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(Politico)   Like a Boss, Mitt Romney storms back in MI polls. Just kidding, down by 10 points now   (politico.com) divider line 71
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2012-09-13 05:38:35 PM
4 votes:

Weaver95: lemurs: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

Since an attack by foreigners in a foreign country is a good opportunity for the president to say and do a lot of presidential things, and that Romney's smirking political opportunism was a major fumble by most accounts, I think it's likely the numbers will move further in Obama's direction so long as there's some persuadable voters left.

y'know...I've been pondering WHY Romney stuck his nose into that situation. smart money wouldn't have gotten involved in that mess. it's a lose/lose situation to try and turn that sort of thing into a political football. the only thing I can figure is that Romney is following the standard issue GOP playbook, which says (loosely translated from the Dark Speech of Rovian) that Obama *cannot* be permitted to be seen as being effective at his job under any circumstances. if that theory is true, then Romney simply had no choice: he *had* to attack Obama's handling of the embassy attack. to do otherwise would permit the perception that Obama was in some way good at doing his job. the fact that Romney ended up looking like weapons grade asshole material was irrelevant. the point is to hammer home the idea that Obama is incompetent.


It's actually very simple. Recognize the guy on the left? That's right, John Bolton is Romney's foreign policy adviser. Romney knows nothing about foreign policy, so Bolton is feeding him his typical hawkish, take no prisoners brand of foreign policy dribble.

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2012-09-13 12:30:53 PM
4 votes:
Hmmmmmm why would he be losing in Michigan after he said GM should be left to die and then once saved it was thanks to him?
2012-09-13 02:27:50 PM
3 votes:

Here'sJohnny: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

Which home state is Obama losing? Illinois? Hawaii? Kenya?


That is the stupidest post I've seen in well over a month.
2012-09-13 12:19:40 PM
3 votes:
The only person to win the presidency while losing their "home" state and their birth state was James Polk.

Romney is no Polk.
2012-09-13 03:22:28 PM
2 votes:
How weird. It's almost like you can't just try to throw a state's major economic engine under a bus and still have everyone in the state still like you.

///used to help my Mom with George Romney yard signs back in the day
//she'd be horrified by Mitt
/George probably would be too
2012-09-13 03:11:45 PM
2 votes:

Aidan: We sometimes feel a little... under pressure around here.


No kidding.

Technically, I'm an independent... but I tend to vote Democratic since they tend to be a least somewhat grounded in reality.
2012-09-13 02:42:41 PM
2 votes:
Excellent!

/from Michigan and voting for Obama.
2012-09-13 01:59:30 PM
2 votes:
538 now gives Rmoney an 8.4% chance of winning, if the election happened today. A week ago, he had a 32.3% chance. FREEFALLLLLLLING...

Time to turn the guns on the downticket elections. No farking way we let the GOP take the Senate.
2012-09-13 01:38:06 PM
2 votes:

torr5962: These polls are bullshiat. Who answers a landline anymore?


Older, more conservative voters. You know, the kind of voter Romney desperately needs.
2012-09-13 01:29:53 PM
2 votes:
Mitt: Let Detroit Go Bankrupt.

Michigan: Let Mitt Go Fark Himself.

Mitt personally, and the GOP as a whole by opposition to the auto bailout, sacrificed the state for a generation. They will not carry Michigan until at least the 2030s. The GOP may cease to exist before Michigan goes republican again.
2012-09-13 01:20:23 PM
2 votes:
Romney isn't buying any more TV time in Michigan.

As a Michigander, all I can say is W000T!111!!1
2012-09-13 12:21:10 PM
2 votes:
I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.
2012-09-13 08:47:58 PM
1 votes:

Phins: ... They're going to be sorry they called it Obamacare.


Once all parts of OBAMACARE take place people will realize it isn't going to kill America. They will like what it does for them, their family, and their community. The polls will show it becoming more and more favorable. At that point I am willing to bet that the GOP will spend over $1 billion trying to re-brand it as "Republicare," or some such nonsense.

