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(Politico)   Benghazi consulate had no Marine protection - but c'mon, it's Libya. Who could have predicted things might go pear-shaped in a place like that?   (politico.com) divider line 307
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2012-09-13 11:42:10 AM
Hope the family sues the US government.
 
2012-09-13 11:44:25 AM
If only we had forces everywhere keeping people from reaching a riotous frenzy then we would have world peace. I blame the USA for not proactively making world peace.
 
2012-09-13 11:45:35 AM
This was gross negligence on our part.
 
2012-09-13 11:45:42 AM
Well after reading the article, it was supposed to be a temporary small post. Sucks, but probably didn't have the facilities to house all the Marines and staff. Obviously hindsight is 20/20.
 
2012-09-13 11:47:25 AM

bizwack: //WTF is an Islamic flag?


In this case the flag reads "there is no god but allah, and mohommed is his prophet". Not an official flag from the department of Islam, exactly, but it gets the point across.
 
2012-09-13 11:47:38 AM

ModernLuddite: I blame Obama repealing DADT.


I'm going to assume that you are repeating Dinnerjacket's "There are no gays in Iran" and then assuming the reader would link Muslim country with that statement thereby making it extremely humorous when following the poking of calling Marines gay.

I like that. You mixed at least three jokes in that tiny statement.

(or maybe I read too much into things)
 
2012-09-13 11:47:43 AM

tereklusec: I'm as remorseful as you are that Democrats are also Americans, but sadly it's a truth we cannot change. So I stand, regretfully, correct in my original statement.


Hell, Democrats are the only true Americans. Blue states pay more taxes into the system than we take out, while red states sponge off of us. And we don't whine about it, because we know what it means to be a country. You Republicans hate society and thus hate America (even as you are the biggest leeches off of said society and said country).

Frankly I'd be more than happy for you guys to go off and secede. I guarantee you, we'd be better off.
 
2012-09-13 11:48:00 AM

ha-ha-guy: tereklusec: oeneus: There are many missions that have no Marine presence and Marines, when present, protect information not personnel. Embassy and consulate protection is the responsibility of the host government.

Marines, like all armed forces, protect whatever you tell them to. And they protect it well, with violence if necessary.

I'm a former MSG and what oeneus said is more or less correct. The top of our list is "Destroy the following shiat in the event of an embassy breach". Moving beyond that our goal is to support the State Department in their goals long term diplomatic goals, not mow down crowds with .50 caliber fire. Mass killings tend to put a chill a diplomacy and create long term problems. Had Marine Security Guards been there they likely would have been busy destroying stuff, fighting fires, and moving staff to safe rooms. There really isn't an "empty the armory and kill hundreds of people" page in the security guard book. The State Department is pissed about the dead staff, they'd be even more pissed had the locals been massacred. Sometimes your the unit that gets to be the first ashore (read: 90% causality rate) and sometimes your the State Department worker who buys the farm for being in a hostile environment. No one likes to admit it, but sometimes a platoon or two of dead Americans are better than the alternative in the long run.

For that matter the 50 person team that is getting dropped off is likely laden down with LRADs, Tear Gas, and all kinds of fun non lethal toys. They'll likely sandbag in some weapons like 40mm grenade launchers or the like as kind of a visible do not fark with us symbol (and you can fire all kinds of fun nonlethal shiat from the 40mm). However the real security will be the Libyan military, paramilitary, or riot police units that get are setting up camp around an embassy. If the locals heads have to be cracked, you want locals doing the cracking, much less of a backlash that way. 10 Libyan security guards died defending ...


I agree with your diplomatic points. But I would say that having some marines there to do the things that you said the Marines would be doing rather than having none(or a couple non-uniformed guys) would have increased the odds that folks would have survived, in my opinion.

Do you really have protocol to destroy documents if rioting protestors or terrorists fire RPGs into a consulate?
 
2012-09-13 11:49:41 AM

Red_Fox: I can't be bothered to read all the derp in this thread but there are some of you who blame Obama and Democrats for this? You really are the idiots that people from other countries say you are if you believe that.


Not only that...they're HAPPY this happened. Disgusting treasonous individuals, all of 'em.
 
2012-09-13 11:50:01 AM

KanedaJD: This POST was gross negligence on our MY part.



