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2012-09-13 08:54:45 AM

WhiskeyBender: Cheviot: We have armed Marines on embassy grounds, right? They have automatic rifles available, right?

Why are the protesters who've crossed onto embassy grounds even alive?

The protesters now are unarmed. If we started killing unarmed people now it would create a full on battle before our Marines got there. We would reallllllyyy look good shooting unarmed kids.


They're invading US territory and destroying American property. Shoot them.
 
2012-09-13 08:55:08 AM

Emracool the Aeons Hip: somedude210: /wouldn't at all be surprised if this traced back to Team Romney

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That's simply not true, Obama's apologetic stance on America is what causes these awful tragedies that befell our Embassies abroad. If you send me to the White House in November, I promise I will never apologize for American films and American Freedoms™ Stay with Christ


He's a Mormon, not a Christian
 
2012-09-13 08:55:33 AM

Joe Six-Keg: Kittypie070: F********CK IS SOMEONE SLIPPING LDS INTO THE WATER SUPPLIES!!??

If that was an intentional typo, that's some funny right there.


He took a little too much back in the '60s
 
2012-09-13 08:55:54 AM

Sgt Stubby: Mocking, ridiculing and attacking Christians is A-OK. Just don't utter a word against islam. Don't you DARE...


Oh, for me my reaction to Islam is a bit more visceral. But really, anyone who takes an invisible sky fairy that seriously just deserves to be mocked.
 
2012-09-13 08:56:08 AM

jakomo002: Waxing_Chewbacca: No. It wasn't. It was about throwing out dictators.

Except, and this is important, before the dictators were overthrown by their people, the USA fully supported those same dictators for decades.

Take Hosni Mubarak in Egypt. For 40 years he was America's best friend, recipient of billions odf dollars in military aid. Egypt wasn't at war with anyone, so the military hardware was trained on the POPULACE, to keep the dictator in control.

Do you honestly for one second believe that Egyptians are running around saying "Whoo-hoo all is forgiven America!" They're distrustful and angry. Which, based on US actions in the Middle East, they sure as shiat should be.


Lesser of 2 evils, strongman of islamic pshychos... i have to go with the strongman who will keep savages in check. Besides, they drew first blood in 1790's, Barbary Pirates and all that so can we just point to that as justification to kill them? Or can we go back further and blame the taking of Vienna? Or Spain? Ect...
 
2012-09-13 08:56:10 AM

Sgt Stubby: ThrobblefootSpectre: the historical Muhammad actually was a rather violent, though militarily successful, warlord.


If he ever existed, that is. The evidence points to 'prophet' mohammad actually being a composite character (much like those in the book that bill ayers wrote for fartbongo). Most of the koran is just re-hashed stuff from the Bible. They couldn't even come up with new characters. The rest, as is widely agreed, is incomprehensible babble.

It is to religion what kwanzaa is to Christmas. But we can't talk about that. 


/btw, why is everyone forced to say and write 'prophet mohammad' when discussing islam but not Lord Jesus when referencing Christianity? Oh, I forgot. Islam might get angry... and people could die.


Probably because the Lord Jesus was made up at the councel at Nicea by Constantine.
 
2012-09-13 08:56:24 AM

Sm3agol85: Good lord people....what the fark? I see post after post blaming the film maker for this, and wanting to throw him to the angry crowd and such..........WTF? So we're groveling at the feet of Islam now, and telling them that freedom of speech means nothing to us? Fark them, and fark you "apologists" too. Yes, the guy who made the video is an idiot. Being an idiot is not illegal, storming a foreign embassy is illegal. Insinuating that the film maker is somehow responsible for people rioting and killing people is pretty hilariously close to blaming a rape victim for wearing a revealing dress. Yes, the video was provocative. That is not illegal, killing people is illegal, even over there. There is only one group at fault here, and that is the rioters. If you can't deal with a random Youtube video without rioting, then you are a farking bunch of idiots deserving of zero respect. Pick literally anything on the planet and you can probably find a youtube video ridiculing it. If you find something that hasn't been ridiculed yet, let me know, and I'll make one myself. Islam shouldn't be the only thing on the planet you're not allowed to ridicule. Fark them.