/OBAMACARE
//Thanks, GOP. We'll never forget who owns it now.
///OBAMACARE
2012-09-13 08:28:19 PM
1 votes:

Phins: Also, ~25% of the population of Texas is Hispanic but the percentage of them that vote is fairly low. Someone wakes them up and gets them into the voting both then Texas is blue for sure.


The cities that can turn blue, are already blue (or sliding back purple like Austin). Its a nice dream, but dont hold yer breath. The strangle hold that the GoP has on Texas due to redistricting is pretty iron clad, will be for decades.
2012-09-13 08:06:25 PM
1 votes:

JohnnyC: Gotfire: It's refreshing to see TX as blue.

I have caught wind of the idea that Romney might be just unlikable enough to turn Texas blue again. I wouldn't bank on that prediction, but I can see some merit in the idea.


In 2008, Obama lost Texas by only ~950,000 votes. Texas cities are growing fast and the people moving here are younger city people, more likely to be Democrats.

The projected population in 2016 an increase of more than 4 million from 2008. If half if them vote and 60% of them vote democrat, it's essentially a tie. Texas will be a swing state in 2016.

Also, ~25% of the population of Texas is Hispanic but the percentage of them that vote is fairly low. Someone wakes them up and gets them into the voting both then Texas is blue for sure.
2012-09-13 07:23:48 PM
1 votes:

spongeboob: About your claim


Sadly I doubt you're going to be enlightening that particular guy. In fact, I'm pretty sure that guy isn't thinking. He seems to be relying entirely upon motivated reasoning. Anyone supporting Romney at this point has to... if they didn't they wouldn't be able to continue supporting him.
2012-09-13 07:19:17 PM
1 votes:

jso2897: One encouraging event - the courts tossed Texas' voter-suppression law.


Well that's good! It's a start.

Though I've thought the whole voter suppression tactic by the Republicans was a sure sign of weakness from the start.
2012-09-13 07:10:03 PM
1 votes:

Renart: JohnnyC: I have caught wind of the idea that Romney might be just unlikable enough to turn Texas blue again. I wouldn't bank on that prediction, but I can see some merit in the idea.

Texas's demographics are moving in the Democrats' favor, but I don't think it will become competitive for a few years, at least.


One encouraging event - the courts tossed Texas' voter-suppression law.
2012-09-13 06:54:32 PM
1 votes:

HeartBurnKid: RickyWilliams'sBong: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: [img688.imageshack.us image 362x265]

And this is BEFORE debates...

Where's this from? It looks exactly like Nate Silver's projections, but he's got 80/20-ish.

Can't see the image (work blocks Imageshack), but if it's showing 91.6% chance for Obama, it's probably Nate's "Now-cast" (i.e. the "if the election were held today" prediction).


Ah, you're right. Thanks. Completely forgot about the Nowcast projection.
2012-09-13 06:38:44 PM
1 votes:

TIKIMAN87: Walker: Hmmmmmm why would he be losing in Michigan after he said GM should be left to die and then once saved it was thanks to him?

Hey... GM still owes the US taxpayer 20 billion. GM looses $89,000 on every volt sold and Obama endorsed. That company deserves to die. Obama is a failure and he will go down in history as one.


You gonna drive by leave a turd in every thread?
2012-09-13 06:38:19 PM
1 votes:

RickyWilliams'sBong: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: [img688.imageshack.us image 362x265]

And this is BEFORE debates...

Where's this from? It looks exactly like Nate Silver's projections, but he's got 80/20-ish.


Can't see the image (work blocks Imageshack), but if it's showing 91.6% chance for Obama, it's probably Nate's "Now-cast" (i.e. the "if the election were held today" prediction).
2012-09-13 06:34:42 PM
1 votes:

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: [img688.imageshack.us image 362x265]

And this is BEFORE debates...


Where's this from? It looks exactly like Nate Silver's projections, but he's got 80/20-ish.
2012-09-13 05:44:11 PM
1 votes:

theteacher: Are you George farking Bush?


That is uncalled for sir.
2012-09-13 05:25:25 PM
1 votes:

JohnnyC: I have caught wind of the idea that Romney might be just unlikable enough to turn Texas blue again. I wouldn't bank on that prediction, but I can see some merit in the idea.


