nmemkha: While the "outrage" is most likely an excuse to vent anger at the US, they producers of the film were callously negligent. Free Speech is a right, but with every right comes a responsibility. They knew there would be violence at the release of the film and yet they released it anyway. Unfortunately, its not their loved ones who are dying, but innocent people caught up in an unnecessary firestorm.

Totally agree with this, but don't go putting the fault there. The fault lies with the animals who react this way over a movie, not the movie maker himself. It's the rapist, not the low cut dress that commits the bad act.

Subby here. I thought about including a joke, but knowing the Embassy staff over there is fighting for their lives, just didn't think it was appropriate.

Romney's statement condemning Obama's response to this attack due any minute now.

I wonder how many low-budget lame ass movies of been made about America and Christianity in the middle east How many embassies got stormed by peaceloving Americans in the United States?

Thoughts are with everyone there. fark extremists of every kind.

They hate the way they're portrayed in media, only to portray themselves poorly on the world stage.

First line of TFA:

Protesters angry over an obscure film critical of Islam's Prophet Muhammad stormed the U.S. Embassy in Sanaa, Yemen, on Thursday, as unrest that led to the deaths of a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans in Libya spread to other countries in the region.

Bullshiat. Bullshiat. Bullshiat.

The producer of this film turns out to not exist. The screening that so upset the Muslim world never happened. News organizations have yet to find any Muslim on the street who has seen it, most of those interviewed hadn't even heard of it.

This stinks to high heaven.

We are being used, yet again.

poe_zlaw: i have hoped and prayed since 2008 that Obama would get his own 9/11.

"poe's law" or not, I hope you choke on a cock.

So instead of blaming it on bad foreign policy or intolerant people who think storming embassies is a good idea, so far Fark has blamed it on:

1. The Jews.
2. Freedom of speech in the US.
3. An amateur film maker.
4. Israel (The Jews).
5. The CIA.
6. Drugs.
7. The Arab Spring.
8. Mitt Romney.


...I can see there won't be much progress in this thread.

The President needs to release a statement such as this,

"I'm sad to report that our embassy in Yemen has been attacked in yet another vile example of mob violence. The United States will not tolerate attacks on its Sovereign territory and injury or death upon its citizens. We have no wish for violence and only want to peacefully co-exist with every other culture that is upon this planet. We as a nation have a deep respect for ALL religions, including Islam, and expect the same level of respect and treatment from all nations. But....be warned. Our tolerance for loss of American lives only goes so far, and we WILL defend ourselves, These senseless attacks upon our citizens must cease, or the circle of violence will only escalate to a level where it would be very hard to stop it from cascading to a full military action. Please use common sense and stand down, we have no wish to hurt anyone, but we will not stand by while our people and property are destroyed. God bless you, and God bless America.

This has nothing to do with the stupid film. Most if not all of the morans attacking the embassy haven't even heard of it, let alone seen it. And even if they had, how is it America's fault? Or the people inside the embassy? The American government didn't hire them to make it, they don't approve of it, but somehow they seem to be using this as an excuse for killing people. So i guess to a radical Islamic, burning people alive and shooting them is much less horrid than a stupid short about Mohammad. I just don't understand the logic.

Hmmm... There was an interesting theory being discussed on Slashdot the other day.

whenever the UN's food price index, which measures the monthly change in the price of a basket of food commodities, climbs above 210, the conditions ripen for social unrest around the world.

(Said the researchers behind the study) "on December 13, 2010, we submitted a government report analyzing the repercussions of the global financial crises, and directly identifying the risk of social unrest and political instability due to food prices." Four days later, Mohamed Bouazizi set himself on fire as an act of protest in Tunisia.

Today, the food price index is hovering around 213, where it has stayed for months-just beyond the tip of the identified threshold.

One Big Ass Mistake America: [i.imgur.com image 700x524]

I dearly wish that Fark would add a [Daft] button as a complement to [Smart] and [Funny]. It would be rather useful on days like this.

randomjsa: You expected something else when you portray nothing but weakness?

Thanks Obama.

That groveling apology is looking increasingly foolish.

You mean the apology where he said we were going to track the people who did this down and make them pay, which is actually credible given his penchant for whacking terrorists with Hellfires even in countries where they were completely safe under GW? That apology?

Lt. Cheese Weasel: , Obama apologized

OBAMA DID NOT APOLOGIZE YOU IGNORANT TARD!

THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE UNITED STATES EMBASSY THAT WERE ABOUT TO BE MURDERED ISSUED PRESS RELEASES THAT SAID PLEASE CALM DOWN AND DON'T MURDER US! WE'RE INNOCENT AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT STUPID MOVIE.

Romney lied. Obama did not apologize. He did not make that statement nor did anyone in his cabinet.

Good lord people....what the fark? I see post after post blaming the film maker for this, and wanting to throw him to the angry crowd and such..........WTF? So we're groveling at the feet of Islam now, and telling them that freedom of speech means nothing to us? Fark them, and fark you "apologists" too. Yes, the guy who made the video is an idiot. Being an idiot is not illegal, storming a foreign embassy is illegal. Insinuating that the film maker is somehow responsible for people rioting and killing people is pretty hilariously close to blaming a rape victim for wearing a revealing dress. Yes, the video was provocative. That is not illegal, killing people is illegal, even over there. There is only one group at fault here, and that is the rioters. If you can't deal with a random Youtube video without rioting, then you are a farking bunch of idiots deserving of zero respect. Pick literally anything on the planet and you can probably find a youtube video ridiculing it. If you find something that hasn't been ridiculed yet, let me know, and I'll make one myself. Islam shouldn't be the only thing on the planet you're not allowed to ridicule. Fark them.

Maybe a little less gloating about how you killed a hero of the nutjob fundies over there... because there is no way they could be upset about that at all.

lucksi: So, how about arresting the one who made the film and charge him with murder and inflicting riots?

If you can charge a fleeing criminal with murder when police shoot some bystanders, you can charge the religious lunatic who made the movie as well.

Hey, why don't we just suspend all of our rights while we are at it?

As someone who has spent a considerable amount of time in the Middle East I would like to say the following: if you think to yourself that it might be a good idea to intentionally incite people to volence against Americans please at least have the balls to go over there and do it to their faces. I got shot at a lot because of people like you and I do not appreciate it. Your God should protect you because yours is right and theirs is wrong, right?

Shirley Ujest: We should hand that film maker and Terry Jones over to some Muslim clerics.

Because the logical thing to do when Americans are attacked, is to help them kill more Americans.

/the return of appeasement
//now with added preemptive execution of anyone with the potential to become the next Winston Churchill

Insatiable Jesus: Bullshiat. Bullshiat. Bullshiat.

The producer of this film turns out to not exist. The screening that so upset the Muslim world never happened. News organizations have yet to find any Muslim on the street who has seen it, most of those interviewed hadn't even heard of it.

This stinks to high heaven.

We are being used, yet again.

A "Gulf of Tonkin" is being engineered by those who want us to get mired in yet another war over there. Anywhere. Because war means money for some people. And they're not waiting for a change of administration, especially since this administration is probably going to be re-elected. And if Obama doesn't get re-elected, they can blame him for starting the war.

This is my tinfoil. Get your own.

Sweet baby Jesus. The reverb from the Arab Spring. I so want Obama to handle this well; otherwise this is ammo for the rtards & a recipe for disaster

This is why we can't have nice things.

nmemkha: While the "outrage" is most likely an excuse to vent anger at the US, they producers of the film were callously negligent. Free Speech is a right, but with every right comes a responsibility. They knew there would be violence at the release of the film and yet they released it anyway. Unfortunately, its not their loved ones who are dying, but innocent people caught up in an unnecessary firestorm.

But what is the cause of the muslim outrage if not the underlying current of Islamic supremacy that is a major part of the current radical theology? They think this world is theirs, and everyone, everywhere must be subject to a global Caliphate- One World Under Islam. Even if this particular movie wasn't made, that supremacy doctrine would still be there. Perhaps it might be good to expose it now for what it is.

What they are mad about, is that this film is being made here, and the USA isn't doing anything about it. We don't, because those basic freedoms are how our culture works, which isn't the same way as their culture works. And since, in their minds, everyone must be subject to and bow down to their religious sensibilities, national/cultural boundaries be damned, that's justification for them to go crazy even though the offense is happening on the other side of ("their") world.

Their perceived superiority and ownership over us isn't going to go away even if we "make nice" with them for now. In fact, they see our apologies and refusal to stand up for Western values of freedom- even freedom to do offensive and blasphemous things- as weakness, and an admission of the righteousness of their point of view. Like the WTC attack, this is an attack on Western civilization itself, not just simple outrage over a bad movie.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Mrtraveler01: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Mrtraveler01: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Leadership we can all be proud of

The Commander in Chief is taking care of the diplomacy thing very nicely. This should calm things down.

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We are so F*CKED.

So what exactly should we do again?

Since the GOP seems so damn sure to know the answer to every geopolitical conflict in the world. Let's hear it!

