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(Travel and Leisure)   Problem: Budget cuts force municipalities to cut firefighters. Solution: Tourists get the opportunity to fight a real-life, big-city fire. For a small fee, of course   (travelandleisure.com) divider line 67
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2012-09-13 12:16:53 PM
Also known as baptism by fire...
 
2012-09-13 12:20:35 PM
Okay, kids - let's vote on our vacation plans. Do you want to go to boring ol' Disneyland - or fight awesome meth-lab fires in Detroit? Huh? Huh?
 
2012-09-13 12:21:52 PM
www.uniformdudsforkids.com

I got this!
 
2012-09-13 12:25:01 PM
Funny thing about essential services... they're actually essential!
 
2012-09-13 12:26:14 PM
Every time I see "we have to cut police and firefighters," I wonder how many "second assistant city inspectors" are still working (who are, oddly enough related to the Mayor or a city councilman).
 
2012-09-13 12:30:22 PM

Tourists get the opportunity to fight a real-life, big-city fire.


Garsh, that sounds lahk FUN, hyuk, hyuk! Brandine, run fetch the photo-gadget, hold mah beer, and watch this!
 
2012-09-13 12:30:25 PM
and they have to pay a fee. wow.

i mean, i like this country and i live here and all... but wow, it's really starting to suck.
 
2012-09-13 12:30:36 PM
Not that stupid of an idea. For anyone who actually RTFA anyway. Knowing a few volunteer fire-fighters in small town/rural areas, I can totally see them wanting to spend a day or two working in a big city fighting an urban fire.
 
2012-09-13 12:32:09 PM
I'm glad that by giving all our money to Public Sector Unions and lazy and irresponsible people who insist that other people pay for their childrens' educations that evil Republican programs like "policing" and "firefighting" and "emergency medical services" are finally being put on the chopping block.
 
2012-09-13 12:32:28 PM
Detroit, Detroit, Detroit is on fire!
We don't need no water
Let the motherfarker burn!

Burn, motherfarker, burn!
 
2012-09-13 12:34:02 PM
if only the Democrats could take over the city and restore fiscal responsibility! They wouldn't be susceptible to corruption or bribery, and they could really get the city going again!
 
2012-09-13 12:34:08 PM

cirby: Every time I see "we have to cut police and firefighters," I wonder how many "second assistant city inspectors" are still working (who are, oddly enough related to the Mayor or a city councilman).


Or how many "special interest groups" are still funded.

entropic_existence: Not that stupid of an idea. For anyone who actually RTFA anyway. Knowing a few volunteer fire-fighters in small town/rural areas, I can totally see them wanting to spend a day or two working in a big city fighting an urban fire.


As a former volunteer FF, I would give it a try.
 
2012-09-13 12:35:06 PM
Actually a horrible idea from a liability standpoint. One person dies and millions are out the window.
 
2012-09-13 12:36:30 PM
i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-13 12:36:35 PM

entropic_existence: Not that stupid of an idea. For anyone who actually RTFA anyway. Knowing a few volunteer fire-fighters in small town/rural areas, I can totally see them wanting to spend a day or two working in a big city fighting an urban fire.


It's not even fun to make jokes about Detroit anymore. Things seem to be so bad there that this is comparable to whipping a dead horse. I hope things get better for the folks up there.
 
2012-09-13 12:37:52 PM

Quinzy: Actually a horrible idea from a liability standpoint. One person dies and millions are out the window.


I would suspect that the vast bulk of the monies collected are for that purpose - and that otherwise, they're just trying to get trained firefighters for free.
 
2012-09-13 12:46:57 PM
Been on both sides (volunteer, paid) firefighter coin; this is a bad idea.
 
2012-09-13 12:54:08 PM
Anybody other than me read that headline as "light a real-life, big-city fire...?" 

I expected TFA to be about fire departments thinking "hey- let's let people do arson so we get more funding for fire fighters!"
 
2012-09-13 12:54:21 PM
This is such a stupid idea that it has to be BS story that's been picked up.

i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-13 12:56:00 PM

Babboonrash: It's not even fun to make jokes about Detroit anymore. Things seem to be so bad there that this is comparable to whipping a dead horse. I hope things get better for the folks up there.


What does it take to get your own tag around here? Heck, Detroit could warrant a whole tab!
 
2012-09-13 12:57:47 PM

Big Ramifications: This is such a stupid idea that it has to be BS story that's been picked up.

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It's been on all the news channels here, and the mayor doesn't deny it. They admit it was an idea floated out there actually.
 
2012-09-13 01:01:12 PM
what

seriously, WHAT
 
2012-09-13 01:04:30 PM

fortheloveofgod: Big Ramifications: This is such a stupid idea that it has to be BS story that's been picked up.

[i46.tinypic.com image 160x119]

It's been on all the news channels here, and the mayor doesn't deny it. They admit it was an idea floated out there actually.

