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2012-09-13 04:05:03 PM
If the 7-Eleven coffee cup poll is any indication where this election is headed...

i46.tinypic.com 

It's refreshing to see TX as blue.
 
2012-09-13 04:12:17 PM

Gotfire: It's refreshing to see TX as blue.


I have caught wind of the idea that Romney might be just unlikable enough to turn Texas blue again. I wouldn't bank on that prediction, but I can see some merit in the idea.
 
2012-09-13 04:13:26 PM
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2012-09-13 04:13:29 PM
I was born in Connecticut and lived there until I was 5 years old. I've lived in Texas for 33 years. Does that mean Connecticut is considered my home state?

I hope it is.
 
2012-09-13 04:14:36 PM

Gotfire: If the 7-Eleven coffee cup poll is any indication where this election is headed...

[i46.tinypic.com image 850x718] 

It's refreshing to see TX as blue.


Obama's gonna win Utah!
 
2012-09-13 04:15:47 PM

uh_clem: ps69: Mitt personally, and the GOP as a whole by opposition to the auto bailout, sacrificed the state for a generation. They will not carry Michigan until at least the 2030s. The GOP may cease to exist before Michigan goes republican again.

So true.

That is, if you don't count the current Republican Governor.
Or the current Republican controlled state House.
Or the current Republican controlled state Senate.
Or the Republican controlled state Supreme Court.
Or the Republican Secretary of State.
Or the Republican Attorney General.

Aside from those, the state is completely blue.

(That said, Mitt moved away and his dad's governorship ended so long ago that most Michganders don't remember it.)



Michigan very much separates their local affairs from those at the national level. But through history we voted more for the "northern" President (I say it like that because back in the day Democrats where the southern party and Republicans were the northern). Noted exceptions would be Ford, because unlike MIttens, Michigan really was Fords home state, and Nixon and Regan because everyone voted for them.
 
2012-09-13 04:18:37 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Gotfire: If the 7-Eleven coffee cup poll is any indication where this election is headed...

[i46.tinypic.com image 850x718] 

It's refreshing to see TX as blue.

Obama's gonna win Utah!



At the risk of a ThatsTheJoke.jpg, a coffee cup poll might not be the most accurate way to gauge the electoral mood in Utah.
 
2012-09-13 04:21:53 PM
AnyOne else thinking about what republican operatives are thinking? " how the fark are we gonna convince people that Romney won the election if the polls are so bad? How are gonna sell it? Fark. Gonna have to make it look legitimate. Can't be a landslide. That'll raise too many flags. 51/49 split. Yeah. Real close like. "
 
2012-09-13 04:22:09 PM

Lando Lincoln: I TAKE IT BACK, YOU STUPID MICHIGANDERS! YOUR TREES ARE WAY TOO SHORT! SO THERE!


You owe my employer a new keyboard!
 
2012-09-13 04:23:09 PM

coeyagi: propasaurus: dericwater: propasaurus: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

All 3 if you count his home in California.

Well, he will win Utah, where he lived from 1999 to 2002.

I thought he lived in his son's basement in Boston?

CA, UT, MI, MA. Missing any?


Mexico. Cayman. Alps.
 
2012-09-13 04:24:08 PM

NuttierThanEver: Aidan: JohnnyC: Excellent!

/from Michigan and voting for Obama.

My husband looked over my shoulder last night and asked me why I had you highlighted. I said "He's from Michigan. Graphic designer. It's cool."

My husband said "Okay... So?"

Me, "He votes Democrat. Can you believe it?"

Him, "Holy shiat. Yeah, I get it."

We sometimes feel a little... under pressure around here. :)

Amen, living in rural SE Michigan sometimes makes me feel like I am living in TeaPartyLand where up is down and black is wrong, always


Try being atheist, voting D, and living in West MI
 
2012-09-13 04:26:41 PM

Gotfire: If the 7-Eleven coffee cup poll is any indication where this election is headed...

[i46.tinypic.com image 850x718] 

It's refreshing to see TX as blue.


Holy sh*t, he's winning the state of Sam Brownback. That's.... pretty awesome.
 
2012-09-13 04:30:33 PM

Zafler: theorellior: Zafler: As a former Michigander, I'm glad to see that idiotic change to "Michiganian" still hasn't caught on.

