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2012-09-13 07:22:04 AM
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2012-09-13 07:22:08 AM

Confabulat: jso2897: Based on track record, if i were a member of AlQaeda, I would rather see a Republican in the White House than Obama. But it may have nothing to do with our elections

I find it hard to believe that Al Qaeda gives much of a rat's ass whether a Democrat or Republican is sitting in that office. They hate us on a pretty basic level, and I doubt that means anything more than window dressing to them.


Well, their fortunes have differed under different Presidents. Reagan and Bush Sr. helped create them in the first place, by supporting the Muhadjadin. Slcik Willie was vaguely hostile towards them, but did little. Under Bush Jr., they throve, and grew to many times their former size. Under Obama, they have been decimated - they are at a fraction of their Bush-era strength. If I were them, I would want the guy with a foreign policy team made up of Bush leftovers a lot more than Obama in the WH.
Why DID they decide to do this now? Because the film is obviously an excuse, not a reason.
 
2012-09-13 07:22:30 AM

duckfarkit: Sweet baby Jesus. The reverb from the Arab Spring. I so want Obama to handle this well; otherwise this is ammo for the rtards & a recipe for disaster


Whatever he does they will claim he should have done the opposite, so it's really a no win situation trying to come off looking good in their eyes.
 
2012-09-13 07:23:57 AM

Agarista: I think the dubbing and promotion of the film are pretty much in line with a premeditated "fire" in a crowded cinema.


It's not really analogous at all but it's just as bad.
In this case, there is no false claim being made as in the shouting fire analogy, but showing this film trailer is certain to inflame criminal behavior.

Maybe youTube should, uh, take it down. On account of the murders and stormed embassies and stuff.
If anyone typed just a few lines from that video here on fark, they'd get banned for hate speech instantly.
 
2012-09-13 07:24:23 AM

m2313: jso2897: The question is - why now?

Really? This started on 9/11.
In Cairo, the original protest (not the one by street kids now) was a bunch of Salafists chanting "We are Osama". And Ayman al Zawahari's (fuzzy on this, but I believe he was at some point akin to Osama's spiritual mentor) brother claimed to have had a role in organizing that protest.


So you think they timed it this way out of sentimentality?
OK.
Sure.
 
2012-09-13 07:24:38 AM

m2313: And Ayman al Zawahari's


*He's also the current leader of Al Qaeda and was one of the "number 2" guys before Osama kicked the bucket.
 
2012-09-13 07:26:05 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: orbister: Cpl.D: I thought they equipped all US embassies with that active denial system. It really would've been helpful, here.

Yes, because angry peasants are never a match for high tech weapons systems, as the three month US actions in Afghanistan and Iraq showed.

Two Marines with rifles could take care of that climbing-the-gate problem.
No will to fight? Poor leadership? What's the problem here?


Probably safer and less inflammatory to just hide in the panic room and let them riot and then go home after a few hours of flag and tire burning. Sweet up the glass, hire a cleaning crew, sweet up the trash and GBTW.

Havent you read any history? You start shooting people and things get really out of hand really quick. I would imagine the Marines guarding the compound know what theyre doing, and if theyre not shooting biatches then no biatches gonna be shot.

I would imagine the Libyan govt is rather embarrassed and saying all sorts of apologies to Washington and will round up some guys to torture to death for us as compensation for the dead diplomat and EVE Online/Something Awful admin. The rest of the riots will probably be allowed to run their course.
 
2012-09-13 07:26:44 AM

orbister: Cpl.D: I thought they equipped all US embassies with that active denial system. It really would've been helpful, here.

Yes, because angry peasants are never a match for high tech weapons systems, as the three month US actions in Afghanistan and Iraq showed.


Yeah but people have been keeping other people out of buildings for 6000 years, if you've got guys with rifles and less-than-lethal weapons all you really need is a wall with some broken glass on top. I would have thought that the designers of American Embassies overseas had mastered that advanced technology.
 
2012-09-13 07:27:07 AM
i.imgur.comi1.cpcache.com

Maybe a little less gloating about how you killed a hero of the nutjob fundies over there... because there is no way they could be upset about that at all.
 
2012-09-13 07:27:12 AM

m2313: m2313: And Ayman al Zawahari's

*He's also the current leader of Al Qaeda and was one of the "number 2" guys before Osama kicked the bucket.


Was, he has a red line through his name on Obama's terrorist hit list after making it through Bush's tenure unscathed.
 
