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(Yahoo)   Asked about the attacks in Libya, Sen McCain stays classy, gives Mitt Romney a master's class in what he SHOULD have said if he'd wanted to be president   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 269
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2012-09-13 11:41:25 AM
Looks like John stole back his soul that he sold to the GOP four years ago.
 
2012-09-13 11:42:23 AM
McCain did come off as quite Presidential. I'd say that I'd hope Romney was taking notes but it won't matter.
 
2012-09-13 11:47:49 AM
Did he happen to mention what he saw in Mitt's tax returns?
 
2012-09-13 11:47:58 AM
"I have a plan to bring those people who attacked the embassy to justice, but I won't tell you unless I'm elected president"
 
2012-09-13 11:49:02 AM
I honestly don't blame Romney for his statement. That was completely the work of his staff. They know the campaign is sliding into utter failure levels and they needed at boost. They pulled the political trigger too early without knowing the facts. This has all the hallmarks of a staff farkup.
 
2012-09-13 11:52:53 AM

WTF Indeed: I honestly don't blame Romney for his statement. That was completely the work of his staff. They know the campaign is sliding into utter failure levels and they needed at boost. They pulled the political trigger too early without knowing the facts. This has all the hallmarks of a staff farkup.


So you are basically saying that Romney is so politically inept, so diplomatically incompetent, that when given a script to read that is so blatantly wrong and in such bad taste, he would be unable to question it?
 
2012-09-13 11:57:00 AM

WTF Indeed: I honestly don't blame Romney for his statement. That was completely the work of his staff. They know the campaign is sliding into utter failure levels and they needed at boost. They pulled the political trigger too early without knowing the facts. This has all the hallmarks of a staff farkup.


Makes it worse , not better, IMHO. The President has two essential functions: 1) making critical decisions that only he can make 2) appointing good, competent people to run the executive branch of government (and the judiciary). Good leaders understand that the old naval tradition that the captian is responsible for anything that happens to his ship, no matter who was at the helm at the time. It may not be FAIR but it is true, when you are in charge, one of you core comptencies has to be knowing who you can trust to handle delgated authority and who you can't
 
2012-09-13 11:57:41 AM

Dinki: WTF Indeed: I honestly don't blame Romney for his statement. That was completely the work of his staff. They know the campaign is sliding into utter failure levels and they needed at boost. They pulled the political trigger too early without knowing the facts. This has all the hallmarks of a staff farkup.

So you are basically saying that Romney is so politically inept, so diplomatically incompetent, that when given a script to read that is so blatantly wrong and in such bad taste, he would be unable to question it?


Ron Burgandy for President?
 
2012-09-13 11:58:45 AM

WTF Indeed: I honestly don't blame Romney for his statement. That was completely the work of his staff. They know the campaign is sliding into utter failure levels and they needed at boost. They pulled the political trigger too early without knowing the facts. This has all the hallmarks of a staff farkup.


And they made up his smirk too?
 
2012-09-13 11:59:27 AM

bluorangefyre: Looks like John stole back his soul that he sold to the GOP four years ago.


I always thought he earned a bit back with his concession speech.
 
2012-09-13 12:01:38 PM

Magorn: Ron Burgandy for President?


Yes. He's kind of a big deal. People know him. He has high-level meetings with foreign ambassadors like Tits McGee. He gets phone calls from Merlin Olsen. He has many leather-bound books and the oval office will smell like rich mahogany.

I don't like John McCain. He foisted Sarah Palin upon the world and he will not be forgiven for that. But at least he didn't approach running for presidency as though he was entitled to the office.
 
2012-09-13 12:01:56 PM
Because McCain is an expert on knowing what to say to become president?
 
2012-09-13 12:02:57 PM
The thing is we can go back and forth between liking and disliking McCain, because he's not entirely good or entirely bad. He is... human. We can't say the same for Romney.
 
2012-09-13 12:03:28 PM

utsagrad123: Because McCain is an expert on knowing what to say to become president?


No, Romney is the expert on that. McCain occasionally says things he actually believes.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-13 12:03:34 PM
Attacking the commander in chief during a military crisis isn't a very bright move.

I think Mittens is too arrogant to listen to his advisors, and too inexperienced to know better. I can't imagine what else it would be. Any competent handler would have stopped him from pulling a boner like that, if they could.
 
