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2012-09-14 10:32:16 AM

doloresonthedottedline: Mr. Carpenter: doloresonthedottedline: ZipSplat: This annoying bullshiat has been popping up in the atheist/skeptical community lately as well. Apparently "feminism" and "social justice" mean "scapegoating white 'cisgendered' males for one's personal inadequacies and creating gender-specific terms (like 'mansplaining') for generic human traits".

It's f*cking dumb and counterproductive. Reading the nascent Atheism Plus forums is an awful experience.

You sound male.

You sound desperate for attention

Incredibly antisocial, actually. In case the completely bare profile didn't make that clear.

Socialist, radical feminist, atheist, probably a few more hated ists--and I've had people try and tell me all the ways I'm wrong (and have had full, in-depth discussions defending my positions--with references, facts, and all that jazz) so many times I just sit back and enjoy the good trolls, block the bad ones, and enjoy the good jokes. Here and in real life.


So you are saying that you consider the possibility of any of your beliefs being mistaken to be zero?

What a limited way to experience life. 

/There is no learning without questioning not only the world around you
//but yourself as well.
 
2012-09-14 10:39:07 AM

ZombiesYall: In every women's studies class I ever took, there was an obnoxious right-wing conservative man who signed up for the class supposedly to "provide an alternate viewpoint" or to "play devil's advocate." Maybe they thought they would see topless lesbians making out, I don't know. The thing is, a lot of the world outside those classrooms already was that guy's viewpoint, and damn if we hadn't already heard it, so why he needed to deliver it to us as an "alternative" was beyond me.


It's annoying, isn't it? When someone comes into your group from the outside with an inherently hostile attitude, and whose only interest is in disrupting the proceedings.

Now you know how everyone else feels when you do it.
 
2012-09-14 10:41:38 AM

Kensey: The developed world generally is a damn sight better to live in as a woman than Taliban-controlled areas, but if you think women have total equality in say, the US, you're not looking around much.


How are you defining "total"? What would "total equality" be?
 
2012-09-14 10:55:44 AM
Nobody splits a needless academic hair like Jezebel.
 
2012-09-14 11:20:21 AM

Mechdemon: doloresonthedottedline: Mr. Carpenter: doloresonthedottedline: ZipSplat: This annoying bullshiat has been popping up in the atheist/skeptical community lately as well. Apparently "feminism" and "social justice" mean "scapegoating white 'cisgendered' males for one's personal inadequacies and creating gender-specific terms (like 'mansplaining') for generic human traits".

It's f*cking dumb and counterproductive. Reading the nascent Atheism Plus forums is an awful experience.

You sound male.

You sound desperate for attention

Incredibly antisocial, actually. In case the completely bare profile didn't make that clear.

Socialist, radical feminist, atheist, probably a few more hated ists--and I've had people try and tell me all the ways I'm wrong (and have had full, in-depth discussions defending my positions--with references, facts, and all that jazz) so many times I just sit back and enjoy the good trolls, block the bad ones, and enjoy the good jokes. Here and in real life.

So you are saying that you consider the possibility of any of your beliefs being mistaken to be zero?

What a limited way to experience life. 

/There is no learning without questioning not only the world around you
//but yourself as well.


I not only consider but *assume* I'm wrong on just about everything at just about all times. The thing is, I don't humor assholes on the Internet as a way to test whether I'm wrong because I'm not a moron. I DO sit up and pay attention when I see a well presented opinion in any setting, and I then compare it to the facts I can find. Most of the opinions I find presented in a decent way that I ultimately judge to be not-quite-true come from someone who has demonstrated trouble grasping the nuance of situations or who just doesn't have first hand experience or in-depth research on what they're talking about.

And like I said earlier, some people don't have the farkin time to humor every asshole in the world they meet who JUST KNOWS he knows their opinions better than they do and is bursting at the seams to tell them how much more right he is.
 
2012-09-14 11:25:26 AM
We don't actually need a new term for this. We already have one. It's called "being an asshole."

And it's a common behavior among both men and women.
 
2012-09-14 11:26:31 AM
for anybody who thinks sexism wasn't floating around in the atheism and related geek communities for years - Isaac Asimov was infamous for grabbing women's crotches at book signings. Never got flak that I'm aware of, although one woman did grab him back.
 