Corrected

/Well....it was!
 
2012-09-13 11:51:17 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: tereklusec: I'm as remorseful as you are that Democrats are also Americans, but sadly it's a truth we cannot change. So I stand, regretfully, correct in my original statement.

Hell, Democrats are the only true Americans. Blue states pay more taxes into the system than we take out, while red states sponge off of us. And we don't whine about it, because we know what it means to be a country. You Republicans hate society and thus hate America (even as you are the biggest leeches off of said society and said country).

Frankly I'd be more than happy for you guys to go off and secede. I guarantee you, we'd be better off.


It's people with your fish brained mindsets- both of you dipshiats- that I would be happy to see 'go off and secede'.

Hopefully I'm missing some sarcasm.
 
2012-09-13 11:51:57 AM

tereklusec: Do you really have protocol to destroy documents if rioting protestors or terrorists fire RPGs into a consulate?


Why the fark wouldn't they?
 
2012-09-13 11:51:59 AM

X-boxershorts: KanedaJD: This POST was gross negligence on our MY part.


Corrected

/Well....it was!


Cute
 
2012-09-13 11:53:11 AM

KanedaJD: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: tereklusec: I'm as remorseful as you are that Democrats are also Americans, but sadly it's a truth we cannot change. So I stand, regretfully, correct in my original statement.

Hell, Democrats are the only true Americans. Blue states pay more taxes into the system than we take out, while red states sponge off of us. And we don't whine about it, because we know what it means to be a country. You Republicans hate society and thus hate America (even as you are the biggest leeches off of said society and said country).

Frankly I'd be more than happy for you guys to go off and secede. I guarantee you, we'd be better off.

It's people with your fish brained mindsets- both of you dipshiats- that I would be happy to see 'go off and secede'.

Hopefully I'm missing some sarcasm.


I'm just reading from their playbook. Welcome to fark.
 
2012-09-13 11:53:49 AM
Kit Fister: "Seriously, though, I said the same thing yesterday. Everytthing related to the movie is coming up bogus, like it was a covert op type thing."

Yeah, the weirdest bit is that the catalyst for the protests was the translated trailer, posted to the same account as the original trailer. And that followed the original trailer by some months. It would seem a stretch that the anti-American forces had "Use a protest as cover" plan to attack US assets in several countries ready to go when the translated call to action just happened to be uploaded. That's a bit too convenient. If it was natural, you'd think it would take more than a week for them to have co-opted the video, built the plan, built the outrage and arranged protests on *9/11* ffs.

So it seems more likely the terrorists got their plan ready then indicated a green light to post the translation and kick off the 'build a mob' portion.

I guess it's possible the bad actors did the translation themselves and hacked the filmmakers account. But it seems more likely that the film's money originally came from someone who knew what the end goal was. Not only to make a video that would cause protests, but that those protests themselves would be cover for attacks. And the film-maker was probably a wannabe political ratfarker who just thought their stunt would get them some sweet fringe patronage gigs (ala O'Keefe), but realized yesterday afternoon that he's just a patsy.
 
2012-09-13 11:53:50 AM

KanedaJD: X-boxershorts: KanedaJD: This POST was gross negligence on our MY part.


Corrected

/Well....it was!

Cute


Well, hey....you could have cited evidence supporting your claim.

Without citing evidence, your comment was just more of the same inflammatory nonsense making up 99% of the thread.

/Ain't FARK great?
 
2012-09-13 11:54:43 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: KanedaJD: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: tereklusec: I'm as remorseful as you are that Democrats are also Americans, but sadly it's a truth we cannot change. So I stand, regretfully, correct in my original statement.

Hell, Democrats are the only true Americans. Blue states pay more taxes into the system than we take out, while red states sponge off of us. And we don't whine about it, because we know what it means to be a country. You Republicans hate society and thus hate America (even as you are the biggest leeches off of said society and said country).

Frankly I'd be more than happy for you guys to go off and secede. I guarantee you, we'd be better off.

It's people with your fish brained mindsets- both of you dipshiats- that I would be happy to see 'go off and secede'.

Hopefully I'm missing some sarcasm.

I'm just reading from their playbook. Welcome to fark.


Mmmhmm...

Why put out a fire when you can pour gas on it, after all.

