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2012-09-13 01:54:05 PM

Mrtraveler01: Not really an answer though. How should the US have handled the "Arab Spring"?


I'm guessing the answer will be "glass parking lot", but that will escalate with a lot countries nuking each other for fear of being nuked.
 
2012-09-13 01:56:19 PM
Of course the fact that we've been conducting hunter-killer operations with drones all over Yemen for the last several years, picking and choosing allies in their low-grade civil war, has absolutely NO bearing on how they respond to an inflammatory issue. Just like the American Revolution was all about tea and the Falklands were all about penguins.
 
2012-09-13 01:57:30 PM

Mrtraveler01: So what exactly should we do again?


remove ourselves (USA) from countries that we (USA) are not welcome in

and for the love of all that is good, leave religion out of the politics

//and vice versa
 
2012-09-13 01:59:40 PM
If the producer made this film hoping for this kind of response then he does share some blame.

So the logic seems to be that, Party A will commit violence in response to speech it does not like.

Party B is aware of this, so the threat that unwanted speech will be responded to with violence is implicit.

Party B speaks anyway, and party A commits violence.

We're saying that party B shares the blame, because he knew party A was willing to commit violence...

...but in saying so, aren't we also essentially saying that party B should be obligated to allow their right to free speech to be held hostage?
 
2012-09-13 02:00:34 PM

Mrtraveler01: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Mrtraveler01: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Leadership we can all be proud of

The Commander in Chief is taking care of the diplomacy thing very nicely. This should calm things down.

[media.tumblr.com image 500x400]

We are so F*CKED.

So what exactly should we do again?

Since the GOP seems so damn sure to know the answer to every geopolitical conflict in the world. Let's hear it!

Well, whatever we do, I'm pretty sure it's not this either One Big Ass Mistake America

Gateway pundit huh?

Sounds legit.

Not really an answer though. How should the US have handled the "Arab Spring"?


You didn't even read it did you? What an asshat. Let me sum it up for you. Obama is shiatting on our allies and extending an open bar to the folks behind all this shiat. It's not an opinion, it's pure simple facts. Opening dialog with duly elected democracies is a good thing, but you don't do it while crapping on your friends.

Invasion of US Embassies? How's about defending US citizens and soil? You know, like shooting at people climbing the walls? Sounds radical I know.
 
2012-09-13 02:02:56 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: In other news, the maker of the film that started it all has gone into hiding, his spokesman was chosen because he leads anti-Islamic protests at mosques and schools, and the cast claims that much of the dialogue was dubbed in without their knowledge or consent.

Link

Also...

"We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen"



farking asshole. This needs to be front page news on every goddamn paper and website.
 
2012-09-13 02:04:02 PM
So, after 50 years of propping up dictators, teaching their security forces the art of torture, supplying them with hand-crank generators and other tools of torture, and committing acts of terrorism, um, I mean war, um I mean covert operations, they've decided that they've had enough?

Gee, who would have guessed?
 
2012-09-13 02:04:27 PM

CygnusDarius: Lunaville: Coelacanth: MEANWHILE: The Men Behind 'Innocence Of Muslims' Revealed As Anti-Government Domestic Terrorists Link

That gives us a lot to think about.

Who benefits from the downfall of the US government and the death of minorities?.

These guys:

[images.alternet.org image 512x341]



yup.
 
2012-09-13 02:04:54 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Mrtraveler01: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Mrtraveler01: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Leadership we can all be proud of

The Commander in Chief is taking care of the diplomacy thing very nicely. This should calm things down.

[media.tumblr.com image 500x400]

We are so F*CKED.

So what exactly should we do again?

Since the GOP seems so damn sure to know the answer to every geopolitical conflict in the world. Let's hear it!

Well, whatever we do, I'm pretty sure it's not this either One Big Ass Mistake America

Gateway pundit huh?

Sounds legit.

Not really an answer though. How should the US have handled the "Arab Spring"?

