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2003-11-24 01:33:37 PM  
DaSeed, your argument makes sense and I agree, but your opening statement essentially corroborates my point- those breeds are more likely to assert dominance, via aggression. I guess we can agree that people don't take dog training seriously enough?
 
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2003-11-24 01:35:37 PM  
NAKEDMOLERAT: Wow that must have been heartwrenching. Unfortunately most owners can't make a decision like that. I grew up owning a great dane, sweet with the family but violent with other dogs. I knew it and acted accordingly. Now, I walk my dogs regularly at the dog fanciers park and am very wary of all pits............Pit bulls are a loaded gun, do dah, do dah.......
 
2003-11-24 01:36:50 PM  
I hate it when that happens.
 
2003-11-24 01:36:53 PM  
As a dog trainer I can't believe the stupidity I run into on a daily basis. And thats just the owners.

I never recommend off-leash walking for any dog, regardless of breed. Its an invitation to disaster.

Of course now that there are attorneys who specialize in just dog-bite cases its tough to get homeowners insurance if you own certain breeds of dogs.
 
2003-11-24 01:39:53 PM  
Thanks ad. It took me months to take her ashes out of my truck. Now they sit on my mantle. My dad keeps trying to get me to scatter them up in the mountains where they live but even a year later I can't do it.

But I have 3 wonderful rescue dogs at home that help make up for it. :)
 
2003-11-24 01:40:10 PM  
master_of_none

Agreed. Again, the vast majority of people who own Pits & Rotts shouldn't. They are not a dog for everybody. If one is not knowledgable or comfortable setting those boundaries, they should not have those dogs. The local Pit & Rott rescue organizations turn down most people who attempt to adopt from them. They just don't have the skills to deal with that kind of dog. I love Pits. But I won't own one because I have 2 cats that I love dearly. I'm sure there are many people who have Pits & small animals who co-exist peacefully. But I won't take that chance.
 
2003-11-24 01:40:59 PM  
Was he buggering WHILE coming back? Man, those Pit Bulls are pretty impressive.

I gotta say, these dogs are pretty incredible, it attacks and severly injures a horse. A HORSE folks. Then takes a .40 slug at close range and lives.

We should be training and sending these things to Tikrit. Instead of trying to bomb the suspected hideout of insurgents, just send about 5-6 of these farkers in and just walk away.
 
2003-11-24 01:50:09 PM  
Your pitbull might be the sweetest creature on the earth, but just watch one episode of the show "Animal Precinct" on Animal Planet and count how many pitbulls they rescue from dog fighting rings (and how many they have to put down) and you'll understand why Pit Bulls have a bad reputation.

A responsible dog owner takes into account the breed and nature of the beast and acts accordingly. Proper training and discipline is required for all dogs - it just varies according to breed and temperament.

A friend of mine had a rottweiler and put him through police training. That dog was the biggest scariest looking animal ever - but wouldn't make a move without his owners command. I'm sure a person could have beaten the dog with a stick and it would have stood there waiting for instructions. (Course then too, one word from the owner and it might have killed you. Probably would). The dog wouldn't eat anything - even treats - until his master gave the word. The woman eventually had 3 kids and the dog was their protector and part-time pony. A rare case but she was super diligent in training the dog and she never had any issues with it acting inappropriately.

I currently have two dogs that happen to be part chow - the father breed is unknown but thanks to the aggressive nature of Chows I can't get certain kinds of home owner insurance. But I'm also not stupid - these two mutts are the most lovable and affection creatures~ to me and my kids~ but I'm not letting them off leash anyplace, and I'm not letting strange kids rush up and pet them. People shouldnt do that with any dog, but more so if you are aware that the breed has an aggressive or defensive nature.
 