I've been here for a while, thanks
 
2012-09-13 11:57:49 AM

X-boxershorts: KanedaJD: X-boxershorts: KanedaJD: This POST was gross negligence on our MY part.


Corrected

/Well....it was!

Cute

Well, hey....you could have cited evidence supporting your claim.

Without citing evidence, your comment was just more of the same inflammatory nonsense making up 99% of the thread.

/Ain't FARK great?


Think real hard about what happened in Libya recently.
 
2012-09-13 12:07:25 PM

KanedaJD: X-boxershorts: KanedaJD: X-boxershorts: KanedaJD: This POST was gross negligence on our MY part.


Corrected

/Well....it was!

Cute

Well, hey....you could have cited evidence supporting your claim.

Without citing evidence, your comment was just more of the same inflammatory nonsense making up 99% of the thread.

/Ain't FARK great?

Think real hard about what happened in Libya recently.


I have, as a veteran and now as a taxpayer. I wonder the same about you.
 
2012-09-13 12:10:02 PM

SeismicJizzer: It is hard to predict what will set off Muslim nations, this time its about a movie that no one has ever heard of and these douchebags whipped themselves into a frenzy, created by asinine coonts for political gain.


You really believe everything the media tells you, don't you?

This happened on NINE farkING ELEVEN. It has nothing to do with a movie that came out over a year ago.
 
2012-09-13 12:10:20 PM
There's a startling amount of mindnumbingly stupid posts in this thread.

Look, the diplomatic service is a dangerous business and its participants know it, we know it, everyone knows it.

The men who died woke up that morning with the full understanding that sometimes things go pear-shaped and violence happens. It's a sad reality and their deaths will not go unpunished, but there it is. Sometimes, people die in that service.

Did it have to happen? No. The retard hick preacher who deliberately provoked them into violence is entirely to blame for igniting their fury and 'should' be held accountable, just as any fool who yells 'fire' in a crowded theater and gets people trampled to death.

Did this particular administration actually 'do' anything different to exacerbate the crisis? No.

A few last things to consider:

1) Romney is a smarmy douchenozzle unfit to even be near the White House. I actively hate that farker now.

2) There were spontaneous protests and candlelight vigils held in Libya after the attacks, showing that the vast majority of Libyans are allies and friends of the U.S. now. They are well aware that their current freedom from Daffy's regime is partially due to our efforts.
 
2012-09-13 12:12:15 PM

JohnCarter: What the secret plans for the NEW mission building in Benghazi look like (artist rendering)

[blog.frightcatalog.com image 600x533]


That's pretty cool. Does it have an elevator or does it just use stairs?
 
2012-09-13 12:12:41 PM

tereklusec: I agree with your diplomatic points. But I would say that having some marines there to do the things that you said the Marines would be doing rather than having none(or a couple non-uniformed guys) would have increased the odds that folks would have survived, in my opinion.

Do you really have protocol to destroy documents if rioting protestors or terrorists fire RPGs into a consulate?


Our primary purpose in life to protect classified stuff. Ensure it isn't stolen, ensure it doesn't fall into enemy hands, etc. At my posts we never did personal protection, if the State Department wants you to have bodyguard detail they'll issue you one. The extent at which was protected people was some individuals had classified information in their skulls, thus protecting the information entailed protecting them. Which meant for you example you dragged the ambassador to the safe room and threw him in there, even if he wanted to go check on his support staff and make sure they're okay. The support staff was on their own though. If they didn't make it to the safe room before it had to be secured, sucks to be them.

Basically if my superiors had seen my dead corpse being carried down the street by a mob, their first thought would have been "That chump better have destroyed everything he was supposed to before he got himself killed." The thought "I hope he saved the interns" never would have crossed their minds.

You wouldn't destroy stuff just on RPGs though. However that would be sign to get ready to. In other words, had what happened in Libya happened at my embassy, my Marine ass would not have been running for the walls with a machine gun. I would have been inside a fairly boring interior room with another Marine and two civilians employed by the Diplomatic Security Services (part of the Department of State). On another signal, stuff would be destroyed.