You're making too damned much sense! That's not allowed in here!!! STFU and GBTW!!!


/I wish I'd said everything you just did.

 
2012-09-13 08:56:32 AM

RolandGunner: common sense is an oxymoron: In other news, the maker of the film that started it all has gone into hiding, his spokesman was chosen because he leads anti-Islamic protests at mosques and schools, and the cast claims that much of the dialogue was dubbed in without their knowledge or consent.

Link

Also...

"We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen"



Because the real problem here is too much free speech.


Free Speech doesn't cover saying things Liberals don't like.
 
2012-09-13 08:57:36 AM

Cheviot: We have armed Marines on embassy grounds, right? They have automatic rifles available, right?

Why are the protesters who've crossed onto embassy grounds even alive?


These questions need to be asked. But our media won't do it.

I do believe they were taken out beforehand (and yes, these were planned attacks)... or they were told to stand down, do nothing.

But our Dem media is too busy blasting Romney for speaking out instead of asking these questions.

 
2012-09-13 08:57:51 AM

Sgt Stubby: Why is everyone forced to say and write 'prophet mohammad' when discussing islam but not Lord Jesus when referencing Christianity? Oh, I forgot. Islam might get angry... and people could die.


You all (Christian, Jewish, Muslim) are farking idiots, blindly following the shiat your parents shoved down your throats. Grow the fark up already. This applies x2 to the Muslims, as they seem to be the ones blowing up more shiat this century. Leave the rest of us alone. We are so farking sick of you all.
 
2012-09-13 08:58:01 AM

jakomo002: Waxing_Chewbacca: No. It wasn't. It was about throwing out dictators.

Except, and this is important, before the dictators were overthrown by their people, the USA fully supported those same dictators for decades.

Take Hosni Mubarak in Egypt. For 40 years he was America's best friend, recipient of billions odf dollars in military aid. Egypt wasn't at war with anyone, so the military hardware was trained on the POPULACE, to keep the dictator in control.

Do you honestly for one second believe that Egyptians are running around saying "Whoo-hoo all is forgiven America!" They're distrustful and angry. Which, based on US actions in the Middle East, they sure as shiat should be.


I understand and agree. But those who turn to terrorism must blown off the face off the planet. Drones are a surgical method of doing what must be done. So grow the fark and understand there are no absolutes in foreign policy. I'm also done with you until you can post my entire statement and not cut only what you wish to use to make your point. Oh... And this... The far-right AND the far-left have one important thing in common. An inability to understand that dogmatic adherence to ideology will very likely get us all killed.
 
2012-09-13 08:59:51 AM
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2012-09-13 09:00:11 AM

alywa: Sgt Stubby: Why is everyone forced to say and write 'prophet mohammad' when discussing islam but not Lord Jesus when referencing Christianity? Oh, I forgot. Islam might get angry... and people could die.

You all (Christian, Jewish, Muslim) are farking idiots, blindly following the shiat your parents shoved down your throats. Grow the fark up already. This applies x2 to the Muslims, as they seem to be the ones blowing up more shiat this century. Leave the rest of us alone. We are so farking sick of you all.


Or else what?
You'll send them a strongly worded letter?
You'll send drones to blow them up?
What?
 
2012-09-13 09:01:17 AM

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2012-09-13 09:01:32 AM

Mugato: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Mugato: Lt. Cheese Weasel: It's the BIG SHIAT SAMMICH. And Obamas lack of any balls means we all get a bite. American citizens are being murdered. American soil is being over run. And we have Mickey Mouse in the White House. Libya, Cairo, now Yemen, this is just the beginning. Open Wide.

You sound tired.

I'm tired of clueless, gutless morans like you who only want to blame America and our allies first.

