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2012-09-13 03:27:40 PM

HeartBurnKid: fortheloveofgod: HeartBurnKid: The beautiful thing about Android is that, whatever you want, somebody makes it. Want a gigantor phone? You got it. Want something a little more pocketable? You got it. Want something with a hard keyboard? You got it. Want a phone with two screens? You got it. Want a phone that powers a tablet shell? You got it.

That's all great. You can get any type of Android phone you want. But if you get the hardkeyboard, do you then make fun of the one's who don't? I mean, your point seems to be that one can get whatever he or she wants. But what if her or she simply wants an Apple? Why make fun of them any more that you would make fun of someone who got a Samsung instead of an HTC? What if I want a closed system because I like knowing that every app I download has been vetted by Apple? What if I like the iPhone because it does everything that *I* need a phone to do for *my* needs? Why hate on that? I couldn't care any less what type of phone you use. I really couldn't. Why do the Android users seem to care so much about what other people use?

/and yes, the guy in the article was a douche. But of course there are no douche Android users, are there?

If you like the iPhone, then go right ahead and buy yourself an iPhone. I'm not going to hate on you for that. I'm just tired of seeing people like you hate on everything that isn't an iPhone, and hating on people who simply dislike certain aspects of the iPhone (like you did with your ranting about people who dislike its fragility).


I'm pretty sure you are confusing me with someone else. I haven't hated on anything, nor did I make any rants about people disliking fragility.
 
2012-09-13 03:32:59 PM

fortheloveofgod: HeartBurnKid: fortheloveofgod: HeartBurnKid: The beautiful thing about Android is that, whatever you want, somebody makes it. Want a gigantor phone? You got it. Want something a little more pocketable? You got it. Want something with a hard keyboard? You got it. Want a phone with two screens? You got it. Want a phone that powers a tablet shell? You got it.

That's all great. You can get any type of Android phone you want. But if you get the hardkeyboard, do you then make fun of the one's who don't? I mean, your point seems to be that one can get whatever he or she wants. But what if her or she simply wants an Apple? Why make fun of them any more that you would make fun of someone who got a Samsung instead of an HTC? What if I want a closed system because I like knowing that every app I download has been vetted by Apple? What if I like the iPhone because it does everything that *I* need a phone to do for *my* needs? Why hate on that? I couldn't care any less what type of phone you use. I really couldn't. Why do the Android users seem to care so much about what other people use?

/and yes, the guy in the article was a douche. But of course there are no douche Android users, are there?

If you like the iPhone, then go right ahead and buy yourself an iPhone. I'm not going to hate on you for that. I'm just tired of seeing people like you hate on everything that isn't an iPhone, and hating on people who simply dislike certain aspects of the iPhone (like you did with your ranting about people who dislike its fragility).

I'm pretty sure you are confusing me with someone else. I haven't hated on anything, nor did I make any rants about people disliking fragility.


Indeed I did; I confused you with Greek, the author of the post I was replying to. Sorry.
 
2012-09-13 03:36:25 PM

theflatline: Since when have Apple or its users been "rebellious"


This.
 
2012-09-13 03:44:09 PM

LasersHurt: Icetech3: All they have to biatch about is the music? How bout the iphone 5... bahahaha look.. now bigger! umm.. thats bout all.. thanks....

All of the parts are different and upgraded. Don't talk out of your ass.


This may be true, but in the end it's still just a smartphone. Android, iphone, whatever. Getting stoked over a smartphone in late 2012 is the same as getting stoked over a refrigerator.
 
2012-09-13 03:47:34 PM
I have a motorla defy, a 2 year old android phone. It is waterproof, has been in the pool, and the lake. Has gorilla glass, and a 32 gig memory chip in it. I bought it off of ebay for 150 bucks a year ago, new.

I put ICS on it, and now I run Jellybean just fine. Also takes Panoramic pics, even underwater...

www.motorola.com
 
2012-09-13 03:51:17 PM

extroverted_suicide: LasersHurt: Icetech3: All they have to biatch about is the music? How bout the iphone 5... bahahaha look.. now bigger! umm.. thats bout all.. thanks....

All of the parts are different and upgraded. Don't talk out of your ass.

This may be true, but in the end it's still just a smartphone. Android, iphone, whatever. Getting stoked over a smartphone in late 2012 is the same as getting stoked over a refrigerator.