In other words there would not have have been a pack of Marines roaming the halls and rescuing everyone. We would have been busy locking the doors and destroying shiat. There may have been guys out to locate specific high value people and get them on the helicopter/into the safe room, but we're not the guys who protect the general staff. The local police/paramilitary outside the walls is supposed to break the crowd up before it storms the embassy. If they fail, the embassy security guards (normally people contracted by DSS) are supposed to delay the crowd. At no point do the Marines really emerge and go into kill the intruders/rescue everyone mode.

If it turns out the crowd made off with a super secret code book, when that's something the Marines would have stopped. You may have had some Marines outside supervising the people who handled external security, but odds are the majority would be inside and busy focusing on the protection/destruction of specific assets. The guys outside would not have been enough to turn the tide of the riot. All that would change is now it would be 10 Libyans and 2 Marines supervising them died.
 
2012-09-13 12:18:30 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: tereklusec: I'm as remorseful as you are that Democrats are also Americans, but sadly it's a truth we cannot change. So I stand, regretfully, correct in my original statement.

Hell, Democrats are the only true Americans. Blue states pay more taxes into the system than we take out, while red states sponge off of us. And we don't whine about it, because we know what it means to be a country. You Republicans hate society and thus hate America (even as you are the biggest leeches off of said society and said country).

Frankly I'd be more than happy for you guys to go off and secede. I guarantee you, we'd be better off.


Who would you tax then? Just because a state is blue, does not mean the Democrats there work, just means there are more welfare bums who vote for Obama.
 
2012-09-13 12:19:36 PM

HotWingConspiracy: If they had raped a single white female your outrage would be changing teams, I think, and you would be calling them rapists instead of protestors.

I don't even know what the fark to say to this. Why do people like you bring race in to everything?


Because they see race in everything. And then they get outraged when you call them racists.
 
2012-09-13 12:21:27 PM

tereklusec: We sent dignitaries THEN security personnel instead of the other way around?

We really are the overconfident assholes the rest of the countries accuse us of being.


Yeah, clearly we were asking for it. Not protecting ourselves is a provocation, and we should apologize for being attacked.
 
2012-09-13 12:21:49 PM

gerbilpox: LesserEvil: We'll never know because Carter's foreign policy was crap. He never understood what he was up against, and constantly erred in the worst possible ways.

Ever heard of the Camp David Accords? Maybe the biggest advance toward Middle East peace evar? Nobel Peace Prize to participants?


/just askin'


Carter got a peace prize? Oh, that's right, he didn't. He aped the success Kissinger had and got two leaders who were reasonable and rational to the table. This wasn't bad, but let's not give Carter all the credit here.

My reference was specifically to how the "revolution" was handled, or rather, mishandled.

A others stated, the embassy should have been evacuated when the Shah left. Instead, the administration took too many half-measures until it was too late.

The biggest problem was miscalculating the situation on the ground - in a number of ways - including being 'surprised' by the Shah's departure; hardly surprising considering the lack of actual support the US was giving his regime. Diplomatic effort could have been spent to reassure the Shah of support, perhaps a coalition of nations backing him explicitly, while at the same time, leaning on him to make compromises with the more moderate of his opponents (who ended up dead anyway when the Islamists took over, but might have swung the popular revolt).

A negotiated transfer of power was also an option - again, until the Shah left, the military backed his regime. The collapse was not inevitable until he fled the country. A more orderly transition to a western-style democracy might have been possible.

None of that was even attempted. The US stood by and let everything play out... and we can see the result with hindsight's 20/20 clarity.
 
2012-09-13 12:29:36 PM

Sliding Carp: OldManDownDRoad: AverageAmericanGuy: advex101: Is it too much of a fact load to point out that the Embassy is in Tripoli. The facility in Benghazi is a consulate. Kind of like a field office.

Americans don't really understand that kind of stuff. Most never leave their home county.

Nonsense. There's 50k+ in Afghanistan this very minute.

I bet they're not the ones on the internet, jibber-jabbering about how the intricacies of diplomatic missions and diplomatic mission security ought to work, if only the people in charge would be smart enough to ask their completely uninformed opinion.


Heh. There's at least one person here posting from Kabul - although from AUAF, not the diplomatic compound.

But you have to remember that most of the folks only get their news from the so-called major media, which means they are either hearing "Dear Leader Osama is calming the restless natives with the mere wave of his hand" or "Evil socialist Kenyan is destroying American interests around the globe" so you can't really blame them.