Yeah, unlike you, who has the brass balls to sit at a computer and tell others to do... what exactly in response to this? Invade more random ME countries? Well guess what genius, we tried that and under Bush we had a lot more embassies attacked than we do now, with more deaths. People like you are the reason the term "chicken hawk" was invented.


Nobody daid anything about invading. How about just shooting back? Or would that offend somebody? We wouldn't want that, would we? It's people like you the term 'pillow biter' was invented. What's your pressure point Mugato? How many have to die before you think the US is justified in defending it's citizens and embassies? I'm curious.
 
2012-09-13 09:01:39 AM

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Shhhh, you are proving the case that free speech only applies to those who agree with left democrats. Also, announcing that you are ignoring someone is just like an attention whore doing cartwheels across the page and offering BIE

 
2012-09-13 09:01:51 AM

vegasj: Cheviot: We have armed Marines on embassy grounds, right? They have automatic rifles available, right?

Why are the protesters who've crossed onto embassy grounds even alive?

These questions need to be asked. But our media won't do it.

I do believe they were taken out beforehand (and yes, these were planned attacks)... or they were told to stand down, do nothing.

But our Dem media is too busy blasting Romney for speaking out instead of asking these questions.


I read this morning there were no marines stationed in bengazi.
 
2012-09-13 09:02:47 AM

Joe Blowme: I read this morning there were no marines stationed in bengazi.


Well, surely there were local police or military. They don't have these place totally unguarded... unless I'm wrong.

 
2012-09-13 09:03:04 AM

jakomo002: Waxing_Chewbacca: No. It wasn't. It was about throwing out dictators.

Except, and this is important, before the dictators were overthrown by their people, the USA fully supported those same dictators for decades.

Take Hosni Mubarak in Egypt. For 40 years he was America's best friend, recipient of billions odf dollars in military aid. Egypt wasn't at war with anyone, so the military hardware was trained on the POPULACE, to keep the dictator in control.

Do you honestly for one second believe that Egyptians are running around saying "Whoo-hoo all is forgiven America!" They're distrustful and angry. Which, based on US actions in the Middle East, they sure as shiat should be.


So we shouldn't correct our mistake? Also, it seems, they just end up replacing one dictator with another, so not sure what the net gain is there. (In fairness, at least they got to choose!)
 
2012-09-13 09:03:31 AM
These protesters are protesting because they are offended that Americans are against Gay Marriage. Why are Republicans so racist against them?
 
2012-09-13 09:03:51 AM

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Hah! This... reposted so this dumba$s can read it twice.
 
2012-09-13 09:04:44 AM

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You're free to blather whatever derp you like. I'm free to ignore it in favor of intelligent discussion. You're just proving the case that conservatives think criticism is equivalent to censorship.
 
2012-09-13 09:04:56 AM

vegasj: Joe Blowme: I read this morning there were no marines stationed in bengazi.

Well, surely there were local police or military. They don't have these place totally unguarded... unless I'm wrong.


remember, members of the same death cult that killed our people were incharge of security and CBS says they actively helped the attackers.
 
2012-09-13 09:05:51 AM

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Yes. Supporting Osama bin Laden during the Soviet-Afghan war was certainly nuanced and complicated. And installing the Shah of Iran. And supporting Saddam Hussein (who can forget Rumsfeld shaking his hand?). And Invading Irak. And Gitmo. And drone strikes. And protecting Saudi Arabia. And supporting Israel despite regional outrage over Israeli behavior and running effectively concentration camps in Palestine. And giving Israel nuclear weapons.
Yes, all very nuanced and subtle and complex.

Thank god, Jebus, and Ally we have Ivy Leagers to keep it all straight and on track for us.
 
2012-09-13 09:06:01 AM
beta_plus

A few racists and someone exercising their constitutional right to carry a firearem at a peaceful tea party protest - OMG THE CHRISTIAN FUNDIES ARE ALL RACIST HOMOPHOBIC NAZIS WHO ARE GOING TO KILL US AND TAKE OUR FREEDOMS TO MAKE OTHERS PAY FOR OUR ABORTIONS!

