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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Summer may extend into October in Chicago. This global warming stuff is getting serious   (suntimes.com) divider line 89
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2012-09-13 03:43:42 PM
That is just 'cause Jebus hates Chicago now.
 
2012-09-13 03:43:57 PM
Summer may extend into October in Chicago.

Except at Wrigley Field.
 
2012-09-13 03:44:43 PM
Well, they will soon be at a billion dollars short in their school budget, with higher number to come if unions get their way. Sounds like a Democrat way of doing business to me!
 
2012-09-13 03:44:45 PM

snocone: That is just 'cause Jebus hates Chicago now.


He doesn't hate it. He just left to go to New Orleans.
 
2012-09-13 03:46:17 PM
Let's get this out of the way:

A set of temperature data from a specific region does not prove or disprove climate change. However a long term trend over most of the world does.

Global warming refers to the average temperature(energy) of the entire earth trending to increase not of every area on the planet.
 
2012-09-13 03:46:31 PM
Summer may extend into October in Chicago. This global warming stuff is getting serious Bupkus

ftfm
 
2012-09-13 03:47:25 PM

maxx2112: Summer may extend into October in Chicago.

Except at Wrigley Field.


HIYOOOOOOOOO!!!!
 
2012-09-13 03:48:10 PM

maxx2112: Except at Wrigley Field.


Hey if the Cubs win every game from here on out and Cincinnati, St. Louis, Pittsburg, and Milwaukee all go out of business before the end of the season they are in.
 
2012-09-13 03:48:12 PM
I was out there late September in 2010 and it was a nice 80 degrees. Can't say I was complaining.
 
2012-09-13 03:48:52 PM
"This is a first for a district," said Kate Walsh, president of the National Council on Teacher Quality.

upload.wikimedia.org

That's where my mind went trying to read the article. What's this all about again?
 
2012-09-13 03:51:30 PM

Corvus: Let's get this out of the way:

A set of temperature data from a specific region does not prove or disprove climate change. However a long term trend over most of the world does.


And, in a few hundred thousand years, we'll have enough data to analyze a long-term trend.
 
2012-09-13 03:52:23 PM

Tom_Slick: maxx2112: Except at Wrigley Field.

Hey if the Cubs win every game from here on out and Cincinnati, St. Louis, Pittsburg, and Milwaukee all go out of business before the end of the season they are in.


Hey, the the Twins have a chance too?
 
2012-09-13 03:53:03 PM

DrPainMD: Corvus: Let's get this out of the way:

A set of temperature data from a specific region does not prove or disprove climate change. However a long term trend over most of the world does.

And, in a few hundred thousand years, we'll have enough data to analyze a long-term trend.


I can wait.
 
2012-09-13 03:53:58 PM

DrPainMD: Corvus: Let's get this out of the way:

A set of temperature data from a specific region does not prove or disprove climate change. However a long term trend over most of the world does.

And, in a few hundred thousand years, we'll have enough data to analyze a long-term trend.



No, the results are in: Climate Change is caused by Unions.
 
2012-09-13 03:54:32 PM
In fairness, the region around southern Lake Michigan can stay warm into the fall----the lake has an effect of slowing the changes of seasons around there, because it takes so long to cool off in the fall and heat in the spring. In SW Michigan (not far from Chicago), 80 degree days well into October have been normal in the past.
 
2012-09-13 03:56:29 PM

Amos Quito:
No, the results are in: Climate Change is caused by Unions.


So, if it weren't for the Unions, the Cubs would be in the playoffs and the sea ice wouldn't be melting?

/Just trying to keep up. This is a very complex thread.
 
2012-09-13 03:58:24 PM

Corvus: Let's get this out of the way:

A set of temperature data from a specific region does not prove or disprove climate change. However a long term trend over most of the world does.

Global warming refers to the average temperature(energy) of the entire earth trending to increase not of every area on the planet.


The article, you did not read it
 
2012-09-13 03:59:38 PM

maxx2112: Summer may extend into October in Chicago.

Except at Wrigley Field.


Over in two.
 
2012-09-13 04:00:32 PM

Corvus: Let's get this out of the way:

A set of temperature data from a specific region does not prove or disprove climate change. However a long term trend over most of the world does.

Global warming refers to the average temperature(energy) of the entire earth trending to increase not of every area on the planet.


You know how I know you didn't RTFA?
 
2012-09-13 04:03:15 PM
I don't know; we got freezing rain today. It hasn't got above 50 degrees. And I live SOUTH of Chicago. Therefore; man-bear-pig is real.

/ it's almost as though this is a part of a cycle....
 
