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2012-09-14 12:25:04 AM  

doloresonthedottedline: Mr. Carpenter: doloresonthedottedline: ZipSplat: This annoying bullshiat has been popping up in the atheist/skeptical community lately as well. Apparently "feminism" and "social justice" mean "scapegoating white 'cisgendered' males for one's personal inadequacies and creating gender-specific terms (like 'mansplaining') for generic human traits".

It's f*cking dumb and counterproductive. Reading the nascent Atheism Plus forums is an awful experience.

You sound male.

You sound desperate for attention

Incredibly antisocial, actually. In case the completely bare profile didn't make that clear.

Socialist, radical feminist, atheist, probably a few more hated ists--and I've had people try and tell me all the ways I'm wrong (and have had full, in-depth discussions defending my positions--with references, facts, and all that jazz) so many times I just sit back and enjoy the good trolls, block the bad ones, and enjoy the good jokes. Here and in real life.


Lol. So you're an idiot. Gotcha. Ignored.
 
2012-09-14 12:25:49 AM  

quickdraw: doglover: Patronizing. The term is patronizing.

1. It's easier to say.
2. It's a real thing.

Its not the same. "Patronizing" has other connotations that make it sound more positive. I patronize the grocery store on a regular basis and they like it.


Of course it isn't the same. Patronizing is a real thing. I wrote that.

Also, you're sexist is you think patronizing only goes from man to woman. I've had more than a few people I've simply told to shut up (and many more bosses I wanted to tell to shut up) who were ignorant as sin trying to tell me my business. I do it too, when I'm not careful.

So basically that's why it's called "patronizing" instead of "phallopressive enlighightenrape"
 
2012-09-14 12:28:08 AM  
So let me get this straight. 'Cause you know, I'm a guy, and my overconfidence and ignorance have me at a disadvantage.

The general gist is, that when a man tells a woman about something she thinks she knows better about, a term, such as "mansplaining", is necessary to describe the nature of the disagreement between said man and said woman. Is that about right?

Because if I had a toothpick for every time some pair of tits on a stick yapped on and on, incessantly, about something she knew F|_|CK all about, I could build a farking space elevator, and have enough left over for a few life-sized Eiffel Towers. Someone please provide me with a term describing said yapping, because the ones I use are NSFW.
 
2012-09-14 12:28:11 AM  

doloresonthedottedline: thomps: Spoon over Marin: feminism thread?

this being fark, i'm going to go with misogyny thread.

Yeah. Saw the thread, tried to run away quickly but couldn't resist skimming.

Maybe not quite as bad as I expected...


The thread's still young.
 
2012-09-14 12:28:44 AM  
Mansplaining itself is a term used in feminist and feminist friendly, feminist protected spaces to dismiss and ignore the valid concerns expressed in that forum by a male.

There is plenty of femsplaining, basically it's called tumblr, and Jezebel, and xx factor, and free thought blogs, and pretty much any place that wants to police speech, and demand recognition of the oppression of women without actually discussing alternative points of view.

Mansplaining when used in this way is rude, ad hominem, insulting, derailing, bullying, privileged dog whistles.
 
2012-09-14 12:29:15 AM  
What's she's describing is called 'bullshiatting.' What she's doing is 'bullshiatting.'

On Bullshiat
 
2012-09-14 12:29:38 AM  

Old Smokie: I didn't realize Hugo was a female name. This was clearly written by someone who has never been asked to load the dishwasher "the right way."

Perhaps he should learn to load a dishwasher. Cuz writin' ain't workin' out.


/Neither is a self-hatred/LibGuilt complex, either.
//If you hate men so much, why do you remain one?
 
2012-09-14 12:29:46 AM  

doloresonthedottedline: thomps: Spoon over Marin: feminism thread?

this being fark, i'm going to go with misogyny thread.

Yeah. Saw the thread, tried to run away quickly but couldn't resist skimming.

