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(GameTrailers)   EA's Facebook page trolled by Valve fans with Gabe Newell pictures and hentai porn, thereby making hentai porn twice as creepy as before   (gametrailers.com) divider line 155
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2012-09-13 09:19:38 AM
That's a lot of creepy.
 
2012-09-13 09:48:54 AM
cultofmac.cultofmaccom.netdna-cdn.com
 
2012-09-13 10:19:58 AM
Hentai is creepy? Try googling "futa".
 
2012-09-13 10:26:28 AM
I'm going to shill for a moment:

Why not just link to the source that the article linked to: Geekparty?

/Friend with the owner of Geekparty
//You're welcome, dick!
 
2012-09-13 10:37:01 AM
hmmph

didn't even know what hentai porn was until now. i thought it was going to be those indian ladies who make non-permanent tattoos.
 
2012-09-13 10:37:49 AM
media.giantbomb.com

NOT AMUSED
 
2012-09-13 10:46:28 AM
Stay classy, PC Gamers!
 
2012-09-13 10:48:49 AM

abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!


They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry
 
2012-09-13 10:54:58 AM

DrRatchet: Hentai is creepy? Try googling "futa".


Definition for futa:
Web definitions:
The Federal Unemployment Tax Act (or FUTA) is a United States federal law that imposes a federal employer tax used to fund state...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUTA

/not sure that is what you meant
//maybe you meant en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futanari  (not linked on purpose you sick puppy)
 
2012-09-13 10:56:12 AM

Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!

They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry


while EA may have done some questionable things.... they do ship on time. we are still waiting for Valve to release HL2: EP3.

some game publishers remind me of 90's image comics.... nothing gets shipped on time.
 
2012-09-13 10:57:35 AM

Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!

They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry


That's like saying Mac OS and Linux are the same.

Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming and make gamers look like elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690 worthless.

EA on the other hand uses business ethics that makes Nigerian Royalty scammers blush.
 
2012-09-13 10:59:46 AM

Straight to doom: Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!

They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry

That's like saying Mac OS and Linux are the same.

Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming and make gamers look like elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690 worthless.

EA on the other hand uses business ethics that makes Nigerian Royalty scammers blush.


while PC gamers may be a bit "elite" acting..... it IS pc gamers that get the real advances in gaming done. no pc gamers - no advancement in hardware.
 
2012-09-13 11:06:27 AM

frepnog: Straight to doom: Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!

They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry

That's like saying Mac OS and Linux are the same.

Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming and make gamers look like elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690 worthless.

EA on the other hand uses business ethics that makes Nigerian Royalty scammers blush.

while PC gamers may be a bit "elite" acting..... it IS pc gamers that get the real advances in gaming done. no pc gamers - no advancement in hardware.


Um, no. Hardware would advance even if PC gaming died. Have you looked at what the next gen console projected Specs are? They're pretty close to a Mid to high grade PC of today. So while it'd be a little slower we'd still have development.

The only reason I can think of anything causing a delay in hardware development is if the industry took a massive blow, and I mean something big like an E.T. occurring.
 
2012-09-13 11:07:44 AM

Straight to doom: elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690


How the fark do these 13/yo basement dwellers afford a $1000 graphics card? My two laptops barely cost that much.

/console gamer
//PS3
 
2012-09-13 11:08:51 AM

frepnog: while EA may have done some questionable things.... they do ship on time.


Sure, they abuse their staff like slaves and shiat out a sequel riddled with bugs... on time!

/EA... challenge Ruin everything!
 
2012-09-13 11:09:19 AM
I hate EA because they prevent every other developer from using the Porsche license.

The only developer who managed to get access to it was Turn 10.
 
2012-09-13 11:10:19 AM

abhorrent1: Straight to doom: elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690

How the fark do these 13/yo basement dwellers afford a $1000 graphics card? My two laptops barely cost that much.

/console gamer
//PS3


Really? I've found some that go for around 500$ But, yeah it's ridiculous.

/console gamer too.
//Xb360 and Ps3
///Battlefield 3 is made of win.
////slashies.
 
2012-09-13 11:13:01 AM

Ass Exploder: [media.giantbomb.com image 300x380]

NOT AMUSED


Shut up Sheppard. Real men are.... Being.... silent.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-13 11:14:11 AM
Of course Valve fans couldn't bring themselves to have a third meme.
 
2012-09-13 11:14:35 AM

Straight to doom: Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!

They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry

That's like saying Mac OS and Linux are the same.

Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming and make gamers look like elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690 worthless.

EA on the other hand uses business ethics that makes Nigerian Royalty scammers blush.


What, and all console players are total bros?

/PC Gamer
//Not elitist
///I can at least agree with you about EA
 
2012-09-13 11:20:19 AM

Straight to doom: Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming and make gamers look like elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690 worthless.


*shrug* My Oblivion (with 14+ gigs of mods) looks and plays better than console vanilla Skyrim. _My_ Skyrim (with 20+ gigs of mods) plays at 1600x1024, with 2048x2048 textures, and all other settings maxxed, and does it without so much as a stutter (lingering transition instabilities notwithstanding.) And that's with 2010 hardware, so there are better gaming rigs than mine out there. But yes, PCs and consoles are exactly the same and our play experiences are always directly comparable.

/ 2005-2006 hardware + lowest common denominator vanilla gameplay isn't worthless, but it is limiting.
// Not suggesting their attack on EA is right. Funny, hell yes.
 
2012-09-13 11:20:54 AM

abhorrent1: How the fark do these 13/yo basement dwellers afford a $1000 graphics card? My two laptops barely cost that much.

/console gamer
//PS3


All the former 13 year old basement dwellers are now 30 year old basement dwellers.

Actually hardware prices are way down. The bleeding edge stuff is still expensive, but $200 will buy you a heck of a video card now.
 
2012-09-13 11:27:50 AM

Straight to doom: frepnog: Straight to doom: Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!

They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry

That's like saying Mac OS and Linux are the same.

Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming and make gamers look like elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690 worthless.

EA on the other hand uses business ethics that makes Nigerian Royalty scammers blush.

while PC gamers may be a bit "elite" acting..... it IS pc gamers that get the real advances in gaming done. no pc gamers - no advancement in hardware.

Um, no. Hardware would advance even if PC gaming died. Have you looked at what the next gen console projected Specs are? They're pretty close to a Mid to high grade PC of today. So while it'd be a little slower we'd still have development.

The only reason I can think of anything causing a delay in hardware development is if the industry took a massive blow, and I mean something big like an E.T. occurring.




keep telling yourself that granny needs a quad core with a gt800 to check her emails.

/without gaming, pc hardware didn't need to get much more powerful than a single core P4.
 
2012-09-13 11:28:06 AM

AntonChigger: Straight to doom: Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!

They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry

That's like saying Mac OS and Linux are the same.

Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming and make gamers look like elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690 worthless.

EA on the other hand uses business ethics that makes Nigerian Royalty scammers blush.

What, and all console players are total bros?

/PC Gamer
//Not elitist
///I can at least agree with you about EA


I'm not saying that, but I'll take a 12 year old screaming over me killing him in BF3 over a PC Gamer ranting on about how MODS R BEST THING EVURZ.

Am I saying Consoles are superior? No I'm not but I certainly don't sit there on a high horse prattling on about PC superiority.
 
2012-09-13 11:29:38 AM

MooseUpNorth: *shrug* My Oblivion (with 14+ gigs of mods) looks and plays better than console vanilla Skyrim. _My_ Skyrim (with 20+ gigs of mods) plays at 1600x1024, with 2048x2048 textures, and all other settings maxxed, and does it without so much as a stutter (lingering transition instabilities notwithstanding.) And that's with 2010 hardware, so there are better gaming rigs than mine out there. But yes, PCs and consoles are exactly the same and our play experiences are always directly comparable.


Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up. How about instead of ten thousand mods to put big titted underage Asian girls into Skyrim, PC gamers figure out a way to have a solid, dependable community like on XBox Live?
 
2012-09-13 11:30:26 AM

Straight to doom: I'm not saying that, but I'll take a 12 year old screaming over me killing him in BF3 over a PC Gamer ranting on about how MODS R BEST THING EVURZ.


Pretty sure I'm okay with that, too. Enjoy your screaming pre-teens.
 
2012-09-13 11:30:32 AM

sprawl15: MooseUpNorth: *shrug* My Oblivion (with 14+ gigs of mods) looks and plays better than console vanilla Skyrim. _My_ Skyrim (with 20+ gigs of mods) plays at 1600x1024, with 2048x2048 textures, and all other settings maxxed, and does it without so much as a stutter (lingering transition instabilities notwithstanding.) And that's with 2010 hardware, so there are better gaming rigs than mine out there. But yes, PCs and consoles are exactly the same and our play experiences are always directly comparable.

Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up. How about instead of ten thousand mods to put big titted underage Asian girls into Skyrim, PC gamers figure out a way to have a solid, dependable community like on XBox Live?


STEAM.

/jesus, you are either trolling or just a moron.
 
2012-09-13 11:30:32 AM

frepnog: Straight to doom: frepnog: Straight to doom: Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!

They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry

That's like saying Mac OS and Linux are the same.

Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming and make gamers look like elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690 worthless.

EA on the other hand uses business ethics that makes Nigerian Royalty scammers blush.

while PC gamers may be a bit "elite" acting..... it IS pc gamers that get the real advances in gaming done. no pc gamers - no advancement in hardware.

Um, no. Hardware would advance even if PC gaming died. Have you looked at what the next gen console projected Specs are? They're pretty close to a Mid to high grade PC of today. So while it'd be a little slower we'd still have development.

The only reason I can think of anything causing a delay in hardware development is if the industry took a massive blow, and I mean something big like an E.T. occurring.



keep telling yourself that granny needs a quad core with a gt800 to check her emails.

/without gaming, pc hardware didn't need to get much more powerful than a single core P4.


What? I use an AMD 3500 and an Nvidia 7300 GTS and I can play TF2

What world do you live in?

/Sorry for double post.
 
2012-09-13 11:33:25 AM

Straight to doom: frepnog: Straight to doom: frepnog: Straight to doom: Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!

They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry

That's like saying Mac OS and Linux are the same.

Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming and make gamers look like elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690 worthless.

EA on the other hand uses business ethics that makes Nigerian Royalty scammers blush.

while PC gamers may be a bit "elite" acting..... it IS pc gamers that get the real advances in gaming done. no pc gamers - no advancement in hardware.

Um, no. Hardware would advance even if PC gaming died. Have you looked at what the next gen console projected Specs are? They're pretty close to a Mid to high grade PC of today. So while it'd be a little slower we'd still have development.

The only reason I can think of anything causing a delay in hardware development is if the industry took a massive blow, and I mean something big like an E.T. occurring.



keep telling yourself that granny needs a quad core with a gt800 to check her emails.

/without gaming, pc hardware didn't need to get much more powerful than a single core P4.

What? I use an AMD 3500 and an Nvidia 7300 GTS and I can play TF2

What world do you live in?