2003-11-24 01:52:04 PM  
I hate people who let their dogs off the leash in an area with leash laws. Especially since most of them do NOT have their dogs under control, almost all people who train their dog properly go to dog parks or something to let their dog run free, it's mostly the dogs which aren't hardly trained that are running around lose. And if you say something they get mad at you, too.
I *know* it's people who made them that way, but I hate dogs. I meet unleashed dogs that either snap at me or suddenly cross the bicycle path in front of me almost every day and I'm so fed up with it. Oh, yeah, and people who walk their dog on one of those thin, 50 foot, black leashes and don't care that they're walking on one side of the path and their dog on the other side. And that it's still half-dark outside so you don't see the damn line until you're tangled in it.
 
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2003-11-24 01:52:21 PM  
NAKEDMOLERAT: Yes, I just got a form from my insurance company (american family) that excluded some breeds. Sorry I can't remember which ones but I believe it is the usual suspects, chows, pits, rotties....I amazed that some people believe that they can undo hundreds of years of breeding just by being a "nice" person. I have owned a standard daschund (lived to eat and kill cats), Great dane (Loyal and very protective), Yellow lab (sweet, loving and liked to fish!) Old english sheepdog (again very loyal, not agressive towards any dog, clown!) now I have a small terrier mix, and a maltese mix, again very loyal and the terrier is the dominant dog of the entire dog park(yes, he is neutered) the maltese mis loves people even though he was severly abused whem I found him abandonded at the dog park at 5am. The lesson is they all act exactly as their breeding would indicate.
 
2003-11-24 01:52:33 PM  
All these are good reasons for adopting mutts. Why accept any of the idiosyncracies bred into dogs for ages. I'll admit, I grew up with pure-bred spaniels--sweet dogs but dumb as dirt. Labs are great, until they get hip displasia (sp) and are in pain for their remaining years. Some dogs are tempermental. Etc... My muttdog (dobie, hound, terrier mix of various sorts) is smart, friendly, and absolutely responsive to commands on or off leash (which for the record she's only ever off leash in my fenced yard or in large forrested trail areas). Save a life, adopt a mutt.
 
2003-11-24 01:53:53 PM  
tracytracy

I'm assuming your friend's Rott was going through Shutzhund training? When I get my Rott, I plan to compete in Shutzhund. I have a beautiful Chow in one of my training classes. I can't get near her owner. She has some fear aggression issues. It's sad & scary at the same time.
 
2003-11-24 01:55:06 PM  
My next door neighbor likes pits. But his is a failed line. These worthless, stupid gits are too dumb to train, and won't even attack the lambs that roam around on the property.

.
 
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2003-11-24 02:00:10 PM  
Didn't Miami/Dade county outlaw pits, is anyone from there and how is that working?
 
2003-11-24 02:03:15 PM  
DaSeed

I don't know what the training was called - but it was super amazing whatever it was. I was always very impressed whenever I saw the dog. The owner would come into the record store where I worked with the dog - off leash - the dog never budged from her side, would instantly sit each time the woman stopped. Never growled, never barked - just kept to heel the whole time.

It was funny - the owner was a little tiny korean woman but I could tell when she walked into the store because all the people parted like the Red Sea when they caught a glimpse of the huge dog at her side. Rightfully so. I'm pretty sure I never even tried to pet the thing :) But her Xmas card photos of her baby twins crawling over the thing with the goofy Santa's hat on his head were quite charming.

BE RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERS! is pretty much what I think this thread boils down to.
 
2003-11-24 02:05:19 PM  
Back when I was on the jousting team, there was a little house in the park where we had the pasture, and the son of one of the ladies who lived there liked to bring his pit bull and other dogs to visit Mom. The dog liked to "play" in the pasture with the jousting horses, wupset them and which he didn't discourage, despite our warnings. We tried to explain that our horses might decide "play" back, and that when he found his dog trampled into hamburger in the field, he shouldn't come crying to us.
 
2003-11-24 02:07:42 PM  
The dog's owner, whose name was not released, tried to intervene.

By protecting the owner, "responsible pet owners" are given a bad name.

Nail her to the wall.
 
2003-11-24 02:16:22 PM  
Only in GG park...