Texas's demographics are moving in the Democrats' favor, but I don't think it will become competitive for a few years, at least.
2012-09-13 05:02:15 PM
1 votes:

Im_Gumby: Try being atheist, voting D, and living in West MI


Haha... yeah... There is that too... the look on some people's faces when they ask where you go to church and your reply is, "I'm not religious". I try to keep it to myself unless directly confronted about it... I know it makes Christians uncomfortable to know that someone in their midst doesn't believe what they do. I just wish they had the same respect for other folks. Although, in their mind, everyone they look at is probably a Christian unless they have some other reason they discriminate against them.

Sasquatchuan: Democratic: Willing to spending on government programs despite risk of waste and inefficiency. Believe that oversight solves the efficiency problem, but have never really been good at the whole oversight thing.

Republican: Not willing to spend on government programs, particularly on the federal level, as they are the cause of waste and inefficiency. Believe that the only efficient government is a small one. Except for defense. Lots of defense spending, even if it's wasteful.


Hmm... when you're talking about spending, are you talking about actual spending or just the public face? When I look at deficit spending (defense or domestic), the biggest jumps in recent history were under Reagan, Bush Sr., and Bush Jr. Especially Reagan. Democrats seem willing to spend on government too, but the difference seems to be that Democrats are willing to pay for it with taxes and Republicans seem to think they can spend and not pay for it at all (or leave it for someone else to pay later).

Republicans (in action not in rhetoric), have tended to spend every bit as much if not more than Democrats, but they like to play up the public image that they don't. "No... that's not MY hand in the cookie jar, you must be imagining things"... sadly, Republican supporters seem to buy that story.
2012-09-13 04:57:14 PM
1 votes:

Cuthbert Allgood: Mega Steve: I think the smirk may have cost Romney more

I'm ashamed to admit I get most of my information from here and other areas of the internets, I'm curious if "The Smirk" is getting as much attention in other areas of the media, like the prime time news?

//The Smirk really pissed me off...


I'm going to my parent's house tonight. If my mother mentions it, then yeah, I'd say that it's impacted on the not-internet-savvy of America.
2012-09-13 04:24:08 PM
1 votes:

NuttierThanEver: Aidan: JohnnyC: Excellent!

/from Michigan and voting for Obama.

My husband looked over my shoulder last night and asked me why I had you highlighted. I said "He's from Michigan. Graphic designer. It's cool."

My husband said "Okay... So?"

Me, "He votes Democrat. Can you believe it?"

Him, "Holy shiat. Yeah, I get it."

We sometimes feel a little... under pressure around here. :)

Amen, living in rural SE Michigan sometimes makes me feel like I am living in TeaPartyLand where up is down and black is wrong, always


Try being atheist, voting D, and living in West MI
2012-09-13 04:18:37 PM
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Gotfire: If the 7-Eleven coffee cup poll is any indication where this election is headed...

[i46.tinypic.com image 850x718] 

It's refreshing to see TX as blue.

Obama's gonna win Utah!



At the risk of a ThatsTheJoke.jpg, a coffee cup poll might not be the most accurate way to gauge the electoral mood in Utah.
2012-09-13 04:01:18 PM
1 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: Mrtraveler01: shower_in_my_socks: 538 now gives Rmoney an 8.4% chance of winning, if the election happened today. A week ago, he had a 32.3% chance. FREEFALLLLLLLING...

Time to turn the guns on the downticket elections. No farking way we let the GOP take the Senate.

I know, I thought this was going to be a closer race than it was with McCain just because of anti-incumbent sentiment.

But Mitt sure has done a great job of pissing that all away as of late hasn't he?

The incumbent actually has a huge advantage.


This one may not have due to a lackluster recovery. I am voting Obama but I think the Republicans had a shot if they played it right. Then they picked a candidate that they don't even like and decided to double down by shiatting all over women.
2012-09-13 03:40:53 PM
1 votes:

vernonFL: I found it, black and white, though.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 425x564]

 

i.cdn.turner.com
2012-09-13 03:37:41 PM
1 votes:

ps69: Mitt personally, and the GOP as a whole by opposition to the auto bailout, sacrificed the state for a generation. They will not carry Michigan until at least the 2030s. The GOP may cease to exist before Michigan goes republican again.


