ridiculously idealistic person who tries to help everyone get along and respect each other and help each other and see that we have common goals and everything is better when we work together. I can't shake this core belief that if people just understood each other well enough, there would be a little bit of very civil debate about a few things, but otherwise we'd all get along wonderfully and things would be productive, etc.

And you know what? That just doesn't work. Ever. People are assholes and I've tried more times than I'd like to admit to bend over backwards and tie myself in knots to still find a way to get them to a point where they kind of almost respect each other or anything pleasant, and a lot of people just don't have that mode.

So I'm an extremely sweet and helpful person to everyone (in a non-Fark setting) and only try to get to know the people who already get why words like "mansplain" exist. It works well for me.

/almost replied to an earlier post you had in this thread to ask if we dated once

The earlier post was hyperbole, and admittedly a bit over the top, but I used the imagery to make a point - it sucks when someone uses phrases that insult an entire group of people so generally.

I dig that you're probably a good person, and probably a generally cool chick, especially by your comments above. And I share your disdain for how people are turning out - but in my opinion, articles like this serve to remind us how absolutely, irrevocably divided and hate-filled people are. When I read stuff like this, blogs and articles with a nearly institutional air of disgust for the "other side", I'm truly shocked that the human race hasn't yet devolved into perpetual, murderous, hand-to-hand combat.

The ideal you describe is not one to be discarded, though. We can get there. I think we just need to start marginalizing the right people....assholes, of every gender, race, and cultural background, and avoid repeating the generalizations that relate to those superficial traits.


I hate Jezebel and generally avoid it like the plague--they're only into feminism in the feel-good "YOU GO GIRL" sense and when it's something like this that gets page views. So, no complaints on hating the article. And I don't think there's anything useful about the term "mansplain" outside of websites for only very involved feminists (like I Blame the Patriarchy).

CSS: When I was in high school, I had this summer smart kid camp scholarship program (whatever), and they had a series of seminars called "Isms of Prejudice." One was about religion, and they invited people with less known religions to speak up. I was there talking about Modern Satanism, which I was into at the time. I was up there on stage, this short girl with her hair curled, wearing a flowery pink polo and Mary Janes or something, super bubbly voice, trying to explain the virtues of the belief system. (Later realized humanism was a more accurate description and was happy to toss LaVey aside.)
2012-09-14 01:16:08 AM
1 votes:

doloresonthedottedline: In theory. But see, here's the thing. In real life I've never been outspoken about my beliefs in a way that was anything but earnestly trying to get people to understand that I'm not insulting them or threatening them (kept a lot of beliefs to myself to be safe). And I'm a ridiculously idealistic person who tries to help everyone get along and respect each other and help each other and see that we have common goals and everything is better when we work together. I can't shake this core belief that if people just understood each other well enough, there would be a little bit of very civil debate about a few things, but otherwise we'd all get along wonderfully and things would be productive, etc.

And you know what? That just doesn't work. Ever. People are assholes and I've tried more times than I'd like to admit to bend over backwards and tie myself in knots to still find a way to get them to a point where they kind of almost respect each other or anything pleasant, and a lot of people just don't have that mode.

So I'm an extremely sweet and helpful person to everyone (in a non-Fark setting) and only try to get to know the people who already get why words like "mansplain" exist. It works well for me.


I don't know how much of a feminist you are, or how often you visit feminist blogs, but I ask you to stand back a foot or two, reread what you wrote and then read some of these, and then perhaps have a chuckle at the human condition.

Geekfeminism: Nice Guy Syndrome

Heartless biatches: Nice Guys = Bleah

Heartless biatches: Nice Guys = Bleah : Why "Nice Guys" are often such LOSERS

Anyway, you sound nice, you really do.
2012-09-14 01:13:19 AM
1 votes:
New Term, "Coontsplaining"
2012-09-14 01:11:56 AM
1 votes:
Getting old is good. I actually reached the age where I looked at my last GF standing there, hands on hips and pouting... and just thought "I don't need this shiat anymore".
2012-09-14 01:11:40 AM
1 votes:

lewismarktwo: Has any one mentioned how all the dumb shiat she complains about and labels 'mansplaining' are things that everyone (both genders) do on a regular basis to everyone? And that the idea that only men do these things is the height of sexism?


