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(Politico)   Like a Boss, Mitt Romney storms back in MI polls. Just kidding, down by 10 points now   (politico.com ) divider line
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2012-09-13 12:19:40 PM  
The only person to win the presidency while losing their "home" state and their birth state was James Polk.

Romney is no Polk.
 
2012-09-13 12:21:10 PM  
I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.
 
2012-09-13 12:30:53 PM  
Hmmmmmm why would he be losing in Michigan after he said GM should be left to die and then once saved it was thanks to him?
 
2012-09-13 12:33:51 PM  
I'm sure that the recent events involving the embassies will be talked about and in two weeks forgotten about by most of the population. If Romney is down in his home state at this point it is not a good sign for him over all. The window is narrowing very quickly to actually take a stance on most issues and create a clear platform. The only strategy I can possibly understand the Romney camp trying to pull off is trying to wait to the debates to make concrete statements in an attempt to keep the opposition in the dark with little time to react. However, that is incredibly risky at best because should it backfire there is virtually no time left for damage control. Really though, the whole Romney campaign is a bit of a mystery to me.
 
2012-09-13 12:39:58 PM  

dletter: The only person to win the presidency while losing their "home" state and their birth state was James Polk.


Does Romney even have a home state? I mean, I know Michigan's trees are the right height and all that, and it was in Michigan that he began honing his bullying ways, but is there really a connection?

Serpentile6: The window is narrowing very quickly to actually take a stance on most issues and create a clear platform.


And he will be very relieved when that window finally closes. It is clear that Romney has no desire to share any plans he may have with us peons. We just have to trust. Ask Ann.
 
2012-09-13 12:41:17 PM  
This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.
 
2012-09-13 12:41:18 PM  

dletter: Romney is no Polk.


Actually, wasn't there an article on Fark awhile back comparing Romney to Polk? IIRC, Polk is the last gasp of presidential power for the Antebellum Southern Democracts and he used the office to further their interests (expansion of slavery) in the face of an inevitable, unavoidable decline (and the ascendency of the North).
 
2012-09-13 12:45:08 PM  

ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.


Only 2 home states? I figure he's got more
 
2012-09-13 12:46:49 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

Only 2 home states? I figure he's got more


Sometimes. Quantum Romney is very difficult to pin down.
 
2012-09-13 12:48:42 PM  

Dogberry: Dead for Tax Reasons: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

Only 2 home states? I figure he's got more

Sometimes. Quantum Romney is very difficult to pin down.


LOL but he seems to be poised to lose in all of them...
 
2012-09-13 12:53:47 PM  

ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.


All 3 if you count his home in California.
 
2012-09-13 12:55:32 PM  
Romney's campaign has been a slow motion train wreck. I think this part is where the locomotive finally makes contact with the ground, after having come off the rails.
 
2012-09-13 12:56:13 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

Only 2 home states? I figure he's got more


New Hampshire

1.bp.blogspot.com

Utah

www.zillow.com

California

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2012-09-13 12:57:51 PM  
That one in California looks small, but that's mostly because it has something like 3500 square feet of fully finished "basement" area.
 
2012-09-13 12:59:14 PM  
Wow, the comments on that article.

1) The level of delusion that Romney is indeed winning in Michigan and Ohio
2) Take the time to create a fake facebook account and be anonymous before derping that hard
 
2012-09-13 12:59:16 PM  

Hollie Maea: That one in California looks small, but that's mostly because it has something like 3500 square feet of fully finished "basement" area.


That's the one he was planning on knocking down to build a much bigger house.
 
2012-09-13 01:01:33 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Hollie Maea: That one in California looks small, but that's mostly because it has something like 3500 square feet of fully finished "basement" area.

That's the one he was planning on knocking down to build a much bigger house.


Romneybot Maintenance Facility
 
2012-09-13 01:04:27 PM  
I think Romney went a little overboard when building his house in the DC suburbs.

I mean, I know he has a big family, but this is too much.

www.ldschurchtemples.com
 
2012-09-13 01:06:02 PM  
Making his way to the ring, from Detroit Michigan, but making his Autumn Residence in San Diego, California... MITT ROMNEY!

blog.pokerjunkie.com
 
2012-09-13 01:14:15 PM  
Libya - The Reverse Willie Horton.
 
2012-09-13 01:14:44 PM  
It's not he who votes that counts, it is he who counts the votes.
 
2012-09-13 01:15:10 PM  

Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.


That's fair enough... but you should be equally skeptical of polling showing Romney hanging tight with Obama, since there hasn't been a single debate yet.

/potential to cause some change
 
2012-09-13 01:15:28 PM  

ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.


Both? There's Utah, Massachussetts and Michigan. Spirital, current, and birth.
 
2012-09-13 01:16:01 PM  
I mean we might as well throw in Mass. too.

"Look at my state, I was awesome!"
'They don't seem to think so.'
 
2012-09-13 01:16:03 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Making his way to the ring, from Detroit Michigan, but making his Autumn Residence in San Diego, California... MITT ROMNEY!


That's a completely unfair comparison.

Ted DiBiase has more charisma and showmanship in his pinky than Rmoney will ever have.
 
2012-09-13 01:16:17 PM  
Romney is losing the vote of the planet that his relatives rule in the afterlife!
 
2012-09-13 01:16:34 PM  
These polls are bullshiat. Who answers a landline anymore?
 
2012-09-13 01:17:03 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-13 01:17:11 PM  

Mega Steve: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

While the "apology" may have cost Obama some points, I think the smirk may have cost Romney more

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i'm leaning towards the idea that Romney hurt himself out of that whole debacle. he should have STFU, kept his comments minimal and general and moved on to other things.
 
2012-09-13 01:17:16 PM  

Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.


Since an attack by foreigners in a foreign country is a good opportunity for the president to say and do a lot of presidential things, and that Romney's smirking political opportunism was a major fumble by most accounts, I think it's likely the numbers will move further in Obama's direction so long as there's some persuadable voters left.
 
2012-09-13 01:17:22 PM  

Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.


The race is constantly changing every day. With a policy like that, the only poll you'll look at is Nov. 7th's
 
2012-09-13 01:17:34 PM  

coeyagi: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

Both? There's Utah, Massachussetts and Michigan. Spirital, current, and birth.


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2012-09-13 01:19:41 PM  

Carn: coeyagi: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

Both? There's Utah, Massachussetts and Michigan. Spirital, current, and birth.

*shakes tiny fist*


Oh, was he counting Wisconsin for Ryan? Well, yeah. shiat, these clowns probably could find tenuous connections to claim 47 out of the 50 states "home". Romney has houses in how many?
 
2012-09-13 01:20:23 PM  
Romney isn't buying any more TV time in Michigan.

As a Michigander, all I can say is W000T!111!!1
 
2012-09-13 01:20:30 PM  

Mega Steve: While the "apology" may have cost Obama some points, I think the smirk may have cost Romney more


I thought the empty chair may have been the republican's "Mike Dukakis in a tank" moment, but this one is beats it hands down.
 
2012-09-13 01:21:27 PM  

Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.


Intrade has near instant polling: 

growlersoftware.com

growlersoftware.com
 
2012-09-13 01:22:11 PM  

lemurs: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

Since an attack by foreigners in a foreign country is a good opportunity for the president to say and do a lot of presidential things, and that Romney's smirking political opportunism was a major fumble by most accounts, I think it's likely the numbers will move further in Obama's direction so long as there's some persuadable voters left.


y'know...I've been pondering WHY Romney stuck his nose into that situation. smart money wouldn't have gotten involved in that mess. it's a lose/lose situation to try and turn that sort of thing into a political football. the only thing I can figure is that Romney is following the standard issue GOP playbook, which says (loosely translated from the Dark Speech of Rovian) that Obama *cannot* be permitted to be seen as being effective at his job under any circumstances. if that theory is true, then Romney simply had no choice: he *had* to attack Obama's handling of the embassy attack. to do otherwise would permit the perception that Obama was in some way good at doing his job. the fact that Romney ended up looking like weapons grade asshole material was irrelevant. the point is to hammer home the idea that Obama is incompetent.
 
2012-09-13 01:22:55 PM  

dletter: The only person to win the presidency while losing their "home" state and their birth state was James Polk.

Romney is no Polk.


The Cayman islands don't get to vote.
 
2012-09-13 01:23:22 PM  
And after this great factory visit he just made?

Romney Spends Most Of Factory Visit Yelling At Employees To Work Harder
 
2012-09-13 01:26:35 PM  

coeyagi: Carn: coeyagi: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

Both? There's Utah, Massachussetts and Michigan. Spirital, current, and birth.

*shakes tiny fist*

Oh, was he counting Wisconsin for Ryan? Well, yeah. shiat, these clowns probably could find tenuous connections to claim 47 out of the 50 states "home". Romney has houses in how many?


Yeah and someone else mentioned he (Romney) has a house in California too. So now we're at 5 minimum?

I was just jealous because you got in with Mass before I did :P
 
2012-09-13 01:26:46 PM  
No one ever wins his home state.
 
2012-09-13 01:26:59 PM  
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Book it, done
 
2012-09-13 01:28:39 PM  

Otherwise Just Fine: Romney's campaign has been a slow motion train wreck. I think this part is where the locomotive finally makes contact with the ground, after having come off the rails.


And when the tankers full of propane explode, causing the nuclear waste car to crack...that'll be his November 6.
 
2012-09-13 01:29:04 PM  

impaler: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

Intrade has near instant polling: 

[growlersoftware.com image 780x311]

[growlersoftware.com image 780x311]


If I had only had a few grand to spare a month ago. If only.
 
2012-09-13 01:29:05 PM  

coeyagi: Carn: coeyagi: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

Both? There's Utah, Massachussetts and Michigan. Spirital, current, and birth.

