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2012-09-13 10:36:32 AM
Interesting article. I agree we would have more jobs if only we could go back to the Pullman days.

I never realized how much paying people a living wage and granting them affordable health care hurt them. They should be denied coverage. Thank you supply side Jesus.
 
2012-09-13 10:45:59 AM
Ah the ole rent-seeking-grifters = job creators meme. Yes, lets thank them for crashing the economy, siphoning off our 401k values and moving jobs en masse to China, India and the lowest offshore bidder. I'm sure they just have our best intentions in mind.

/ Job creator who is folding up business this month
// No customers = no business; taxes and regulations aren't killing things, middle class consumers not consuming are killing things
 
2012-09-13 11:01:00 AM
We are competing against nations that have salaries 1/10th of ours. Do we want to pay our people 1/10th as much and kill off every social program to cover for it? Sure, that's one way to make us exactly like India.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-13 11:07:40 AM
It couldn't possibly have anything to do with lack of demand for products and services because consumers don't have any money to spend could it?

If we taught basic economics in school there wouldn't be a GOP.
 
2012-09-13 11:19:13 AM
-Companies tighten belts at beginning of Bush recession
-A hypothetical company of 100,000 fires 20,000 employees and slashes wages for the rest
-Remaining employees now have the fear of god in them, because about 50 unemployed people are competing for every single job at the company
-Don't complain when shifts are expanded to fill the 20% gap
-Company productivity barely changes
-Sociopath CEO realizes that this is great for profits and decides to never fill those 20,000 positions again
But it's all Obama's fault, you guys
 
2012-09-13 11:31:53 AM

kingoomieiii: But it's all Obama's fault, you guys


Standard business maxim: "What can be done by 2 people, can be done by 1 at half the cost."
 
2012-09-13 11:47:47 AM
Lack of demand.

Next.
 
2012-09-13 11:50:18 AM
 
2012-09-13 11:51:28 AM
research.stlouisfed.org

ct.politicomments.com
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-13 11:54:15 AM

kingoomieiii: -Companies tighten belts at beginning of Bush recession
-A hypothetical company of 100,000 fires 20,000 employees and slashes wages for the rest
-Remaining employees now have the fear of god in them, because about 50 unemployed people are competing for every single job at the company
-Don't complain when shifts are expanded to fill the 20% gap
-Company productivity barely changes
-Sociopath CEO realizes that this is great for profits and decides to never fill those 20,000 positions again
But it's all Obama's fault, you guys


He will never fill those 20,000 positions again because every other CEO did the same thing and there are now 20% fewer customers to the company's product.

People forget that it is impossible to make a dollar unless there is someone willing to spend a dollar. If the investor class kills off consumers they will have no one to make money from.

Parasites evolve over time to avoid killing their hosts because the parasite dies if the host dies. It's a shame that human memory is less reliable than DNA or our wealthy class would learn not to kill off it's host.
 
2012-09-13 11:54:38 AM
How is babby formed? How girl get pragnent?
 
2012-09-13 11:56:14 AM
CPI adjusted retail sales

research.stlouisfed.org
 
2012-09-13 11:58:33 AM
So, we should give tax breaks to billionaires and get rid of minimum wage laws in order to compete.....this is honestly what the folks in charge of the GOP want.
 
2012-09-13 11:59:03 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Lack of demand.

Next.


Socialist.
 
2012-09-13 12:00:40 PM
Slaves never complained about unemployment
 
2012-09-13 12:01:31 PM
"What's strangling job creation?"

Lack of consumer demand thanks to supply-side economics raping the consumer class.
 
2012-09-13 12:01:33 PM

vpb: It couldn't possibly have anything to do with lack of demand for products and services because consumers don't have any money to spend could it?


I have been assured that an abundance of supply automatically creates demand.
 
2012-09-13 12:04:06 PM

Elzar: Ah the ole rent-seeking-grifters = job creators meme. Yes, lets thank them for crashing the economy, siphoning off our 401k values and moving jobs en masse to China, India and the lowest offshore bidder. I'm sure they just have our best intentions in mind.

/ Job creator who is folding up business this month
// No customers = no business; taxes and regulations aren't killing things, middle class consumers not consuming are killing things


I'm sorry for your loss.