~
Cheers.
 
2012-09-13 01:05:00 PM

bagumpity: I expected TFA to be about fire departments thinking "hey- let's let people do arson so we get more funding for fire fighters!"


Ron Howard should make this idea into a movie.
 
2012-09-13 01:09:15 PM
I wonder if anyone's ever considered buying Detroit to use as the set of a movie? I'm sure it would be dirt cheap.

You'd be hard pressed to find a better location for a post-apocalypse theme, and you could even blow up real buildings in the action scenes!
 
2012-09-13 01:20:06 PM
fortheloveofgod:
It's been on all the news channels here, and the mayor doesn't deny it. They admit it was an idea floated out there actually.

In other words, someone needed to push the "we can't afford to pay firefighters" meme to keep the budget untouched, so they came up with this to generate some press coverage.

Of course, the next obvious move would be "who came up with the idea, and do we need to keep paying them for this level of stupidity?"
 
2012-09-13 01:25:19 PM

theorellior: Funny thing about essential services... they're actually essential!


That's why they are the first things to get cut when there are budget problems. It's called extortion.
 
2012-09-13 01:28:06 PM
Detroit's FUBAR right now. Their Fire and EMS system is in the shiatter as is. They can't afford to keep the stations they have up open, and their EMS system is so broken that they're often stacking life-threatening, emergency response calls on top of one another in a holding pattern until they get units free.

This is the same system which had an ambulance recently shot at 17 times while transporting a stabbing victim.
 
2012-09-13 01:28:46 PM

screwzloos: I wonder if anyone's ever considered buying Detroit to use as the set of a movie? I'm sure it would be dirt cheap.

You'd be hard pressed to find a better location for a post-apocalypse theme, and you could even blow up real buildings in the action scenes!


Mad Max reboot?
 
2012-09-13 01:34:31 PM
I'm pretty farking sick of being told to go volunteer to do things when I can't even find a decent job. What's next, we're all going to be shamed into doing everything for free--because, after all, you don't have a job and you're not doing anything, why don't you blow a bunch of money and time volunteering? You can put it on your resume! We're real sorry that you spent $2000 of your own money on gas, but hey, don't you feel good about yourself?
 
2012-09-13 01:34:33 PM

Mose: screwzloos: I wonder if anyone's ever considered buying Detroit to use as the set of a movie? I'm sure it would be dirt cheap.

You'd be hard pressed to find a better location for a post-apocalypse theme, and you could even blow up real buildings in the action scenes!

Mad Max reboot?


I'd pay $16 for a movie ticket to see that. Mel Gibson has gotten significantly crazier since then, so I'm sure he'd play the part even better!
 
2012-09-13 01:42:51 PM
twoguysandamap.com
 
2012-09-13 01:57:42 PM
rookery.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-09-13 02:01:53 PM

Babboonrash: entropic_existence: Not that stupid of an idea. For anyone who actually RTFA anyway. Knowing a few volunteer fire-fighters in small town/rural areas, I can totally see them wanting to spend a day or two working in a big city fighting an urban fire.

It's not even fun to make jokes about Detroit anymore. Things seem to be so bad there that this is comparable to whipping a dead horse. I hope things get better for the folks up there.


My GF is from Windsor, she loves Detroit and that whole area. From what I've been reading yeah Detroit has problems but it is also experiencing a pretty big revival in some areas of the city. People might hate on hipsters around those parts but if there is one demographic that is willing to spend big bucks on local anything... it's hipsters. Art and Culture especially.
 
2012-09-13 02:13:11 PM
You kidding? I'm in. How much is the fee? Will fighting a meth lab fire cost more or less?
 
2012-09-13 02:16:11 PM
Boy, they play hard ball. Most places just lay guys off. Why would they cut the poor bastards?
 
2012-09-13 02:27:44 PM

theorellior: Funny thing about essential services... they're actually essential! liberal commie socialism

 
2012-09-13 02:35:34 PM
Of any of you want to see what Detroit firefighting is like, check out the movie Burn. Trailers are available to view on their web site, and they are still collecting money to distribute

Web site is:
http://detroitfirefilm.org/

Sorry no link, I'm on a cell phone.

I had a chance to attend a screening of the movie this summer, it was amazing. Hands down the best firefighting footage I have ever seen, spliced together from helmet cams on each crew member.

Tag line really says it all:
"One year on the front lines of the battle to save Detroit"
 
2012-09-13 02:36:00 PM

cirby: fortheloveofgod:
It's been on all the news channels here, and the mayor doesn't deny it. They admit it was an idea floated out there actually.

In other words, someone needed to push the "we can't afford to pay firefighters" meme to keep the budget untouched, so they came up with this to generate some press coverage.