*shakes tiny fist*

Oh, was he counting Wisconsin for Ryan? Well, yeah. shiat, these clowns probably could find tenuous connections to claim 47 out of the 50 states "home". Romney has houses in how many?


I'm a she, coeyagi. And I was counting WI.
 
2012-09-13 01:29:23 PM  

Weaver95: lemurs: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

Since an attack by foreigners in a foreign country is a good opportunity for the president to say and do a lot of presidential things, and that Romney's smirking political opportunism was a major fumble by most accounts, I think it's likely the numbers will move further in Obama's direction so long as there's some persuadable voters left.

y'know...I've been pondering WHY Romney stuck his nose into that situation. smart money wouldn't have gotten involved in that mess. it's a lose/lose situation to try and turn that sort of thing into a political football. the only thing I can figure is that Romney is following the standard issue GOP playbook, which says (loosely translated from the Dark Speech of Rovian) that Obama *cannot* be permitted to be seen as being effective at his job under any circumstances. if that theory is true, then Romney simply had no choice: he *had* to attack Obama's handling of the embassy attack. to do otherwise would permit the perception that Obama was in some way good at doing his job. the fact that Romney ended up looking like weapons grade asshole material was irrelevant. the point is to hammer home the idea that Obama is incompetent.


He was starting to get pressure to show strength in foreign policy, and I guess cracked under it and jumped the gun.
 
2012-09-13 01:29:51 PM  
i.qkme.me
 
2012-09-13 01:29:53 PM  
Mitt: Let Detroit Go Bankrupt.

Michigan: Let Mitt Go Fark Himself.

Mitt personally, and the GOP as a whole by opposition to the auto bailout, sacrificed the state for a generation. They will not carry Michigan until at least the 2030s. The GOP may cease to exist before Michigan goes republican again.
 
2012-09-13 01:30:35 PM  

ginandbacon: coeyagi: Carn: coeyagi: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

Both? There's Utah, Massachussetts and Michigan. Spirital, current, and birth.

*shakes tiny fist*

Oh, was he counting Wisconsin for Ryan? Well, yeah. shiat, these clowns probably could find tenuous connections to claim 47 out of the 50 states "home". Romney has houses in how many?

I'm a she, coeyagi. And I was counting WI.


My apologies, ma'am.
 
2012-09-13 01:30:50 PM  

Muta: Romney isn't buying any more TV time in Michigan.

As a Michigander, all I can say is W000T!111!!1


You don't think that is maybe because they have already rigged the bvote in MI, OH, and PA
 
2012-09-13 01:33:15 PM  

vernonFL: Dead for Tax Reasons: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

Only 2 home states? I figure he's got more

New Hampshire

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Utah

[www.zillow.com image 500x313]

California

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encyclopedia.caribseek.com

Cayman Islands.
 
2012-09-13 01:35:11 PM  

dletter: The only person to win the presidency while losing their "home" state and their birth state was James Polk.

Romney is no Polk.


he might lose all 4 of his home states. NH, MA, Mi and CA.
 
2012-09-13 01:36:10 PM  

coeyagi: ginandbacon: coeyagi: Carn: coeyagi: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

Both? There's Utah, Massachussetts and Michigan. Spirital, current, and birth.

*shakes tiny fist*

Oh, was he counting Wisconsin for Ryan? Well, yeah. shiat, these clowns probably could find tenuous connections to claim 47 out of the 50 states "home". Romney has houses in how many?

I'm a she, coeyagi. And I was counting WI.

My apologies, ma'am.


No worries. It happens a lot.
 
2012-09-13 01:36:12 PM  
It feels good to see the poll numbers in Michigan. His level of support is just the right height.
 
2012-09-13 01:36:47 PM  
www.ccisabroad.org
 
2012-09-13 01:37:42 PM  
How is he polling on Planet Kolob?
 
2012-09-13 01:37:52 PM  

impaler: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

Intrade has near instant polling: 

[growlersoftware.com image 780x311]

[growlersoftware.com image 780x311]


Yeah, but only of people who have money and know how to use a computer, so it doesn't take into account the majority of GOP voters.
 
2012-09-13 01:38:06 PM  

torr5962: These polls are bullshiat. Who answers a landline anymore?


Older, more conservative voters. You know, the kind of voter Romney desperately needs.
 
2012-09-13 01:38:37 PM  
Romney could be the first candidate to lose four home states all by himself.
 
2012-09-13 01:38:38 PM  
 
2012-09-13 01:39:27 PM  

lemurs: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

Since an attack by foreigners in a foreign country is a good opportunity for the president to say and do a lot of presidential things, and that Romney's smirking political opportunism was a major fumble by most accounts, I think it's likely the numbers will move further in Obama's direction so long as there's some persuadable voters left.


I'm not sure the damage from this is necessarily going to show up in polling. But it is real and it will be lasting. He crossed a bright red line in US politics, and then made sure every one knew he meant to do it. It calls into question what is supposedly his strength: situational assessment and management. It may not immediately affect the view of the polled likely voter, but it does affect the political class that he needs to be working their asses off for him over the next 8 weeks to get him elected. This is bad for fundraising, it's bad for his surrogates and supporters to have to answer to while pushing the executive leadership line, and ultimately and most importantly, it adds to the fairly substantial enthusiasm gap that, against all conceivable odds, Romney seems to be somehow creating for himself.
 
2012-09-13 01:39:41 PM  
Well, at least now we don't have to hear about how striking Chicago teachers are going to damage fartbongo.
 
2012-09-13 01:39:53 PM  
Hey Willard: See how Michigan is shaped like a hand? That hand is going to biatch-slap your carpet-bagging ass all the way back to whatever Yuppie egg sack you call home.
 
2012-09-13 01:40:41 PM  

impaler: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

Intrade has near instant polling: 

[growlersoftware.com image 780x311]

[growlersoftware.com image 780x311]


If you go to the "Time and Sales" trade by trade view, you'll see that the QE announcement gave Obama over a percentage point bump and hit Romney by the same amount. I wonder if Mitt can manage to not say something that shows that he's pissed that something that will help people is happening before the election.
 
2012-09-13 01:40:54 PM  
More bad new for Romney
S&P 500 at highest intraday since Jan 2008
 
2012-09-13 01:41:46 PM  

Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.


Why? Because Romney handled the situation so well?
 
2012-09-13 01:42:58 PM  
Big difference. Polk was actually elected.
 
2012-09-13 01:43:04 PM  

Tax Boy: dletter: The only person to win the presidency while losing their "home" state and their birth state was James Polk.

Romney is no Polk.

The Cayman islands don't get to vote.


I think the Republicans have lost the Dominican Republic. Thanks to Rush Limbaugh, an entire generation of young men sit on that island, muttering to themselves through bouts of anal leakage.
 
2012-09-13 01:44:27 PM  

lemurs: Since an attack by foreigners in a foreign country is a good opportunity for the president to say and do a lot of presidential things, and that Romney's smirking political opportunism was a major fumble by most accounts, I think it's likely the numbers will move further in Obama's direction so long as there's some persuadable voters left.


If it lasts too long then Obama will look ineffective. If it lasts a week then calms down then I think Obama will be fine.
 
2012-09-13 01:46:15 PM  
I have quite a few friends who consider themselves Republicans and work for the auto industry (either directly or one of the suppliers). They tell me they will not vote for Romney because he said to let the auto industry die. They may not be voting for Obama, but they sure aren't voting for Mitt.
 
2012-09-13 01:48:10 PM  
Previous 2 years: "Yes, Obama may be strong on foreign policy, but nobody cares about Osama Bin Laden anymore. The American people care about one thing and one thing only ... the economy and jobs. Everything else is irrelevant. Stay tuned for more!!!!"

Previous 2 days: "What? A US Embassy was attacked overseas? Folks, forget all the polls and everything else you might have heard, this changes the entire race and it's all up in the air! Stay tuned for more!!!! "
 
2012-09-13 01:50:02 PM  

ps69: Mitt: Let Detroit Go Bankrupt.

Michigan: Let Mitt Go Fark Himself.


This.

Koggie: I have quite a few friends who consider themselves Republicans and work for the auto industry (either directly or one of the suppliers). They tell me they will not vote for Romney because he said to let the auto industry die. They may not be voting for Obama, but they sure aren't voting for Mitt.


And that.


Romney never had a chance of winning this state.
 
2012-09-13 01:51:32 PM  

dletter: The only person to win the presidency while losing their "home" state and their birth state was James Polk.

Romney is no Polk.


Why did I read that in Lloyd Bentsen's voice? Who the fark is Lloyd Bentsen?
 
2012-09-13 01:51:37 PM  

dletter: The only person to win the presidency while losing their "home" state and their birth state was James Polk.

Romney is no Polk.


Napoleon of the Stump?
 
2012-09-13 01:53:32 PM  

ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.


You mean all three home states, right? Because he claims Utah as well.
 
2012-09-13 01:56:26 PM  

Weaver95: lemurs: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

Since an attack by foreigners in a foreign country is a good opportunity for the president to say and do a lot of presidential things, and that Romney's smirking political opportunism was a major fumble by most accounts, I think it's likely the numbers will move further in Obama's direction so long as there's some persuadable voters left.

y'know...I've been pondering WHY Romney stuck his nose into that situation. smart money wouldn't have gotten involved in that mess. it's a lose/lose situation to try and turn that sort of thing into a political football. the only thing I can figure is that Romney is following the standard issue GOP playbook, which says (loosely translated from the Dark Speech of Rovian) that Obama *cannot* be permitted to be seen as being effective at his job under any circumstances. if that theory is true, then Romney simply had no choice: he *had* to attack Obama's handling of the embassy attack. to do otherwise would permit the perception that Obama was in some way good at doing his job. the fact that Romney ended up looking like weapons grade asshole material was irrelevant. the point is to hammer home the idea that Obama is incompetent.


