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(Politico)   Like a Boss, Mitt Romney storms back in MI polls. Just kidding, down by 10 points now   (politico.com) divider line 215
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2012-09-13 01:33:15 PM

vernonFL: Dead for Tax Reasons: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

Only 2 home states? I figure he's got more

New Hampshire

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Utah

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California

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encyclopedia.caribseek.com

Cayman Islands.
 
2012-09-13 01:35:11 PM

dletter: The only person to win the presidency while losing their "home" state and their birth state was James Polk.

Romney is no Polk.


he might lose all 4 of his home states. NH, MA, Mi and CA.
 
2012-09-13 01:36:10 PM

coeyagi: ginandbacon: coeyagi: Carn: coeyagi: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

Both? There's Utah, Massachussetts and Michigan. Spirital, current, and birth.

*shakes tiny fist*

Oh, was he counting Wisconsin for Ryan? Well, yeah. shiat, these clowns probably could find tenuous connections to claim 47 out of the 50 states "home". Romney has houses in how many?

I'm a she, coeyagi. And I was counting WI.

My apologies, ma'am.


No worries. It happens a lot.
 
2012-09-13 01:36:12 PM
It feels good to see the poll numbers in Michigan. His level of support is just the right height.
 
2012-09-13 01:36:47 PM
www.ccisabroad.org
 
2012-09-13 01:37:42 PM
How is he polling on Planet Kolob?
 
2012-09-13 01:37:52 PM

impaler: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

Intrade has near instant polling: 

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Yeah, but only of people who have money and know how to use a computer, so it doesn't take into account the majority of GOP voters.
 
2012-09-13 01:38:06 PM

torr5962: These polls are bullshiat. Who answers a landline anymore?


Older, more conservative voters. You know, the kind of voter Romney desperately needs.
 
2012-09-13 01:38:37 PM
Romney could be the first candidate to lose four home states all by himself.
 
2012-09-13 01:38:38 PM
 
2012-09-13 01:39:27 PM

lemurs: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

Since an attack by foreigners in a foreign country is a good opportunity for the president to say and do a lot of presidential things, and that Romney's smirking political opportunism was a major fumble by most accounts, I think it's likely the numbers will move further in Obama's direction so long as there's some persuadable voters left.


I'm not sure the damage from this is necessarily going to show up in polling. But it is real and it will be lasting. He crossed a bright red line in US politics, and then made sure every one knew he meant to do it. It calls into question what is supposedly his strength: situational assessment and management. It may not immediately affect the view of the polled likely voter, but it does affect the political class that he needs to be working their asses off for him over the next 8 weeks to get him elected. This is bad for fundraising, it's bad for his surrogates and supporters to have to answer to while pushing the executive leadership line, and ultimately and most importantly, it adds to the fairly substantial enthusiasm gap that, against all conceivable odds, Romney seems to be somehow creating for himself.
 
2012-09-13 01:39:41 PM
Well, at least now we don't have to hear about how striking Chicago teachers are going to damage fartbongo.
 
2012-09-13 01:39:53 PM
Hey Willard: See how Michigan is shaped like a hand? That hand is going to biatch-slap your carpet-bagging ass all the way back to whatever Yuppie egg sack you call home.
 
2012-09-13 01:40:41 PM

impaler: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

Intrade has near instant polling: 

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If you go to the "Time and Sales" trade by trade view, you'll see that the QE announcement gave Obama over a percentage point bump and hit Romney by the same amount. I wonder if Mitt can manage to not say something that shows that he's pissed that something that will help people is happening before the election.
 
2012-09-13 01:40:54 PM
More bad new for Romney
S&P 500 at highest intraday since Jan 2008
 
2012-09-13 01:41:46 PM

Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.


Why? Because Romney handled the situation so well?
 
2012-09-13 01:42:58 PM
Big difference. Polk was actually elected.
 
2012-09-13 01:43:04 PM

Tax Boy: dletter: The only person to win the presidency while losing their "home" state and their birth state was James Polk.

Romney is no Polk.

The Cayman islands don't get to vote.


I think the Republicans have lost the Dominican Republic. Thanks to Rush Limbaugh, an entire generation of young men sit on that island, muttering to themselves through bouts of anal leakage.
 
2012-09-13 01:44:27 PM

lemurs: Since an attack by foreigners in a foreign country is a good opportunity for the president to say and do a lot of presidential things, and that Romney's smirking political opportunism was a major fumble by most accounts, I think it's likely the numbers will move further in Obama's direction so long as there's some persuadable voters left.


If it lasts too long then Obama will look ineffective. If it lasts a week then calms down then I think Obama will be fine.
 
2012-09-13 01:46:15 PM
I have quite a few friends who consider themselves Republicans and work for the auto industry (either directly or one of the suppliers). They tell me they will not vote for Romney because he said to let the auto industry die. They may not be voting for Obama, but they sure aren't voting for Mitt.
 