2012-09-14 11:35:35 AM

Quinsisdos: If you really want to see social justice idiocy, Tumblr has it in spades


"Social justice" is neither social, nor just. Discuss.

media.tumblr.com

/I'm all verklempt.
 
2012-09-14 11:37:11 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-14 11:37:39 AM
Oooooh, another Jezebel article! More misandryistic red meat for me to poop on, please!

So knowledge in men trumps being cocksure? I guess this explains why engineers and code crunchers get so much pussy.
 
2012-09-14 11:39:20 AM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: We don't actually need a new term for this. We already have one. It's called "being an asshole."

And it's a common behavior among both men and women.


Pretty much what I'm saying. If you're trying to suggest this is somehow a legitimate concept that should be embraced and taken seriously, well, the first three letters would like to have a talk with you.

No matter how you try to apologize for it, or explain it away, you've just become guilty of exactly the same thing as the person you're accusing is- just by using it. I don't see the functional difference between:

"You're too dumb to understand cars, because that's something women can't do. You're a woman and not a man, therefore your understanding of cars is, at best, laughable"

...and...

"You're too gender bigoted against me because you are a man to make that determination. You are a man and not a woman, ergo you are mansplaining."

But hey, silly me, I was thinking we already had plenty of excellent words for this, like "patronizing", "arrogance", and "condescending"- you know, words that don't make the adjective gender-biased in the first three letters.
 
2012-09-14 11:47:14 AM

FishyFred: RoyBatty: FishyFred: RoyBatty: There is plenty of femsplaining, basically it's called tumblr, and Jezebel, and xx factor, and free thought blogs, and pretty much any place that wants to police speech, and demand recognition of the oppression of women without actually discussing alternative points of view.

I can kind of understand why someone might come to this conclusion if they started with a prejudice against feminists already. But it's just wrong. They're not refusing to entertain alternative points of view. THEY HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED ALTERNATIVE POINTS OF VIEW. That's what this whole mansplaining thing is about. If you treat them like idiots who don't fully understand issues, you might not be an irredeemable misogynist, but you are starting from a point of "I know more than these people."

And on a lot of the subjects they talk about, you usually don't know shiat.

You need to read this, basically one feminist explains the power and abuse and bogus and sexist assumptions behind the word.

XOJane: Why you'll never hear me use the term mansplain - by Lesley

I wasn't defending the term, but you and ZipSplat seem to be dismissing the idea that men often talk above their heads on shiat they know nothing about and that they do this because the others involved are women. And you're wrong. It happens all the time.


Yes, it does.
 
2012-09-14 11:47:28 AM

onyxruby: Guy who wrote this article is a professional troll that write a series of Jezebel about how horrible men are. Look at some of this guy's other work and you'll see some really whacked out stuff.

/Don't feed the trolls.


"Guy" named 'Hugo Schwyzer'?

Even Rush Limbaugh has the stones to own his own shiat. So many "empowered" feminists are both bullies and cowards.
 
2012-09-14 11:55:15 AM

Thanks for the Meme-ries: [i291.photobucket.com image 415x261]


"I want you to go find a farking SOUL!!!!"

Link

(from 1:44)
 
2012-09-14 12:00:51 PM

Egalitarian: oh look, misogynist Farkers insulted by a feminist joke. Boo hoo, did somebody hurt your fragile male egos?

"mansplaining" means "a man being condescending to a woman because he's a man and she's a woman." And furthermore if she thinks what he's saying is nonsensical or patently unfair, in addition to being condescending, that is more proof that he needs to "mansplain" to her silly women brainz until she accepts his superiority without question.

It's an in-joke on feminist blogs, get over it.

It does happen in real life though, This summer I had the misfortune to accidentally overhear a couple of guys mansplaining to a housewife about how the Democrats wanted to take everybody's guns because of the Batman shooting. They talked down to her like she was a 10 year old kid.


Your moniker is a lie.

"Me 'n Skeeter played a joke on sum cullud boys by callin' 'em cullud boys, en they was real mad. Them nigras cain't take a joke laik a white man."
 