We already discussed that. We're going to have to ban you for raising that point.
2012-09-14 01:02:43 AM
1 votes:

ZipSplat: There's been little evidence of an epidemic of harassment or intimidation by powerful men.


What would constitute evidence? Video? Audio? Reports from conferences? There was a dustup a year or two ago when a panel on women in secularism was made up entirely of men. Someone actually made it a point to mention in a presentation how attractive a particular video blogger was.

Or you can take their word for it that it happens. Or you can take my word for it because I used to be very involved and I saw it up close.

The reason everyone is down on Rebecca Watson, Jen McCreight, et.al is not because they're merely bringing up womens' issues, it's because they're causing shiatloads of drama over problems they can't actually demonstrate to exist. Rebecca is boycotting TAM because she says "women aren't safe there"? What the fark? That's just dumb. She holds up anonymous YouTube comments and comments on her blog as evidence of the "rampant sexism" in the skeptical community.

They're causing shiatloads of drama? They aren't doing the harassing. They aren't leaving those comments. She's boycotting TAM because they refuse to address the problem. Several conferences have instituted explicit anti-harassment policies and procedures. Why would they not do the same? How can you possibly oppose the idea behind such policies?

It's incredibly stupid. The Skepchick/FTB community is trying to hallmonitor for something that doesn't exist. THAT is why they are getting so much vitriol and pushback. It's not because they're women. When Eugenie Scott goes up on stage nobody makes sexist remarks. She has everyone's utmost respect because she presents herself as a scientist who knows her shiat, not because she has decided to play the politics of shaming to force everyone to set her aside as a protected class.

Read the nasty comments some time. They don't line up with what you're saying here.
2012-09-14 01:01:17 AM
1 votes:

doloresonthedottedline: In theory. But see, here's the thing. In real life I've never been outspoken about my beliefs in a way that was anything but earnestly trying to get people to understand that I'm not insulting them or threatening them (kept a lot of beliefs to myself to be safe). And I'm a ridiculously idealistic person who tries to help everyone get along and respect each other and help each other and see that we have common goals and everything is better when we work together. I can't shake this core belief that if people just understood each other well enough, there would be a little bit of very civil debate about a few things, but otherwise we'd all get along wonderfully and things would be productive, etc.

And you know what? That just doesn't work. Ever. People are assholes and I've tried more times than I'd like to admit to bend over backwards and tie myself in knots to still find a way to get them to a point where they kind of almost respect each other or anything pleasant, and a lot of people just don't have that mode.

So I'm an extremely sweet and helpful person to everyone (in a non-Fark setting) and only try to get to know the people who already get why words like "mansplain" exist. It works well for me.

/almost replied to an earlier post you had in this thread to ask if we dated once


The earlier post was hyperbole, and admittedly a bit over the top, but I used the imagery to make a point - it sucks when someone uses phrases that insult an entire group of people so generally.

I dig that you're probably a good person, and probably a generally cool chick, especially by your comments above. And I share your disdain for how people are turning out - but in my opinion, articles like this serve to remind us how absolutely, irrevocably divided and hate-filled people are. When I read stuff like this, blogs and articles with a nearly institutional air of disgust for the "other side", I'm truly shocked that the human race hasn't yet devolved into perpetual, murderous, hand-to-hand combat.

The ideal you describe is not one to be discarded, though. We can get there. I think we just need to start marginalizing the right people....assholes, of every gender, race, and cultural background, and avoid repeating the generalizations that relate to those superficial traits.
2012-09-14 12:57:16 AM
1 votes:

FishyFred: RoyBatty: There is plenty of femsplaining, basically it's called tumblr, and Jezebel, and xx factor, and free thought blogs, and pretty much any place that wants to police speech, and demand recognition of the oppression of women without actually discussing alternative points of view.

I can kind of understand why someone might come to this conclusion if they started with a prejudice against feminists already. But it's just wrong. They're not refusing to entertain alternative points of view. THEY HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED ALTERNATIVE POINTS OF VIEW. That's what this whole mansplaining thing is about. If you treat them like idiots who don't fully understand issues, you might not be an irredeemable misogynist, but you are starting from a point of "I know more than these people."

And on a lot of the subjects they talk about, you usually don't know shiat.


