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2012-09-13 04:12:45 PM

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Oh wait, he's making Obama look bad? Clearly Captain America is a Racist Nazi.


I am laughing very hard at the level distorted thinking, cognitive dissonance, smug douchebaggery and outright stupidity necessary for you to even begin to think that Captain America would ever have anything but contempt for Mitt Romney's response to these events, to say nothing of the larger GOP platform of homophobia, xenophobia, religious intolerance and general contempt for anyone worse of than themselves.

Please, keep it up. You are more than welcome to continue delivering sick burns to yourself in that manner. I can use the laughs.
 
2012-09-13 04:20:35 PM

mrshowrules: I suggest "Why is Obama allowing Libyan officials to control this investigation when clearly the US should be leading it?" followed by fist pumping and laughing hysterically.


I also imagine him dry-humping the air and yelling "whoo!" a lot for some reason.
 
2012-09-13 04:22:34 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Every time I watch it I want to like, get involved in politics for real


I would love to work there *any*way*, but I swear to anything holy that any time someone posts Charley meets the president, (or, for that matter, any of a number of others) I realize I'd give a number of organs of -great- personal value to work in *any* capacity in the White House close enough to the President to play basketball with him. And, no, at 6'6", I *wouldn't* let him dunk on me. ; )

I know it's Hollywood and all, but the conversations, decisions, stress and joy (that last one is probably pretty rare) in that institution would be an unbelievable experience.

Call me, B-Rock! I'm reasonably good with computers, ok with words (I'll find the typo before the release hits the press, I promise you that), have been known to work 100+ hour weeks, and can reach stuff on the top shelf... and I'm not a ball hog!

/ might have to head off to the torrents or the eBays for a used set...
// and try again, futilely, if there's any interesting openings posted
 
2012-09-13 04:24:29 PM

Lando Lincoln: mrshowrules: I suggest "Why is Obama allowing Libyan officials to control this investigation when clearly the US should be leading it?" followed by fist pumping and laughing hysterically.

I also imagine him dry-humping the air and yelling "whoo!" a lot for some reason.


Did you also see a dark spot forming in the crotch part of his pants because I'm getting that also.
 
2012-09-13 04:27:27 PM

Carn: mrshowrules: Carn: Meanwhile, one day later...

Another opportunity for Mittney to should himself in the foot.

I suggest "Why is Obama allowing Libyan officials to control this investigation when clearly the US should be leading it?" followed by fist pumping and laughing hysterically.

Or "Why did it take a whole entire day for these people to be caught! This is an outrage!"

We're joking but you know we're going to see links to blogs with exactly this kind of tone tomorrow...


I think they will go with "If they caught them so quickly they obviously knew who they were ahead of time and what they were planning. Why did Obama let them proceed with their plans?"
 
2012-09-13 04:31:37 PM
Bush advisors trying to paint Obama as a failure?

Color me shocked.

It's not like our friendly dictators exactly prevented the rise of AQAP and its North African affiliates.
 
2012-09-13 04:31:45 PM

mrshowrules: what_now: *sadly Aaron Sorkin got used to be told he was brilliant, and now writes utter crap.

Thanks for the explanation. Only ever saw clips of West Wing but he still has moments of brilliance in Newsroom. The filler between those moments is very lame though.


Download it and watch it all the way through. It is one of the best TV shows ever made. The writing and acting is excellent, remarkably accurate (though the sets were in many cases nicer than the real West Wing), and the production value is incredibly high. Besides being great entertainment, it is probably the best look at how the White House ever. Better than any memoir or insider tell all, really. It's idealistic about many things and doesn't make room for everything, but it covers a whole hell of a lot, and at a pretty complex level. Watching it all the way through is a college level course on civics, IMO, and this coming from a guy who does have a degree in this stuff.

Also, I was reminded of just how good a sequence this is, especially in the context of the current presidency. For context, Bartlett had just ordered the CIA to assassinate the Defense Minister of a foreign government, who he had met with that day, who had been supporting terrorist groups. This comes right after the exchange the thread's title references. The West Wing has a lot of those great musical closings- In Excelsis Deo comes to mind.
 
2012-09-13 04:34:10 PM

cptjeff: mrshowrules: what_now: *sadly Aaron Sorkin got used to be told he was brilliant, and now writes utter crap.

Thanks for the explanation. Only ever saw clips of West Wing but he still has moments of brilliance in Newsroom. The filler between those moments is very lame though.

Download it and watch it all the way through. It is one of the best TV shows ever made. The writing and acting is excellent, remarkably accurate (though the sets were in many cases nicer than the real West Wing), and the production value is incredibly high. Besides being great entertainment, it is probably the best look at how the White House ever. Better than any memoir or insider tell all, really. It's idealistic about many things and doesn't make room for everything, but it covers a whole hell of a lot, and at a pretty complex level. Watching it all the way through is a college level course on civics, IMO, and this coming from a guy who does have a degree in this stuff.