Didn't they vote on that in like 1980 or something? I was a kid in Toledo and remember when it was on the ballot.

I don't think so. About all I recall is that John Engler made the push to use "Michiganian" while he was governor, far more than the previous one did. Most people ignored him. I was born in '80 so I could be wrong.


So what do Michigan women call themselves? Michigeese?

/snark
 
2012-09-13 04:33:54 PM

Gotfire: If the 7-Eleven coffee cup poll is any indication where this election is headed...

[i46.tinypic.com image 850x718] 

It's refreshing to see TX as blue.


Rich people don't go to 7-11.
 
2012-09-13 04:36:53 PM

Mega Steve: I think the smirk may have cost Romney more


I'm ashamed to admit I get most of my information from here and other areas of the internets, I'm curious if "The Smirk" is getting as much attention in other areas of the media, like the prime time news?

//The Smirk really pissed me off...
 
2012-09-13 04:39:26 PM

JohnnyC: Aidan: Yeah, that's just it. You can be independent (for serious) and then you see who's on the ticket and you go "Um... I'm gonna vote for sane this time around..."

Not saying it's like that all the time. In fact I had high hopes for Snyder, and there just has to be decent Republicans in regional politics somewhere. Whatever the reasoning is, Michigan Democrats seem to spout off less idiocy, on average. Either that, or I'm just annoyed at living in a very conservative area. :)

I did not have high hopes for Snyder. After investigating him (as much as anyone with an internet connection can investigate a politician), I was sure he wasn't the right guy for the job. I was a little sad to see him win the election. Even more sad when the Republicans in the state instituted that stupid "emergency manager" nonsense.

Generally I think I can sum up my impressions of the parties like this:

Democratic: Generally mean well and aren't too pushy. Reality based. Needs to be more proactive.
Republican: Serve themselves and no one else. Theology based. Needs to keep their religion out of their politics entirely.
Green: Have gotten kind of kooky and are ineffectual. "Pie in the Sky" based. Doesn't seem to know how to run a campaign or political party... isn't viable. Causes more harm than good (see 2000 election).
Tea Party: Farking nuts... all of them. They're essentially Republicans who completely lost their minds after Obama was elected. A dangerous lot.

There are plenty of other little political parties that show up on the ballots, but their party affiliation often means little. I consider those folks for state and local level positions, but only if I can find valid reasons for supporting them. Often if it is a local candidate, I will make the effort to meet that person at a political rally or by showing up at their campaign offices (if they even have one, many do not). I find that I'm usually pretty good at 'reading' people I meet in person and can get a better feel for the ...


My way of looking at the parties (mostly agree with yours, but this is how I see them):

Democratic: Willing to spending on government programs despite risk of waste and inefficiency. Believe that oversight solves the efficiency problem, but have never really been good at the whole oversight thing.

Republican: Not willing to spend on government programs, particularly on the federal level, as they are the cause of waste and inefficiency. Believe that the only efficient government is a small one. Except for defense. Lots of defense spending, even if it's wasteful.

Green: Believe in lots of regulation, but not clear how those regulations are enforced, or how they're paid for. Not clear that they care about efficiency.

Tea Party: Farking nuts... all of them. To a tea-partier, the only solution to government is no government. Inefficiencies in programs and agencies are solved by eliminating them, and replacing them with nothing.
 
2012-09-13 04:39:50 PM

theteacher: coeyagi: propasaurus: dericwater: propasaurus: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

All 3 if you count his home in California.

Well, he will win Utah, where he lived from 1999 to 2002.

I thought he lived in his son's basement in Boston?

CA, UT, MI, MA. Missing any?

Mexico. Cayman. Alps.


img94.imageshack.us
 
2012-09-13 04:41:24 PM

Gotfire: I was born in Connecticut and lived there until I was 5 years old. I've lived in Texas for 33 years. Does that mean Connecticut is considered my home state?

I hope it is.


Are you George farking Bush?
 
2012-09-13 04:46:19 PM

HeartBurnKid: So what do Michigan women call themselves? Michigeese?


Whores.
 
2012-09-13 04:56:51 PM

HeartBurnKid: Zafler: theorellior: Zafler: As a former Michigander, I'm glad to see that idiotic change to "Michiganian" still hasn't caught on.