Maybe not quite as bad as I expected but bad enough that I need to leave for the sake of my blood pressure. Definitely a misogyny fest.

/most Fark threads about anything relating to women are full of great "mansplaining" examples


Go take a Midol, you're getting hormonal.
 
2012-09-14 12:30:52 AM  

RoyBatty: Mansplaining itself is a term used in feminist and feminist friendly, feminist protected spaces to dismiss and ignore the valid concerns expressed in that forum by a male.

There is plenty of femsplaining, basically it's called tumblr, and Jezebel, and xx factor, and free thought blogs, and pretty much any place that wants to police speech, and demand recognition of the oppression of women without actually discussing alternative points of view.

Mansplaining when used in this way is rude, ad hominem, insulting, derailing, bullying, privileged dog whistles.


/thread
 
2012-09-14 12:31:28 AM  

debug: So what do they call this when a woman does it to another woman?


Women are the biggest misogynists of all.
 
2012-09-14 12:32:06 AM  

ZipSplat: FishyFred: ZipSplat: This annoying bullshiat has been popping up in the atheist/skeptical community lately as well. Apparently "feminism" and "social justice" mean "scapegoating white 'cisgendered' males for one's personal inadequacies and creating gender-specific terms (like 'mansplaining') for generic human traits".

That's just wrong. Utterly incorrect.

Well, see, that's why we have dialog. So you can weigh in with more than a denial.


Fine.

The atheist community has had a problem with misogyny for years. Men in powerful positions used their influence to harass and intimidate women, often behind-the-scenes, often at conferences. I don't think anyone has "named names" but people who would know have done pretty much everything short of titling their blog posts "Re: Richard Dawkins."

Well-meaning people hoped that the problem would go away once the community reached a critical mass of equal representation, but once we got close and women like Rebecca Watson and Jen McCreight started bringing up women's issues -- everyone's issues, really, but clearly issues that hurt women more directly than they hurt men -- they were subjected to the most vile, ridiculous attacks by people who should know better.

But yeah, they've been "scapegoating" white men because they dared to mention a few negative experiences they've had at conferences. Come the fark on.
 
2012-09-14 12:32:12 AM  
i16.photobucket.com

/ Can someone mansplain this article to me?
 
2012-09-14 12:32:28 AM  

Mr. Carpenter: doloresonthedottedline: Mr. Carpenter: doloresonthedottedline: ZipSplat: This annoying bullshiat has been popping up in the atheist/skeptical community lately as well. Apparently "feminism" and "social justice" mean "scapegoating white 'cisgendered' males for one's personal inadequacies and creating gender-specific terms (like 'mansplaining') for generic human traits".

It's f*cking dumb and counterproductive. Reading the nascent Atheism Plus forums is an awful experience.

You sound male.

You sound desperate for attention

Incredibly antisocial, actually. In case the completely bare profile didn't make that clear.

Socialist, radical feminist, atheist, probably a few more hated ists--and I've had people try and tell me all the ways I'm wrong (and have had full, in-depth discussions defending my positions--with references, facts, and all that jazz) so many times I just sit back and enjoy the good trolls, block the bad ones, and enjoy the good jokes. Here and in real life.

Lol. So you're an idiot. Gotcha. Ignored.


If I thought more people would be as liberal with their use of the ignore button as I am, I'd speak up more often and just let people who wanted to post obnoxious shiat ignore me, but, alas, that doesn't happen.


This thread is a really good source of people to favorite or ignore, though. Maybe this wasn't a mistake.

/but more wine just in case
 
2012-09-14 12:32:55 AM  

ZipSplat: It's a really obnoxious movement of people who are atheists, but into "social justice". People have pointed out that we already have that - it's called secular humanism. But from what I can gather these people don't like secular humanism because it's not whiny enough, and too much of its intellectual leadership is composed of old white men.

It sounds like an ad campaign for a diet soft drink line.