Also, I was reminded of just how good a sequence this is, especially in the context of the current presidency. For context, Bartlett had just ordered the CIA to assassinate the Defense Minister of a foreign government, who he had met with that day, who had been supporting terrorist groups. This comes right after the exchange the thread's title references. The West Wing has a lot of those great musical closings- In Excelsis Deo comes to mind.


I'm sold. I'll check Netflix tonight.
 
2012-09-13 04:36:26 PM

mrshowrules: cptjeff: mrshowrules: what_now: *sadly Aaron Sorkin got used to be told he was brilliant, and now writes utter crap.

Thanks for the explanation. Only ever saw clips of West Wing but he still has moments of brilliance in Newsroom. The filler between those moments is very lame though.

Download it and watch it all the way through. It is one of the best TV shows ever made. The writing and acting is excellent, remarkably accurate (though the sets were in many cases nicer than the real West Wing), and the production value is incredibly high. Besides being great entertainment, it is probably the best look at how the White House ever. Better than any memoir or insider tell all, really. It's idealistic about many things and doesn't make room for everything, but it covers a whole hell of a lot, and at a pretty complex level. Watching it all the way through is a college level course on civics, IMO, and this coming from a guy who does have a degree in this stuff.

Also, I was reminded of just how good a sequence this is, especially in the context of the current presidency. For context, Bartlett had just ordered the CIA to assassinate the Defense Minister of a foreign government, who he had met with that day, who had been supporting terrorist groups. This comes right after the exchange the thread's title references. The West Wing has a lot of those great musical closings- In Excelsis Deo comes to mind.

I'm sold. I'll check Netflix tonight.


Netflix doesn't stream it, but they undoubtedly have the DVD versions.

Amazon Prime / Amazon Streaming has it, though.

/tragically there's still no BluRay version, which is a modern travesty if I've ever seen one
 
2012-09-13 04:38:27 PM

SFSailor: EighthDay: Not there as far as I can see.

Just don't get it. It's old. There's plenty of old tv shows on there, so it's not like that's different. It's political. There's plenty of political material on there.

It really should be on there. YouTube clip hopping is unsatisfying, and I don't like having to choose between "be criminal" and "can't watch something that should be readily available."

Really wonder what the hangup is.

I mean, seriously... "A SECWET PWAN TO FIGHT INFWATION?!" That's just gold.

And if there's any Farker who hasn't seen Josh getting trolled and try to fight a flamewar...

"What Josh doesn't know is that some of these people haven't taken their medication..."

"SO FAR UP YOUR ASS!"

Yeah, it's clipped together by an over-eager YouTuber, but still. Almost willing to bet there was a Farker in the writing room.


can't. breathe. send help
 
2012-09-13 04:47:56 PM

InmanRoshi: John Bolton - Just barely relevant enough to appear on AM Talk Radio to throw firebombs inbetweenst Herbalife and Cash For Gold commercials to an audience of chronically unemployed illiterate long haul truckers.


Whatchu mean, illiterate truckers?

i865.photobucket.com

* Saw this on a Kenworth rig on the Interstate, the truck is from Alabama.
 
2012-09-13 04:49:01 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats:
/tragically there's still no BluRay version, which is a modern travesty if I've ever seen one


What's there to gain, exactly? Wasn't it shot for TV in 3/4 aspect ratio anyway?
 
2012-09-13 04:50:04 PM

Commander Lysdexic: Bartlet: Apparently, I've arranged for an honor guard for somebody.
Toby: Yes, sir. I'm sorry.
Bartlet: No no. Just tell me, is there anything else I've arranged for? We're still in NATO right?
Toby: Yes, sir.
Bartlet: What's going on?
Toby: A homeless man died last night; a Korean War veteran, who was wearing a coat that I gave to the Goodwill. It had my card in it.
Bartlet: Toby, you're not responsible for ...
Toby: An hour and twenty minutes for the ambulance to get there. A Lance Corporal, United States Marine Corps, Second of the Seventh. The guy got better treatment at Panmunjom.
Bartlet: Toby, if we start pulling strings like this, you don't think every homeless veteran would come out of the woodworks?
Toby: I can only hope, sir.


Got all dusty in here suddenly.
 
2012-09-13 04:54:39 PM

mrshowrules: Carn: mrshowrules: Carn: Meanwhile, one day later...

Another opportunity for Mittney to should himself in the foot.

I suggest "Why is Obama allowing Libyan officials to control this investigation when clearly the US should be leading it?" followed by fist pumping and laughing hysterically.

Or "Why did it take a whole entire day for these people to be caught! This is an outrage!"

We're joking but you know we're going to see links to blogs with exactly this kind of tone tomorrow...

I think they will go with "If they caught them so quickly they obviously knew who they were ahead of time and what they were planning. Why did Obama let them proceed with their plans?"


Winner. Proof that Libya's not our ally, Obama's a terrible leader, and Muslims can't be trusted. That's the obvious spin.