Luckily, both AlJazeera and the BBC - not to mention AFP, Moscow Times, der Spiegel, et al, - have internet feeds if anyone is curious about what's happening in the world other than Hollywood gossip.
 
2012-09-13 12:30:57 PM

SeismicJizzer: It is hard to predict what will set off Muslim nations, this time its about a movie that no one has ever heard of and these douchebags whipped themselves into a frenzy, created by asinine coonts for political gain.

One thing for sure is the leadership in Egypt doesn't have the cojones to quell the Islamists, it is going to be fun to see that country slowly rot in the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood.

I have always thought the Middle East is a rotten part of the world that should be shunned from the International community, that includes Israel.

These backward, feckless people deserve to be left to rot...


Thinking of this as "Muslims getting murderous over a film" is incorrect. These outbursts are directed events, and behind them lie what amount to hate-groups, using their members and resources to create chaotic situations, then exploit them. In the West we have hate groups, but we also have orgs like the FBI and INTERPOL that spent a lot of their time infiltrating, monitoring, and disrupting those hate groups, rendering them mostly impotent. In the Near East, and particularly in countries like Libya or Egypt that are in periods of transition, those sorts of police organizations either don't exist, are compromised, or are occasionally called off such work by governments hoping to use such groups for their own purposes. If there's a complaint to be made about the region here it's that most Near Eastern states, for a variety of reasons, due a very poor job of reeling in demagogues.

Regarding the event in Cairo, of course Morsi isn't going to do anything about it openly; he's allied with the MB and the people behind the raid are likely MB associates as well. Going after them openly would threaten their political coalition, so anything the Egyptian gov does in response to this will be either preventative or under the table. I find it rather unlikely that nothing at all will be done though, because Egypt still relies heavily on the US for military and commercial support, and because the US is currently guarantor of the Egyptian military's soft-touch in politics. Morsi and his gov realize as well as anyone that if US gov opinion about civilian rule changes, then the likelihood of a military coup followed by a return to a military dictatorship goes up.

Regarding the events in Benghazi; that wasn't a spontaneous riot, it was a concerted assault upon our embassy by religious militias. It was a military attack, likely one in the works for quite a while. As such, it didn't arise out of some generalized hysteria that Muslims are prone to, but rather out of the specific goals and desires of identifiable actors in a lightly and chaotically governed state we just finished smashing to bits not a year ago. Like I was writing at the time, invasions have consequences, and one of them is that some of the people who live there are not going to be happy about it and they're going to come after you for it, sooner or later. These sorts of organizations can operate wherever government is weak and animus exists to motivate the act; there is nothing exclusively Muslim about them just as there is nothing exclusively Muslim about the ability demagogues have to whip people into a fury and organize violence via the social organizations they are part of. As a good non-Near Eastern example, we Americans invaded Iraq and caused there a decade of tragedy and hardship due to our own susceptibility to the lies of unscrupulous men preying on our fear and desire for retribution. Americans may not have gone into the streets and, at the direction of provocateurs, lynched Muslim-seeming fellow citizens, but there are a few million dead Iraqis whose corpses well attest to just how deadly our more measured, procedurally expressed outrage can be.

I understand why you're angry, but dehumanizing fantasies aren't going to help us prevent this sort of thing, or find the people ultimately responsible.
 
2012-09-13 12:32:23 PM
Chill out everyone, 0bama has this one so handled, he jet'd off to a fund raiser in Las Vegas, where he compared his campaign volunteers to a dead diplomat, while collecting his silver coins.

I am officially speechless.
 
2012-09-13 12:35:15 PM
A lightly-secured "interim facility?" Sounds like "CIA safe house" to me.
 
2012-09-13 12:36:27 PM

tereklusec: oeneus: There are many missions that have no Marine presence and Marines, when present, protect information not personnel. Embassy and consulate protection is the responsibility of the host government.

Marines, like all armed forces, protect whatever you tell them to. And they protect it well, with violence if necessary.


We do the "break stuff and kill people" better than any other branch of service.
 