Next time you're reading a blog or any forum that uses the word "mansplaining" ask yourself:

1) Is the person calling "mansplainer" trying to invite someone into a conversation?
2) Or trying to dismiss or ignore another person's point of view?
3) Is there any real attempt to tackle the mansplainer's position?
4) Do *you* believe the mansplainer maybe had a point?
5) Do *you* believe the mansplainer was trying to derail, or troll, or hijack a thread?
6) Is the phrase "what about the menz" likely to be used? Or "patriarchy hurts men too"?
7) What is the response of the others in the forum once the word "mansplain" has been given?
8) Is the mansplainer then banned? (Or perhaps the mansplainer just never seems to comment again?)

But maybe you are right, and the women at these forums, ranging in age from high school to retired, in multiple fields with multiple experiences, ARE all at the same level, and HAVE all considered it before, and YES, OBJECTIVELY THEY ARE RIGHT.
2012-09-14 12:49:55 AM
1 votes:

GranoblasticMan: [i16.photobucket.com image 300x300]

/ Can someone mansplain this article to me?


It's a woman thing. You wouldn't understand it.
2012-09-14 12:47:41 AM
1 votes:

ZipSplat: I haven't seen evidence of that yet. At my own peril my opinion of them draws on my impression of their behavior. They seem like the kind of people who are constantly looking for a way to feel oppressed, like anything that happens to them is because they've been victimized by someone else.

There's also a shiatload of hyperbole. If someone says "jesus christ I hope you get hit by a car" they commonly spin that as "OMG DEATH THREATS!!!" Or someone once said "you're too ugly to rape", which was promptly spun as a rape threat. It's just so dumb.


Is this group comprised of young, middle class white women and old white men?
2012-09-14 12:44:10 AM
1 votes:

FishyFred: RoyBatty: There is plenty of femsplaining, basically it's called tumblr, and Jezebel, and xx factor, and free thought blogs, and pretty much any place that wants to police speech, and demand recognition of the oppression of women without actually discussing alternative points of view.

I can kind of understand why someone might come to this conclusion if they started with a prejudice against feminists already. But it's just wrong. They're not refusing to entertain alternative points of view. THEY HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED ALTERNATIVE POINTS OF VIEW. That's what this whole mansplaining thing is about. If you treat them like idiots who don't fully understand issues, you might not be an irredeemable misogynist, but you are starting from a point of "I know more than these people."

And on a lot of the subjects they talk about, you usually don't know shiat.


So um. How do your enlightened feminist views align with your desire for the book "I was a teenage dominatrix" on your amazon wish list?

/I read that book in high school.
//think I did a report on it...
2012-09-14 12:37:51 AM
1 votes:

penthesilea: A condensed example of some mansplaining:
(edits are my own)

[...snip...] "So? I hear you've written a couple of books."

I replied, "Several, actually."

He said, in the way you encourage your friend's seven-year-old to describe flute practice, "And what are they about?"

They were actually about quite a few different things,[...snip...]

He cut me off soon after I mentioned Muybridge. "And have you heard about the very important Muybridge book that came out this year?"

So caught up was I in my assigned role as ingénue that I was perfectly willing to entertain the possibility that another book on the same subject had come out simultaneously and I'd somehow missed it. He was already telling me about the very important book -- with that smug look I know so well in a man holding forth, eyes fixed on the fuzzy far horizon of his own authority.

[...snip...]
So, Mr. Very Important was going on smugly about this book I should have known when Sallie interrupted him to say, "That's her book." Or tried to interrupt him anyway.

But he just continued on his way. She had to say, "That's her book" three or four times before he finally took it in. And then, as if in a nineteenth-century novel, he went ashen. That I was indeed the author of the very important book it turned out he hadn't read, just read about in the New York Times Book Review a few months earlier, so confused the neat categories into which his world was sorted that he was stunned speechless -- for a moment, before he began holding forth again.


source and full article


I was feeling sorry for myself, a single man in my late 40's living alone, playing golf every weekend, going to as many baseball and hockey games as time and money would allow, and then I read that.

My life basically kicks ass if I don't have to put up with that bullshiat.
2012-09-14 12:33:37 AM
1 votes:
Because women are completely incapable of ever disrespecting anyone else. *snort*

Way to perpetuate sexism by making falsely devicive distinctions.
2012-09-14 12:32:55 AM
1 votes:

ZipSplat: It's a really obnoxious movement of people who are atheists, but into "social justice". People have pointed out that we already have that - it's called secular humanism. But from what I can gather these people don't like secular humanism because it's not whiny enough, and too much of its intellectual leadership is composed of old white men.