2012-09-13 04:03:20 PM
Well so far this thread is typical flat-earth Freeper bullshiat.

Call me surprised.
 
2012-09-13 04:03:28 PM

maxx2112: snocone: That is just 'cause Jebus hates Chicago now.

He doesn't hate it. He just left to go to New Orleans.


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2012-09-13 04:05:22 PM

UseUrHeadFred: Summer may extend into October in Chicago. This global warming stuff is getting serious Bupkus.


webspace.webring.com
 
2012-09-13 04:06:01 PM
I'm not a lawyer; I don't even play on on TV, so I have to ask. Could the parents file a class-action law suit against the union or city? Taxes were paid, in part, to provide public education. No education is occurring. If I paid someone to paint my house and they didn't, I would have recourse to get my money back, or my house painted.
 
2012-09-13 04:06:47 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Amos Quito:
No, the results are in: Climate Change is caused by Unions.

So, if it weren't for the Unions, the Cubs would be in the playoffs and the sea ice wouldn't be melting?

/Just trying to keep up. This is a very complex thread.


You missed the B3 Bomber part.
Ther is not one.
 
2012-09-13 04:10:14 PM
All we need is Florida and Boobies, this thread would be covered.
 
2012-09-13 04:13:29 PM
Anyone want to explain the connection to the headline? The article is talking about classes being back in session, possible, tomorrow (the Tribune is more reasonable and talks about Monday).
 
2012-09-13 04:13:30 PM
I'm pretty sure that this article isn't about global warming. It's about unionized teachers not wanting to be evaluated.
 
2012-09-13 04:17:16 PM
I hope the teachers union plays it smart. I hope they only negotiate a 1 year contract. The threat of strike should always be available for the workers of the world.
 
2012-09-13 04:17:22 PM
The average teacher in Chicago makes over $71,000 a year and they get summer off. They also get great benefits. They are striking to get a 16% raise over the next 4 years with a clause that says they get paid even if there isn't enough money to pay them. I wonder what the graduation rate is in chicago hahahahaha
 
2012-09-13 04:17:46 PM

JosephFinn: Anyone want to explain the connection to the headline? The article is talking about classes being back in session, possible, tomorrow (the Tribune is more reasonable and talks about Monday).


Lower part of the article talks about both sides digging in. (which contradicts the beginning)

See also:
Non Sequitur
 
2012-09-13 04:18:40 PM
Only 12% of American students attend private schools, but, 39% of Chicago public school teachers send their children to private schools.
 
2012-09-13 04:19:58 PM

pippiper: The average teacher in Chicago makes over $71,000 a year and they get summer off. They also get great benefits. They are striking to get a 16% raise over the next 4 years with a clause that says they get paid even if there isn't enough money to pay them. I wonder what the graduation rate is in chicago hahahahaha


16% over 4 years. That's 4% raise every year..... that's not even a raise that's a COLA.
 
2012-09-13 04:20:14 PM
But I thought all teachers din't do it for the money, they did it for the chillen's. They be making a difference in their communita'
 
2012-09-13 04:20:36 PM
Can't they all just be fired? If you don't show up to my job after three days you are considered not wanting to work and are gone. It's in our handbook.
 
2012-09-13 04:22:37 PM
Thunderpipes

I don't even bother putting you on ignore, get the hint?
 
2012-09-13 04:25:12 PM

pippiper


The summer off thing is over. DaMare wants to go practically year-round, pay attention. The neo-liberals are threatening everything. This is bigger than money.

//Great to get to power-salute the teachers in the neighb'. Hotties in red!
//Better to see the 'Proud Union Family' signs all over the 'burbs!
 
2012-09-13 04:32:30 PM

pippiper: The average teacher in Chicago makes over $71,000 a year and they get summer off. They also get great benefits. They are striking to get a 16% raise over the next 4 years with a clause that says they get paid even if there isn't enough money to pay them. I wonder what the graduation rate is in chicago hahahahaha


No, they are striking over "educational reform" that will see their performance - and their reappointment and job security - depend almost solely on student scores on standardized tests. This is not about the money, this is about ethics and politics and the structure of society. The sell-out unions that have bought in to free-market ideology and basically agreed that the working class is disposable, those are the unions whose strikes are about the money.
 
2012-09-13 04:34:41 PM

Eagles409: Only 12% of American students attend private schools, but, 39% of Chicago public school teachers send their children to private schools.


They're lucky they don't have to send their kids to public schools so that their kids can suffer through the same mismanaged and misguided educational system that has been gutted and corrupted by bureaucrats and administrators? Good for them. And now they're standing up for the folks who have no choice but to send their kids to public schools.
 
