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(Today)   Kirstie Alley defends Scientology, denies the Great Tom Cruise Beard Hunt, appears to be maintaining a low-engram diet   (todayentertainment.today.com) divider line 56
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2012-09-13 04:55:12 AM  
good luck finding a pic of Kirstie with her hair up and back. the woman has the largest ears ever seen on a human. i'm talking epic, OMG, you stare in amazement ears. Kirstie can be walking down Hollywood Blvd and hear you squeeze out a fart in Hoboken.
 
2012-09-13 08:22:24 AM  
"I think that a magazine of that caliber should have interviewed him, and then they would get the truth."

He declined to be interviewed, you clueless twit.
 
2012-09-13 08:24:23 AM  

KrispyKritter: good luck finding a pic of Kirstie with her hair up and back. the woman has the largest ears ever seen on a human


Those are her prosthetic ears from Star Trek 2. They could never get them off.
 
2012-09-13 09:10:30 AM  
Lol, whatever lady, don't you have some black guys to sleep with since they love fat white broads so much?
 
2012-09-13 09:13:26 AM  

KrispyKritter: good luck finding a pic of Kirstie with her hair up and back. the woman has the largest ears ever seen on a human. i'm talking epic, OMG, you stare in amazement ears. Kirstie can be walking down Hollywood Blvd and hear you squeeze out a fart in Hoboken.


silverspock.files.wordpress.com

Holy shiat, he's right!
 
2012-09-13 09:13:55 AM  
I loved "Fat Actress", but when I found out Alley was a Scientologist, I ceased to like her. Scientology is pretty powerful, I can go from like to hate just like "that".
 
2012-09-13 09:20:24 AM  

KrispyKritter: Kirstie can be walking down Hollywood Blvd and hear you squeeze out a fart in Hoboken.


www.dohtem.com

Hoboken? Oooh, I'm dyin' again.
 
2012-09-13 09:20:59 AM  
I had the same reaction to Leah Remini.
 
2012-09-13 09:25:12 AM  
She needs a Thetan enema and douche.
 
2012-09-13 09:26:08 AM  
So was the Dumbass tag replaced by Robin Curtis?
 
2012-09-13 09:33:15 AM  
If the article is such bullshiat, why is noone being sued for libel?
 
2012-09-13 09:36:07 AM  

Crewmannumber6: If the article is such bullshiat, why is noone being sued for libel?


That's the first thing I thought of. Scientology sues everybody. It's one of their commandments.
 
2012-09-13 09:41:58 AM  

Crewmannumber6: If the article is such bullshiat, why is noone being sued for libel?


So Mrs Brown's daughter wasn't so lovely?
 
2012-09-13 09:42:06 AM  

Mugato: Crewmannumber6: If the article is such bullshiat, why is noone being sued for libel?

That's the first thing I thought of. Scientology sues everybody. It's one of their commandments.


Also Jews.
 
2012-09-13 09:55:35 AM  

KrispyKritter: good luck finding a pic of Kirstie with her hair up and back. the woman has the largest ears ever seen on a human. i'm talking epic, OMG, you stare in amazement ears. Kirstie can be walking down Hollywood Blvd and hear you squeeze out a fart in Hoboken.


snert
 
2012-09-13 10:02:15 AM  
Can we have a Celebrity Deathmatch episode that puts Scientology vs Westboro Baptist?
 
2012-09-13 10:13:10 AM  

Rhames: Can we have a Celebrity Deathmatch episode that puts Scientology vs Westboro Baptist?


Newsletter?
 
2012-09-13 10:16:09 AM  
Does anyone know Kirstie's OT level? She's got to know about Xenu by now, right?
 
2012-09-13 10:20:36 AM  

Mercutio74: Does anyone know Kirstie's OT level? She's got to know about Xenu by now, right?


She doesn't have enough money.
 
2012-09-13 10:24:04 AM  
i'd totally do Shelley Long, even tho she's probably 80 by now. and i'd even listen to her babble a bit first. but that chick who co-starred with Kathy Najimy in that show about selling women's underwear? who cares what she has to say about anything?
 
2012-09-13 10:24:27 AM  

bassmonkeee: I had the same reaction to Leah Remini.


Both Kirstey Alley & Leah Remini were cute women who got fat.
I am now wondering if this is byproduct of Scientology.
Obviously it doesn't affect men (Tom Cruise, Jason Lee, John Travolta-not so much) but it's got me thinking.......
Maybe Elron was a chubby-chaser
 
2012-09-13 10:38:42 AM  
Okey so if the article was so fraught with lies then why didn't the lawyer go all liable over Vanity Fair?