2012-09-13 12:07:29 PM
I don't even know about the smirk. I don't think he was smiling because he was happy to have something to pound Obama with. I'm sure he wasn't smiling because Americans were dead. It could have been some attempt at warmth and sympathy but he just cannot pull it off.

But it doesn't matter. As president, you CAN NOT show that kind of display when delivering bad news or reacting to tragedy. Even Dubya, whose face seemed to almost be in a constant smirk, could manage to pull it back when bad shiat was going on.

And that guy was an asshole!
 
2012-09-13 12:10:11 PM

vpb: Attacking the commander in chief during a military crisis isn't a very bright move.

Any competent handler would have stopped him from pulling a boner like that, if they could.


When you are the kind of person that would willingly pose for a picture in a suit stuffed with money, you can't be handled. You lack the perspective that would stop you from doing bullshiat like this.
 
2012-09-13 12:13:52 PM

vartian: bluorangefyre: Looks like John stole back his soul that he sold to the GOP four years ago.

I always thought he earned a bit back with his concession speech.


Romney has given his concession speech already?

Oh wait. Sorry. You were talking about McCain. Carry on.
 
2012-09-13 12:17:42 PM

Dinki: So you are basically saying that Romney is so politically inept, so diplomatically incompetent, that when given a script to read that is so blatantly wrong and in such bad taste, he would be unable to question it?


No, I'm saying that this man has spent the last 7 years running for President, and now that he has the nomination he wakes up every morning to see his goal slipping further and further away. So when some staffer comes in to the room and says, "Hey we should make this statement, because it will give us an edge." he's not about to say no to it.

hubiestubert: And they made up his smirk too?


Nah, that's just him being a twit.
 
2012-09-13 12:17:58 PM

WTF Indeed: I honestly don't blame Romney for his statement. That was completely the work of his staff. They know the campaign is sliding into utter failure levels and they needed at boost. They pulled the political trigger too early without knowing the facts. This has all the hallmarks of a staff farkup.


Well, the republicans are holding Obama responsible for the "apology" his appointees said half way around the world so....
 
2012-09-13 12:21:40 PM

WTF Indeed: I honestly don't blame Romney for his statement. That was completely the work of his staff.


I mean, they ARE the ones who put in the program codes, right?
 
2012-09-13 12:22:24 PM

Magorn: WTF Indeed: I honestly don't blame Romney for his statement. That was completely the work of his staff. They know the campaign is sliding into utter failure levels and they needed at boost. They pulled the political trigger too early without knowing the facts. This has all the hallmarks of a staff farkup.

Makes it worse , not better, IMHO. The President has two essential functions: 1) making critical decisions that only he can make 2) appointing good, competent people to run the executive branch of government (and the judiciary). Good leaders understand that the old naval tradition that the captian is responsible for anything that happens to his ship, no matter who was at the helm at the time. It may not be FAIR but it is true, when you are in charge, one of you core comptencies has to be knowing who you can trust to handle delgated authority and who you can't


Mitt Romney is the Capt. Francesco Schettino of presidential candidates.
 
2012-09-13 12:22:57 PM

vpb: Attacking the commander in chief during a military crisis isn't a very bright move.


All Romney had to say was "We condemn this attack on our nation's sovereignty and our prayers are with our citizens and their families."

If, IF he wanted to be political, he could have just said something like "Despite the administration's efforts in the region, it is clear that there are still radical elements that have not been properly dealt with. A Romney administration would exert maximum force to stamp out extremism in the Middle East."
 
2012-09-13 12:28:54 PM

WTF Indeed: Dinki: So you are basically saying that Romney is so politically inept, so diplomatically incompetent, that when given a script to read that is so blatantly wrong and in such bad taste, he would be unable to question it?

No, I'm saying that this man has spent the last 7 years running for President, and now that he has the nomination he wakes up every morning to see his goal slipping further and further away. So when some staffer comes in to the room and says, "Hey we should make this statement, because it will give us an edge." he's not about to say no to it.

hubiestubert: And they made up his smirk too?

Nah, that's just him being a twit.


Now I'm picturing Romney in the "Upperclass Twit Of The Year" competition. He's doing quite well, or poorly depending on how one should do in such an event.
 
2012-09-13 12:32:55 PM

WTF Indeed: So when some staffer comes in to the room and says, "Hey we should make this statement, because it will give us an edge." he's not about to say no to it.