2012-09-13 07:27:24 AM
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Infidel Defilers. They shall all drown in lakes of blood. Now they will know why they are afraid of the dark. Now they learn why they fear the night.
 
2012-09-13 07:28:01 AM

somedude210: SuperT: ya know, I say just one of these shiat bird dirt holes we should just pick to treat like the romans would. Just say "I'm tired of putting up with your retarded horse shiat, you either come on board, be americans and be cool or we go full 13 legion on your ass". No occupation, just kill the opposition and get on with your day. Remind them that we treat these little pissant extremist with kid gloves because we don't want to hurt the innocent people they hide amoung.

then we have a whole other issue. The great thing going for the Romans was that they were the only empire in the known world. We have several right now, so if we did something like that, the world would go apeshiat and we'd be held accountable


Excluding the Parthian / Sassanid empire, right?
 
2012-09-13 07:28:11 AM

doglover: You know what looks worse in the media than your embassy gettin' a little B&E? Unleashing automatic weapons on unarmed civilians.


It's hardly a 'little B&E' when you have an ambassador getting killed. The automatic weapons should be broken out and USED when they get onto the compound.

I should note that even fired up Muslims should think twice about breaking in when there's a machine gun nest pointed at them should they get through the gate/over the wall.

Guns don't work as well if you let your opponent within HtH range, and we've still been killing each other for a far longer time with HtH than we have with guns.

/Most Murders aren't in the world aren't done with guns.
 
2012-09-13 07:28:12 AM

Agarista: Mrbogey: Agarista: I think the dubbing and promotion of the film are pretty much in line with a premeditated "fire" in a crowded cinema.

I see this sentiment a lot lately. I guess we may as well bury the first amendment. Now expressing controversial ideas is considered incitement to panic.

What next? People who are attacked for expressing their opinion about politics are asking for it?

The intention to cause harm and to incite violence is not protected speech.


you've harmed me with your abuse of language and misunderstanding of basic free speech rights. How dare you try and incite me!
 
2012-09-13 07:28:16 AM

Father_Jack: HotIgneous Intruder: orbister: Cpl.D: I thought they equipped all US embassies with that active denial system. It really would've been helpful, here.

Yes, because angry peasants are never a match for high tech weapons systems, as the three month US actions in Afghanistan and Iraq showed.

Two Marines with rifles could take care of that climbing-the-gate problem.
No will to fight? Poor leadership? What's the problem here?

Probably safer and less inflammatory to just hide in the panic room and let them riot and then go home after a few hours of flag and tire burning. Sweet up the glass, hire a cleaning crew, sweet up the trash and GBTW.

Havent you read any history? You start shooting people and things get really out of hand really quick. I would imagine the Marines guarding the compound know what theyre doing, and if theyre not shooting biatches then no biatches gonna be shot.

I would imagine the Libyan govt is rather embarrassed and saying all sorts of apologies to Washington and will round up some guys to torture to death for us as compensation for the dead diplomat and EVE Online/Something Awful admin. The rest of the riots will probably be allowed to run their course.


When you are doing business inside other people's countries, there are some limitations on what you can do.
 
2012-09-13 07:28:35 AM
You know what? F*CK IT! I'm not going to get worked up about a bunch of butthurt donkey-molesters in some craphole Islamist country anymore. Haters gonna hate. Period. Nothing we do short of blowing them up will effect them.

Just

blow

them

up!
 
2012-09-13 07:28:47 AM

doglover: You can probably dig up some crazy people to take experimental drugs at high doses to asses safety. I don't think you can find mice who can consent to that.


I wasn't aware crazy people could legally consent to things.
 
2012-09-13 07:29:05 AM

jso2897: So you think they timed it this way out of sentimentality?
OK.
Sure.


They were chanting "We are Osama" on 9/11. And they're religious fundamentalists, they're farking hyper-sentimental/emotional about shiat especially when it comes to Mohammed.
Why do nationalists/fascists take action/attempt to co-opt days of patriotism, why does the left take huge actions on May Day, etc. etc.
I don't see what's so out of character about it.
 
2012-09-13 07:29:53 AM

Snowflake Tubbybottom: [i.imgur.com image 450x286][i1.cpcache.com image 250x250]

Maybe a little less gloating about how you killed a hero of the nutjob fundies over there... because there is no way they could be upset about that at all.


