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2012-09-13 12:05:24 PM  

MooseUpNorth: Electromax: I like good looking games but I also like putting the disc in and playing since I don't have as much time as I used to for clearing drive space for install

For kicks, I'm going to walk over to my xbox, turn it on, and time how long it takes my previously installed, currently loaded Forza 4 to start. I'll let you know the time when XBL is done updating. Again.


Well maybe I was wrong about the PC warrior mentality. But PS3 updates are infrequent and take about 5 minutes and again, you can't argue that there's never some hands-on maintenance with a PC. My main point was, the amount of effort and such that I see now is less than I used to see on PC and that works for me. Sorry if your Xbox doesn't work for you or whatever, but that's the beauty of choice.
 
2012-09-13 12:05:42 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: snake_beater: They're just trolling.

Yeah, that seems likely. I'm just used to trolls making some sense!


Well, their core argument makes sense ("I play the game the way it was meant to be played"), they just overdid the rhetoric.
 
2012-09-13 12:05:56 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: Yeah, that seems likely. I'm just used to trolls making some sense!


It's sad that these assholes are out there, because this is a topic that really does need some honest, frank discussion to move forward.
 
2012-09-13 12:10:35 PM  

frepnog: Straight to doom: Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!

They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry

That's like saying Mac OS and Linux are the same.

Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming and make gamers look like elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690 worthless.

EA on the other hand uses business ethics that makes Nigerian Royalty scammers blush.

while PC gamers may be a bit "elite" acting..... it IS pc gamers that get the real advances in gaming done. no pc gamers - no advancement in hardware.


Yes I'm sure without games there would never be any advancement in hardware. It's not like they use these computer thingamagigs for anything else like science, music, art, math, traveling in space, school, business, etc.

That being said I'm assuming you made that post to point out that yes PC gamers are total elitist idiots who think the entire computer world revolves around them.
 
2012-09-13 12:12:03 PM  

MooseUpNorth: Fish in a Barrel: Yeah, that seems likely. I'm just used to trolls making some sense!

It's sad that these assholes are out there, because this is a topic that really does need some honest, frank discussion to move forward.


Other peoples opinions are different than mine! They must be trolls!!!11
 
2012-09-13 12:12:56 PM  

Electromax: Well maybe I was wrong about the PC warrior mentality. But PS3 updates are infrequent and take about 5 minutes and again, you can't argue that there's never some hands-on maintenance with a PC. My main point was, the amount of effort and such that I see now is less than I used to see on PC and that works for me. Sorry if your Xbox doesn't work for you or whatever, but that's the beauty of choice.


Yeah, all of these things do take time (although Beth games are extremely easy and convenient to mod, which is their primary strength), and so choice is my point, too. Until recently, (steam, although one can deal with that and its patch system is unobtrusive when things work, and origin, oh origin you farking farkity farks), I could choose to update if/when it suited me. XBL pretty much forces you into them, regardless of whether or not you have the time and/or inclination to wait for it.
 
2012-09-13 12:13:47 PM  

sprawl15: PC gamers figure out a way to have a solid, dependable community like on XBox Live?


Haha nice troll!
 
2012-09-13 12:14:58 PM  

frepnog: sprawl15: Straight to doom: Steam is far from perfect. Region locked coding, lack of good MAC support, Steams on form of DRM (To the point that when I had a good computer but with no Internet I couldn't play Fallout:NV)

Exactly. The only example of a 'solid PC community' is some DRM that they're forced to use to play their games. Not something that can compete with XBox Live or PSN.

Fish in a Barrel: I don't see how any rational gamer from my universe could hold these opinions.

Here's a very simple example. Every console is focused on gaming, so it ships with a brand new and interesting controller and has games' UIs specifically designed around the inputs (like the Modern Warfare series, or Oblivion). PC has never developed a specific controller, instead depending on a typewriter keyboard and mouse to be shoehorned into a game. I mean, look at the people complaining about Skyrim's UI - the only person they should be blaming are PC for not having a sensible input device. I'll admit that there are some good controllers for the PC, but those have been directly stolen from console controllers.

Push W to move forward? Why not push forward to move forward? It's not difficult.

ask the people that OWN console players (who are using a controller) with a keyboard and mouse setup. no comparison. console players just can't hang.

come on, dude. arguing that controllers are superior to a kyb\ms setup is just stupid.