Of course, the next obvious move would be "who came up with the idea, and do we need to keep paying them for this level of stupidity?"


I think you're right.
 
2012-09-13 02:51:35 PM

werekoala: Of any of you want to see what Detroit firefighting is like, check out the movie Burn. Trailers are available to view on their web site, and they are still collecting money to distribute

Web site is:
http://detroitfirefilm.org/

Sorry no link, I'm on a cell phone.

I had a chance to attend a screening of the movie this summer, it was amazing. Hands down the best firefighting footage I have ever seen, spliced together from helmet cams on each crew member.

Tag line really says it all:
"One year on the front lines of the battle to save Detroit"


Thanks for sharing that, man. I never even knew this existed!
 
2012-09-13 02:51:43 PM
www.andyandnoreen.com
 
2012-09-13 02:58:07 PM

werekoala: Of any of you want to see what Detroit firefighting is like, check out the movie Burn. Trailers are available to view on their web site, and they are still collecting money to distribute

Web site is:
http://detroitfirefilm.org/

Sorry no link, I'm on a cell phone.

I had a chance to attend a screening of the movie this summer, it was amazing. Hands down the best firefighting footage I have ever seen, spliced together from helmet cams on each crew member.

Tag line really says it all:
"One year on the front lines of the battle to save Detroit"


Oh. Hell. Yes.
 
2012-09-13 03:00:26 PM
We have enough money to give the cops M-16's APC's, and millions of dollars of other milspec gear.

We don't have enough money to HAVE fire fighters.

/are we safe yet?
 
2012-09-13 03:24:09 PM

fluffy2097: We have enough money to give the cops M-16's APC's, and millions of dollars of other milspec gear.

We don't have enough money to HAVE fire fighters.

/are we safe yet?


Which one does asset forfeiture?
 
2012-09-13 03:27:39 PM
Look at the photo

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Some how I don't think New York's Bravest are leaving their trucks in Detroit.
 
2012-09-13 03:28:00 PM
If the liberals hadn't given police and fire such outrageous pay, pensions and benefits we wouldn't have such soaring local government deficits and we wouldn't have to entertain the thought of layoffs.
 
2012-09-13 03:35:17 PM
I hear the fires consists of witches burning on more witches.
 
2012-09-13 04:01:49 PM
As a volunteer, I think it's kinda neat. However, equipment seems a problem, unless they provide the operators and stuff, and training. Also, our large scale trainings are similar anyways. Double also, paying?? Our dept. gets donations when we just train with area potentially dangerous businesses.
 
2012-09-13 05:04:36 PM

zepher: If the liberals hadn't given police and fire such outrageous pay, pensions and benefits we wouldn't have such soaring local government deficits and we wouldn't have to entertain the thought of layoffs.


Yeah, you're right. Firefighers and Police don't deserve living wages.

We should pay them minimum wage like everyone else in the United States that doesn't own their own business. That'll teach them to be bootstrappy!

The Median Pay of a Firefighter in 2010 was 45,270 a year, or 21.22 an hour, with most working 24 or 48 hour shifts.

/isn't it nice to be show just how much of a partisan boot licker you are?
 
2012-09-13 05:45:11 PM

zepher: If the liberals hadn't given police and fire such outrageous pay, pensions and benefits we wouldn't have such soaring local government deficits and we wouldn't have to entertain the thought of layoffs.


Yes, my $52,000 annual salary is absolutely outrageous. As is my enormous 401(a) (similar, but not the same as a 401(k)) retirement account.

Some other fun things that I'm "given:"
-Straight-time overtime. Every hour I work over my contractual 42 hour week gets paid at my regular rate. No time-and-a-half for me. I can even say no to OT, get ordered to work involuntary OT, and they still are allowed to pay straight-time.

-No social security. Most career fire fighters are ineligible for social security. It saves the city 6.2% of my gross pay. Even if I work another job that's paying FICA and have enough quarters to collect, a "windfall elimination" clause in the Social Security code cuts my benefit to less than 20% of what it should be. If I did have a defined benefit pension this wouldn't be as big a deal, but with a 401(a) it means that if I run out of money in retirement, I have zero income. We're not even talking living in HUD housing and eating cat food. We're talking broke. Which leads us into the next outrageous benefit I get:

-Mandatory retirement. Fire departments are one of the last places that are allowed to legally discriminate based on age. They toss me out on my ass the minute I turn 65. I could be working the night shift the day before my 65th birthday, and they'll call at midnight and send me home. Other people might want to retire, but look at their retirement accounts and have to decide to work a few extra years. I don't have that luxury.

I love my job. Despite all these issues, I think I'm pretty fairly compensated. I squirrel money away left and right so I will be able to live in retirement. I don't ask for a lot; enough to afford a decent house, a reliable car and a few modest pleasures. I guess in some people's eyes, that just makes me a greedy, public sector union thug.
 
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