You're right, all that gloating has finally convinced al qaeda that they need to act.
 
2012-09-13 07:29:57 AM

manimal2878: duckfarkit: Sweet baby Jesus. The reverb from the Arab Spring. I so want Obama to handle this well; otherwise this is ammo for the rtards & a recipe for disaster

Whatever he does they will claim he should have done the opposite, so it's really a no win situation trying to come off looking good in their eyes.


All you have to do is look through this thread to see that.
 
2012-09-13 07:31:07 AM
So, any of you big talking trolls going to give the exact policy that Obama "created" that directly caused everybody to throw down their "Tickle Me Goat Carcass" and start fighting or are you guys waiting for Rush and Palin tell you what to say?
 
2012-09-13 07:31:45 AM

m2313: jso2897: So you think they timed it this way out of sentimentality?
OK.
Sure.

They were chanting "We are Osama" on 9/11. And they're religious fundamentalists, they're farking hyper-sentimental/emotional about shiat especially when it comes to Mohammed.
Why do nationalists/fascists take action/attempt to co-opt days of patriotism, why does the left take huge actions on May Day, etc. etc.
I don't see what's so out of character about it.


So you don't think this reflects any desire on their part to influence real world events? It's all just symbolism and sentiment?
I am not very certain of that.
 
2012-09-13 07:31:57 AM

shotglasss: [waznmentobe.com image 600x506]


No one takes you seriously shotglass.

Why the shotglass btw, because you have a tiny amount of anything of value inside?

Well I dont really expect an answer from you, seeing as how tired you sound.
 
2012-09-13 07:32:33 AM

Tatterdemalian: rev. dave: Why don't we shoot people who invade our embassies?
It is like someone invading your home, you should be able to shoot them before they hurt someone.

Because it makes some FARKers cry and write the word *SLAP* in big letters.

/and that's worse than being beaten to death by Libyans who are "carrying you to the hospital"
//oh wait, no it isn't... except in the magical world of FARK liberals


King Derp from Derpinstan, I salute you

/visiting, royalty, kids!
 
2012-09-13 07:33:04 AM
Ah Yemen, desperately poor, staggering unemployment, little in the way of anything to build upon, an old tribal system that makes a mess of some things, Saudi Arabia next door doing not much to help. That something is happening in Yemen is not a surprise, the surprise is that something doesn't happen more often.
 
2012-09-13 07:33:59 AM

Tamater: Romney's statement condemning Obama's response to this attack due any minute now.


Obama's apology from "all Americans" for being, well... American due any day now...

 
2012-09-13 07:34:02 AM

Raharu: shotglasss: [waznmentobe.com image 600x506]

No one takes you seriously shotglass.

Why thethe name shotglass btw, because you have a tiny amount of anything of value inside?

Well I dont really expect an answer from you, seeing as how tired you sound.


FTFMS
 
2012-09-13 07:34:12 AM
You know, if President Bush hadn't ordered the bombing of Libya in 2011 and all of those drone strikes in Yemen, we wouldn't be in this mess. Bleeping Republicans - we're always having to clean up their messes.
 
2012-09-13 07:34:44 AM

Insatiable Jesus: First line of TFA:

Protesters angry over an obscure film critical of Islam's Prophet Muhammad stormed the U.S. Embassy in Sanaa, Yemen, on Thursday, as unrest that led to the deaths of a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans in Libya spread to other countries in the region.

Bullshiat. Bullshiat. Bullshiat.

The producer of this film turns out to not exist. The screening that so upset the Muslim world never happened. News organizations have yet to find any Muslim on the street who has seen it, most of those interviewed hadn't even heard of it.

This stinks to high heaven.

We are being used, yet again.


The truth does not matter anymore; this is mass hysteria.
 
2012-09-13 07:34:54 AM

Wodan11: We should pull out all embassies in these nations, cut off all aid, cease all charity organizations erfforts' there.


This, this & THIS.
 
2012-09-13 07:35:55 AM

vegasj: Tamater: Romney's statement condemning Obama's response to this attack due any minute now.

Obama's apology from "all Americans" for being, well... American due any day now...


Honestly, we should apologize to the world for people like you. What's nice is that we don't have to, because they're thankful we're here to contain you.
 
2012-09-13 07:36:21 AM
I found out a few hours ago that my brother-in-law (who was on his way to going home to Virginia after spending almost a year at sea) is in one of those destroyers that is headed to Libya.

