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2012-09-13 09:00:22 AM

Surgeons at the Hannover Medical University (MHH) performed a triple operation, using three operating rooms in parallel, with a lung being removed from each parent, and then implanted into Marius.


Breathtaking.


Seriously, pretty great stuff.
 
2012-09-13 09:02:41 AM
Hero tag thrown around to liberally, unless you are a monster this is what any parent would do, so obvious tag is more appropriate
 
2012-09-13 09:08:52 AM

steamingpile: Hero tag thrown around to liberally, unless you are a monster this is what any parent would do, so obvious tag is more appropriate


Wow. I came in here to say just that. Perfect.
 
2012-09-13 09:09:01 AM

steamingpile: Hero tag thrown around to liberally, unless you are a monster this is what any parent would do, so obvious tag is more appropriate


Agree. Can always make a new child too.
 
2012-09-13 09:10:22 AM

steamingpile: Hero tag thrown around to liberally, unless you are a monster this is what any parent would do, so obvious tag is more appropriate


I'd give that Hero tag to the medical team that pulled this off. Sure, it's their job, but they kicked all sorts of ass.
 
2012-09-13 09:13:17 AM

Savage Bacon: steamingpile: Hero tag thrown around to liberally, unless you are a monster this is what any parent would do, so obvious tag is more appropriate

I'd give that Hero tag to the medical team that pulled this off. Sure, it's their job, but they kicked all sorts of ass.


I get a strange vibe they wanted to do a three-person (two lung) transplant where a two-person (one lung) transplant would have sufficed. Cos it would be way cooler.
 
2012-09-13 09:13:42 AM

Savage Bacon: I'd give that Hero tag to the medical team that pulled this off. Sure, it's their job, but they kicked all sorts of ass.


How about the kid with Cystic Fibrosis that has been fighting for breath his whole life? That's heroic in it's own way.
 
2012-09-13 09:16:41 AM
Nice pair of lungs.
 
2012-09-13 09:18:49 AM
poor kid, now his parents are gonna lay a serious guilt trip on him the rest of his life.
"How can you talk to me like that, not only did I bring you into this world, I gave up a lung for you!"
"What do you mean you don't want to go to that college. If it weren't for me giving up a lung, you wouldn't even be alive!"
 
2012-09-13 09:26:46 AM
Ah, the sunk cost fallacy at it's finest.
 
2012-09-13 09:28:13 AM

QT_3.14159: Savage Bacon: I'd give that Hero tag to the medical team that pulled this off. Sure, it's their job, but they kicked all sorts of ass.

How about the kid with Cystic Fibrosis that has been fighting for breath his whole life? That's heroic in it's own way.


Him, too. So, 'Hero' tag for everyone, except the parents. They get 'Obvious'.

LiberalConservative: Savage Bacon: steamingpile: Hero tag thrown around to liberally, unless you are a monster this is what any parent would do, so obvious tag is more appropriate

I'd give that Hero tag to the medical team that pulled this off. Sure, it's their job, but they kicked all sorts of ass.

I get a strange vibe they wanted to do a three-person (two lung) transplant where a two-person (one lung) transplant would have sufficed. Cos it would be way cooler.


Perhaps they wanted to replace both lungs to increase the chances that his condition wouldn't overcome him again. I assume that, in this particular case, removing one lung entirely and replacing the other just didn't cut it medically.
 
2012-09-13 09:28:49 AM
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2012-09-13 09:30:45 AM

QT_3.14159: Savage Bacon: I'd give that Hero tag to the medical team that pulled this off. Sure, it's their job, but they kicked all sorts of ass.

How about the kid with Cystic Fibrosis that has been fighting for breath his whole life? That's heroic in it's own way.


This, that, these and those right there.
 
2012-09-13 09:32:11 AM
why don't they have McLung's

and McComputer's

i want EVERYTHING UNDER THE MCDONALDS GOLDEN ARCHES FRANCHISE

-ray krok)
 
2012-09-13 09:32:40 AM
Cigars all round!
/Maybe not.
 
2012-09-13 09:45:14 AM

devilEther: poor kid, now his parents are gonna lay a serious guilt trip on him the rest of his life.
"How can you talk to me like that, not only did I bring you into this world, I gave up a lung for you!"
"What do you mean you don't want to go to that college. If it weren't for me giving up a lung, you wouldn't even be alive!"


Not everybody has a Jewish mother.
 
2012-09-13 09:46:22 AM
I don't see how it can be not heroic to give up half your chest. YOU didn't do it.

As for this being their "duty", no, they didn't have to. They could have posted an ad begging for a donor and sat around anxiously waiting for a reply.

Also, do you ever wonder why nobody notices you until you screw something up? This attitude.
 
2012-09-13 09:47:42 AM
Misanthropy Moment!

At what point do we stop actively trying to propagate obvious defects in the human condition, to be passed down further and further in our bloodlines? It's even worse that we have to harvest functional, unblemished people to repair flaws in individuals who will muddy the genetic code of each one of their descendents.
 