Well, whatever we do, I'm pretty sure it's not this either One Big Ass Mistake America

Gateway pundit huh?

Sounds legit.

Not really an answer though. How should the US have handled the "Arab Spring"?

You didn't even read it did you? What an asshat. Let me sum it up for you. Obama is shiatting on our allies and extending an open bar to the folks behind all this shiat. It's not an opinion, it's pure simple facts. Opening dialog with duly elected democracies is a good thing, but you don't do it while crapping on your friends.

Invasion of US Embassies? How's about defending US citizens and soil? You know, like shooting at people climbing the walls? Sounds radical I know.

The CONSULATE in Benghazi where the killing happened was NOT AN EMBASSY. It had minimal security in the first place. Many nations have consulates that are extension offices of their embassies. Embassies go in capitals, and might have big walls and Marines. Consulates are in office buildings.

Also, foreigners shooting crowds can make things worse when (if at an embassy) you have hardened safe rooms and local national troops can shoot the crowd for you (as in Yemen).

Next.

As an atheist, one thing that fascinates me about threads like this is the fact that only a few hardcore will come to the defense of "right wing religous nuts" or "backwards-ass bible thumpers"
But shift the spotlight to Muslim extremists and suddenly open mindedness and tolerance pours forth.

MEANWHILE: The Men Behind 'Innocence Of Muslims' Revealed As Anti-Government Domestic Terrorists Link

Hey Islamic retards who think a movie is offensive.

You know what I find offensive?

CygnusDarius: Joe Blowme: CygnusDarius: Sgt Stubby: Hmmm... looks like somebody on YouTube pulled the old switcherooski on me. The Tom Holland documentary (Islam: The Untold Story) has been replaced with something else called 'islam the untold story', though the replacement is an adoring pro-islam fluff piece .

The REAL, banned documentary has been removed and scrubbed from the Internet... so as not to incite muslim violence.



/the UK is finished

I have you on hurts-my-eyes red, because of bs comments like this.

Truth hurts, huh?

Yes, it can hurt. But the stupid burns even more.

That would explain the burning sensation that comes with your posts

jakomo002: Waxing_Chewbacca: Seals are not always possible. You do not Put American lives at risk to ensure the lives of an equal number of innocents. Harsh but this is the real world.

And that is why you will never win the "War On Terror". You are fighting people who are willing to sacrifice everything they have to beat you, and you don't have the stomach to be on the other end of a bloody massacre.

"20 children killed in a drone strike in Yemen? Well shiat, son, them's the costs of war. Collateral damage as they say."

"4 Americans killed in Libya? OMIGOD WAAAAH! What are we going to do omigod those poor peoiple."

Sickening, really. Grow a pair of testicles and also realize that American lives are as important or unimportant as those you yourselves erase.

But see that's just not true.

2,000 dead on 9/11 and americans are justifiably furious and want blood, anyone's blood. We must have veng- err justice!
100,000+ innocent Iraqi dead by our hand
1 US soldier, who volunteered for his job and is equipped with the best gear and support network the world has ever seen, is killed in a foreign country. OMG TRAGEDY
10 Iraqis living in the village they've lived for generations, with no training, no armor, no HUMVs to evacuate them to Germany or insurance policies for their spouses get blown up in their own beds... *shrug*.

Americans as a people DON'T care. And to us collectively, the lives are NOT worth the same. Not even close.

Its really amazing to me how much we as a people don't get bothered by how much innocent blood is spilled in our name.

Waxing_Chewbacca: jakomo002: Waxing_Chewbacca: Boots on the ground would have been Presidents Bush 2"s position. Which is and was insane. This seems to make more sense. Or you would allow these terrorist who are using yeman as a base to live in peace and kill at will? Smart foreign policy you got there. If the peaceful people of Yeman want peace they can always decide not to tolerate the cold blooded killers who live amongst them. You have no ideas. You have coca-cola "I'd like to teach the world to sing" foreign policy.

HAHA! Yeah, if the Yemenis don't want the heavily armed militants to stay, they should just stroll over and ask them to please leave. Haha.

A lot of this is people's reactions to drone strikes and military intervention, so your suggestion is to use drones and military intervention to stop it.

That is rich, buddy. Not very well thought-out, but rich.

My suggestion is to be less paranoid and less cowardly. Yemen is hardly a threat to the USA, and the only Americans they'll kill are there in Yemen. So get them out and leave the country alone.

Your "nation-building" skills are atrocious.

Answer the question. What would be your policy... Buddy. Yeman is not a threat. Correct. The terrorist there-in are. What would you do?

1. End all military aid to Yemen and her neighbors.
2. Issue an advisory against traveling to or doing business in Yemen. Make it clear to American owned companies that they will receive no support, no protection, no intervention if doing business in Yemen becomes problematic.
3. Issue same advisory to NGOs.
4. Maintain or increase humanitarian aid to Yemen as conditions indicate.
5. Invest heavily in wind and solar energy. Invest in hybrid and electric cars. Increase efficiency standards. Invest in mass transit. Seek ways to move our nation from dependency on the one thing that most motivates us to entangle ourselves in the affairs of nations like Yemen.

I know it could be more detailed, but no one wants to be bored to tears by my garrulous ideas on Fark.

AverageAmericanGuy: Who benefits the most from an America that is outraged at Islamists?

Civilization.

BgJonson79: Father_Jack: Baryogenesis: *Refresh*
Put right wing moron and/or troll on ignore
*Refresh*
Put right wing moron and/or troll on ignore
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These threads are great for identifying the mouth breathers. Foreign policy is more nuanced and complicated than shoot first ask questions later and Muslim=bad.

"By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community."
-Oscar Wilde

truer now than when he said it.

Fark.com: Giving mouthbreathers a stage and smart people the chance to monitor them since 2001.

Isn't it sorta a dangerous and slippery-slope thought to think that you need to "monitor" people you disagree with?

No, not at all.

I think its important to understand what people I don't agree with are thinking and why, it helps explain what is to me at times completely illogical.

Every now and again amongst all the angry chickenhawks and badly informed redstaters, there'll be one who will really try to lay it out and explain why he or she thinks x or y, and that stuff is really good to know. It helps keep a human face on stupid, remind me that we all basically want the same things and that Americans fundamentally disagree because of the quality of information we base decisions on.

Some people choose to put decent information into their heads, and can reason accordingly and make good decisions. Others willfully put bad information into their heads and make logical conclusions from that bad information. And then the final, smallest and most unreachable set are both stupid AND put bad information into their heads, and aren't able to make anything BUT bad decisions. These are the people like Thunderpipes and Bevets. People from the other groups are worth listening to.

BgJonson79: So we shouldn't correct our mistake? Also, it seems, they just end up replacing one dictator with another, so not sure what the net gain is there. (In fairness, at least they got to choose!)

No, no you absolutely SHOULD support the removal of the dictators. What I'm saying is that since the US supported those same dictators for decades, the people who suffered under that rule aren't automatically going to be pro-U.S. They're apt to be a little, um, butthurt over the whole thing. They'll need time.

From now on, all stories related to this alleged film should use the Irony tag.

Irony because this whole thing arises from AN UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMOUR. We don't know if the film even exists at all. Yet all this anger and violence abounds due to RUMOURS SPREAD BY THE INTERNET. Sound at all familiar to anyone?

Anyone know any Americans like that? Americans who accept as fact, or at least plausibly likely, various rumours they hear online about various things or people they're predisposed to believe such things about -- to want to believe such things about, facts and verification be damned? And then act on those beliefs in their daily lives and politics?

This goes beyond the 'chickens come home to roost' argument (which is still valid for other reasons here); this bespeaks an entire species of knee-jerking morans who probably are not collectively prepared to meet the real future challenges of this world, who can't face the hard and unpleasant truths about themselves -- and thus fulfil the vital first step of real personal change and betterment, and who simply refuse to even contemplate the ego-busting possibility of being wrong about anything.

Think about this. This ENTIRE thing is built on a mountainous landfill of practically nothing, and reacting like tiny screaming babies to that practically nothing. Not just them -- us, too: a huge amount of the anti-Muslim fever in this country is also based on prejudice, rumour, and outright lies. Not every last shred, of course, but mostly. And the fact that so many Americans take their received wisdom about all this from doubtful sources -- and then actually make important decisions based on that -- is no better than what's happening over there.

So don't y'all get too smug or judgemental. We haven't stormed any embassies lately, that's true. But when it comes to evaluating facts and deciding how to respond based on what we 'know,' we're not batting much better than anyone else.

Joe Blowme: Lesser of 2 evils, strongman of islamic pshychos... i have to go with the strongman who will keep savages in check. Besides, they drew first blood in 1790's, Barbary Pirates and all that so can we just point to that as justification to kill them? Or can we go back further and blame the taking of Vienna? Or Spain? Ect...,

Dude, I'm sorry. I didn't even realize I was arguing with crazy person. Sorry, and seek help for your obvious mental illness.