/Sorry for double post.


not sure what your point is. yes, my own pc is an amd black from like 4 years ago with a gt550 video card and everything runs great. Doesn't mean that Skyrim with some hi-res mods couldn't look just damned amazing, tho if I had some more current hardware.

newer stuff coming out is getting amazing however, and it is ALL due to gaming.
 
2012-09-13 11:36:49 AM

frepnog: sprawl15: MooseUpNorth: *shrug* My Oblivion (with 14+ gigs of mods) looks and plays better than console vanilla Skyrim. _My_ Skyrim (with 20+ gigs of mods) plays at 1600x1024, with 2048x2048 textures, and all other settings maxxed, and does it without so much as a stutter (lingering transition instabilities notwithstanding.) And that's with 2010 hardware, so there are better gaming rigs than mine out there. But yes, PCs and consoles are exactly the same and our play experiences are always directly comparable.

Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up. How about instead of ten thousand mods to put big titted underage Asian girls into Skyrim, PC gamers figure out a way to have a solid, dependable community like on XBox Live?

STEAM.

/jesus, you are either trolling or just a moron.


Steam is far from perfect. Region locked coding, lack of good MAC support, Steams on form of DRM (To the point that when I had a good computer but with no Internet I couldn't play Fallout:NV)

Meanwhile on PSN and XBL I can play any game offline, not have to give a credit card and just use the pre paid cards. Plus the Party interface on XBL is so simple and quick I'll use that over a steam chat room.
 
2012-09-13 11:36:53 AM

AntonChigger: Straight to doom: Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!

They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry

That's like saying Mac OS and Linux are the same.

Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming and make gamers look like elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690 worthless.

EA on the other hand uses business ethics that makes Nigerian Royalty scammers blush.

What, and all console players are total bros?

/PC Gamer
//Not elitist
///I can at least agree with you about EA


I wish there were more PC gamers like you, who see themselves as a gamer first and the PC simply being their preferred platform. I used to be a big time PC gamer in HS it was pretty much all i did besides football.

Wanna feel strange? Tell your geeky friends you gotta show up late to the LAN because of friday night lights. At least they were willing to set up my beast for me ahead of time knowing i would be tired a shiat.

As time went on i've drifted away from my original PC roots, moving out of my comfort zone (which is a good thing). I still play a few games here and there (Civ V, anything Team Meat , Sins of a Solar Empire) but i'm mainly an Xbox person now. The thing that recently cemented me as a console gamer was a conversation i had with a buddy of mine's roommate. We were talking about Steam Big Picture , i was touting how it would allow more people to get access to steam's library in a way they enjoy playing. How it was designed with the controller in mind.

To quote "I guess the console-like interface is the selling point. I'm running my rig on 16:9 HDTVs right now, and I haven't noticed an issue. If I was a club-handed console kid that was incapable of using a 104-standard without choking myself with the cable, I could find a use for the thing."

It's just indicative of how the "Master Race PC Gamer" thinks, that little sense of superiority they feel because of how much time and money they've invested in their computer. In my mind there are no club handed console kids, there are no master race pc players - we are all just gamers.
 
2012-09-13 11:40:00 AM
Meh console players can enjoy themselves all they want I'm counting down the days until Total War: Rome 2 comes out.
 
2012-09-13 11:40:41 AM

frepnog: Straight to doom: frepnog: Straight to doom: frepnog: Straight to doom: Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!

They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry

That's like saying Mac OS and Linux are the same.

Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming and make gamers look like elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690 worthless.

EA on the other hand uses business ethics that makes Nigerian Royalty scammers blush.

while PC gamers may be a bit "elite" acting..... it IS pc gamers that get the real advances in gaming done. no pc gamers - no advancement in hardware.

Um, no. Hardware would advance even if PC gaming died. Have you looked at what the next gen console projected Specs are? They're pretty close to a Mid to high grade PC of today. So while it'd be a little slower we'd still have development.

The only reason I can think of anything causing a delay in hardware development is if the industry took a massive blow, and I mean something big like an E.T. occurring.



keep telling yourself that granny needs a quad core with a gt800 to check her emails.

/without gaming, pc hardware didn't need to get much more powerful than a single core P4.

What? I use an AMD 3500 and an Nvidia 7300 GTS and I can play TF2

What world do you live in?

/Sorry for double post.

not sure what your point is. yes, my own pc is an amd black from like 4 years ago with a gt550 video card and everything runs great. Doesn't mean that Skyrim with some hi-res mods couldn't look just damned amazing, tho if I had some more current hardware.

newer stuff coming out is getting amazing however, and it is ALL due to gaming.


My point is that your saying your "Granny" needs a quad core processor and a GT 800 to read email, I find that ridiculous. My statement of how I used a MUCH lower spec PC and I can run TF2 is a counter point to disprove your assertion. Therefore I find your statement questionable. Now you're breaking off into some weird schtick about needing newer hardware.
 
2012-09-13 11:41:32 AM

Straight to doom: Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming...


Straight to doom: I'm not saying that, but I'll take a 12 year old screaming over me killing him in BF3 over a PC Gamer ranting on about how MODS R BEST THING EVURZ.


sprawl15: Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up. How about instead of ten thousand mods to put big titted underage Asian girls into Skyrim, PC gamers figure out a way to have a solid, dependable community like on XBox Live?


These comments make me wonder if I've somehow slipped into some parallel universe. I don't see how any rational gamer from my universe could hold these opinions.
 
2012-09-13 11:43:14 AM

Fish in a Barrel: Straight to doom: Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming...

Straight to doom: I'm not saying that, but I'll take a 12 year old screaming over me killing him in BF3 over a PC Gamer ranting on about how MODS R BEST THING EVURZ.

sprawl15: Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up. How about instead of ten thousand mods to put big titted underage Asian girls into Skyrim, PC gamers figure out a way to have a solid, dependable community like on XBox Live?

These comments make me wonder if I've somehow slipped into some parallel universe. I don't see how any rational gamer from my universe could hold these opinions.


XBL isn't perfect but it's far more tolerable than listening to people having a pissing contest over tech specs.
 
2012-09-13 11:43:43 AM

sprawl15: How about instead of ten thousand mods to put big titted underage Asian girls into Skyrim, PC gamers figure out a way to have a solid, dependable community like on XBox Live?


Don't feel too smug about your "solid, dependable community".

http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/harassment

Note that for each example (0:50 seconds in), that "solid, dependable" member of your community had full rating stars.

"The sexual harassment is part of the culture. If you remove that from the fighting game community, it's not the fighting game community... it doesn't make sense to have that attitude. These things have been established for years." - Team Tekken coach Aris Bakhtanians

/ I'll keep my mods, thanks.
// Teabagging didn't come from the PC community.
 
2012-09-13 11:48:47 AM

Straight to doom: Steam is far from perfect. Region locked coding, lack of good MAC support, Steams on form of DRM (To the point that when I had a good computer but with no Internet I couldn't play Fallout:NV)


Exactly. The only example of a 'solid PC community' is some DRM that they're forced to use to play their games. Not something that can compete with XBox Live or PSN.

Fish in a Barrel: I don't see how any rational gamer from my universe could hold these opinions.


Here's a very simple example. Every console is focused on gaming, so it ships with a brand new and interesting controller and has games' UIs specifically designed around the inputs (like the Modern Warfare series, or Oblivion). PC has never developed a specific controller, instead depending on a typewriter keyboard and mouse to be shoehorned into a game. I mean, look at the people complaining about Skyrim's UI - the only person they should be blaming are PC for not having a sensible input device. I'll admit that there are some good controllers for the PC, but those have been directly stolen from console controllers.

Push W to move forward? Why not push forward to move forward? It's not difficult.
 
2012-09-13 11:49:07 AM

sprawl15: Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up. How about instead of ten thousand mods to put big titted underage Asian girls into Skyrim, PC gamers figure out a way to have a solid, dependable community like on XBox Live?


Solid troll, bro. You didn't over reach, you hit a few key topics without going full retard... Very nice. 9/10. You'll catch a lot with that.
 
2012-09-13 11:49:22 AM

Straight to doom: frepnog: Straight to doom: frepnog: Straight to doom: frepnog: Straight to doom: Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!

They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry

That's like saying Mac OS and Linux are the same.

Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming and make gamers look like elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690 worthless.

EA on the other hand uses business ethics that makes Nigerian Royalty scammers blush.

while PC gamers may be a bit "elite" acting..... it IS pc gamers that get the real advances in gaming done. no pc gamers - no advancement in hardware.

Um, no. Hardware would advance even if PC gaming died. Have you looked at what the next gen console projected Specs are? They're pretty close to a Mid to high grade PC of today. So while it'd be a little slower we'd still have development.

The only reason I can think of anything causing a delay in hardware development is if the industry took a massive blow, and I mean something big like an E.T. occurring.



keep telling yourself that granny needs a quad core with a gt800 to check her emails.

/without gaming, pc hardware didn't need to get much more powerful than a single core P4.

What? I use an AMD 3500 and an Nvidia 7300 GTS and I can play TF2

What world do you live in?

/Sorry for double post.

not sure what your point is. yes, my own pc is an amd black from like 4 years ago with a gt550 video card and everything runs great. Doesn't mean that Skyrim with some hi-res mods couldn't look just damned amazing, tho if I had some more current hardware.

newer stuff coming out is getting amazing however, and it is ALL due to gaming.

My point is that your saying your "Granny" needs a quad core processor and a GT 800 to read email, I find that ridiculous. My statement of how I used a MUCH lower spec PC and I can run TF2 is a counter point to disprove your assertion. Therefore I find your statement questionable. Now you're breaking ...


media.rob.nu
 
2012-09-13 11:52:07 AM

sprawl15: Exactly. The only example of a 'solid PC community' is some DRM that they're forced to use to play their games. Not something that can compete with XBox Live or PSN.


Are you suggesting that the 360 and PS3 are DRM free?

/ Steam isn't an always-on DRM, btw.
 
2012-09-13 11:52:29 AM

sprawl15: Straight to doom: Steam is far from perfect. Region locked coding, lack of good MAC support, Steams on form of DRM (To the point that when I had a good computer but with no Internet I couldn't play Fallout:NV)

Exactly. The only example of a 'solid PC community' is some DRM that they're forced to use to play their games. Not something that can compete with XBox Live or PSN.

Fish in a Barrel: I don't see how any rational gamer from my universe could hold these opinions.

Here's a very simple example. Every console is focused on gaming, so it ships with a brand new and interesting controller and has games' UIs specifically designed around the inputs (like the Modern Warfare series, or Oblivion). PC has never developed a specific controller, instead depending on a typewriter keyboard and mouse to be shoehorned into a game. I mean, look at the people complaining about Skyrim's UI - the only person they should be blaming are PC for not having a sensible input device. I'll admit that there are some good controllers for the PC, but those have been directly stolen from console controllers.

Push W to move forward? Why not push forward to move forward? It's not difficult.


ask the people that OWN console players (who are using a controller) with a keyboard and mouse setup. no comparison. console players just can't hang.

come on, dude. arguing that controllers are superior to a kyb\ms setup is just stupid.
 