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MSNBC Turns Black Man With Gun At Obama Rally Into White Man
An African American man showed up at President Obama's health care rally in Arizona (Aug. 17) carrying an AR 15 assault rifle and a pistol and MSNBC reporters edited footage and spun the story in order to make its viewers believe that the armed man was white as opposed to being black.
 
2012-09-13 09:06:42 AM
This just shows the complete ignorance of the muslim world.

I just watched the movie.. if this is enough to make them go batshiat crazy and riot in the streets.. they REALLY are too stupid and violent to be left to themselves.

We need to nuke it from orbit just to be sure.
 
2012-09-13 09:07:07 AM

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Awww, now you have to defend free speech of people who don't vote for you. Those big boy pants for making tough ethical decisions sure are uncomfortable, aren't they? Especially when the peanut gallery is suddenly not cheering for you anymore.
 
2012-09-13 09:07:17 AM
Joe Blowme:
Of what? free speech?



Free speech is wrong? Then I don't want to be right.

He slammed a religion, and he knew doing it was going to cause violent riots because that's what they do. If that's not a wrong thing to do, then I don't wanna live on this planet anymore.

jso2897:
Fake "Liberal" troll detected.


Nope. But good try.

LL316:
With what crime? Would any court convict him of inciting a riot for making a movie? I certainly wouldn't if I was on that jury.

I'm not at all saying he's not a douchebag. He certainly is. I'm just saying 99.87% of the blame needs to go to the people going batshiat over an internet movie. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but that's not acceptable behavior.


So you're saying that if a man does something with the intent of making a group of people pissed off, and they get pissed off and in the fervor kill a few people, you're saying that the man who intentionally pissed people off wasn't at least indirectly the cause of the deaths? It's not like these people were running around killing people for no reason (and before somebody points out suicide bombers, those guys believe we're invading them and they believe that killing us will make us go away).
Securitywyrm: A group of people on FARK are going to violently object to your act of placing the blame on the movie maker and not the people who used it as an excuse to go looting. By your own logic, you are wrong for acting in a way that will cause a group of people to respond like this.

I wasn't saying that it was all his fault. I'm saying that if you know that doing something makes people act violently, then you should be blamed too, and equally. I don't condone these farking riots either, because there's a small pile of dead people that didn't have to be dead, but you can't blame the rioters solely for losing their shiat. They had a reason for rioting, even if they shouldn't have reacted by a riot.
 
2012-09-13 09:07:20 AM

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Yes. Supporting Osama bin Laden during the Soviet-Afghan war was certainly nuanced and complicated. And installing the Shah of Iran. And supporting Saddam Hussein (who can forget Rumsfeld shaking his hand?). And Invading Irak. And Gitmo. And drone strikes. And protecting Saudi Arabia. And supporting Israel despite regional outrage over Israeli behavior and running effectively concentration camps in Palestine. And giving Israel nuclear weapons.
Yes, all very nuanced and subtle and complex.

Thank god, Jebus, and Ally we have Ivy Leagers to keep it all straight and on track for us.


Why in the world would we need to give a bunch of Jewish people nuclear weapons when they were the ones who farking built them?
 
2012-09-13 09:07:24 AM

Deacon Blue: quantum_jellyroll: Maybe it's time for a round of "Cowboys & Muslims".

Or maybe, "Regan and Russians". Just substitute 'Muslims' for 'Russians'. I really, really hope Obama steps up and kicks some ass.


I'm sure he will. He'll show those embassy types what they get for not apologizing to the muzzies for getting steamrolled..
 
2012-09-13 09:07:26 AM

Baryogenesis: I'm free to ignore it in favor of intelligent discussion.


Dude, this is FARK, not the Kennedy School of Government.
 