Waxing_Chewbacca: I understand and agree. But those who turn to terrorism must blown off the face off the planet. Drones are a surgical method of doing what must be done. So grow the fark and understand there are no absolutes in foreign policy. I'm also done with you until you can post my entire statement and not cut only what you wish to use to make your point. Oh... And this... The far-right AND the far-left have one important thing in common. An inability to understand that dogmatic adherence to ideology will very likely get us all killed.

It's very very well -documented that when you go hogwild with drones, massacring innocents accidentally to get to your "primary suspect", the survivors HATE you and will try to enact revenge. Or their neighbours will. Or their family. Or their in-laws.

Drones might kill a few "suspected militants", but they create far more "terrorists". Put yourself in their shoes.

"well, it looks like a US drone hit the wedding party, killed the guy they were looking for and also accidentally bruned my 4 children to death. Let's get to work on making some new kids, wifey."

No, they arm and find ways to enact revenge, which is VERY big in those areas.

Lunaville: somedude210: poe_zlaw: I wonder how many low-budget lame ass movies of been made about America and Christianity in the middle east How many embassies got stormed by peaceloving Americans in the United States?

I'm gonna assume none, since, you know, there's no proof that they exist.

This, however, was a deliberate attempt to show it to the Muslim world in order to piss them right the fark off.

/wouldn't at all be surprised if this traced back to Team Romney

Or the Koch brothers. They certainly have the funds to buy themselves a few soldiers of fortune.

From that same Wired article from Sept 5 2012:

On Sunday, at least 10 civilians were not so fortunate. They were killed in a strike gone awry near the town of Rada'a in al-Baitha province. An aircraft - believed to be an American drone - fired a pair of missiles at a vehicle supposedly carrying a local AQAP leader. One of the missiles instead hit a nearby minibus.  A 10-year-old girl and her mother were among the dead. "Families attempted to carry the victims' corpses to the capital, Sana'a, to lay them in front of the residence of newly elected President Abdurabu Hadi, but were sent back by local security forces," according to CNN.

Again, totally unrelated, right? The Yemenis are just mindless Muslim killbots.

nmemkha: While the "outrage" is most likely an excuse to vent anger at the US, they producers of the film were callously negligent. Free Speech is a right, but with every right comes a responsibility. They knew there would be violence at the release of the film and yet they released it anyway. Unfortunately, its not their loved ones who are dying, but innocent people caught up in an unnecessary firestorm.

People who think like this are cowards who want to give away their rights, and everyone else's rights, to placate crazy people in a misguided attempt to feel a little safer. Please keep these kinds of cheap and cowardly opinions to yourself. You make the rest of us look weak.

The people who are responsible for these kinds of attacks don't value anyone's rights or beliefs but their own and want to kill anyone who disagrees with them. It's my right, as a human being, to believe, say, and mock whatever I want. When you say "This is so-and-so's fault for not being too scared to voice their opinion" then you're trying to take away the rights of that person to express themselves. This is not the film makers fault, the only fault lies with the people who are so bigoted and filled with hate that they try to kill anyone who disagrees with them or upsets them.

Stop trying to belittle my rights as a human being with your cowardly fear inspired thoughts. I bet the people responsible for the attacks want everyone in the world to think like you, to be too scared to speak out or stand up for yourself.

Of course, none of this Yemeni anger has anything to do with the fact that the U.S. has been involved in a low-level war there for years.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/09/yemen-drone-war/

29 Dead in 8 Days as U.S. Puts Yemen Drone War in Overdrive

29 dead in a little over a week. Nearly 200 gone this year. The White House is stepping up its campaign of drone attacks in Yemen, with four strikes in eight days. And not even the slaying of 10 civilians over the weekend seems to have slowed the pace in the United States' secretive, undeclared war.

TOTALLY unrelated, amirite? I'm sure Yemenis celebrate when they see a foreign government's attack drones in their skies, and they're probably unaffected when those drones bomb the shiat out of their neighbours.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/06/yemen-war/all/

After years of sending drones and commandos into Pakistan, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta last week finally admitted the obvious: The US is "fighting a war" there. But American robots and special forces aren't just targeting militants in Pakistan. They're doing the same - with increasing frequency and increasing lethality - in Yemen. The latest drone attack happened early Wednesday in the Yemeni town of Azzan, killing nine people. It's the 23rd strike in Yemen so far this year, according to the Long War Journal. In Pakistan, there have been only 22.

They can't actually defend themsleves against drone attacks, so this is probably the only way they can voice displeasure, by trashing the embassy. Because actions have consequences.

HotWingConspiracy: A lot of right wingers became experts on embassy security yesterday it seems.

"I don't understand why Obama didn't order the space marines to descend from our moon base to decimate the entire nation of Libya! This was common practice in the Reagan era! I weep for this nation."

I know, because this list of embassy attacks below didn't happen:

2002
June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb explodes outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda.

2004
Dec. 6, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia: terrorists storm the U.S. consulate, killing 5 consulate employees. 4 terrorists were killed by Saudi security.

2006
Sept. 13, Damascus, Syria: an attack by four gunman on the American embassy is foiled.

2007
Jan. 12, Athens, Greece: the U.S. embassy is fired on by an anti-tank missile causing damage but no injuries.

2008
Sept. 16, Yemen: a car bomb and a rocket strike the U.S. embassy in Yemen as staff arrived to work, killing 16 people, including 4 civilians. At least 25 suspected al-Qaeda militants are arrested for the attack.

way south: Diplomacy can't happen if some idiot is taking a dump in your conference room whenever he finds something to be outraged about.

A regular, healthy bowel movement does more to promote peace, understanding, and cooperation than diplomacy does.

TV's Vinnie: You know what? F*CK IT! I'm not going to get worked up about a bunch of butthurt donkey-molesters in some craphole Islamist country anymore. Haters gonna hate. Period. Nothing we do short of blowing them up will effect them.

Just

blow

them

up!



An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. If we want the moral high ground, we must act like it.

Ah Yemen, desperately poor, staggering unemployment, little in the way of anything to build upon, an old tribal system that makes a mess of some things, Saudi Arabia next door doing not much to help. That something is happening in Yemen is not a surprise, the surprise is that something doesn't happen more often.

Agarista: Mrbogey: Agarista: I think the dubbing and promotion of the film are pretty much in line with a premeditated "fire" in a crowded cinema.

I see this sentiment a lot lately. I guess we may as well bury the first amendment. Now expressing controversial ideas is considered incitement to panic.

What next? People who are attacked for expressing their opinion about politics are asking for it?

The intention to cause harm and to incite violence is not protected speech.
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Excellent! So the next time you make fun of Christians I should kick you arse, and in turn you should then be arrested for inciting violence. Your kind of derp scares the hell out of me.

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This joke about Obama golfing is an expression of Republican shame about the fact that Bush took so many vacations.

All very Freudian.

We should pull out all embassies in these nations, cut off all aid, cease all charity organizations erfforts' there.

shotglasss: [waznmentobe.com image 600x506]

First of all, you're threadshiatting. Secondly, considering GWB set the record for most vacation time taken by any president, are you sure you want to go there?

I like your Muhammad.
I do not like your Muslims
Your Muslims are so unlike your Muhammad.

Bit'O'Gristle: The President needs to release a statement such as this,

"I'm sad to report that our embassy in Yemen has been attacked in yet another vile example of mob violence. The United States will not tolerate attacks on its Sovereign territory and injury or death upon its citizens. We have no wish for violence and only want to peacefully co-exist with every other culture that is upon this planet. We as a nation have a deep respect for ALL religions, including Islam, and expect the same level of respect and treatment from all nations. But....be warned. Our tolerance for loss of American lives only goes so far, and we WILL defend ourselves, These senseless attacks upon our citizens must cease, or the circle of violence will only escalate to a level where it would be very hard to stop it from cascading to a full military action. Please use common sense and stand down, we have no wish to hurt anyone, but we will not stand by while our people and property are destroyed. God bless you, and God bless America.

Instead, it will be more like this:

"My fellow americans and citizens of the world. Today, I'd like to apologize for the following things: White privilege, Christianity, American exceptionalism, Pork, McDonalds, George W. Bush, Ronald Reagan and General Pershing, Facebook, Skirts, birth control, shopping, dancing, bicycles, music, Jews, Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, Ke$ha, QVC, The Philadelphia Eagles, Rosie O'Donnell, republicans and Glenn Beck. Please stop raiding our embassies. Thanks"

way south: ...I can see there won't be much progress in this thread.

There never is, when "progressives" are involved.

Oysterman: They hate the way they're portrayed in media, only to portray themselves poorly on the world stage.

The problem with statements like these is, the use of the word "they". Who are "they"?

nmemkha: While the "outrage" is most likely an excuse to vent anger at the US, they producers of the film were callously negligent. Free Speech is a right, but with every right comes a responsibility. They knew there would be violence at the release of the film and yet they released it anyway. Unfortunately, its not their loved ones who are dying, but innocent people caught up in an unnecessary firestorm.

You are absolutely right. Catholics, Jews and Mormons should take notice and follow the Muslim play book to reduce perceived slights to their religion. If Mormons cut off a few heads, ran around in murderous mobs and destroyed property, The Book Of Mormon might not be on Broadway.