Second place- and I'd bet money on at LEAST one of these being greened- is that the people who were arrested are simply patsys to allow Libya to save face.
 
2012-09-13 05:15:20 PM

astro716: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats:
/tragically there's still no BluRay version, which is a modern travesty if I've ever seen one

What's there to gain, exactly? Wasn't it shot for TV in 3/4 aspect ratio anyway?


First two seasons yes, but it was widescreen for the rest of the show. Most TV stations broadcast it in 4:3 when they aired it though, since HD TVs were still rare when it was going out. 

The entire show was also shot on film stock rather than the much cheaper lower quality stuff they normally use for TV (well, it's all digital now)- you could get quite a lot out of a blue ray upgrade.
 
2012-09-13 05:17:27 PM

sprawl15: theorellior: serpent_sky: Mitt Romney is giving a campaign speech right now, and he's smiling and being glib while talking about the people who were killed in the attack, and just said "I would offer a moment of silence, but one gentleman doesn't want to be silent, so we'll just keep on going" while basking in people chanting his name.

Wow. Just wow.

We're seeing an implosion on a national scale. And it's all because Romney is being Romney.

I will be very sad if the implosion hits hard enough to make him not go to the debates.


That will never happen. There is absolutely no advantage for a losing challenger not to debate the incumbent.

Of course, at this point it seems clear that Obama is going clean Romney's clock during said debates. I expect a complete meltdown by Romney in at least one of them.
 
2012-09-13 05:24:15 PM

Geotpf: sprawl15: theorellior: serpent_sky: Mitt Romney is giving a campaign speech right now, and he's smiling and being glib while talking about the people who were killed in the attack, and just said "I would offer a moment of silence, but one gentleman doesn't want to be silent, so we'll just keep on going" while basking in people chanting his name.

Wow. Just wow.

We're seeing an implosion on a national scale. And it's all because Romney is being Romney.

I will be very sad if the implosion hits hard enough to make him not go to the debates.

That will never happen. There is absolutely no advantage for a losing challenger not to debate the incumbent.

Of course, at this point it seems clear that Obama is going clean Romney's clock during said debates. I expect a complete meltdown by Romney in at least one of them.


I've already got one of those giant tins with three types of coated popcorn on order. The debates are gonna be must watch TV.
 
2012-09-13 05:26:01 PM

TV's Vinnie: [images.politico.com image 605x328]

NOW Hillary knows how Obama would handle that "call at 3 AM".

Answer: LIKE A BOSS!!


I hated her during the primaries, but I now must admit, though, she has been the best secretary of state during my lifetime, IMHO. She clearly could handle said call as well and I can see why she thought (wrongly) that Obama couldn't. One example of Obama's maturity was that he recoginized that she would be good in that position, even after the brutal primary, and one example of her maturity is that she accepted the position.
 
2012-09-13 05:34:04 PM

hubiestubert: Keep talking Mitt. Just keep talking.

At this point, it's like watching Persians being drawn out to attack a retreating line of infantry, and suddenly realizing after they get there, that the cavalry has encircled them. He KEEPS running his mouth, instead of actually considering what to say before he gets the podium.

If the man can't even keep discipline in a campaign like this, how in the Hells do we expect him to actually run our government? Don't get me wrong, he has a lot of folks who stay on message, even when faced with idiocy at the podium, but there is a difference in backing your man no matter how stupid he gets, and actually leading. The shills are paid to generate support, but that is different than actually running the government, and having policies that work. There is a point where even a captive press has to look at a candidate and objectively assess their policies.


Romney's campaign is a disaster. Logically enough, it is clear to me that, during the last three presidential elections at a minimum (plus this one), the candidate who was the better campaigner won (this includes Bush in 2000).
 
2012-09-13 05:42:42 PM

vpb: People will be talking about this through the end of the year. People will be bringing it up when they analyze Romney's defeat.


Yup.

It's not going to cause a massive swing against Romney but:

i) The press are pretty disgusted with Romney. Having the press think you are a piece of shiat in an election is not an advantage.

ii) There are very few true swing voters out there. Most people already have selected the party they want to vote for for president. Although people who have already decided could be persuaded to change their mind it is pretty hard to do so, and running political attack ads are really quite ineffective.

However Romney's farkwittery of the past couple of days is a thing that will make some (not many, but some) Republicans to change their mind about voting for him, as well as cementing Obama's support.

It won't be a huge change, but it will be a permanent swing from Romney to Obama of somewhere between 1/4 and 1%. That change will also probably take a couple of weeks to work through the polls, as people have quite high inertia and will say that they'll still vote for Romney, before they realise that he's such an asshole they can't actually bear to vote for him.

Seeing as Obama already has a massive lead, by the end of September it could be pretty obvious to everyone that Romney has no chance.
 
2012-09-13 06:03:39 PM

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Oh wait, he's making Obama look bad? Clearly Captain America is a Racist Nazi.