2012-09-13 04:34:55 PM
Not to mention that summer has been over for 13 days now.
 
2012-09-13 04:39:09 PM

JosephFinn: Not to mention that summer has been over for 13 days now.


Autumn equinox isn't for a week.
 
2012-09-13 04:39:18 PM
It's not the popular view, but one could argue that the teachers are actually asking to make their schools worse.

The school district only receives a fixed amount of money each year. It can't go out and get a second job on the weekend.

The more money given to teachers through salaries and benefits means less money to spend on tools and materials to be used in the classrooms. Also as the cost to employ each teacher increases, it allows for fewer teachers to be employed, resulting in larger class sizes and lower quality education.
 
2012-09-13 04:41:52 PM

Guelph35: It's not the popular view, but one could argue that the teachers are actually asking to make their schools worse.

The school district only receives a fixed amount of money each year. It can't go out and get a second job on the weekend.

The more money given to teachers through salaries and benefits means less money to spend on tools and materials to be used in the classrooms. Also as the cost to employ each teacher increases, it allows for fewer teachers to be employed, resulting in larger class sizes and lower quality education.


The moral of the story is workers should work out of the goodness of their heart.
 
2012-09-13 04:42:34 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Thunderpipes

I don't even bother putting you on ignore, get the hint?


Pointing out a billion dollar education fund deficit sure should be ignored, Captain Ostrich.
 
2012-09-13 04:46:19 PM
From the headline I thought there were another 17 shootings last night.
 
2012-09-13 04:46:51 PM
44 comments, 0 clicks?
 
2012-09-13 04:47:42 PM
Fire anyone who wants to remain in the union.

Cut then cap the salary of administrators at $50,000 a year.

No more ancillary workers (like secretaries and administrative personnel) getting the same benefits as teachers just because they work for the school district. All current and future ancillary workers and administrators to have a separate and reduced pension plan then that of teachers.

Cut then cap all of the ancillary workers salaries at $40,000 a year.

Remove the possibility of receiving a double pension for people leaving one job and coming back to do another. Once you leave you can never be re-hired. No former teacher can be hired for an administrative position.

Cancel all pension payments and benefits for anyone who is not a former district employee.

Take the money saved and increase the salaries and benefits of all current and former teachers.

Link
 
2012-09-13 04:48:04 PM

FarkedOver: Guelph35: It's not the popular view, but one could argue that the teachers are actually asking to make their schools worse.

The school district only receives a fixed amount of money each year. It can't go out and get a second job on the weekend.

The more money given to teachers through salaries and benefits means less money to spend on tools and materials to be used in the classrooms. Also as the cost to employ each teacher increases, it allows for fewer teachers to be employed, resulting in larger class sizes and lower quality education.

The moral of the story is workers should work out of the goodness of their heart.


Or they need to pick their spots. If the district already has budget shortfalls, perhaps that isn't the time to ask for more money?
 
2012-09-13 04:49:43 PM

Guelph35: It's not the popular view, but one could argue that the teachers are actually asking to make their schools worse.

The school district only receives a fixed amount of money each year. It can't go out and get a second job on the weekend.

The more money given to teachers through salaries and benefits means less money to spend on tools and materials to be used in the classrooms. Also as the cost to employ each teacher increases, it allows for fewer teachers to be employed, resulting in larger class sizes and lower quality education.


As a CPS teacher (I'm getting a kick out of this thread), this is something that I'm struggling with. I'd much rather students in my school have a library, working computers, access to more aides and social workers. But will a decrease in teacher pay lead to these things? Probably not. There's a big issue in that if the money doesn't go to teachers (who end up spending a heck of a lot of it on books and supplies for their classrooms), it won't go to the schools at all.
 
2012-09-13 04:52:02 PM

illannoyin: Fire anyone who wants to remain in the union.

Cut then cap the salary of administrators at $50,000 a year.

No more ancillary workers (like secretaries and administrative personnel) getting the same benefits as teachers just because they work for the school district. All current and future ancillary workers and administrators to have a separate and reduced pension plan then that of teachers.

Cut then cap all of the ancillary workers salaries at $40,000 a year.

Remove the possibility of receiving a double pension for people leaving one job and coming back to do another. Once you leave you can never be re-hired. No former teacher can be hired for an administrative position.

Cancel all pension payments and benefits for anyone who is not a former district employee.

Take the money saved and increase the salaries and benefits of all current and former teachers.

Link


Good luck getting administrators to work for 50k a year for what requires at least 6 years of schooling.
 
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