/You can't rely on the 1st amendment to protect your speech if you are going to mock the religion of people who act violently in reaction to it

Mr. Shabooboo: I'm so ticked off about the paper cut I got that I wanna storm the Canadian Embassy because the tree
they made the paper from probably came from Canada.. (That was sarcasm people, I ♥ Canada)

Oh yeah?

I saw this controversial film that two idiots in the US made about Canada. That say it was aboot free speech, but I could see the hate in their depiction of flapping heads and crappy WW2-technology in their army. I'm getting ready right now to go storm the US embassy, eh? Fookin hosers!

/fart
/AAAAAAhahahahahaha

Cpl.D: I thought they equipped all US embassies with that active denial system. It really would've been helpful, here.

They bought the units and installed them in some places.
Then some bigwig had them recalled before testing because they were too controversial.

/More controversial than having our embassy ransacked, it seems.
/Scientific advancement cant always make up for bad decisions.

BullBearMS: whenever the UN's food price index, which measures the monthly change in the price of a basket of food commodities, climbs above 210, the conditions ripen for social unrest around the world.

(Said the researchers behind the study) "on December 13, 2010, we submitted a government report analyzing the repercussions of the global financial crises, and directly identifying the risk of social unrest and political instability due to food prices." Four days later, Mohamed Bouazizi set himself on fire as an act of protest in Tunisia.

Today, the food price index is hovering around 213, where it has stayed for months-just beyond the tip of the identified threshold.


Take a look at this as well.

Who benefits the most from an America that is outraged at Islamists?

My Christmas lights are tangled.

WTF?!! I'm Irish and WE don't get this stupid even while drunk!

I thought they equipped all US embassies with that active denial system. It really would've been helpful, here.

doglover: Cpl.D: I thought they equipped all US embassies with that active denial system



You know what looks worse in the media than your embassy gettin' a little B&E? Unleashing automatic weapons on unarmed civilians. Hell, we're still learning about a handful of musket balls launched more than 200 years ago at a couple early Bostonians who you probably would have shot too.

As bad as riots get, active denial systems aren't for mere flag burning and trespass. That's why they keep the weapons in the secure areas, which weren't raided.

Um... the active denial system isn't a firearm. It's that satellite-dish directional-sound beam thing. You point it in a direction, turn it on, and anyone along the beam hears a loud assed noise. That's it. No bullets. No missiles. No flying corgis. I recall they'd said they were going to use these nonlethal devices in embassies. I guess they didn't get around to it.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: I'm getting all [doggies.com image 233x350] about the number of Fark Libs who seem to be suggesting that the rapist is blameless.

Can you name even one Fark Lib who's stated that the people who attacked the embassies in Yemen or Egypt are blameless? 

Stated, not "suggested."

Marine1: Blue_Blazer: Cuyose: Blue_Blazer: Cuyose: Blue_Blazer:
Abortions cause people top bomb abortion clinics, so we should not do abortions. That is your thinking. That is the repercusion of performing abortions.

That is not my thinking.
Are you a Republican? We have serious big issues going on and all you can think about is abortion. Are you thinking about rape too?

Just wanted to pipe in with this question:

How many Farkers would say this film was a bad idea if Muhammad were swapped with Jesus of Nazareth and knew that the world's Christians wouldn't be beating down embassy doors to kill people?

I know the offending element is different (it's not against Christian teachings to depict Jesus, as it is with Muhammad and Islam), but just make the film so that Jesus looks like a terrible influence. How many would be accusing this filmmaker of being a bad person?

Honest question.

I would, for one, but would only go for expressing my opinion, not actually going for murder. And then we have people like Breivik in Europe, and then there's the extreme right-wing in France that doesn't mess round. Then there's Fox News inciting violence, remember "Tiller, the Baby Killer" over and over again until someone actually killed a doctor, and several abortion clinics burned, and even going as much as people posting personal info of doctors that perform abortions?.

I drunk what: Blue_Blazer: this small minority

hmm

Blue_Blazer: I'm pretty sure what we're saying is that if you are gonna be a dick

does, 'openly and honestly discussing reality' qualify as "being a dick" because IDW is often guilty of this, and according to your criteria we ought to label him as a "dick"

any objections?

/anyone have a button to push that will terminate him??

Pretty sure that's my point, that ONLY A SMALL MINORITY OF MUSLIMS are reacting violently to this, and WE SHOULD NOT lump them all together. But good job.

If by "openly and honestly" you mean "making a bullshiat video that you had to lie to the cast to even make and tell a bunch of lies about the Prophet (who they have told you they believe should never be visualized) and calling accusing him of various crimes and transgressions of their faith" then yeah, this is video is a textbook example of speaking "openly and honestly"

the money is in the banana stand: rohar: the money is in the banana stand: rohar: the money is in the banana stand: dababler: common sense is an oxymoron: In other news, the maker of the film that started it all has gone into hiding, his spokesman was chosen because he leads anti-Islamic protests at mosques and schools, and the cast claims that much of the dialogue was dubbed in without their knowledge or consent.

Link

Also...

"We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen"


farking asshole. This needs to be front page news on every goddamn paper and website.

That is the person you turn your hatred to? LOL. Wow. Words are just that, words. You shouldn't have to ever edit yourself because of someone might do as a result of your words. No matter how you look at it, the guilty party here are those that stormed the embassies and committed acts of violence. That's it. No other blame can be placed here.

While I generally agree, watching their friends and neighbors evaporate due to drone strikes might have had something to do with it.

Yes I am sure that is why they were burning cars and trying to steal computers and furniture conveniently on and right after 9/11 because they were so outraged by the film or the US drone strikes. No, this is just an angry mob of thugs and degenerates that jumped on the bandwagon of a coordinated attack plan.

Uh, there was no film in Yemen, they actually watched their neighbors get cut down by drone strikes. In HD real life. You're not keeping up are you?

And your reading comprehension is that of a kindergartener. This is a bunch of bullshiat, just excuses for angry barbarians to kill Americans.

You're probably right. It's better to have excuses for angry Americans to kill barbarians.

/wait, what?

the money is in the banana stand: rohar: the money is in the banana stand: dababler: common sense is an oxymoron: In other news, the maker of the film that started it all has gone into hiding, his spokesman was chosen because he leads anti-Islamic protests at mosques and schools, and the cast claims that much of the dialogue was dubbed in without their knowledge or consent.

Link

Also...

"We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen"


farking asshole. This needs to be front page news on every goddamn paper and website.

That is the person you turn your hatred to? LOL. Wow. Words are just that, words. You shouldn't have to ever edit yourself because of someone might do as a result of your words. No matter how you look at it, the guilty party here are those that stormed the embassies and committed acts of violence. That's it. No other blame can be placed here.

While I generally agree, watching their friends and neighbors evaporate due to drone strikes might have had something to do with it.

Yes I am sure that is why they were burning cars and trying to steal computers and furniture conveniently on and right after 9/11 because they were so outraged by the film or the US drone strikes. No, this is just an angry mob of thugs and degenerates that jumped on the bandwagon of a coordinated attack plan.

Uh, there was no film in Yemen, they actually watched their neighbors get cut down by drone strikes. In HD real life. You're not keeping up are you?

Of course the fact that we've been conducting hunter-killer operations with drones all over Yemen for the last several years, picking and choosing allies in their low-grade civil war, has absolutely NO bearing on how they respond to an inflammatory issue. Just like the American Revolution was all about tea and the Falklands were all about penguins.

Slam1263: PsiChick: nmemkha: LL316: nmemkha:

The film was purposely made to antagonize. Demonstrating how I raped your lover in front of you is bound to elicit a negative reaction right? Its not my fault you got angry and assaulted me, right?

This. That said, this isn't just the film--that's just the straw breaking the camel's back here. We've been sticking our dick in the ME and doing nothing good there.

Obviously, the protestors had every choice in what they did, but maybe it's time we STFU and GTFO.

Wow, I never thought you'd be an apologists for muderers.

And why stop at the ME? We have far more bases in Europe protecting them from the Soviet Union, than the ME.

Apologizing? The rioters should be in farking jail. But international policy is not black and white. We have caused hundreds of civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan alone, and that number is laughably low.

If you want to talk about adult matters, you need a basic education. And you need to remember that, outside of whatever video game you're playing, the Cold War is de facto over.

Oznog: Lunaville: Coelacanth: MEANWHILE: The Men Behind 'Innocence Of Muslims' Revealed As Anti-Government Domestic Terrorists Link

That gives us a lot to think about.
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The actual "movie" is called "Innocence of Muslims" (link right there), and it's not a "trailer". It's 7 Youtube video segments of varying length, perhaps they were unaware you can post videos >10min now on YT. I assume that's "the whole thing".

It's of comically bad production values. A mix of primitive "sets" of modern trappings pretending to be "tents" and chroma-keying onto other scenes. Of course, with chroma-keying, you have to keep the camera on upper torso so the floor doesn't show, because it's hard to keep that perspective and scale consistent, right? Well, not these guys. Consequently, they just kinda "float" on the sand where they stand . The stage lighting on them is glaringly inconsistent with the exterior shot for their environment.