"This is a lighthouse. Your call."
 
2012-09-13 06:07:41 PM

astro716: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats:
/tragically there's still no BluRay version, which is a modern travesty if I've ever seen one

What's there to gain, exactly? Wasn't it shot for TV in 3/4 aspect ratio anyway?


As far as I know, it was shot on film but edited to 4:3 for TV in the first 3 or so seasons. After a while it switches to letterbox but I can't remember exactly which episode that happens at.
 
2012-09-13 06:11:56 PM

somedude210: SphericalTime: Really? It was "and you get tax cuts, and you get tax cuts, and YOU get tax cuts . . ." for me.

true, but the President really didn't come out swinging until Romney tried to drag him down with the attack on an embassy and then smiled as he talked about it


Not smiled - smirked. He saw this as a politically exploitable moment, and internally giggled with glee. That glee crept out as that friggin' smirk. You could see the thought writ plain as day on his face: "Sweet! This is my moment! I can hammer Obama, thanks to some dead guy in Libya!"

The man actually took pleasure in the fact that he thought he could turn this moment to benefit himself, and couldn't even fake true remorse for the fact that, apparently, religious extremists from one religion killed a U.S. ambassador because of a movie made by a religious extremist from a different religion.

The man is clearly unfit to be around other people, never mind governing the last remaining superpower on the friggin' planet.
 
2012-09-13 06:16:08 PM

cptjeff: In Excelsis Deo comes to mind.


That is one of the finest sequences shown on television, ever, imho. Thanks for posting it, as it seems there are others who haven't seen it. Between Mrs.Landingham asking to come along and "I can only hope, Sir." I don't care *where* you are on the political spectrum, from derpspew right to derpspew left, if that doesn't get ya'.... and I'm usually put off by heavy-handed music use.

lysdexic: can't. breathe. send help


Heh. Yeah, I think there are a fair number of us who have been in the "BUT THEY'RE WRONG!" position. And remember, this was written / aired when "posting on the Internet" was something mostly freaks and the IT people (but I repeat myself) tended to do.

"SO FAR UP YOUR ASS!"

Many also love rebutting a religious "scholar" with the bible and I, personally, love the quest for the turkey-carving knife Charley has to endure, and its resolution, but can't seem to find the scene clip package I saw once.

Anyway, great show, particularly because it mixed, "I hope so, Sir," and "SO FAR UP YOUR ASS!" in a great balance.
 
2012-09-13 06:16:13 PM

Danack: However Romney's farkwittery of the past couple of days is a thing that will make some (not many, but some) Republicans to change their mind about voting for him, as well as cementing Obama's support.


This. The sad part is that this isn't "Romney making a mistake" - it's "Romney being himself." The mask slipped, and we saw his true face.

He's a guy that's quite happy to exploit the misery and pain of others - whether it be hundreds of employees fired to ensure his vulture capitalism turned a tidy profit, or a U.S. ambassador killed by religious extremists as a reaction to a hateful little movie produced right here - if it benefits himself.

He doesn't give a rat's ass about you - only what you can do for him. He'd happily throw you to the wolves if he can turn enough profit. The man's a Mormon Ferengi.
 
2012-09-13 06:17:00 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: astro716: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats:
/tragically there's still no BluRay version, which is a modern travesty if I've ever seen one

What's there to gain, exactly? Wasn't it shot for TV in 3/4 aspect ratio anyway?

As far as I know, it was shot on film but edited to 4:3 for TV in the first 3 or so seasons. After a while it switches to letterbox but I can't remember exactly which episode that happens at.


I have it on my computer with easy access- it switches between seasons 2 and 3, with Two Cathedrals as the last episode in 4:3.
 
2012-09-13 06:19:12 PM

cptjeff: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: astro716: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats:
/tragically there's still no BluRay version, which is a modern travesty if I've ever seen one

What's there to gain, exactly? Wasn't it shot for TV in 3/4 aspect ratio anyway?

As far as I know, it was shot on film but edited to 4:3 for TV in the first 3 or so seasons. After a while it switches to letterbox but I can't remember exactly which episode that happens at.

I have it on my computer with easy access- it switches between seasons 2 and 3, with Two Cathedrals as the last episode in 4:3.


Gotcha.
 
2012-09-13 06:33:11 PM

SFSailor: cptjeff: In Excelsis Deo comes to mind.

That is one of the finest sequences shown on television, ever, imho. Thanks for posting it, as it seems there are others who haven't seen it. Between Mrs.Landingham asking to come along and "I can only hope, Sir." I don't care *where* you are on the political spectrum, from derpspew right to derpspew left, if that doesn't get ya'.... and I'm usually put off by heavy-handed music use.



It was probably Sorkin who said this, but in one of the special features, somebody was talking about developing the show and the title theme, which came from a bit one of the music people came up with in the music at the end of the pilot, and it really echos with a lot of the cinematic choice throughout the show. While they were initially afraid of such an official sounding theme that could come off as pretentious, they found that the subject matter of the show could really support it. When you're making a fairly serious show about the American Presidency, you can use cinematography and music that would come of as incredibly pompous in a crime or hospital drama. You could not use those big, musical cuts in ER, for example, without having everybody laugh at you.