2012-09-14 12:04:30 PM

doloresonthedottedline: thomps: Spoon over Marin: feminism thread?

this being fark, i'm going to go with misogyny thread.

Yeah. Saw the thread, tried to run away quickly but couldn't resist skimming.

Maybe not quite as bad as I expected but bad enough that I need to leave for the sake of my blood pressure. Definitely a misogyny fest.

/most Fark threads about anything relating to women are full of great "mansplaining" examples


Disagreement = misogyny. I think that that was the gist of the article.
 
2012-09-14 12:12:09 PM

RoyBatty: Hugo Schwyzer is a feminist professor that attempted to kill his girlfriend in a murder suicide

[i.imgur.com image 504x478]

Hugo Schwyzer is a feminist professor that slept with four students on a bus tour THAT HE WAS THE DELEGATED CHAPERONE OF.
[i.imgur.com image 632x274]

He actually has a much longer history of sleeping with his students than just that bus trip.

[i.imgur.com image 624x630]


Hugo Schwyzer is a feminist professor that likely had a child with another woman, has tried to keep the woman's husband in the dark for years about this, while the woman's husband supports the child, and then Hugo defends keeping fathers in the dark about their kids.

[i.imgur.com image 581x540]
Link

If anyone wants to dig into that, it becomes clear that for years Hugo has been involved in the continuing deception of Ted so that Hugo could live his life free of child support, parenting duties, and able to sleep with his students.

Hugo Schwyzer is a feminist professor whose job is 100% mansplaining to female students about their oppression

[i.imgur.com image 532x595]

So yeah, mansplaining, Hugo Schwyzer is an expert at this.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-14 12:14:10 PM

doloresonthedottedline: I need to leave for the sake of my blood pressure.


You sound fat.
 
2012-09-14 12:21:54 PM

Donn C. Drummond in Disguise: Lsherm: Ignored "Lsherm". If you want to completely hide ignored user comments, change the "Show header of ignored comments" option in your user profile.

Your sarcasm/humor meter has reached the end of its useful life. Most folks are upgrading to digital models now.
/You might find some kindred spirits at the Primitive (Predestinarian) Baptist Church down the road. They have all the even-handed, cheerful, tolerant
qualities you do.
//Now get out there and make the world a place of sunshine, lollipops and rain bows (You're well on your way!)


I hit just a little too close to the truth, didn't I?

You aren't worth an opinion, so it's not a loss on my end.
 
2012-09-14 12:22:03 PM
woman explaining to man something he already knows = biatching

man explaining to woman something she already knows = mansplaining


hooray, matching obnoxious terms! equal opportunity fulfilled - we're done here.
 
2012-09-14 12:25:16 PM

ZombiesYall: The only time the term occurs to me is if a man tells me how I should feel about a feminist issue. Stupid example (but one that shouldn't cause an argument): I hate the movie Death Proof, but several male friends tell me I'm wrong for not liking it, because "it's a feminist movie." To me, mansplaining is the equivalent of me, a white person, telling a non-white person how to feel about racism in America. The article is offensive, however, in a trolltastic way, and makes Jezebel look like a typical vapid ladymag except biatchier.


So, one group of people's opinions aren't valid because of their gender and that other group's opinions aren't valid because of their race. So you're sexist and racist. Awesome.
 
2012-09-14 12:27:14 PM
I can't top the submitter's use of "womansplain" to expose the hypocrisy of the article.

For me, the word "mansplain" only ever made sense in that photograph of the all-male sub-committee panel that said "Let us mansplain about ur ladyparts", during one of the recent campaigns against Planned Parenthood and birth control in general.
 
2012-09-14 12:30:09 PM
(the picture I cited above was posted by WhyteRaven74 earlier in the thread.)
 
2012-09-14 12:37:45 PM
The author of the article has some whoresplaining to do.
 
2012-09-14 12:40:13 PM

Donn C. Drummond in Disguise: Egalitarian: oh look, misogynist Farkers insulted by a feminist joke. Boo hoo, did somebody hurt your fragile male egos?

"mansplaining" means "a man being condescending to a woman because he's a man and she's a woman." And furthermore if she thinks what he's saying is nonsensical or patently unfair, in addition to being condescending, that is more proof that he needs to "mansplain" to her silly women brainz until she accepts his superiority without question.