It might have even worked if he hadn't been so smarmy about it. Put it in a campaign ad about how Obama's foreign policy decisions have destabilized the middle east or something. I'm not advocating that position but it seems Romney could have disguised his opportunistic political ploy a little better with some more nuance.
 
2012-09-13 01:57:49 PM  

InmanRoshi: Previous 2 years: "Yes, Obama may be strong on foreign policy, but nobody cares about Osama Bin Laden anymore. The American people care about one thing and one thing only ... the economy and jobs. Everything else is irrelevant. Stay tuned for more!!!!"

Previous 2 days: "What? A US Embassy was attacked overseas? Folks, forget all the polls and everything else you might have heard, this changes the entire race and it's all up in the air! Stay tuned for more!!!! "


My smart-but-dumb coworker is making noises about just staying home instead of voting for Romney. I'd like to not feel relieved but... :\
 
2012-09-13 01:58:45 PM  

Karma Curmudgeon: I'm not sure the damage from this is necessarily going to show up in polling.


The reason that none of these issues has totally torpedoed Romney yet is that as soon as we get used to one, and the real dialogue is about to start, he goes and sticks his foot in it again, we forget the first issue, and turn to focus on the decond issue, and that one gets taken away before the debate really focuses on it very much.

And so on...
 
2012-09-13 01:59:30 PM  
538 now gives Rmoney an 8.4% chance of winning, if the election happened today. A week ago, he had a 32.3% chance. FREEFALLLLLLLING...

Time to turn the guns on the downticket elections. No farking way we let the GOP take the Senate.
 
2012-09-13 02:01:07 PM  

Mega Steve: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

While the "apology" may have cost Obama some points, I think the smirk may have cost Romney more

[bobcesca.com image 500x334]


The "apology" didn't cost Obama anything. Only the rabidly anti-Obama could consider anything he said even vaguely close to an apology.
 
2012-09-13 02:01:14 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: 538 now gives Rmoney an 8.4% chance of winning, if the election happened today. A week ago, he had a 32.3% chance. FREEFALLLLLLLING...

Time to turn the guns on the downticket elections. No farking way we let the GOP take the Senate.


I know, I thought this was going to be a closer race than it was with McCain just because of anti-incumbent sentiment.

But Mitt sure has done a great job of pissing that all away as of late hasn't he?
 
2012-09-13 02:02:06 PM  

Boxcutta: It feels good to see the poll numbers in Michigan. His level of support is just the right height.


abcnewsradioonline.com
I TAKE IT BACK, YOU STUPID MICHIGANDERS! YOUR TREES ARE WAY TOO SHORT! SO THERE!

 
2012-09-13 02:03:07 PM  

propasaurus: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

All 3 if you count his home in California.


Well, he will win Utah, where he lived from 1999 to 2002.
 
2012-09-13 02:03:24 PM  
Is the media actually showing the picture of Romney smirking like a douche? Because that'd be pretty damning shiat if it could get on the air repeatedly for the rest of the week.
 
2012-09-13 02:03:47 PM  

torr5962: These polls are bullshiat. Who answers a landline anymore?


Does the poll say it used only landlines? I don't think polls do that anymore.
 
2012-09-13 02:05:20 PM  

i.imgur.com

"That's nice, you look like a Helen. Helen, we're both in politics. Let me tell you why I suck as a politician. Let's say I go into a guy's office, let's say he's even remotely interested in voting for me. Well then I get all excited. I'm like Jojo the idiot circus boy with a pretty new pet.

Now the pet is my possible vote. Hello there pretty little pet, I love you. And then I stoke it, and I pet it, and I massage it. Hehe, I love it, I love my little naughty pet... You're naughty! And then I take my naughty pet and I go...

Uuuuuuh! I killed it! I killed my vote! And that's when I blow it. That's when people like us have gotta forge ahead, Helen. Am I right?"

 
2012-09-13 02:06:49 PM  

vernonFL: I think Romney went a little overboard when building his house in the DC suburbs.

I mean, I know he has a big family, but this is too much.


"RELEASE DOROTHY!"


www.ldschurchtemples.com



\older DC beltway drivers know this one
 
2012-09-13 02:08:17 PM  

Mrtraveler01: shower_in_my_socks: 538 now gives Rmoney an 8.4% chance of winning, if the election happened today. A week ago, he had a 32.3% chance. FREEFALLLLLLLING...

Time to turn the guns on the downticket elections. No farking way we let the GOP take the Senate.

I know, I thought this was going to be a closer race than it was with McCain just because of anti-incumbent sentiment.

But Mitt sure has done a great job of pissing that all away as of late hasn't he?


The incumbent actually has a huge advantage.
 
2012-09-13 02:10:35 PM  

2wolves: \older DC beltway drivers know this one


I thought it was "surrender dorothy"? I remember seeing it on that bridge. I wish it was still there or I had a photo of it. 495 going north / west towards Silver Spring / Bethesda.
 
2012-09-13 02:13:54 PM  
I keep hoping that Mitt and Ann have a murder/suicide pact.
 
2012-09-13 02:13:56 PM  

shastacola: torr5962: These polls are bullshiat. Who answers a landline anymore?

Does the poll say it used only landlines? I don't think polls do that anymore.


Some polls exclusively use landlines. Cell phones are under-represented in polling.
 
2012-09-13 02:14:14 PM  

2wolves: vernonFL: I think Romney went a little overboard when building his house in the DC suburbs.

I mean, I know he has a big family, but this is too much.


"RELEASE DOROTHY!"

[www.ldschurchtemples.com image 480x360]

\older DC beltway drivers know this one


When I was a kid, I used to think it was Disney World.
 
2012-09-13 02:16:38 PM  

2wolves: \older DC beltway drivers know this one


Yes, they know it was "Surrender Dorothy".
 
2012-09-13 02:18:27 PM  

vernonFL: 2wolves: \older DC beltway drivers know this one

I thought it was "surrender dorothy"? I remember seeing it on that bridge. I wish it was still there or I had a photo of it. 495 going north / west towards Silver Spring / Bethesda.


You're entirely correct. My error. That was one world class prank with no one getting hurt.
 
2012-09-13 02:19:40 PM  

brianbankerus: shastacola: torr5962: These polls are bullshiat. Who answers a landline anymore?

Does the poll say it used only landlines? I don't think polls do that anymore.

Some polls exclusively use landlines. Cell phones are under-represented in polling.


Just asking the question - don't at least some pollsters account for that by adjusting their polling data? I would think at least some do, but does anyone know?
 
2012-09-13 02:20:20 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: 2wolves: \older DC beltway drivers know this one

Yes, they know it was "Surrender Dorothy".


A thousand apologies.
 
2012-09-13 02:20:28 PM  
Is it just me or does Politico show up really, really small on a retina monitor?
 
2012-09-13 02:24:29 PM  
I found it, black and white, though.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-13 02:24:32 PM  

dericwater: propasaurus: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

All 3 if you count his home in California.

Well, he will win Utah, where he lived from 1999 to 2002.


I thought he lived in his son's basement in Boston?
 
2012-09-13 02:24:41 PM  

ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.


Which home state is Obama losing? Illinois? Hawaii? Kenya?
 
2012-09-13 02:27:50 PM  

Here'sJohnny: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

Which home state is Obama losing? Illinois? Hawaii? Kenya?


That is the stupidest post I've seen in well over a month.
 
2012-09-13 02:27:56 PM  
Nvm misread what I was replying to.
 
2012-09-13 02:28:00 PM  

Here'sJohnny: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

Which home state is Obama losing? Illinois? Hawaii? Kenya?


Who put the herp in the herp-da-derp-da-derp?
Who put the derp in the herpa-derpa-ding-dong?
 
2012-09-13 02:28:50 PM  

Here'sJohnny: Nvm misread what I was replying to.


sorry dude.
 
2012-09-13 02:30:33 PM  

Here'sJohnny: Nvm misread what I was replying to.


I too apologize in that case.
 
2012-09-13 02:31:20 PM  

Muta: Romney isn't buying any more TV time in Michigan.

As a Michigander, all I can say is W000T!111!!1


As a former Michigander, I'm glad to see that idiotic change to "Michiganian" still hasn't caught on.

/relurk
 
2012-09-13 02:31:57 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Making his way to the ring, from Detroit Michigan, but making his Autumn Residence in San Diego, California... MITT ROMNEY!

[blog.pokerjunkie.com image 257x320]


WINNAR
 
2012-09-13 02:32:27 PM  

propasaurus: dericwater: propasaurus: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

All 3 if you count his home in California.

Well, he will win Utah, where he lived from 1999 to 2002.

I thought he lived in his son's basement in Boston?


CA, UT, MI, MA. Missing any?
 
2012-09-13 02:34:57 PM  

Here'sJohnny: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

Which home state is Obama losing? Illinois? Hawaii? Kenya?


He was born in Kenya, but actually raised in an Indonesian madrassa. And Hawaii isn't a state you stupid lib.
 
2012-09-13 02:35:55 PM  

coeyagi: brianbankerus: shastacola: torr5962: These polls are bullshiat. Who answers a landline anymore?

Does the poll say it used only landlines? I don't think polls do that anymore.

Some polls exclusively use landlines. Cell phones are under-represented in polling.

Just asking the question - don't at least some pollsters account for that by adjusting their polling data? I would think at least some do, but does anyone know?


Cell Phone users under-polled, could spell problems for Romney.
 
2012-09-13 02:41:16 PM  

insano: It might have even worked if he hadn't been so smarmy about it. Put it in a campaign ad about how Obama's foreign policy decisions have destabilized the middle east or something. I'm not advocating that position but it seems Romney could have disguised his opportunistic political ploy a little better with some more nuance.


It really was a no brainier. Our embassies getting attacked looks bad for the president, no matter if there was nothing the president could have realistically done to stop it.