2012-09-13 01:48:10 PM
Previous 2 years: "Yes, Obama may be strong on foreign policy, but nobody cares about Osama Bin Laden anymore. The American people care about one thing and one thing only ... the economy and jobs. Everything else is irrelevant. Stay tuned for more!!!!"

Previous 2 days: "What? A US Embassy was attacked overseas? Folks, forget all the polls and everything else you might have heard, this changes the entire race and it's all up in the air! Stay tuned for more!!!! "
 
2012-09-13 01:50:02 PM

ps69: Mitt: Let Detroit Go Bankrupt.

Michigan: Let Mitt Go Fark Himself.


This.

Koggie: I have quite a few friends who consider themselves Republicans and work for the auto industry (either directly or one of the suppliers). They tell me they will not vote for Romney because he said to let the auto industry die. They may not be voting for Obama, but they sure aren't voting for Mitt.


And that.


Romney never had a chance of winning this state.
 
2012-09-13 01:51:32 PM

dletter: The only person to win the presidency while losing their "home" state and their birth state was James Polk.

Romney is no Polk.


Why did I read that in Lloyd Bentsen's voice? Who the fark is Lloyd Bentsen?
 
2012-09-13 01:51:37 PM

dletter: The only person to win the presidency while losing their "home" state and their birth state was James Polk.

Romney is no Polk.


Napoleon of the Stump?
 
2012-09-13 01:53:32 PM

ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.


You mean all three home states, right? Because he claims Utah as well.
 
2012-09-13 01:56:26 PM

Weaver95: lemurs: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

Since an attack by foreigners in a foreign country is a good opportunity for the president to say and do a lot of presidential things, and that Romney's smirking political opportunism was a major fumble by most accounts, I think it's likely the numbers will move further in Obama's direction so long as there's some persuadable voters left.

y'know...I've been pondering WHY Romney stuck his nose into that situation. smart money wouldn't have gotten involved in that mess. it's a lose/lose situation to try and turn that sort of thing into a political football. the only thing I can figure is that Romney is following the standard issue GOP playbook, which says (loosely translated from the Dark Speech of Rovian) that Obama *cannot* be permitted to be seen as being effective at his job under any circumstances. if that theory is true, then Romney simply had no choice: he *had* to attack Obama's handling of the embassy attack. to do otherwise would permit the perception that Obama was in some way good at doing his job. the fact that Romney ended up looking like weapons grade asshole material was irrelevant. the point is to hammer home the idea that Obama is incompetent.


It might have even worked if he hadn't been so smarmy about it. Put it in a campaign ad about how Obama's foreign policy decisions have destabilized the middle east or something. I'm not advocating that position but it seems Romney could have disguised his opportunistic political ploy a little better with some more nuance.
 
2012-09-13 01:57:49 PM

InmanRoshi: Previous 2 years: "Yes, Obama may be strong on foreign policy, but nobody cares about Osama Bin Laden anymore. The American people care about one thing and one thing only ... the economy and jobs. Everything else is irrelevant. Stay tuned for more!!!!"

Previous 2 days: "What? A US Embassy was attacked overseas? Folks, forget all the polls and everything else you might have heard, this changes the entire race and it's all up in the air! Stay tuned for more!!!! "


My smart-but-dumb coworker is making noises about just staying home instead of voting for Romney. I'd like to not feel relieved but... :\
 
2012-09-13 01:58:45 PM

Karma Curmudgeon: I'm not sure the damage from this is necessarily going to show up in polling.


The reason that none of these issues has totally torpedoed Romney yet is that as soon as we get used to one, and the real dialogue is about to start, he goes and sticks his foot in it again, we forget the first issue, and turn to focus on the decond issue, and that one gets taken away before the debate really focuses on it very much.

And so on...
 
2012-09-13 01:59:30 PM
538 now gives Rmoney an 8.4% chance of winning, if the election happened today. A week ago, he had a 32.3% chance. FREEFALLLLLLLING...

Time to turn the guns on the downticket elections. No farking way we let the GOP take the Senate.
 
2012-09-13 02:01:07 PM

Mega Steve: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

While the "apology" may have cost Obama some points, I think the smirk may have cost Romney more

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The "apology" didn't cost Obama anything. Only the rabidly anti-Obama could consider anything he said even vaguely close to an apology.
 
2012-09-13 02:01:14 PM

shower_in_my_socks: 538 now gives Rmoney an 8.4% chance of winning, if the election happened today. A week ago, he had a 32.3% chance. FREEFALLLLLLLING...

Time to turn the guns on the downticket elections. No farking way we let the GOP take the Senate.


I know, I thought this was going to be a closer race than it was with McCain just because of anti-incumbent sentiment.

But Mitt sure has done a great job of pissing that all away as of late hasn't he?
 