It's an in-joke on feminist blogs, get over it.

It does happen in real life though, This summer I had the misfortune to accidentally overhear a couple of guys mansplaining to a housewife about how the Democrats wanted to take everybody's guns because of the Batman shooting. They talked down to her like she was a 10 year old kid.

/It would surely help if you wouldn't equate all FARKers born with that most insidious of birth defects, the Y chromosome, to the Aurora wingnuts, who generally find themselves on the defensive in these forums (It's a good thing they can't digitize bullets!)
//It would greatly help also if you Femmes could GET A SENSE OF HUMOR! (I know several men who aren't using theirs-check Craigslist.) Yeah, I know, Craig is a guy, but he's known for single-handedly demolishing the newspaper industry, thus paving the way for pixel-candy such as Jezebel.
///WAIT! Am I MANSPLAINING? (Do I get any credit for only procreating a daughter-whom I am teaching to challenge conventional wisdom in all its forms?)


"You're a very BAD MAN!!"

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-14 12:45:34 PM

This text is now purple: ZombiesYall: In every women's studies class I ever took, there was an obnoxious right-wing conservative man who signed up for the class supposedly to "provide an alternate viewpoint" or to "play devil's advocate." Maybe they thought they would see topless lesbians making out, I don't know. The thing is, a lot of the world outside those classrooms already was that guy's viewpoint, and damn if we hadn't already heard it, so why he needed to deliver it to us as an "alternative" was beyond me.

It's annoying, isn't it? When someone comes into your group from the outside with an inherently hostile attitude, and whose only interest is in disrupting the proceedings.

Now you know how everyone else feels when you do it.


Actually, way back last night when I said that, the conversation in this thread had turned to men feeling unwelcome in feminist spaces online, and I was addressing that by saying that it wasn't all men which are unwelcome, only those who are needlessly provoking an argument, i.e. trolling. I don't think all men should be left out of feminist discussions. I'm not sure what proceedings I disrupted. Are you saying that the entire world is a space in which I as a woman am not part of the group and by having an opinion I'm disruptive, or does that merely apply to Fark threads?
 
2012-09-14 12:45:49 PM

RoyBatty: doloresonthedottedline: In theory. But see, here's the thing. In real life I've never been outspoken about my beliefs in a way that was anything but earnestly trying to get people to understand that I'm not insulting them or threatening them (kept a lot of beliefs to myself to be safe). And I'm a ridiculously idealistic person who tries to help everyone get along and respect each other and help each other and see that we have common goals and everything is better when we work together. I can't shake this core belief that if people just understood each other well enough, there would be a little bit of very civil debate about a few things, but otherwise we'd all get along wonderfully and things would be productive, etc.

And you know what? That just doesn't work. Ever. People are assholes and I've tried more times than I'd like to admit to bend over backwards and tie myself in knots to still find a way to get them to a point where they kind of almost respect each other or anything pleasant, and a lot of people just don't have that mode.

So I'm an extremely sweet and helpful person to everyone (in a non-Fark setting) and only try to get to know the people who already get why words like "mansplain" exist. It works well for me.

I don't know how much of a feminist you are, or how often you visit feminist blogs, but I ask you to stand back a foot or two, reread what you wrote and then read some of these, and then perhaps have a chuckle at the human condition.

Geekfeminism: Nice Guy Syndrome

Heartless biatches: Nice Guys = Bleah

Heartless biatches: Nice Guys = Bleah : Why "Nice Guys" are often such LOSERS

Anyway, you sound nice, you really do.


www.oldmovies.net.au

Approves.
 
2012-09-14 12:50:57 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: ZombiesYall: The only time the term occurs to me is if a man tells me how I should feel about a feminist issue. Stupid example (but one that shouldn't cause an argument): I hate the movie Death Proof, but several male friends tell me I'm wrong for not liking it, because "it's a feminist movie." To me, mansplaining is the equivalent of me, a white person, telling a non-white person how to feel about racism in America. The article is offensive, however, in a trolltastic way, and makes Jezebel look like a typical vapid ladymag except biatchier.