It sounds like an ad campaign for a diet soft drink line.


I'm sorry I asked. That sounds incredibly stupid and makes me lose a little more faith in humanity. It sounds like they're trying to create a rift between religious people who are interested in social justice and atheists who are interested in social justice. That just doesn't make any sense. It'd be counterproductive to any actual social justice activism.

I can just imagine the conversation.

Group A: "We want women's rights and gay rights! We want to eliminate poverty! We want universal health care! We want freedom of religion even though we're religious!"

Group B: "Oh, you're religious? Well. We want those things too, but we can't work together with YOU people. Eew!"
2012-09-14 12:32:12 AM
1 votes:
i16.photobucket.com

/ Can someone mansplain this article to me?
2012-09-14 12:32:06 AM
1 votes:

ZipSplat: FishyFred: ZipSplat: This annoying bullshiat has been popping up in the atheist/skeptical community lately as well. Apparently "feminism" and "social justice" mean "scapegoating white 'cisgendered' males for one's personal inadequacies and creating gender-specific terms (like 'mansplaining') for generic human traits".

That's just wrong. Utterly incorrect.

Well, see, that's why we have dialog. So you can weigh in with more than a denial.


Fine.

The atheist community has had a problem with misogyny for years. Men in powerful positions used their influence to harass and intimidate women, often behind-the-scenes, often at conferences. I don't think anyone has "named names" but people who would know have done pretty much everything short of titling their blog posts "Re: Richard Dawkins."

Well-meaning people hoped that the problem would go away once the community reached a critical mass of equal representation, but once we got close and women like Rebecca Watson and Jen McCreight started bringing up women's issues -- everyone's issues, really, but clearly issues that hurt women more directly than they hurt men -- they were subjected to the most vile, ridiculous attacks by people who should know better.

But yeah, they've been "scapegoating" white men because they dared to mention a few negative experiences they've had at conferences. Come the fark on.
2012-09-14 12:30:52 AM
1 votes:

RoyBatty: Mansplaining itself is a term used in feminist and feminist friendly, feminist protected spaces to dismiss and ignore the valid concerns expressed in that forum by a male.

There is plenty of femsplaining, basically it's called tumblr, and Jezebel, and xx factor, and free thought blogs, and pretty much any place that wants to police speech, and demand recognition of the oppression of women without actually discussing alternative points of view.

Mansplaining when used in this way is rude, ad hominem, insulting, derailing, bullying, privileged dog whistles.


/thread
2012-09-14 12:28:11 AM
1 votes:

doloresonthedottedline: thomps: Spoon over Marin: feminism thread?

this being fark, i'm going to go with misogyny thread.

Yeah. Saw the thread, tried to run away quickly but couldn't resist skimming.

Maybe not quite as bad as I expected...


The thread's still young.
2012-09-14 12:25:04 AM
1 votes:

doloresonthedottedline: Mr. Carpenter: doloresonthedottedline: ZipSplat: This annoying bullshiat has been popping up in the atheist/skeptical community lately as well. Apparently "feminism" and "social justice" mean "scapegoating white 'cisgendered' males for one's personal inadequacies and creating gender-specific terms (like 'mansplaining') for generic human traits".

It's f*cking dumb and counterproductive. Reading the nascent Atheism Plus forums is an awful experience.

You sound male.

You sound desperate for attention

Incredibly antisocial, actually. In case the completely bare profile didn't make that clear.

Socialist, radical feminist, atheist, probably a few more hated ists--and I've had people try and tell me all the ways I'm wrong (and have had full, in-depth discussions defending my positions--with references, facts, and all that jazz) so many times I just sit back and enjoy the good trolls, block the bad ones, and enjoy the good jokes. Here and in real life.


Lol. So you're an idiot. Gotcha. Ignored.
2012-09-14 12:21:41 AM
1 votes:

Mr. Carpenter: doloresonthedottedline: ZipSplat: This annoying bullshiat has been popping up in the atheist/skeptical community lately as well. Apparently "feminism" and "social justice" mean "scapegoating white 'cisgendered' males for one's personal inadequacies and creating gender-specific terms (like 'mansplaining') for generic human traits".