So true.

That is, if you don't count the current Republican Governor.
Or the current Republican controlled state House.
Or the current Republican controlled state Senate.
Or the Republican controlled state Supreme Court.
Or the Republican Secretary of State.
Or the Republican Attorney General.

Aside from those, the state is completely blue.

(That said, Mitt moved away and his dad's governorship ended so long ago that most Michganders don't remember it.)
2012-09-13 03:35:40 PM
1 votes:

coeyagi: brianbankerus: coeyagi: brianbankerus: shastacola: torr5962: These polls are bullshiat. Who answers a landline anymore?

Does the poll say it used only landlines? I don't think polls do that anymore.

Some polls exclusively use landlines. Cell phones are under-represented in polling.

Just asking the question - don't at least some pollsters account for that by adjusting their polling data? I would think at least some do, but does anyone know?

Cell Phone users under-polled, could spell problems for Romney.

I hope that cell phone users are under represented in polling, but I'll believe it when I see it in November. The article doesn't really say one way or the other if pollsters adjust their figures or not, just that NBC / Marist does differentiate. So I guess we can take that to mean they don't adjust their figures.

I dunno, just being cynical and hoping its not too good to be true.


I'm taking nothing for granted. I'm in blue Washington state and you can bet your ass my ballot will be mailed back well in advance of November 6th. And if finally donated this month.
2012-09-13 03:34:48 PM
1 votes:

Aidan: JohnnyC: Excellent!

/from Michigan and voting for Obama.

My husband looked over my shoulder last night and asked me why I had you highlighted. I said "He's from Michigan. Graphic designer. It's cool."

My husband said "Okay... So?"

Me, "He votes Democrat. Can you believe it?"

Him, "Holy shiat. Yeah, I get it."

We sometimes feel a little... under pressure around here. :)


Amen, living in rural SE Michigan sometimes makes me feel like I am living in TeaPartyLand where up is down and black is wrong, always
2012-09-13 03:31:41 PM
1 votes:

Dogberry: Does Romney even have a home state? I mean, I know Michigan's trees are the right height and all that, and it was in Michigan that he began honing his bullying ways, but is there really a connection?


Michigan is his birthstate.... most people tag his "home state" now as Massachusetts, since he was Gov.
2012-09-13 03:25:54 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: y'know...I've been pondering WHY Romney stuck his nose into that situation. smart money wouldn't have gotten involved in that mess. it's a lose/lose situation to try and turn that sort of thing into a political football. the only thing I can figure is that Romney is following the standard issue GOP playbook, which says (loosely translated from the Dark Speech of Rovian) that Obama *cannot* be permitted to be seen as being effective at his job under any circumstances. if that theory is true, then Romney simply had no choice: he *had* to attack Obama's handling of the embassy attack. to do otherwise would permit the perception that Obama was in some way good at doing his job. the fact that Romney ended up looking like weapons grade asshole material was irrelevant. the point is to hammer home the idea that Obama is incompetent.


Of course the really bad mistake is to do it himself - when slinging mud at a opponent, it is best to have a surrogate do it for you, so that if it backfires you can back off with little or no negative consequences. And with so much media saturation, you don't need to be saying it yourself for it to get a lot of press - any of a hundred other figures in the GOP establishment making the same comments would have got just as much attention, and even if it worked you don't make yourself look good by such comments, it is only by pulling down the opponent you gain relative advantage.
2012-09-13 03:23:41 PM
1 votes:

bmongar: Muta: Romney isn't buying any more TV time in Michigan.

As a Michigander, all I can say is W000T!111!!1

You don't think that is maybe because they have already rigged the bvote in MI, OH, and PA


I wish it was that way in NC. The best thing about 9/11 is that 50% of the political commercials disappeared. The only ones left were from Rove and Adelson that were on about every 20 minutes. Even that a cut down. We have been up to 15-20 an hour.
2012-09-13 03:18:34 PM
1 votes:

Guntram Shatterhand: Look at those reporters in the audience: they're stunned.