Romney managed to turn something that should have given him a boost into a huge negative - he built that, all on his own.
 
2012-09-13 02:42:41 PM  
Excellent!

/from Michigan and voting for Obama.
 
2012-09-13 02:44:05 PM  
img688.imageshack.us

And this is BEFORE debates...
 
2012-09-13 02:45:34 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: Here'sJohnny: Nvm misread what I was replying to.

I too apologize in that case.


The "stupidest post I've seen in well over a month" contest is still alive!
 
2012-09-13 02:50:07 PM  

vernonFL: 2wolves: \older DC beltway drivers know this one

I thought it was "surrender dorothy"? I remember seeing it on that bridge. I wish it was still there or I had a photo of it. 495 going north / west towards Silver Spring / Bethesda.


Yep. Painted on the overpass, probably at the Ct. Ave exit heading toward Ga. Ave.

/Lived in Nova..worked in Md. late 80's
//Ann Romney would make an excellent witch
 
2012-09-13 02:50:18 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: [img688.imageshack.us image 362x265]

And this is BEFORE debates...


Romney is going to up his game for the debates. He's going to bet Obama $100,000 he is wrong about everything.
 
2012-09-13 02:51:46 PM  

robsul82: Is the media actually showing the picture of Romney smirking like a douche? Because that'd be pretty damning shiat if it could get on the air repeatedly for the rest of the week.


It's spreading like farking wildfire virally.
 
2012-09-13 02:53:27 PM  

JohnnyC: Excellent!

/from Michigan and voting for Obama.


My husband looked over my shoulder last night and asked me why I had you highlighted. I said "He's from Michigan. Graphic designer. It's cool."

My husband said "Okay... So?"

Me, "He votes Democrat. Can you believe it?"

Him, "Holy shiat. Yeah, I get it."

We sometimes feel a little... under pressure around here. :)
 
2012-09-13 02:53:40 PM  

mrshowrules: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: [img688.imageshack.us image 362x265]

And this is BEFORE debates...

Romney is going to up his game for the debates. He's going to bet Obama $100,000 he is wrong about everything.


I could see Romney saying "I'll bet you $100,000 -- and this watch should cover it"
 
2012-09-13 02:56:21 PM  

Zerochance: robsul82: Is the media actually showing the picture of Romney smirking like a douche? Because that'd be pretty damning shiat if it could get on the air repeatedly for the rest of the week.

It's spreading like farking wildfire virally.


Yeah, I'm sure it has on the Internet, but has it been shown and discussed on TV? That's how the old people get their information, and they can be counted on to vote.
 
2012-09-13 02:56:25 PM  

brianbankerus: coeyagi: brianbankerus: shastacola: torr5962: These polls are bullshiat. Who answers a landline anymore?

Does the poll say it used only landlines? I don't think polls do that anymore.

Some polls exclusively use landlines. Cell phones are under-represented in polling.

Just asking the question - don't at least some pollsters account for that by adjusting their polling data? I would think at least some do, but does anyone know?

Cell Phone users under-polled, could spell problems for Romney.


NUH UH!

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-13 02:57:16 PM  

Zafler: As a former Michigander, I'm glad to see that idiotic change to "Michiganian" still hasn't caught on.


Didn't they vote on that in like 1980 or something? I was a kid in Toledo and remember when it was on the ballot.
 
2012-09-13 02:57:44 PM  

mrshowrules: Romney is going to up his game for the debates. He's going to bet Obama $100,000 he is wrong about everything.


Romney's done his share of debates, so I don't really expect him to be a complete bumbling idiot. The problem is, after this particular turd nugget he's dealing with, he's blown the only tangible advantage he had - that he was being graded on a curve.

All Romney had to do was show up and mention a few specifics about his policies to get graded favorably. That's it. Now, he's given so much ammunition to the Obama campaign, he is going to be entirely on the defensive.
 
2012-09-13 02:58:28 PM  

brianbankerus: coeyagi: brianbankerus: shastacola: torr5962: These polls are bullshiat. Who answers a landline anymore?

Does the poll say it used only landlines? I don't think polls do that anymore.

Some polls exclusively use landlines. Cell phones are under-represented in polling.

Just asking the question - don't at least some pollsters account for that by adjusting their polling data? I would think at least some do, but does anyone know?

Cell Phone users under-polled, could spell problems for Romney.


I hope that cell phone users are under represented in polling, but I'll believe it when I see it in November. The article doesn't really say one way or the other if pollsters adjust their figures or not, just that NBC / Marist does differentiate. So I guess we can take that to mean they don't adjust their figures.

I dunno, just being cynical and hoping its not too good to be true.
 
2012-09-13 02:58:48 PM  

robsul82: Yeah, I'm sure it has on the Internet, but has it been shown and discussed on TV? That's how the old people get their information, and they can be counted on to vote.


Old people that get their information entirely through television are probably already voting Romney anyway.
 
2012-09-13 03:01:45 PM  

Parthenogenetic: NUH UH!


I'd seen those ads posted for a while, but I never noticed that the Jitterbug features "Familiar dial tone confirms service". Do people really put a cell phone up to their ear and check for a dial tone before they call someone? That's amazing. I used landlines for some 28 years but the paradigm shift to cell wasn't THAT hard.
 
2012-09-13 03:05:00 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Mega Steve: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

While the "apology" may have cost Obama some points, I think the smirk may have cost Romney more


[bobcesca.com image 500x334]

So much THIS! It's like you can read into that diseased mind of his, of him thinking to himself that this crisis is the best thing that could happen for his campaign. Screw the mayhem and the number of dead "little people". All that matters to Mitt is what Mitt wants.

WHEN he loses in November, it may be the first time in his life where he has actually not gotten what he wanted. I'd love to see what his face looks like on the night of Nov. 6th as it finally dawns on him that rich people don't win all the time.


I think he's finally gone mad, like his privileged little brain can't handle that he's not winning nor can he control the reactions of other people. Look at those reporters in the audience: they're stunned. And Romney is walking away like the only thing supporting his little fantasy world is his smirk, and nothing else matters.

One has to wonder how Romney is handling all of this. He's been catered to his entire life, and now he's getting a solid dose of reality. He has no talent, he has no skills, and his entire life is nothing but luck. He's entering the twilight of his life and has done nothing with it except sit around and do nothing. And now, when he's capable of making something out of himself by his own bootstraps, he can't. He sinks into delirium. And this guy thinks he can handle one of the hardest jobs in the entire world?

Romney's flipped. At this point, one can only imagine what October is going to look like. I get the feeling Ryan might be out on his ass when Romney finds someone else to put in that position. Somehow I think the reality will be even more insane.

Aidan: JohnnyC: Excellent!

/from Michigan and voting for Obama.

My husband looked over my shoulder last night and asked me why I had you highlighted. I said "He's from Michigan. Graphic designer. It's cool."

My husband said "Okay... So?"

Me, "He votes Democrat. Can you believe it?"

Him, "Holy shiat. Yeah, I get it."

We sometimes feel a little... under pressure around here. :)


You think that's awesome, check out Stabenow's numbers. Obama's doing so well that now Debbie has a ten point lead on Hokestra. Romney is sucking so hard we might see appreciable gains in Congressional seats simply from Republicans giving up in disgust.
 
2012-09-13 03:06:55 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: You think that's awesome, check out Stabenow's numbers. Obama's doing so well that now Debbie has a ten point lead on Hokestra. Romney is sucking so hard we might see appreciable gains in Congressional seats simply from Republicans giving up in disgust.


I don't know Stabenow very well, but I think that could be good. I had high hopes for Mr. Snyder but he's done a couple things that have soured me toward him.
 
2012-09-13 03:07:40 PM  

theorellior: Zafler: As a former Michigander, I'm glad to see that idiotic change to "Michiganian" still hasn't caught on.

Didn't they vote on that in like 1980 or something? I was a kid in Toledo and remember when it was on the ballot.


I don't think so. About all I recall is that John Engler made the push to use "Michiganian" while he was governor, far more than the previous one did. Most people ignored him. I was born in '80 so I could be wrong.
 
2012-09-13 03:08:03 PM  

dletter: The only person to win the presidency while losing their "home" state and their birth state was James Polk.

Romney is no Polk.


Al Gore
 
2012-09-13 03:11:45 PM  

Aidan: We sometimes feel a little... under pressure around here.


No kidding.

Technically, I'm an independent... but I tend to vote Democratic since they tend to be a least somewhat grounded in reality.
 
2012-09-13 03:12:29 PM  
It's OK Mitt, you have a home in at least 3 other states to try to win.
 
2012-09-13 03:13:45 PM  

Zerochance: mrshowrules: Romney is going to up his game for the debates. He's going to bet Obama $100,000 he is wrong about everything.

Romney's done his share of debates, so I don't really expect him to be a complete bumbling idiot. The problem is, after this particular turd nugget he's dealing with, he's blown the only tangible advantage he had - that he was being graded on a curve.

All Romney had to do was show up and mention a few specifics about his policies to get graded favorably. That's it. Now, he's given so much ammunition to the Obama campaign, he is going to be entirely on the defensive.


The last time he debated a Democrat in front of a non-partisan crowd was 2002. The time before that was with Ted Kennedy and he had his ass handed to him. I'm looking up the 2002 debate now.
 
2012-09-13 03:17:11 PM  

JohnnyC: Aidan: We sometimes feel a little... under pressure around here.

No kidding.

Technically, I'm an independent... but I tend to vote Democratic since they tend to be a least somewhat grounded in reality.


Yeah, that's just it. You can be independent (for serious) and then you see who's on the ticket and you go "Um... I'm gonna vote for sane this time around..."

Not saying it's like that all the time. In fact I had high hopes for Snyder, and there just has to be decent Republicans in regional politics somewhere. Whatever the reasoning is, Michigan Democrats seem to spout off less idiocy, on average. Either that, or I'm just annoyed at living in a very conservative area. :)
 
2012-09-13 03:18:34 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: Look at those reporters in the audience: they're stunned.