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Look at me, we're FLYING! IZZA MIRACLE!

Also hilarious, the audio is really bad, and they've got an indoor empty-room echo while in a tent- or outdoors. Often they switch to badly dubbed voices, which are only only SLIGHTLY better than the live audio. 

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Then this gay pr0n actor Tim Dax shows up. Wearing very little. Apparently, this is how he actually looks, those are real tattoos. Odd choice for a character. Well, odd that a Coptic Christian sect would tap the gay pr0n industry for its talent to begin with.

Evidently the middle east has yet to comprehend the Streisand Effect.

Some more info: 'Innocence of Muslims': Mystery shrouds film's California origins Link

There is a full length version floating out there somewhere. I hope somebody has the good sense to burn it.

Contrabulous Flabtraption: War is coming


I prefer the way Obama handles a war compared to the republican approach. Especially since Romney couldn't even feign greif for the dead Americans. If war is coming, then Obama is the guy I want in charge.

I drunk what: CygnusDarius: Lunaville: Coelacanth: MEANWHILE: The Men Behind 'Innocence Of Muslims' Revealed As Anti-Government Domestic Terrorists Link

That gives us a lot to think about.

Who benefits from the downfall of the US government and the death of minorities?.

These guys:

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Coelacanth: Lunaville: That gives us a lot to think about.

We're all being played, ladies and gentlemen, liberals and conservatives, Christians, Jews, and Muslims!

i believe i already spotted the player, his handle is Coelacanth

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kudos for your honesty

FYI, my account was created 2007-12-28 18:40:01, if that helps build your case

If there is any human who deserves the title scumbag, it is you. I'm trying to point out that there's a common enemy here and all you can do is feed your ego. Right now, if I was entitled to kill one person by the push of a button it would be you. But the best I can do is PLONK you and add to my ever-growing list of those who should be condemned to purgatory forever more.

Get Your Dick Out Of My Food: Richard Flaccid: Get Your Dick Out Of My Food: AbiNormal: farking ragheads. What a bunch of worthless piles of shiat. Religion of peace strikes again.

You sound like a uneducated simpleton. Please go away.

You sound like a typical effeminate male douchebag with a liberal arts degree. Please go away.

Just calling out some racist ignorance for what it is. Sorry if that seems snobby to you.

Every time I hear the word 'raghead', I know it'll eventually turn into the n-word, and all the racist bouquet that it's out there.

david_gaithersburg: What a shame that he apologized instead. WTF!

Could you stop being an absolute twat for maybe just one thread? Seriously, what went wrong in your life that this is what you do for fun?

BgJonson79: HotIgneous Intruder: BgJonson79: I don't believe those guys are true followers of Islam...

So they're just pretending to be mentally ill.
Got it.

Are you equating mental illness with religion?

Yep. That's their new thing. It's smart because Dawkins says it spreads like a virus.

I mean it's the exact sort of crap the Soviets used to persecute the faithful, but hey, this time, it's for a good cause.

nmemkha: While the "outrage" is most likely an excuse to vent anger at the US, they producers of the film were callously negligent. Free Speech is a right, but with every right comes a responsibility. They knew there would be violence at the release of the film and yet they released it anyway. Unfortunately, its not their loved ones who are dying, but innocent people caught up in an unnecessary firestorm.

I agree. I suggest we also arrest the little Christian terrorist and charge him with treason. He intentionally put the lives of Americans at risk.

HotIgneous Intruder: Uh no.
Mubarak took power in 1981, which was 31 years ago.
Thanks for playing.

Well then I'm sure the Egyptians are all "Well at least it was only 31 years that the US supported the dictator who was abusing us. Forgive and forget!"

Let's just call it US support of Mubarak for between 2 and 3 GENERATIONS of Egyptians. Grandfather, father, son.

jakomo002: The past 40 years where the USA supported the brutal dictator Hosni Mubarak.

Uh no.
Mubarak took power in 1981, which was 31 years ago.
Thanks for playing.

Mazzic518: People that warn about putting someone on ignore make me laugh..

Thanks for sharing. Really.

Joe Blowme: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

The Egyptians are remembering the past. The past 40 years where the USA supported the brutal dictator Hosni Mubarak. Libyans are remembering the past 10 years when the USA and the UK supported Gaddhafi 100%.

And they're angry and they're responding predictably.

Keep those hilarious little one-line inanities comning, pure comedy gold.

Shirley Ujest: We should hand that film maker and Terry Jones over to some Muslim clerics.

Yes, because what they did is in no way protected by the 1st Amendment. People who share your line of thinking are part of the problem with this country...completely willing to violate the civil rights of your fellow citizens as long as it makes people in other countries feel good.

cryinoutloud: Must be nice to live in a "free" country where you can stir up anything you like, then have others put out the fires for you.

It is, actually.

The U.S. needs to come to grips with the fact that, aside from Israel, there are no constitutional governments in the Middle East. Whoever is in power at any given time gets to write the laws, interpret the laws, enforce the laws, or ignore the laws as they see fit. Until countries in the Middle East can adopt western notions of the supremacy of the law and equality of all before the law; and until they can achieve some kind of economic security, there will be no peace; nor will there be any successful relations with them. Even the relationship with our "ally" Saudi Arabia is as tenuous as the heartbeat of the king.

When you couple that insecurity with unrelenting poverty and stir it all together with a fanatical religion that will use any excuse to kill whomever it deems an enemy, any kind of rational diplomatic relationship is an illusion. It's hard to negotiate with someone for whom death is a promotion. Unfortunately, the only thing the fanatics understand is force and, if you leave them alive no matter how severe the beating, they consider themselves to have won and they will come back at you as soon as they are able.

Given that, it's difficult to formulate what could be a successful policy. Total annihilation of the fanatics might go a long way toward solving the problem but I don't think anyone has the stomach for that, even if the capability existed. Every time we leave fanatics standing, however, the normal population will live in fear of punishment or reprisal from the fanatics and the country will disintegrate into anarchy or a new brand of totalitarian government.

What I find most disturbing about this administration's policy is the apparent lack of interest. SoS Clinton has been working very hard all over the globe, for which she deserves enormous credit even if one disagrees with her policies. But Obama seems to have lost interest in doing his job. When he attends less than half of the foreign intelligence briefings, when he flies off to fund-raiser after fund-raiser instead of at least appearing to concentrate on what is, at best, a powder keg; when he makes a brief statement and won't take questions; and when the focus of the press is on the timing of what Romney did; it seems that there is no coherent policy and that Obama is disinterested in formulating one. The current upheaval appears to be an annoyance that is getting in the way of his schedule.

Snowflake Tubbybottom: [i.imgur.com image 450x286][i1.cpcache.com image 250x250]

Maybe a little less gloating about how you killed a hero of the nutjob fundies over there... because there is no way they could be upset about that at all.

Always love when one of my images pops up...

Here, have a large original:

the usa is bombing the piss out of their country with unmanned drones.
we're also killing their leaders in the night with seal teams.
these activities are coordinated at a high level through embassys.

it's not difficult to see why they would attach the embassy.

what is unique, is that these people will FIGHT.
they'll fight against the tanks, helocoptors, drones, laser bombs, F-16s, seal teams... whatever!
they'll fight all of these forces with rocks while wearing sandals, to the death.

i find that to be very interesting.
the only reasonable explanation for their behavior, is they do not have any other choice.
it's the only explanation to attack a tank with a rock in sandals.

On top of it all, the guy(s) who made the film that started all this seem to be abject cowards:

The maker of the film, Innocence of Muslims, which crudely denigrates the prophet Muhammad, called himself Sam Bacile and claimed to be Israeli American, but that appears to be an alias.
A Coptic Christian living on the outskirts of Los Angeles, Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, later admitted to the Associated Press that he had managed and provided logistics for the film. Nakoula, who pleaded no contest to bank fraud charges in 2010, denied being Sam Bacile, but a mobile phone used by the elusive director in earlier interviews was registered under Nakoula's address, and he had previously used similar aliases.

Must be nice to live in a "free" country where you can stir up anything you like, then have others put out the fires for you.

Joe Blowme: CygnusDarius: Lunaville: Coelacanth: MEANWHILE: The Men Behind 'Innocence Of Muslims' Revealed As Anti-Government Domestic Terrorists Link

That gives us a lot to think about.

Who benefits from the downfall of the US government and the death of minorities?.

These guys:

[images.alternet.org image 512x341]

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Account created: 2008-01-08

'Nuff said.

Kittypie070: F********CK IS SOMEONE SLIPPING LDS INTO THE WATER SUPPLIES!!??


Wanted for questioning.

TheMysticS: Dear Religious Fundamentalists of Planet Earth,

We are tired of playing these games.
Go Fark yourselves.


I don't want this fundamentalism crap. Christians, Muslims, whatever. It seems like the fundies of the world are itching for a holy war ALL SIDES INCLUDED.
This isn't Egypt or Libya or Yemen alone. This is 'our religion is supreme'!