Of course my wife is flipping out over the news.
 
2012-09-13 07:36:48 AM

vegasj: Wodan11: We should pull out all embassies in these nations, cut off all aid, cease all charity organizations erfforts' there.

This, this & THIS.


We should remove all ability to effect the situation.

This is GOP strategery at its finest.
 
2012-09-13 07:36:59 AM

Father_Jack: HotIgneous Intruder: orbister: Cpl.D: I thought they equipped all US embassies with that active denial system. It really would've been helpful, here.

Yes, because angry peasants are never a match for high tech weapons systems, as the three month US actions in Afghanistan and Iraq showed.

Two Marines with rifles could take care of that climbing-the-gate problem.
No will to fight? Poor leadership? What's the problem here?

Probably safer and less inflammatory to just hide in the panic room and let them riot and then go home after a few hours of flag and tire burning. Sweet up the glass, hire a cleaning crew, sweet up the trash and GBTW.

Havent you read any history? You start shooting people and things get really out of hand really quick. I would imagine the Marines guarding the compound know what theyre doing, and if theyre not shooting biatches then no biatches gonna be shot.

I would imagine the Libyan govt is rather embarrassed and saying all sorts of apologies to Washington and will round up some guys to torture to death for us as compensation for the dead diplomat and EVE Online/Something Awful admin. The rest of the riots will probably be allowed to run their course.


Except that at the Libyan embassy, the Libyan guards themselves were shooting back. Their hands weren't bound by some absurd policy against self defense.

If you make it a habit of being passive, people are going to think that looting the place whenever your jimmies are ruffled is the norm. They'll be in that building every month and this risks a greater diplomatic riff.
What's worse is even the locals will stop helping when they realize you aren't covering your own bases.

This is an embassy, not a playground. Put some razor wire round that biatch, electrify the fences, arm the guards and use every technological trick to your advantage.
Diplomacy can't happen if some idiot is taking a dump in your conference room whenever he finds something to be outraged about.
 
2012-09-13 07:37:23 AM

WhiskeyBender: reated" that directly caused everybody to throw down their "Tickle Me Goat Carcass" and start fighting or are you guys waiting for Rush and Palin tell you what to say?


.
You are the only one to say that Obama created this, so you should start.
 
2012-09-13 07:37:53 AM

TV's Vinnie: You know what? F*CK IT! I'm not going to get worked up about a bunch of butthurt donkey-molesters in some craphole Islamist country anymore. Haters gonna hate. Period. Nothing we do short of blowing them up will effect them.

Just

blow

them

up!




An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. If we want the moral high ground, we must act like it.
 
2012-09-13 07:38:46 AM

Wodan11: We should pull out all embassies in these nations, cut off all aid, cease all charity organizations erfforts' there.


Great idea let's just make innocent people suffer, that couldn't possibly come back to kick us in the ass.
 
2012-09-13 07:39:05 AM

david_gaithersburg: Heading to Dubai for a week, curious to find out if Fark is banned there.


Nobody cares.

Wellbye.jpg
 
2012-09-13 07:39:33 AM

david_gaithersburg: WhiskeyBender: reated" that directly caused everybody to throw down their "Tickle Me Goat Carcass" and start fighting or are you guys waiting for Rush and Palin tell you what to say?

.
You are the only one to say that Obama created this, so you should start.


well him and John McCain.
 
2012-09-13 07:39:54 AM

jso2897: So you don't think this reflects any desire on their part to influence real world events? It's all just symbolism and sentiment?


Well the mobs aren't accomplishing shiat, the only real thing they've done is the dead in Libya. We are talking about the type of people who riot and kill over book burnings on the other half of the world, so yes, sentiment and symbolism goes a long way.
But if there's anything tactical to it 1) It strains US relations with already contentious/newly formed Middle Eastern governments 2) It's a rallying cry for momentum/distraction why they're planning something else 3) It provokes the governments involved. If repression or even too heavy-handed self-defense is used and something goes wrong, you have new martyrs to rally around and an increase in the desire to fight/resist.
I don't think they care about the domestic politics/political parties of the US, they're just trying to cut us off from regional allies or provoke an overreaction so they can have more propaganda/support.
 
2012-09-13 07:40:24 AM

Sgt Stubby: nmemkha: While the "outrage" is most likely an excuse to vent anger at the US, the producers of the film were callously negligent. Free Speech is a right, but with every right comes a responsibility. They knew there would be violence at the release of the film and yet they released it anyway.