So, one group of people's opinions aren't valid because of their gender and that other group's opinions aren't valid because of their race. So you're sexist and racist. Awesome.


I think that the opinion of a person who doesn't experience a specific prejudice can be valid in terms of what should be done about the societal problem, but someone telling me how to feel about experiencing something they have not experienced is not. I have no idea what it is like to be discriminated against for my race, so I can't tell black people how they should react when it happens to them. But go on pretending you don't know what I meant, if you like.
 
2012-09-14 12:51:26 PM

Egalitarian: oh look, misogynist Farkers insulted by a feminist joke. Boo hoo, did somebody hurt your fragile male egos?

"mansplaining" means "a man being condescending to a woman because he's a man and she's a woman." And furthermore if she thinks what he's saying is nonsensical or patently unfair, in addition to being condescending, that is more proof that he needs to "mansplain" to her silly women brainz until she accepts his superiority without question.

It's an in-joke on feminist blogs, get over it.

It does happen in real life though, This summer I had the misfortune to accidentally overhear a couple of guys mansplaining to a housewife about how the Democrats wanted to take everybody's guns because of the Batman shooting. They talked down to her like she was a 10 year old kid.


So, dude was being a dick? Can you see how generalizing that guy's behavior into "that's something men do" is condescending and bigoted toward the whole category "men"? Why can't you just call that guy a dick?
 
2012-09-14 12:53:20 PM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: doloresonthedottedline: I need to leave for the sake of my blood pressure.

You sound fat.


Really? You went with the line about blood pressure instead of the rabid feminist part for the "you sound fat" line?
 
2012-09-14 12:55:01 PM

ZombiesYall: CtrlAltDestroy: ZombiesYall: The only time the term occurs to me is if a man tells me how I should feel about a feminist issue. Stupid example (but one that shouldn't cause an argument): I hate the movie Death Proof, but several male friends tell me I'm wrong for not liking it, because "it's a feminist movie." To me, mansplaining is the equivalent of me, a white person, telling a non-white person how to feel about racism in America. The article is offensive, however, in a trolltastic way, and makes Jezebel look like a typical vapid ladymag except biatchier.

So, one group of people's opinions aren't valid because of their gender and that other group's opinions aren't valid because of their race. So you're sexist and racist. Awesome.

I think that the opinion of a person who doesn't experience a specific prejudice can be valid in terms of what should be done about the societal problem, but someone telling me how to feel about experiencing something they have not experienced is not. I have no idea what it is like to be discriminated against for my race, so I can't tell black people how they should react when it happens to them. But go on pretending you don't know what I meant, if you like.


You're still excluding people automatically and solely because of their gender and race. Thus, you are sexist and racist.
 
2012-09-14 12:56:21 PM

RoyBatty: doloresonthedottedline: only context where he was sweet and not a douche (no pun intended)

Oh no! That would indeed be pretty terrible. :(


"But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother." -- guess where?
 
2012-09-14 12:58:38 PM
Oops. Posted too quickly.

You're excluding and invalidating people based solely on their gender/race instead of the content of their character or extent of their abilities. It's sexism and racism, plain and simple.
 
2012-09-14 01:03:15 PM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: RoyBatty: doloresonthedottedline: only context where he was sweet and not a douche (no pun intended)

Oh no! That would indeed be pretty terrible. :(

"But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother." -- guess where?


I'm not sure what 1984 has to do with being a sexual masochist and wanting a good time in bed as a bare minimum out of a very mismatched relationship (did care for the guy, it wasn't something shallow I was just going to bail out of without giving things a real shot).

I assumed RoyBatty was being at least partially sarcastic. Is sarcasm the same as Newspeak now? Did I miss something?
 
2012-09-14 01:03:43 PM

dready zim: What is it called when you are talking to a woman and she is making incorrect statements and when you mention the obvious errors she has made she tries to get you to shut up by saying the way you are talking to her is `mansplaining` and refuses to carry on a conversation she knows will lead to her having to admit she does not actually know what she is talking about?

femdodging?


FemRyaning.
 
2012-09-14 01:11:25 PM

RoyBatty: Hugo Schwyzer is a feminist professor that attempted to kill his girlfriend in a murder suicide


etc...