/Because its hard to call something that is based in fact a lie.
 
2012-09-13 10:47:23 AM  

genepool lifeboat: Crewmannumber6: If the article is such bullshiat, why is noone being sued for libel?

So Mrs Brown's daughter wasn't so lovely?


Henry the Eighth sees what you did there.
 
2012-09-13 10:53:21 AM  

robohobo: Mercutio74: Does anyone know Kirstie's OT level? She's got to know about Xenu by now, right?

She doesn't have enough money.


I'm sure Kirstie has enough money to get to OT3, pass her auditing, and be declared clear with a CCRD. She should be part of a Class V or higher organization. If that doesn't work, she can always invoke the name of Travolta.
 
2012-09-13 11:02:46 AM  
An actress at her point in her career wont bite the hand that feeds.
 
2012-09-13 11:03:18 AM  

Mercutio74: Does anyone know Kirstie's OT level? She's got to know about Xenu by now, right?


How is the Xenu creation myth any more ridiculous than the Garden of Eden story or whatever elephant nonsense the Hindus have about the creation of life? Not to defend Scientology or anything, but she's right about this:

"I think that probably all religions sound bizarre to people who are not the practitioners of them."
 
2012-09-13 11:12:59 AM  
Deat Kirstie and national news media, please point out to me a single instance of a Scientologist criticizing any aspect of their church while they are still in the church.

All Current Scientologists: "Everything is great! Hubbard makes us more 'able' and makes us super-human. There is no abuse, blackmail, coercion, corruption, slave-labor, child abuse or sham arranged marriages for our gay celebrity high-profile members."

All ex-Scientologists: "ZOMG!! You can't even imagine how freaky, corrupt and twisted that cult is. It's everything you said and worse!"

Fark Scientology and their shills.
 
2012-09-13 11:28:09 AM  
"To me, it's so normal, and probably 90 percent of the crazy stuff I hear isn't true."

If even 10% of the crazy stuff you hear about Scientology is true, that might be worth reflecting upon.
 
2012-09-13 11:33:33 AM  

KrispyKritter: good luck finding a pic of Kirstie with her hair up and back. the woman has the largest ears ever seen on a human. i'm talking epic, OMG, you stare in amazement ears. Kirstie can be walking down Hollywood Blvd and hear you squeeze out a fart in Hoboken.


look at those things!

silverspock.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-13 11:38:18 AM  
posted that before scrolling

/apologies
 
2012-09-13 12:08:34 PM  
She adds, "To me, it's so normal, and probably 90 percent of the crazy stuff I hear isn't true."

Lady, if even only 10% is true, that's enough for me to call it crazy. Same with all religions. Been reading about Mormons lately and their origin story is just as scamtacular as L. Ron's cult.
 
2012-09-13 12:32:16 PM  

Uzzah: How is the Xenu creation myth any more ridiculous than the Garden of Eden story or whatever elephant nonsense the Hindus have about the creation of life? Not to defend Scientology or anything, but she's right about this:

"I think that probably all religions sound bizarre to people who are not the practitioners of them."


Well, it's not more ridiculous on the face of it, but there are two special circumstances here. Firstly, the Judaic/Christian/Islamic story was invented prior to a widely accepted scientific explanation of the formations of the universe. Scientology's creation myth of mankind was made far after scietific fact could have invalidated it... or at least made it seem so incredibly implausible as to be disregarded.

Secondly, even the Scientologists know it's so out of place and crazy in modern world, they keep it a secret until they've given themselves a long enough indoctrination period.

But from a plausibility standpoint... both are equally ludicrous.
 
2012-09-13 12:44:13 PM  

Uzzah: How is the Xenu creation myth any more ridiculous than the Garden of Eden story or whatever elephant nonsense the Hindus have about the creation of life? Not to defend Scientology or anything, but she's right about this:

"I think that probably all religions sound bizarre to people who are not the practitioners of them."


Religion Versus Cult


Religions respect the individual's autonomy.
Cults enforce compliance.

Religions try to help individuals meet their spiritual needs.
Cults exploit spiritual needs.

Religions tolerate and even encourage questions and independent, critical thinking.
Cults discourage questions and independent critical thinking.

Religions encourage psycho-spiritual integration.
Cults "split" members into the "good cult self" and the "bad old self."

Conversion to religions involves an unfolding of internal processes central to a person's identity.
Cultic conversion involves an unaware surrender to external forces that care little for the person's identity.

Religions view money as a means, subject to ethical restraints, toward achieving noble ends.
Cults view money as an end or as a means toward achieving power or the selfish goals of the leader.

Religions view sex between clergy and the faithful as unethical.
Cults frequently subject members to the sexual appetites of the leaders.