I thought the stupid part was assuming kyb and mouse is better for everything. I'll take a keyboard and mouse for an FPS or RTS game, but i'll take a controller for a 3rd person shooter or any game that has driving in it.
 
2012-09-13 12:16:42 PM  

Russky: Yes I'm sure without games there would never be any advancement in hardware. It's not like they use these computer thingamagigs for anything else like science, music, art, math, traveling in space, school, business, etc.


My cheap little single core 1.6Ghz netbook can, and has done all of these things. (Well, not traveling in space, but it outspecs Curiosity on paper, so...) You don't need a gaming-class computer to do these things.
 
2012-09-13 12:17:47 PM  

sprawl15: MooseUpNorth: *shrug* My Oblivion (with 14+ gigs of mods) looks and plays better than console vanilla Skyrim. _My_ Skyrim (with 20+ gigs of mods) plays at 1600x1024, with 2048x2048 textures, and all other settings maxxed, and does it without so much as a stutter (lingering transition instabilities notwithstanding.) And that's with 2010 hardware, so there are better gaming rigs than mine out there. But yes, PCs and consoles are exactly the same and our play experiences are always directly comparable.

Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up. How about instead of ten thousand mods to put big titted underage Asian girls into Skyrim, PC gamers figure out a way to have a solid, dependable community like on XBox Live?


I agree, by being able to modify games, we're removing the rights of the creator of the works to hold sway over how his/her works is used. Gamers do not purchase the rights to the content, merely the right to play it as is as per the terms of the author or owner. DRM might be harsh, but it's necessary, give the current climate of piracy. Without big budget studios, there can be no great games, and we have to play by their rules; it's their property, after all.
 
2012-09-13 12:18:36 PM  

Russky: That being said I'm assuming you made that post to point out that yes PC gamers are total elitist idiots who think the entire computer world revolves around them.


a) I didn't bring this up.
b) Neither are console gamers. You'll just have to deal with it.
 
2012-09-13 12:20:39 PM  

ThreadSinger: sprawl15: MooseUpNorth: *shrug* My Oblivion (with 14+ gigs of mods) looks and plays better than console vanilla Skyrim. _My_ Skyrim (with 20+ gigs of mods) plays at 1600x1024, with 2048x2048 textures, and all other settings maxxed, and does it without so much as a stutter (lingering transition instabilities notwithstanding.) And that's with 2010 hardware, so there are better gaming rigs than mine out there. But yes, PCs and consoles are exactly the same and our play experiences are always directly comparable.

Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up. How about instead of ten thousand mods to put big titted underage Asian girls into Skyrim, PC gamers figure out a way to have a solid, dependable community like on XBox Live?

I agree, by being able to modify games, we're removing the rights of the creator of the works to hold sway over how his/her works is used. Gamers do not purchase the rights to the content, merely the right to play it as is as per the terms of the author or owner. DRM might be harsh, but it's necessary, give the current climate of piracy. Without big budget studios, there can be no great games, and we have to play by their rules; it's their property, after all.


Finally, someone who gets it.
 
2012-09-13 12:20:51 PM  

MooseUpNorth: Russky: Yes I'm sure without games there would never be any advancement in hardware. It's not like they use these computer thingamagigs for anything else like science, music, art, math, traveling in space, school, business, etc.

My cheap little single core 1.6Ghz netbook can, and has done all of these things. (Well, not traveling in space, but it outspecs Curiosity on paper, so...) You don't need a gaming-class computer to do these things.


Try doing a full studio recording and get back to me, You need some mega processing power. How about some serious artwork with flash or Photoshop? your 1.6 Ghz comp isn't going to get you anywhere, How about CGI?
 
2012-09-13 12:21:02 PM  

frepnog: Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!

They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry

while EA may have done some questionable things.... they do ship on time. we are still waiting for Valve to release HL2: EP3.

some game publishers remind me of 90's image comics.... nothing gets shipped on time.


You are correct; Electronic Arts games are consistently released on time, regardless of the features that are ultimately scaled back or removed entirely to do so and regardless of how much the product suffers as a result of reduced development time and quality control.
 