It's f*cking dumb and counterproductive. Reading the nascent Atheism Plus forums is an awful experience.

You sound male.

You sound desperate for attention


Incredibly antisocial, actually. In case the completely bare profile didn't make that clear.

Socialist, radical feminist, atheist, probably a few more hated ists--and I've had people try and tell me all the ways I'm wrong (and have had full, in-depth discussions defending my positions--with references, facts, and all that jazz) so many times I just sit back and enjoy the good trolls, block the bad ones, and enjoy the good jokes. Here and in real life.
2012-09-14 12:13:08 AM
1 votes:

telaran: Atheism Plus? What the hell is that supposed to be?

The last thing Atheism needs is another group or groups telling people that disbelief in a god means something other than just that or trying to associate some kind of morality or immorality with it.


It's a really obnoxious movement of people who are atheists, but into "social justice". People have pointed out that we already have that - it's called secular humanism. But from what I can gather these people don't like secular humanism because it's not whiny enough, and too much of its intellectual leadership is composed of old white men.

It sounds like an ad campaign for a diet soft drink line.
2012-09-14 12:12:48 AM
1 votes:

debug: So what do they call this when a woman does it to another woman?


Gossip.
2012-09-14 12:12:01 AM
1 votes:

doloresonthedottedline: ZipSplat: This annoying bullshiat has been popping up in the atheist/skeptical community lately as well. Apparently "feminism" and "social justice" mean "scapegoating white 'cisgendered' males for one's personal inadequacies and creating gender-specific terms (like 'mansplaining') for generic human traits".

It's f*cking dumb and counterproductive. Reading the nascent Atheism Plus forums is an awful experience.

You sound male.


You sound desperate for attention
2012-09-14 12:09:08 AM
1 votes:
So what do they call this when a woman does it to another woman?
2012-09-14 12:07:20 AM
1 votes:

thomps: Spoon over Marin: feminism thread?

this being fark, i'm going to go with misogyny thread.


Yeah. Saw the thread, tried to run away quickly but couldn't resist skimming.

Maybe not quite as bad as I expected but bad enough that I need to leave for the sake of my blood pressure. Definitely a misogyny fest.

/most Fark threads about anything relating to women are full of great "mansplaining" examples
2012-09-14 12:03:50 AM
1 votes:
Hugo.

"Hugo get me sandwich and I'll sit here and finish watching the game."

Hugo isn't a woman's name, it's the start of the sentence.
2012-09-14 12:00:17 AM
1 votes:

ZipSplat: This annoying bullshiat has been popping up in the atheist/skeptical community lately as well. Apparently "feminism" and "social justice" mean "scapegoating white 'cisgendered' males for one's personal inadequacies and creating gender-specific terms (like 'mansplaining') for generic human traits".


That's just wrong. Utterly incorrect.
2012-09-13 11:58:33 PM
1 votes:

telaran: I'll never understand why some small group of feminists seem bound and determined to make themselves sound ridiculous by inventing terms like "mansplaining." It'd be like a politician telling people that a certain activity an opponent engages in is "poopy-tooting" and then expecting to be taken seriously.

No matter how good a cause is, there always has to be some little part of it that tries to turn it into a high school clique full of emotionally stunted morons. I do not understand that. Why aren't more feminists telling these people to shut the fark up?


As a feminist friend of mine has (regular) explained to me, a feminist's greatest weakness is other feminists.

Seriously, they don't seem to agree on much.
2012-09-13 11:57:44 PM
1 votes:
In our family, we call that 'Situational Expertise,' it's a form of humor and a sport, and both genders are expert.

Can make holiday dinners hilarious.
2012-09-13 11:57:19 PM
1 votes:
This has to be the absolute worst word ever created.

Worse than Manscaping and Mancation combined, and that says a lot.
2012-09-13 11:55:06 PM
1 votes:
Mansplaining by 'Hugo Schwyzer' mansplaining about mansplaining to explain mansplaining for mansplaining by mansplaining about mansplaining.

He's probubly ghey or has an agenda in which males get in the way because men can reason and have an uncanny ability to see through bullsh+t.

Reminds me a lot of the the 'metrosexual' word phenomenon which took hold around 2002/3. Almost overnight, a well dressed man was unconfortably connected to homosexuality.
2012-09-13 11:53:00 PM
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Eustacia Vye: doglover: Patronizing. The term is patronizing.

