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(Info Wars)   Thanks to Congress and the FISA extension, we're all the NSA's biatch now. Everyone's signed up for the NSA's unlimited eavesdropping plan, with a contract through 2017   (infowars.com) divider line 62
    More: Scary, FISA, NSA, Ron Wyden, intelligence gathering, Capital Hill, House of Representatives  
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2012-09-13 08:03:57 AM  
To ensure continued quality of service, this thread is being monitored by the NSA
 
2012-09-13 08:05:34 AM  
American politics is SO BORING!!
 
2012-09-13 08:08:05 AM  
IF you don't want to be eavesdropped on follow the NSA rule. Never Say Anything.
 
2012-09-13 08:16:50 AM  
When Nazi Germany fell the SS and Gestapo took off their badges and tried to blend in with crowd. They people tore them apart.

History is fun.
 
2012-09-13 08:18:09 AM  
Alternatively say shiatloads. All the time.

Meanwhlie, who wrote their congress critter? Hands up.
 
2012-09-13 08:22:38 AM  
FTFA "The bill still has to go before the Senate prior to heading to "president" Obama's desk. "

First, It shouldn't get that far. Though it probably will, BSABSVR.

Second what do you mean by "president"?
It's supposed to be capitalized not in quotes.
 
2012-09-13 08:23:03 AM  
Today is no different than yesterday
 
2012-09-13 08:23:17 AM  
The good news is that people who "hate America because of it's freedom" are re-evaluating their message.

They hate you for your McFreedom (r).
 
2012-09-13 08:27:35 AM  
First off, do we really need these large, sweeping surveillance's in our country anymore?

Second, who the fark puts quotations around the word "president"?
 
2012-09-13 08:29:03 AM  

TheGogmagog: FTFA "The bill still has to go before the Senate prior to heading to "president" Obama's desk. "

First, It shouldn't get that far. Though it probably will, BSABSVR.

Second what do you mean by "president"?
It's supposed to be capitalized not in quotes.


This.
/was reading on my phone
//saw quotations around "president"
///scroll up - yup - infowars
 
2012-09-13 08:32:13 AM  

killro: First off, do we really need these large, sweeping surveillance's in our country anymore?

Second, who the fark puts quotations around the word "president"?


No, and Infowars.
 
2012-09-13 08:32:34 AM  
If anyone wants a non-infowars Link.
 
2012-09-13 08:35:49 AM  

blackhalo: TheGogmagog: FTFA "The bill still has to go before the Senate prior to heading to "president" Obama's desk. "

First, It shouldn't get that far. Though it probably will, BSABSVR.

Second what do you mean by "president"?
It's supposed to be capitalized not in quotes.

This.
/was reading on my phone
//saw quotations around "president"
///scroll up - yup - infowars


I see I'm not the only one who picked up on this. Is "Infowars" the geek equivalent of birthers???
 
2012-09-13 08:38:36 AM  

xanadian: I see I'm not the only one who picked up on this. Is "Infowars" the geeklibertarian equivalent of birthers


FTFY
 
2012-09-13 08:38:36 AM  
COINTELPRO lives, still. We could use another break-in to end all break-ins.
 
2012-09-13 08:39:19 AM  

xanadian: blackhalo: TheGogmagog: FTFA "The bill still has to go before the Senate prior to heading to "president" Obama's desk. "

First, It shouldn't get that far. Though it probably will, BSABSVR.

Second what do you mean by "president"?
It's supposed to be capitalized not in quotes.

This.
/was reading on my phone
//saw quotations around "president"
///scroll up - yup - infowars

I see I'm not the only one who picked up on this. Is "Infowars" the geek equivalent of birthers???


"Infowars" is Alex Jones' personal derp repository.
 
2012-09-13 08:39:21 AM  
*checks voting record*

I see *both* representatives from the great state of Maine voted "nay."

Of course, so did RON PAUL, but that's no surprise.
 
2012-09-13 08:40:40 AM  
Infowars? This tab is a toilet and the mods seem unwilling to flush.
 
2012-09-13 08:43:21 AM  
Me only believe TV. Me throw tantrum at things not from TV. Me smart. You dumb!
 
2012-09-13 08:49:57 AM  
Hey, maybe they can use this to figure out when someone might try to storm an embassy or something.
 