2012-09-13 09:07:43 AM
Joe Blowme: Lesser of 2 evils, strongman of islamic pshychos... i have to go with the strongman who will keep savages in check. Besides, they drew first blood in 1790's, Barbary Pirates and all that so can we just point to that as justification to kill them? Or can we go back further and blame the taking of Vienna? Or Spain? Ect...,

Dude, I'm sorry. I didn't even realize I was arguing with crazy person. Sorry, and seek help for your obvious mental illness.

Waxing_Chewbacca: I understand and agree. But those who turn to terrorism must blown off the face off the planet. Drones are a surgical method of doing what must be done. So grow the fark and understand there are no absolutes in foreign policy. I'm also done with you until you can post my entire statement and not cut only what you wish to use to make your point. Oh... And this... The far-right AND the far-left have one important thing in common. An inability to understand that dogmatic adherence to ideology will very likely get us all killed.

It's very very well -documented that when you go hogwild with drones, massacring innocents accidentally to get to your "primary suspect", the survivors HATE you and will try to enact revenge. Or their neighbours will. Or their family. Or their in-laws.

Drones might kill a few "suspected militants", but they create far more "terrorists". Put yourself in their shoes.

"well, it looks like a US drone hit the wedding party, killed the guy they were looking for and also accidentally bruned my 4 children to death. Let's get to work on making some new kids, wifey."

No, they arm and find ways to enact revenge, which is VERY big in those areas.
 
2012-09-13 09:08:38 AM

fusillade762: Why does the Islamic world seem to susceptible to trolling? Can we turn that to our advantage?


I'm thinking blasphemous skywriters. Chem trails of outrage, if you will. Scribble insults to Mohammed all over their skies, let 'em kill each other rioting.
 
2012-09-13 09:09:43 AM

master_dman: This just shows the complete ignorance of the muslim world.

I just watched the movie.. if this is enough to make them go batshiat crazy and riot in the streets.. they REALLY are too stupid and violent to be left to themselves.

We need to nuke it from orbit just to be sure.


You make a very valid point here.
They are some crazy, infantile people.
 
2012-09-13 09:10:03 AM
From now on, all stories related to this alleged film should use the Irony tag.

Irony because this whole thing arises from AN UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMOUR. We don't know if the film even exists at all. Yet all this anger and violence abounds due to RUMOURS SPREAD BY THE INTERNET. Sound at all familiar to anyone?

Anyone know any Americans like that? Americans who accept as fact, or at least plausibly likely, various rumours they hear online about various things or people they're predisposed to believe such things about -- to want to believe such things about, facts and verification be damned? And then act on those beliefs in their daily lives and politics?

This goes beyond the 'chickens come home to roost' argument (which is still valid for other reasons here); this bespeaks an entire species of knee-jerking morans who probably are not collectively prepared to meet the real future challenges of this world, who can't face the hard and unpleasant truths about themselves -- and thus fulfil the vital first step of real personal change and betterment, and who simply refuse to even contemplate the ego-busting possibility of being wrong about anything.

Think about this. This ENTIRE thing is built on a mountainous landfill of practically nothing, and reacting like tiny screaming babies to that practically nothing. Not just them -- us, too: a huge amount of the anti-Muslim fever in this country is also based on prejudice, rumour, and outright lies. Not every last shred, of course, but mostly. And the fact that so many Americans take their received wisdom about all this from doubtful sources -- and then actually make important decisions based on that -- is no better than what's happening over there.

So don't y'all get too smug or judgemental. We haven't stormed any embassies lately, that's true. But when it comes to evaluating facts and deciding how to respond based on what we 'know,' we're not batting much better than anyone else.
 
2012-09-13 09:10:08 AM

dittybopper: Hobodeluxe: dittybopper: Kind of like how Reagan was an addled, doddering old simpleton when it was politically advantageous to the Democrats

like when he was asleep all during the Iran-Contra thing? That was really advantageous for the Democrats huh?