But then you get back to judgement. Just because your adviser says you should do something doesn't make it the right decision. We elect a president to make those decisions, not to blindly follow his staff. We had that with Bush and look where it got us.
 
2012-09-13 12:35:22 PM

Dinki: WTF Indeed: So when some staffer comes in to the room and says, "Hey we should make this statement, because it will give us an edge." he's not about to say no to it.

But then you get back to judgement. Just because your adviser says you should do something doesn't make it the right decision. We elect a president to make those decisions, not to blindly follow his staff. We had that with Bush and look where it got us.


And just what would have happened to Bush if he ignored Cheney? You saw what Cheney did to someone who was just standing there, minding his own business.
 
2012-09-13 12:37:44 PM
McCain has always been a class act, and is a first rate American hero. If he had run this time instead of last, he would have been a shoo-in.

...well, he'd have to pick a different veep too.
 
2012-09-13 12:42:29 PM

Nofun: McCain has always been a class act, and is a first rate American hero. If he had run this time instead of last, he would have been a shoo-in.

...well, he'd have to pick a different veep too.


Had he picked a real veep last time he had a chance.
 
2012-09-13 12:46:17 PM

WTF Indeed: I honestly don't blame Romney for his statement. That was completely the work of his staff. They know the campaign is sliding into utter failure levels and they needed at boost. They pulled the political trigger too early without knowing the facts. This has all the hallmarks of a staff farkup.


Romney isn't exactly the type that follows his staff's suggestions. Remember Paul Ryan? Romney was the only one who wanted Ryan as VP. His staff thought it was a terrible idea. Ryan got picked anyway.
 
2012-09-13 01:04:58 PM

unlikely: Nofun: McCain has always been a class act, and is a first rate American hero. If he had run this time instead of last, he would have been a shoo-in.

...well, he'd have to pick a different veep too.

Had he picked a real veep last time he had a chance.


I was undecided until he picked Palin. It was so obvious that the GOP had taken the Hillaryis44 crowd seriously and making McCain pander to them. If you can't recognize terrible advice, and still stick with the crazy biatch after you see what she's doing to the GOP base, I don't want you anywhere near the White House.

Romney's doing something very similar. He saw a chance to score cheap political points among the crazed, rabid base and ran with it. During an impending national crisis, you want to appear as a unified front to the world, not a political hack who craves the adulation of a mob.
 
2012-09-13 01:11:56 PM
Good on McCain. This is why I liked him back in 2000. Looks like he's getting his marbles back.

impaler: Did he happen to mention what he saw in Mitt's tax returns?


If the skeleton-in-the-closet is the 2009 tax amnesty, McCain would've never seen it.
 
2012-09-13 01:13:39 PM
I'd have been glad to vote for McCain if only he'd overruled his damned handlers, kicked their asses out, and stuck with his VP choice of Lieberman.

But nooo.
 
2012-09-13 01:17:43 PM
Yeah Mitt! Ask the master on how to not f*ck up a run for President!
 
2012-09-13 01:22:09 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: vpb: Attacking the commander in chief during a military crisis isn't a very bright move.

All Romney had to say was "We condemn this attack on our nation's sovereignty and our prayers are with our citizens and their families."

If, IF he wanted to be political, he could have just said something like "Despite the administration's efforts in the region, it is clear that there are still radical elements that have not been properly dealt with. A Romney administration would exert maximum force to stamp out extremism in the Middle East."


He honestly shouldn't have had a press conference at all. He had previously said he wasn't going to make a statement on 9/11 and nobody would have bagged on him for keeping that promise. Romney and his people simply couldn't wait to jump on top of those corpses and make his stand.
 
2012-09-13 01:22:14 PM
Let me get this straight:

The guy who lost in 2008 is outclassing the 2012 bum who he wouldn't pick in 2008, and we're supposed to think Romney has a prayer in November?

(laughter from Walt in Men at Work when he tells James and Carl about their new third party.mp3)
 
2012-09-13 01:22:28 PM

Kittypie070: I'd have been glad to vote for McCain if only he'd overruled his damned handlers, kicked their asses out, and stuck with his VP choice of Lieberman.

But nooo.


Kittypie070: I'd have been glad to vote for McCain if only he'd overruled his damned handlers, kicked their asses out, and stuck with his VP choice of Lieberman.

But nooo.


That would have caused quite an election.