Didn't they vote on that in like 1980 or something? I was a kid in Toledo and remember when it was on the ballot.

I don't think so. About all I recall is that John Engler made the push to use "Michiganian" while he was governor, far more than the previous one did. Most people ignored him. I was born in '80 so I could be wrong.

So what do Michigan women call themselves? Michigeese?

/snark


Hey, pal. What's SAUCE for the Michigeese is SAUCE for the Michigander. Or so I've heard.
 
2012-09-13 04:57:14 PM

Cuthbert Allgood: Mega Steve: I think the smirk may have cost Romney more

I'm ashamed to admit I get most of my information from here and other areas of the internets, I'm curious if "The Smirk" is getting as much attention in other areas of the media, like the prime time news?

//The Smirk really pissed me off...


I'm going to my parent's house tonight. If my mother mentions it, then yeah, I'd say that it's impacted on the not-internet-savvy of America.
 
2012-09-13 05:02:15 PM

Im_Gumby: Try being atheist, voting D, and living in West MI


Haha... yeah... There is that too... the look on some people's faces when they ask where you go to church and your reply is, "I'm not religious". I try to keep it to myself unless directly confronted about it... I know it makes Christians uncomfortable to know that someone in their midst doesn't believe what they do. I just wish they had the same respect for other folks. Although, in their mind, everyone they look at is probably a Christian unless they have some other reason they discriminate against them.

Sasquatchuan: Democratic: Willing to spending on government programs despite risk of waste and inefficiency. Believe that oversight solves the efficiency problem, but have never really been good at the whole oversight thing.

Republican: Not willing to spend on government programs, particularly on the federal level, as they are the cause of waste and inefficiency. Believe that the only efficient government is a small one. Except for defense. Lots of defense spending, even if it's wasteful.


Hmm... when you're talking about spending, are you talking about actual spending or just the public face? When I look at deficit spending (defense or domestic), the biggest jumps in recent history were under Reagan, Bush Sr., and Bush Jr. Especially Reagan. Democrats seem willing to spend on government too, but the difference seems to be that Democrats are willing to pay for it with taxes and Republicans seem to think they can spend and not pay for it at all (or leave it for someone else to pay later).

Republicans (in action not in rhetoric), have tended to spend every bit as much if not more than Democrats, but they like to play up the public image that they don't. "No... that's not MY hand in the cookie jar, you must be imagining things"... sadly, Republican supporters seem to buy that story.
 
2012-09-13 05:25:02 PM
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2012-09-13 05:25:25 PM

JohnnyC: I have caught wind of the idea that Romney might be just unlikable enough to turn Texas blue again. I wouldn't bank on that prediction, but I can see some merit in the idea.


Texas's demographics are moving in the Democrats' favor, but I don't think it will become competitive for a few years, at least.
 
2012-09-13 05:32:16 PM

Im_Gumby: Try being atheist, voting D, and living in West MI


You poor bastard. I think I'd go nuts where you are.
 
2012-09-13 05:33:13 PM
Damn, another Liberal Conspiracy uncovered by WND.

WE CAN'T GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING ANYMORE!
 
2012-09-13 05:33:45 PM

bill4935: "RELEASE BWIAN!"

 


No kidding!!!

Cheers.
 
2012-09-13 05:33:57 PM

Epoch_Zero: Damn, another Liberal Conspiracy uncovered by WND.

WE CAN'T GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING ANYMORE!


TABBED BROWSING IS A LIBERAL CONSPIRACY TO CAUSE MISPOSTS.
 
2012-09-13 05:38:35 PM

Weaver95: lemurs: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

Since an attack by foreigners in a foreign country is a good opportunity for the president to say and do a lot of presidential things, and that Romney's smirking political opportunism was a major fumble by most accounts, I think it's likely the numbers will move further in Obama's direction so long as there's some persuadable voters left.

y'know...I've been pondering WHY Romney stuck his nose into that situation. smart money wouldn't have gotten involved in that mess. it's a lose/lose situation to try and turn that sort of thing into a political football. the only thing I can figure is that Romney is following the standard issue GOP playbook, which says (loosely translated from the Dark Speech of Rovian) that Obama *cannot* be permitted to be seen as being effective at his job under any circumstances. if that theory is true, then Romney simply had no choice: he *had* to attack Obama's handling of the embassy attack. to do otherwise would permit the perception that Obama was in some way good at doing his job. the fact that Romney ended up looking like weapons grade asshole material was irrelevant. the point is to hammer home the idea that Obama is incompetent.