That's part of the greatness of the show, IMO. The subject, plots and acting are substantial enough to where cinematic ruffles and flourishes seem absolutely appropriate and elevate the show, rather than coming across as self important and ridiculous. If they tried something like that on Dr. Who, I'd probably throw something at the TV. But when your show involves the near regal grandeur or the Presidency, you can't cut it like Scrubs.
 
2012-09-13 06:46:07 PM
Ready. Fire. Aim.


Fits perfectly on a bumper sticker.
 
2012-09-13 06:49:33 PM

somedude210: Huck And Molly Ziegler: quatchi: Plus 1 purely for the WW headline.

Love that episode.

/Let Obama be Obama.

Plus 1 for this person's Plus 1.
Thanks for the memories, headline-writer!

/babies come with hats.

thank you kindly. I quite enjoyed writing this headline

/subby


You should know that there is a game in the works that is written by a tWW writer. He had it for play at Gencon.

It looks awesome. I've got you favorited and will send more info when I have it.
 
2012-09-13 06:54:35 PM
Actually ... This is the part of an episode that this whole thing reminds me of.

(Someone said it in another thread, but I cant find it at the moment)


Bartlet: Did you know that two thousand years ago a Roman citizen could walk across the face of the known world free of the fear of molestation? He could walk across the Earth unharmed, cloaked only in the protection of the words civis Romanus -- I am a Roman citizen. So great was the retribution of Rome, universally certain, should any harm befall even one of its citizens. Where was Morris's protection, or anybody else on that airplane? Where was the retribution for the families, and where is the warning to the rest of the world that Americans shall walk this Earth unharmed, lest the clenched fist of the most mighty military force in the history of mankind comes crashing down on your house?! In other words, Leo, what the hell are we doing here?!
Leo: We are behaving the way a superpower ought to behave.
Bartlet: Well our behavior has produced some crappy results, in fact I'm not a hundred per cent sure it hasn't induced it.
Leo: What are you talking about?
Bartlet: I'm talking about two hundred and eighty-six American marines in Beirut, I'm talking about Somalia, I'm talking about Nairobi-
Leo: And you think ratcheting up the body count's gonna act as a deterrent?
Bartlet: You're damn right I-
Leo: Oh, then you are just as stupid as these guys who think capital punishment is going to be a deterrent for drug kingpins. As if drug kingpins didn't live their day to day lives under the possibility of execution, and their executions are a lot less dainty than ours and tend to take place without the bother and expense of due process. So, my friend, if you want to start using American military strength as the arm of the Lord, you can do that. We're the only superpower left. You can conquer the world, like Charlemagne! But you better be prepared to kill everyone. And you better start with me, because I will raise up an army against you and I will beat you!
Bartlet: He had a ten day old baby at home.
Leo: I know.
Bartlet: We are doing nothing.
Leo: We are not doing nothing.
Bartlet: We're destroying-
Leo: Four high-rated military targets!
Bartlet: And this is good?
Leo: Of course it's not good. There is no good. It's what there is! It's how you behave if you're the most powerful nation in the world. It's proportional, it's reasonable, it's responsible, it's merciful! It's not nothing. Four high-rated military targets.
Bartlet: Which they'll rebuild again in six months.
Leo: Then we'll blow 'em up again in six months! We're getting really good at it... It's what our fathers taught us.
Bartlet: Why didn't you say so? Oh, Leo...when I think of all the work you put in to get me to run and all the work you did to get me elected...I could pummel your ass with a baseball bat.
 
2012-09-13 07:14:18 PM

SFSailor: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Every time I watch it I want to like, get involved in politics for real

I would love to work there *any*way*, but I swear to anything holy that any time someone posts Charley meets the president, (or, for that matter, any of a number of others) I realize I'd give a number of organs of -great- personal value to work in *any* capacity in the White House close enough to the President to play basketball with him. And, no, at 6'6", I *wouldn't* let him dunk on me. ; )

I know it's Hollywood and all, but the conversations, decisions, stress and joy (that last one is probably pretty rare) in that institution would be an unbelievable experience.

Call me, B-Rock! I'm reasonably good with computers, ok with words (I'll find the typo before the release hits the press, I promise you that), have been known to work 100+ hour weeks, and can reach stuff on the top shelf... and I'm not a ball hog!

/ might have to head off to the torrents or the eBays for a used set...
// and try again, futilely, if there's any interesting openings posted


when I run for office, (assuming you're in the MA area) come work for me. Help me change the world
 
2012-09-13 07:27:20 PM

Shadow Blasko: somedude210: Huck And Molly Ziegler: quatchi: Plus 1 purely for the WW headline.

Love that episode.

/Let Obama be Obama.