Not national boundaries, rational boundaries.

You're right, Christians are constantly blowing shiat up in the name of Christ. I for one won't stand for it any lon-wait a minute...that's not true at all...you almost had me though.

Latinwolf: LL316: nmemkha: While the "outrage" is most likely an excuse to vent anger at the US, they producers of the film were callously negligent. Free Speech is a right, but with every right comes a responsibility. They knew there would be violence at the release of the film and yet they released it anyway. Unfortunately, its not their loved ones who are dying, but innocent people caught up in an unnecessary firestorm.

Totally agree with this, but don't go putting the fault there. The fault lies with the animals who react this way over a movie, not the movie maker himself. It's the rapist, not the low cut dress that commits the bad act.

If the producer made this film hoping for this kind of response then he does share some blame.

No, they do not. You cannot excuse violence for any reason. If that were the case, liberals and conservatives in this country would have long ago went to war (conservatives winning of course, we know how to shoot and we own guns). Sound like an apologist. Or should we attack people that simply badmouth us?

lunchinlewis: Thunderpipes: Obama is a peace guy. Why are they still mad? He is on their side.

Why aren't there heavily armed marines stationed at our embassies? Anyone gets on the gates like that, you shoot them. Have air support standing by in case you need heavy fire support. Problem solved.

Need to take the kid gloves off and leave them off. Pussy McHopeChange is just like Carter.

Yeah, I think the State Department has some answering to do. What exactly is our security footing at these embassies. You know, we don't have a spotless history with those things over there.

The Libyan thing is kind of baffling. Apparently there have been other recent attacks on that consulate and those of other nations in that area. We've had drones checking out terror cell areas around there since mid-summer. The diplomat that got killed even raised the terrorist issue with Washington.

This sucks. We look completely unprepared.

Only security there was 4 Libyan guards. What the hell? That is downright incompetent.

AbiNormal: farking ragheads. What a bunch of worthless piles of shiat. Religion of peace strikes again.

Racist twat. Figures you'd live in Shoreline, land of low-tax Seattle infrastructure-moochers. Get the hell out of my town and stay out, racist moron.

Did you see the pics of the Libyans holding up signs protesting the killing of Sean Smith? OF course you didn't, you were too busy posting crap about mooslims. Racist asswit.

m2313: BullBearMS: whenever the UN's food price index, which measures the monthly change in the price of a basket of food commodities, climbs above 210, the conditions ripen for social unrest around the world.

(Said the researchers behind the study) "on December 13, 2010, we submitted a government report analyzing the repercussions of the global financial crises, and directly identifying the risk of social unrest and political instability due to food prices." Four days later, Mohamed Bouazizi set himself on fire as an act of protest in Tunisia.

Today, the food price index is hovering around 213, where it has stayed for months-just beyond the tip of the identified threshold.


Take a look at this as well.

Their predictions are a little off. From your link: "the average price of staple foods such as maize could more than double in the next 20 years compared with 2010 trend prices,"

Corn has already doubled since 2010, 18 years ahead of schedule.

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Can grown-ups even agree that ALL religions are made up horseshiat?

Nope. They can only agree that made up shiat is the best reason to murder someone.

WhyteRaven74: Wodan11: We should pull out all embassies in these nations, cut off all aid, cease all charity organizations erfforts' there.

Great idea let's just make innocent people suffer, that couldn't possibly come back to kick us in the ass.

These people not only take the US for granted, they resent simply being there in their country. You're basically taking a policy of bribery and turning it around, saying if the bribe is removed it will hurt the briber. That's the exact opposite of the rationale that convinces you to try and bribe someone in the first place: give them something to do what you want. You're saying that you have to keep giving them something or they won't do what you want. You're blackmailing yourself, which frankly is idiotic.

Let me point out that they aren't doing what you want anyway. 

The recourse of authoritarian societies (which is what these are... the theocracy is driving these actionsi) is for the people to rebel. These "innocents" have the full power and capacity to enact change. Why should they rock the boat? Answer: they won't, as long as they're getting aid. But if the theocracy costs them their free food and medical aid, they'll blame the theocracy.

Now is the time to pull out, when there is a clear source of blame. You can't do it when there isn't a significant causal factor, or they blame you.

Baryogenesis: Did you happen to think through the ramifications of US Marines shooting a bunch of unarmed rioters?

The rioters go away and our embassy is safe?

/If you're scaling an embassy wall, you are not an innocent or a civilian.
//These are not farking occupy protests, they are coordinated attacks.

Baryogenesis: HotIgneous Intruder: Father_Jack: Just to entertain the "how would I defend an embassy" scenario for a moment...kinda overkill. why not just a browning 50cal?

Two Marines with rifles would solve that climbing-the-fence problem.

HotIgneous Intruder: There is that aspect, since we're being nuanced and sophisticated here.

Yup. A lot of nuance there.

I have no doubt your idea would solve that particular fence climbing problem. Did it occur to you that shooting rioters might be a tad overzealous? Did you happen to think through the ramifications of US Marines shooting a bunch of unarmed rioters?

Unarmed != not dangerous...

Tamater: Romney's statement condemning Obama's response to this attack due any minute now.

Perhaps the only good aspect of this is that it highlights that the Republicans have once again nominated the wrong guy. Romney's political instincts are terrible. A more cunning and astute politician would have said "in our country's time of loss and grief to put aside partisanship and to back the Commander-in-Chief in making some hard decisions". Then he could look statesmanlike while authorizing another tranche of attack ads.

He could also suggest that all right-thinking Republicans attend Pastor Jones's church this Sunday. You know, just attend.

jakomo002: Waxing_Chewbacca: Answer the question. What would be your policy... Buddy. Yeman is not a threat. Correct. The terrorist there-in are. What would you do?

Get a table, a few chairs, and invite them to the table to talk. Ask them what their problem is. What are they fighting for? I mean, what are they hoping to accomplish? Their demands.

And then negotiate a fair and equitable COMPROMISE where everyone gets almost everything they want,. but with some serious and lasting concessions on each side, with clear and serious consequences if either side farks around.

Then try it out and see how it goes for the first 6 months and then go back to that same table and discuss what you can improve.

It's not rocket science. Ask the IRA.

/plus it's cheap. No trillion dollar military expenditures, just some office supplies/.

You are way out there in the blue man. The people who you wish to compromise do NOT compromise. Wow. Teach the world to sing...

Off to work. I enjoyed the sparring. I imagine there are many things we can agree on. Just not this aspect of foreign policy. Have a good day.

One Big Ass Mistake America: [i.imgur.com image 700x524]

Look at you...arguing with an empty chair again.

Waxing_Chewbacca: Answer the question. What would be your policy... Buddy. Yeman is not a threat. Correct. The terrorist there-in are. What would you do?

Get a table, a few chairs, and invite them to the table to talk. Ask them what their problem is. What are they fighting for? I mean, what are they hoping to accomplish? Their demands.

And then negotiate a fair and equitable COMPROMISE where everyone gets almost everything they want,. but with some serious and lasting concessions on each side, with clear and serious consequences if either side farks around.

Then try it out and see how it goes for the first 6 months and then go back to that same table and discuss what you can improve.

It's not rocket science. Ask the IRA.

/plus it's cheap. No trillion dollar military expenditures, just some office supplies/.

CygnusDarius: The trolls are out in force, huh?.

CygnusDarius: Tinfoil material:

Got me thinking, what if the Republicans contacted terrorist cells to use this against Obama, and win the elections?

Oh look, your right

Waxing_Chewbacca: I just get tired of the black or white foreign policy of the far right and left. Presidents like Clinton, Obama and, yes, Bush 1 are far preferable in that they had degrees of nuance and reacted to each situation not through a faithfulness to ideaology but to pragmatism.

How do you nuance a situation where there is a knife coming at your neck if you don't leave?

Waxing_Chewbacca: Seals are not always possible. You do not Put American lives at risk to ensure the lives of an equal number of innocents. Harsh but this is the real world.

And that is why you will never win the "War On Terror". You are fighting people who are willing to sacrifice everything they have to beat you, and you don't have the stomach to be on the other end of a bloody massacre.

"20 children killed in a drone strike in Yemen? Well shiat, son, them's the costs of war. Collateral damage as they say."

"4 Americans killed in Libya? OMIGOD WAAAAH! What are we going to do omigod those poor peoiple."

Sickening, really. Grow a pair of testicles and also realize that American lives are as important or unimportant as those you yourselves erase.

farking ragheads. What a bunch of worthless piles of shiat. Religion of peace strikes again.

Waxing_Chewbacca: Seals are not always possible. You do not Put American lives at risk to ensure the lives of an equal number of innocents. Harsh but this is the real world.

Naturally. That was just an example. Using SEALS to take down Osama instead of invading an entire nation.

Still, the point stands that even drone strikes have negative effects that must be factored into our decision making.

HotIgneous Intruder: BgJonson79: I'd argue the physics done 20 years earlier was the heavy lifting.