That's the thing that really makes it surreal. The reporters are all going, "Da fuq did I just witness?" And there goes Mittens, sauntering away like he just gave the Gettysburg Address.
 
2012-09-13 03:22:28 PM  
How weird. It's almost like you can't just try to throw a state's major economic engine under a bus and still have everyone in the state still like you.

///used to help my Mom with George Romney yard signs back in the day
//she'd be horrified by Mitt
/George probably would be too
 
2012-09-13 03:23:41 PM  

bmongar: Muta: Romney isn't buying any more TV time in Michigan.

As a Michigander, all I can say is W000T!111!!1

You don't think that is maybe because they have already rigged the bvote in MI, OH, and PA


I wish it was that way in NC. The best thing about 9/11 is that 50% of the political commercials disappeared. The only ones left were from Rove and Adelson that were on about every 20 minutes. Even that a cut down. We have been up to 15-20 an hour.
 
2012-09-13 03:25:54 PM  

Weaver95: y'know...I've been pondering WHY Romney stuck his nose into that situation. smart money wouldn't have gotten involved in that mess. it's a lose/lose situation to try and turn that sort of thing into a political football. the only thing I can figure is that Romney is following the standard issue GOP playbook, which says (loosely translated from the Dark Speech of Rovian) that Obama *cannot* be permitted to be seen as being effective at his job under any circumstances. if that theory is true, then Romney simply had no choice: he *had* to attack Obama's handling of the embassy attack. to do otherwise would permit the perception that Obama was in some way good at doing his job. the fact that Romney ended up looking like weapons grade asshole material was irrelevant. the point is to hammer home the idea that Obama is incompetent.


Of course the really bad mistake is to do it himself - when slinging mud at a opponent, it is best to have a surrogate do it for you, so that if it backfires you can back off with little or no negative consequences. And with so much media saturation, you don't need to be saying it yourself for it to get a lot of press - any of a hundred other figures in the GOP establishment making the same comments would have got just as much attention, and even if it worked you don't make yourself look good by such comments, it is only by pulling down the opponent you gain relative advantage.
 
2012-09-13 03:31:41 PM  

Dogberry: Does Romney even have a home state? I mean, I know Michigan's trees are the right height and all that, and it was in Michigan that he began honing his bullying ways, but is there really a connection?


Michigan is his birthstate.... most people tag his "home state" now as Massachusetts, since he was Gov.
 
2012-09-13 03:34:48 PM  

Aidan: JohnnyC: Excellent!

/from Michigan and voting for Obama.

My husband looked over my shoulder last night and asked me why I had you highlighted. I said "He's from Michigan. Graphic designer. It's cool."

My husband said "Okay... So?"

Me, "He votes Democrat. Can you believe it?"

Him, "Holy shiat. Yeah, I get it."

We sometimes feel a little... under pressure around here. :)


Amen, living in rural SE Michigan sometimes makes me feel like I am living in TeaPartyLand where up is down and black is wrong, always
 
2012-09-13 03:35:40 PM  

coeyagi: brianbankerus: coeyagi: brianbankerus: shastacola: torr5962: These polls are bullshiat. Who answers a landline anymore?

Does the poll say it used only landlines? I don't think polls do that anymore.

Some polls exclusively use landlines. Cell phones are under-represented in polling.

Just asking the question - don't at least some pollsters account for that by adjusting their polling data? I would think at least some do, but does anyone know?

Cell Phone users under-polled, could spell problems for Romney.

I hope that cell phone users are under represented in polling, but I'll believe it when I see it in November. The article doesn't really say one way or the other if pollsters adjust their figures or not, just that NBC / Marist does differentiate. So I guess we can take that to mean they don't adjust their figures.

I dunno, just being cynical and hoping its not too good to be true.


I'm taking nothing for granted. I'm in blue Washington state and you can bet your ass my ballot will be mailed back well in advance of November 6th. And if finally donated this month.
 
2012-09-13 03:37:41 PM  

ps69: Mitt personally, and the GOP as a whole by opposition to the auto bailout, sacrificed the state for a generation. They will not carry Michigan until at least the 2030s. The GOP may cease to exist before Michigan goes republican again.


So true.

That is, if you don't count the current Republican Governor.
Or the current Republican controlled state House.
Or the current Republican controlled state Senate.
Or the Republican controlled state Supreme Court.
Or the Republican Secretary of State.
Or the Republican Attorney General.

Aside from those, the state is completely blue.

(That said, Mitt moved away and his dad's governorship ended so long ago that most Michganders don't remember it.)
 
2012-09-13 03:38:11 PM  
What's sad is I think Romney could say things right now and cause even more chaos... First candidate to destroy peace without even being in an official role of anything
 
2012-09-13 03:40:53 PM  

vernonFL: I found it, black and white, though.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 425x564]

 

i.cdn.turner.com
 
2012-09-13 03:42:04 PM  

limeyfellow: bmongar: Muta: Romney isn't buying any more TV time in Michigan.

As a Michigander, all I can say is W000T!111!!1

You don't think that is maybe because they have already rigged the bvote in MI, OH, and PA

I wish it was that way in NC. The best thing about 9/11 is that 50% of the political commercials disappeared. The only ones left were from Rove and Adelson that were on about every 20 minutes. Even that a cut down. We have been up to 15-20 an hour.


Another good thing that may come out of this is that if Mitten's loses, SuperPACs may be dealt a fatal blow. Rich people don't tend to make bad second multimillion investments.
 
2012-09-13 03:43:11 PM  

insano: Weaver95: lemurs: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

Since an attack by foreigners in a foreign country is a good opportunity for the president to say and do a lot of presidential things, and that Romney's smirking political opportunism was a major fumble by most accounts, I think it's likely the numbers will move further in Obama's direction so long as there's some persuadable voters left.

y'know...I've been pondering WHY Romney stuck his nose into that situation. smart money wouldn't have gotten involved in that mess. it's a lose/lose situation to try and turn that sort of thing into a political football. the only thing I can figure is that Romney is following the standard issue GOP playbook, which says (loosely translated from the Dark Speech of Rovian) that Obama *cannot* be permitted to be seen as being effective at his job under any circumstances. if that theory is true, then Romney simply had no choice: he *had* to attack Obama's handling of the embassy attack. to do otherwise would permit the perception that Obama was in some way good at doing his job. the fact that Romney ended up looking like weapons grade asshole material was irrelevant. the point is to hammer home the idea that Obama is incompetent.

It might have even worked if he hadn't been so smarmy about it. Put it in a campaign ad about how Obama's foreign policy decisions have destabilized the middle east or something. I'm not advocating that position but it seems Romney could have disguised his opportunistic political ploy a little better with some more nuance.


He's white, and that is all the nuance he thinks will be needed. It worked wonders for Bush. Mitt wanted to appear confident, and he was confidently lying as he's done for what seems to be years. At this point, every lie told looks true in his very large pioneer head, and by smirking, he exposed his Willard. Willard is evil. Mitt's a fun guy, someone who you'd have a glass of water with and talk wholesome things. Hell, Mitt would offer you some green jello with carrots in it. Willard would hog it to himself. Fear the Willard, he's a venture capitalist and he'd sell your grandmother for a 7-UP.
 
2012-09-13 03:49:16 PM  

"RELEASE BWIAN!"

www.ldschurchtemples.com

 
2012-09-13 03:51:08 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: 2wolves: \older DC beltway drivers know this one

Yes, they know it was "Surrender Dorothy".


www.thefancarpet.com

Indeed

/obscure?
 
2012-09-13 04:01:18 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Mrtraveler01: shower_in_my_socks: 538 now gives Rmoney an 8.4% chance of winning, if the election happened today. A week ago, he had a 32.3% chance. FREEFALLLLLLLING...

Time to turn the guns on the downticket elections. No farking way we let the GOP take the Senate.

I know, I thought this was going to be a closer race than it was with McCain just because of anti-incumbent sentiment.

But Mitt sure has done a great job of pissing that all away as of late hasn't he?

The incumbent actually has a huge advantage.


This one may not have due to a lackluster recovery. I am voting Obama but I think the Republicans had a shot if they played it right. Then they picked a candidate that they don't even like and decided to double down by shiatting all over women.
 
2012-09-13 04:02:14 PM  

Aidan: Yeah, that's just it. You can be independent (for serious) and then you see who's on the ticket and you go "Um... I'm gonna vote for sane this time around..."

Not saying it's like that all the time. In fact I had high hopes for Snyder, and there just has to be decent Republicans in regional politics somewhere. Whatever the reasoning is, Michigan Democrats seem to spout off less idiocy, on average. Either that, or I'm just annoyed at living in a very conservative area. :)


I did not have high hopes for Snyder. After investigating him (as much as anyone with an internet connection can investigate a politician), I was sure he wasn't the right guy for the job. I was a little sad to see him win the election. Even more sad when the Republicans in the state instituted that stupid "emergency manager" nonsense.

Generally I think I can sum up my impressions of the parties like this:

Democratic: Generally mean well and aren't too pushy. Reality based. Needs to be more proactive.
Republican: Serve themselves and no one else. Theology based. Needs to keep their religion out of their politics entirely.
Green: Have gotten kind of kooky and are ineffectual. "Pie in the Sky" based. Doesn't seem to know how to run a campaign or political party... isn't viable. Causes more harm than good (see 2000 election).
Tea Party: Farking nuts... all of them. They're essentially Republicans who completely lost their minds after Obama was elected. A dangerous lot.