2012-09-13 11:54:19 AM
Wow, sprawl15 is trolling up a storm. You guys do realize you're being trolled, right? What a bunch of dorks...
 
2012-09-13 11:54:21 AM

Fish in a Barrel: Straight to doom: Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming...

Straight to doom: I'm not saying that, but I'll take a 12 year old screaming over me killing him in BF3 over a PC Gamer ranting on about how MODS R BEST THING EVURZ.

sprawl15: Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up. How about instead of ten thousand mods to put big titted underage Asian girls into Skyrim, PC gamers figure out a way to have a solid, dependable community like on XBox Live?

These comments make me wonder if I've somehow slipped into some parallel universe. I don't see how any rational gamer from my universe could hold these opinions.


They're just trolling.

/or *puts on tinfoil hat* they'e paid shills. *takes off hat*
 
2012-09-13 11:54:21 AM

Honest Bender: Solid troll, bro. You didn't over reach, you hit a few key topics without going full retard... Very nice. 9/10. You'll catch a lot with that.


sprawl15: I'll admit that there are some good controllers for the PC, but those have been directly stolen from console controllers.

He overreached, there.
 
2012-09-13 11:54:53 AM

MooseUpNorth: Straight to doom: Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming and make gamers look like elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690 worthless.

*shrug* My Oblivion (with 14+ gigs of mods) looks and plays better than console vanilla Skyrim. _My_ Skyrim (with 20+ gigs of mods) plays at 1600x1024, with 2048x2048 textures, and all other settings maxxed, and does it without so much as a stutter (lingering transition instabilities notwithstanding.) And that's with 2010 hardware, so there are better gaming rigs than mine out there. But yes, PCs and consoles are exactly the same and our play experiences are always directly comparable.

/ 2005-2006 hardware + lowest common denominator vanilla gameplay isn't worthless, but it is limiting.
// Not suggesting their attack on EA is right. Funny, hell yes.


I know you weren't speaking from the PC warrior POV, but there's also the time invested aspect and the "does texture resolution and 16x antialiasing matter to you"... for me, I like good looking games but I also like putting the disc in and playing since I don't have as much time as I used to for clearing drive space for install, tweaking settings if your PC can't handle max everything, the time it takes to search/vet mods if that's your thing, etc... in the early 2000s that was all great but now I like that my PS3 will get something running in 12 seconds without any effort. That is worth it enough to me that I don't care about those other things.

Skyrim is a bad example for me though because a) I haven't played an TES game and b) I've heard there are performance problems on consoles, which is obviously different than pure visuals. Getting a job in IT has ruined some of my hobbies for me, I used to love Unity and making little games for my friends but now when I get home the last thing I want to see is another computer screen. I don't even game on TV as much anymore because I value that time away from the screen more than when I was in school or whatever. So some of the joy of building a sexy PC and watching it scream on modern games is lost when it feels more like a chore than before.

Can't name too many games that are worth it for PS3 though if you have the option. Now that Dark Souls is on PC that's one of the finest experiences out there (too bad Demon Souls wont get same treatment). Uncharted games are great and UC3 online is the only thing that keeps my PS3 chugging most of the time. I have a media server hooked up for emulation for my game collections pre-PS2 now, as my PC can't even run Dolphin/epsx2 at full speed.
 
2012-09-13 11:55:20 AM

Honest Bender: Wow, sprawl15 is trolling up a storm. You guys do realize you're being trolled, right? What a bunch of dorks...


Luckily, Fark is moddable.
 
2012-09-13 11:58:21 AM

abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!


If there's one company on earth that deserves... nay, needs... that sort of treatment, it's EA.
 
2012-09-13 11:58:58 AM

Electromax: I like good looking games but I also like putting the disc in and playing since I don't have as much time as I used to for clearing drive space for install


For kicks, I'm going to walk over to my xbox, turn it on, and time how long it takes my previously installed, currently loaded Forza 4 to start. I'll let you know the time when XBL is done updating. Again.
 
2012-09-13 12:00:51 PM

snake_beater: They're just trolling.


Yeah, that seems likely. I'm just used to trolls making some sense!
 
2012-09-13 12:04:32 PM

MooseUpNorth: For kicks, I'm going to walk over to my xbox, turn it on, and time how long it takes my previously installed, currently loaded Forza 4 to start. I'll let you know the time when XBL is done updating. Again.


Huh, sonavagun, that's the first time in a long, long time that I didn't have to sit through 30 minutes worth of XBL UI updating before I could play.

/ [Shakes tiny fist at Finagle's Law: "The perversity of the Universe tends towards a maximum."]
 
2012-09-13 12:05:24 PM

MooseUpNorth: Electromax: I like good looking games but I also like putting the disc in and playing since I don't have as much time as I used to for clearing drive space for install

For kicks, I'm going to walk over to my xbox, turn it on, and time how long it takes my previously installed, currently loaded Forza 4 to start. I'll let you know the time when XBL is done updating. Again.


Well maybe I was wrong about the PC warrior mentality. But PS3 updates are infrequent and take about 5 minutes and again, you can't argue that there's never some hands-on maintenance with a PC. My main point was, the amount of effort and such that I see now is less than I used to see on PC and that works for me. Sorry if your Xbox doesn't work for you or whatever, but that's the beauty of choice.
 
2012-09-13 12:05:42 PM

Fish in a Barrel: snake_beater: They're just trolling.

Yeah, that seems likely. I'm just used to trolls making some sense!


Well, their core argument makes sense ("I play the game the way it was meant to be played"), they just overdid the rhetoric.
 
2012-09-13 12:05:56 PM

Fish in a Barrel: Yeah, that seems likely. I'm just used to trolls making some sense!


It's sad that these assholes are out there, because this is a topic that really does need some honest, frank discussion to move forward.
 
2012-09-13 12:10:35 PM

frepnog: Straight to doom: Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!

They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry

That's like saying Mac OS and Linux are the same.

Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming and make gamers look like elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690 worthless.

EA on the other hand uses business ethics that makes Nigerian Royalty scammers blush.

while PC gamers may be a bit "elite" acting..... it IS pc gamers that get the real advances in gaming done. no pc gamers - no advancement in hardware.


Yes I'm sure without games there would never be any advancement in hardware. It's not like they use these computer thingamagigs for anything else like science, music, art, math, traveling in space, school, business, etc.

That being said I'm assuming you made that post to point out that yes PC gamers are total elitist idiots who think the entire computer world revolves around them.
 
2012-09-13 12:12:03 PM

MooseUpNorth: Fish in a Barrel: Yeah, that seems likely. I'm just used to trolls making some sense!

It's sad that these assholes are out there, because this is a topic that really does need some honest, frank discussion to move forward.


Other peoples opinions are different than mine! They must be trolls!!!11
 
2012-09-13 12:12:56 PM

Electromax: Well maybe I was wrong about the PC warrior mentality. But PS3 updates are infrequent and take about 5 minutes and again, you can't argue that there's never some hands-on maintenance with a PC. My main point was, the amount of effort and such that I see now is less than I used to see on PC and that works for me. Sorry if your Xbox doesn't work for you or whatever, but that's the beauty of choice.


Yeah, all of these things do take time (although Beth games are extremely easy and convenient to mod, which is their primary strength), and so choice is my point, too. Until recently, (steam, although one can deal with that and its patch system is unobtrusive when things work, and origin, oh origin you farking farkity farks), I could choose to update if/when it suited me. XBL pretty much forces you into them, regardless of whether or not you have the time and/or inclination to wait for it.
 
2012-09-13 12:13:47 PM

sprawl15: PC gamers figure out a way to have a solid, dependable community like on XBox Live?


Haha nice troll!
 
2012-09-13 12:14:58 PM

frepnog: sprawl15: Straight to doom: Steam is far from perfect. Region locked coding, lack of good MAC support, Steams on form of DRM (To the point that when I had a good computer but with no Internet I couldn't play Fallout:NV)

Exactly. The only example of a 'solid PC community' is some DRM that they're forced to use to play their games. Not something that can compete with XBox Live or PSN.

Fish in a Barrel: I don't see how any rational gamer from my universe could hold these opinions.

Here's a very simple example. Every console is focused on gaming, so it ships with a brand new and interesting controller and has games' UIs specifically designed around the inputs (like the Modern Warfare series, or Oblivion). PC has never developed a specific controller, instead depending on a typewriter keyboard and mouse to be shoehorned into a game. I mean, look at the people complaining about Skyrim's UI - the only person they should be blaming are PC for not having a sensible input device. I'll admit that there are some good controllers for the PC, but those have been directly stolen from console controllers.

Push W to move forward? Why not push forward to move forward? It's not difficult.

ask the people that OWN console players (who are using a controller) with a keyboard and mouse setup. no comparison. console players just can't hang.

come on, dude. arguing that controllers are superior to a kyb\ms setup is just stupid.


I thought the stupid part was assuming kyb and mouse is better for everything. I'll take a keyboard and mouse for an FPS or RTS game, but i'll take a controller for a 3rd person shooter or any game that has driving in it.
 
2012-09-13 12:16:42 PM

Russky: Yes I'm sure without games there would never be any advancement in hardware. It's not like they use these computer thingamagigs for anything else like science, music, art, math, traveling in space, school, business, etc.


My cheap little single core 1.6Ghz netbook can, and has done all of these things. (Well, not traveling in space, but it outspecs Curiosity on paper, so...) You don't need a gaming-class computer to do these things.
 
2012-09-13 12:17:47 PM

sprawl15: MooseUpNorth: *shrug* My Oblivion (with 14+ gigs of mods) looks and plays better than console vanilla Skyrim. _My_ Skyrim (with 20+ gigs of mods) plays at 1600x1024, with 2048x2048 textures, and all other settings maxxed, and does it without so much as a stutter (lingering transition instabilities notwithstanding.) And that's with 2010 hardware, so there are better gaming rigs than mine out there. But yes, PCs and consoles are exactly the same and our play experiences are always directly comparable.

Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up. How about instead of ten thousand mods to put big titted underage Asian girls into Skyrim, PC gamers figure out a way to have a solid, dependable community like on XBox Live?


I agree, by being able to modify games, we're removing the rights of the creator of the works to hold sway over how his/her works is used. Gamers do not purchase the rights to the content, merely the right to play it as is as per the terms of the author or owner. DRM might be harsh, but it's necessary, give the current climate of piracy. Without big budget studios, there can be no great games, and we have to play by their rules; it's their property, after all.
 
2012-09-13 12:18:36 PM

Russky: That being said I'm assuming you made that post to point out that yes PC gamers are total elitist idiots who think the entire computer world revolves around them.


a) I didn't bring this up.
b) Neither are console gamers. You'll just have to deal with it.
 
2012-09-13 12:20:39 PM

ThreadSinger: sprawl15: MooseUpNorth: *shrug* My Oblivion (with 14+ gigs of mods) looks and plays better than console vanilla Skyrim. _My_ Skyrim (with 20+ gigs of mods) plays at 1600x1024, with 2048x2048 textures, and all other settings maxxed, and does it without so much as a stutter (lingering transition instabilities notwithstanding.) And that's with 2010 hardware, so there are better gaming rigs than mine out there. But yes, PCs and consoles are exactly the same and our play experiences are always directly comparable.

Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up. How about instead of ten thousand mods to put big titted underage Asian girls into Skyrim, PC gamers figure out a way to have a solid, dependable community like on XBox Live?

I agree, by being able to modify games, we're removing the rights of the creator of the works to hold sway over how his/her works is used. Gamers do not purchase the rights to the content, merely the right to play it as is as per the terms of the author or owner. DRM might be harsh, but it's necessary, give the current climate of piracy. Without big budget studios, there can be no great games, and we have to play by their rules; it's their property, after all.


Finally, someone who gets it.
 
2012-09-13 12:20:51 PM

MooseUpNorth: Russky: Yes I'm sure without games there would never be any advancement in hardware. It's not like they use these computer thingamagigs for anything else like science, music, art, math, traveling in space, school, business, etc.

My cheap little single core 1.6Ghz netbook can, and has done all of these things. (Well, not traveling in space, but it outspecs Curiosity on paper, so...) You don't need a gaming-class computer to do these things.


Try doing a full studio recording and get back to me, You need some mega processing power. How about some serious artwork with flash or Photoshop? your 1.6 Ghz comp isn't going to get you anywhere, How about CGI?
 
2012-09-13 12:21:02 PM

frepnog: Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!

They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry

while EA may have done some questionable things.... they do ship on time. we are still waiting for Valve to release HL2: EP3.

some game publishers remind me of 90's image comics.... nothing gets shipped on time.


You are correct; Electronic Arts games are consistently released on time, regardless of the features that are ultimately scaled back or removed entirely to do so and regardless of how much the product suffers as a result of reduced development time and quality control.
 
2012-09-13 12:21:03 PM

frepnog: Straight to doom: frepnog: Straight to doom: frepnog: Straight to doom: Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!

They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry

That's like saying Mac OS and Linux are the same.

Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming and make gamers look like elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690 worthless.

EA on the other hand uses business ethics that makes Nigerian Royalty scammers blush.

while PC gamers may be a bit "elite" acting..... it IS pc gamers that get the real advances in gaming done. no pc gamers - no advancement in hardware.

Um, no. Hardware would advance even if PC gaming died. Have you looked at what the next gen console projected Specs are? They're pretty close to a Mid to high grade PC of today. So while it'd be a little slower we'd still have development.

The only reason I can think of anything causing a delay in hardware development is if the industry took a massive blow, and I mean something big like an E.T. occurring.



keep telling yourself that granny needs a quad core with a gt800 to check her emails.

/without gaming, pc hardware didn't need to get much more powerful than a single core P4.

What? I use an AMD 3500 and an Nvidia 7300 GTS and I can play TF2

What world do you live in?

/Sorry for double post.

not sure what your point is. yes, my own pc is an amd black from like 4 years ago with a gt550 video card and everything runs great. Doesn't mean that Skyrim with some hi-res mods couldn't look just damned amazing, tho if I had some more current hardware.

newer stuff coming out is getting amazing however, and it is ALL due to gaming.


Yep. Nobody is doing and digital video rendering. Considering an average phone can take HD video everyone would much rather create a YouTube clip in 5 days instead of advancing graphical cards and ram. Because that would only ever be used for games.

Guess the world doesn't need CAD either. Got enough structures built!

Probably just for games. Otherwise we can all just use an Amiga.
 
2012-09-13 12:21:22 PM
on the PC vs console debate... I'm going to have to say, to each their own

I use a PC. actually, heaven forbid, a laptop. i like portability. i don't care about max settings, and I even play online wirelessly. have kicked some butt on TF2.

/ 2008 Asus laptop with 4g ram and 1gb video card. plays skyrim and everything else. just at the lower settings (personally, i think those numbers are lies. my computer should be running much better). still better graphics and more reliable than the NES i grew up on.
// for whatever reason, i can no longer play with a controller. keyboard and mouse for life (or until a better alternative arrives).
 
2012-09-13 12:23:42 PM

MooseUpNorth: Russky: That being said I'm assuming you made that post to point out that yes PC gamers are total elitist idiots who think the entire computer world revolves around them.

a) I didn't bring this up.
b) Neither are console gamers. You'll just have to deal with it.


a) no shiat sherlock i was quoting someone else.
b) WTF does that have to do with anything? I was responding to some idiot saying there would be no advancements in hardware without PC gaming. Holy crap, PC fanboi much?
 
2012-09-13 12:25:15 PM

Phil Ken Sebben: Probably just for games. Otherwise we can all just use an Amiga.


You can have my Amiga when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers, you fascist.

/ I think CinemaWare's games were my favourite Amiga titles
// and they looked best on the Amiga
 
2012-09-13 12:26:00 PM

Russky: Try doing a full studio recording and get back to me, You need some mega processing power. How about some serious artwork with flash or Photoshop? your 1.6 Ghz comp isn't going to get you anywhere, How about CGI?


Yes, one size fits all / lowest common denominator doesn't really cut it. Sometimes it's necessary to specialize, augment, change... modify... for things to meet your needs. Thanks for making my point.
 
2012-09-13 12:29:26 PM

MooseUpNorth: Russky: Try doing a full studio recording and get back to me, You need some mega processing power. How about some serious artwork with flash or Photoshop? your 1.6 Ghz comp isn't going to get you anywhere, How about CGI?

Yes, one size fits all / lowest common denominator doesn't really cut it. Sometimes it's necessary to specialize, augment, change... modify... for things to meet your needs. Thanks for making my point.


Holy crap, you aren't following the conversation at all are you? I think you jumped into the wrong conversation, we were talking about how if it wasn't for PC games there would be no advancement in hardware and then you join with this drivel?

Are you arguing for the sake of arguing or do you actually believe there would be no advancements in hardware without PC gaming? You seem to be off on your own tangent here.
 
2012-09-13 12:31:59 PM
sprawl15:
Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up.

I couldn't agree more. The endless modding of PC games, sometimes to the point where the original art direction and story are barely recognizable, would be inconceivable with any other creative product. Modding Skyrim is like buying a Jane Austin novel as an e-book, and rewriting the story so that your friends and family members are major characters, and the heroine's name is "Pippi Longstockings" instead of "Jane Eyre". Even this business of being able to change the way your NBA players or Commander Shepherd looks borders on this type of compulsively destructive self-indulgence.

You can't have it both ways. Either video games are "art" and intended to be appreciated as the creators made them, or they're an artistically sterile throwaway product like a car which the buyer uses and abuses as they see fit, and then discards. The console platform with minimal customizability promotes the artistic outlook, while the PC platform reduces games to a meaningless bucket of bits that can be sorted through by an unappreciative user.
 
2012-09-13 12:38:16 PM

No Such Agency: sprawl15:
Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up.

I couldn't agree more. The endless modding of PC games, sometimes to the point where the original art direction and story are barely recognizable, would be inconceivable with any other creative product. Modding Skyrim is like buying a Jane Austin novel as an e-book, and rewriting the story so that your friends and family members are major characters, and the heroine's name is "Pippi Longstockings" instead of "Jane Eyre". Even this business of being able to change the way your NBA players or Commander Shepherd looks borders on this type of compulsively destructive self-indulgence.

You can't have it both ways. Either video games are "art" and intended to be appreciated as the creators made them, or they're an artistically sterile throwaway product like a car which the buyer uses and abuses as they see fit, and then discards. The console platform with minimal customizability promotes the artistic outlook, while the PC platform reduces games to a meaningless bucket of bits that can be sorted through by an unappreciative user.


So, Mass Effect 3's Star Child was okay?
 
2012-09-13 12:40:21 PM

Russky: Holy crap, you aren't following the conversation at all are you? I think you jumped into the wrong conversation, we were talking about how if it wasn't for PC games there would be no advancement in hardware and then you join with this drivel?


Okay, first, if you're going to keep being personally insulting, expect some of it back. No, I wouldn't suggest that there would be _no_ advancement in hardware without PC gaming. It wouldn't be fast. It wouldn't be much. And it would be entirely geared towards business needs (cheaper, physically smaller, incremental improvements, minimally user-servicable). If you need examples of this kind of progress, the closest analogs I can think of to this kind of industry is phones and enterprise pre-packaged databases (peoplesoft and similar.) The former is built on a replace-frequently but don't modify doctrine, the latter on a we'll-make-it-complex,-hire-consultants doctrine.

The PC line, however, has been at the very leading edge of hardware innovation (at least for things relating to gaming) since the commodore 64. The only credible competition for innovation being Nintendo, who've earned their kudos for taking good risks.
 
2012-09-13 12:40:53 PM
@DrRatchet:

You got a lot of nerve saying things like that on the internet, now come over here and take your beating like a man.
 
2012-09-13 12:41:53 PM

Straight to doom: No Such Agency: sprawl15:
Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up.

I couldn't agree more. The endless modding of PC games, sometimes to the point where the original art direction and story are barely recognizable, would be inconceivable with any other creative product. Modding Skyrim is like buying a Jane Austin novel as an e-book, and rewriting the story so that your friends and family members are major characters, and the heroine's name is "Pippi Longstockings" instead of "Jane Eyre". Even this business of being able to change the way your NBA players or Commander Shepherd looks borders on this type of compulsively destructive self-indulgence.

You can't have it both ways. Either video games are "art" and intended to be appreciated as the creators made them, or they're an artistically sterile throwaway product like a car which the buyer uses and abuses as they see fit, and then discards. The console platform with minimal customizability promotes the artistic outlook, while the PC platform reduces games to a meaningless bucket of bits that can be sorted through by an unappreciative user.

So, Mass Effect 3's Star Child was okay?


If they want to give their game a muddled ending, that is their artistic choice.

They shouldn't be surprised when people begin to question their creative legitimacy, especially when it got ret conned it twice post release (Extended Cut / Leviathan). I would have been more happy if they made their statement (no matter how little sense it made) and stuck with it instead of trying to fix it because people biatched. That's what artistry is about - making a statement and sticking to it.
 
2012-09-13 12:45:40 PM

No Such Agency: sprawl15:
Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up.

I couldn't agree more. The endless modding of PC games, sometimes to the point where the original art direction and story are barely recognizable, would be inconceivable with any other creative product. Modding Skyrim is like buying a Jane Austin novel as an e-book, and rewriting the story so that your friends and family members are major characters, and the heroine's name is "Pippi Longstockings" instead of "Jane Eyre". Even this business of being able to change the way your NBA players or Commander Shepherd looks borders on this type of compulsively destructive self-indulgence.

You can't have it both ways. Either video games are "art" and intended to be appreciated as the creators made them, or they're an artistically sterile throwaway product like a car which the buyer uses and abuses as they see fit, and then discards. The console platform with minimal customizability promotes the artistic outlook, while the PC platform reduces games to a meaningless bucket of bits that can be sorted through by an unappreciative user.


This is the dumbest farking thing I've read today. You are aware that Bethesda gives out the tools for and encourages modding, right?
 