I'm sorry I asked. That sounds incredibly stupid and makes me lose a little more faith in humanity. It sounds like they're trying to create a rift between religious people who are interested in social justice and atheists who are interested in social justice. That just doesn't make any sense. It'd be counterproductive to any actual social justice activism.

I can just imagine the conversation.

Group A: "We want women's rights and gay rights! We want to eliminate poverty! We want universal health care! We want freedom of religion even though we're religious!"

Group B: "Oh, you're religious? Well. We want those things too, but we can't work together with YOU people. Eew!"
 
2012-09-14 12:33:35 AM  

pxlboy: I hate neologisms and "clever" portmanteaus.



Portmanteaux

, maybe?
 
2012-09-14 12:33:37 AM  
Because women are completely incapable of ever disrespecting anyone else. *snort*

Way to perpetuate sexism by making falsely devicive distinctions.
 
2012-09-14 12:35:43 AM  

RoyBatty: I've seen things you mansplainers wouldn't believe. Attack Phalluses on fire off the shoulder of Venus... I've seen V-beams glitter in the darkness near the Tannhauser gate...


Holy shiat dude.
 
2012-09-14 12:36:08 AM  

GranoblasticMan: [i16.photobucket.com image 300x300]

/ Can someone mansplain this article to me?


In two words: Chicks, man.
 
2012-09-14 12:37:45 AM  

fluffy2097: styckx: I am clearly off my medication and someone should probably see to that.

ಠ_ಠ


fluffy2097: styckx: I am clearly off my medication and someone should probably see to that.

ಠ_ಠ


/May I suggest Meow Says the Dog? I'm sure your conversations would be epic wymsplaining!
//Tip from a professional whacko: Titrate, sweetie, NEVER go cold turkey ! (Almost killed myself 2x doing that.)
 
2012-09-14 12:37:51 AM  

penthesilea: A condensed example of some mansplaining:
(edits are my own)

[...snip...] "So? I hear you've written a couple of books."

I replied, "Several, actually."

He said, in the way you encourage your friend's seven-year-old to describe flute practice, "And what are they about?"

They were actually about quite a few different things,[...snip...]

He cut me off soon after I mentioned Muybridge. "And have you heard about the very important Muybridge book that came out this year?"

So caught up was I in my assigned role as ingénue that I was perfectly willing to entertain the possibility that another book on the same subject had come out simultaneously and I'd somehow missed it. He was already telling me about the very important book -- with that smug look I know so well in a man holding forth, eyes fixed on the fuzzy far horizon of his own authority.

[...snip...]
So, Mr. Very Important was going on smugly about this book I should have known when Sallie interrupted him to say, "That's her book." Or tried to interrupt him anyway.

But he just continued on his way. She had to say, "That's her book" three or four times before he finally took it in. And then, as if in a nineteenth-century novel, he went ashen. That I was indeed the author of the very important book it turned out he hadn't read, just read about in the New York Times Book Review a few months earlier, so confused the neat categories into which his world was sorted that he was stunned speechless -- for a moment, before he began holding forth again.


source and full article


I was feeling sorry for myself, a single man in my late 40's living alone, playing golf every weekend, going to as many baseball and hockey games as time and money would allow, and then I read that.

My life basically kicks ass if I don't have to put up with that bullshiat.
 
2012-09-14 12:38:35 AM  

doloresonthedottedline: If I thought more people would be as liberal with their use of the ignore button as I am, I'd speak up more often and just let people who wanted to post obnoxious shiat ignore me, but, alas, that doesn't happen.


This thread is a really good source of people to favorite or ignore, though. Maybe this wasn't a mistake.

/but more wine just in case



I gotta ask Dolores, all your -isms notwithstanding, don't you agree that when anyone tries to demonize, marginalize, or stereotype anyone else, by creating or using terms intentionally insulting and divisive, like "mansplaining", that we all lose? Doesn't that kind of thing redraw thicker battle lines, and move people away from consensus and mutual respect?
 
