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2012-09-13 11:10:07 PM  

way south: common sense is an oxymoron: way south: common sense is an oxymoron: This asshole made a film, knowing that it would "probably" lead to mob violence...and it did. At the very least, he can be exposed as the asshole he is.

The reason why we have a first amendment right is to protect assholes as much as good citizens.

If you get into the habit of lynching people (or, just as badly, allowing them to be lynched) whenever they offend someone, what you'll find is that there are bigots ready to be "offended" by everything.

You are trading a right for security, and you'll get neither.

As I pointed out, there are already exceptions to the First Amendment's protection of speech. So that trading-rights-for-security chicken has long since been farked to death. But, hey, as long as you've got a couple of feathers left and a tube of K-Y, you might as well go for it. At the very least, it might make you feel better for a little while.

He didn't shout fire in a crowded theater.
He insulted someone's holy man.

Your exception would leave a possible farker swinging from a tree, and you honestly don't see anything wrong with that?


You think I want to see the filmmaker lynched? Or that I'm somehow defending the attackers? Hardly.

My point is that the filmmaker went into this with the understanding that it would "probably" lead to mob violence. Whether you consider the attacks senseless or not, by concerned worshipers or by bloodthirsty subhumans, they were a foreseeable (and in fact foreseen) consequence of the filmmaker's actions. Under California law, this might be considered gross negligence.

It may all be a moot point, anyway, since the Libyan attackers seem to have used the anti-film demonstrators as cover (whether planned or not remains to be seen) for their own retaliation following a previous takeout of an AQ leader in Libya. Unless there's a backlash against Coptic Christians in Egypt, the filmmaker might be off the hook.
 
2012-09-13 11:22:40 PM  
Have we apologized yet? Have we started kissing thier ass? I've been out for a couple days so this is news to me.
 
2012-09-14 12:07:53 AM  

common sense is an oxymoron: My point is that the filmmaker went into this with the understanding that it would "probably" lead to mob violence. Whether you consider the attacks senseless or not, by concerned worshipers or by bloodthirsty subhumans, they were a foreseeable (and in fact foreseen) consequence of the filmmaker's actions. Under California law, this might be considered gross negligence.


Not within the context of American society it isn't.
I haven't seen the film myself, but does it qualify as hate speech or something excessively vile to question religion?

You are suggesting the maker could foresee what would happen a year later in nations halfway around the world that are just now getting the internet. How could he predict the Arab spring or reactions from people of other cultures?

We've made being tasteless and rude into a glorious art form in the US. If every scrap of obscene material is going to cause riots, I hope to our Glorious Christian God that we don't end up liable for all of it.
 
2012-09-14 12:58:03 AM  
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see how annoying that is?
 
2012-09-14 02:12:20 AM  

way south: common sense is an oxymoron: My point is that the filmmaker went into this with the understanding that it would "probably" lead to mob violence. Whether you consider the attacks senseless or not, by concerned worshipers or by bloodthirsty subhumans, they were a foreseeable (and in fact foreseen) consequence of the filmmaker's actions. Under California law, this might be considered gross negligence.

Not within the context of American society it isn't.
I haven't seen the film myself, but does it qualify as hate speech or something excessively vile to question religion?

You are suggesting the maker could foresee what would happen a year later in nations halfway around the world that are just now getting the internet. How could he predict the Arab spring or reactions from people of other cultures?


I'm not just suggesting it. His spokesman (chosen for being a Christian activist organizing protests at mosques and schools) has openly stated, "We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen." Link

We've made being tasteless and rude into a glorious art form in the US. If every scrap of obscene material is going to cause riots, I hope to our Glorious Christian God that we don't end up liable for all of it.

We have indeed. And most of that is protected by the high bar of having to prove some sort of intent to cause harm. In this case, the filmmaker proceeded with his project over an extended period of time, deceiving dozens of participants in the process, all with the knowledge that his film would "probably" cause genuine, physical harm to someone, somewhere.

And followers of your Glorious Christian God have already been incited to mob violence over a film portrayal of their religious leader. Link
 
2012-09-14 05:57:36 AM  

swahnhennessy: Some retards make an awful video and post it on YouTube. Some other reards react badly to it. It's a circle of stupid. But for anyone convincing themselves that this is all planned by a sinister cabal of bearded men somewhere, get a grip. Time and again we've seen fundamentalist Muslims riot over what some yokel has done. The Muhammad cartoons, the Koran burnings, and now this. You've got a lot of angry, listless young men whose religion and culture forbids any sort of normal stress relief like booze or women. So when someone tells them to be outraged, they're all for it.


If other Arab countries followed Dubai's and Lebanon's lead we wouldn't have this shiat happening. Iran before the ayahtolla's was awesome.
 