There are plenty of other little political parties that show up on the ballots, but their party affiliation often means little. I consider those folks for state and local level positions, but only if I can find valid reasons for supporting them. Often if it is a local candidate, I will make the effort to meet that person at a political rally or by showing up at their campaign offices (if they even have one, many do not). I find that I'm usually pretty good at 'reading' people I meet in person and can get a better feel for the candidate if I can actually meet the person.

And no... I'm not talking about mind reading or anything of the sort... more like I've studied human behavior and am very good at telling when a person isn't being honest with me (people say a lot more with their bodies/faces than they often do with their mouths).

A lot of people I know are far too jaded by politics to pay much attention to it anymore. To some degree I'm a bit jaded about it too, but I really try to stay realistic about my expectations. If I find that a politician and I hold the same (or very similar) positions on anything, I'm pleased. If I can find a politician I agree with more often than I disagree with, that's a freakin' miracle. A politician that I agree with all the time? Doesn't exist... because I'm not running for office.

I admit... I think I would actually make a decent politician of some sort, but I can't run for office... I was... reckless in my youth, to put it mildly.
 
2012-09-13 04:05:03 PM  
If the 7-Eleven coffee cup poll is any indication where this election is headed...

i46.tinypic.com 

It's refreshing to see TX as blue.
 
2012-09-13 04:12:17 PM  

Gotfire: It's refreshing to see TX as blue.


I have caught wind of the idea that Romney might be just unlikable enough to turn Texas blue again. I wouldn't bank on that prediction, but I can see some merit in the idea.
 
2012-09-13 04:13:26 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-13 04:13:29 PM  
I was born in Connecticut and lived there until I was 5 years old. I've lived in Texas for 33 years. Does that mean Connecticut is considered my home state?

I hope it is.
 
2012-09-13 04:14:36 PM  

Gotfire: If the 7-Eleven coffee cup poll is any indication where this election is headed...

[i46.tinypic.com image 850x718] 

It's refreshing to see TX as blue.


Obama's gonna win Utah!
 
2012-09-13 04:15:47 PM  

uh_clem: ps69: Mitt personally, and the GOP as a whole by opposition to the auto bailout, sacrificed the state for a generation. They will not carry Michigan until at least the 2030s. The GOP may cease to exist before Michigan goes republican again.

So true.

That is, if you don't count the current Republican Governor.
Or the current Republican controlled state House.
Or the current Republican controlled state Senate.
Or the Republican controlled state Supreme Court.
Or the Republican Secretary of State.
Or the Republican Attorney General.

Aside from those, the state is completely blue.

(That said, Mitt moved away and his dad's governorship ended so long ago that most Michganders don't remember it.)



Michigan very much separates their local affairs from those at the national level. But through history we voted more for the "northern" President (I say it like that because back in the day Democrats where the southern party and Republicans were the northern). Noted exceptions would be Ford, because unlike MIttens, Michigan really was Fords home state, and Nixon and Regan because everyone voted for them.
 
2012-09-13 04:18:37 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Gotfire: If the 7-Eleven coffee cup poll is any indication where this election is headed...

[i46.tinypic.com image 850x718] 

It's refreshing to see TX as blue.

Obama's gonna win Utah!



At the risk of a ThatsTheJoke.jpg, a coffee cup poll might not be the most accurate way to gauge the electoral mood in Utah.
 
2012-09-13 04:21:53 PM  
AnyOne else thinking about what republican operatives are thinking? " how the fark are we gonna convince people that Romney won the election if the polls are so bad? How are gonna sell it? Fark. Gonna have to make it look legitimate. Can't be a landslide. That'll raise too many flags. 51/49 split. Yeah. Real close like. "
 
2012-09-13 04:22:09 PM  

Lando Lincoln: I TAKE IT BACK, YOU STUPID MICHIGANDERS! YOUR TREES ARE WAY TOO SHORT! SO THERE!


You owe my employer a new keyboard!
 
2012-09-13 04:23:09 PM  

coeyagi: propasaurus: dericwater: propasaurus: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

All 3 if you count his home in California.

Well, he will win Utah, where he lived from 1999 to 2002.

I thought he lived in his son's basement in Boston?

CA, UT, MI, MA. Missing any?


Mexico. Cayman. Alps.
 
2012-09-13 04:24:08 PM  

NuttierThanEver: Aidan: JohnnyC: Excellent!

/from Michigan and voting for Obama.

My husband looked over my shoulder last night and asked me why I had you highlighted. I said "He's from Michigan. Graphic designer. It's cool."

My husband said "Okay... So?"

Me, "He votes Democrat. Can you believe it?"

Him, "Holy shiat. Yeah, I get it."

We sometimes feel a little... under pressure around here. :)

Amen, living in rural SE Michigan sometimes makes me feel like I am living in TeaPartyLand where up is down and black is wrong, always


Try being atheist, voting D, and living in West MI
 
2012-09-13 04:26:41 PM  

Gotfire: If the 7-Eleven coffee cup poll is any indication where this election is headed...

[i46.tinypic.com image 850x718] 

It's refreshing to see TX as blue.


Holy sh*t, he's winning the state of Sam Brownback. That's.... pretty awesome.
 
2012-09-13 04:30:33 PM  

Zafler: theorellior: Zafler: As a former Michigander, I'm glad to see that idiotic change to "Michiganian" still hasn't caught on.

Didn't they vote on that in like 1980 or something? I was a kid in Toledo and remember when it was on the ballot.

I don't think so. About all I recall is that John Engler made the push to use "Michiganian" while he was governor, far more than the previous one did. Most people ignored him. I was born in '80 so I could be wrong.


So what do Michigan women call themselves? Michigeese?

/snark
 
2012-09-13 04:33:54 PM  

Gotfire: If the 7-Eleven coffee cup poll is any indication where this election is headed...

[i46.tinypic.com image 850x718] 

It's refreshing to see TX as blue.


Rich people don't go to 7-11.
 
2012-09-13 04:36:53 PM  

Mega Steve: I think the smirk may have cost Romney more


I'm ashamed to admit I get most of my information from here and other areas of the internets, I'm curious if "The Smirk" is getting as much attention in other areas of the media, like the prime time news?

//The Smirk really pissed me off...
 
2012-09-13 04:39:26 PM  

JohnnyC: Aidan: Yeah, that's just it. You can be independent (for serious) and then you see who's on the ticket and you go "Um... I'm gonna vote for sane this time around..."

Not saying it's like that all the time. In fact I had high hopes for Snyder, and there just has to be decent Republicans in regional politics somewhere. Whatever the reasoning is, Michigan Democrats seem to spout off less idiocy, on average. Either that, or I'm just annoyed at living in a very conservative area. :)

I did not have high hopes for Snyder. After investigating him (as much as anyone with an internet connection can investigate a politician), I was sure he wasn't the right guy for the job. I was a little sad to see him win the election. Even more sad when the Republicans in the state instituted that stupid "emergency manager" nonsense.

Generally I think I can sum up my impressions of the parties like this:

Democratic: Generally mean well and aren't too pushy. Reality based. Needs to be more proactive.
Republican: Serve themselves and no one else. Theology based. Needs to keep their religion out of their politics entirely.
Green: Have gotten kind of kooky and are ineffectual. "Pie in the Sky" based. Doesn't seem to know how to run a campaign or political party... isn't viable. Causes more harm than good (see 2000 election).
Tea Party: Farking nuts... all of them. They're essentially Republicans who completely lost their minds after Obama was elected. A dangerous lot.

There are plenty of other little political parties that show up on the ballots, but their party affiliation often means little. I consider those folks for state and local level positions, but only if I can find valid reasons for supporting them. Often if it is a local candidate, I will make the effort to meet that person at a political rally or by showing up at their campaign offices (if they even have one, many do not). I find that I'm usually pretty good at 'reading' people I meet in person and can get a better feel for the ...


My way of looking at the parties (mostly agree with yours, but this is how I see them):

Democratic: Willing to spending on government programs despite risk of waste and inefficiency. Believe that oversight solves the efficiency problem, but have never really been good at the whole oversight thing.

Republican: Not willing to spend on government programs, particularly on the federal level, as they are the cause of waste and inefficiency. Believe that the only efficient government is a small one. Except for defense. Lots of defense spending, even if it's wasteful.

Green: Believe in lots of regulation, but not clear how those regulations are enforced, or how they're paid for. Not clear that they care about efficiency.

Tea Party: Farking nuts... all of them. To a tea-partier, the only solution to government is no government. Inefficiencies in programs and agencies are solved by eliminating them, and replacing them with nothing.
 
2012-09-13 04:39:50 PM  

theteacher: coeyagi: propasaurus: dericwater: propasaurus: ginandbacon: This is shaping up to be the first ticket that loses both home states.

All 3 if you count his home in California.

Well, he will win Utah, where he lived from 1999 to 2002.

I thought he lived in his son's basement in Boston?

CA, UT, MI, MA. Missing any?

Mexico. Cayman. Alps.


img94.imageshack.us
 
2012-09-13 04:41:24 PM  

Gotfire: I was born in Connecticut and lived there until I was 5 years old. I've lived in Texas for 33 years. Does that mean Connecticut is considered my home state?

I hope it is.


Are you George farking Bush?
 
2012-09-13 04:46:19 PM  

HeartBurnKid: So what do Michigan women call themselves? Michigeese?


Whores.
 
2012-09-13 04:56:51 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Zafler: theorellior: Zafler: As a former Michigander, I'm glad to see that idiotic change to "Michiganian" still hasn't caught on.

Didn't they vote on that in like 1980 or something? I was a kid in Toledo and remember when it was on the ballot.

I don't think so. About all I recall is that John Engler made the push to use "Michiganian" while he was governor, far more than the previous one did. Most people ignored him. I was born in '80 so I could be wrong.

So what do Michigan women call themselves? Michigeese?

/snark


Hey, pal. What's SAUCE for the Michigeese is SAUCE for the Michigander. Or so I've heard.
 