2012-09-14 12:39:05 AM  

doglover: kdraw: doglover: Patronizing. The term is patronizing.1. It's easier to say.2. It's a real thing.Its not the same. "Patronizing" has other connotations that make it sound more positive. I patronize the grocery store on a regular basis and they like it.Of course it isn't the same. Patronizing is a real thing. I wrote that.Also, you're sexist is you think patronizing only goes from man to woman. I've had more than a few people I've simply told to shut up (and many more bosses I wanted to tell to shut up) who were ignorant as sin trying to tell me my business. I do it too, when I'm not careful.So basically that's why it's called "patronizing" instead of "phallopressive enlighightenrape"


I lol'd.
 
2012-09-14 12:40:02 AM  

RoyBatty: There is plenty of femsplaining, basically it's called tumblr, and Jezebel, and xx factor, and free thought blogs, and pretty much any place that wants to police speech, and demand recognition of the oppression of women without actually discussing alternative points of view.


I can kind of understand why someone might come to this conclusion if they started with a prejudice against feminists already. But it's just wrong. They're not refusing to entertain alternative points of view. THEY HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED ALTERNATIVE POINTS OF VIEW. That's what this whole mansplaining thing is about. If you treat them like idiots who don't fully understand issues, you might not be an irredeemable misogynist, but you are starting from a point of "I know more than these people."

And on a lot of the subjects they talk about, you usually don't know shiat.
 
2012-09-14 12:40:12 AM  

telaran: It sounds like they're trying to create a rift between religious people who are interested in social justice and atheists who are interested in social justice. That just doesn't make any sense. It'd be counterproductive to any actual social justice activism.


I haven't seen evidence of that yet. At my own peril my opinion of them draws on my impression of their behavior. They seem like the kind of people who are constantly looking for a way to feel oppressed, like anything that happens to them is because they've been victimized by someone else.

There's also a shiatload of hyperbole. If someone says "jesus christ I hope you get hit by a car" they commonly spin that as "OMG DEATH THREATS!!!" Or someone once said "you're too ugly to rape", which was promptly spun as a rape threat. It's just so dumb.
 
2012-09-14 12:40:51 AM  

Philbb: But seriously, do we need new terms for patronizing condescension just to specify that it involves people of different levels of privilege?


Of course! This sort of childish, point-scoring ally-alienating bullshiat* is much more satisfying to write articles about compared to boring and depressing shiat like rampant institutionalized sexism in developing nations and the recent and unrelenting attacks on reproductive rights from the GOP. They certainly have their priorities straight.

*For another recent example of this, see Man Flu
 
2012-09-14 12:43:31 AM  
*Do you actually know what you're talking about?

As Rebecca Solnit pointed out in her original post on the subject, mansplaining at its heart is about the cocksuredness of the ignorant. It's one thing to be an insufferable know-it-all when one actually does know it all. It's another thing -- a mansplainy thing -- to pretend you know more about botany or fractals or Riot Grrl than you actually do.


So what happens when women do this? Is it still mansplainy?
*eyeroll*
Stupid article is stupid. And insulting to men.


MeanJean: Mansplaining, or downsplaining, is when a person who has privilege attempts to "explain" to a Marginalized Person (tm) that they are wrong in their complaints about being marginalized.


This seems like a much more reasonable definition to me.
 
2012-09-14 12:44:10 AM  

FishyFred: RoyBatty: There is plenty of femsplaining, basically it's called tumblr, and Jezebel, and xx factor, and free thought blogs, and pretty much any place that wants to police speech, and demand recognition of the oppression of women without actually discussing alternative points of view.