2012-09-13 12:21:03 PM  

frepnog: Straight to doom: frepnog: Straight to doom: frepnog: Straight to doom: Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!

They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry

That's like saying Mac OS and Linux are the same.

Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming and make gamers look like elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690 worthless.

EA on the other hand uses business ethics that makes Nigerian Royalty scammers blush.

while PC gamers may be a bit "elite" acting..... it IS pc gamers that get the real advances in gaming done. no pc gamers - no advancement in hardware.

Um, no. Hardware would advance even if PC gaming died. Have you looked at what the next gen console projected Specs are? They're pretty close to a Mid to high grade PC of today. So while it'd be a little slower we'd still have development.

The only reason I can think of anything causing a delay in hardware development is if the industry took a massive blow, and I mean something big like an E.T. occurring.



keep telling yourself that granny needs a quad core with a gt800 to check her emails.

/without gaming, pc hardware didn't need to get much more powerful than a single core P4.

What? I use an AMD 3500 and an Nvidia 7300 GTS and I can play TF2

What world do you live in?

/Sorry for double post.

not sure what your point is. yes, my own pc is an amd black from like 4 years ago with a gt550 video card and everything runs great. Doesn't mean that Skyrim with some hi-res mods couldn't look just damned amazing, tho if I had some more current hardware.

newer stuff coming out is getting amazing however, and it is ALL due to gaming.


Yep. Nobody is doing and digital video rendering. Considering an average phone can take HD video everyone would much rather create a YouTube clip in 5 days instead of advancing graphical cards and ram. Because that would only ever be used for games.

Guess the world doesn't need CAD either. Got enough structures built!

Probably just for games. Otherwise we can all just use an Amiga.
 
2012-09-13 12:21:22 PM  
on the PC vs console debate... I'm going to have to say, to each their own

I use a PC. actually, heaven forbid, a laptop. i like portability. i don't care about max settings, and I even play online wirelessly. have kicked some butt on TF2.

/ 2008 Asus laptop with 4g ram and 1gb video card. plays skyrim and everything else. just at the lower settings (personally, i think those numbers are lies. my computer should be running much better). still better graphics and more reliable than the NES i grew up on.
// for whatever reason, i can no longer play with a controller. keyboard and mouse for life (or until a better alternative arrives).
 
2012-09-13 12:23:42 PM  

MooseUpNorth: Russky: That being said I'm assuming you made that post to point out that yes PC gamers are total elitist idiots who think the entire computer world revolves around them.

a) I didn't bring this up.
b) Neither are console gamers. You'll just have to deal with it.


a) no shiat sherlock i was quoting someone else.
b) WTF does that have to do with anything? I was responding to some idiot saying there would be no advancements in hardware without PC gaming. Holy crap, PC fanboi much?
 
2012-09-13 12:25:15 PM  

Phil Ken Sebben: Probably just for games. Otherwise we can all just use an Amiga.


You can have my Amiga when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers, you fascist.

/ I think CinemaWare's games were my favourite Amiga titles
// and they looked best on the Amiga
 
2012-09-13 12:26:00 PM  

Russky: Try doing a full studio recording and get back to me, You need some mega processing power. How about some serious artwork with flash or Photoshop? your 1.6 Ghz comp isn't going to get you anywhere, How about CGI?


Yes, one size fits all / lowest common denominator doesn't really cut it. Sometimes it's necessary to specialize, augment, change... modify... for things to meet your needs. Thanks for making my point.
 
2012-09-13 12:29:26 PM  

MooseUpNorth: Russky: Try doing a full studio recording and get back to me, You need some mega processing power. How about some serious artwork with flash or Photoshop? your 1.6 Ghz comp isn't going to get you anywhere, How about CGI?

Yes, one size fits all / lowest common denominator doesn't really cut it. Sometimes it's necessary to specialize, augment, change... modify... for things to meet your needs. Thanks for making my point.


Holy crap, you aren't following the conversation at all are you? I think you jumped into the wrong conversation, we were talking about how if it wasn't for PC games there would be no advancement in hardware and then you join with this drivel?

Are you arguing for the sake of arguing or do you actually believe there would be no advancements in hardware without PC gaming? You seem to be off on your own tangent here.
 