That's the thing that really makes it surreal. The reporters are all going, "Da fuq did I just witness?" And there goes Mittens, sauntering away like he just gave the Gettysburg Address.
2012-09-13 03:07:40 PM
1 votes:

theorellior: Zafler: As a former Michigander, I'm glad to see that idiotic change to "Michiganian" still hasn't caught on.

Didn't they vote on that in like 1980 or something? I was a kid in Toledo and remember when it was on the ballot.


I don't think so. About all I recall is that John Engler made the push to use "Michiganian" while he was governor, far more than the previous one did. Most people ignored him. I was born in '80 so I could be wrong.
2012-09-13 03:05:00 PM
1 votes:

TV's Vinnie: Mega Steve: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

While the "apology" may have cost Obama some points, I think the smirk may have cost Romney more


[bobcesca.com image 500x334]

So much THIS! It's like you can read into that diseased mind of his, of him thinking to himself that this crisis is the best thing that could happen for his campaign. Screw the mayhem and the number of dead "little people". All that matters to Mitt is what Mitt wants.

WHEN he loses in November, it may be the first time in his life where he has actually not gotten what he wanted. I'd love to see what his face looks like on the night of Nov. 6th as it finally dawns on him that rich people don't win all the time.


I think he's finally gone mad, like his privileged little brain can't handle that he's not winning nor can he control the reactions of other people. Look at those reporters in the audience: they're stunned. And Romney is walking away like the only thing supporting his little fantasy world is his smirk, and nothing else matters.

One has to wonder how Romney is handling all of this. He's been catered to his entire life, and now he's getting a solid dose of reality. He has no talent, he has no skills, and his entire life is nothing but luck. He's entering the twilight of his life and has done nothing with it except sit around and do nothing. And now, when he's capable of making something out of himself by his own bootstraps, he can't. He sinks into delirium. And this guy thinks he can handle one of the hardest jobs in the entire world?

Romney's flipped. At this point, one can only imagine what October is going to look like. I get the feeling Ryan might be out on his ass when Romney finds someone else to put in that position. Somehow I think the reality will be even more insane.

Aidan: JohnnyC: Excellent!

/from Michigan and voting for Obama.

My husband looked over my shoulder last night and asked me why I had you highlighted. I said "He's from Michigan. Graphic designer. It's cool."

My husband said "Okay... So?"

Me, "He votes Democrat. Can you believe it?"

Him, "Holy shiat. Yeah, I get it."

We sometimes feel a little... under pressure around here. :)


You think that's awesome, check out Stabenow's numbers. Obama's doing so well that now Debbie has a ten point lead on Hokestra. Romney is sucking so hard we might see appreciable gains in Congressional seats simply from Republicans giving up in disgust.
2012-09-13 03:01:45 PM
1 votes:

Parthenogenetic: NUH UH!


I'd seen those ads posted for a while, but I never noticed that the Jitterbug features "Familiar dial tone confirms service". Do people really put a cell phone up to their ear and check for a dial tone before they call someone? That's amazing. I used landlines for some 28 years but the paradigm shift to cell wasn't THAT hard.
2012-09-13 02:58:48 PM
1 votes:

robsul82: Yeah, I'm sure it has on the Internet, but has it been shown and discussed on TV? That's how the old people get their information, and they can be counted on to vote.


Old people that get their information entirely through television are probably already voting Romney anyway.
2012-09-13 02:58:28 PM
1 votes:

brianbankerus: coeyagi: brianbankerus: shastacola: torr5962: These polls are bullshiat. Who answers a landline anymore?

Does the poll say it used only landlines? I don't think polls do that anymore.

Some polls exclusively use landlines. Cell phones are under-represented in polling.

Just asking the question - don't at least some pollsters account for that by adjusting their polling data? I would think at least some do, but does anyone know?

Cell Phone users under-polled, could spell problems for Romney.


I hope that cell phone users are under represented in polling, but I'll believe it when I see it in November. The article doesn't really say one way or the other if pollsters adjust their figures or not, just that NBC / Marist does differentiate. So I guess we can take that to mean they don't adjust their figures.