I can kind of understand why someone might come to this conclusion if they started with a prejudice against feminists already. But it's just wrong. They're not refusing to entertain alternative points of view. THEY HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED ALTERNATIVE POINTS OF VIEW. That's what this whole mansplaining thing is about. If you treat them like idiots who don't fully understand issues, you might not be an irredeemable misogynist, but you are starting from a point of "I know more than these people."

And on a lot of the subjects they talk about, you usually don't know shiat.


So um. How do your enlightened feminist views align with your desire for the book "I was a teenage dominatrix" on your amazon wish list?

/I read that book in high school.
//think I did a report on it...
 
2012-09-14 12:47:28 AM  

fluffy2097: So um. How do your enlightened feminist views align with your desire for the book "I was a teenage dominatrix" on your amazon wish list?


Author went to my alma mater. FX might turn it into a TV series. I'm waiting to see if they release a version for Kindle.

And I see no disconnect between my views and the desire to read that book. Secret societies and underground clubs -- sexual or not -- are fascinating to me anyway.
 
2012-09-14 12:47:40 AM  

Quadruple Entendre: doloresonthedottedline: If I thought more people would be as liberal with their use of the ignore button as I am, I'd speak up more often and just let people who wanted to post obnoxious shiat ignore me, but, alas, that doesn't happen.


This thread is a really good source of people to favorite or ignore, though. Maybe this wasn't a mistake.

/but more wine just in case


I gotta ask Dolores, all your -isms notwithstanding, don't you agree that when anyone tries to demonize, marginalize, or stereotype anyone else, by creating or using terms intentionally insulting and divisive, like "mansplaining", that we all lose? Doesn't that kind of thing redraw thicker battle lines, and move people away from consensus and mutual respect?


In theory. But see, here's the thing. In real life I've never been outspoken about my beliefs in a way that was anything but earnestly trying to get people to understand that I'm not insulting them or threatening them (kept a lot of beliefs to myself to be safe). And I'm a ridiculously idealistic person who tries to help everyone get along and respect each other and help each other and see that we have common goals and everything is better when we work together. I can't shake this core belief that if people just understood each other well enough, there would be a little bit of very civil debate about a few things, but otherwise we'd all get along wonderfully and things would be productive, etc.

And you know what? That just doesn't work. Ever. People are assholes and I've tried more times than I'd like to admit to bend over backwards and tie myself in knots to still find a way to get them to a point where they kind of almost respect each other or anything pleasant, and a lot of people just don't have that mode.

So I'm an extremely sweet and helpful person to everyone (in a non-Fark setting) and only try to get to know the people who already get why words like "mansplain" exist. It works well for me.

/almost replied to an earlier post you had in this thread to ask if we dated once
 
2012-09-14 12:47:41 AM  

ZipSplat: I haven't seen evidence of that yet. At my own peril my opinion of them draws on my impression of their behavior. They seem like the kind of people who are constantly looking for a way to feel oppressed, like anything that happens to them is because they've been victimized by someone else.

There's also a shiatload of hyperbole. If someone says "jesus christ I hope you get hit by a car" they commonly spin that as "OMG DEATH THREATS!!!" Or someone once said "you're too ugly to rape", which was promptly spun as a rape threat. It's just so dumb.


Is this group comprised of young, middle class white women and old white men?
 
2012-09-14 12:49:55 AM  

GranoblasticMan: [i16.photobucket.com image 300x300]

/ Can someone mansplain this article to me?


It's a woman thing. You wouldn't understand it.
 
2012-09-14 12:50:10 AM  

FishyFred: fluffy2097: So um. How do your enlightened feminist views align with your desire for the book "I was a teenage dominatrix" on your amazon wish list?

Author went to my alma mater. FX might turn it into a TV series. I'm waiting to see if they release a version for Kindle.

And I see no disconnect between my views and the desire to read that book. Secret societies and underground clubs -- sexual or not -- are fascinating to me anyway.