2012-09-13 09:54:33 AM

Thraeryn: Misanthropy Moment!

At what point do we stop actively trying to propagate obvious defects in the human condition, to be passed down further and further in our bloodlines? It's even worse that we have to harvest functional, unblemished people to repair flaws in individuals who will muddy the genetic code of each one of their descendents.


Maybe they castrated the recipient afterward? The article's unclear.
 
2012-09-13 09:55:14 AM

Thraeryn: Misanthropy Moment!

At what point do we stop actively trying to propagate obvious defects in the human condition, to be passed down further and further in our bloodlines? It's even worse that we have to harvest functional, unblemished people to repair flaws in individuals who will muddy the genetic code of each one of their descendents.


Dude, that was the old Germany.

www.thebreman.org
 
2012-09-13 09:57:28 AM
Eugenics, we miss you.
 
2012-09-13 10:00:16 AM

robohobo: EugenicsHygenics, we miss you.


tinyfarmblog.com
 
2012-09-13 10:12:45 AM
It honestly bothers me that two people halved their opportunities and their quality of life to load an extra bullet into their bloodline's "cystic fibrosis" six-shooter.
 
2012-09-13 10:16:03 AM
While the story is heartwarming, the consequences of lobar lung donation are all-too-often not so heartwarming for the donors. They typically face a 16% reduction in lung capacity, and face other consequences and complications (various complications each at rates around 3-4%). Link

In the US, a change in the lung allocation policy resulted in kids getting priority for lungs. This happened in 2004. As a result, we now have 6 or fewer of these living-donor lung transplants a year (used to be 25+), with only 1 in the 2008-2009 period.
 
2012-09-13 10:16:54 AM
The sad tag would have been more appropriate. After a dual lung transplant, a CF patient survives only for another 4.5 years on average. I understand the parents sacrifice, but given the inevitability, it is too much to sacrifice. I'm a bit surprised the surgeons agreed to the procedure.
 
2012-09-13 10:18:10 AM
Valiente
Dude, that was the old Germany.

OTOH not too far ago there was that guy from Germany's "Christian" conservatives who was talking about reducing health care spending by not paying for senior citizens' surgeries because you don't get much bang for the buck by extending the life of pensioners who will soon be dead anyway.
 
2012-09-13 10:24:20 AM
He gets two and they're each left with one? Greedy little shiat.
 
2012-09-13 10:25:45 AM
So when his disease destroys these lungs too, where will he get his next set?
 
2012-09-13 10:31:58 AM

The Voice of Doom: Valiente
Dude, that was the old Germany.

OTOH not too far ago there was that guy from Germany's "Christian" conservatives who was talking about reducing health care spending by not paying for senior citizens' surgeries because you don't get much bang for the buck by extending the life of pensioners who will soon be dead anyway.


That's outrageously level-headed.
 
2012-09-13 10:46:57 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: So when his disease destroys these lungs too, where will he get his next set?


The lung damage is obviously very problematic, but CF affects the pancreas, bowel, liver, urinary tract and other organs, too. Eventually, one or more of these organs will fail. His transplanted lungs come from his parents, both of whom carry the gene for CF, but they don't have the disorder, so the replacements won't be affected. The kid may get lucky and live for quite some time, but it is unlikely.
 
2012-09-13 10:48:03 AM

JackieRabbit: The sad tag would have been more appropriate. After a dual lung transplant, a CF patient survives only for another 4.5 years on average. I understand the parents sacrifice, but given the inevitability, it is too much to sacrifice. I'm a bit surprised the surgeons agreed to the procedure.


That's what I wondered... wouldn't the "new" lungs end up filling up with fluids also?
 
2012-09-13 10:50:48 AM

The Voice of Doom: Valiente
Dude, that was the old Germany.

OTOH not too far ago there was that guy from Germany's "Christian" conservatives who was talking about reducing health care spending by not paying for senior citizens' surgeries because you don't get much bang for the buck by extending the life of pensioners who will soon be dead anyway.


The line between honest realism and callous disregard is as fuzzy as Grandma's chin.
 
mhd
2012-09-13 10:51:31 AM

The Voice of Doom: OTOH not too far ago there was that guy from Germany's "Christian" conservatives who was talking about reducing health care spending by not paying for senior citizens' surgeries because you don't get much bang for the buck by extending the life of pensioners who will soon be dead anyway.


Yeah, 2003, some pissant member of the party's "youth" organization (similar to the Young Republicans) was making the argument for setting the healthcare level for the elderly in general to a bare minimum, basically preventing poverty. Wasn't about life-saving surgery, but about hip replacements... Pretty universally criticized for that, and it's not really a common view. He's a bit of a party rebel in general, with views that wouldn't look to out of place in the GOP.