1. It's easier to say.
2. It's a real thing.

Yes and yes. I hate neologisms and "clever" portmanteaus.


This.
2012-09-13 11:50:04 PM
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telaran: Why aren't more feminists telling these people to shut the fark up?


The same reason the GOP votes in a single block.
2012-09-13 11:46:58 PM
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I'll never understand why some small group of feminists seem bound and determined to make themselves sound ridiculous by inventing terms like "mansplaining." It'd be like a politician telling people that a certain activity an opponent engages in is "poopy-tooting" and then expecting to be taken seriously.

No matter how good a cause is, there always has to be some little part of it that tries to turn it into a high school clique full of emotionally stunted morons. I do not understand that. Why aren't more feminists telling these people to shut the fark up?
2012-09-13 11:46:29 PM
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This is definition of mansplaining that I see on forums I visit.

Mansplaining, or downsplaining, is when a person who has privilege attempts to "explain" to a Marginalized Person (tm) that they are wrong in their complaints about being marginalized. Originally a term used by a man talking down to a woman, it can be any person with privilege dismissing the experiences of the Marginalized Person (tm) because they don't personally experience them, and explaining in the most patronizing way possible how they are wrong.

I prefer the general term downsplaining, as it can be applied to multiple cases.

Example:

MeanJean: "I don't like how the media demands physical perfection and unrealistic thinness...'

Mansplainer: "But MeanJean, don't you know there is an obesity epidemic?! As a nutritional science major, I can tell you that blah blah blah blah..."

Person of Color: "Law enforcement hassles me because of my skin color."

Racesplainer: "Its got nothng to do with race! I got ticketed by a cop when I wasn't doing a mile about fifty! Cops hassle white people too!"

Ed cetera, ad nauseum.

/by the way, I've seen both of those things happen in real life
2012-09-13 11:45:17 PM
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littlegreenfootballs.com
2012-09-13 11:45:13 PM
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styckx: I am clearly off my medication and someone should probably see to that.


ಠ_ಠ
2012-09-13 11:44:25 PM
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i2.photobucket.com
2012-09-13 11:43:28 PM
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This annoying bullshiat has been popping up in the atheist/skeptical community lately as well. Apparently "feminism" and "social justice" mean "scapegoating white 'cisgendered' males for one's personal inadequacies and creating gender-specific terms (like 'mansplaining') for generic human traits".

It's f*cking dumb and counterproductive. Reading the nascent Atheism Plus forums is an awful experience.
2012-09-13 11:42:32 PM
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Someone is biatching.
2012-09-13 11:41:49 PM
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I didn't realize Hugo was a female name. This was clearly written by someone who has never been asked to load the dishwasher "the right way."

Perhaps he should learn to load a dishwasher. Cuz writin' ain't workin' out.
2012-09-13 11:41:06 PM
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so, apparently you are mansplaining if

1: You are explaining something to a woman and she already knows it.
2: You try and prove that you know what you are talking about and a woman does not agree.
3: You aren't listening.
4: You try and make a general observation about women.
5: The author of the Article is jealous of your penis.


What tripe.

If someone is being an asshole or an idiot, call them an asshole or an idiot.
2012-09-13 11:36:00 PM
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Guy who wrote this article is a professional troll that write a series of Jezebel about how horrible men are. Look at some of this guy's other work and you'll see some really whacked out stuff.

/Don't feed the trolls.
2012-09-13 11:01:43 PM
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Spoon over Marin: feminism thread?


train wreck.
2012-09-13 10:57:10 PM
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GAT_00: thomps: Spoon over Marin: feminism thread?

this being fark, i'm going to go with misogyny thread.

They're the same thing.


they only seem that way to women, who are too stupid to understand nuance.
2012-09-13 09:35:11 PM
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Men are frequently useful and docile creatures but sometimes lack basic recognition skills. The must be dealt with firmly and with a calm, encouraging voice. Simple details are the best.
2012-09-13 09:12:00 PM
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I think this gal is engaged in coontnagging.

/that's filtered
2012-09-13 08:56:03 PM
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What an asinine synonym for male patronization.
2012-09-13 08:40:50 PM
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If they've got time enough to create words like "mansplaining," well... it tells me there's not enough sammiches bein' made.

Chop, chop, baby... chop, chop.

/bring me a beer
 
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