Swing and a miss.
/Don't mansplain to me
 
2012-09-14 12:51:45 AM  

FishyFred: The atheist community has had a problem with misogyny for years. Men in powerful positions used their influence to harass and intimidate women, often behind-the-scenes, often at conferences. I don't think anyone has "named names" but people who would know have done pretty much everything short of titling their blog posts "Re: Richard Dawkins."

Well-meaning people hoped that the problem would go away once the community reached a critical mass of equal representation, but once we got close and women like Rebecca Watson and Jen McCreight started bringing up women's issues -- everyone's issues, really, but clearly issues that hurt women more directly than they hurt men -- they were subjected to the most vile, ridiculous attacks by people who should know better.

But yeah, they've been "scapegoating" white men because they dared to mention a few negative experiences they've had at conferences. Come the fark on.


There's been little evidence of an epidemic of harassment or intimidation by powerful men.

The reason everyone is down on Rebecca Watson, Jen McCreight, et.al is not because they're merely bringing up womens' issues, it's because they're causing shiatloads of drama over problems they can't actually demonstrate to exist. Rebecca is boycotting TAM because she says "women aren't safe there"? What the fark? That's just dumb. She holds up anonymous YouTube comments and comments on her blog as evidence of the "rampant sexism" in the skeptical community.

It's incredibly stupid. The Skepchick/FTB community is trying to hallmonitor for something that doesn't exist. THAT is why they are getting so much vitriol and pushback. It's not because they're women. When Eugenie Scott goes up on stage nobody makes sexist remarks. She has everyone's utmost respect because she presents herself as a scientist who knows her shiat, not because she has decided to play the politics of shaming to force everyone to set her aside as a protected class.

Earn your way on the f*cking stage, ladies.
 
2012-09-14 12:53:08 AM  
Oh man, I totally know some elderly people who do this, but it's less about gender and more about them being old and be terrified that if they don't pass down the crucial information on how to best shop for a used car that the knowledge will be erased from the earth when they die. I'd like a clever word for that phenomenon, but sadly, it's just not as hip as mansplaining is.
 
2012-09-14 12:57:16 AM  

FishyFred: RoyBatty: There is plenty of femsplaining, basically it's called tumblr, and Jezebel, and xx factor, and free thought blogs, and pretty much any place that wants to police speech, and demand recognition of the oppression of women without actually discussing alternative points of view.

I can kind of understand why someone might come to this conclusion if they started with a prejudice against feminists already. But it's just wrong. They're not refusing to entertain alternative points of view. THEY HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED ALTERNATIVE POINTS OF VIEW. That's what this whole mansplaining thing is about. If you treat them like idiots who don't fully understand issues, you might not be an irredeemable misogynist, but you are starting from a point of "I know more than these people."

And on a lot of the subjects they talk about, you usually don't know shiat.


Next time you're reading a blog or any forum that uses the word "mansplaining" ask yourself:

1) Is the person calling "mansplainer" trying to invite someone into a conversation?
2) Or trying to dismiss or ignore another person's point of view?
3) Is there any real attempt to tackle the mansplainer's position?
4) Do *you* believe the mansplainer maybe had a point?
5) Do *you* believe the mansplainer was trying to derail, or troll, or hijack a thread?
6) Is the phrase "what about the menz" likely to be used? Or "patriarchy hurts men too"?
7) What is the response of the others in the forum once the word "mansplain" has been given?
8) Is the mansplainer then banned? (Or perhaps the mansplainer just never seems to comment again?)

But maybe you are right, and the women at these forums, ranging in age from high school to retired, in multiple fields with multiple experiences, ARE all at the same level, and HAVE all considered it before, and YES, OBJECTIVELY THEY ARE RIGHT.
 
2012-09-14 01:01:17 AM  

doloresonthedottedline: In theory. But see, here's the thing. In real life I've never been outspoken about my beliefs in a way that was anything but earnestly trying to get people to understand that I'm not insulting them or threatening them (kept a lot of beliefs to myself to be safe). And I'm a ridiculously idealistic person who tries to help everyone get along and respect each other and help each other and see that we have common goals and everything is better when we work together. I can't shake this core belief that if people just understood each other well enough, there would be a little bit of very civil debate about a few things, but otherwise we'd all get along wonderfully and things would be productive, etc.

