Most movie theaters allow permit holders carrying guns.

[or'ly?]

But the Cinemark movie theater was the only one with a sign posted at the theater's entrance.

[citationneeded]

Oddly enuff, I find I don't have too much of a problem with the idea of allowing CCHers into malls, churches and movie houses.

Bars and restaurants where liquor is served? Not so much.

I don't know about that, but it they certainly don't do a damn bit of good, either.

Jackson Herring: Oh wow, people who literally masturbate to fantasies of shooting another human being are still pushing the laughable idea that having a half dozen cowboys firing blindly in a dark, smoke-filled theater would have somehow caused fewer deaths.

This.

I am a gun owner, shooter, and hunter, BUT that crowded dark theater was not place for a bunch of amateurs to open fire.

ManateeGag: well, if you are giving out free guns...

Then only criminals will pay taxes.

And drug free zone signs make you smoke crack.

HotWingConspiracy: And drug free zone signs make you smoke crack.

You see more skaters at strip malls that have "no skateboarding" signs than at malls that don't.

Coincidence? I think not.

Jackson Herring
Oh wow, people who literally masturbate to fantasies of shooting another human being



What? You mean... you don't?

Interesting that we are told that "guns don't kill people", but now the same side of the argument thinks signs can kill people.

quatchi: Most movie theaters allow permit holders carrying guns.

[or'ly?]

But the Cinemark movie theater was the only one with a sign posted at the theater's entrance.

[citationneeded]

Oddly enuff, I find I don't have too much of a problem with the idea of allowing CCHers into malls, churches and movie houses.

Bars and restaurants where liquor is served? Not so much.

Yeah watch out for 'HURDUR OPENCARRY IN MER BAR MERCIA'

Jackson Herring: Oh wow, people who literally masturbate to fantasies of shooting another human being are still pushing the laughable idea that having a half dozen cowboys firing blindly in a dark, smoke-filled theater would have somehow caused fewer deaths.

i'm thinking the point is more that there may have been at least one more death...

Jackson Herring: Oh wow, people who literally masturbate to fantasies of shooting another human being are still pushing the laughable idea that having a half dozen cowboys firing blindly in a dark, smoke-filled theater would have somehow caused fewer deaths.

They wouldn't be firing blindly - the muzzle flashes will guide their aim. Darwin's will be done.

Similarly, these signs attract drugs because if you know that no one has drugs then you're likely to be the coolest guy there if you have them, and you'll get all the chicks.

quatchi: Oddly enuff, I find I don't have too much of a problem with the idea of allowing CCHers into malls, churches and movie houses.

Bars and restaurants where liquor is served? Not so much.

So... basically you're cool with current boilerplate CC law? Because that's how it works in Texas and Florida and every state that has reciprocity with them, i.e. basically every state except Oregon, California, and a couple northeastern states.

The 51% rule is also, iirc, federal, and enforced by TABC so it's completely universal in the US.

The rules on the signs are usually a bit more complex and vary by state. In the case of Texas, there are areas that are gun-free but don't require a sign (hospitals, public schools), areas that cannot ever be gun-free no matter how many signs you put up (parking lots, public roads, public-accessible walkways), and for the remainder of private property there are two types of signs (Blue sign, no unpermitted firearms permitted, and Red sign, no firearms period). For 51% establishments, a sign isn't required to make it illegal to carry there, but not having a red sign is a TABC infraction.

Also, employers are allowed to ban employees from carrying even under conditions where they can't or don't ban private carry. So there's that.

Anyhow, that gives you the general idea of how most states set it up. Kind of a complicated mess at times.

//If you're not familiar, 51% of revenue gained from alcohol sales is the standard cutoff for classifications related to alcohol, a store below the mark is a grocer and above it is a liquor store, a restaurant below it is a restaurant and above it is a bar/public house, etc.