I work for ATT and let me tell you, no one is excited about the 5, because it is a mediocre upgrade.

Still has an 8 mega pixel camera, panoramic shots, well android did it before. Even my old defy can do it. And there was an app for the other iphones to do it. Like Siri, nothing apple created, just something they absorbed.

The only real difference is the slightly larger screen and case and the claimed battery life.

The s3 is the better product and bang for the buck.
 
2012-09-13 03:51:47 PM

HotWingConspiracy: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Greek: And the widgets on the home screen? My wife uses an android phone. I don't remember the model, exactly, but it's a higher- end, well- rated Motorola, and it annoys me. I like being able to hit a button, go to the home screen, and tap the app I want to use, without digging around. If I want the functionality that the widgets provide, I'll pull down notification center.

Then take the widgets off your home screen and drop app icons there. Duh...

I mean really? REALLY?

Yeah I didn't know where he was going with that. The first thing I did was fix the widgets on my phone to what I liked.


Exactly...you can do whatever the hell you want with it. My S3 home screen is EMPTY save for the bottom bar. Because dammit, I like it that way. And it's mind numbingly simple and intuitive to do this. But It's like these iPeople want Apple to tell them what to like, and have been living that way for so long that they find customization is evil and confusing.
 
2012-09-13 03:53:34 PM

Alphakronik: After just now finding out what the "upgrades" are, I have this to say:


Apple must think very little of its customer base.


I imagine they think no more or less of their customers than the cliff does of its lemmings. They don't currently need to worry about their customers; they will throw their money at Apple no matter what right now. But they are definitely slipping and can only coast on their name for so long. There are devices at market right now that are already iphone 5 killers, and more are coming soon. I sincerely doubt Apple gets a free pass in 8 months when they come out with the iphone 6 (now in different colors!).
 
2012-09-13 03:54:36 PM

LasersHurt: Icetech3: All they have to biatch about is the music? How bout the iphone 5... bahahaha look.. now bigger! umm.. thats bout all.. thanks....

All of the parts are different and upgraded. Don't talk out of your ass.


And yet, it does nothing new.
 
2012-09-13 03:59:52 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: LasersHurt: Icetech3: All they have to biatch about is the music? How bout the iphone 5... bahahaha look.. now bigger! umm.. thats bout all.. thanks....

All of the parts are different and upgraded. Don't talk out of your ass.

And yet, it does nothing new.


All I was commenting on was his silly notion that the only difference is that it's bigger.
 
2012-09-13 04:02:51 PM

extroverted_suicide: LasersHurt: Icetech3: All they have to biatch about is the music? How bout the iphone 5... bahahaha look.. now bigger! umm.. thats bout all.. thanks....

All of the parts are different and upgraded. Don't talk out of your ass.

This may be true, but in the end it's still just a smartphone. Android, iphone, whatever. Getting stoked over a smartphone in late 2012 is the same as getting stoked over a refrigerator.


I wish I was young and jaded enough for that. But the phones they are releasing trump computers I had not as a wee child, but well into my schooling years. 5 years of innovation has created a breed of tiny personal computers that go everywhere with you that are nothing short of wondrous.

They are not "like a refrigerator." Appreciate what you have.
 
2012-09-13 04:20:04 PM
At least it wasn't Nickelback.
 
2012-09-13 04:29:10 PM

LasersHurt: They are not "like a refrigerator." Appreciate what you have.


That's not the point being made. The point is more about how technology hits a point where it's hard to innovate more than what you have.

Look at cars. There's a huge difference between a car from 1950 and 1960, but the difference between 2000 and 2012 is tiny. You'll get maybe an extra mile per gallon and an iPod socket.

The iPhone 5 isn't just a not very interesting upgrade, it marks the point where you'll probably never be able to have an interesting, news-worthy upgrade of a phone. Phones will improve, but the days when people were itching for their contracts to expire so they could get the next phone are probably over.
 
2012-09-13 04:45:54 PM

Revek: Who gives a rats gonad. Buy a android and move on from icrap.


Once they finally have the audio input lag for guitars fixed I will, they are a lot better now than a few years ago but still have a ways to go.

I know I know, Android is better at everything so just pretend i didn't post this.
 
2012-09-13 04:50:47 PM

Russky: Revek: Who gives a rats gonad. Buy a android and move on from icrap.

Once they finally have the audio input lag for guitars fixed I will, they are a lot better now than a few years ago but still have a ways to go.