The reason, I believe, that the middle class consumers aren't spending is because there is no base-line wealth creation. Wealth is created by mining, farming, and manufacturing. Everything else is just selling services to each other and circulating the same wealth. Offshoring manufacturing has removed those local payrolls that added the seed money to local communities. On a small scale - a town that has the local factory close-down goes into rapid decline because that was the source of money. All of those paychecks from the mill workers went into the local community and paid for the livelihoods of the shopkeepers, professionals, and restaurants.

Now, all the wealth is sucked right up to the top, where it is dumped into the stock market and other investments instead of being spent and circulating.
 
2012-09-13 12:06:18 PM
The graphs included in the article made me think of vaginas.
 
2012-09-13 12:07:10 PM
Supply side is based on the premise that once a company saves enough on taxes they will have no choice but to hire people to do nothing.
 
2012-09-13 12:07:48 PM
I know we're one business, but we just hired a total of 6 people. Granted 3 are in Canada, and 3 are here in the states, but we'llbe hiring more in the coming months, because the business I am in has a lot of near retirement people that are retiring in the next 6-12 months. It's gonna be a rough patch, I'm sure, but we'll manage.

We can't keep up with demand at the moment, and our production crew is bogged down with orders.

I myself spent most of my summer on the road tending two new products after two years of not having to travel at all.

//It tints my view of things at the moment, I know.
 
2012-09-13 12:09:06 PM

vpb: It couldn't possibly have anything to do with lack of demand for products and services because consumers don't have any money to spend could it?

If we taught basic economics in school there wouldn't be a GOP.


The future GOPers would just opt out for religious reasons.
 
2012-09-13 12:09:11 PM
Yeah, because what we really need right now is another bubble. Sorry under-employed people, but healthy economies don't grow over-night.
 
2012-09-13 12:10:17 PM
What's strangling job creation?

The rich would have you believe that it's Obama's policies, and that another tax break for them should do the trick this time.

*HOWEVER*:

Taxes are already lower than they've been since WWII. We should be absolutely SWIMMING in jobs already. Instead of putting their increased earnings back into the economy, the rich are hoarding the money, and paying us back by outsourcing thousands of jobs, to further increase their profits. Any candidate who is not in their pocket when it comes to this scheme is to be silenced and marginalized. Their reprehensible behavior and underhanded delegate substitution at the RNC was all the proof of that you should require. They are at the top of the food chain, and the "American Dream" is a threat to them, as it represents their potential downfall and replacement by a new "top dog".
 
2012-09-13 12:12:05 PM
What does it say when even I won't click into an American Thinker piece. Huh, what does it say?
 
2012-09-13 12:13:08 PM

madgonad: Elzar: Ah the ole rent-seeking-grifters = job creators meme. Yes, lets thank them for crashing the economy, siphoning off our 401k values and moving jobs en masse to China, India and the lowest offshore bidder. I'm sure they just have our best intentions in mind.

/ Job creator who is folding up business this month
// No customers = no business; taxes and regulations aren't killing things, middle class consumers not consuming are killing things

I'm sorry for your loss.

The reason, I believe, that the middle class consumers aren't spending is because there is no base-line wealth creation. Wealth is created by mining, farming, and manufacturing. Everything else is just selling services to each other and circulating the same wealth. Offshoring manufacturing has removed those local payrolls that added the seed money to local communities. On a small scale - a town that has the local factory close-down goes into rapid decline because that was the source of money. All of those paychecks from the mill workers went into the local community and paid for the livelihoods of the shopkeepers, professionals, and restaurants.

Now, all the wealth is sucked right up to the top, where it is dumped into the stock market and other investments instead of being spent and circulating.


Yep, which is actually a great argument for reinstating historically higher taxes on the higher brackets, and increasing capital gains on those only making money off of money and not contributing to the economy.
 
2012-09-13 12:14:43 PM

vpb: It couldn't possibly have anything to do with lack of demand for products and services because consumers don't have any money to spend could it?

If we taught basic economics in school there wouldn't be a GOP.


People stop spending when they lose all faith in a better tomorrow, without customers there are no jobs.
 