Religions respond to critics respectfully.
Cults frequently intimidate critics with physical or legal threats.

Religions cherish the family.
Cults view the family as an enemy.

Religions encourage a person to think carefully before making a commitment to join.
Cults encourage quick decisions with little information. 

ALSO: Scientology forces you to pay through the nose to learn its secrets, while you can just walk into any temple, church or synagogue and learn about them for free
 
2012-09-13 12:47:27 PM  

I_Love_Cheesecake: Uzzah: How is the Xenu creation myth any more ridiculous than the Garden of Eden story or whatever elephant nonsense the Hindus have about the creation of life? Not to defend Scientology or anything, but she's right about this:

"I think that probably all religions sound bizarre to people who are not the practitioners of them."

Religion Versus Cult


Religions respect the individual's autonomy.
Cults enforce compliance.

Religions try to help individuals meet their spiritual needs.
Cults exploit spiritual needs.

Religions tolerate and even encourage questions and independent, critical thinking.
Cults discourage questions and independent critical thinking.

Religions encourage psycho-spiritual integration.
Cults "split" members into the "good cult self" and the "bad old self."

Conversion to religions involves an unfolding of internal processes central to a person's identity.
Cultic conversion involves an unaware surrender to external forces that care little for the person's identity.

Religions view money as a means, subject to ethical restraints, toward achieving noble ends.
Cults view money as an end or as a means toward achieving power or the selfish goals of the leader.

Religions view sex between clergy and the faithful as unethical.
Cults frequently subject members to the sexual appetites of the leaders.

Religions respond to critics respectfully.
Cults frequently intimidate critics with physical or legal threats.

Religions cherish the family.
Cults view the family as an enemy.

Religions encourage a person to think carefully before making a commitment to join.
Cults encourage quick decisions with little information. 

ALSO: Scientology forces you to pay through the nose to learn its secrets, while you can just walk into any temple, church or synagogue and learn about them for free


What I learned today: All major religions are at least somewhat cult-like.
 
2012-09-13 01:12:15 PM  

Mercutio74:

What I learned today: All major religions belief systems are at least somewhat cult-like.


FTFY

Yes, even yours, dear farkers. Especially yours.

Also, sex between clergy and parishioners can be verboten, accepted, or holy, depending on the faith. Obviously, priests of Cybele (who emasculated themselves, usually with a sharp rock (wikipedia is incorrect in calling it castration)) aren't boning anyone, while priestesses of Ishtar/Inana had it as part of their job description.
 
2012-09-13 01:53:37 PM  

I_Love_Cheesecake: Uzzah: How is the Xenu creation myth any more ridiculous than the Garden of Eden story or whatever elephant nonsense the Hindus have about the creation of life? Not to defend Scientology or anything, but she's right about this:

"I think that probably all religions sound bizarre to people who are not the practitioners of them."

Religion Versus Cult


Religions respect the individual's autonomy.
Cults enforce compliance.

Religions try to help individuals meet their spiritual needs.
Cults exploit spiritual needs.

Religions tolerate and even encourage questions and independent, critical thinking.
Cults discourage questions and independent critical thinking.

Religions encourage psycho-spiritual integration.
Cults "split" members into the "good cult self" and the "bad old self."

Conversion to religions involves an unfolding of internal processes central to a person's identity.
Cultic conversion involves an unaware surrender to external forces that care little for the person's identity.

Religions view money as a means, subject to ethical restraints, toward achieving noble ends.
Cults view money as an end or as a means toward achieving power or the selfish goals of the leader.

Religions view sex between clergy and the faithful as unethical.
Cults frequently subject members to the sexual appetites of the leaders.

Religions respond to critics respectfully.
Cults frequently intimidate critics with physical or legal threats.

Religions cherish the family.
Cults view the family as an enemy.

Religions encourage a person to think carefully before making a commitment to join.
Cults encourage quick decisions with little information. 

ALSO: Scientology forces you to pay through the nose to learn its secrets, while you can just walk into any temple, church or synagogue and learn about them for free


Tithes, how do they work????
 
2012-09-13 02:00:12 PM  
You aren't forced to pay tithes, and it has nothing to do with being told about what the religion involves or the belief system. Most places will give you a bible or whatever for free.
 
2012-09-13 02:02:12 PM  
^ As opposed to Scientology, where you don't learn the belief system until undergoing classes which aren't free. They also claim that learning the secrets before you've been trained properly will be mentally harmful in some vague way.
 
2012-09-13 02:05:16 PM  

empres77:

Tithes, how do they work????