You didn't even read it did you? What an asshat. Let me sum it up for you. Obama is shiatting on our allies and extending an open bar to the folks behind all this shiat. It's not an opinion, it's pure simple facts. Opening dialog with duly elected democracies is a good thing, but you don't do it while crapping on your friends.

Invasion of US Embassies? How's about defending US citizens and soil? You know, like shooting at people climbing the walls? Sounds radical I know.


The CONSULATE in Benghazi where the killing happened was NOT AN EMBASSY. It had minimal security in the first place. Many nations have consulates that are extension offices of their embassies. Embassies go in capitals, and might have big walls and Marines. Consulates are in office buildings.

Also, foreigners shooting crowds can make things worse when (if at an embassy) you have hardened safe rooms and local national troops can shoot the crowd for you (as in Yemen).

Next.
 
2012-09-13 02:05:04 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: You didn't even read it did you?


When you give me a source that has a consistent reputation to either flat out lie or take things out of context, it's hard to take anything they say seriously.

If you really wanted to make your point you could've just linked to something from a legitimate website instead of some right-wing hack with an internet connection.
 
2012-09-13 02:06:22 PM

dababler: common sense is an oxymoron: In other news, the maker of the film that started it all has gone into hiding, his spokesman was chosen because he leads anti-Islamic protests at mosques and schools, and the cast claims that much of the dialogue was dubbed in without their knowledge or consent.

Link

Also...

"We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen"


farking asshole. This needs to be front page news on every goddamn paper and website.


That is the person you turn your hatred to? LOL. Wow. Words are just that, words. You shouldn't have to ever edit yourself because of someone might do as a result of your words. No matter how you look at it, the guilty party here are those that stormed the embassies and committed acts of violence. That's it. No other blame can be placed here.
 
2012-09-13 02:06:51 PM

Nofun: An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. If we want the moral high ground, we must act like it.


Morals are good in peace. Not so good in war.
 
2012-09-13 02:08:48 PM

the money is in the banana stand: dababler: common sense is an oxymoron: In other news, the maker of the film that started it all has gone into hiding, his spokesman was chosen because he leads anti-Islamic protests at mosques and schools, and the cast claims that much of the dialogue was dubbed in without their knowledge or consent.

Link

Also...

"We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen"


farking asshole. This needs to be front page news on every goddamn paper and website.

That is the person you turn your hatred to? LOL. Wow. Words are just that, words. You shouldn't have to ever edit yourself because of someone might do as a result of your words. No matter how you look at it, the guilty party here are those that stormed the embassies and committed acts of violence. That's it. No other blame can be placed here.


While I generally agree, watching their friends and neighbors evaporate due to drone strikes might have had something to do with it.
 
2012-09-13 02:12:38 PM

China White Tea: If the producer made this film hoping for this kind of response then he does share some blame.

So the logic seems to be that, Party A will commit violence in response to speech it does not like.

Party B is aware of this, so the threat that unwanted speech will be responded to with violence is implicit.

Party B speaks anyway, and party A commits violence.

We're saying that party B shares the blame, because he knew party A was willing to commit violence...

...but in saying so, aren't we also essentially saying that party B should be obligated to allow their right to free speech to be held hostage?


I'm pretty sure what we're saying is that if you are gonna be a dick, and you know that your dickishness tends to make a small minority of the target audience wayyyyyyyyy too upset and they start killing people, then you should be able to understand that it was probably really stupid and reckless to be a dick to those people. It's not about these loaded words you use like "obligation" "right to free speech held hostage" "blame". It's about not provoking this small minority of people with a history of mental illness and violent outbursts. If you poke a bear and it bites you, yeah that is an out-of-proportion response. But you're still a dumbass for poking that bear over and over and then acting like "WTF he's biting me."

DO NOT POKE THE farkING BEAR YOU farkING IDIOTS
 
2012-09-13 02:13:00 PM

dababler: common sense is an oxymoron: In other news, the maker of the film that started it all has gone into hiding, his spokesman was chosen because he leads anti-Islamic protests at mosques and schools, and the cast claims that much of the dialogue was dubbed in without their knowledge or consent.