2012-09-13 12:31:59 PM  
sprawl15:
Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up.

I couldn't agree more. The endless modding of PC games, sometimes to the point where the original art direction and story are barely recognizable, would be inconceivable with any other creative product. Modding Skyrim is like buying a Jane Austin novel as an e-book, and rewriting the story so that your friends and family members are major characters, and the heroine's name is "Pippi Longstockings" instead of "Jane Eyre". Even this business of being able to change the way your NBA players or Commander Shepherd looks borders on this type of compulsively destructive self-indulgence.

You can't have it both ways. Either video games are "art" and intended to be appreciated as the creators made them, or they're an artistically sterile throwaway product like a car which the buyer uses and abuses as they see fit, and then discards. The console platform with minimal customizability promotes the artistic outlook, while the PC platform reduces games to a meaningless bucket of bits that can be sorted through by an unappreciative user.
 
2012-09-13 12:38:16 PM  

No Such Agency: sprawl15:
Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up.

I couldn't agree more. The endless modding of PC games, sometimes to the point where the original art direction and story are barely recognizable, would be inconceivable with any other creative product. Modding Skyrim is like buying a Jane Austin novel as an e-book, and rewriting the story so that your friends and family members are major characters, and the heroine's name is "Pippi Longstockings" instead of "Jane Eyre". Even this business of being able to change the way your NBA players or Commander Shepherd looks borders on this type of compulsively destructive self-indulgence.

You can't have it both ways. Either video games are "art" and intended to be appreciated as the creators made them, or they're an artistically sterile throwaway product like a car which the buyer uses and abuses as they see fit, and then discards. The console platform with minimal customizability promotes the artistic outlook, while the PC platform reduces games to a meaningless bucket of bits that can be sorted through by an unappreciative user.


So, Mass Effect 3's Star Child was okay?
 
2012-09-13 12:40:21 PM  

Russky: Holy crap, you aren't following the conversation at all are you? I think you jumped into the wrong conversation, we were talking about how if it wasn't for PC games there would be no advancement in hardware and then you join with this drivel?


Okay, first, if you're going to keep being personally insulting, expect some of it back. No, I wouldn't suggest that there would be _no_ advancement in hardware without PC gaming. It wouldn't be fast. It wouldn't be much. And it would be entirely geared towards business needs (cheaper, physically smaller, incremental improvements, minimally user-servicable). If you need examples of this kind of progress, the closest analogs I can think of to this kind of industry is phones and enterprise pre-packaged databases (peoplesoft and similar.) The former is built on a replace-frequently but don't modify doctrine, the latter on a we'll-make-it-complex,-hire-consultants doctrine.

The PC line, however, has been at the very leading edge of hardware innovation (at least for things relating to gaming) since the commodore 64. The only credible competition for innovation being Nintendo, who've earned their kudos for taking good risks.
 
2012-09-13 12:40:53 PM  
@DrRatchet:

You got a lot of nerve saying things like that on the internet, now come over here and take your beating like a man.
 
2012-09-13 12:41:53 PM  

Straight to doom: No Such Agency: sprawl15:
Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up.

I couldn't agree more. The endless modding of PC games, sometimes to the point where the original art direction and story are barely recognizable, would be inconceivable with any other creative product. Modding Skyrim is like buying a Jane Austin novel as an e-book, and rewriting the story so that your friends and family members are major characters, and the heroine's name is "Pippi Longstockings" instead of "Jane Eyre". Even this business of being able to change the way your NBA players or Commander Shepherd looks borders on this type of compulsively destructive self-indulgence.

You can't have it both ways. Either video games are "art" and intended to be appreciated as the creators made them, or they're an artistically sterile throwaway product like a car which the buyer uses and abuses as they see fit, and then discards. The console platform with minimal customizability promotes the artistic outlook, while the PC platform reduces games to a meaningless bucket of bits that can be sorted through by an unappreciative user.

So, Mass Effect 3's Star Child was okay?


If they want to give their game a muddled ending, that is their artistic choice.

They shouldn't be surprised when people begin to question their creative legitimacy, especially when it got ret conned it twice post release (Extended Cut / Leviathan). I would have been more happy if they made their statement (no matter how little sense it made) and stuck with it instead of trying to fix it because people biatched. That's what artistry is about - making a statement and sticking to it.
 