You didn't read the next sentence, or follow that link, did you?


I don't think anyone believes Reagan was a conniving, evil genius. However, his vice-president, former head of the CIA, Bush the Elder ... yeah. I suspect Bush the Elder is largely responsible for tarnishing the Reagan legacy while merrily allowing an ill man to take the blame.
 
2012-09-13 09:10:33 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Nobody daid anything about invading. How about just shooting back? Or would that offend somebody? We wouldn't want that, would we? It's people like you the term 'pillow biter' was invented. What's your pressure point Mugato? How many have to die before you think the US is justified in defending it's citizens and embassies? I'm curious.


Um, have someone read the article to you. The protesters were driven away. Are you pissed that only one protester was shot and killed? I'm not sure what you're pissed at Obama for regarding this.
 
2012-09-13 09:10:40 AM

PunGent: fusillade762: Why does the Islamic world seem to susceptible to trolling? Can we turn that to our advantage?

I'm thinking blasphemous skywriters. Chem trails of outrage, if you will. Scribble insults to Mohammed all over their skies, let 'em kill each other rioting.


Skywriting done with aerosolized bacon, perhaps.
 
2012-09-13 09:11:02 AM
Muslims are no different than any other religion.
No, really.
 
2012-09-13 09:11:22 AM

Waxing_Chewbacca: bakarocket: Waxing_Chewbacca: Don't want drones in your country? Join the world community and drag your sorry ass out of t ...

The fact that the strongest countries in the world can say inane shiat like that with impunity is a part of the problem.

Few knowledgable people deny that there are idiots everywhere. Why do you keep denying that your leaders aren't idiots, too? You understand that the fact that all of you are dirt-eating, cousin-farking hicks is exactly the problem?

You truncated my statement to fit your narrative. I'm supporting the President and I was responding to a statement that Yeman has reason to riot due to the drone strikes. They do not. We have interests to protect and they are a nation willing to be a Disney Resort for our most dreaded enemies. Your reply cut my statement down to a piece of one sentence. Don't be so dishonest in order to make your point.


I was replying to the entire piece, and quoting for brevity. Your entire point was repugnant. I don't need to rebut every sentence to illuminate the fact that people like you - and those attacking the embassies - are exactly the same, and are exactly the problem.
 
2012-09-13 09:11:58 AM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: We don't know if the film even exists at all.


The trailer on YouTube exists.
That's the trouble.
 
2012-09-13 09:12:01 AM

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2012-09-13 09:12:14 AM

Sgt Stubby: If he ever existed, that is. The evidence points to 'prophet' mohammad actually being a composite character


I'll go with the overwhelming consensus of historians that Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad was a real individual who rallied nomadic tribesmen to become caravan raiders. The many merchant raids and battles he led his armies into are documented in non-religious historical writings, starting with The Battle of Badr fought on Saturday, 13 March 624 AD. The whole Islam as a religion thing came about 200 years after his death.

In fact, I have never even seen even one source imply he wasn't a real person. But if you have a citation otherwise I will read it.
 
2012-09-13 09:13:20 AM

BgJonson79: So we shouldn't correct our mistake? Also, it seems, they just end up replacing one dictator with another, so not sure what the net gain is there. (In fairness, at least they got to choose!)


No, no you absolutely SHOULD support the removal of the dictators. What I'm saying is that since the US supported those same dictators for decades, the people who suffered under that rule aren't automatically going to be pro-U.S. They're apt to be a little, um, butthurt over the whole thing. They'll need time.
 
2012-09-13 09:13:30 AM

Insatiable Jesus: According to The Wall Street Journal, Bacile said he raised $5 million from about 100 Jewish donors to make the two-hour movie in California last year.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/anti-islam-film/index.html


That has to be bullshiat. There is no way anyone spent 5 million dollars on that. It looks like someone's very bad high school film studies project.
 