I know I know, Android is better at everything so just pretend i didn't post this.


Why would you do that?

No go get a real phone, kid.
 
2012-09-13 04:59:39 PM

Rent Party: Russky: Revek: Who gives a rats gonad. Buy a android and move on from icrap.

Once they finally have the audio input lag for guitars fixed I will, they are a lot better now than a few years ago but still have a ways to go.

I know I know, Android is better at everything so just pretend i didn't post this.

Why would you do that?

No go get a real phone, kid.


I actually was playing around with one of those the other day, kind of cool but i like having the ability to do multi track recording and mess around writing songs, hence something like garageband or amplitude is actually a pretty cool tool. I don't need anything fancy because i don't pretend to be good, it's just for me and to have fun. The ability to slow down tracks without losing the pitch in amplitude is pretty kick ass for learning stuff as well.

So anyways when i bought that stuff the audio input lag on an android phone was something like 14 times as high as the ipad/iphone lag. Pretty crazy for a 'real' phone huh?

The sad part is i could buy the tablet, cables, multi track recorder and everything else for a fraction of the cost that my old 4 track tascam recorder cost me when i actually was a kid.
 
2012-09-13 05:02:00 PM
I'm still trying to get my head around the "Apple products = rebellious" statement.
 
2012-09-13 05:07:30 PM
i especially loved the Chromebook ads at the bottom of TFA.
 
2012-09-13 05:36:18 PM
I'm just dumbfounded that the culture wars have broken down to cell phones (among other googaws) I'm not nearly as passionate about anything I can't shoot, f**k, or ride.
 
2012-09-13 05:37:04 PM

Russky: Rent Party: Russky: Revek: Who gives a rats gonad. Buy a android and move on from icrap.

Once they finally have the audio input lag for guitars fixed I will, they are a lot better now than a few years ago but still have a ways to go.

I know I know, Android is better at everything so just pretend i didn't post this.

Why would you do that?

No go get a real phone, kid.

I actually was playing around with one of those the other day, kind of cool but i like having the ability to do multi track recording and mess around writing songs, hence something like garageband or amplitude is actually a pretty cool tool.


Tascam DP-8

I own one of these, and it's farking fantastic. As a bonus, if you ever do want to do something a bit more complicated, you can.

So you can still get your real phone.
 
2012-09-13 05:47:45 PM

farkeruk: LasersHurt: They are not "like a refrigerator." Appreciate what you have.

That's not the point being made. The point is more about how technology hits a point where it's hard to innovate more than what you have.

Look at cars. There's a huge difference between a car from 1950 and 1960, but the difference between 2000 and 2012 is tiny. You'll get maybe an extra mile per gallon and an iPod socket.

The iPhone 5 isn't just a not very interesting upgrade, it marks the point where you'll probably never be able to have an interesting, news-worthy upgrade of a phone. Phones will improve, but the days when people were itching for their contracts to expire so they could get the next phone are probably over.


You're both right. Today's smart phones, apple and otherwise, are incredible. But the shine has come off the newer versions as the market has matured. Not very long ago I was the guy waiting with baited breath for the newest release and keeping vigil for firmware upgrades, etc. then all the sudden two/three years pass and I've gone to the same place I am with desktops and laptops and tablets. I like to have relatively current shiat - but somewhere in the high middle range is just fine. Getting the latest chip, phone, or OS upgrade has reached a point of vastly diminishing returns relative to cost. Year old units are much better value and I can't think of a single thing of substance I'd be adding to go out and get the latest greatest release.
 
2012-09-13 05:51:20 PM

Toy_Cop: The biggest money-maker for Apple is the accessories they sell for their products. This is precisely the reason why they changed the power port on the new iPhone5 so they resell all the shiat people already have for their iPhone4s.


Nah, I'd be willing to bet it's iTunes/App Store. They're making a killing and all they have to do is keep the infrastructure intact. No real development cost either. You have a ton of people throwing software and music at you along with 30% of their sales just because you're there.

As for the port, I stand by my theory. With each new release of a product, apple has to either 1) Remove a commonly accepted feature: optical drive, VGA w/o a dongle, Ethernet port, etc. 2) Make something smaller just because they can. The iPhone already has what, like 4 buttons and a single port? Short of ditching volume control, the only way they can out-spartan themselves is to make the port smaller. "Ooh, look how cutting edge and minimalist our design is!"
 