Link

Also...

"We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen"


farking asshole. This needs to be front page news on every goddamn paper and website.


That they suspected that this was going to happen is actually a fairly powerful piece of information. Couldn't this have thus been used as a sort of sting operation to capture and bring to justice most of the extremists?

Like the rapist argument, if you know a rapist will strike at the provocative dress, then have a cop right there ready to swoop in on him when the trigger goes.
 
2012-09-13 02:15:05 PM

rohar: the money is in the banana stand: dababler: common sense is an oxymoron: In other news, the maker of the film that started it all has gone into hiding, his spokesman was chosen because he leads anti-Islamic protests at mosques and schools, and the cast claims that much of the dialogue was dubbed in without their knowledge or consent.

Link

Also...

"We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen"


farking asshole. This needs to be front page news on every goddamn paper and website.

That is the person you turn your hatred to? LOL. Wow. Words are just that, words. You shouldn't have to ever edit yourself because of someone might do as a result of your words. No matter how you look at it, the guilty party here are those that stormed the embassies and committed acts of violence. That's it. No other blame can be placed here.

While I generally agree, watching their friends and neighbors evaporate due to drone strikes might have had something to do with it.


Yes I am sure that is why they were burning cars and trying to steal computers and furniture conveniently on and right after 9/11 because they were so outraged by the film or the US drone strikes. No, this is just an angry mob of thugs and degenerates that jumped on the bandwagon of a coordinated attack plan.
 
2012-09-13 02:17:15 PM

Sgt Stubby: Derp derp derp derp derp derp derp from the NFM. Derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp


I actually had to google this.

For those of you who doubt that Murdoch's empire is anything more than the propoganda arm of a huge wingnut cult, they are now referring to every other source of information in the world as "Non-Fox News" as if it's some kind of indictment
 
2012-09-13 02:18:12 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Sgt Stubby: Derp derp derp derp derp derp derp from the NFM. Derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp

I actually had to google this.

For those of you who doubt that Murdoch's empire is anything more than the propoganda arm of a huge wingnut cult, they are now referring to every other source of information in the world as "Non-Fox News" as if it's some kind of indictment


HAHA, I'm a dumbass, it's actually Non-Fox Media
 
2012-09-13 02:20:36 PM
I am wearing this shirt today

unclejimbo.com
 
2012-09-13 02:21:47 PM

Joe Six-Keg: duckfarkit: Sweet baby Jesus. The reverb from the Arab Spring. I so want Obama to handle this well; otherwise this is ammo for the rtards & a recipe for disaster

Problem is, no matter how the President handles it, it's ammo for the Tea Party/Republicans/Neocons. Pathetic that such things are politicized so freaking badly, and that there are some people who are cheering for the deaths of Americans just to make "the other side" look bad.


You mean thy may do exactly what you just did? People are so blindly partisan, sad sad.
 
2012-09-13 02:22:01 PM

Blue_Blazer: this small minority


hmm

Blue_Blazer: I'm pretty sure what we're saying is that if you are gonna be a dick


does, 'openly and honestly discussing reality' qualify as "being a dick" because IDW is often guilty of this, and according to your criteria we ought to label him as a "dick"

any objections?

/anyone have a button to push that will terminate him??
 
2012-09-13 02:23:49 PM

Blue_Blazer: China White Tea: If the producer made this film hoping for this kind of response then he does share some blame.

So the logic seems to be that, Party A will commit violence in response to speech it does not like.

Party B is aware of this, so the threat that unwanted speech will be responded to with violence is implicit.

Party B speaks anyway, and party A commits violence.

We're saying that party B shares the blame, because he knew party A was willing to commit violence...

...but in saying so, aren't we also essentially saying that party B should be obligated to allow their right to free speech to be held hostage?