2012-09-14 07:32:30 AM  

MythDragon: herrDrFarkenstein: MythDragon: I have an elegant solution from a more civilized age.

[mimg.ugo.com image 406x224]
We send Edward Norton over there, line all these assholes up along the curb, and just go down the line stomping heads.

imtheonlylp: MythDragon: I have an elegant solution from a more civilized age.

[mimg.ugo.com image 406x224]
We send Edward Norton over there, line all these assholes up along the curb, and just go down the line stomping heads.

im down. we'll eventually become a nation of pansies who are too scared to do anything to anyone because of how they'll view us. grow a pair, handle this shiat, and FTW. us or them.

So neo-Nazis are our heroes now? There's nothing sadder than internet tough fascists begging for attention while the grownups talk.

Are you paying attention? I didn't say neo-nazis. I said Edward Farking Norton. This has nothing to do with nazis, unless you know something I don't.


Google "American History X". What you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
 
2012-09-14 08:45:45 AM  

common sense is an oxymoron: And followers of your Glorious Christian God have already been incited to mob violence over a film portrayal of their religious leader. Link


And you never condemned the makers of "The Last Temptation of Christ" for their insensitivity to the Christians who rioted, did you? Were the producers all arrested for their film, which provably caused the loss of life?

/let me know when you hand Martin Scorsese over to the National Front
 
2012-09-14 08:46:59 AM  

herrDrFarkenstein: MythDragon: herrDrFarkenstein: MythDragon: I have an elegant solution from a more civilized age.

[mimg.ugo.com image 406x224]
We send Edward Norton over there, line all these assholes up along the curb, and just go down the line stomping heads.

imtheonlylp: MythDragon: I have an elegant solution from a more civilized age.

[mimg.ugo.com image 406x224]
We send Edward Norton over there, line all these assholes up along the curb, and just go down the line stomping heads.

im down. we'll eventually become a nation of pansies who are too scared to do anything to anyone because of how they'll view us. grow a pair, handle this shiat, and FTW. us or them.

So neo-Nazis are our heroes now? There's nothing sadder than internet tough fascists begging for attention while the grownups talk.

Are you paying attention? I didn't say neo-nazis. I said Edward Farking Norton. This has nothing to do with nazis, unless you know something I don't.

Google "American History X". What you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


Once again, I am not talking about the skinhead character Derek Vinyard from American History X. I'm not talking about Edward Nortan playing the character Derek Vinyard . I am talking about Edward Norton, the man himself, curb-stomping a bunch of radical Muslims (I.E. the ones that want to kill us because someone said something somewhere). Not Edward dressed up as a nazi. Not Edward with a bunch of skinhead tattoos (real or not) Just plain ol' Ed with a good pair of Bellevilles knocking out teeth and cracking jaws.
 
2012-09-14 09:28:39 AM  
Proof Obama is clueless or just a good dhimmi.... or full blown member of the death cult like he was as a child.


PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA:" Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. We see it in the history of Andalucia and Cordoba during the inquisition. I saw it firsthand as a child in Indonesia where devout Christians worshiped freely in an overwhelmingly Muslim country. That is the spirit we need today."
 
2012-09-14 10:36:08 AM  
This (NSFW) seems appropriate about now.

Once again, the Onion makes a very sharp point: There is such a thing as dangerous derangement, and sometimes it comes in the guise of philosophy, religion, or other obsessive devotion, such as to a political cause or ideal.

The Onion here makes the prima facie case that it's nearly impossible to spur most people of several major world religions to real violence over deeply offensive imagery relating to their faiths. But the deeper takaway is not, I believe, that Muslims are uniquely violent in this way. If that was true, after all, then why would so many Muslims -- millions -- not only find living in America tolerable, but desireable? The reality, of course, is that the vast majority of Muslims react to these things the same way most other humans do: with irritation, sadness, and dismay, but not with violence. It is indeed a small but extremely vocal portion of Muslims who react like this; but it is intellectually dishonest to parlay that fact into a broad characterisation of Muslims generally, never mind an indictment of Islam in the whole. Creeps like Terry Jones aren't merely trolls for this: they know the truth, the know better; they're patently evil men who get off on the controversy they're able to inspire, like a rude little boy farting on a school bus.

It is an indisputable fact that *some* Muslims have reacted to such trolling with despicable violence, and will again. It is equally indisputable that *most* have not, and will not. There are millions of Muslims in the U.S. -- where are the riots? These people are Americans, and react as other Americans do, with disgust and dismay, but not with violence.