It's actually very simple. Recognize the guy on the left? That's right, John Bolton is Romney's foreign policy adviser. Romney knows nothing about foreign policy, so Bolton is feeding him his typical hawkish, take no prisoners brand of foreign policy dribble.

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2012-09-13 05:44:11 PM

theteacher: Are you George farking Bush?


That is uncalled for sir.
 
2012-09-13 05:44:35 PM
Im_gumby
My son, a senior at GVSU, feels ya. Support group here - http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/
 
2012-09-13 06:02:21 PM

Seabon: Weaver95: lemurs: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

Since an attack by foreigners in a foreign country is a good opportunity for the president to say and do a lot of presidential things, and that Romney's smirking political opportunism was a major fumble by most accounts, I think it's likely the numbers will move further in Obama's direction so long as there's some persuadable voters left.

y'know...I've been pondering WHY Romney stuck his nose into that situation. smart money wouldn't have gotten involved in that mess. it's a lose/lose situation to try and turn that sort of thing into a political football. the only thing I can figure is that Romney is following the standard issue GOP playbook, which says (loosely translated from the Dark Speech of Rovian) that Obama *cannot* be permitted to be seen as being effective at his job under any circumstances. if that theory is true, then Romney simply had no choice: he *had* to attack Obama's handling of the embassy attack. to do otherwise would permit the perception that Obama was in some way good at doing his job. the fact that Romney ended up looking like weapons grade asshole material was irrelevant. the point is to hammer home the idea that Obama is incompetent.

It's actually very simple. Recognize the guy on the left? That's right, John Bolton is Romney's foreign policy adviser. Romney knows nothing about foreign policy, so Bolton is feeding him his typical hawkish, take no prisoners brand of foreign policy dribble.

[encrypted-tbn0.google.com image 259x195]


Bolten has the most punchable face in the world.
 
2012-09-13 06:03:34 PM

Seabon: It's actually very simple. Recognize the guy on the left? That's right, John Bolton is Romney's foreign policy adviser. Romney knows nothing about foreign policy, so Bolton is feeding him his typical hawkish, take no prisoners brand of foreign policy dribble.


Let's just think about that for a minute.

Mitt Romney thinks that John Bolton is a good person to get advice from in regards to foreign policy matters.

John Farking Bolton.

This alone is plenty of reason not to vote for Mitt Romney. He obviously sucks at picking advisors.
 
2012-09-13 06:03:43 PM

shastacola: torr5962: These polls are bullshiat. Who answers a landline anymore?

Does the poll say it used only landlines? I don't think polls do that anymore.


They must. I'm in a swing state and was getting polled every other day there for a while, but only on our landline. No one in our household has gotten a single poll on a cell phone.

\Only half our friends even have landlines, but they all vote, so who knows what that's doing for their numbers.
 
2012-09-13 06:05:11 PM

Carn: I mean we might as well throw in Mass. too.

"Look at my state, I was awesome!"
'They don't seem to think so.'


Real Americans hate Taxachusetts anyway.
 
2012-09-13 06:13:02 PM

Weigard: He was starting to get pressure to show strength in foreign policy, and I guess cracked under it and jumped the gun.


His campaign has been convinced that they can score points by criticizing the Arab Spring for months. Not sure why, just some theory they have
 
2012-09-13 06:15:02 PM

Lando Lincoln: I'm going to my parent's house tonight. If my mother mentions it, then yeah, I'd say that it's impacted on the not-internet-savvy of America.


Keep us updated on what you find out.... I'm curious
 
2012-09-13 06:17:38 PM

sigdiamond2000: How is he polling on Planet Kolob?


They want to see his tax returns. Rumor has it he's been short changing them on the tithing front.
 
2012-09-13 06:29:28 PM

JohnnyC: Gotfire: It's refreshing to see TX as blue.

I have caught wind of the idea that Romney might be just unlikable enough to turn Texas blue again. I wouldn't bank on that prediction, but I can see some merit in the idea.


This Texan hates him. But I'm hardly representative.
 