I'm pretty sure what we're saying is that if you are gonna be a dick, and you know that your dickishness tends to make a small minority of the target audience wayyyyyyyyy too upset and they start killing people, then you should be able to understand that it was probably really stupid and reckless to be a dick to those people. It's not about these loaded words you use like "obligation" "right to free speech held hostage" "blame". It's about not provoking this small minority of people with a history of mental illness and violent outbursts. If you poke a bear and it bites you, yeah that is an out-of-proportion response. But you're still a dumbass for poking that bear over and over and then acting like "WTF he's biting me."

DO NOT POKE THE farkING BEAR YOU farkING IDIOTS


The person who poked the bear wasn't bitten, though, so your analogy is largely nonsensical and doesn't actually relate to anything that happened here. Party A poked the bear, Party B, and it bit Party C.

Also, why is the guy saying the mean things the "dick" in this case? I would personally apply that label to anyone who will start arbitrarily killing people if you say something they don't like.

So yes, you are, in fact, advocating that people should feel an obligation to allow their speech to be held hostage.
 
2012-09-13 02:25:38 PM

Virtual_Mischief: One Big Ass Mistake America: [i.imgur.com image 700x524]

I dearly wish that Fark would add a [Daft] button as a complement to [Smart] and [Funny]. It would be rather useful on days like this.


I was thinking Fark needed a "You're Straight Retarded and Should be Physically Prevented from Breeding" button but "Daft" fits the layout better. Also, if enough people think your retarded it should automatically turn your post to gibberish.
 
2012-09-13 02:25:54 PM

Atomic Spunk: The world is going crazy. Buy gold.


When I typed this last night, gold was $1,730/oz.. Now it's over $1,770/oz.. If you had listened to me, you could have made about 2.5% in less than 12 hours. And it's still going up.

Not too late to buy gold. The world is going crazy. The last time we had a major embassy attack was in the late 70s. That was when gold had hit it's inflation-adjusted peak. It's funny how history has a way of repeating itself.
 
2012-09-13 02:27:54 PM

the money is in the banana stand: rohar: the money is in the banana stand: dababler: common sense is an oxymoron: In other news, the maker of the film that started it all has gone into hiding, his spokesman was chosen because he leads anti-Islamic protests at mosques and schools, and the cast claims that much of the dialogue was dubbed in without their knowledge or consent.

Link

Also...

"We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen"


farking asshole. This needs to be front page news on every goddamn paper and website.

That is the person you turn your hatred to? LOL. Wow. Words are just that, words. You shouldn't have to ever edit yourself because of someone might do as a result of your words. No matter how you look at it, the guilty party here are those that stormed the embassies and committed acts of violence. That's it. No other blame can be placed here.

While I generally agree, watching their friends and neighbors evaporate due to drone strikes might have had something to do with it.

Yes I am sure that is why they were burning cars and trying to steal computers and furniture conveniently on and right after 9/11 because they were so outraged by the film or the US drone strikes. No, this is just an angry mob of thugs and degenerates that jumped on the bandwagon of a coordinated attack plan.


Uh, there was no film in Yemen, they actually watched their neighbors get cut down by drone strikes. In HD real life. You're not keeping up are you?
 
2012-09-13 02:28:17 PM

Atomic Spunk: Atomic Spunk: The world is going crazy. Buy gold.

When I typed this last night, gold was $1,730/oz.. Now it's over $1,770/oz.. If you had listened to me, you could have made about 2.5% in less than 12 hours. And it's still going up.

Not too late to buy gold. The world is going crazy. The last time we had a major embassy attack was in the late 70s. That was when gold had hit it's inflation-adjusted peak. It's funny how history has a way of repeating itself.


Why does that happen?
 
2012-09-13 02:28:46 PM

Atomic Spunk: Atomic Spunk: The world is going crazy. Buy gold.

When I typed this last night, gold was $1,730/oz.. Now it's over $1,770/oz.. If you had listened to me, you could have made about 2.5% in less than 12 hours. And it's still going up.

Not too late to buy gold. The world is going crazy. The last time we had a major embassy attack was in the late 70s. That was when gold had hit it's inflation-adjusted peak. It's funny how history has a way of repeating itself.