McCain was just too old and too nervous to win in 08. He was scared by the GOP establishment after 2000 and had been reactionary ever since.
 
2012-09-13 01:22:45 PM
Stays classy? That would presume McCain had class to begin with.
 
2012-09-13 01:24:16 PM

hubiestubert: And they made up his smirk too?


Wasn't his fault, they were showing LOLCATS on the teleprompter.
 
2012-09-13 01:25:17 PM
sounds like something a political leader should say. Sad that this is newsworthy
 
2012-09-13 01:25:30 PM

WTF Indeed: I honestly don't blame Romney for his statement. That was completely the work of his staff. They know the campaign is sliding into utter failure levels and they needed at boost. They pulled the political trigger too early without knowing the facts. This has all the hallmarks of a staff farkup.


Regardless, that smirk was all Romney's own doing...classless statement without it, campaign killer with
 
2012-09-13 01:26:38 PM
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Hmmm, how does ol Mitt get out of this here pickle?

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I've got it! I five point plan to kill the rest of our diplomats!
 
2012-09-13 01:26:38 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: hubiestubert: And they made up his smirk too?

Wasn't his fault, they were showing LOLCATS on the teleprompter.


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/Shamelessly stolen from Rich Cream in another thread
 
2012-09-13 01:26:40 PM

malone: WTF Indeed: I honestly don't blame Romney for his statement. That was completely the work of his staff. They know the campaign is sliding into utter failure levels and they needed at boost. They pulled the political trigger too early without knowing the facts. This has all the hallmarks of a staff farkup.

Regardless, that smirk was all Romney's own doing...classless statement without it, campaign killer with


No, the speech actually had directions to be as douchy as possible with his body language.

This may lead to Tim & Eric getting fired from their speechwriting job.
 
2012-09-13 01:26:43 PM
President Obama cannot be held responsible for the statements made by the American Embassy in Cairo. The actions of the America's embassy are not his responsibility as President. For Romney to hold the President responsible for the actions of the local representative of the US Department of State in Egypt is simply irresponsible.
 
2012-09-13 01:27:18 PM
"Chris Stevens is one of the finest people I've ever known in my life," McCain said. "He loved the Libyan people. They loved him. He and I were down there on election night and people were saying, 'Thank You America.'"

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By the way. This is something we are missing here. Chris Stevens is a HERO. He did a lot to help to free Libya and in the end died for it. We should honor him as much as soldier who died in a war. You don't need a gun to fight or give your life for freedom.
 
2012-09-13 01:27:44 PM

hubiestubert: WTF Indeed: I honestly don't blame Romney for his statement. That was completely the work of his staff. They know the campaign is sliding into utter failure levels and they needed at boost. They pulled the political trigger too early without knowing the facts. This has all the hallmarks of a staff farkup.

And they made up his smirk too?


Jeebus, hubie, you're starting to sound like a Democrat... ;^)
 
2012-09-13 01:28:38 PM

Corvus: "Chris Stevens is one of the finest people I've ever known in my life," McCain said. "He loved the Libyan people. They loved him. He and I were down there on election night and people were saying, 'Thank You America.'"

[l.yimg.com image 310x388]

By the way. This is something we are missing here. Chris Stevens is a HERO. He did a lot to help to free Libya and in the end died for it. We should honor him as much as soldier who died in a war. You don't need a gun to fight or give your life for freedom.


I second this.
 
2012-09-13 01:28:57 PM

skullkrusher: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: hubiestubert: And they made up his smirk too?

Wasn't his fault, they were showing LOLCATS on the teleprompter.

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/Shamelessly stolen from Rich Cream in another thread


Hit the submit button before acknowledging Rich Cream. Thanks for keeping me honest.
 
2012-09-13 01:29:01 PM

sprawl15: malone: WTF Indeed: I honestly don't blame Romney for his statement. That was completely the work of his staff. They know the campaign is sliding into utter failure levels and they needed at boost. They pulled the political trigger too early without knowing the facts. This has all the hallmarks of a staff farkup.

Regardless, that smirk was all Romney's own doing...classless statement without it, campaign killer with

No, the speech actually had directions to be as douchy as possible with his body language.

This may lead to Tim & Eric getting fired from their speechwriting job.


Hey, Dobis PR is a solid firm.
 
2012-09-13 01:31:39 PM

skullkrusher: stolen


it was a gift

/to the worrrllld
 
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