I dunno, just being cynical and hoping its not too good to be true.
2012-09-13 02:57:44 PM
1 votes:

mrshowrules: Romney is going to up his game for the debates. He's going to bet Obama $100,000 he is wrong about everything.


Romney's done his share of debates, so I don't really expect him to be a complete bumbling idiot. The problem is, after this particular turd nugget he's dealing with, he's blown the only tangible advantage he had - that he was being graded on a curve.

All Romney had to do was show up and mention a few specifics about his policies to get graded favorably. That's it. Now, he's given so much ammunition to the Obama campaign, he is going to be entirely on the defensive.
2012-09-13 02:57:16 PM
1 votes:

Zafler: As a former Michigander, I'm glad to see that idiotic change to "Michiganian" still hasn't caught on.


Didn't they vote on that in like 1980 or something? I was a kid in Toledo and remember when it was on the ballot.
2012-09-13 02:56:21 PM
1 votes:

Zerochance: robsul82: Is the media actually showing the picture of Romney smirking like a douche? Because that'd be pretty damning shiat if it could get on the air repeatedly for the rest of the week.

It's spreading like farking wildfire virally.


Yeah, I'm sure it has on the Internet, but has it been shown and discussed on TV? That's how the old people get their information, and they can be counted on to vote.
2012-09-13 02:51:46 PM
1 votes:

robsul82: Is the media actually showing the picture of Romney smirking like a douche? Because that'd be pretty damning shiat if it could get on the air repeatedly for the rest of the week.


It's spreading like farking wildfire virally.
2012-09-13 02:50:07 PM
1 votes:

vernonFL: 2wolves: \older DC beltway drivers know this one

I thought it was "surrender dorothy"? I remember seeing it on that bridge. I wish it was still there or I had a photo of it. 495 going north / west towards Silver Spring / Bethesda.


Yep. Painted on the overpass, probably at the Ct. Ave exit heading toward Ga. Ave.

/Lived in Nova..worked in Md. late 80's
//Ann Romney would make an excellent witch
2012-09-13 02:31:20 PM
1 votes:

Muta: Romney isn't buying any more TV time in Michigan.

As a Michigander, all I can say is W000T!111!!1


As a former Michigander, I'm glad to see that idiotic change to "Michiganian" still hasn't caught on.

/relurk
2012-09-13 02:30:33 PM
1 votes:

Here'sJohnny: Nvm misread what I was replying to.


I too apologize in that case.
2012-09-13 02:28:50 PM
1 votes:

Here'sJohnny: Nvm misread what I was replying to.


sorry dude.
2012-09-13 02:24:29 PM
1 votes:
I found it, black and white, though.

1.bp.blogspot.com
2012-09-13 02:18:27 PM
1 votes:

vernonFL: 2wolves: \older DC beltway drivers know this one

I thought it was "surrender dorothy"? I remember seeing it on that bridge. I wish it was still there or I had a photo of it. 495 going north / west towards Silver Spring / Bethesda.


You're entirely correct. My error. That was one world class prank with no one getting hurt.
2012-09-13 02:06:49 PM
1 votes:

vernonFL: I think Romney went a little overboard when building his house in the DC suburbs.

I mean, I know he has a big family, but this is too much.


"RELEASE DOROTHY!"


www.ldschurchtemples.com


\older DC beltway drivers know this one
2012-09-13 02:03:24 PM
1 votes:
Is the media actually showing the picture of Romney smirking like a douche? Because that'd be pretty damning shiat if it could get on the air repeatedly for the rest of the week.
2012-09-13 02:01:14 PM
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: 538 now gives Rmoney an 8.4% chance of winning, if the election happened today. A week ago, he had a 32.3% chance. FREEFALLLLLLLING...

Time to turn the guns on the downticket elections. No farking way we let the GOP take the Senate.


I know, I thought this was going to be a closer race than it was with McCain just because of anti-incumbent sentiment.