The world isn't going crazy, just the Middle East. They are a bunch of backwards savages anyways so it is to be expected. Now, had this happened in say Germany - then that is cause for a major alarm.
 
2012-09-13 02:29:04 PM

Blue_Blazer:

DO NOT POKE THE farkING BEAR YOU farkING IDIOTS


We should just outlaw abortions then I guess, you insight people with that and they just end up blowing up clinics. Prolly should just adopt the westburough church thinking too, they seem to get pissed at stuff quite frequently. I don't think the ELF likes cutting down trees for houses and stuff, leading to burning of university building researching geneology and botany, so we should prolly not research that stuf any more and live in mud huts.
 
2012-09-13 02:29:37 PM

Blue_Blazer: DO NOT POKE THE farkING BEAR YOU farkING IDIOTS


also, i hate to be that guy

but if you are attempting to convince the IDIOTS (free speech americans) not to poke stuff, perhaps it would help not to reveal the nature of your argument in that (muslims) are THE farkING BEAR

they might take offense to your comparison

...and chop your head off

sorry to interrupt, please enlighten us how to be more one with the Religion of Peace
 
2012-09-13 02:30:44 PM

rohar: the money is in the banana stand: rohar: the money is in the banana stand: dababler: common sense is an oxymoron: In other news, the maker of the film that started it all has gone into hiding, his spokesman was chosen because he leads anti-Islamic protests at mosques and schools, and the cast claims that much of the dialogue was dubbed in without their knowledge or consent.

Link

Also...

"We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen"


farking asshole. This needs to be front page news on every goddamn paper and website.

That is the person you turn your hatred to? LOL. Wow. Words are just that, words. You shouldn't have to ever edit yourself because of someone might do as a result of your words. No matter how you look at it, the guilty party here are those that stormed the embassies and committed acts of violence. That's it. No other blame can be placed here.

While I generally agree, watching their friends and neighbors evaporate due to drone strikes might have had something to do with it.

Yes I am sure that is why they were burning cars and trying to steal computers and furniture conveniently on and right after 9/11 because they were so outraged by the film or the US drone strikes. No, this is just an angry mob of thugs and degenerates that jumped on the bandwagon of a coordinated attack plan.

Uh, there was no film in Yemen, they actually watched their neighbors get cut down by drone strikes. In HD real life. You're not keeping up are you?


And your reading comprehension is that of a kindergartener. This is a bunch of bullshiat, just excuses for angry barbarians to kill Americans.
 
2012-09-13 02:32:09 PM

the money is in the banana stand: rohar: the money is in the banana stand: rohar: the money is in the banana stand: dababler: common sense is an oxymoron: In other news, the maker of the film that started it all has gone into hiding, his spokesman was chosen because he leads anti-Islamic protests at mosques and schools, and the cast claims that much of the dialogue was dubbed in without their knowledge or consent.

Link

Also...

"We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen"


farking asshole. This needs to be front page news on every goddamn paper and website.

That is the person you turn your hatred to? LOL. Wow. Words are just that, words. You shouldn't have to ever edit yourself because of someone might do as a result of your words. No matter how you look at it, the guilty party here are those that stormed the embassies and committed acts of violence. That's it. No other blame can be placed here.

While I generally agree, watching their friends and neighbors evaporate due to drone strikes might have had something to do with it.

Yes I am sure that is why they were burning cars and trying to steal computers and furniture conveniently on and right after 9/11 because they were so outraged by the film or the US drone strikes. No, this is just an angry mob of thugs and degenerates that jumped on the bandwagon of a coordinated attack plan.

Uh, there was no film in Yemen, they actually watched their neighbors get cut down by drone strikes. In HD real life. You're not keeping up are you?

And your reading comprehension is that of a kindergartener. This is a bunch of bullshiat, just excuses for angry barbarians to kill Americans.


You're probably right. It's better to have excuses for angry Americans to kill barbarians.