2012-09-13 05:54:43 PM

Russky: Once they finally have the audio input lag for guitars fixed I will,


It's fixed in 4.1. So when are you getting your Nexus?
 
2012-09-13 06:27:01 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Wow...posted as I was writing up my last comment...but yeah, Foo Fighters...Nickelback...what's the difference?


Dave Grohl gave a shiat about music once while Nickleback have been about being rock stars from day 1.
 
2012-09-13 07:39:02 PM
Not owning a smart phone. Not missing it. Give apple credit for making a market where people feel they need something they don't.
 
2012-09-13 10:11:04 PM

JohnnyApocalypse: Not owning a smart phone. Not missing it. Give apple credit for making a market where people feel they need something they don't.


I don't NEED my smartphone (I have an Android) but I damn sure ENJOY my smartphone. It's great taking it on a bike ride and then watching my course back through Google Earth. It's great always having music. It's great having a PS1 and SNES emulator with me everywhere I go. It's just a pocket full of entertainment.

I don't much use the "phone" part, but the rest of it is excellent.

Not having one in no way makes you superior.
 
2012-09-13 11:55:13 PM

FlashHarry: Confabulat: I don't think Apple is the biggest corporation on Earth by a long shot.

Ahem


Market cap isn't really the same as size.
 
2012-09-14 12:58:30 AM

Icetech3: All they have to biatch about is the music? How bout the iphone 5... bahahaha look.. now bigger! umm.. thats bout all.. thanks....


It's bigger but at 4" is still smaller than the competition. Rather pathetic really.
 
2012-09-14 01:07:32 AM
I need the highest spec'd phone to remain superior to the rest of you plebes.....my angry birds high score and panoramic duckface photos depend on this!!! I swap out phones every six months and will swap out a phone sooner if a higher spec'd model comes along. I carry a blackberry, android, iphone, windows phone, and three laptops running linux, osx, and windows. I use these computers and phones to run the latest gaming emulators, index erotic films, and manage multiple facebook and myspace accounts. I am very important, and my social networks depend on me to be a tastemaker and trendsetter in the social space. I spend a great deal of time managing widgets and custom screen-savers as this is a necessity to stay fashionable. I am a power user, the average user probably should stick to an old school flip phone and leave the heavy lifting to the technoratti such as myself. I won't even hang out with someone unless they are rocking a quad core android phone or are flaunting the latest golden master release of ios 6.

Arguing over which platform is a silly waste of time, you should be leveraging the architecture of all the platforms. While you are arguing about which platform is the best, I have already organized two flash mobs, updated my facebook status, simultaneously posted to three fark threads under four different alts, and checked in as mayor of two bars in my town (foursquare), I have also twittered, netflixed, evernoted, dropboxed, and kindled.
 
2012-09-14 03:14:39 AM
styckx:

Was this satire? There is no way a real human being actually has thoughts like that.

People also argue vocipherously about which electronic telephone is better. People are not only stupid, they're weird.

What's this about bands that don't play their instruments? I quit giving a damn about popular music when Kurt Cobain killed himself, but I still recall being pleased when Pearl Jam & Neil Young had their instruments plugged in on the Video Music Awards. And now bands don't play their instruments? Isn't that what "band" means?
 
2012-09-14 03:16:17 AM
Joe Peanut:

I'm still trying to get my head around the "Apple products = rebellious" statement.

People quit thinking for themselves during the Carter administration.
 
2012-09-14 04:44:17 AM
Logged in purely to be added to the list of people who would stand in line to repeatedly punch the pretentious tool of an author in the sack.

My blood pressure actually went up to around the same levels as it does when arguing with creationists. What an assclown. If you are reading this, please remove yourself from society or at the very least seek sterility treatment.
 
2012-09-14 05:57:07 AM
Apple rebellious? Sure if rebellious is designing hardware interfaces that retards can understand.
He was right though about Microsoft, they would get Ryan Seacrest.
 
2012-09-14 07:48:47 AM
What's interesting about this story is just how much vitriol there is. Try imagining them writing something in this tone with Steve Jobs (pbuh) was in charge.

Me, I think the Cult is over. The spiritual leader is dead. From him and Woz, Apple was born. If he said that the web was better than apps, they were. If he then created an app store, it was then good. If he used IBM PowerPC chips for years, that was good and Intel chips were bad, until he said that Intel chips were good, at which point, they were.