2012-09-13 12:49:18 PM
Naughty Valve fans, that's a stretch.
 
2012-09-13 12:49:38 PM

frepnog: Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!
They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry
while EA may have done some questionable things.... they do ship on time

but require a gig of patches to run properly or are horrible console ports . we are still waiting for Valve to release HL2: EP3.
some game publishers remind me of 90's image comics.... nothing gets shipped on time.



I'll take a late game working on day one or real game play innovation over meeting an arbitrary time table any day of the week.

/Take your time Valve, cause I know when Ep3 ships, it'll be good.
 
2012-09-13 12:53:23 PM
My Xbox has never gotten a virus. I win.
 
2012-09-13 12:54:08 PM
Console, pc..I play both. I like both. I'm a gamer. I see the positive and negatives of both, and think all this hate from one side for the other is stupid and pointless. To paraphrase one of my all time favorite sayings, "Do what you want and say (play) what you feel because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind" -Dr.Suess
 
2012-09-13 12:54:35 PM

Mentalpatient87:
This is the dumbest farking thing I've read today. You are aware that Bethesda gives out the tools for and encourages modding, right?


Yeah, I feel dumber for having read that. Mods don't just allow you to make changes to the game; you can effectively produce your own game based on the engine if you are skilled enough. Video games can still be art and still require bug fixes, input changes (i.e. changing the controls to what you are familiar with), changing the UI to handle the better input device (mouse & keyboard) of the pc vs a console. Hell, fan-fic, for better or worse, is little more than writing your own storylines as additional content, which is what mods allow you to do.

/No Mods = No CounterStrike or Day of Defeat, either
 
2012-09-13 12:57:42 PM

Droog8912: /No Mods = No CounterStrike or Day of Defeat, either


DayZ, brilliant in concept. From what I'm hearing, though (Yahtzee's review, for one example), it's being ruined by the usual community griefers. Kind of like Fark, actually.
 
2012-09-13 12:59:52 PM

Straight to doom: Um, no. Hardware would advance even if PC gaming died. Have you looked at what the next gen console projected Specs are? They're pretty close to a Mid to high grade PC of today. So while it'd be a little slower we'd still have development.


Have you looked at who's making the GPUs for the next gen consoles? Every single one of them is using an AMD GPU, IIRC. Sony was the last holdout making their own GPUs, but even they are sourcing them from AMD in the next go round, if the rumors are true. There's a reason that nobody can touch AMD and nVidia on the graphics front, and that's because they've been developing and refining their GPUs for years in the PC market. If they didn't have PC gamers to drive them to bigger and better things, they wouldn't have perfected the techniques to make those high-spec chips going into the next-gen consoles.
 
2012-09-13 01:02:37 PM

DrRatchet: Hentai is creepy? Try googling "futa".


i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-13 01:09:22 PM
I like how 4chan managed to convince everyone this was "random PC gamers/Valve fans"
 
2012-09-13 01:11:45 PM
After buying nhl13.. im in a hate ea kinda mood myself...
 
2012-09-13 01:16:04 PM

Droog8912: /No Mods = No CounterStrike or Day of Defeat, either


Or Team Fortress, Natural Selection, Gmod...

And saying the art of the game is ruined by mods is like saying the Mona Lisa isn't art because it has parodies.
 
2012-09-13 01:23:45 PM

Straight to doom: So, Mass Effect 3's Star Child was okay?


This is exactly the problem.

PC elitists are trying to objectify games, which are an entirely subjective experience. If you, personally, enjoy the content of a game, then you should have already paid for it. If you don't enjoy the content of a game, then you should have educated yourself before the purchase. People who have already purchased the game before complaining about it are like people who violate a EULA - you should have known what you were getting into before breaking the shrink wrap. It's not EA's fault that the PC gaming community decided to remain ignorant and then threw a tantrum when the ending didn't have an option to mod Shepard into a big titted teenage Asian girl.

Droog8912: Mods don't just allow you to make changes to the game; you can effectively produce your own game based on the engine if you are skilled enough.


Which is just a form of piracy. It's just a way to get around licensing the video game engine.
 
2012-09-13 01:25:26 PM

Icetech3: After buying nhl13.. im in a hate ea kinda mood myself...


last year's Madden. Rage.

and what happened to the burn out franchise dang nabit.
 
2012-09-13 01:29:42 PM
Mentalpatient87:
And saying the art of the game is ruined by mods is like saying the Mona Lisa isn't art because it has parodies.

Studio-approved modding of PC games is the equivalent of the public being allowed to paint over the original Mona Lisa because "every creative expression is equally legitimate". It's the ultimate devaluation of artistic skill and effort.

Mentalpatient87:
You are aware that Bethesda gives out the tools for and encourages modding, right?

I'm sure the digital artists and 3-D designers and writers who devise the original game have no say in how the final product is marketed, especially if the ability to desecrate their work is handed to the ignorant public by profit-minded suits.

Unless posters here are seriously suggesting that this kind of nonsense is equally legitimate to the amazing work that went into Skyrim's fully realized world?
 
2012-09-13 01:34:08 PM

No Such Agency: I'm sure the digital artists and 3-D designers and writers who devise the original game have no say in how the final product is marketed, especially if the ability to desecrate their work is handed to the ignorant public by profit-minded suits.


Remember how Portal was made by students modding Half Life 2. That was awesome.

Some people who create, realize they made a sand box and leave it to others to see what they can do with their creations. There is a difference between the story you created and the gaming engine. Some people aren't douchey enough to believe that others out there won't do something amazing with their engine.
 
2012-09-13 01:34:15 PM

No Such Agency: Unless posters here are seriously suggesting that this kind of nonsense is equally legitimate to the amazing work that went into Skyrim's fully realized world?


That was really stupid. How long does it take to do something like that? Why would you spend the time to make a stupid dancing bear? What's the point?
 
2012-09-13 01:35:12 PM

Electromax: MooseUpNorth: Straight to doom: Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming and make gamers look like elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690 worthless.

*shrug* My Oblivion (with 14+ gigs of mods) looks and plays better than console vanilla Skyrim. _My_ Skyrim (with 20+ gigs of mods) plays at 1600x1024, with 2048x2048 textures, and all other settings maxxed, and does it without so much as a stutter (lingering transition instabilities notwithstanding.) And that's with 2010 hardware, so there are better gaming rigs than mine out there. But yes, PCs and consoles are exactly the same and our play experiences are always directly comparable.

/ 2005-2006 hardware + lowest common denominator vanilla gameplay isn't worthless, but it is limiting.
// Not suggesting their attack on EA is right. Funny, hell yes.

I know you weren't speaking from the PC warrior POV, but there's also the time invested aspect and the "does texture resolution and 16x antialiasing matter to you"... for me, I like good looking games but I also like putting the disc in and playing since I don't have as much time as I used to for clearing drive space for install, tweaking settings if your PC can't handle max everything, the time it takes to search/vet mods if that's your thing, etc... in the early 2000s that was all great but now I like that my PS3 will get something running in 12 seconds without any effort. That is worth it enough to me that I don't care about those other things.


Steam can have something running in less than 12 seconds. All I do is click Play and the game launches. No looking for "where did I put the case" or "omg why did my kids break the disc".

Most computers come with 500GB or 1TB hard drives these days. Are you saying that (on average) you have about ~20 games that take 25GB each for 500GB? As noted elsewhere in this thread, even an expansive and modded out game like Skyrim is only 20GB -- most are significantly less. Heck, 3GB drives can be had for $130 these days. If you fill up that drive with games and you play every single one of them, I seriously suggest you put the controller down and do something else for a while.

LOL, "the time it takes to search / vet mods" is the same amount of time you'd apply into "search / vet" games. Even then, people (with more time then you) tell you of cool mods... or if you're a social reject, Steam Workshop or most mod sites' rating systems even takes care of that for you.

Most high end games will also autodetect what your capabilities are and configure itself accordingly, so again, not sure what you're talking about here. A lot of them will also have presets that literally take 5 seconds to change, even if the autodetect fails.

Incidentally, why are you on Fark comments if you hate looking at a screen? lol
 
2012-09-13 01:42:08 PM

No Such Agency: Studio-approved modding of PC games is the equivalent of the public being allowed to paint over the original Mona Lisa because "every creative expression is equally legitimate". It's the ultimate devaluation of artistic skill and effort.


So, vanilla Skyrim doesn't exist anymore? The dancing lute bear is an official spell? You can't play Skyrim without the mods you so hate? No? It's all still there, just like the Mona Lisa is still there? Then I guess your point is invalid as well as stupid.

No Such Agency: Unless posters here are seriously suggesting that this kind of nonsense is equally legitimate to the amazing work that went into Skyrim's fully realized world?


Nobody's saying it's anywhere near as artistically legitimate. I'm just saying it's not affecting the merit of the original game at all. See, it's optional. You don't have to see it. You can have your pristine, unmodded Skyrim, and I can put in a mod that shuts the NPCs up in Whiterun unless I talk to them.
 
2012-09-13 01:44:16 PM

No Such Agency: Unless posters here are seriously suggesting that this kind of nonsense is equally legitimate to the amazing work that went into Skyrim's fully realized world?


For every silly parody/proof of concept mod, there are hundreds of high quality realism mods. Like these, all of which currently appear on the Top 25 most endorsed in the last two weeks list.

skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.
Player headtracking.
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.
Project Reality - Climates....
Better Vampires.
Skyrim HD - 2K Textures.

Etc. Etc. Etc.
 
2012-09-13 01:48:16 PM
Consoles are for children and the simple minded.

Nothing screams "gas station attendant for life" like console suckers. True pawns of MS and Sony.
 
2012-09-13 01:53:14 PM

DrRatchet: Hentai is creepy? Try googling "futa".


Better than kupo

/freaky
 
2012-09-13 01:56:40 PM

MooseUpNorth: Like these, all of which currently appear on the Top 25 most endorsed in the last two weeks list.


What?! Bug fixes and more variety to weather?! You're ruining the art! WHIIIIINGE!
 
2012-09-13 01:58:38 PM

No Such Agency: Mentalpatient87:
And saying the art of the game is ruined by mods is like saying the Mona Lisa isn't art because it has parodies.

Studio-approved modding of PC games is the equivalent of the public being allowed to paint over the original Mona Lisa because "every creative expression is equally legitimate". It's the ultimate devaluation of artistic skill and effort.


You can't be serious.

No matter how much fans mod the game, the original still exists in unaltered form somewhere. It is precisely nothing like "the public being allowed to paint over the original Mona Lisa". A better analogy might be painting over a print of the Mona Lisa, or remixing a song.
 
2012-09-13 01:59:18 PM

PapaChester: Consoles are for children and the simple minded.

Nothing screams "gas station attendant for life" like console suckers. True pawns of MS and Sony.


Oh, you burger flippers think you're so great.
 
2012-09-13 02:00:38 PM

SleepingEye: Electromax: MooseUpNorth: Straight to doom: Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming and make gamers look like elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690 worthless.