2012-09-13 12:38:58 PM
Was wondering how long it would take before "ZOMG we have troops everywhere" turned into "ZOMG we dont have enough troops everywhere".  Looks like it took 4 people being killed. You know what they say, lessons not learned in blood are often soon forgotten
 
2012-09-13 12:44:21 PM

X-boxershorts: KanedaJD: X-boxershorts: KanedaJD: This POST was gross negligence on our MY part.


Corrected

/Well....it was!

Cute

Well, hey....you could have cited evidence supporting your claim.

Without citing evidence, your comment was just more of the same inflammatory nonsense making up 99% of the thread.

/Ain't FARK great?


Hey Shortsucker, which alt are you using today?
 
2012-09-13 12:47:51 PM

X-boxershorts: KanedaJD: X-boxershorts: KanedaJD: X-boxershorts: KanedaJD: This POST was gross negligence on our MY part.


Corrected

/Well....it was!

Cute

Well, hey....you could have cited evidence supporting your claim.

Without citing evidence, your comment was just more of the same inflammatory nonsense making up 99% of the thread.

/Ain't FARK great?

Think real hard about what happened in Libya recently.

I have, as a veteran and now as a taxpayer. I wonder the same about you.


As I have stated in the past, you lying scumbag, quit calling yourself a veteran.

Playing Halo doesn't make you a soldier.
 
2012-09-13 01:02:09 PM

ha-ha-guy: I'm a former MSG and what oeneus said is more or less correct. The top of our list is "Destroy the following shiat in the event of an embassy breach". Moving beyond that our goal is to support the State Department in their goals long term diplomatic goals, not mow down crowds with .50 caliber fire. Mass killings tend to put a chill a diplomacy and create long term problems. Had Marine Security Guards been there they likely would have been busy destroying stuff, fighting fires, and moving staff to safe rooms. There really isn't an "empty the armory and kill hundreds of people" page in the security guard book. The State Department is pissed about the dead staff, they'd be even more pissed had the locals been massacred. Sometimes your the unit that gets to be the first ashore (read: 90% causality rate) and sometimes your the State Department worker who buys the farm for being in a hostile environment. No one likes to admit it, but sometimes a platoon or two of dead Americans are better than the alternative in the long run.


If you're not there to protect Americans, then anyone in the army is just another goon with a gun.
 
2012-09-13 01:08:56 PM

ha-ha-guy: Our primary purpose in life to protect classified stuff. Ensure it isn't stolen, ensure it doesn't fall into enemy hands, etc. At my posts we never did personal protection, if the State Department wants you to have bodyguard detail they'll issue you one. The extent at which was protected people was some individuals had classified information in their skulls, thus protecting the information entailed protecting them. Which meant for you example you dragged the ambassador to the safe room and threw him in there


Wouldn't it be safer to just shoot him yourself?

Seeing as protecting classified information was a higher priority than the life expectancy of your co-workers. For that matter, why even be armed? You could do the job with a zippo and a magnet.
 
2012-09-13 01:31:42 PM
unmotivationalposters.com

This guy predicted it.
 
2012-09-13 01:35:28 PM

Slam1263: X-boxershorts: KanedaJD: X-boxershorts: KanedaJD: X-boxershorts: KanedaJD: This POST was gross negligence on our MY part.


Corrected

/Well....it was!

Cute

Well, hey....you could have cited evidence supporting your claim.

Without citing evidence, your comment was just more of the same inflammatory nonsense making up 99% of the thread.

/Ain't FARK great?

Think real hard about what happened in Libya recently.

I have, as a veteran and now as a taxpayer. I wonder the same about you.

As I have stated in the past, you lying scumbag, quit calling yourself a veteran.

Playing Halo doesn't make you a soldier.


What? I was never a soldier. I am USN, served aboard USS Lawrence DDG4 81-84. Rate was FTM4
I ran the missile computer system out of missile plot,
 
2012-09-13 01:37:48 PM

Slam1263: X-boxershorts: KanedaJD: X-boxershorts: KanedaJD: This POST was gross negligence on our MY part.


Corrected

/Well....it was!

Cute

Well, hey....you could have cited evidence supporting your claim.

Without citing evidence, your comment was just more of the same inflammatory nonsense making up 99% of the thread.

/Ain't FARK great?

Hey Shortsucker, which alt are you using today?


I have no alt. Are you confusing me for someone else?
 