2012-09-13 12:45:40 PM  

No Such Agency: sprawl15:
Mods are exactly what's wrong with PC gaming. The ability of the people who own and enjoy the game to change the experience to suit their tastes undermines the entire idea of gaming - the companies create a thing that is nominally a game for you to experience and you pay them for it. Very simple, and PC gamers have managed to fark even that up.

I couldn't agree more. The endless modding of PC games, sometimes to the point where the original art direction and story are barely recognizable, would be inconceivable with any other creative product. Modding Skyrim is like buying a Jane Austin novel as an e-book, and rewriting the story so that your friends and family members are major characters, and the heroine's name is "Pippi Longstockings" instead of "Jane Eyre". Even this business of being able to change the way your NBA players or Commander Shepherd looks borders on this type of compulsively destructive self-indulgence.

You can't have it both ways. Either video games are "art" and intended to be appreciated as the creators made them, or they're an artistically sterile throwaway product like a car which the buyer uses and abuses as they see fit, and then discards. The console platform with minimal customizability promotes the artistic outlook, while the PC platform reduces games to a meaningless bucket of bits that can be sorted through by an unappreciative user.


This is the dumbest farking thing I've read today. You are aware that Bethesda gives out the tools for and encourages modding, right?
 
2012-09-13 12:49:18 PM  
Naughty Valve fans, that's a stretch.
 
2012-09-13 12:49:38 PM  

frepnog: Girion47: abhorrent1: Stay classy, PC Gamers!
They're still classier than what EA has done to the gaming industry
while EA may have done some questionable things.... they do ship on time

but require a gig of patches to run properly or are horrible console ports . we are still waiting for Valve to release HL2: EP3.
some game publishers remind me of 90's image comics.... nothing gets shipped on time.



I'll take a late game working on day one or real game play innovation over meeting an arbitrary time table any day of the week.

/Take your time Valve, cause I know when Ep3 ships, it'll be good.
 
2012-09-13 12:53:23 PM  
My Xbox has never gotten a virus. I win.
 
2012-09-13 12:54:08 PM  
Console, pc..I play both. I like both. I'm a gamer. I see the positive and negatives of both, and think all this hate from one side for the other is stupid and pointless. To paraphrase one of my all time favorite sayings, "Do what you want and say (play) what you feel because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind" -Dr.Suess
 
2012-09-13 12:54:35 PM  

Mentalpatient87:
This is the dumbest farking thing I've read today. You are aware that Bethesda gives out the tools for and encourages modding, right?


Yeah, I feel dumber for having read that. Mods don't just allow you to make changes to the game; you can effectively produce your own game based on the engine if you are skilled enough. Video games can still be art and still require bug fixes, input changes (i.e. changing the controls to what you are familiar with), changing the UI to handle the better input device (mouse & keyboard) of the pc vs a console. Hell, fan-fic, for better or worse, is little more than writing your own storylines as additional content, which is what mods allow you to do.

/No Mods = No CounterStrike or Day of Defeat, either
 
2012-09-13 12:57:42 PM  

Droog8912: /No Mods = No CounterStrike or Day of Defeat, either


DayZ, brilliant in concept. From what I'm hearing, though (Yahtzee's review, for one example), it's being ruined by the usual community griefers. Kind of like Fark, actually.
 
2012-09-13 12:59:52 PM  

Straight to doom: Um, no. Hardware would advance even if PC gaming died. Have you looked at what the next gen console projected Specs are? They're pretty close to a Mid to high grade PC of today. So while it'd be a little slower we'd still have development.


Have you looked at who's making the GPUs for the next gen consoles? Every single one of them is using an AMD GPU, IIRC. Sony was the last holdout making their own GPUs, but even they are sourcing them from AMD in the next go round, if the rumors are true. There's a reason that nobody can touch AMD and nVidia on the graphics front, and that's because they've been developing and refining their GPUs for years in the PC market. If they didn't have PC gamers to drive them to bigger and better things, they wouldn't have perfected the techniques to make those high-spec chips going into the next-gen consoles.
 