*shrug* My Oblivion (with 14+ gigs of mods) looks and plays better than console vanilla Skyrim. _My_ Skyrim (with 20+ gigs of mods) plays at 1600x1024, with 2048x2048 textures, and all other settings maxxed, and does it without so much as a stutter (lingering transition instabilities notwithstanding.) And that's with 2010 hardware, so there are better gaming rigs than mine out there. But yes, PCs and consoles are exactly the same and our play experiences are always directly comparable.

/ 2005-2006 hardware + lowest common denominator vanilla gameplay isn't worthless, but it is limiting.
// Not suggesting their attack on EA is right. Funny, hell yes.

I know you weren't speaking from the PC warrior POV, but there's also the time invested aspect and the "does texture resolution and 16x antialiasing matter to you"... for me, I like good looking games but I also like putting the disc in and playing since I don't have as much time as I used to for clearing drive space for install, tweaking settings if your PC can't handle max everything, the time it takes to search/vet mods if that's your thing, etc... in the early 2000s that was all great but now I like that my PS3 will get something running in 12 seconds without any effort. That is worth it enough to me that I don't care about those other things.

Steam can have something running in less than 12 seconds. All I do is click Play and the game launches. No looking for "where did I put the case" or "omg why did my kids break the disc".

Most computers come with 500GB or 1TB hard drives these days. Are you saying that (on average) you have about ~20 games that take 25GB each for 500GB? As noted elsewhere in this thread, even an expansive and modded out game like Skyrim is only 20GB -- most are significantly less. Heck ...


If you read carefully, you'll see that those are the things that annoyed me when I wanted to be a "PC gamer" back in 2000s. At that time I didn't have games autoconfigure for me but I used to have a tough time getting newer games to run smoothly because I didn't religiously update my hardware (which I can avoid with a console) without tweaking lots of options, the last one I remember this with is Half Life 2. Steam is all well and good but I don't have it installed or anything because buying a PS3 was more attractive to me than doing anything on a computer.

On average now I have 0 games on my PC. And I also said I hate looking at screens after work since I work on a PC... if you're in the US you might deduce that there's a good chance I'm at work still (of which Fark is a key element). Also weird that if you don't have friends to recommend video game mods for you you're a "social reject" though, I don't have any gamer friends because gaming is a small part of my hobbies and most are 1p games.

But all that aside, as I already said above these are all examples of things I like that work for me. Most of your points don't apply to my use case, you just put a lot of words in my mouth to argue against for no real reason as I already stated that PC gaming is cool and it isn't for me. I don't have a PC with a 500GB hard drive because I haven't bought one since a $400 laptop in 2006. I go to store, buy Portal 2, come home, put in PS3 and play. Someone else sits at PC, downloads Portal 2 on Steam, and play. We both enjoy our game, who gives a fark about someone else's rationale for doing so? Did my post offend you somehow?
 
2012-09-13 02:00:47 PM

PapaChester: Consoles are for children and the simple minded.

Nothing screams "gas station attendant for life" like console suckers. True pawns of MS and Sony.


thesignalinthenoise.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-13 02:01:05 PM
Why the fark did the article feature a picture of a farking MACBOOK if the article is about GAMING?
 
2012-09-13 02:02:18 PM

Electromax: And I also said I hate looking at screens after work since I work on a PC..


So, how do you play Xbox without a TV?
 
2012-09-13 02:05:16 PM

PapaChester: Consoles are for children and the simple minded.

Nothing screams "gas station attendant for life" like console suckers. True pawns of MS and Sony.


Noting screams "extremely low chance of ever copulating with a willing human being" like fanboyism.
 
2012-09-13 02:06:08 PM

Mentalpatient87: Electromax: And I also said I hate looking at screens after work since I work on a PC..

So, how do you play Xbox without a TV?


...well my original quote was giving that as a big reason why I don't game much anymore, but I think my initial comment has become some kind of poster for console elitism so I'll give up. Sorry guys, I'll run out and buy some Alienware ASAP and we can live in peace.
 
2012-09-13 02:09:22 PM

sprawl15:
Droog8912: Mods don't just allow you to make changes to the game; you can effectively produce your own game based on the engine if you are skilled enough.

Which is just a form of piracy. It's just a way to get around licensing the video game engine.


Wow, congratulations on making your argument even worse. You cannot sell or profit from mods as a 3rd party without opening yourself to legal issues...so no, it is nothing like piracy. Furthermore, if the mod is that good (DayZ, Counterstrike, Day of Defeat, etc) it will increase the sales of the base product.
 
2012-09-13 02:10:22 PM

Electromax: Mentalpatient87: Electromax: And I also said I hate looking at screens after work since I work on a PC..

So, how do you play Xbox without a TV?

...well my original quote was giving that as a big reason why I don't game much anymore, but I think my initial comment has become some kind of poster for console elitism so I'll give up. Sorry guys, I'll run out and buy some Alienware ASAP and we can live in peace.


Only posers buy stuff from alienware. Jesus man get with the times! You are not allowed to game any differently than we do and how dare you suggest it?
 
2012-09-13 02:10:31 PM

PapaChester: Consoles are for children and the simple minded.

Nothing screams "gas station attendant for life" like console suckers. True pawns of MS and Sony.


Interesting but once you move on from your 'career' at 7-11 you might find you can afford both a PC and a console.

It's kind of neat not being a total tool who thinks only PC's are for gaming or only consoles are for gaming, because then you can actually have a wider selection of games that aren't available on just that one format. Crazy i know.
 
2012-09-13 02:10:51 PM

HeartBurnKid: No Such Agency: Mentalpatient87:
And saying the art of the game is ruined by mods is like saying the Mona Lisa isn't art because it has parodies.

Studio-approved modding of PC games is the equivalent of the public being allowed to paint over the original Mona Lisa because "every creative expression is equally legitimate". It's the ultimate devaluation of artistic skill and effort.

You can't be serious.

No matter how much fans mod the game, the original still exists in unaltered form somewhere. It is precisely nothing like "the public being allowed to paint over the original Mona Lisa". A better analogy might be painting over a print of the Mona Lisa, or remixing a song.


Farking this, HOLY COW. I honestly thought he was trolling for the last 5 or so posts, and doing an amazing job at it.....but he's farking SERIOUS. He honestly believes modding is bad somehow. That games are an artistic expression that should never, ever be tampered with for your own enjoyment. That 25 gigs of mods dramatically improving your gameplay experience in an otherwise rushed, somewhat incomplete game is BAD. What your smoking.....I want none of it good sir. I'll keep my mods and amazing PC gaming. Dota 2/CS:GO for life.
 
2012-09-13 02:11:27 PM

Electromax: Mentalpatient87: Electromax: And I also said I hate looking at screens after work since I work on a PC..

So, how do you play Xbox without a TV?

...well my original quote was giving that as a big reason why I don't game much anymore, but I think my initial comment has become some kind of poster for console elitism so I'll give up. Sorry guys, I'll run out and buy some Alienware ASAP and we can live in peace.


Whoa whoa, calm down. (and don't buy Alienware, it's shiat) I was just pointing out that if you don't like screens, your TV is one. I like gaming, all gaming. You can prefer consoles all you want, it's no skin off my nose. I'm just saying that you should get better reasons.
 
2012-09-13 02:19:51 PM

Egoy3k: Electromax: Mentalpatient87: Electromax: And I also said I hate looking at screens after work since I work on a PC..

So, how do you play Xbox without a TV?

...well my original quote was giving that as a big reason why I don't game much anymore, but I think my initial comment has become some kind of poster for console elitism so I'll give up. Sorry guys, I'll run out and buy some Alienware ASAP and we can live in peace.

Only posers buy stuff from alienware. Jesus man get with the times! You are not allowed to game any differently than we do and how dare you suggest it?


I owned an Alienware before it was owned by Dell
 
2012-09-13 02:20:43 PM

Mentalpatient87: Whoa whoa, calm down. (and don't buy Alienware, it's shiat) I was just pointing out that if you don't like screens, your TV is one. I like gaming, all gaming. You can prefer consoles all you want, it's no skin off my nose. I'm just saying that you should get better reasons.


It's Dell. You're doing a disservice to shiat.
 
2012-09-13 02:21:55 PM

Girion47: I owned an Alienware before it was owned by Dell


I suggest building it yourself. Just as good, less than half the price.
 
2012-09-13 02:22:38 PM

Mentalpatient87: Electromax: Mentalpatient87: Electromax: And I also said I hate looking at screens after work since I work on a PC..

So, how do you play Xbox without a TV?

...well my original quote was giving that as a big reason why I don't game much anymore, but I think my initial comment has become some kind of poster for console elitism so I'll give up. Sorry guys, I'll run out and buy some Alienware ASAP and we can live in peace.

Whoa whoa, calm down. (and don't buy Alienware, it's shiat) I was just pointing out that if you don't like screens, your TV is one. I like gaming, all gaming. You can prefer consoles all you want, it's no skin off my nose. I'm just saying that you should get better reasons.


Nah, I knew what you meant, Alienware thing was a joke. It isn't just gaming, I don't watch as much TV or even casual PC use anymore at home because it makes me feel like a slob after I've sat at my desk chair all day to go home and do basically the same thing, so I find myself trying to go outside/play with pets/go to gym/have a BBQ or something where I used to hit up some games. Enough to make me consider some night training for more hands-on career like carpentry (I did a bit of in HS) where, even if I made less money, it would provide better separation of interests.

I always wanted to be a game developer but was a bit disillusioned after applying/touring Volition and realizing that it wasn't what my younger self daydreamed it to be.
 
2012-09-13 02:23:11 PM
Ultimately, the point is, when The Game universe looks this amazing,

1.bp.blogspot.com 

and that's how I became the prince of a town called Bel Air.
 
2012-09-13 02:23:47 PM

Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!

They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry


Damn them for giving us incredibly popular games!!
 
2012-09-13 02:24:34 PM
Fark gamers are weird. Why do they have such intimate relationships with companies? What the hell has EA done? I have no idea. I buy Madden, I play Madden, relationship over. I don't scour the internet looking for stories of a business' bad dealings. If I did, well jeez, I guess Apple would be pretty horrible with all those wonderful Chinese working conditions. Actually, I'm pretty sure every business ever has some shady shiat that's not on the up and up. So what exactly has EA done? To me, they have published awesome games for 30 years starting with Bird vs. Dr. J one on one, to the Maddens and NHL games, to Road Rash, mutant league, Mass Effect, Rock Band, Battlefield...etc. etc. No, but all those games suck right? Calm down dorks, Gabe isn't some farking God, he LOVES MONEY!!! He did everything for money. He has more then you will ever have and could give a shiat if you live or die, only that you buy the next Valve release.
 
2012-09-13 02:26:27 PM
fark that site. I open the article to read it and I'm greated with an ad that pops up, blackens out the rest of the page, and doesn't give me the option to close it until 15 seconds later. I wish ass cancer on whoever programmed that abomination.
 
2012-09-13 02:27:36 PM

Electromax: I always wanted to be a game developer but was a bit disillusioned after applying/touring Volition and realizing that it wasn't what my younger self daydreamed it to be.