2012-09-13 04:57:14 PM  

Cuthbert Allgood: Mega Steve: I think the smirk may have cost Romney more

I'm ashamed to admit I get most of my information from here and other areas of the internets, I'm curious if "The Smirk" is getting as much attention in other areas of the media, like the prime time news?

//The Smirk really pissed me off...


I'm going to my parent's house tonight. If my mother mentions it, then yeah, I'd say that it's impacted on the not-internet-savvy of America.
 
2012-09-13 05:02:15 PM  

Im_Gumby: Try being atheist, voting D, and living in West MI


Haha... yeah... There is that too... the look on some people's faces when they ask where you go to church and your reply is, "I'm not religious". I try to keep it to myself unless directly confronted about it... I know it makes Christians uncomfortable to know that someone in their midst doesn't believe what they do. I just wish they had the same respect for other folks. Although, in their mind, everyone they look at is probably a Christian unless they have some other reason they discriminate against them.

Sasquatchuan: Democratic: Willing to spending on government programs despite risk of waste and inefficiency. Believe that oversight solves the efficiency problem, but have never really been good at the whole oversight thing.

Republican: Not willing to spend on government programs, particularly on the federal level, as they are the cause of waste and inefficiency. Believe that the only efficient government is a small one. Except for defense. Lots of defense spending, even if it's wasteful.


Hmm... when you're talking about spending, are you talking about actual spending or just the public face? When I look at deficit spending (defense or domestic), the biggest jumps in recent history were under Reagan, Bush Sr., and Bush Jr. Especially Reagan. Democrats seem willing to spend on government too, but the difference seems to be that Democrats are willing to pay for it with taxes and Republicans seem to think they can spend and not pay for it at all (or leave it for someone else to pay later).

Republicans (in action not in rhetoric), have tended to spend every bit as much if not more than Democrats, but they like to play up the public image that they don't. "No... that's not MY hand in the cookie jar, you must be imagining things"... sadly, Republican supporters seem to buy that story.
 
2012-09-13 05:25:02 PM  
i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-09-13 05:25:25 PM  

JohnnyC: I have caught wind of the idea that Romney might be just unlikable enough to turn Texas blue again. I wouldn't bank on that prediction, but I can see some merit in the idea.


Texas's demographics are moving in the Democrats' favor, but I don't think it will become competitive for a few years, at least.
 
2012-09-13 05:32:16 PM  

Im_Gumby: Try being atheist, voting D, and living in West MI


You poor bastard. I think I'd go nuts where you are.
 
2012-09-13 05:33:13 PM  
Damn, another Liberal Conspiracy uncovered by WND.

WE CAN'T GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING ANYMORE!
 
2012-09-13 05:33:45 PM  

bill4935: "RELEASE BWIAN!"



No kidding!!!

Cheers.
 
2012-09-13 05:33:57 PM  

Epoch_Zero: Damn, another Liberal Conspiracy uncovered by WND.

WE CAN'T GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING ANYMORE!


TABBED BROWSING IS A LIBERAL CONSPIRACY TO CAUSE MISPOSTS.
 
2012-09-13 05:38:35 PM  

Weaver95: lemurs: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

Since an attack by foreigners in a foreign country is a good opportunity for the president to say and do a lot of presidential things, and that Romney's smirking political opportunism was a major fumble by most accounts, I think it's likely the numbers will move further in Obama's direction so long as there's some persuadable voters left.

y'know...I've been pondering WHY Romney stuck his nose into that situation. smart money wouldn't have gotten involved in that mess. it's a lose/lose situation to try and turn that sort of thing into a political football. the only thing I can figure is that Romney is following the standard issue GOP playbook, which says (loosely translated from the Dark Speech of Rovian) that Obama *cannot* be permitted to be seen as being effective at his job under any circumstances. if that theory is true, then Romney simply had no choice: he *had* to attack Obama's handling of the embassy attack. to do otherwise would permit the perception that Obama was in some way good at doing his job. the fact that Romney ended up looking like weapons grade asshole material was irrelevant. the point is to hammer home the idea that Obama is incompetent.


It's actually very simple. Recognize the guy on the left? That's right, John Bolton is Romney's foreign policy adviser. Romney knows nothing about foreign policy, so Bolton is feeding him his typical hawkish, take no prisoners brand of foreign policy dribble.

encrypted-tbn0.google.com
 
2012-09-13 05:44:11 PM  

theteacher: Are you George farking Bush?


That is uncalled for sir.
 
2012-09-13 05:44:35 PM  
Im_gumby
My son, a senior at GVSU, feels ya. Support group here - http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/
 
2012-09-13 06:02:21 PM  

Seabon: Weaver95: lemurs: Rincewind53: I'm ignoring any poll conducted before these embassy demonstrations. They have the potential to cause some change, so until that potential is proved or disproved, I'm skeptical.

Since an attack by foreigners in a foreign country is a good opportunity for the president to say and do a lot of presidential things, and that Romney's smirking political opportunism was a major fumble by most accounts, I think it's likely the numbers will move further in Obama's direction so long as there's some persuadable voters left.

y'know...I've been pondering WHY Romney stuck his nose into that situation. smart money wouldn't have gotten involved in that mess. it's a lose/lose situation to try and turn that sort of thing into a political football. the only thing I can figure is that Romney is following the standard issue GOP playbook, which says (loosely translated from the Dark Speech of Rovian) that Obama *cannot* be permitted to be seen as being effective at his job under any circumstances. if that theory is true, then Romney simply had no choice: he *had* to attack Obama's handling of the embassy attack. to do otherwise would permit the perception that Obama was in some way good at doing his job. the fact that Romney ended up looking like weapons grade asshole material was irrelevant. the point is to hammer home the idea that Obama is incompetent.

It's actually very simple. Recognize the guy on the left? That's right, John Bolton is Romney's foreign policy adviser. Romney knows nothing about foreign policy, so Bolton is feeding him his typical hawkish, take no prisoners brand of foreign policy dribble.

[encrypted-tbn0.google.com image 259x195]


Bolten has the most punchable face in the world.
 
2012-09-13 06:03:34 PM  

Seabon: It's actually very simple. Recognize the guy on the left? That's right, John Bolton is Romney's foreign policy adviser. Romney knows nothing about foreign policy, so Bolton is feeding him his typical hawkish, take no prisoners brand of foreign policy dribble.


Let's just think about that for a minute.

Mitt Romney thinks that John Bolton is a good person to get advice from in regards to foreign policy matters.

John Farking Bolton.

This alone is plenty of reason not to vote for Mitt Romney. He obviously sucks at picking advisors.
 
2012-09-13 06:03:43 PM  

shastacola: torr5962: These polls are bullshiat. Who answers a landline anymore?

Does the poll say it used only landlines? I don't think polls do that anymore.


They must. I'm in a swing state and was getting polled every other day there for a while, but only on our landline. No one in our household has gotten a single poll on a cell phone.

\Only half our friends even have landlines, but they all vote, so who knows what that's doing for their numbers.
 
2012-09-13 06:05:11 PM  

Carn: I mean we might as well throw in Mass. too.

"Look at my state, I was awesome!"
'They don't seem to think so.'


Real Americans hate Taxachusetts anyway.
 
2012-09-13 06:13:02 PM  

Weigard: He was starting to get pressure to show strength in foreign policy, and I guess cracked under it and jumped the gun.


His campaign has been convinced that they can score points by criticizing the Arab Spring for months. Not sure why, just some theory they have
 
2012-09-13 06:15:02 PM  

Lando Lincoln: I'm going to my parent's house tonight. If my mother mentions it, then yeah, I'd say that it's impacted on the not-internet-savvy of America.


Keep us updated on what you find out.... I'm curious
 
2012-09-13 06:17:38 PM  

sigdiamond2000: How is he polling on Planet Kolob?


They want to see his tax returns. Rumor has it he's been short changing them on the tithing front.
 
2012-09-13 06:29:28 PM  

JohnnyC: Gotfire: It's refreshing to see TX as blue.

I have caught wind of the idea that Romney might be just unlikable enough to turn Texas blue again. I wouldn't bank on that prediction, but I can see some merit in the idea.


This Texan hates him. But I'm hardly representative.
 
2012-09-13 06:34:42 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: [img688.imageshack.us image 362x265]

And this is BEFORE debates...


Where's this from? It looks exactly like Nate Silver's projections, but he's got 80/20-ish.
 
2012-09-13 06:37:42 PM  

Walker: Hmmmmmm why would he be losing in Michigan after he said GM should be left to die and then once saved it was thanks to him?


Hey... GM still owes the US taxpayer 20 billion. GM looses $89,000 on every volt sold and Obama endorsed. That company deserves to die. Obama is a failure and he will go down in history as one.
 
2012-09-13 06:38:19 PM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: [img688.imageshack.us image 362x265]

And this is BEFORE debates...

Where's this from? It looks exactly like Nate Silver's projections, but he's got 80/20-ish.


Can't see the image (work blocks Imageshack), but if it's showing 91.6% chance for Obama, it's probably Nate's "Now-cast" (i.e. the "if the election were held today" prediction).
 
2012-09-13 06:38:44 PM  

TIKIMAN87: Walker: Hmmmmmm why would he be losing in Michigan after he said GM should be left to die and then once saved it was thanks to him?

Hey... GM still owes the US taxpayer 20 billion. GM looses $89,000 on every volt sold and Obama endorsed. That company deserves to die. Obama is a failure and he will go down in history as one.


You gonna drive by leave a turd in every thread?
 
2012-09-13 06:45:04 PM  

cubic_spleen: Hey Willard: See how Michigan is shaped like a hand mïtt? That hand mitt is going to biatch-slap your carpet-bagging ass all the way back to whatever Yuppie egg sack you call home.