/wait, what?
 
2012-09-13 02:33:02 PM
Things I learned in this thread:

1) Unless your response to an angry crowd is to immediately spray them with bullets, you're a liberal pussy

2) Unless your response to an attack on an American embassy is the immediate launch of a few dozen tomahawk missiles at the host country, you're a liberal pussy.

3) Diplomacy is for liberal pussies.

4) When you are attacked, anything other than an immediate, indiscriminate response with fatal violence is a groveling apology

5) There are a lot of angry, frustrated Right Wing Authoritarian Followers on Fark, and they all have the same sad ITG response. CRY MOAR TUFFGUYS - maybe if you stamp your feet harder, Obama will act like the ignorant, violent, xenophobic, reactionary, smallminded bullyboy that you would be if you were in charge.

But probably not.

You'll get over it
 
2012-09-13 02:34:19 PM
CNN's out with the producer's real name: Abenob Nakoula Basseley.

Not that he should be made famous, but... well, people need to know who exactly they're trying to punish.
 
2012-09-13 02:34:45 PM

I drunk what: Blue_Blazer: this small minority

hmm

Blue_Blazer: I'm pretty sure what we're saying is that if you are gonna be a dick

does, 'openly and honestly discussing reality' qualify as "being a dick" because IDW is often guilty of this, and according to your criteria we ought to label him as a "dick"

any objections?

/anyone have a button to push that will terminate him??


Pretty sure that's my point, that ONLY A SMALL MINORITY OF MUSLIMS are reacting violently to this, and WE SHOULD NOT lump them all together. But good job.

If by "openly and honestly" you mean "making a bullshiat video that you had to lie to the cast to even make and tell a bunch of lies about the Prophet (who they have told you they believe should never be visualized) and calling accusing him of various crimes and transgressions of their faith" then yeah, this is video is a textbook example of speaking "openly and honestly"
 
2012-09-13 02:37:39 PM

China White Tea: Blue_Blazer: China White Tea:

Also, why is the guy saying the mean things the "dick" in this case? I would personally apply that label to anyone who will start arbitrarily killing people if you say something they don't like.

So yes, you are, in fact, advocating that people should feel an obligation to allow their speech to be held hostage.


If you don't understand how this movie is "being a dick" then i can't really help you with that.

Recognizing the outcome of your speech is not the same as it being held hostage. What do you want me to say? That I agree with you and prefer that people continue to provoke and antagonize others? And then still act surprised when a small minority of the audience uses the video as an accuse to act violently?
 
2012-09-13 02:40:06 PM

I drunk what: Blue_Blazer: DO NOT POKE THE farkING BEAR YOU farkING IDIOTS

also, i hate to be that guy

but if you are attempting to convince the IDIOTS (free speech americans) not to poke stuff, perhaps it would help not to reveal the nature of your argument in that (muslims) are THE farkING BEAR

they might take offense to your comparison

...and chop your head off

sorry to interrupt, please enlighten us how to be more one with the Religion of Peace


Bears are strong and awesome, who would get pissed about being called a bear?
/no I am not talking about the gay ones
//nttawwt
 
2012-09-13 02:42:39 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Things I learned in this thread:

1) Unless your response to an angry crowd is to immediately spray them with bullets, you're a liberal pussy

2) Unless your response to an attack on an American embassy is the immediate launch of a few dozen tomahawk missiles at the host country, you're a liberal pussy.

3) Diplomacy is for liberal pussies.

4) When you are attacked, anything other than an immediate, indiscriminate response with fatal violence is a groveling apology

5) There are a lot of angry, frustrated Right Wing Authoritarian Followers on Fark, and they all have the same sad ITG response. CRY MOAR TUFFGUYS - maybe if you stamp your feet harder, Obama will act like the ignorant, violent, xenophobic, reactionary, smallminded bullyboy that you would be if you were in charge.

But probably not.