Yeah, I'm still holding tight to that dream... Have to move the hell away from this dead-end city, though.
 
2012-09-13 02:30:05 PM

MooseUpNorth: Girion47: I owned an Alienware before it was owned by Dell

I suggest building it yourself. Just as good, less than half the price.


I'm not building shiat, I gave up PC gaming when Activision ruined WoW. I hacked my Wii and I'm working through some SNES games that are still better than most of what's out there. I also downloaded around 8k scifi ebooks and just bought a pair of kayaks that I plan on using to get more fit. Bonus to this is, I can pirate less movies and TV because I don't have time to watch them. So fark game makers, fark DRM, and fark the MPAA, I'm living without them.
 
2012-09-13 02:33:41 PM
Came for hentai pics. Leaving disappointed.

/But I repeat myself like 3 times.
 
2012-09-13 03:02:52 PM

broktune: Fark gamers are weird. Why do they have such intimate relationships with companies? What the hell has EA done? I have no idea. I buy Madden, I play Madden, relationship over. I don't scour the internet looking for stories of a business' bad dealings. If I did, well jeez, I guess Apple would be pretty horrible with all those wonderful Chinese working conditions. Actually, I'm pretty sure every business ever has some shady shiat that's not on the up and up. So what exactly has EA done? To me, they have published awesome games for 30 years starting with Bird vs. Dr. J one on one, to the Maddens and NHL games, to Road Rash, mutant league, Mass Effect, Rock Band, Battlefield...etc. etc. No, but all those games suck right? Calm down dorks, Gabe isn't some farking God, he LOVES MONEY!!! He did everything for money. He has more then you will ever have and could give a shiat if you live or die, only that you buy the next Valve release.


There was a thread a day ago or two about how gabe didn't sell out to ea. he'd rather make sure franchises are quality and not quantity for annual profit. Ea will put out a new one on time every year but lacks consistent quality. They are a stereotypical business model whereas valve is a business based on consumer trust and product quality. Some Internet commentators are insensitive idiots, but it comes down to the fact that I feel like I've wasted money on ea games, but valve has always been a quality purchase.

Ea purchases studios just to turn a profit.
 
2012-09-13 03:09:39 PM

Honest Bender: Wow, sprawl15 is trolling up a storm. You guys do realize you're being trolled, right? What a bunch of dorks...


Look, its the go to response from someone that doesn't want to have a discussion. Just call them a troll.

/Not in this, just wanted to throw that in there.
 
2012-09-13 03:10:18 PM
I've got a 75% off coupon for Portal 2 that I'm going to be using today so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

/Then I'm going to sell Portal 2 for hats,lots and lots of hats.
 
2012-09-13 03:12:30 PM

thecpt: broktune: Fark gamers are weird. Why do they have such intimate relationships with companies? What the hell has EA done? I have no idea. I buy Madden, I play Madden, relationship over. I don't scour the internet looking for stories of a business' bad dealings. If I did, well jeez, I guess Apple would be pretty horrible with all those wonderful Chinese working conditions. Actually, I'm pretty sure every business ever has some shady shiat that's not on the up and up. So what exactly has EA done? To me, they have published awesome games for 30 years starting with Bird vs. Dr. J one on one, to the Maddens and NHL games, to Road Rash, mutant league, Mass Effect, Rock Band, Battlefield...etc. etc. No, but all those games suck right? Calm down dorks, Gabe isn't some farking God, he LOVES MONEY!!! He did everything for money. He has more then you will ever have and could give a shiat if you live or die, only that you buy the next Valve release.

There was a thread a day ago or two about how gabe didn't sell out to ea. he'd rather make sure franchises are quality and not quantity for annual profit. Ea will put out a new one on time every year but lacks consistent quality. They are a stereotypical business model whereas valve is a business based on consumer trust and product quality. Some Internet commentators are insensitive idiots, but it comes down to the fact that I feel like I've wasted money on ea games, but valve has always been a quality purchase.

Ea purchases studios just to turn a profit.


ME3 had many sucky things about it even if the game engine was polished. The real problem is that YOU PLAY MADDEN. Which tells me that you're a console gamer. Which to me, a confirmed PC gamer is like saying you're the spawn of evil. You don't even understand how much better the games could have been based on their past versions...the same goes for the dragon age series. EA puts the worst people in charge of some of its flagship games. There are a lot of articles out there about EA. You should read some of them.
 
2012-09-13 03:14:13 PM
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2012-09-13 03:15:18 PM

No Such Agency: Ultimately, the point is, when The Game universe looks this amazing,


LOL! Vanilla skyrim is... ok. Acceptable. Last time I got into the Skyrim mood, I ended up with about 60 mods installed. The majority of those were graphics related. Higher res textures, better bump maps, improved lighting and shadows, more realistic water, better weather, improved night sky, better plants...

Then there are the ones that really flesh out the towns and cities. You load those up and walk around for a few minutes and vanilla skyrim will suddenly feel empty and hollow.

Then there's the improved ambient sounds... Another great category for improving immersion. After that, most of my mods add more weapons across the board. Really makes the game feel bigger when not everyone has the same 3 weapons.

I prefer the dovakin hideout mod as far as homes go. It's way nicer than anything I've seen coming out of the latest DLC. It's great for a collector like me. And if that isn't enough for you, check out the Museum house mod.... Crazy!

But, ya. That, like, totally perverts the original work or something. Mods make the games we like BETTER!
 
2012-09-13 03:27:02 PM

Honest Bender: No Such Agency: Ultimately, the point is, when The Game universe looks this amazing,

LOL! Vanilla skyrim is... ok. Acceptable. Last time I got into the Skyrim mood, I ended up with about 60 mods installed. The majority of those were graphics related. Higher res textures, better bump maps, improved lighting and shadows, more realistic water, better weather, improved night sky, better plants...

Then there are the ones that really flesh out the towns and cities. You load those up and walk around for a few minutes and vanilla skyrim will suddenly feel empty and hollow.

Then there's the improved ambient sounds... Another great category for improving immersion. After that, most of my mods add more weapons across the board. Really makes the game feel bigger when not everyone has the same 3 weapons.

I prefer the dovakin hideout mod as far as homes go. It's way nicer than anything I've seen coming out of the latest DLC. It's great for a collector like me. And if that isn't enough for you, check out the Museum house mod.... Crazy!

But, ya. That, like, totally perverts the original work or something. Mods make the games we like BETTER!


I will give you that the graphics pack I downloaded for Dwarf Fortress made it more playable.
 
2012-09-13 03:31:11 PM

TDBoedy: ME3 had many sucky things about it even if the game engine was polished. The real problem is that YOU PLAY MADDEN. Which tells me that you're a console gamer. Which to me, a confirmed PC gamer is like saying you're the spawn of evil. You don't even understand how much better the games could have been based on their past versions...the same goes for the dragon age series. EA puts the worst people in charge of some of its flagship games. There are a lot of articles out there about EA. You should read some of them.


wut? Why can't I play both? Why don't I know quality when I see it? Why is it wrong that I want to sit on a couch and play a game on a console with free connectivity to friends, and other games I want to sit only two feet away from a monitor? EA's executive decisions to buy franchises and make them churn out a yearly product has lead to failures. Thats what I said. ME's creative decisions were done in house, not by EA. And here's my favorite part. The part that let me have a happy gaming year: I liked ME3. Nobody else can get over it. It makes me so happy.

Its like we agree, but you felt like trying to belittle me anyways. I'm missing something.

Also why I said much earlier that last year's madden sucked and I missed quality burnout games.
 
2012-09-13 03:40:58 PM

Nick Spiceyweiner: Honest Bender: Wow, sprawl15 is trolling up a storm. You guys do realize you're being trolled, right? What a bunch of dorks...

Look, its the go to response from someone that doesn't want to have a discussion. Just call them a troll.

/Not in this, just wanted to throw that in there.


While your point is valid, the fact that the argument in question is using more rhetoric than a political attack ad is enough for most guys to just tune out and yell "GTFO troll".

Yuri Futanari: DrRatchet: Hentai is creepy? Try googling "futa".

[i.imgur.com image 850x878]


I knew you'd show up sooner or later.
 
2012-09-13 03:47:23 PM

sprawl15: ThreadSinger: sprawl15: MooseUpNorth: *shrug* My Oblivion (with 14+ gigs of mods) looks and plays better than console vanilla Skyrim. _My_ Skyrim (with 20+ gigs of mods) plays at 1600x1024, with 2048x2048 textures, and all other settings maxxed, and does it without so much as a stutter (lingering transition instabilities notwithstanding.) And that's with 2010 hardware, so there are better gaming rigs than mine out there. But yes, PCs and consoles are exactly the same and our play experiences are always directly comparable.

Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up. How about instead of ten thousand mods to put big titted underage Asian girls into Skyrim, PC gamers figure out a way to have a solid, dependable community like on XBox Live?

I agree, by being able to modify games, we're removing the rights of the creator of the works to hold sway over how his/her works is used. Gamers do not purchase the rights to the content, merely the right to play it as is as per the terms of the author or owner. DRM might be harsh, but it's necessary, give the current climate of piracy. Without big budget studios, there can be no great games, and we have to play by their rules; it's their property, after all.

Finally, someone who gets it.


I am with you, friend. Many a night have I argued in defense of Ubisoft for this very reason.
 
2012-09-13 04:02:10 PM

thecpt: TDBoedy: ME3 had many sucky things about it even if the game engine was polished. The real problem is that YOU PLAY MADDEN. Which tells me that you're a console gamer. Which to me, a confirmed PC gamer is like saying you're the spawn of evil. You don't even understand how much better the games could have been based on their past versions...the same goes for the dragon age series. EA puts the worst people in charge of some of its flagship games. There are a lot of articles out there about EA. You should read some of them.

wut? Why can't I play both? Why don't I know quality when I see it? Why is it wrong that I want to sit on a couch and play a game on a console with free connectivity to friends, and other games I want to sit only two feet away from a monitor? EA's executive decisions to buy franchises and make them churn out a yearly product has lead to failures. Thats what I said. ME's creative decisions were done in house, not by EA. And here's my favorite part. The part that let me have a happy gaming year: I liked ME3. Nobody else can get over it. It makes me so happy.

Its like we agree, but you felt like trying to belittle me anyways. I'm missing something.

Also why I said much earlier that last year's madden sucked and I missed quality burnout games.


I play SWTOR (and find it fun!) with my co workers and Madden (and find it equally fun!) with old college friends. I often have in the same evening gone from an RTS to playing my league match for the week. I think people liks us confuse "Master Race" PC gamers, i've tried to wrap my head around why but i've realized it's not worth the effort to figure out why they have such hate for us because of what we enjoy doing.

/tl;dr
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-13 04:42:19 PM
img145.imageshack.us
This chick is riding a bear in the PC version of Skyrim,
your argument against modding is invalid.
 

This is a link to the full 5760x1080 screen shot that was cropped from, the PC platform can do some amazing things that the weak-ass consoles simply can't. Even the next-gen consoles are sporting last year's lower-mid range video cards.
 