2012-09-13 12:18:14 PM

Carn: Yep, which is actually a great argument for reinstating historically higher taxes on the higher brackets, and increasing capital gains on those only making money off of money and not contributing to the economy.


Get out of my head!
 
2012-09-13 12:18:29 PM

smitty04:
People stop spending when they lose all faith in a better tomorrow


wut
 
2012-09-13 12:18:47 PM

Cletus C.: What does it say when even I won't click into an American Thinker piece. Huh, what does it say?


talkingpointsmemo.com

It means that America's 4 year national nightmare might be finally over.
 
2012-09-13 12:18:52 PM
Death by a thousand cuts is still death. The last bullet in the above list is ObamaCare. To switch metaphors, ObamaCare might have been the last straw on the camel's back. Did we finally kill the Golden Goose?

Huh.

Must be Thursday.
 
2012-09-13 12:18:56 PM

Cletus C.: What does it say when even I won't click into an American Thinker piece. Huh, what does it say?


The Mayans were right.
 
2012-09-13 12:19:05 PM
Nice article. Romney should totally run on repealing all those job-killing, business strangling regulations that are listed there. No seriously, please run on that. Please.
 
2012-09-13 12:20:02 PM
CSB:

Oh, I'd also like to add my anecdotal evidence because that seems to be the main way the right makes their point. My company has grown 47% in three years and we are still unable to fill a lot of skilled people in needed positions. We are a software development consulting company so we have a pretty distinct set of skills requirements. Our pay and benefits are fantastic. So the whole are you better off question? Yeah, by about 25% in terms of salary. Plus this winter I will hit my five year mark and I start earning an extra week of vacation a year (will be at four), yay!

Seriously, IT is a growing industry and it's already getting hit hard with the boomers retiring. I graduated right after the tech bust and there was a dramatic drop-off in graduates in these types of disciplines after that but the demand for the positions recovered and has only increased. Add in the fact that new technologies and whole markets keep emerging every year and you get an industry that won't be going anywhere for the foreseeable future.

/CSB
//YMMV
 
2012-09-13 12:20:41 PM
Stupid no-preview-on-the-phone thing, i accidentally clicked on an AmericanThinker link. I got as far as them showing the graph and wondering"what's different this time?" before I gave up on them. I mean, it couldn't be the size of the recession or the sheer number of jobs, now could it?
 
2012-09-13 12:21:40 PM

madgonad: Carn: Yep, which is actually a great argument for reinstating historically higher taxes on the higher brackets, and increasing capital gains on those only making money off of money and not contributing to the economy.

Get out of my head!


Sorry :P
 
2012-09-13 12:22:38 PM

TheGogmagog: Interesting article. I agree we would have more jobs if only we could go back to the Pullman days.

I never realized how much paying people a living wage and granting them affordable health care hurt them. They should be denied coverage. Thank you supply side Jesus.


juicycelebrityrumors.com

You must be Dean Devlin or Roland Emmerich trying to breathe new life into the feel-good-jingoistic-summer-movie of the 90s!
 
2012-09-13 12:23:10 PM

theknuckler_33: Nice article. Romney should totally run on repealing all those job-killing, business strangling regulations that are listed there. No seriously, please run on that. Please.


I know, because when I walk into a lumber mill (which I do on a regular basis, even though I write software for a living), I want to worry even more about what safety regulations they actually follow, since those regs would potentially be gone.

Why doesn't the GOP just come out and say "OSHA is killing job creation"?
 
2012-09-13 12:24:35 PM
Barry Hussein O'Hitler's communist bureaucracy is strangling job creation

The Creation Museum is found in Petersburg, Kentucky

Peter Berg directed the film "Hancock" starring Jason Bateman and Will Smith

Will Smith starred in "Six Degrees of Separation" with Donald Sutherland

Donald Sutherland appeared in "Animal House" which also starred ...

Kevin Bacon

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-13 12:25:16 PM
Nordberg? what about Zoidberg?
 
2012-09-13 12:26:36 PM

heavymetal: Lack of consumer demand thanks to supply-side economics raping the consumer class.


Or not.
 
2012-09-13 12:27:46 PM

Virulency: Nordberg? what about Zoidberg?