FTFY
 
2012-09-13 06:54:32 PM  

HeartBurnKid: RickyWilliams'sBong: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: [img688.imageshack.us image 362x265]

And this is BEFORE debates...

Where's this from? It looks exactly like Nate Silver's projections, but he's got 80/20-ish.

Can't see the image (work blocks Imageshack), but if it's showing 91.6% chance for Obama, it's probably Nate's "Now-cast" (i.e. the "if the election were held today" prediction).


Ah, you're right. Thanks. Completely forgot about the Nowcast projection.
 
2012-09-13 07:03:56 PM  

Gotfire: If the 7-Eleven coffee cup poll is any indication where this election is headed...

[i46.tinypic.com image 850x718] 

It's refreshing to see TX as blue.


I don't know if the same states were excluded/opted-out, but a quick search shows that 2008 and 2004's results mirrored the popular vote.
 
2012-09-13 07:10:03 PM  

Renart: JohnnyC: I have caught wind of the idea that Romney might be just unlikable enough to turn Texas blue again. I wouldn't bank on that prediction, but I can see some merit in the idea.

Texas's demographics are moving in the Democrats' favor, but I don't think it will become competitive for a few years, at least.


One encouraging event - the courts tossed Texas' voter-suppression law.
 
2012-09-13 07:14:06 PM  

TIKIMAN87: Walker: Hmmmmmm why would he be losing in Michigan after he said GM should be left to die and then once saved it was thanks to him?

Hey... GM still owes the US taxpayer 20 billion. GM looses $89,000 on every volt sold and Obama endorsed. That company deserves to die. Obama is a failure and he will go down in history as one.


About your claim, industry sources claim that they are losing $49000 which GM disputes, Even thought they are losing money right now maybe they are playing the long game getting in at the begining of electric car sales so that people think of them as "the electric car", Honda, Ford and some others are soon going to introduce electric cars. If everyone is going into production of electric cars, either everyone is wrong or GM is ahead of the curve. I guess some people just want to follow the pack and never be the leader in technology.

By the way GM is still selling gasoline powered vehicles.

Oh and here is GM's response Link
 
2012-09-13 07:19:17 PM  

jso2897: One encouraging event - the courts tossed Texas' voter-suppression law.


Well that's good! It's a start.

Though I've thought the whole voter suppression tactic by the Republicans was a sure sign of weakness from the start.
 
2012-09-13 07:23:03 PM  

JohnnyC: jso2897: One encouraging event - the courts tossed Texas' voter-suppression law.

Well that's good! It's a start.

Though I've thought the whole voter suppression tactic by the Republicans was a sure sign of weakness from the start.


Well, they are stupid - they think that somehow they can re-fight the sixties and win this time.
 
2012-09-13 07:23:48 PM  

spongeboob: About your claim


Sadly I doubt you're going to be enlightening that particular guy. In fact, I'm pretty sure that guy isn't thinking. He seems to be relying entirely upon motivated reasoning. Anyone supporting Romney at this point has to... if they didn't they wouldn't be able to continue supporting him.
 
2012-09-13 07:35:01 PM  

vernonFL: I think Romney went a little overboard when building his house in the DC suburbs.

I mean, I know he has a big family, but this is too much.


Surrender Dorothy
 
2012-09-13 07:54:36 PM  

TIKIMAN87: Walker: Hmmmmmm why would he be losing in Michigan after he said GM should be left to die and then once saved it was thanks to him?

Hey... GM still owes the UkS taxpayer 20 billion. GM looses $89,000 on every volt sold and Obama endorsed. That company deserves to die. Obama is a failure and he will go down in history as one.

a ,.l
4 out of 10

The mispelling/misuse of the word "loosing" was a nice touch and does an effective job reflecting the penning of a derper, so I awarded you some points for that. However it still felt rushed and could definitely could use some polish. 

On the retarded scale you're definitely in a wheelchair, but not retarded enough for seatbelt and headrest level
 
2012-09-13 08:01:18 PM  

Gotfire: I was born in Connecticut and lived there until I was 5 years old. I've lived in Texas for 33 years. Does that mean Connecticut is considered my home state?

I hope it is.



Not according to the well known Texan Georgie boy.
 
2012-09-13 08:06:25 PM  

JohnnyC: Gotfire: It's refreshing to see TX as blue.

I have caught wind of the idea that Romney might be just unlikable enough to turn Texas blue again. I wouldn't bank on that prediction, but I can see some merit in the idea.


In 2008, Obama lost Texas by only ~950,000 votes. Texas cities are growing fast and the people moving here are younger city people, more likely to be Democrats.

The projected population in 2016 an increase of more than 4 million from 2008. If half if them vote and 60% of them vote democrat, it's essentially a tie. Texas will be a swing state in 2016.

Also, ~25% of the population of Texas is Hispanic but the percentage of them that vote is fairly low. Someone wakes them up and gets them into the voting both then Texas is blue for sure.
 
2012-09-13 08:18:10 PM  
The voter suppression laws are a sign of Republican desperation. They lose this election and it will be a long time until there's a republican president unless the party fundamentally changes. The people who buy what they're currently selling are dying off, there will be even fewer of them in 2016. They're not going to draw in yonger voters with their current "give money to the rich/ban birth control/hate the gays" emphasis.

The economy is improving, it will only be better in 2016. Everyone will be feeling and liking the benefits of the affordable care act, wanting to repeal it will be political suicide. What will the Republicans have to offer?

They're going to be sorry they called it Obamacare.
 
2012-09-13 08:28:19 PM  

Phins: Also, ~25% of the population of Texas is Hispanic but the percentage of them that vote is fairly low. Someone wakes them up and gets them into the voting both then Texas is blue for sure.


The cities that can turn blue, are already blue (or sliding back purple like Austin). Its a nice dream, but dont hold yer breath. The strangle hold that the GoP has on Texas due to redistricting is pretty iron clad, will be for decades.
 
2012-09-13 08:47:58 PM  

Phins: ... They're going to be sorry they called it Obamacare.


Once all parts of OBAMACARE take place people will realize it isn't going to kill America. They will like what it does for them, their family, and their community. The polls will show it becoming more and more favorable. At that point I am willing to bet that the GOP will spend over $1 billion trying to re-brand it as "Republicare," or some such nonsense.

/OBAMACARE
//Thanks, GOP. We'll never forget who owns it now.
///OBAMACARE
 
2012-09-13 09:48:05 PM  

Lando Lincoln:

Mitt Romney thinks that John Bolton is a good person to get advice from in regards to foreign policy matters.


I just needed to repeat that sentence in order to help myself believe it. How? How can anyone at all think that that useless lump of shiat is any good for anything? I just dont get it.
 
2012-09-14 12:52:29 AM  

Cuthbert Allgood: Lando Lincoln: I'm going to my parent's house tonight. If my mother mentions it, then yeah, I'd say that it's impacted on the not-internet-savvy of America.

Keep us updated on what you find out.... I'm curious


Nope. She did not mention it. So I don't think it has impacted on the non-internet people.
 
2012-09-14 01:08:45 AM  

Guntram Shatterhand: You think that's awesome, check out Stabenow's numbers. Obama's doing so well that now Debbie has a ten point lead on Hokestra. Romney is sucking so hard we might see appreciable gains in Congressional seats simply from Republicans giving up in disgust.


Good. Hoekstra's the kind of pimple that you want as far from sensitive information and power as you can possibly get. An addle-pated little sneer of a man born so aware of his failings as a full-fledged human being that he claws and scrabbles for every discarded bit of glory that he can find, following jackdaw like along behind these things he has to assume are men.
 
2012-09-14 01:33:13 AM  

Lando Lincoln: Cuthbert Allgood: Lando Lincoln: I'm going to my parent's house tonight. If my mother mentions it, then yeah, I'd say that it's impacted on the not-internet-savvy of America.

Keep us updated on what you find out.... I'm curious

Nope. She did not mention it. So I don't think it has impacted on the non-internet people.


Thanks for updating. Did you point it out to her?
 
2012-09-14 02:30:46 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Zafler: theorellior: Zafler: As a former Michigander, I'm glad to see that idiotic change to "Michiganian" still hasn't caught on.
Did't they vote on that in like 1980 or something? I was a kid in Toledo and remember when it was on the ballot.

I don't think so. About all I recall is that John Engler made the push to use "Michiganian" while he was governor, far more than the previous one did. Most people ignored him. I was born in '80 so I could be wrong.

So what do Michigan women call themselves? Michigeese?

/snark


I left in 1983 and it was still Michigander back then. Engler was after my time.
 
2012-09-14 12:19:28 PM  

brianbankerus: coeyagi: brianbankerus: shastacola: torr5962: These polls are bullshiat. Who answers a landline anymore?

Does the poll say it used only landlines? I don't think polls do that anymore.

Some polls exclusively use landlines. Cell phones are under-represented in polling.

Just asking the question - don't at least some pollsters account for that by adjusting their polling data? I would think at least some do, but does anyone know?

Cell Phone users under-polled, could spell problems for Romney.


From the link you provided:"If you use a cell phone, you most likely are a Barack Obama supporter. A land line user? You probably support Mitt Romney. "
I read that as a "land Mine User."
 
2012-09-16 08:38:08 PM  

CptnSpldng: brianbankerus: coeyagi: brianbankerus: shastacola: torr5962: These polls are bullshiat. Who answers a landline anymore?

Does the poll say it used only landlines? I don't think polls do that anymore.

Some polls exclusively use landlines. Cell phones are under-represented in polling.

Just asking the question - don't at least some pollsters account for that by adjusting their polling data? I would think at least some do, but does anyone know?

Cell Phone users under-polled, could spell problems for Romney.

From the link you provided:"If you use a cell phone, you most likely are a Barack Obama supporter. A land line user? You probably support Mitt Romney. "
I read that as a "land Mine User."


No. Land mine users are mostly for Ron Paul.
 
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