Plus 1 for this person's Plus 1.
Thanks for the memories, headline-writer!

/babies come with hats.

thank you kindly. I quite enjoyed writing this headline

/subby

You should know that there is a game in the works that is written by a tWW writer. He had it for play at Gencon.

It looks awesome. I've got you favorited and will send more info when I have it.


Sorkin is doing a game? Really? like video game or board game? Somehow I can't picture him translating well to game

/I will admit, however, that I've taken his writing style when it comes to powerful speeches and dialogue
 
2012-09-13 07:33:13 PM

Citrate1007: "I've said for three-and-a-half years the president doesn't care about national security. He doesn't think the world is terribly threatening," former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton

This man doesn't know what an Ambassador does.....which is why he is a former one. The NeoCons in the GOP place war mongers in these roles because of their close ties with DoD contractors. They want international relations in chaos because it makes them rich.


Bolton is a bush league fascist.
 
2012-09-13 07:34:07 PM

somedude210: Shadow Blasko: somedude210: Huck And Molly Ziegler: quatchi: Plus 1 purely for the WW headline.

Love that episode.

/Let Obama be Obama.

Plus 1 for this person's Plus 1.
Thanks for the memories, headline-writer!

/babies come with hats.

thank you kindly. I quite enjoyed writing this headline

/subby

You should know that there is a game in the works that is written by a tWW writer. He had it for play at Gencon.

It looks awesome. I've got you favorited and will send more info when I have it.

Sorkin is doing a game? Really? like video game or board game? Somehow I can't picture him translating well to game

/I will admit, however, that I've taken his writing style when it comes to powerful speeches and dialogue


It is not Sorkin, it was one of the writers for the show. Younger guy, but the game exists in an expanded WW universe.
 
2012-09-13 07:34:41 PM

Shadow Blasko: Actually ... This is the part of an episode that this whole thing reminds me of.

(Someone said it in another thread, but I cant find it at the moment)


Bartlet: Did you know that two thousand years ago a Roman citizen could walk across the face of the known world free of the fear of molestation? He could walk across the Earth unharmed, cloaked only in the protection of the words civis Romanus -- I am a Roman citizen. So great was the retribution of Rome, universally certain, should any harm befall even one of its citizens. Where was Morris's protection, or anybody else on that airplane? Where was the retribution for the families, and where is the warning to the rest of the world that Americans shall walk this Earth unharmed, lest the clenched fist of the most mighty military force in the history of mankind comes crashing down on your house?! In other words, Leo, what the hell are we doing here?!
Leo: We are behaving the way a superpower ought to behave.
Bartlet: Well our behavior has produced some crappy results, in fact I'm not a hundred per cent sure it hasn't induced it.
Leo: What are you talking about?
Bartlet: I'm talking about two hundred and eighty-six American marines in Beirut, I'm talking about Somalia, I'm talking about Nairobi-
Leo: And you think ratcheting up the body count's gonna act as a deterrent?
Bartlet: You're damn right I-
Leo: Oh, then you are just as stupid as these guys who think capital punishment is going to be a deterrent for drug kingpins. As if drug kingpins didn't live their day to day lives under the possibility of execution, and their executions are a lot less dainty than ours and tend to take place without the bother and expense of due process. So, my friend, if you want to start using American military strength as the arm of the Lord, you can do that. We're the only superpower left. You can conquer the world, like Charlemagne! But you better be prepared to kill everyone. And you better start with me, because I will raise u ...


The West Wing was a great show. Btw, I want to be Josh so I can get lobbied by Amy

www.vanityfair.com
 
2012-09-13 07:43:31 PM

what_now: Philip Francis Queeg: Are you under the impression that nations can station whatever military forces they desire at consulates?

Um. Yes. Consulates are part of US territory.

This is INDEED a good question. It won't get asked though, because Romney's a smirking mother farker.


Find whoever told you that, and slap them. Consulates are not part of US territory. Where do people get this idea, anyway? Do you think that Russia could send an armored division to the consulates in Houston or Seattle and we'd be OK with it?

The thing that really should be discussed is that the Benghazi consulate managed to withstand the assault, saving a lot of lives and preventing hostages from being taken. Yes, four people died, including the Ambassador (who wasn't in the protected area for whatever reason), but considering that they were assaulted by enemies wielding assault rifles and RPGs, this was an excellent job by the consulate's defenders. This is not the disaster that some people want to call it.
 
2012-09-13 09:06:09 PM

somedude210: SFSailor: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Every time I watch it I want to like, get involved in politics for real

I would love to work there *any*way*, but I swear to anything holy that any time someone posts Charley meets the president, (or, for that matter, any of a number of others) I realize I'd give a number of organs of -great- personal value to work in *any* capacity in the White House close enough to the President to play basketball with him. And, no, at 6'6", I *wouldn't* let him dunk on me. ; )

I know it's Hollywood and all, but the conversations, decisions, stress and joy (that last one is probably pretty rare) in that institution would be an unbelievable experience.