There are many fair indictments to be made of *some* modern interpretations of Islam in some parts of the world, and the very regrettable results thereof. And as well, too, of the millions more who remain disappointingly silent over all this, which only helps fuel the flames. As King said, evil happens when good men stand silently by, so that is indeed a fair indictment. But it really is not that different from the millions of American Christians who remain mostly silent over the actions of the Jones and Phelps and other visible 'Christians' committing public acts of evil. And let us not forget also the real acts of violence committed in the names of other faiths, all over the world. Muslims do not hold a monopoly on this, they're just currently at a historical apex of it; it was once our apex to claim, too, and we should be appropriately considerate of that fact. Especially because we were mostly butchering Muslims at the time.
 
2012-09-14 04:46:07 PM  

herrDrFarkenstein: MythDragon: I have an elegant solution from a more civilized age.

[mimg.ugo.com image 406x224]
We send Edward Norton over there, line all these assholes up along the curb, and just go down the line stomping heads.

imtheonlylp: MythDragon: I have an elegant solution from a more civilized age.

[mimg.ugo.com image 406x224]
We send Edward Norton over there, line all these assholes up along the curb, and just go down the line stomping heads.

im down. we'll eventually become a nation of pansies who are too scared to do anything to anyone because of how they'll view us. grow a pair, handle this shiat, and FTW. us or them.

So neo-Nazis are our heroes now? There's nothing sadder than internet tough fascists begging for attention while the grownups talk.


then you sit around while your world is taken over by extremists...stay right there pansy pants...just like a liberal.
 
2012-09-14 05:58:23 PM  

MythDragon: herrDrFarkenstein: MythDragon: herrDrFarkenstein: MythDragon: I have an elegant solution from a more civilized age.

[mimg.ugo.com image 406x224]
We send Edward Norton over there, line all these assholes up along the curb, and just go down the line stomping heads.

imtheonlylp: MythDragon: I have an elegant solution from a more civilized age.

[mimg.ugo.com image 406x224]
We send Edward Norton over there, line all these assholes up along the curb, and just go down the line stomping heads.

im down. we'll eventually become a nation of pansies who are too scared to do anything to anyone because of how they'll view us. grow a pair, handle this shiat, and FTW. us or them.

So neo-Nazis are our heroes now? There's nothing sadder than internet tough fascists begging for attention while the grownups talk.

Are you paying attention? I didn't say neo-nazis. I said Edward Farking Norton. This has nothing to do with nazis, unless you know something I don't.

Google "American History X". What you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Once again, I am not talking about the skinhead character Derek Vinyard from American History X. I'm not talking about Edward Nortan playing the character Derek Vinyard . I am talking about Edward Norton, the man himself, curb-stomping a bunch of radical Muslims (I.E. the ones that want to kill us because someone said something somewhere). Not Edward dressed up as a nazi. Not Edward with a bunch of skinhead tattoos (real or not) Just plain ol' Ed with a good pair of Bellevilles knocking out teeth and cracking jaws.


Can someone help me out here? I'm not following this.
 
2012-09-14 06:18:12 PM  

Tatterdemalian: common sense is an oxymoron: And followers of your Glorious Christian God have already been incited to mob violence over a film portrayal of their religious leader. Link

And you never condemned the makers of "The Last Temptation of Christ" for their insensitivity to the Christians who rioted, did you? Were the producers all arrested for their film, which provably caused the loss of life?

/let me know when you hand Martin Scorsese over to the National Front


Were the makers of LToX forewarned that mobs of angry Christians would "probably" storm and set fire to movie theaters? I'm not aware that they were. If in fact they were warned, then that would mean a) the filmmakers would indeed share responsibility, and b) Christian violence is as predictable as Islamic violence.
 
2012-09-14 07:32:01 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: Tatterdemalian: common sense is an oxymoron: And followers of your Glorious Christian God have already been incited to mob violence over a film portrayal of their religious leader. Link

And you never condemned the makers of "The Last Temptation of Christ" for their insensitivity to the Christians who rioted, did you? Were the producers all arrested for their film, which provably caused the loss of life?

/let me know when you hand Martin Scorsese over to the National Front

Were the makers of LToX forewarned that mobs of angry Christians would "probably" storm and set fire to movie theaters? I'm not aware that they were. If in fact they were warned, then that would mean a) the filmmakers would indeed share responsibility, and b) Christian violence is as predictable as Islamic violence.


At any rate, the only offensive (read: hilarious) thing in the Last Temptation was the Italian American accents, and the only Christians who were offended were the kind of Christians who give their paycheck to Pat Robertson (who issued an official Declaration of War against the film and its makers, which incited--shudder--a boycott). The French fundies with the molotov cocktails received basically the same sentiment that the Muslim rioters got from Hillary Clinton, but that time it was an Archbishop saying it. Basically, you should pay no mind to the jackass you replied to.
 
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