Tithes are voluntary. At least in a Xian church, if you are ever forced to tithe, you need to leave that church and find another one that isn't run by a con artist. Other religions have other requirements, but most legitimate religions will perform holy services for free if you are destitute and for a nominal fee otherwise.

In addition, If you are charged beyond the cost of materials for holy scripture in any major religion, you need to report the person doing so to their superior. You should also be able to find the complete source material available for free, at least at libraries, if not at the house of worship.

Even if Scientology was a legit religion (like, maybe, the Freezoners), it still is a mystery cult (as were Gnosticism, Druidism, Mithraism, and many other ancient religions) because you can only get more detail about their beliefs as you advance (Gnostics and Mithrites) and/or kill and oppress people (Druids).
 
2012-09-13 02:25:50 PM  

Mercutio74: What I learned today: All major religions are at least somewhat cult-like.


All religions can have a lunatic fringe that become violent and evil. That does not make any religion necessarily fit the definition of a cult.
 
2012-09-13 02:31:55 PM  

Mercutio74: But from a plausibility standpoint... both are equally ludicrous.


It's the common stock answer here on Fark that "all religious stories are goofy" and that's true. But some people have a snarky need to equate Scientology to other religions. The difference being that other religions weren't started in a well documented bar bet with a hack sci-fi author less than 60 years ago.

More importantly, most of the stories in the Bible are taken as parables to all but the most lunatic Bible literalists. Since you have to pa out the ass for the full Scientology story, that shiat is taken literally by everyone in the cult. That's the difference.
 
2012-09-13 02:41:08 PM  
Why doesn't Kirstie Alley or John Travolta or Tom Cruise ever have to don the khaki uniform and wander Clearwater?
 
2012-09-13 03:06:21 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: Why doesn't Kirstie Alley or John Travolta or Tom Cruise ever have to don the khaki uniform and wander Clearwater?


I have family in Clearwater. Downtown Clearwater is like some sci-fi or horror movie where everyone is replaced by alien pods or androids or whatever it is that makes people dress the same and walk the same with blank expressions and at any time if they suspect you, they will point and scream and the last memory that is still your own is that of the collective descending upon you, turning you into one of them. But then you find peace. Total calm and peace.

Wait, Big Beef Burrito, who are you and why are you asking questions like that?

I'm engaging in hyperbole of course.

But no really, downtown Clearwater is really like that. 
 
2012-09-13 03:26:07 PM  

steve_lou: You aren't forced to pay tithes, and it has nothing to do with being told about what the religion involves or the belief system. Most places will give you a bible or whatever for free.


No, but if you don't pay your full tithe you may not get a temple recommend Link during your tithing settlement Link.
 
2012-09-13 03:27:46 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop: steve_lou: You aren't forced to pay tithes, and it has nothing to do with being told about what the religion involves or the belief system. Most places will give you a bible or whatever for free.

No, but if you don't pay your full tithe you may not get a temple recommend Link during your tithing settlement Link.


You're either not really getting this or being deliberately obtuse.
 
2012-09-13 03:43:53 PM  

Mugato: Mr. Cat Poop: steve_lou: You aren't forced to pay tithes, and it has nothing to do with being told about what the religion involves or the belief system. Most places will give you a bible or whatever for free.

No, but if you don't pay your full tithe you may not get a temple recommend Link during your tithing settlement Link.

You're either not really getting this or being deliberately obtuse.


How am I being obtuse?
From LDS.org Link
To enter the temple you must be a full-tithe payer
It's right there on their website. In bold even.

From my wiki links:
LDS Church members perform rituals (termed ordinances) within temples. They are taught that temple ordinances are essential to achieving the condition of Exaltation (Mormonism) after the final judgment.

The LDS Church manual Preparing to Enter the Holy Temple explains that Latter-day Saints "do not discuss the temple ordinances outside the temples."

To enter the temple, an individual must be baptized, and after one year, may seek a temple recommend. The individual is interviewed by their bishop, during which they are asked a series of questions to determine their worthiness to enter the temple. 
 
2012-09-13 04:06:36 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop: How am I being obtuse?
From LDS.org Link


Oh man, why'd you post that? I already have the flu. Woozy, so sick......
 
2012-09-13 04:09:14 PM  

dittybopper: KrispyKritter: Kirstie can be walking down Hollywood Blvd and hear you squeeze out a fart in Hoboken.



Hoboken? Oooh, I'm dyin' again.


I luv you!
 
2012-09-13 04:20:40 PM  
As always in threads like these, for more information on the Co$, please visit Clambake.org.
 
2012-09-13 04:35:35 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop: How am I being obtuse?


I didn't realize you were talking about the LDS church, which is a specific cult of Judeo Christian religion.
 
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