So, he's really playing the long con then, but got a little too caught up in the character.

I have to say, well played sir! Well played.

Like starting a camp for fat kids, and then eating the cookies you had them turned in.
Or an AA group, where you "hold on to" everyone else's booze "for THEM."

/wait... isn't that how banks work, too.
 
2012-09-14 01:21:17 PM

das224: RoyBatty: Hugo Schwyzer is a feminist professor that attempted to kill his girlfriend in a murder suicide

etc...

So, he's really playing the long con then, but got a little too caught up in the character.

I have to say, well played sir! Well played.

Like starting a camp for fat kids, and then eating the cookies you had them turned in.
Or an AA group, where you "hold on to" everyone else's booze "for THEM."

/wait... isn't that how banks work, too.


I'm not an alcoholic, I'm just protecting the real alcoholics from relapsing.
 
2012-09-14 01:26:00 PM
Who keeps submitting these jezebel links? The majority of their content is uber-feminist gender trolling. We all get it, men and women don't understand each other....let's move along folks
 
2012-09-14 01:45:04 PM

AbbeySomeone: Men are frequently useful and docile creatures but sometimes lack basic recognition skills. The must be dealt with firmly and with a calm, encouraging voice. Simple details are the best.


You sound fat.
 
2012-09-14 02:08:30 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: Oops. Posted too quickly.

You're excluding and invalidating people based solely on their gender/race instead of the content of their character or extent of their abilities. It's sexism and racism, plain and simple.


I simply said that "mansplaining" is a term I would only use if a man told me how to feel about something that had happened to me, a thing which had only happened because I am a woman. It's akin to my going to a cancer survivor's group and telling them I know how they feel, when I don't because I haven't had cancer. You are being rude (which is what the article is about) and deliberately obtuse. Have a nice day.
 
2012-09-14 02:12:22 PM

FishyFred: RoyBatty: There is plenty of femsplaining, basically it's called tumblr, and Jezebel, and xx factor, and free thought blogs, and pretty much any place that wants to police speech, and demand recognition of the oppression of women without actually discussing alternative points of view.

I can kind of understand why someone might come to this conclusion if they started with a prejudice against feminists already. But it's just wrong. They're not refusing to entertain alternative points of view. THEY HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED ALTERNATIVE POINTS OF VIEW. That's what this whole mansplaining thing is about. If you treat them like idiots who don't fully understand issues, you might not be an irredeemable misogynist, but you are starting from a point of "I know more than these people."

And on a lot of the subjects they talk about, you usually don't know shiat.


(googles isaac asimov crotch grab)

Citation needed, please.
 
2012-09-14 02:19:00 PM
So I guess that this article is really ladybabble
 
2012-09-14 02:19:52 PM

Egalitarian: for anybody who thinks sexism wasn't floating around in the atheism and related geek communities for years - Isaac Asimov was infamous for grabbing women's crotches at book signings. Never got flak that I'm aware of, although one woman did grab him back.


(hangs head in shame for quoting the wrong article)

Citation needed, please.

/think it was way funny as a non sequitur
 
2012-09-14 02:28:26 PM

FishyFred: RoyBatty: FishyFred: RoyBatty: There is plenty of femsplaining, basically it's called tumblr, and Jezebel, and xx factor, and free thought blogs, and pretty much any place that wants to police speech, and demand recognition of the oppression of women without actually discussing alternative points of view.

I can kind of understand why someone might come to this conclusion if they started with a prejudice against feminists already. But it's just wrong. They're not refusing to entertain alternative points of view. THEY HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED ALTERNATIVE POINTS OF VIEW. That's what this whole mansplaining thing is about. If you treat them like idiots who don't fully understand issues, you might not be an irredeemable misogynist, but you are starting from a point of "I know more than these people."

And on a lot of the subjects they talk about, you usually don't know shiat.

You need to read this, basically one feminist explains the power and abuse and bogus and sexist assumptions behind the word.

XOJane: Why you'll never hear me use the term mansplain - by Lesley

I wasn't defending the term, but you and ZipSplat seem to be dismissing the idea that men often talk above their heads on shiat they know nothing about and that they do this because the others involved are women. And you're wrong. It happens all the time.