Lost Thought 00: Banning guns does indeed increase the probability of catastrophic shootings. However, it also decreases the probability of your everyday 1-2 person shootings. The question is not one of absolutes, but rather degrees and determining the appropriate balance between the two so as to minimize overall loss of life

Well said. Much like speed limits. Any speed limit will cause casualties, but it's about spectrum, risk, and consequence.

It's also worth noting that opening fire in a crowded theater with limited visibility and a good chance of hitting someone else is still illegal whether you're permitted or not. The question of whether you'd actually be legally able to return fire is a fairly nuanced one, allowing carry in theaters is more a question of convenience for customers so they don't have to turn around and put their gun in their car at the other end of the parking lot when they see the sign.

O'Reilly states the opposite of logic and reality and his audience thinks he's intelligent.

/you can't explain that.

Karac: That crowded, dark, and tear-gassed theater would not have been a place for Rambo to open fire.

I disagree. It would have been the perfect place for Rambo to open fire.

Because Rambo is a hero character in a movie who doesn't miss unless he wants to.

However, it would not have been a place for a pasty fat redneck to start blasting away at what he can only assume are muslins finally come to take his white women.

SpectroBoy: Jackson Herring: Oh wow, people who literally masturbate to fantasies of shooting another human being are still pushing the laughable idea that having a half dozen cowboys firing blindly in a dark, smoke-filled theater would have somehow caused fewer deaths.

This.

I am a gun owner, shooter, and hunter, BUT that crowded dark theater was not place for a bunch of amateurs to open fire.

I agree that in this particular case that darkened, tear gas-filled theater replete with frightened crowd fleeing desperately was no place to try to be a hero and that attempts to bring down the perp would have prolly ended badly.

That noted, I also think that on the whole allowing CCHers to carry in theaters isn't an unsupportable idea.

They aren't the problem.

LasersHurt: Jackson Herring: Oh wow, people who literally masturbate to fantasies of shooting another human being are still pushing the laughable idea that having a half dozen cowboys firing blindly in a dark, smoke-filled theater would have somehow caused fewer deaths.

"literally masturbate" eh?

Listen, if you know of another way to masturbate, I'd like to hear it!

/no really, please tell me. I'd like to know as many ways to masturbate as possible.

sprawl15: HotWingConspiracy: And drug free zone signs make you smoke crack.

You see more skaters at strip malls that have "no skateboarding" signs than at malls that don't.

Coincidence? I think not.

That's the culture. Every skater, myself included, has a picture of himself skating next to a 'No Skatebarding' sign. They'd be better off to put signs up that say 'Please hard flip this stair set'.

It's also worth noting that having a shootout in a theater is nothing like fighting in canopy jungle. I mean 'Nam was a foot soldier's war whereas this theater thing should be a piece of cake. I mean I had an M16, Jacko, not a gas mask and unlimited clips.

Me and Charlie, eyeball to eyeball. That's farkin' combat. The man in the black pajamas. Worthy farkin' adversary.

*shrugs*

Gun freedom=freedom from guns

Get over it.

TheGreatGazoo: The signs don't work on the Georgia Tech campus.

I like how you care deeply enough about the deaths of those Virginia Tech students to use them as a political tool, but not deeply enough to remember what school they went to.

Karac: That crowded, dark, and tear-gassed theater would not have been a place for Rambo to open fire.

Good thing it's already illegal to do so and every CCP holder knows that, then.

//Because, y'know, it's in the class you have to take to get licensed, and on the exam.

sprawl15: Karac: That crowded, dark, and tear-gassed theater would not have been a place for Rambo to open fire.

I disagree. It would have been the perfect place for Rambo to open fire.

Because Rambo is a hero character in a movie who doesn't miss unless he wants to.

However, it would not have been a place for a pasty fat redneck to start blasting away at what he can only assume are muslins finally come to take his white women.

Can aim:


Can't aim:

quatchi: Most movie theaters allow permit holders carrying guns.

[or'ly?]

But the Cinemark movie theater was the only one with a sign posted at the theater's entrance.