Note how hiring Coldplay was brushed aside. "Steve hired them when they were still out there, on the rebellious edge, like him and us". Except that he didn't. They did a Keynote in 2010, long after they were big. The writer is simply believing that Steve Jobs could do no wrong, even if that requires rewriting history.
 
2012-09-14 07:56:25 AM

Rent Party: Russky: Rent Party: Russky: Revek: Who gives a rats gonad. Buy a android and move on from icrap.

Once they finally have the audio input lag for guitars fixed I will, they are a lot better now than a few years ago but still have a ways to go.

I know I know, Android is better at everything so just pretend i didn't post this.

Why would you do that?

No go get a real phone, kid.

I actually was playing around with one of those the other day, kind of cool but i like having the ability to do multi track recording and mess around writing songs, hence something like garageband or amplitude is actually a pretty cool tool.

Tascam DP-8

I own one of these, and it's farking fantastic. As a bonus, if you ever do want to do something a bit more complicated, you can.

So you can still get your real phone.


M-Audio Fast Track (I use the C400). Amazing sound.

(Warning: Amateur metal ahead -- Link)

/we're just demo'ing it up. should be done by xmas.
 
2012-09-14 09:16:02 AM

LasersHurt: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: LasersHurt: Icetech3: All they have to biatch about is the music? How bout the iphone 5... bahahaha look.. now bigger! umm.. thats bout all.. thanks....

All of the parts are different and upgraded. Don't talk out of your ass.

And yet, it does nothing new.

All I was commenting on was his silly notion that the only difference is that it's bigger.


From the perspective of the average user, that is the only noticeable difference. You think Ned from accounting is going to notice that Angry Birds loads a quarter of a second faster?
 
2012-09-14 09:18:06 AM

farkeruk: Note how hiring Coldplay was brushed aside. "Steve hired them when they were still out there, on the rebellious edge, like him and us". Except that he didn't. They did a Keynote in 2010, long after they were big. The writer is simply believing that Steve Jobs could do no wrong, even if that requires rewriting history.


Wow. Coldplay was never rebellious of edgy in the first place. Like, ever.
 
2012-09-14 09:52:13 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: LasersHurt: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: LasersHurt: Icetech3: All they have to biatch about is the music? How bout the iphone 5... bahahaha look.. now bigger! umm.. thats bout all.. thanks....

All of the parts are different and upgraded. Don't talk out of your ass.

And yet, it does nothing new.

All I was commenting on was his silly notion that the only difference is that it's bigger.

From the perspective of the average user, that is the only noticeable difference. You think Ned from accounting is going to notice that Angry Birds loads a quarter of a second faster?


The "perception of the average user" is irrelevant when you're talking about objective reality.
 
2012-09-14 10:14:22 AM

farkeruk: LasersHurt: They are not "like a refrigerator." Appreciate what you have.

That's not the point being made. The point is more about how technology hits a point where it's hard to innovate more than what you have.

Look at cars. There's a huge difference between a car from 1950 and 1960, but the difference between 2000 and 2012 is tiny. You'll get maybe an extra mile per gallon and an iPod socket.

The iPhone 5 isn't just a not very interesting upgrade, it marks the point where you'll probably never be able to have an interesting, news-worthy upgrade of a phone. Phones will improve, but the days when people were itching for their contracts to expire so they could get the next phone are probably over.


Actually neither of those was the point I was trying to make, which means I did a terrible job of making it.

Lasershurt, my first computer was a PC Jr. with 512KB RAM, housed in two bolt-on, foot-long cases. But I was a boss because I had 16 colors and 3 channel sound, my friends (those who actually had computers, at least) had 4 colors and the internal beeper. Farkeruk, good points. But I wasn't trying to say anything so in depth. My point was simply that smartphones are nearly ubiquitous these days. I may be misremembering, but I could swear I saw a reputable website reporting that something like 60% of Americans have some type of smartphone right now. I am not saying the technology is not amazing compared to computers of 20 or even 10 years ago; what I am saying is that so many people have them now, it's kind of silly to treat them as some sort of status symbol, bicker and argue about which one is better and which one "sucks," or stand in line for 6 hours to get one. The market has reached a maturity point wherein these devices are no more than common tools at this point.
 
2012-09-14 10:49:54 AM
Appreciate what you have.

imageshack.us
 
2012-09-14 12:59:01 PM
"Apple-esque"? Damn that is retarded.
 
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