And recently there was a small kerfuffle about a quote said by the health minister (not a member of the Christian conservatives, but of their libertarian coalition partner), again about hip and knee replacements, most asking why they're that common and actually needed all the time (doctors might go for the more expensive procedure even when it might not be needed).

For comparison, according to a recent statistic Germans got 298 hip replacements per 100 000 people, higher than any other country - in the US it was 184. (Interestingly Germany and the US tie the top spot for knee replacements with 213, while the rest of the field stays about the same. I guess that surgery for athletes accounts for the big jump.)
 
2012-09-13 10:58:50 AM
Can't we all just get a lung?
 
2012-09-13 11:05:09 AM

draypresct: While the story is heartwarming, the consequences of lobar lung donation are all-too-often not so heartwarming for the donors. They typically face a 16% reduction in lung capacity, and face other consequences and complications (various complications each at rates around 3-4%). Link

In the US, a change in the lung allocation policy resulted in kids getting priority for lungs. This happened in 2004. As a result, we now have 6 or fewer of these living-donor lung transplants a year (used to be 25+), with only 1 in the 2008-2009 period.


I would think donating one lung would mean a 50% reduction in lung capacity. Does the remaining lung grow a bit?
 
2012-09-13 11:11:55 AM
I only have one lung so I'm getting a gasp out of this.

/also have ping pong balls too.
 
2012-09-13 11:14:55 AM

Thraeryn: It honestly bothers me that two people halved their opportunities and their quality of life to load an extra bullet into their bloodline's "cystic fibrosis" six-shooter.


That's because you are a horrible person. The kid will still probably not live long enough to procreate.

/waaa! Why would two loving parents try to extend their child's life??? How could they be so selfish????
 
2012-09-13 11:18:32 AM

devilEther: poor kid, now his parents are gonna lay a serious guilt trip on him the rest of his life.
"How can you talk to me like that, not only did I bring you into this world, I gave up a lung for you!"
"What do you mean you don't want to go to that college. If it weren't for me giving up a lung, you wouldn't even be alive!"


The divorce will be incredibly awkward.
 
2012-09-13 11:32:49 AM

wildcardjack: Ah, the sunk cost fallacy at it's finest.


Despite what page 5 of your Macroeconomics 101 text says, people aren't rational.
 
2012-09-13 11:33:06 AM
Socialists!
 
2012-09-13 11:35:38 AM
Am I the only one who misread that as "each hacked up a lung to save son"?
 
2012-09-13 11:40:28 AM
home.xnet.com
 
2012-09-13 11:41:16 AM

FizixJunkee


wildcardjack: Ah, the sunk cost fallacy at it's finest.

Despite what page 5 of your Macroeconomics 101 text says, people aren't rational.


We can't really expect competent analysis from anyone who still doesn't know how to use an apostrophe correctly.
 
2012-09-13 11:44:26 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: FizixJunkee

wildcardjack: Ah, the sunk cost fallacy at it's finest.

Despite what page 5 of your Macroeconomics 101 text says, people aren't rational.


We can't really expect competent analysis from anyone who still doesn't know how to use an apostrophe correctly.


I didn't feel like pointing that out to him. I'm too lazy today.
 
2012-09-13 11:48:26 AM
f--king knew it was CF. Such a jerk disease...

/friend had a double lung transplant
//still died young, but it at least bought her a decade, she became an adult, lived semi-independently, found love, etc. that she wouldn't have had otherwise
///still, f--k CF

Thraeryn: It honestly bothers me that two people halved their opportunities and their quality of life to load an extra bullet into their bloodline's "cystic fibrosis" six-shooter.


It honestly bothers me: how do you live with yourself?
 
2012-09-13 11:51:24 AM

BarkingUnicorn: draypresct: While the story is heartwarming, the consequences of lobar lung donation are all-too-often not so heartwarming for the donors. They typically face a 16% reduction in lung capacity, and face other consequences and complications (various complications each at rates around 3-4%). Link

In the US, a change in the lung allocation policy resulted in kids getting priority for lungs. This happened in 2004. As a result, we now have 6 or fewer of these living-donor lung transplants a year (used to be 25+), with only 1 in the 2008-2009 period.

I would think donating one lung would mean a 50% reduction in lung capacity. Does the remaining lung grow a bit?


Typically, you donate a lobe, not the entire lung (which wouldn't fit in the child anyways). And I'm guessing here, but maybe the rest of the lung can expand a little more than it usually can with the lobe gone.

/Not a doctor at all, let alone a transplant doc.
 
2012-09-13 11:53:11 AM
Organ donation should be 'opt out' instead of 'opt in'.
 
2012-09-13 11:59:52 AM
yea, lung transplants-not so much.

organ transplant sounds good, but when you see the bad side face to face (I'm an CVICU RN) it's fooked.

no thanks.
 
2012-09-13 12:00:23 PM
But what about his pony? I think it's his lung.
 
2012-09-13 12:01:36 PM
There's a joke in here somewhere..."Whaddya think, I'm made 'a lungs!??"
 
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