[citationneeded]


Is there a followup to this? The idea has been circulating that Holmes chose this theater specifically because it was a stated gun free zone.

thurstonxhowell: TheGreatGazoo: The signs don't work on the Georgia Tech campus.

I like how you care deeply enough about the deaths of those Virginia Tech students to use them as a political tool, but not deeply enough to remember what school they went to.

It was one of them thar darned teachin' places that teach them kids about Tech, boy howdy.

oldfarthenry: Signs, Signs, Everywhere there's signs.
Blocking out the scenery. Breaking my mind.
Do this! Don't do that! Can't you read the signs?

Funny how when I was a kid I regarded that song in almost a revolutionary context, and now it just seems fitting that it's the Teabagger anthem you're portraying it as.

CrackpipeCardozo:

Is there a followup to this? The idea has been circulating that Holmes chose this theater specifically because it was a stated gun free zone.

No one actually knows this. They guy isn't talking. It's speculation. It sounds like something that would have happened, but it's also close to his house. Who is to say he didn't choose it based on that? My speculation is as good as anyone's.

Besides, I assume that everyone is ignoring those signs and carrying guns everywhere. It seems like once a month there's a robbery at a Waffle House around here and everyone knows that there are likely multiple armed persons in a Waffle House. That's where gang members and rednecks hang out.

Am I the only person who regularly carries drugs right past drug-free signs? If I carried then I'd carry right past gun-free signs too. Who wouldn't?

Sock Ruh Tease: thurstonxhowell: TheGreatGazoo: The signs don't work on the Georgia Tech campus.

I like how you care deeply enough about the deaths of those Virginia Tech students to use them as a political tool, but not deeply enough to remember what school they went to.

It was one of them thar darned teachin' places that teach them kids about Tech, boy howdy.

Kids get robbed around the Georgia Tech campus about once a month or so because Tech is about a mile from Vince City which is possibly the city's worst neighborhood, or at least the city's most visible bad neighborhood. I'm not sure if they get robbed on campus, but the idea is that if they carried then they would be preventing themselves from being robbed while near campus.

Nerds with guns vs. gangbangers might not work out as well as people imagine. I see a lot of dead nerds.

Rapmaster2000: No one actually knows this. They guy isn't talking. It's speculation. It sounds like something that would have happened, but it's also close to his house. Who is to say he didn't choose it based on that? My speculation is as good as anyone's.

There's some unsourced Fox op/ed piece floating around which alleges that Holmes had a couple of theaters in closer proximity than the Cinemark theater, but these theaters didn't have stated gun-free signs posted. Just wondering if this was pure fabrication or if there was any truth to the matter (with regards to whether there were closer theaters which didn't have gun-free signs posted; we'll never know precisely why Holmes chose the Cinemark).

Found it: [O]ut of all the movie theaters within 20 minutes of his apartment showing the new Batman movie that night, it was the only one where guns were banned.


Is there a shred of truth to this statement?

CrackpipeCardozo: Found it: [O]ut of all the movie theaters within 20 minutes of his apartment showing the new Batman movie that night, it was the only one where guns were banned.


Is there a shred of truth to this statement?

Here's the Headline:
Did Colorado shooter single out Cinemark theater because it banned guns?

If a headline ends in a question mark, then the answer is usually"no".

We'll never know until he talks. It's possible, but I'm not going to give Holmes that much credit. He may not be the brilliant supervillain he wants us to think of him as.

Jim_Callahan: So... basically you're cool with current boilerplate CC law?

Basically, yes. Was not aware of the 51% rule though. Makes sense.

Jackson Herring: Oh wow, people who literally masturbate to fantasies of shooting another human being are still pushing the laughable idea that having a half dozen cowboys firing blindly in a dark, smoke-filled theater would have somehow caused fewer deaths.

FAIL.

The "people who literally masturbate to fantasies of shooting another human being" are *exactly* the ones who actually look for places where people are unarmed so they can fulfill their perverse fantasy unimpeded, when they finally snap.