2012-09-13 04:52:00 PM

BumpInTheNight: [img145.imageshack.us image 425x455]
This chick is riding a bear in the PC version of Skyrim,
your argument against modding is invalid. 

This is a link to the full 5760x1080 screen shot that was cropped from, the PC platform can do some amazing things that the weak-ass consoles simply can't. Even the next-gen consoles are sporting last year's lower-mid range video cards.


That's a nice story.

You know what consoles can do that PC's can't, play console exclusive titles.
You know what PC's can do that consoles can't, play PC exclusive titles.

Going 'yay team' because you own a piece of hardware is idiotic.
 
2012-09-13 04:52:24 PM

Expolaris: I play SWTOR (and find it fun!) with my co workers and Madden (and find it equally fun!) with old college friends. I often have in the same evening gone from an RTS to playing my league match for the week. I think people liks us confuse "Master Race" PC gamers, i've tried to wrap my head around why but i've realized it's not worth the effort to figure out why they have such hate for us because of what we enjoy doing.

/tl;dr


Ha, yeah I'll play rounds of Total War while pitching in The Show. Its maximized happiness (once I have a bag of mini cadbury eggs)
 
2012-09-13 05:08:52 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-13 05:19:30 PM

BumpInTheNight: This chick is riding a bear in the PC version of Skyrim,
your argument against modding is invalid.


One up'd!
 
2012-09-13 05:45:27 PM
Current-gen consoles are PCs. They're just purpose built with a proprietary OS. Yeah, you could draw a distinction when a console was a processor that was slogging through the ROM chip of a cartridge. Now both types of equipment have an OS even with no game loaded, persistent storage on the device, networking, HD video out (unless you're the Wii), etc. Hell, you can even check your e-mail on both. The only appreciable difference is that one is purpose built and nearly unupgradable.

Now, gamepad (or stick) vs. keyboard/mouse - that's the arena where you actually have some debate.

/Multiplayer FPS on a console is sadness
 
2012-09-13 05:55:43 PM

ThreadSinger: sprawl15: ThreadSinger: sprawl15: MooseUpNorth: *shrug* My Oblivion (with 14+ gigs of mods) looks and plays better than console vanilla Skyrim. _My_ Skyrim (with 20+ gigs of mods) plays at 1600x1024, with 2048x2048 textures, and all other settings maxxed, and does it without so much as a stutter (lingering transition instabilities notwithstanding.) And that's with 2010 hardware, so there are better gaming rigs than mine out there. But yes, PCs and consoles are exactly the same and our play experiences are always directly comparable.

Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up. How about instead of ten thousand mods to put big titted underage Asian girls into Skyrim, PC gamers figure out a way to have a solid, dependable community like on XBox Live?

I agree, by being able to modify games, we're removing the rights of the creator of the works to hold sway over how his/her works is used. Gamers do not purchase the rights to the content, merely the right to play it as is as per the terms of the author or owner. DRM might be harsh, but it's necessary, give the current climate of piracy. Without big budget studios, there can be no great games, and we have to play by their rules; it's their property, after all.

Finally, someone who gets it.

I am with you, friend. Many a night have I argued in defense of Ubisoft for this very reason.


What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
 
2012-09-13 06:08:46 PM

Straight to doom: frepnog: sprawl15: MooseUpNorth: *shrug* My Oblivion (with 14+ gigs of mods) looks and plays better than console vanilla Skyrim. _My_ Skyrim (with 20+ gigs of mods) plays at 1600x1024, with 2048x2048 textures, and all other settings maxxed, and does it without so much as a stutter (lingering transition instabilities notwithstanding.) And that's with 2010 hardware, so there are better gaming rigs than mine out there. But yes, PCs and consoles are exactly the same and our play experiences are always directly comparable.

Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up. How about instead of ten thousand mods to put big titted underage Asian girls into Skyrim, PC gamers figure out a way to have a solid, dependable community like on XBox Live?

STEAM.

/jesus, you are either trolling or just a moron.

Steam is far from perfect. Region locked coding, lack of good MAC support, Steams on form of DRM (To the point that when I had a good computer but with no Internet I couldn't play Fallout:NV)

Meanwhile on PSN and XBL I can play any game offline, not have to give a credit card and just use the pre paid cards. Plus the Party interface on XBL is so simple and quick I'll use that over a steam chat room.


XBL and PSN also have region locked coding (as does every other service of this type-because sometimes company A has rights to something in territory 1 but not territory 2). Mac Support on Steam is fine. Valve sells Steam prepaid cards at Gamestop. You get half a point for Steam's off-line mode, which basically requires you to be on-line when you switch it to off-line mode (which is a problem if your internet goes down suddenly), but almost every other point you made was wrong.
 
2012-09-13 06:13:32 PM

A Terrible Human: I've got a 75% off coupon for Portal 2 that I'm going to be using today so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

/Then I'm going to sell Portal 2 for hats,lots and lots of hats.


Good luck with that. Portal 2 is currently not worth very much on the TF2 trading circuit because everybody has one of those 75% off coupons (including myself), so it's now basically considered a $5 game. I believe they gave one to everybody who has Portal 2 already in their account (to encourage people to buy extra copies to give to their friends or trade).
 
2012-09-13 06:17:54 PM

Geotpf: XBL and PSN also have region locked coding (as does every other service of this type-because sometimes company A has rights to something in territory 1 but not territory 2). Mac Support on Steam is fine. Valve sells Steam prepaid cards at Gamestop. You get half a point for Steam's off-line mode, which basically requires you to be on-line when you switch it to off-line mode (which is a problem if your internet goes down suddenly), but almost every other point you made was wrong.


You're right, PSN, DLC, and I think savefiles are all locked. Fun fact though, every non-PSN PS3 game until this March wasn't region locked. The ability was there, but none of the publishers used it until Atlus embarked on their cunning plan of, "release the exact same game w/ multilanguage, but do it several months apart in different regions."
 
2012-09-13 06:19:27 PM

Dimensio: frepnog: Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!

They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry

while EA may have done some questionable things.... they do ship on time. we are still waiting for Valve to release HL2: EP3.

some game publishers remind me of 90's image comics.... nothing gets shipped on time.

You are correct; Electronic Arts games are consistently released on time, regardless of the features that are ultimately scaled back or removed entirely to do so and regardless of how much the product suffers as a result of reduced development time and quality control.


I much prefer games with reviews like 11 out 10 and "Best Game of All Time" (actual reviews of Half Life 1 and Half Life 2, respectively) that were released late than stuff released on time that sucks ass.
 
2012-09-13 07:27:37 PM

Russky: PapaChester: Consoles are for children and the simple minded.

Nothing screams "gas station attendant for life" like console suckers. True pawns of MS and Sony.

Interesting but once you move on from your 'career' at 7-11 you might find you can afford both a PC and a console.

It's kind of neat not being a total tool who thinks only PC's are for gaming or only consoles are for gaming, because then you can actually have a wider selection of games that aren't available on just that one format. Crazy i know.



Time to tell the fanboys:
stickerish.com
 
2012-09-13 08:49:34 PM

Russky: It's kind of neat not being a total tool who thinks only PC's are for gaming or only consoles are for gaming, because then you can actually have a wider selection of games that aren't available on just that one format. Crazy i know.


Of course not. Neither is for gaming. That's what the iPhone is for.

/ducks
 
2012-09-13 09:02:24 PM

Geotpf: Good luck with that. Portal 2 is currently not worth very much on the TF2 trading circuit because everybody has one of those 75% off coupons (including myself), so it's now basically considered a $5 game. I believe they gave one to everybody who has Portal 2 already in their account (to encourage people to buy extra copies to give to their friends or trade).


Thing is those coupons stop being good the 14th of this month so I'll just hold out a month or two and then bam hats ahoy. Also I've found my favorite weapon ever,the unarmed combat. Beating someone to death with it is just as satisfying and funny as doing it with the holy mackerel.
 
2012-09-13 10:41:55 PM

Russky: PapaChester: Consoles are for children and the simple minded.

Nothing screams "gas station attendant for life" like console suckers. True pawns of MS and Sony.

Interesting but once you move on from your 'career' at 7-11 you might find you can afford both a PC and a console.

It's kind of neat not being a total tool who thinks only PC's are for gaming or only consoles are for gaming, because then you can actually have a wider selection of games that aren't available on just that one format. Crazy i know.


Hush you! This is Fark, where you must pick 1 of 2 opposing sides and defend your side to the death regardless of how stupid you sound!
 
2012-09-14 12:36:17 AM
Stop arguing with the Great Unwashed Masses...


i2.photobucket.com

i2.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-14 12:55:45 AM

Gonad the Ballbarian: Stop arguing with the Great Unwashed Masses...


[i2.photobucket.com image 550x391]

[i2.photobucket.com image 300x250]


That second image is BULLSHIAT!

Consoles don't have anti-aliasing like that.
 
2012-09-14 02:54:22 AM

BumpInTheNight: [img145.imageshack.us image 425x455]
This chick is riding a bear in the PC version of Skyrim,
your argument against modding is invalid. 

This is a link to the full 5760x1080 screen shot that was cropped from, the PC platform can do some amazing things that the weak-ass consoles simply can't. Even the next-gen consoles are sporting last year's lower-mid range video cards.


I don't care what you say, no one can ride a Vaseline bear.
 
2012-09-14 07:10:07 AM
Wow. Up until now I was unaware that people have serious feels about mods. I never knew that.
 
2012-09-14 04:19:01 PM

Darquewillow Elventhing: Wow. Up until now I was unaware that people have serious feels about mods. I never knew that.


On the pro-'mods are possible' side its a huge advantage to a continued enjoyment of a game, Bethesda's continued support of opening their games up for modding has created a bountiful harvest of community support for their games. I'm thinking that without modding their prior titles would have fallen somewhat flat in face of the knock offs like Fable and Rage. I understand how not all games are suitable to open up like that but for sand-boxy games it's a gigantic plus. Just imagine if Rockstar opened up their games similarly, it'd be a field day of fun.
 
2012-09-14 04:36:36 PM

BumpInTheNight: Darquewillow Elventhing: Wow. Up until now I was unaware that people have serious feels about mods. I never knew that.

On the pro-'mods are possible' side its a huge advantage to a continued enjoyment of a game, Bethesda's continued support of opening their games up for modding has created a bountiful harvest of community support for their games.


yeah... i had my fill of fallout 3 and fallout new vegas until i found out that i could put fallout 3 into fallout new vegas. (fallout requiem for a capital wasteland mod, or something like that)

was really satisfying to go through fallout 3 with new vegas rules and gameplay and weapons. and then take dogmeat back to new vegas
 
2012-09-14 05:17:24 PM

BumpInTheNight: On the pro-'mods are possible' side its a huge advantage to a continued enjoyment of a game, Bethesda's continued support of opening their games up for modding has created a bountiful harvest of community support for their games. I'm thinking that without modding their prior titles would have fallen somewhat flat in face of the knock offs like Fable and Rage.


Bethesda could learn a lot about how to do a sandbox from the Fable series.
 
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