Where do I say that doesn't happen?

What I do say:

1. Feminists aren't bothering to listen, they use the phrase to silence and bully

2. This is a behavior of SOME PEOPLE, not ALL MEN the XO piece describes it, from a feminist, as her "lecture mode".
 
2012-09-14 02:32:00 PM

doloresonthedottedline: I assumed RoyBatty was being at least partially sarcastic. Is sarcasm the same as Newspeak now? Did I miss something?


I was being sincere. I don't know why bolshyyarblocks is referring to 1984.

IIRC, with all respect, you were saying you went out with this abuser because you wanted some abuser behavior in bed, but that's where he turned out to be sweet in bed, meaning you got the worse of both worlds, and abuser "boyfriend" who was sweet in bed and you wanted the exact opposite of that.

I was being sincere, "Oh no! That would indeed be pretty terrible. :(
 
2012-09-14 03:16:07 PM

RoyBatty: doloresonthedottedline: I assumed RoyBatty was being at least partially sarcastic. Is sarcasm the same as Newspeak now? Did I miss something?

I was being sincere. I don't know why bolshyyarblocks is referring to 1984.

IIRC, with all respect, you were saying you went out with this abuser because you wanted some abuser behavior in bed, but that's where he turned out to be sweet in bed, meaning you got the worse of both worlds, and abuser "boyfriend" who was sweet in bed and you wanted the exact opposite of that.

I was being sincere, "Oh no! That would indeed be pretty terrible. :(


You get more and more interesting with each thread.

I am pretty terrible.
 
2012-09-14 04:22:29 PM

das224: RoyBatty: Hugo Schwyzer is a feminist professor that attempted to kill his girlfriend in a murder suicide

etc...

So, he's really playing the long con then, but got a little too caught up in the character.

I have to say, well played sir! Well played.

Like starting a camp for fat kids, and then eating the cookies you had them turned in.
Or an AA group, where you "hold on to" everyone else's booze "for THEM."

/wait... isn't that how banks work, too.


Personally, seriously, and yes I am terribly biased and not a psychologist, I think Hugo Schwyzer is a sociopath, and his actions throughout his life involve tons of self-harming and real life harm to other people, men and women, mostly women in physical acts, mostly men in his Internet ranting.

I think Hugo Schwyzer at some level knows how terrible his behavior is, but instead of realizing it is his behavior to blame and taking responsibility for it, he rationalizes his shiatty behavior by blaming it on all men, projecting his own rotten misdeeds as common behavior that all men engage in.

I do find it ironic that a guy with a Ph.D in medieval history turns into one of the biggest white knights on the net always rescuing damsels in distress. And also that his "romantic" views of women and his actual incredibly shiatty behavior lead this guy to mansplaining feminism to female undergrads at a community college.

And that up until recently, smart, independent, self-aware, enlightened feminists just ate his shiat up.

But you could very well be right and it's just a long con, and if so, kudos to the guy, he clearly has gotten way more student ass than I ever did.
 
2012-09-14 06:16:41 PM

ZombiesYall: I simply said that "mansplaining" is a term I would only use if a man told me how to feel about something that had happened to me, a thing which had only happened because I am a woman. It's akin to my going to a cancer survivor's group and telling them I know how they feel, when I don't because I haven't had cancer.


You said that men's opinions about a certain social issue is irrelevant because they are men and that white people's opinions about a certain social subject are irrelevant because they are white. There's no point in lying when anyone can go visit your previous posts.

You are being rude (which is what the article is about) and deliberately obtuse.

If pointing out your offensive and insulting behavior is "rude and obtuse" then I'd gladly wear it as a badge of honor.

Have a nice day.

Interesting. You attempt to passive aggressively have the last word, while standing atop a moral highground. It's fascinating to watch how quickly people degenerate into sarcastic and inane behavior once they are unable to properly defend their position. I thought about feeling bad for you, but then decided that it would be a wasted gesture.
 
2012-09-14 07:21:50 PM
I love mansplooging.
 
2012-09-14 08:23:17 PM

RoyBatty: If a Professor shuts down a student with a term like "mansplaining"...


Then he or she is a dick. Fortunately, that's not what I was suggesting.
 
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