Then you'd be wrong.
It's nothing knowing the theory of how a nuclear bomb works.
A school kid can learn that.
It's everything knowing exactly how to build a nuclear bomb and what materials to use and how to produce those materials to the proper tolerances.
Read up on the Manhattan Project sometime.

I thought you only needed a city with access to uranium. Although, the downside is that nuclear weapons are then unlocked for all civilizations.

How about we put these.


On top of these.



To use only on people doing this.




That's not wrong? is it?

Waxing_Chewbacca: Boots on the ground would have been Presidents Bush 2"s position. Which is and was insane. This seems to make more sense. Or you would allow these terrorist who are using yeman as a base to live in peace and kill at will? Smart foreign policy you got there. If the peaceful people of Yeman want peace they can always decide not to tolerate the cold blooded killers who live amongst them. You have no ideas. You have coca-cola "I'd like to teach the world to sing" foreign policy.

HAHA! Yeah, if the Yemenis don't want the heavily armed militants to stay, they should just stroll over and ask them to please leave. Haha.

A lot of this is people's reactions to drone strikes and military intervention, so your suggestion is to use drones and military intervention to stop it.

That is rich, buddy. Not very well thought-out, but rich.

My suggestion is to be less paranoid and less cowardly. Yemen is hardly a threat to the USA, and the only Americans they'll kill are there in Yemen. So get them out and leave the country alone.

Your "nation-building" skills are atrocious.

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: From now on, all stories related to this alleged film should use the Irony tag.

Irony because this whole thing arises from AN UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMOUR. We don't know if the film even exists at all. Yet all this anger and violence abounds due to RUMOURS SPREAD BY THE INTERNET. Sound at all familiar to anyone?

Anyone know any Americans like that? Americans who accept as fact, or at least plausibly likely, various rumours they hear online about various things or people they're predisposed to believe such things about -- to want to believe such things about, facts and verification be damned? And then act on those beliefs in their daily lives and politics?

This goes beyond the 'chickens come home to roost' argument (which is still valid for other reasons here); this bespeaks an entire species of knee-jerking morans who probably are not collectively prepared to meet the real future challenges of this world, who can't face the hard and unpleasant truths about themselves -- and thus fulfil the vital first step of real personal change and betterment, and who simply refuse to even contemplate the ego-busting possibility of being wrong about anything.

Think about this. This ENTIRE thing is built on a mountainous landfill of practically nothing, and reacting like tiny screaming babies to that practically nothing. Not just them -- us, too: a huge amount of the anti-Muslim fever in this country is also based on prejudice, rumour, and outright lies. Not every last shred, of course, but mostly. And the fact that so many Americans take their received wisdom about all this from doubtful sources -- and then actually make important decisions based on that -- is no better than what's happening over there.

So don't y'all get too smug or judgemental. We haven't stormed any embassies lately, that's true. But when it comes to evaluating facts and deciding how to respond based on what we 'know,' we're not batting much better than anyone else.

super well said!

And no, we dont storm embassies when bad things happen to us, we make mistakes on a good ol AMERICAN scale.

Libyans get pissed off at the West for something? Raid an embassy.
Americans get pissed off at al Qaeda? Invade Iraq and kill 100,000 iraqis.

Because, hey, we "took the gloves off" and "grew some brass balls" and "[other overly simplicistic metaphor indicating manliness]", who cares if it was against the wrong people.

LawrencePerson: [www.battleswarmblog.com image 750x563]

Guess what, killer? That shiat goes on ALL THE TIME, no matter who our current homecoming queen is.

Sgt Stubby: If he ever existed, that is. The evidence points to 'prophet' mohammad actually being a composite character

I'll go with the overwhelming consensus of historians that Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad was a real individual who rallied nomadic tribesmen to become caravan raiders. The many merchant raids and battles he led his armies into are documented in non-religious historical writings, starting with The Battle of Badr fought on Saturday, 13 March 624 AD. The whole Islam as a religion thing came about 200 years after his death.

In fact, I have never even seen even one source imply he wasn't a real person. But if you have a citation otherwise I will read it.

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These threads are great for identifying the mouth breathers. Foreign policy is more nuanced and complicated than shoot first ask questions later and Muslim=bad.

"By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community."
-Oscar Wilde

truer now than when he said it.

Fark.com: Giving mouthbreathers a stage and smart people the chance to monitor them since 2001.

Muslims are no different than any other religion.
No, really.

master_dman: This just shows the complete ignorance of the muslim world.

I just watched the movie.. if this is enough to make them go batshiat crazy and riot in the streets.. they REALLY are too stupid and violent to be left to themselves.

We need to nuke it from orbit just to be sure.

You make a very valid point here.
They are some crazy, infantile people.

Baryogenesis: I'm free to ignore it in favor of intelligent discussion.

Dude, this is FARK, not the Kennedy School of Government.

This just shows the complete ignorance of the muslim world.

I just watched the movie.. if this is enough to make them go batshiat crazy and riot in the streets.. they REALLY are too stupid and violent to be left to themselves.

We need to nuke it from orbit just to be sure.

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Shhhh, you are proving the case that free speech only applies to those who agree with left democrats. Also, announcing that you are ignoring someone is just like an attention whore doing cartwheels across the page and offering BIE

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jakomo002: Waxing_Chewbacca: No. It wasn't. It was about throwing out dictators.

Except, and this is important, before the dictators were overthrown by their people, the USA fully supported those same dictators for decades.

Take Hosni Mubarak in Egypt. For 40 years he was America's best friend, recipient of billions odf dollars in military aid. Egypt wasn't at war with anyone, so the military hardware was trained on the POPULACE, to keep the dictator in control.

Do you honestly for one second believe that Egyptians are running around saying "Whoo-hoo all is forgiven America!" They're distrustful and angry. Which, based on US actions in the Middle East, they sure as shiat should be.

I understand and agree. But those who turn to terrorism must blown off the face off the planet. Drones are a surgical method of doing what must be done. So grow the fark and understand there are no absolutes in foreign policy. I'm also done with you until you can post my entire statement and not cut only what you wish to use to make your point. Oh... And this... The far-right AND the far-left have one important thing in common. An inability to understand that dogmatic adherence to ideology will very likely get us all killed.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Mugato: Lt. Cheese Weasel: It's the BIG SHIAT SAMMICH. And Obamas lack of any balls means we all get a bite. American citizens are being murdered. American soil is being over run. And we have Mickey Mouse in the White House. Libya, Cairo, now Yemen, this is just the beginning. Open Wide.

You sound tired.

I'm tired of clueless, gutless morans like you who only want to blame America and our allies first.

Well you seemed pretty quick to blame the president and make a number of empty meaningless accusations about his ability, so... you tire of yourself?

I think Mugato sort of nailed it actually.

nmemkha: While the "outrage" is most likely an excuse to vent anger at the US, they producers of the film were callously negligent. Free Speech is a right, but with every right comes a responsibility. They knew there would be violence at the release of the film and yet they released it anyway. Unfortunately, its not their loved ones who are dying, but innocent people caught up in an unnecessary firestorm.

So if the Tea Party had a history of violence would that mean that Michael Moore could never responsibly make a documentary critical of them?

/free speech is often unpopular otherwise it would need protecting

Waxing_Chewbacca: No. It wasn't. It was about throwing out dictators.

Except, and this is important, before the dictators were overthrown by their people, the USA fully supported those same dictators for decades.

Take Hosni Mubarak in Egypt. For 40 years he was America's best friend, recipient of billions odf dollars in military aid. Egypt wasn't at war with anyone, so the military hardware was trained on the POPULACE, to keep the dictator in control.

Do you honestly for one second believe that Egyptians are running around saying "Whoo-hoo all is forgiven America!" They're distrustful and angry. Which, based on US actions in the Middle East, they sure as shiat should be.

RU4C: Subby here. I thought about including a joke, but knowing the Embassy staff over there is fighting for their lives, just didn't think it was appropriate.

Well stated.

Don't worry -- this is all part of Obama's "smart diplomacy" that he promised us.

Archimedes' Principal: Let me guess, the next message from President Obama will be, " "I VERY strongly condemn the outrageous attack on our diplomatic facility in Benghazi Yemen, and fart in your general direction." 

/ Ma, it looks like them chickens is comin' home to roost.

Please explain what you think should be done without igniting the entire region and destabilizing the worlds energy markets which in turn will utterly destroy the worlds economy back to Bush 2 levels of desperation.

wippit: Your Muslims are so unlike your Muhammad.

No, the historical Muhammad actually was a rather violent, though militarily successful, warlord.

Waxing_Chewbacca: President Obama's drone program has been very effective. Don't want drones in your country? Join the world community and drag your sorry ass out of the 7th century!

Just realize that if you Do send drones to my country, and start bombing "suspected militants" (not to imply there's athe slightest lick of judicial review or any actual legal process), and you kill busloads of innocents, some of my countrymen are going to be angry and will try to even the odds by killing YOUR people wherever they can find them.

So when an embassy gets attacked and Americans die, just think this : "This is the cost of doing the kind of business we do" and man the fark up. It's just the calculus of war.

Joe Blowme: Oh the poor islamic psychos, why can we just let them kill gays and beat their women in peace right?