2012-09-13 01:40:58 PM
What we need here is some strong condemnation!
 
2012-09-13 01:50:09 PM

OldManDownDRoad: Heh. There's at least one person here posting from Kabul - although from AUAF, not the diplomatic compound.


This has been a very interesting thread for me. There's a very distinct dichotomy between the ITG jibberjabber and the actual explanations from experience. That kind of thing isn't usually as recognizable on the popular threads.
 
2012-09-13 01:56:09 PM

This text is now purple: ha-ha-guy: Our primary purpose in life to protect classified stuff. Ensure it isn't stolen, ensure it doesn't fall into enemy hands, etc. At my posts we never did personal protection, if the State Department wants you to have bodyguard detail they'll issue you one. The extent at which was protected people was some individuals had classified information in their skulls, thus protecting the information entailed protecting them. Which meant for you example you dragged the ambassador to the safe room and threw him in there

Wouldn't it be safer to just shoot him yourself?

Seeing as protecting classified information was a higher priority than the life expectancy of your co-workers. For that matter, why even be armed? You could do the job with a zippo and a magnet.


This is kind of amusing in that upthread we had a State Department contractor basically go "Yeah we realized we were on our own and expected it" (to paraphrase). If the government wants you have a bodyguard they'll issue you one. Everyone else understand how it works, the onus is on them to get their ass to the safe area as the cavalry is likely not in the immediate vicinity.

As for shooting Americans, I assumed that's what the dude who works for the CIA is there for. He likely had a list. I needed the gun to stop people from walking off with the items because my fat donut eating ass was way too lazy and out of shape to tackle them.
 
2012-09-13 02:10:02 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
or what?
 
2012-09-13 02:24:23 PM

Thunderpipes: Hope the family sues the US government.


Why would you hope that?

I'm interested to know what you think that would accomplish specifically, and why you think that is the most appropriate action.
 
2012-09-13 02:35:11 PM

1nsanilicious: Maybe Obama would have if he attended his intelligence reviews instead of requesting bear hugs from pizza shop owners for campaign fodder.


Stupid or trolling? Stupid or trolling? Hmm...I'm gonna have to go with...stupid.
 
2012-09-13 02:45:32 PM
Meanwhile . . . .

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2012-09-13 02:49:48 PM
It would have been good for the author to have read up on the difference between a consulate and an embassy. Consulates typically are relatively small administrative offices, and there may be many of them in a single country (usually in cities where they can serve tourists or business people from their home country). An embassy is the seat of the government's official representative to the host country, and is a much bigger deal. I've never seen a consulate that had any guards at all--usually they look like small business offices or nice houses. But then I've never traveled in North Africa or the Middle East.
 
2012-09-13 02:50:28 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Thunderpipes: Hope the family sues the US government.

Why would you hope that?

I'm interested to know what you think that would accomplish specifically, and why you think that is the most appropriate action.


Because if it were my family members gunned down because Hopey McChangebutt didn't want to offend anyone by having actual troops protecting diplomats, I would be really pissed. I am pissed now. Guy was a World of Tanks player too, and I played against him. Video gamer, gunned down in cold blood. Sad.

Seriously, what were people thinking, 4 Libyan security guards? Really? That is just dumb.
 
2012-09-13 03:02:14 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Gumaraid: HotWingConspiracy: Gumaraid: Welcome to Obama's brave new world where we all sing kumbaya while our enemies burn the house down around us.

Tomorrow you'll be calling him a monster again for having a kill list.

No. I've already said that. He is a murderer for authorizing the execution of Americans without trial by jury. Unlike you I don't let my politics interfere with my sense of right and wrong.

So, he's doing too much while he does nothing.

Cognitive dissonance isn't treated as a preexisting condition anymore. Please get help.


Ahhh the liberal mind. It never ceases to amaze in it's ability to feign intelligence when to all who see it is but a monkey fapping to the crowd at a zoo. So, let me get this straight; it's ok by you if foreign countries allow the murder of our citizens without fear of reprisal and it's ok if the President targets Americans for murder by missile without due process as long as he is a liberal and bites his upper lip when he pulls the trigger? And you see both of these scenarios as somehow opposites of each other? Unfortunately there is no help for you.
 
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