2012-09-13 01:02:37 PM  

DrRatchet: Hentai is creepy? Try googling "futa".


i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-13 01:09:22 PM  
I like how 4chan managed to convince everyone this was "random PC gamers/Valve fans"
 
2012-09-13 01:11:45 PM  
After buying nhl13.. im in a hate ea kinda mood myself...
 
2012-09-13 01:16:04 PM  

Droog8912: /No Mods = No CounterStrike or Day of Defeat, either


Or Team Fortress, Natural Selection, Gmod...

And saying the art of the game is ruined by mods is like saying the Mona Lisa isn't art because it has parodies.
 
2012-09-13 01:23:45 PM  

Straight to doom: So, Mass Effect 3's Star Child was okay?


This is exactly the problem.

PC elitists are trying to objectify games, which are an entirely subjective experience. If you, personally, enjoy the content of a game, then you should have already paid for it. If you don't enjoy the content of a game, then you should have educated yourself before the purchase. People who have already purchased the game before complaining about it are like people who violate a EULA - you should have known what you were getting into before breaking the shrink wrap. It's not EA's fault that the PC gaming community decided to remain ignorant and then threw a tantrum when the ending didn't have an option to mod Shepard into a big titted teenage Asian girl.

Droog8912: Mods don't just allow you to make changes to the game; you can effectively produce your own game based on the engine if you are skilled enough.


Which is just a form of piracy. It's just a way to get around licensing the video game engine.
 
2012-09-13 01:25:26 PM  

Icetech3: After buying nhl13.. im in a hate ea kinda mood myself...


last year's Madden. Rage.

and what happened to the burn out franchise dang nabit.
 
2012-09-13 01:29:42 PM  
Mentalpatient87:
And saying the art of the game is ruined by mods is like saying the Mona Lisa isn't art because it has parodies.

Studio-approved modding of PC games is the equivalent of the public being allowed to paint over the original Mona Lisa because "every creative expression is equally legitimate". It's the ultimate devaluation of artistic skill and effort.

Mentalpatient87:
You are aware that Bethesda gives out the tools for and encourages modding, right?

I'm sure the digital artists and 3-D designers and writers who devise the original game have no say in how the final product is marketed, especially if the ability to desecrate their work is handed to the ignorant public by profit-minded suits.

Unless posters here are seriously suggesting that this kind of nonsense is equally legitimate to the amazing work that went into Skyrim's fully realized world?
 
2012-09-13 01:34:08 PM  

No Such Agency: I'm sure the digital artists and 3-D designers and writers who devise the original game have no say in how the final product is marketed, especially if the ability to desecrate their work is handed to the ignorant public by profit-minded suits.


Remember how Portal was made by students modding Half Life 2. That was awesome.

Some people who create, realize they made a sand box and leave it to others to see what they can do with their creations. There is a difference between the story you created and the gaming engine. Some people aren't douchey enough to believe that others out there won't do something amazing with their engine.
 
2012-09-13 01:34:15 PM  

No Such Agency: Unless posters here are seriously suggesting that this kind of nonsense is equally legitimate to the amazing work that went into Skyrim's fully realized world?


That was really stupid. How long does it take to do something like that? Why would you spend the time to make a stupid dancing bear? What's the point?
 
2012-09-13 01:35:12 PM  

Electromax: MooseUpNorth: Straight to doom: Frankly PC gamers are a bad influence on the social aspects of gaming and make gamers look like elitists' that find everything that isn't a GTX690 worthless.

*shrug* My Oblivion (with 14+ gigs of mods) looks and plays better than console vanilla Skyrim. _My_ Skyrim (with 20+ gigs of mods) plays at 1600x1024, with 2048x2048 textures, and all other settings maxxed, and does it without so much as a stutter (lingering transition instabilities notwithstanding.) And that's with 2010 hardware, so there are better gaming rigs than mine out there. But yes, PCs and consoles are exactly the same and our play experiences are always directly comparable.

/ 2005-2006 hardware + lowest common denominator vanilla gameplay isn't worthless, but it is limiting.
// Not suggesting their attack on EA is right. Funny, hell yes.