But Mitt sure has done a great job of pissing that all away as of late hasn't he?
2012-09-13 02:01:07 PM
1 votes:

Mega Steve: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

While the "apology" may have cost Obama some points, I think the smirk may have cost Romney more

[bobcesca.com image 500x334]


The "apology" didn't cost Obama anything. Only the rabidly anti-Obama could consider anything he said even vaguely close to an apology.
2012-09-13 01:48:10 PM
1 votes:
Previous 2 years: "Yes, Obama may be strong on foreign policy, but nobody cares about Osama Bin Laden anymore. The American people care about one thing and one thing only ... the economy and jobs. Everything else is irrelevant. Stay tuned for more!!!!"

Previous 2 days: "What? A US Embassy was attacked overseas? Folks, forget all the polls and everything else you might have heard, this changes the entire race and it's all up in the air! Stay tuned for more!!!! "
2012-09-13 01:46:15 PM
1 votes:
I have quite a few friends who consider themselves Republicans and work for the auto industry (either directly or one of the suppliers). They tell me they will not vote for Romney because he said to let the auto industry die. They may not be voting for Obama, but they sure aren't voting for Mitt.
2012-09-13 01:36:12 PM
1 votes:
It feels good to see the poll numbers in Michigan. His level of support is just the right height.
2012-09-13 01:36:10 PM
1 votes:

coeyagi: ginandbacon: coeyagi: Carn: coeyagi: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

Both? There's Utah, Massachussetts and Michigan. Spirital, current, and birth.

*shakes tiny fist*

Oh, was he counting Wisconsin for Ryan? Well, yeah. shiat, these clowns probably could find tenuous connections to claim 47 out of the 50 states "home". Romney has houses in how many?

I'm a she, coeyagi. And I was counting WI.

My apologies, ma'am.


No worries. It happens a lot.
2012-09-13 01:30:50 PM
1 votes:

Muta: Romney isn't buying any more TV time in Michigan.

As a Michigander, all I can say is W000T!111!!1


You don't think that is maybe because they have already rigged the bvote in MI, OH, and PA
2012-09-13 01:29:51 PM
1 votes:
i.qkme.me
2012-09-13 01:22:11 PM
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lemurs: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

Since an attack by foreigners in a foreign country is a good opportunity for the president to say and do a lot of presidential things, and that Romney's smirking political opportunism was a major fumble by most accounts, I think it's likely the numbers will move further in Obama's direction so long as there's some persuadable voters left.


y'know...I've been pondering WHY Romney stuck his nose into that situation. smart money wouldn't have gotten involved in that mess. it's a lose/lose situation to try and turn that sort of thing into a political football. the only thing I can figure is that Romney is following the standard issue GOP playbook, which says (loosely translated from the Dark Speech of Rovian) that Obama *cannot* be permitted to be seen as being effective at his job under any circumstances. if that theory is true, then Romney simply had no choice: he *had* to attack Obama's handling of the embassy attack. to do otherwise would permit the perception that Obama was in some way good at doing his job. the fact that Romney ended up looking like weapons grade asshole material was irrelevant. the point is to hammer home the idea that Obama is incompetent.
2012-09-13 01:21:27 PM
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Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.


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2012-09-13 01:17:16 PM
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Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.


Since an attack by foreigners in a foreign country is a good opportunity for the president to say and do a lot of presidential things, and that Romney's smirking political opportunism was a major fumble by most accounts, I think it's likely the numbers will move further in Obama's direction so long as there's some persuadable voters left.
2012-09-13 01:17:11 PM
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Mega Steve: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

While the "apology" may have cost Obama some points, I think the smirk may have cost Romney more

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i'm leaning towards the idea that Romney hurt himself out of that whole debacle. he should have STFU, kept his comments minimal and general and moved on to other things.
2012-09-13 01:16:03 PM
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FirstNationalBastard: Making his way to the ring, from Detroit Michigan, but making his Autumn Residence in San Diego, California... MITT ROMNEY!


That's a completely unfair comparison.

Ted DiBiase has more charisma and showmanship in his pinky than Rmoney will ever have.
2012-09-13 01:15:28 PM
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ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.


Both? There's Utah, Massachussetts and Michigan. Spirital, current, and birth.
2012-09-13 01:14:44 PM
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2012-09-13 12:56:13 PM
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Dead for Tax Reasons: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

Only 2 home states? I figure he's got more


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Utah

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California

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2012-09-13 12:41:17 PM
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This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.
 
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