You'll get over it


Things I have learned from C-A-D

1) Killing americans because you heard of some random video on You-Tube, which is prolly censored anyhow in thier country, is justifiable cause to kill American Citizens.

2) We should ignore any past and current behavior of people and assume if we just give enough hugs we will be loved the world over.

3) As long as someone getting killed is due to a reason I tend to agree with, its fine and if we just turn the other cheek this time it won't happen again.
 
2012-09-13 02:46:01 PM

Cuyose: Blue_Blazer:

DO NOT POKE THE farkING BEAR YOU farkING IDIOTS

We should just outlaw abortions then I guess, you insight people with that and they just end up blowing up clinics. Prolly should just adopt the westburough church thinking too, they seem to get pissed at stuff quite frequently. I don't think the ELF likes cutting down trees for houses and stuff, leading to burning of university building researching geneology and botany, so we should prolly not research that stuf any more and live in mud huts.


Incite.
I'm not saying we should outlaw speech. That's the point. I agree, free speech rah rah. But if that doesn't protect you from the repercussions of that speech. And if you KNOW what the repercussions will be BEFORE you speak, then you have to be a farking idiot to go on unless you are TRYING to get people killed.
You don't mock a bully and his mother and then say "free speech" when he beats the shiat out of you. Have some farking sense, that's what I'm saying, I'm not saying "CENSORSHIP! fark YEAH!"
 
2012-09-13 02:46:31 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: When you are attacked, anything other than an immediate, indiscriminate response with fatal violence is a groveling apology


Lemme gues...you kept giving the bully your lunch money in school instead of punching them in the face the first time they demanded it?
 
2012-09-13 02:47:15 PM
If you don't understand how this movie is "being a dick" then i can't really help you with that.

You do understand there is a difference between "being a dick" and "being responsible", right? I never said he wasn't a dick. I said he wasn't responsible for the fact that, when presented with someone "being a dick", some people completely lose your shiat.

That really isn't his problem. You are effectively asserting that we only have a right to free speech in an environment where all actors are sane and relatively reasonable people. That isn't how it works.
 
2012-09-13 02:47:20 PM

Gosling: CNN's out with the producer's real name: Abenob Nakoula Basseley.

Not that he should be made famous, but... well, people need to know who exactly they're trying to punish.


Ooh good. Now we have someone specific to lynch as an apology for harboring the arcane values of free speech.
I'm sure the people behind these attacks will focus their aggression exclusively on him and not on any other Coptic Christians that happen to be standing around.

/Its an election year, so under the bus with the lot of you!
 
2012-09-13 02:47:50 PM

Gosling: CNN's out with the producer's real name: Abenob Nakoula Basseley.

Not that he should be made famous, but... well, people need to know who exactly they're trying to punish.


Red Herring.

They were celebrating the anniversary of 9-11. Trying to pin this on a movie is a page out of the GOPs book of non factual statements.
 
2012-09-13 02:49:07 PM

Blue_Blazer: Cuyose: Blue_Blazer:

DO NOT POKE THE farkING BEAR YOU farkING IDIOTS

We should just outlaw abortions then I guess, you insight people with that and they just end up blowing up clinics. Prolly should just adopt the westburough church thinking too, they seem to get pissed at stuff quite frequently. I don't think the ELF likes cutting down trees for houses and stuff, leading to burning of university building researching geneology and botany, so we should prolly not research that stuf any more and live in mud huts.

Incite.
I'm not saying we should outlaw speech. That's the point. I agree, free speech rah rah. But if that doesn't protect you from the repercussions of that speech. And if you KNOW what the repercussions will be BEFORE you speak, then you have to be a farking idiot to go on unless you are TRYING to get people killed.
You don't mock a bully and his mother and then say "free speech" when he beats the shiat out of you. Have some farking sense, that's what I'm saying, I'm not saying "CENSORSHIP! fark YEAH!"


Abortions cause people top bomb abortion clinics, so we should not do abortions. That is your thinking. That is the repercusion of performing abortions.
 