What about Norbert?
images2.fanpop.com
 
2012-09-13 12:28:01 PM
The article authors conclusion is simple: The economy ran much better when people could be sacrificed at will to its cold, heartless demands.

Remember money isn't for people, people must be thrown on the fire to protect the money...

fc05.deviantart.net

Good day sir...
 
2012-09-13 12:28:47 PM

The Reverend Smith: Or not.


lol
 
2012-09-13 12:30:53 PM
I owned a pet store in Wisconsin. Closing it up because my customers don't have enough money to spend on pets anymore. Taxes were the least of my worries. The landlord increasing our rent 50% made it impossible to limp through until the economy gets back on track. A nice little national insurance company chain now has the spot in the strip mall. It didn't help that every wholesaler, UPS, cable, credit card machine people, etc... all raised their rates because we are in recovery and it's time to go back to pre-2009 rates.

At the end of the day other private businesses raped us, not the government. Poor consumer spending levels combined with increased rent and utilities put me out of business. I had 100's of returning regular customers that loved our store. They just didn't have enough spare money to spend.
 
2012-09-13 12:31:08 PM

The Reverend Smith: heavymetal: Lack of consumer demand thanks to supply-side economics raping the consumer class.

Or not.


I managed to watch that for 45 seconds.
 
2012-09-13 12:31:49 PM
smitty04:

vpb: It couldn't possibly have anything to do with lack of demand for products and services because consumers don't have any money to spend could it?

If we taught basic economics in school there wouldn't be a GOP.

People stop spending when they lose all faith in a better tomorrow, without customers there are no jobs.


Rational, actual people stop spending their money with "job creators" when... Well, let's see here...

They no longer have money to spend.

It's that simple. If they had money, they'd pump it in to the economy.

This has zip to do with how much taxes the Mitt Romneys of the world pay (or avoid,) and if you think taxes or regulation is the problem, you are lying or misinformed. It'd be amusing to watch the Teabaggies fulminate if they weren't so full of shiat and so freighted with social conservative baggage.
 
2012-09-13 12:32:40 PM
"What's strangling job creation? If you're already in business, how ready are you to do more hiring?"

American Stinker is trying to make the point that businesses are afraid of the obvious Obama communisms, which is of course idiotic, but there's a grain of truth in there. Businesses are scared. No business is going to refrain from hiring merely because taxes might go up incrementally in the near future, if there's a market for them to expand to. But as long as consumer confidence is bad and too many people are out of work and money is tight, businesses are afraid that there's not enough demand for their expanded business to thrive. Now this problem is fixed if more people get jobs and have more disposable income and better financial situations, but that requires someone to act first and hire, and so far we have something like a standoff between two swordsmen who are staring each other down waiting for the other to telegraph and make their first move.

And in this respect, expanding government-related hiring (especially for things like infrastructure construction, which we need anyway) is the right move. It's a damn dirty shame that the Republicans have fought jobs every step of the way.
 
2012-09-13 12:32:51 PM
So what's the latest theory on this just being part of societal adaptation to the invention of a major labor saving device i.e. PCs? Businesses accomplish the same work with less manpower. Why would they need to hire people when they getting rid of them?

upload.wikimedia.org

/infernal contraptions
 
2012-09-13 12:32:59 PM
Government plays a role in the economy. So does business. They are inextricably intertwined. Businesses provide goods and jobs to people while taking supplies from people and earth, government protects people from other governments and from the businesses that wish to exploit the people and the natural resources, and provides goods and services to the people that businesses are reluctant to provide because it impacts their profits. Businesses and people pay taxes for governmental services. This is how it's supposed to work.

What you don't do is bankrupt the government by providing goods and services to the older generations that you can't afford while liberally stealing from the younger generations. You don't lower taxes to businesses when faced with this kind of crisis, and you certainly don't give more money to an elite that has captured most of the growth in wealth over the past 30 years.

And supply side economics is totally foolish. Supply is created from demand. No one buys a product without wanting it, whether or not their wanting it is the result of need, some sort of clever marketing, or a simple willingness to hand over money to try something. People who disagree with me are welcome to all the ET cartridges from Atari, I believe they are in a landfill somewhere.
 
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