And you know what? That just doesn't work. Ever. People are assholes and I've tried more times than I'd like to admit to bend over backwards and tie myself in knots to still find a way to get them to a point where they kind of almost respect each other or anything pleasant, and a lot of people just don't have that mode.

So I'm an extremely sweet and helpful person to everyone (in a non-Fark setting) and only try to get to know the people who already get why words like "mansplain" exist. It works well for me.

/almost replied to an earlier post you had in this thread to ask if we dated once


The earlier post was hyperbole, and admittedly a bit over the top, but I used the imagery to make a point - it sucks when someone uses phrases that insult an entire group of people so generally.

I dig that you're probably a good person, and probably a generally cool chick, especially by your comments above. And I share your disdain for how people are turning out - but in my opinion, articles like this serve to remind us how absolutely, irrevocably divided and hate-filled people are. When I read stuff like this, blogs and articles with a nearly institutional air of disgust for the "other side", I'm truly shocked that the human race hasn't yet devolved into perpetual, murderous, hand-to-hand combat.

The ideal you describe is not one to be discarded, though. We can get there. I think we just need to start marginalizing the right people....assholes, of every gender, race, and cultural background, and avoid repeating the generalizations that relate to those superficial traits.
 
2012-09-14 01:01:37 AM  

AbbeySomeone: The must be dealt with firmly and with a calm, encouraging voice. Simple details are the best.


I believe you should have used the pronoun "They" in this sentence.
Should I explain proofreading, typing or the English language to you?
 
2012-09-14 01:01:50 AM  

GranoblasticMan: [i16.photobucket.com image 300x300]

/ Can someone mansplain this article to me?


Phallorepresive eightenrape is offensive to the womyn master race.
 
2012-09-14 01:02:12 AM  
i42.photobucket.com

I'm so glad I'm gay and don't have to put up with lady shiat like this.
 
2012-09-14 01:02:43 AM  

ZipSplat: There's been little evidence of an epidemic of harassment or intimidation by powerful men.


What would constitute evidence? Video? Audio? Reports from conferences? There was a dustup a year or two ago when a panel on women in secularism was made up entirely of men. Someone actually made it a point to mention in a presentation how attractive a particular video blogger was.

Or you can take their word for it that it happens. Or you can take my word for it because I used to be very involved and I saw it up close.

The reason everyone is down on Rebecca Watson, Jen McCreight, et.al is not because they're merely bringing up womens' issues, it's because they're causing shiatloads of drama over problems they can't actually demonstrate to exist. Rebecca is boycotting TAM because she says "women aren't safe there"? What the fark? That's just dumb. She holds up anonymous YouTube comments and comments on her blog as evidence of the "rampant sexism" in the skeptical community.

They're causing shiatloads of drama? They aren't doing the harassing. They aren't leaving those comments. She's boycotting TAM because they refuse to address the problem. Several conferences have instituted explicit anti-harassment policies and procedures. Why would they not do the same? How can you possibly oppose the idea behind such policies?

It's incredibly stupid. The Skepchick/FTB community is trying to hallmonitor for something that doesn't exist. THAT is why they are getting so much vitriol and pushback. It's not because they're women. When Eugenie Scott goes up on stage nobody makes sexist remarks. She has everyone's utmost respect because she presents herself as a scientist who knows her shiat, not because she has decided to play the politics of shaming to force everyone to set her aside as a protected class.

Read the nasty comments some time. They don't line up with what you're saying here.
 
2012-09-14 01:03:31 AM  

Egalitarian: oh look, misogynist Farkers insulted by a feminist joke. Boo hoo, did somebody hurt your fragile male egos?