2012-09-13 08:53:06 AM  

TheGogmagog: FTFA "The bill still has to go before the Senate prior to heading to "president" Obama's desk. "

First, It shouldn't get that far. Though it probably will, BSABSVR.

Second what do you mean by "president"?
It's supposed to be capitalized not in quotes.


It'll be the usual gig, the Democrats in the Senate will draw straws to determine who has to play "bad cop" and side with the Republicans to get this thing to the Presidents desk, then Obama will sign it, because oh yeah, hope and change. The only thing that will surprise me is if it gets mentioned in a newspaper or on teevee.
 
2012-09-13 09:03:49 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Infowars? This tab is a toilet and the mods seem unwilling to flush.


There's a Wired link in the first line of the article. More news, less tin foil.
 
2012-09-13 09:07:20 AM  

imontheinternet: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Infowars? This tab is a toilet and the mods seem unwilling to flush.

There's a Wired link in the first line of the article. More news, less tin foil.


Slightly less, but Wired still has a tendency to fashion tiny tin yarmulkes for themselves on national security issues.
 
2012-09-13 09:11:40 AM  
The House != Congress.
 
2012-09-13 09:18:35 AM  
Remember to say hello to the NSA in all your online posts and emails.

/jihad bomb allahu ackbar red infidel liquid cooled monkey brain
 
2012-09-13 09:23:42 AM  
Let the NSA collect all the inane nonsense produced by millions of prattling, texting, blogging, commenting fools. Have fun reading all that data 35 years from now.

The national security apparatus is a jobs program.
 
2012-09-13 09:25:52 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Hey, maybe they can use this to figure out when someone might try to storm an embassy or something.


Or maybe we can stop invading an occupying countries. I don't know. It would cost less and bring US soldiers home, so the NSA can listen to their phone sex.
 
2012-09-13 09:26:08 AM  

TheGogmagog: Second what do you mean by "president"?


It's a convenient way to let you know that the writer is a crazed idiot.
 
2012-09-13 09:30:57 AM  
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2012-09-13 09:43:11 AM  
 
2012-09-13 09:51:06 AM  

Koalacaust: The yeas and nays:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h569


At least my Representative voted no.
 
2012-09-13 09:54:31 AM  

thurstonxhowell: Koalacaust: The yeas and nays:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h569

At least my Representative voted no.


What a shocker. An overwhelming majority of Republicans voted in favor of expanded government surveillance.
 
2012-09-13 10:00:48 AM  

qorkfiend: thurstonxhowell: Koalacaust: The yeas and nays:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h569

At least my Representative voted no.

What a shocker. An overwhelming majority of Republicans voted in favor of expanded government surveillance.


It really shows you what the problem is. Republicans are 100% stupid and Democrats are 40% stupid. 40% may be less than 100%, but it's still nothing to brag about. Steny Hoyer and his ilk should be primaried out.
 
2012-09-13 10:01:03 AM  
If they give me an iPhone5, they can listen to everything I say.
 
2012-09-13 10:03:15 AM  
Has this go to the senate?

If not, relax, it will probably not pass.
 
2012-09-13 10:06:02 AM  
If the NSA is monitoring my communications, I feel sorry for the poor sucker they assign to the task. The boredom could easily lead to suicide, brain death, or becoming a politician!
 
2012-09-13 10:30:23 AM  
This is an extension to the bill that makes warrantless wiretapping summarily illegal.
 
2012-09-13 10:38:18 AM  
OMG....IMPEACH THE KENYAN STAT.
 
2012-09-13 10:41:04 AM  
Luckily, we will never have a Republican administration to abuse such power.
 
2012-09-13 10:45:12 AM  
Still better contract deals than AT&T.
 
2012-09-13 10:45:16 AM  

TheGogmagog: FTFA "The bill still has to go before the Senate prior to heading to "president" Obama's desk. "

First, It shouldn't get that far. Though it probably will, BSABSVR.

Second what do you mean by "president"?
It's supposed to be capitalized not in quotes.


That's what #president Obama would like you to think.
 
2012-09-13 10:47:22 AM  

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Words to live by.
 
2012-09-13 10:52:36 AM  
Education time!

(Note: This is about what the law says. We have little idea of if they are actually following it or not.)