2012-09-13 06:34:42 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: [img688.imageshack.us image 362x265]

And this is BEFORE debates...


Where's this from? It looks exactly like Nate Silver's projections, but he's got 80/20-ish.
 
2012-09-13 06:37:42 PM

Walker: Hmmmmmm why would he be losing in Michigan after he said GM should be left to die and then once saved it was thanks to him?


Hey... GM still owes the US taxpayer 20 billion. GM looses $89,000 on every volt sold and Obama endorsed. That company deserves to die. Obama is a failure and he will go down in history as one.
 
2012-09-13 06:38:19 PM

RickyWilliams'sBong: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: [img688.imageshack.us image 362x265]

And this is BEFORE debates...

Where's this from? It looks exactly like Nate Silver's projections, but he's got 80/20-ish.


Can't see the image (work blocks Imageshack), but if it's showing 91.6% chance for Obama, it's probably Nate's "Now-cast" (i.e. the "if the election were held today" prediction).
 
2012-09-13 06:38:44 PM

TIKIMAN87: Walker: Hmmmmmm why would he be losing in Michigan after he said GM should be left to die and then once saved it was thanks to him?

Hey... GM still owes the US taxpayer 20 billion. GM looses $89,000 on every volt sold and Obama endorsed. That company deserves to die. Obama is a failure and he will go down in history as one.


You gonna drive by leave a turd in every thread?
 
2012-09-13 06:45:04 PM

cubic_spleen: Hey Willard: See how Michigan is shaped like a hand mïtt? That hand mitt is going to biatch-slap your carpet-bagging ass all the way back to whatever Yuppie egg sack you call home.


FTFY
 
2012-09-13 06:54:32 PM

HeartBurnKid: RickyWilliams'sBong: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: [img688.imageshack.us image 362x265]

And this is BEFORE debates...

Where's this from? It looks exactly like Nate Silver's projections, but he's got 80/20-ish.

Can't see the image (work blocks Imageshack), but if it's showing 91.6% chance for Obama, it's probably Nate's "Now-cast" (i.e. the "if the election were held today" prediction).


Ah, you're right. Thanks. Completely forgot about the Nowcast projection.
 
2012-09-13 07:03:56 PM

Gotfire: If the 7-Eleven coffee cup poll is any indication where this election is headed...

[i46.tinypic.com image 850x718] 

It's refreshing to see TX as blue.


I don't know if the same states were excluded/opted-out, but a quick search shows that 2008 and 2004's results mirrored the popular vote.
 
2012-09-13 07:10:03 PM

Renart: JohnnyC: I have caught wind of the idea that Romney might be just unlikable enough to turn Texas blue again. I wouldn't bank on that prediction, but I can see some merit in the idea.

Texas's demographics are moving in the Democrats' favor, but I don't think it will become competitive for a few years, at least.


One encouraging event - the courts tossed Texas' voter-suppression law.
 
2012-09-13 07:14:06 PM

TIKIMAN87: Walker: Hmmmmmm why would he be losing in Michigan after he said GM should be left to die and then once saved it was thanks to him?

Hey... GM still owes the US taxpayer 20 billion. GM looses $89,000 on every volt sold and Obama endorsed. That company deserves to die. Obama is a failure and he will go down in history as one.


About your claim, industry sources claim that they are losing $49000 which GM disputes, Even thought they are losing money right now maybe they are playing the long game getting in at the begining of electric car sales so that people think of them as "the electric car", Honda, Ford and some others are soon going to introduce electric cars. If everyone is going into production of electric cars, either everyone is wrong or GM is ahead of the curve. I guess some people just want to follow the pack and never be the leader in technology.

By the way GM is still selling gasoline powered vehicles.

Oh and here is GM's response Link
 
2012-09-13 07:19:17 PM

jso2897: One encouraging event - the courts tossed Texas' voter-suppression law.


Well that's good! It's a start.

Though I've thought the whole voter suppression tactic by the Republicans was a sure sign of weakness from the start.
 
2012-09-13 07:23:03 PM

JohnnyC: jso2897: One encouraging event - the courts tossed Texas' voter-suppression law.

Well that's good! It's a start.

Though I've thought the whole voter suppression tactic by the Republicans was a sure sign of weakness from the start.


Well, they are stupid - they think that somehow they can re-fight the sixties and win this time.
 
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