2012-09-13 02:02:06 PM

Boxcutta: It feels good to see the poll numbers in Michigan. His level of support is just the right height.


abcnewsradioonline.com
I TAKE IT BACK, YOU STUPID MICHIGANDERS! YOUR TREES ARE WAY TOO SHORT! SO THERE!
 
2012-09-13 02:03:07 PM

propasaurus: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

All 3 if you count his home in California.


Well, he will win Utah, where he lived from 1999 to 2002.
 
2012-09-13 02:03:24 PM
Is the media actually showing the picture of Romney smirking like a douche? Because that'd be pretty damning shiat if it could get on the air repeatedly for the rest of the week.
 
2012-09-13 02:03:47 PM

torr5962: These polls are bullshiat. Who answers a landline anymore?


Does the poll say it used only landlines? I don't think polls do that anymore.
 
2012-09-13 02:05:20 PM
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"That's nice, you look like a Helen. Helen, we're both in politics. Let me tell you why I suck as a politician. Let's say I go into a guy's office, let's say he's even remotely interested in voting for me. Well then I get all excited. I'm like Jojo the idiot circus boy with a pretty new pet.

Now the pet is my possible vote. Hello there pretty little pet, I love you. And then I stoke it, and I pet it, and I massage it. Hehe, I love it, I love my little naughty pet... You're naughty! And then I take my naughty pet and I go...

Uuuuuuh! I killed it! I killed my vote! And that's when I blow it. That's when people like us have gotta forge ahead, Helen. Am I right?"
 
2012-09-13 02:06:49 PM

vernonFL: I think Romney went a little overboard when building his house in the DC suburbs.

I mean, I know he has a big family, but this is too much.


"RELEASE DOROTHY!"


www.ldschurchtemples.com


\older DC beltway drivers know this one
 
2012-09-13 02:08:17 PM

Mrtraveler01: shower_in_my_socks: 538 now gives Rmoney an 8.4% chance of winning, if the election happened today. A week ago, he had a 32.3% chance. FREEFALLLLLLLING...

Time to turn the guns on the downticket elections. No farking way we let the GOP take the Senate.

I know, I thought this was going to be a closer race than it was with McCain just because of anti-incumbent sentiment.

But Mitt sure has done a great job of pissing that all away as of late hasn't he?


The incumbent actually has a huge advantage.
 
2012-09-13 02:10:35 PM

2wolves: \older DC beltway drivers know this one


I thought it was "surrender dorothy"? I remember seeing it on that bridge. I wish it was still there or I had a photo of it. 495 going north / west towards Silver Spring / Bethesda.
 
2012-09-13 02:13:54 PM
I keep hoping that Mitt and Ann have a murder/suicide pact.
 
2012-09-13 02:13:56 PM

shastacola: torr5962: These polls are bullshiat. Who answers a landline anymore?

Does the poll say it used only landlines? I don't think polls do that anymore.


Some polls exclusively use landlines. Cell phones are under-represented in polling.
 
2012-09-13 02:14:14 PM

2wolves: vernonFL: I think Romney went a little overboard when building his house in the DC suburbs.

I mean, I know he has a big family, but this is too much.


"RELEASE DOROTHY!"

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\older DC beltway drivers know this one


When I was a kid, I used to think it was Disney World.
 
2012-09-13 02:16:38 PM

2wolves: \older DC beltway drivers know this one


Yes, they know it was "Surrender Dorothy".
 
2012-09-13 02:18:27 PM

vernonFL: 2wolves: \older DC beltway drivers know this one

I thought it was "surrender dorothy"? I remember seeing it on that bridge. I wish it was still there or I had a photo of it. 495 going north / west towards Silver Spring / Bethesda.


You're entirely correct. My error. That was one world class prank with no one getting hurt.
 
2012-09-13 02:19:40 PM

brianbankerus: shastacola: torr5962: These polls are bullshiat. Who answers a landline anymore?

Does the poll say it used only landlines? I don't think polls do that anymore.

Some polls exclusively use landlines. Cell phones are under-represented in polling.


Just asking the question - don't at least some pollsters account for that by adjusting their polling data? I would think at least some do, but does anyone know?
 
2012-09-13 02:20:20 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: 2wolves: \older DC beltway drivers know this one

Yes, they know it was "Surrender Dorothy".


A thousand apologies.
 
2012-09-13 02:20:28 PM
Is it just me or does Politico show up really, really small on a retina monitor?
 
2012-09-13 02:24:29 PM
I found it, black and white, though.

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2012-09-13 02:24:32 PM

dericwater: propasaurus: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

All 3 if you count his home in California.

Well, he will win Utah, where he lived from 1999 to 2002.


I thought he lived in his son's basement in Boston?
 
2012-09-13 02:24:41 PM

ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.


Which home state is Obama losing? Illinois? Hawaii? Kenya?
 
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