That's a great indictment against the insanity and evil of islam. It also sums up the left's apologetic/symbiotic relationship with the global jihad quite succinctly.

Good job!


Man, i don't know. Do you really think it's about this video? At first, I kind of thought it was, but this is looking more and more concerted and coordinated with each passing day. Libya and yemen, in particular, have AlQaeda's fingerprints all over them. The video is an embarrassment to any adult, but I'm starting to doubt that it is really the cause of all this.
 
2012-09-13 07:40:37 AM
Obama is a peace guy. Why are they still mad? He is on their side.

Why aren't there heavily armed marines stationed at our embassies? Anyone gets on the gates like that, you shoot them. Have air support standing by in case you need heavy fire support. Problem solved.

Need to take the kid gloves off and leave them off. Pussy McHopeChange is just like Carter.
 
2012-09-13 07:40:57 AM

beta_plus: You know, if President Bush hadn't ordered the bombing of Libya in 2011 and all of those drone strikes in Yemen, we wouldn't be in this mess. Bleeping Republicans - we're always having to clean up their messes.


Wait... Bush is a former Prime Minister of Denmark?
Who knew?
 
2012-09-13 07:41:19 AM

m2313: . We are talking about the type of people who riot and kill over book burnings on the other half of the world


In the case of Libya that may just be a cover story, indeed in Egypt it may be too.
 
2012-09-13 07:42:20 AM
Have the seas stopped rising yet?

Obama 2012.
 
2012-09-13 07:42:43 AM
i232.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-13 07:43:42 AM

david_gaithersburg: WhiskeyBender: reated" that directly caused everybody to throw down their "Tickle Me Goat Carcass" and start fighting or are you guys waiting for Rush and Palin tell you what to say?

.
You are the only one to say that Obama created this, so you should start.


Evidently reading is not a strong suit for you. Try reading every other post. I DID NOT say he created this.
 
2012-09-13 07:46:12 AM

Nofun: TV's Vinnie: You know what? F*CK IT! I'm not going to get worked up about a bunch of butthurt donkey-molesters in some craphole Islamist country anymore. Haters gonna hate. Period. Nothing we do short of blowing them up will effect them.

Just

blow

them

up!



An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. If we want the moral high ground, we must act like it.


No, it leaves the whole world one-eyed and I would prefer that my enemy share my lack of depth perception. That being said, we have to be smart about how we do it. GW's approach to ridding the world of terrorists (and that of most of the right wing "just blow 'em all up" crowd) was somewhat akin to ridding the world of starfish by cutting off their arms and throwing them back into the water. I prefer the well planned surgical strike on the people responsible.
 
2012-09-13 07:46:24 AM

m2313: jso2897: So you don't think this reflects any desire on their part to influence real world events? It's all just symbolism and sentiment?

Well the mobs aren't accomplishing shiat, the only real thing they've done is the dead in Libya. We are talking about the type of people who riot and kill over book burnings on the other half of the world, so yes, sentiment and symbolism goes a long way.
But if there's anything tactical to it 1) It strains US relations with already contentious/newly formed Middle Eastern governments 2) It's a rallying cry for momentum/distraction why they're planning something else 3) It provokes the governments involved. If repression or even too heavy-handed self-defense is used and something goes wrong, you have new martyrs to rally around and an increase in the desire to fight/resist.
I don't think they care about the domestic politics/political parties of the US, they're just trying to cut us off from regional allies or provoke an overreaction so they can have more propaganda/support.


You said that before. let me be clear: I disagree with you. Under our last president, AlQaeda grew many times in size. under this one, they have been decimated. Historically, they do a lot better under Republican, Neoconservative presidents - and Mittens wants to bring the same team on board.
I realize that this is rejected because it does not fit with the "Hurr, durr, librul Obammy soft on terror"
narrative, but it fits with the actual facts.
In the real world, the fortunes of AlQaeda have suffered terribly under Obama - if i were them, I would be eager to get him out of the WH, and replaced with a gormless, nutless neocon like Romney.
 
2012-09-13 07:46:25 AM
A lot of right wingers became experts on embassy security yesterday it seems.

"I don't understand why Obama didn't order the space marines to descend from our moon base to decimate the entire nation of Libya! This was common practice in the Reagan era! I weep for this nation."
 
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