The NSA's mission is foreign intelligence. Because a massive amount of foreign Internet traffic actually passes through cables within our physical borders, they want to be able to look at that, as they always have (looking at foreign communications). The FISA act allowed them to do that (observe international traffic routing through the US) freely - without a warrant.

Now, in order to determine where something comes from, they need to look at meta information of ALL traffic. If that traffic involves a US person (even abroad), then they do need a warrant to look past the metadata at the payload. To reiterate - FISA does not allow warrant-less viewing of data for US-based entities. It even has some restrictions on how long it can be stored - although I believe those were weakened recently via executive order.

So, that's what the law says. To be honest, it seems a fairly reasonable framework to start from (allowing foreign surveillance to happen while including protections for US citizens), although there's pretty clearly not enough accountability functions.

Which brings us to the real question: What are they actually doing behind closed doors?  It's pretty hard for us to know under the current setup
 
2012-09-13 11:00:02 AM  
Well isn't this just stellar.
 
2012-09-13 11:10:33 AM  

Durinia: Education time!

(Note: This is about what the law says. We have little idea of if they are actually following it or not.)

The NSA's mission is foreign intelligence. Because a massive amount of foreign Internet traffic actually passes through cables within our physical borders, they want to be able to look at that, as they always have (looking at foreign communications). The FISA act allowed them to do that (observe international traffic routing through the US) freely - without a warrant.

Now, in order to determine where something comes from, they need to look at meta information of ALL traffic. If that traffic involves a US person (even abroad), then they do need a warrant to look past the metadata at the payload. To reiterate - FISA does not allow warrant-less viewing of data for US-based entities. It even has some restrictions on how long it can be stored - although I believe those were weakened recently via executive order.

So, that's what the law says. To be honest, it seems a fairly reasonable framework to start from (allowing foreign surveillance to happen while including protections for US citizens), although there's pretty clearly not enough accountability functions.

Which brings us to the real question: What are they actually doing behind closed doors?  It's pretty hard for us to know under the current setup


Don't bring your facts in here, this is FARK!
 
2012-09-13 11:30:57 AM  
What's the standard NSA/Big Brother apologist line?

"If you don't have anything to hide, you don't have anything to worry about."
 
2012-09-13 11:54:36 AM  
So 20 years after an incident, they can put together the plot with perfect accuracy by sifting through 70 bazillion quadrillion bits of data.
 
2012-09-13 11:56:56 AM  

LasersHurt: Durinia: Education time!

(Note: This is about what the law says. We have little idea of if they are actually following it or not.)

The NSA's mission is foreign intelligence. Because a massive amount of foreign Internet traffic actually passes through cables within our physical borders, they want to be able to look at that, as they always have (looking at foreign communications). The FISA act allowed them to do that (observe international traffic routing through the US) freely - without a warrant.

Now, in order to determine where something comes from, they need to look at meta information of ALL traffic. If that traffic involves a US person (even abroad), then they do need a warrant to look past the metadata at the payload. To reiterate - FISA does not allow warrant-less viewing of data for US-based entities. It even has some restrictions on how long it can be stored - although I believe those were weakened recently via executive order.

So, that's what the law says. To be honest, it seems a fairly reasonable framework to start from (allowing foreign surveillance to happen while including protections for US citizens), although there's pretty clearly not enough accountability functions.

Which brings us to the real question: What are they actually doing behind closed doors?  It's pretty hard for us to know under the current setup

Don't bring your facts in here, this is FARK!



Except that it doesn't. I'd thought that a recent court decision ruled that taking electronic information is not a "seizure" because it does not deprive the original holder of that information. Under that interpretation, anything they happen to come across (emails, etc.) during the course of an investigation can be taken, read, and archived by them. They don't build massive yottabyte servers to store a couple hundred emails.

In fact, several senators, absolutely scared by the 'interpretation' of the laws, tried to pass a bill explicitly to declassify the congress's 'interpretation' of the PATRIOT act, so they could legally tell us what it was. This bill did not pass.
 
2012-09-13 12:01:26 PM  
Sim Tree:

I don't put a lot of stock in peoples' "interpretations" and "fears."
 
2012-09-13 12:10:54 PM  

LasersHurt: Sim Tree:

I don't put a lot of stock in peoples' "interpretations" and "fears."


Then why even bother wiretapping in the first place?
 
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