I know you weren't speaking from the PC warrior POV, but there's also the time invested aspect and the "does texture resolution and 16x antialiasing matter to you"... for me, I like good looking games but I also like putting the disc in and playing since I don't have as much time as I used to for clearing drive space for install, tweaking settings if your PC can't handle max everything, the time it takes to search/vet mods if that's your thing, etc... in the early 2000s that was all great but now I like that my PS3 will get something running in 12 seconds without any effort. That is worth it enough to me that I don't care about those other things.


Steam can have something running in less than 12 seconds. All I do is click Play and the game launches. No looking for "where did I put the case" or "omg why did my kids break the disc".

Most computers come with 500GB or 1TB hard drives these days. Are you saying that (on average) you have about ~20 games that take 25GB each for 500GB? As noted elsewhere in this thread, even an expansive and modded out game like Skyrim is only 20GB -- most are significantly less. Heck, 3GB drives can be had for $130 these days. If you fill up that drive with games and you play every single one of them, I seriously suggest you put the controller down and do something else for a while.

LOL, "the time it takes to search / vet mods" is the same amount of time you'd apply into "search / vet" games. Even then, people (with more time then you) tell you of cool mods... or if you're a social reject, Steam Workshop or most mod sites' rating systems even takes care of that for you.

Most high end games will also autodetect what your capabilities are and configure itself accordingly, so again, not sure what you're talking about here. A lot of them will also have presets that literally take 5 seconds to change, even if the autodetect fails.

Incidentally, why are you on Fark comments if you hate looking at a screen? lol
 
2012-09-13 01:42:08 PM  

No Such Agency: Studio-approved modding of PC games is the equivalent of the public being allowed to paint over the original Mona Lisa because "every creative expression is equally legitimate". It's the ultimate devaluation of artistic skill and effort.


So, vanilla Skyrim doesn't exist anymore? The dancing lute bear is an official spell? You can't play Skyrim without the mods you so hate? No? It's all still there, just like the Mona Lisa is still there? Then I guess your point is invalid as well as stupid.

No Such Agency: Unless posters here are seriously suggesting that this kind of nonsense is equally legitimate to the amazing work that went into Skyrim's fully realized world?


Nobody's saying it's anywhere near as artistically legitimate. I'm just saying it's not affecting the merit of the original game at all. See, it's optional. You don't have to see it. You can have your pristine, unmodded Skyrim, and I can put in a mod that shuts the NPCs up in Whiterun unless I talk to them.
 
2012-09-13 01:44:16 PM  

No Such Agency: Unless posters here are seriously suggesting that this kind of nonsense is equally legitimate to the amazing work that went into Skyrim's fully realized world?


For every silly parody/proof of concept mod, there are hundreds of high quality realism mods. Like these, all of which currently appear on the Top 25 most endorsed in the last two weeks list.

skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.
Player headtracking.
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.
Project Reality - Climates....
Better Vampires.
Skyrim HD - 2K Textures.

Etc. Etc. Etc.
 
2012-09-13 01:48:16 PM  
Consoles are for children and the simple minded.

Nothing screams "gas station attendant for life" like console suckers. True pawns of MS and Sony.
 
2012-09-13 01:53:14 PM  

DrRatchet: Hentai is creepy? Try googling "futa".


Better than kupo

/freaky
 
2012-09-13 01:56:40 PM  

MooseUpNorth: Like these, all of which currently appear on the Top 25 most endorsed in the last two weeks list.


What?! Bug fixes and more variety to weather?! You're ruining the art! WHIIIIINGE!
 
2012-09-13 01:58:38 PM  

No Such Agency: Mentalpatient87:
And saying the art of the game is ruined by mods is like saying the Mona Lisa isn't art because it has parodies.

Studio-approved modding of PC games is the equivalent of the public being allowed to paint over the original Mona Lisa because "every creative expression is equally legitimate". It's the ultimate devaluation of artistic skill and effort.


You can't be serious.

No matter how much fans mod the game, the original still exists in unaltered form somewhere. It is precisely nothing like "the public being allowed to paint over the original Mona Lisa". A better analogy might be painting over a print of the Mona Lisa, or remixing a song.
 
2012-09-13 01:59:18 PM  

PapaChester: Consoles are for children and the simple minded.

Nothing screams "gas station attendant for life" like console suckers. True pawns of MS and Sony.


Oh, you burger flippers think you're so great.
 
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