"mansplaining" means "a man being condescending to a woman because he's a man and she's a woman." And furthermore if she thinks what he's saying is nonsensical or patently unfair, in addition to being condescending, that is more proof that he needs to "mansplain" to her silly women brainz until she accepts his superiority without question.

It's an in-joke on feminist blogs, get over it.

It does happen in real life though, This summer I had the misfortune to accidentally overhear a couple of guys mansplaining to a housewife about how the Democrats wanted to take everybody's guns because of the Batman shooting. They talked down to her like she was a 10 year old kid.


/It would surely help if you wouldn't equate all FARKers born with that most insidious of birth defects, the Y chromosome, to the Aurora wingnuts, who generally find themselves on the defensive in these forums (It's a good thing they can't digitize bullets!)
//It would greatly help also if you Femmes could GET A SENSE OF HUMOR! (I know several men who aren't using theirs-check Craigslist.) Yeah, I know, Craig is a guy, but he's known for single-handedly demolishing the newspaper industry, thus paving the way for pixel-candy such as Jezebel.
///WAIT! Am I MANSPLAINING? (Do I get any credit for only procreating a daughter-whom I am teaching to challenge conventional wisdom in all its forms?)
 
2012-09-14 01:07:24 AM  

Arthurgoboom: Lsherm: I didn't realize Hugo was a female name. This was clearly written by someone who has never been asked to load the dishwasher "the right way."

I'm a man, and I'm the one that has to explain the right way to load the dishwasher, so I'm getting a kick.


OH GOOD FOR YOU!

Way to miss the point.
 
2012-09-14 01:09:29 AM  
Anyone - male or female - who appends "man" or "bro" to a word has self-confidence and self-assurance issues.
 
2012-09-14 01:10:52 AM  
Has any one mentioned how all the dumb shiat she complains about and labels 'mansplaining' are things that everyone (both genders) do on a regular basis to everyone? And that the idea that only men do these things is the height of sexism?
 
2012-09-14 01:11:12 AM  

onyxruby: Guy who wrote this article is a professional troll that write a series of Jezebel about how horrible men are. Look at some of this guy's other work and you'll see some really whacked out stuff.

/Don't feed the trolls.


Never knew this guy wrote that song
 
2012-09-14 01:11:40 AM  

lewismarktwo: Has any one mentioned how all the dumb shiat she complains about and labels 'mansplaining' are things that everyone (both genders) do on a regular basis to everyone? And that the idea that only men do these things is the height of sexism?


We already discussed that. We're going to have to ban you for raising that point.
 
2012-09-14 01:11:56 AM  
Getting old is good. I actually reached the age where I looked at my last GF standing there, hands on hips and pouting... and just thought "I don't need this shiat anymore".
 
J1
2012-09-14 01:12:28 AM  
www.sinfest.net
 
2012-09-14 01:12:49 AM  
My favourite ever example of mansplaining was when I'd just had a baby and the husband of a friend of mine spent 20 minutes telling a midwife what an epidural is. He was a factory hand at the time. Some men bore you with what they know, but when they haven't got a clue but do it anyway, it's embarrassing - for them.
 
2012-09-14 01:13:03 AM  
Generalizations. Some women are smart, some are stupid, just like men.

Show me one who knows what the red button on the garbage disposal does. (or knew before just now that it existed)

Show me a pretty girl who knows how to change a tire. Good luck. And I don't mean IN THEORY, show me one who has actually done it!


I know several female engineers. ENGINEERS who don't know seriously basic information about how machines they use every day operate. It's not that they're terrible, but they are at the lower end of the pack (with many of the guys).


HOWEVER

The most competent person I have ever worked with was a woman named Eleanor, who had multiple degrees and they weren't just paper. She got stuff done and was super-efficient about it. And wasn't a biatch in any way.

Unfortunately, Eleanor has been the only one of her type so far.
 
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