Call me, B-Rock! I'm reasonably good with computers, ok with words (I'll find the typo before the release hits the press, I promise you that), have been known to work 100+ hour weeks, and can reach stuff on the top shelf... and I'm not a ball hog!

/ might have to head off to the torrents or the eBays for a used set...
// and try again, futilely, if there's any interesting openings posted

when I run for office, (assuming you're in the MA area) come work for me. Help me change the world


Stupid phone replying...

(1) cptjeff -- thanks for that... I think I just learned why the music and tone never bugged me. Your points are spot on.

(2) somedude210... well that's among the nicest offers I've had, let alone from some stranger on the innarwebz. I hope you do run -- the world needs more leaders from Fark and fewer from the tv/printing press era. As I am in Balto/DC, when you make it to DC, I hope there is some way I can help you change the world. I really do think working somehow in the govt, even just in some ancillary support way, would be incredible.

/ will be adding some favorites when I am next at a pc
// mostly so I can pester somedude into letting me help him move into his new office on The Hill at some point ; )
 
2012-09-13 09:39:56 PM

cptjeff: SFSailor: cptjeff: In Excelsis Deo comes to mind.

That is one of the finest sequences shown on television, ever, imho. Thanks for posting it, as it seems there are others who haven't seen it. Between Mrs.Landingham asking to come along and "I can only hope, Sir." I don't care *where* you are on the political spectrum, from derpspew right to derpspew left, if that doesn't get ya'.... and I'm usually put off by heavy-handed music use.


It was probably Sorkin who said this, but in one of the special features, somebody was talking about developing the show and the title theme, which came from a bit one of the music people came up with in the music at the end of the pilot, and it really echos with a lot of the cinematic choice throughout the show. While they were initially afraid of such an official sounding theme that could come off as pretentious, they found that the subject matter of the show could really support it. When you're making a fairly serious show about the American Presidency, you can use cinematography and music that would come of as incredibly pompous in a crime or hospital drama. You could not use those big, musical cuts in ER, for example, without having everybody laugh at you.

That's part of the greatness of the show, IMO. The subject, plots and acting are substantial enough to where cinematic ruffles and flourishes seem absolutely appropriate and elevate the show, rather than coming across as self important and ridiculous. If they tried something like that on Dr. Who, I'd probably throw something at the TV. But when your show involves the near regal grandeur or the Presidency, you can't cut it like Scrubs.


And the theme itself has unintentional moments of greatness. I want to say it's like 7x17, really late, the episode that starts with all the campaign staff pairing off the night before the election. It's sex, sex, sex, glorious fanfare. Hilarious.
 
2012-09-13 09:50:29 PM

Bucky Katt: Shadow Blasko: Actually ... This is the part of an episode that this whole thing reminds me of.

(Someone said it in another thread, but I cant find it at the moment)


Bartlet: Did you know that two thousand years ago a Roman citizen could walk across the face of the known world free of the fear of molestation? He could walk across the Earth unharmed, cloaked only in the protection of the words civis Romanus -- I am a Roman citizen. So great was the retribution of Rome, universally certain, should any harm befall even one of its citizens. Where was Morris's protection, or anybody else on that airplane? Where was the retribution for the families, and where is the warning to the rest of the world that Americans shall walk this Earth unharmed, lest the clenched fist of the most mighty military force in the history of mankind comes crashing down on your house?! In other words, Leo, what the hell are we doing here?!
Leo: We are behaving the way a superpower ought to behave.
Bartlet: Well our behavior has produced some crappy results, in fact I'm not a hundred per cent sure it hasn't induced it.
Leo: What are you talking about?
Bartlet: I'm talking about two hundred and eighty-six American marines in Beirut, I'm talking about Somalia, I'm talking about Nairobi-
Leo: And you think ratcheting up the body count's gonna act as a deterrent?
Bartlet: You're damn right I-
Leo: Oh, then you are just as stupid as these guys who think capital punishment is going to be a deterrent for drug kingpins. As if drug kingpins didn't live their day to day lives under the possibility of execution, and their executions are a lot less dainty than ours and tend to take place without the bother and expense of due process. So, my friend, if you want to start using American military strength as the arm of the Lord, you can do that. We're the only superpower left. You can conquer the world, like Charlemagne! But you better be prepared to kill everyone. And you better start with me, because ...


Wow that might be the creepiest shop I've ever seen
 
2012-09-13 10:26:54 PM

SFSailor: somedude210... well that's among the nicest offers I've had, let alone from some stranger on the innarwebz. I hope you do run -- the world needs more leaders from Fark and fewer from the tv/printing press era. As I am in Balto/DC, when you make it to DC, I hope there is some way I can help you change the world. I really do think working somehow in the govt, even just in some ancillary support way, would be incredible.