2012-09-13 09:13:41 AM

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Isn't it sorta a dangerous and slippery-slope thought to think that you need to "monitor" people you disagree with?
 
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These threads are great for identifying the mouth breathers. Foreign policy is more nuanced and complicated than shoot first ask questions later and Muslim=bad.

Yes. Supporting Osama bin Laden during the Soviet-Afghan war was certainly nuanced and complicated. And installing the Shah of Iran. And supporting Saddam Hussein (who can forget Rumsfeld shaking his hand?). And Invading Irak. And Gitmo. And drone strikes. And protecting Saudi Arabia. And supporting Israel despite regional outrage over Israeli behavior and running effectively concentration camps in Palestine. And giving Israel nuclear weapons.
Yes, all very nuanced and subtle and complex.

Thank god, Jebus, and Ally we have Ivy Leagers to keep it all straight and on track for us.


And all those fark ups contribute to the current state of affairs in the Middle East and help explain the delicate and complicated situation we find ourselves in. Did you think any of those examples now make foreign policy simple?

HotIgneous Intruder: Baryogenesis: I'm free to ignore it in favor of intelligent discussion.

Dude, this is FARK, not the Kennedy School of Government.


Just because YOU have never been involved in intelligent discussion doesn't mean no one else has been.
 
2012-09-13 09:14:15 AM

jakomo002: Joe Blowme: Lesser of 2 evils, strongman of islamic pshychos... i have to go with the strongman who will keep savages in check. Besides, they drew first blood in 1790's, Barbary Pirates and all that so can we just point to that as justification to kill them? Or can we go back further and blame the taking of Vienna? Or Spain? Ect...,

Dude, I'm sorry. I didn't even realize I was arguing with crazy person. Sorry, and seek help for your obvious mental illness.

Waxing_Chewbacca: I understand and agree. But those who turn to terrorism must blown off the face off the planet. Drones are a surgical method of doing what must be done. So grow the fark and understand there are no absolutes in foreign policy. I'm also done with you until you can post my entire statement and not cut only what you wish to use to make your point. Oh... And this... The far-right AND the far-left have one important thing in common. An inability to understand that dogmatic adherence to ideology will very likely get us all killed.

It's very very well -documented that when you go hogwild with drones, massacring innocents accidentally to get to your "primary suspect", the survivors HATE you and will try to enact revenge. Or their neighbours will. Or their family. Or their in-laws.

Drones might kill a few "suspected militants", but they create far more "terrorists". Put yourself in their shoes.

"well, it looks like a US drone hit the wedding party, killed the guy they were looking for and also accidentally bruned my 4 children to death. Let's get to work on making some new kids, wifey."

No, they arm and find ways to enact revenge, which is VERY big in those areas.


Boots on the ground would have been Presidents Bush 2"s position. Which is and was insane. This seems to make more sense. Or you would allow these terrorist who are using yeman as a base to live in peace and kill at will? Smart foreign policy you got there. If the peaceful people of Yeman want peace they can always decide not to tolerate the cold blooded killers who live amongst them. You have no ideas. You have coca-cola "I'd like to teach the world to sing" foreign policy.
 
2012-09-13 09:14:42 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Why the hell you accept a diplomatic posting in Yemen?!

Good luck guys.


My (admittedly limited) understanding of the State Department is, you do your time in various less-desirable assignments, and work your way up to the nice spots. Unless you're a specialist in one area/region/language...then, that's probably where you'll spend your career.

You can't speak French, it doesn't make a lot of sense to post you to Quebec...
 
2012-09-13 09:15:17 AM

duckfarkit: opiumpoopy: duckfarkit: Sweet baby Jesus. The reverb from the Arab Spring. I so want Obama to handle this well; otherwise this is ammo for the rtards & a recipe for disaster

No it's not, dumbass. Yemen hasn't had a spring - the whole country is bonkers. Can't imagine the US left it unguarded.

Two out of three ain't bad?

Paradise by the dashboard light?


You took the words right out of my mouth.
 
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