No, but if you constantly kill innocent people in your "stability exercises", they might just band together and try to get you back. Like, say, storming an embassy. Or flying planes into your buildings.

It's human nature to try to get revenge after you're wronged, which is what this is. Predictable even, for anyone who knows what the USA hasd been doing in Yemen to Yemenis.

None of this has to do with "Islamic psychos", it's mostly very very angry citizens of the countries where you've farked the populace over by decades of support of dictators (think Mubarak). The Arab Spring was good, but do you honestly believe that people are just going to forget the last 40 years and suddenly start waving American flags?

Lunaville: SuperT: ya know, I say just one of these shiat bird dirt holes we should just pick to treat like the romans would. Just say "I'm tired of putting up with your retarded horse shiat, you either come on board, be americans and be cool or we go full 13 legion on your ass". No occupation, just kill the opposition and get on with your day. Remind them that we treat these little pissant extremist with kid gloves because we don't want to hurt the innocent people they hide amoung.

I think I'm missing something here. Are you stating that we should demand that people in Libya and Yemen be and act as Americans?

I'd settle for civilized human beings

TheKiwiBird: LL316: nmemkha: While the "outrage" is most likely an excuse to vent anger at the US, they producers of the film were callously negligent. Free Speech is a right, but with every right comes a responsibility. They knew there would be violence at the release of the film and yet they released it anyway. Unfortunately, its not their loved ones who are dying, but innocent people caught up in an unnecessary firestorm.

Totally agree with this, but don't go putting the fault there. The fault lies with the animals who react this way over a movie, not the movie maker himself. It's the rapist, not the low cut dress that commits the bad act.

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Are you farking shiatting me?! I heard this argument yesterday and I still can't farking believe it. When a certain event causes a certain reaction in a populace with 100% repeating rate, if you do that event, you know damn well that populace is going to react as they do when they get word of it unless you live under a farking rock.

There's already a link in this thread where they SAID they knew what I said was true, and that is just willful negligence. They are as guilty for the deaths of the victims as the rioters themselves.

It's not a poor lady getting raped because she wore a low cut dress, it's a lady wearing a low cut dress while walking down an alley famous for rape attacks, with 'come and get it' signs taped on her tits and ass.

And if they had attacked the person responsible for the film, you might have an argument. But they didn't, so you don't.

digitalrain: poe_zlaw: I wonder how many low-budget lame ass movies of been made about America and Christianity in the middle east How many embassies got stormed by peaceloving Americans in the United States?

Good point. Much of the middle east HATE Westerners and are very blatant about the fact.
Do we go around storming their embassies? Do we even say "screw you - solve your own
damn problems"? Nope and nope. They hate us and we accept that as their right to do so.

On the flip side, one nutjob, who is too much of a coward to even use his real name, makes
a really, really bad movie - that is also incredibly offensive - and they take it out on folks
who had absolutely nothing to do with its production or distribution, folks whose only purpose
in being in their country in the first place is to help foster cooperation and diplomatic ties.

The stupid. It burns is islam.
FTFY

jakomo002: Of course, none of this Yemeni anger has anything to do with the fact that the U.S. has been involved in a low-level war there for years.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/09/yemen-drone-war/

29 Dead in 8 Days as U.S. Puts Yemen Drone War in Overdrive

29 dead in a little over a week. Nearly 200 gone this year. The White House is stepping up its campaign of drone attacks in Yemen, with four strikes in eight days. And not even the slaying of 10 civilians over the weekend seems to have slowed the pace in the United States' secretive, undeclared war.

TOTALLY unrelated, amirite? I'm sure Yemenis celebrate when they see a foreign government's attack drones in their skies, and they're probably unaffected when those drones bomb the shiat out of their neighbours.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/06/yemen-war/all/

After years of sending drones and commandos into Pakistan, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta last week finally admitted the obvious: The US is "fighting a war" there. But American robots and special forces aren't just targeting militants in Pakistan. They're doing the same - with increasing frequency and increasing lethality - in Yemen. The latest drone attack happened early Wednesday in the Yemeni town of Azzan, killing nine people. It's the 23rd strike in Yemen so far this year, according to the Long War Journal. In Pakistan, there have been only 22.

They can't actually defend themsleves against drone attacks, so this is probably the only way they can voice displeasure, by trashing the embassy. Because actions have consequences.

Oh the poor islamic psychos, why can we just let them kill gays and beat their women in peace right?

Joe Blowme: Islam Religion is a cancer

FTFY

The trolls are really coming out of the woodwork here.

Tamater

Romney's statement condemning Obama's response to this attack due any minute now.

Response like going to bed while the embassy is burning and the Ambassador is missing? Who could criticize such bold leadership?

Beauf: Nofun: TV's Vinnie: You know what? F*CK IT! I'm not going to get worked up about a bunch of butthurt donkey-molesters in some craphole Islamist country anymore. Haters gonna hate. Period. Nothing we do short of blowing them up will effect them.

Just

blow

them

up!



An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. If we want the moral high ground, we must act like it.

No, it leaves the whole world one-eyed and I would prefer that my enemy share my lack of depth perception. That being said, we have to be smart about how we do it. GW's approach to ridding the world of terrorists (and that of most of the right wing "just blow 'em all up" crowd) was somewhat akin to ridding the world of starfish by cutting off their arms and throwing them back into the water. I prefer the well planned surgical strike on the people responsible.

Now here's what really interests me. What would have happened if we hadn't invaded Afghanistan or Iraq? What if Bush had just killed Bin Laden and gone after Al Qaeda? Seems like we would have save trillions of dollars and accomplished about the same thing as we have today.

Skleenar: HotWingConspiracy: A lot of right wingers became experts on embassy security yesterday it seems.

"I don't understand why Obama didn't order the space marines to descend from our moon base to decimate the entire nation of Libya! This was common practice in the Reagan era! I weep for this nation."

I know, because this list of embassy attacks below didn't happen:

2002
June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb explodes outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda.

2004
Dec. 6, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia: terrorists storm the U.S. consulate, killing 5 consulate employees. 4 terrorists were killed by Saudi security.

2006
Sept. 13, Damascus, Syria: an attack by four gunman on the American embassy is foiled.

2007
Jan. 12, Athens, Greece: the U.S. embassy is fired on by an anti-tank missile causing damage but no injuries.

2008
Sept. 16, Yemen: a car bomb and a rocket strike the U.S. embassy in Yemen as staff arrived to work, killing 16 people, including 4 civilians. At least 25 suspected al-Qaeda militants are arrested for the attack.

Well yeah, but at least Bush sent a SEAL team to get bin Laden. WTF has Obama done?!

common sense is an oxymoron: In other news, the maker of the film that started it all has gone into hiding, his spokesman was chosen because he leads anti-Islamic protests at mosques and schools, and the cast claims that much of the dialogue was dubbed in without their knowledge or consent.

Link

Also...

"We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen"



Because the real problem here is too much free speech.

LawrencePerson: Barack Obama/Smart Diplomacy.jpeg

I know. Awesome news, right! Just try not to get too excited and shoot a load in your pants. Libtards might find recent semen stains as "unseemly" at a time like this.

CaptainBeer: WTF?!! I'm Irish and WE don't get this stupid even while drunk!

ah but these guys are sober stupid which is much more scary.

We have armed Marines on embassy grounds, right? They have automatic rifles available, right?

Why are the protesters who've crossed onto embassy grounds even alive?

bborchar: Places where oppression and ignorance reign protest against a country whose culture threatens that...after I got past the shock of it, I just really feel sorry for these people. They will never know peace or stability as long as the many are ruled by the few who use religion and violence as a means of suppression.

Oh the irony.

ChuDogg: Whats funny is that these protests are coming from the salafists who we helped bring to power, its the moderates and liberals who should be the most pissed off at us.

You and Mitt seem to find the death of Americans funny for some reason. Why is that?

A lot of right wingers became experts on embassy security yesterday it seems.

"I don't understand why Obama didn't order the space marines to descend from our moon base to decimate the entire nation of Libya! This was common practice in the Reagan era! I weep for this nation."

Obama is a peace guy. Why are they still mad? He is on their side.

Why aren't there heavily armed marines stationed at our embassies? Anyone gets on the gates like that, you shoot them. Have air support standing by in case you need heavy fire support. Problem solved.

Need to take the kid gloves off and leave them off. Pussy McHopeChange is just like Carter.

david_gaithersburg: Heading to Dubai for a week, curious to find out if Fark is banned there.

Nobody cares.

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Wodan11: We should pull out all embassies in these nations, cut off all aid, cease all charity organizations erfforts' there.

Great idea let's just make innocent people suffer, that couldn't possibly come back to kick us in the ass.

vegasj: Wodan11: We should pull out all embassies in these nations, cut off all aid, cease all charity organizations erfforts' there.

This, this & THIS.

We should remove all ability to effect the situation.

This is GOP strategery at its finest.

Wodan11: We should pull out all embassies in these nations, cut off all aid, cease all charity organizations erfforts' there.

This, this & THIS.