/ will be adding some favorites when I am next at a pc
// mostly so I can pester somedude into letting me help him move into his new office on The Hill at some point ; )


Hahaha, beacon hill first. Then the WH. Gotta start small first. You've been faved as potential help :D

/is it wrong to ask for campaign help from Fark?
//is it wronger to ask for contributions from Farkers?
///is it wrongest if slashies come in threes?
 
2012-09-13 10:27:05 PM

GAT_00: cptjeff: SFSailor: cptjeff: In Excelsis Deo comes to mind.

That is one of the finest sequences shown on television, ever, imho. Thanks for posting it, as it seems there are others who haven't seen it. Between Mrs.Landingham asking to come along and "I can only hope, Sir." I don't care *where* you are on the political spectrum, from derpspew right to derpspew left, if that doesn't get ya'.... and I'm usually put off by heavy-handed music use.


It was probably Sorkin who said this, but in one of the special features, somebody was talking about developing the show and the title theme, which came from a bit one of the music people came up with in the music at the end of the pilot, and it really echos with a lot of the cinematic choice throughout the show. While they were initially afraid of such an official sounding theme that could come off as pretentious, they found that the subject matter of the show could really support it. When you're making a fairly serious show about the American Presidency, you can use cinematography and music that would come of as incredibly pompous in a crime or hospital drama. You could not use those big, musical cuts in ER, for example, without having everybody laugh at you.

That's part of the greatness of the show, IMO. The subject, plots and acting are substantial enough to where cinematic ruffles and flourishes seem absolutely appropriate and elevate the show, rather than coming across as self important and ridiculous. If they tried something like that on Dr. Who, I'd probably throw something at the TV. But when your show involves the near regal grandeur or the Presidency, you can't cut it like Scrubs.

And the theme itself has unintentional moments of greatness. I want to say it's like 7x17, really late, the episode that starts with all the campaign staff pairing off the night before the election. It's sex, sex, sex, glorious fanfare. Hilarious.


Is that pairing off the one set to Desire where Will (iirc the name correctly) is just trying to get something out of the vending machine while everyone else is all "Bone?" "Sure."

Cuz that montage I'd lolawesomearious and sad at the same time.

/ phone quoting sucks
 
2012-09-13 10:33:35 PM

somedude210: SFSailor: somedude210... well that's among the nicest offers I've had, let alone from some stranger on the innarwebz. I hope you do run -- the world needs more leaders from Fark and fewer from the tv/printing press era. As I am in Balto/DC, when you make it to DC, I hope there is some way I can help you change the world. I really do think working somehow in the govt, even just in some ancillary support way, would be incredible.

/ will be adding some favorites when I am next at a pc
// mostly so I can pester somedude into letting me help him move into his new office on The Hill at some point ; )

Hahaha, beacon hill first. Then the WH. Gotta start small first. You've been faved as potential help :D

/is it wrong to ask for campaign help from Fark?
//is it wronger to ask for contributions from Farkers?
///is it wrongest if slashies come in threes?


No. If you're actually running for something, even though I'm broke and unemployed, I'll send your campaign $10 or so. Eip.

And there's a Farker who just got elected to something... with several main page headlines, so don't be shy... might even bug Drew if I were you. Kinda wondered if that was you, as I didn't follow it closely.

/ will practice my, "where would you like this box, Mr. Somedude?"
// Congress first, and remember your little people! ; )
 
2012-09-13 10:52:58 PM

SFSailor: No. If you're actually running for something, even though I'm broke and unemployed, I'll send your campaign $10 or so. Eip.

And there's a Farker who just got elected to something... with several main page headlines, so don't be shy... might even bug Drew if I were you. Kinda wondered if that was you, as I didn't follow it closely.

/ will practice my, "where would you like this box, Mr. Somedude?"
// Congress first, and remember your little people! ; )


Of course. Start at the state rep. at some point make a run for governor and then eventually the presidency :D

I will never remember the little people

/I'll also never smirk when discussing diplomats killed on the job
 
2012-09-13 11:25:58 PM
I literally just watched this episode for the first time

/Richie 2012!
 
2012-09-13 11:29:10 PM
You know Romney should have my vote by default-
I am- from the south, white, christian, veteran, gun owner, married, and somewhat conservative.
But no... after watching both convention speeches I decided on Obama. This, however, seals the
deal. I remember George Bush right before the Gulf War (I was in his military) and he always
sounded Presidential. I remember Clinton after the USS Cole, what a great speech. I think back
on George W. Bush after the Columbia disaster, excellent speech. Obama was great after we
got Osama bin Laden. Romney should have waited for Obama, Huntsman, or McCain. They all
sounded like leaders and got it right. One more swing state vote has been confirmed for Obama.
 
2012-09-14 12:20:50 AM
You guys do realize that no matter how much you white knight him..he won't sleep with you...right?
 
2012-09-14 03:31:38 AM

somedude210: sprawl15: I will be very sad if the implosion hits hard enough to make him not go to the debates.

if that happens then we will be looking at a Mondale level ass kicking


Landon level.
 
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