2012-09-13 02:49:12 PM

Blue_Blazer: You don't mock a bully and his mother and then say "free speech" when he beats the shiat out of you. Have some farking sense, that's what I'm saying, I'm not saying "CENSORSHIP! fark YEAH!"



Your analogies are getting progressively more absurd. In the above situation you most assuredly could do that, and fully expect the bully to be be charged with assault and battery.
 
2012-09-13 02:49:28 PM

I drunk what: Mrtraveler01: So what exactly should we do again?

remove ourselves (USA) from countries that we (USA) are not welcome in

and for the love of all that is good, leave religion out of the politics

//and vice versa


We're welcome in Egypt, Yemen, and Libya. Their governments say we are, and as long as that's the case, the US has a right to set up diplomatic missions.

I love how this somehow becomes an instance of us sticking our nose where it doesn't belong. This is a battle of cultures. So far, when younger Arabs are exposed to Western culture, they tend to pick elements up. We don't hold a gun to anyone's head to make this happen. On the other hand, you have the hard-liners in these nations, who, when presented with young people who like a few outside ideas, tend to want to do whatever it takes (up to and including mass murder) to keep new ideas from coming into their domains. The Skateistan thread yesterday is a perfect example. Australian skateboarder goes to Afghanistan, rides his board through Kabul, and gets mobbed by a bunch of Afghan children, who think this may be the coolest thing they've ever seen in their entire lives. So the Australian sets up a NGO, the kids start riding skateboards, and militants set off a bomb near where the Skateistan operation is headquartered. None of the kids were forced to ride skateboards. If you know anything about skater culture, you'd know it's about as Western as it farking gets. They just liked it. Cultural imperialism isn't cultural imperialism when the people who are on the receiving end of the outside influence like the things being presented.

I've got an idea that beats leaving: how about these societies stop murdering foreigners in their countries who have different ideas? You know, like civilized nations do.
 
2012-09-13 02:49:39 PM

Blue_Blazer: You don't mock a bully and his mother and then say "free speech" when he beats the shiat out of you. Have some farking sense, that's what I'm saying, I'm not saying "CENSORSHIP! fark YEAH!"


This.
 
2012-09-13 02:49:52 PM

way south: Gosling: CNN's out with the producer's real name: Abenob Nakoula Basseley.

Not that he should be made famous, but... well, people need to know who exactly they're trying to punish.

Ooh good. Now we have someone specific to lynch as an apology for harboring the arcane values of free speech.
I'm sure the people behind these attacks will focus their aggression exclusively on him and not on any other Coptic Christians that happen to be standing around.

/Its an election year, so under the bus with the lot of you!


We haven't come that far from throwing someone into a volcano to appease the gods....the funny thing is most people here are atheists.
 
2012-09-13 02:51:24 PM

China White Tea: If you don't understand how this movie is "being a dick" then i can't really help you with that.


That really isn't his problem. You are effectively asserting that we only have a right to free speech in an environment where all actors are sane and relatively reasonable people. That isn't how it works.


No i'm not trying to limit "free speech" rights at all. You are effectively asserting that you can put your words in my mouth. My speech is free but it's not THAT free.
I agree that people are using this video as cover for their own political agenda. I hate that people are dumb enough to give them ammo like this. This video is the Sine qua non of their protests. I understand that Yemen also has the whole "lots of drone strikes" thing going on.
My person opinion is that this is meant to drive a wedge between the US and Yemeni gov'ts.
 
2012-09-13 02:51:32 PM

Blue_Blazer: You don't mock a bully and his mother and then say "free speech" when he beats the shiat out of you.


No you punch them in the face to show you aren't some weak appeasement monkey.
 
2012-09-13 02:53:46 PM

Cuyose: Blue_Blazer: Cuyose: Blue_Blazer:
Abortions cause people top bomb abortion clinics, so we should not do abortions. That is your thinking. That is the repercusion of performing abortions.


That is not my thinking.
Are you a Republican? We have serious big issues going on and all you can think about is abortion. Are you thinking about rape too?
 
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