Wookster: Infrared camera pointed at car. cam connected to
computer which alerts you to motion on the hood of your
car. Fire a pellet straight up Kitty's Kazoo, and I guarantee they'll never piss there again. plus they jump
about four feet in the air when picked off in said manner. (I have three cats, none with pellets in 'em.)
 
TSD [TotalFark]
2003-11-24 02:17:28 PM  
I've had my pit for 5 years......he's on a leash when he's out of my yard and he gets jumped by other mutts when I walk him. All owners get the same choices....grab your dog or mine comes off the leash or I will pull my pistol and kill your animal. My pit doesn't know that he's a pit, he thinks he's just a goofy looking kid and that's how he acts. BUT make a move for any of my family and you will be counting limbs to see which ones need replaced.
 
2003-11-24 02:17:31 PM  
I can't wait for the day my dog dies. Finally I'll be able to leave the house for more than eight hours at a time. Dogs are fun for a while then they become like a deadbeat relative.
 
2003-11-24 02:17:52 PM  
"All these are good reasons for adopting mutts. Why accept any of the idiosyncracies bred into dogs for ages."

Don't forget that they can have the worst traits of their respective breed too.
But agreed, I will never own anything but a mutt now. They are generally smarter than either of the original breeds for some reason. usually
We've had pure-bred Cocker Spaniels in our family since the 40's,(2 generations) and they aren't very bright and the grooming that they need is beyond a pain in the ass. It's a second job.

I poked around a little bit, and pits have been bred for fighting/agression since the late 1600's.
 
2003-11-24 02:18:26 PM  
I own a goofy black lab. Sweet, dumb, playful...

But, he's just a dog, for cryin' out loud.

They're dumb beasts.

Any of them could snap at any time. It's their nature.
 
TSD [TotalFark]
2003-11-24 02:19:08 PM  
I wouldn't trade my dog for 90% of the assholes I encounter in a day. To say that a particular animal sucks is only a sign of your ignorance.
 
TSD [TotalFark]
2003-11-24 02:21:20 PM  
If you treat any dog badly you get a bad dog.....show him love and treat him good and you have a friend for life
 
2003-11-24 02:22:13 PM  
TSD: I wouldn't trade my dog for 100% of the assholes I meet every day.

Oh. You mean 90% of the people you meet are assholes?

Hmmmm.... I wonder who really is the asshole?

/ducks
 
2003-11-24 02:23:28 PM  
"he's on a leash when he's out of my yard and he gets jumped by other mutts when I walk him.......grab your dog or mine comes off the leash or I will pull my pistol and kill your animal. "

This is the only reason I've considered getting a gun.
the best was the boxer that attacked my dog in a park. I must have fractured its skull when it got kicked square in the head. The owner just about shiat his pants when he saw me do that and walked away speechless. I didn't even bother saying anything to him and went on my way. (too shooken up)
 
2003-11-24 02:23:30 PM  
It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.

/Naked Gun
 
2003-11-24 02:25:13 PM  
Thats why I work with dogs for a living.

I'll take a dog over 99.9% of the people I meet anyday.

Plus, despite the shedding and the poop it beats working with lawyers by miles! (ex-paralegal)
 
TSD [TotalFark]
2003-11-24 02:27:25 PM  
TSD: I wouldn't trade my dog for 100% of the assholes I meet every day.

Oh. You mean 90% of the people you meet are assholes?

Hmmmm.... I wonder who really is the asshole?


LB.....that would be anyone stupid enough to tease any dog and get upset when they get a response.....just a few posts ago I thought you were pretty cool............
 
2003-11-24 02:28:21 PM  
Dog owners should be 100% responsible for the actions of their dos, regardless of breed. Any damage or injuries by the dog should be treated as though the owner did them. In this case, the woman would be charged with assaulting the horse, possibly the cop, too.

I am a dog owner, and I *HATE* people who think a tough dog like a pit bull or rottweiler will help them with their inadequacies. I have a neighbor who informed me that "his dog would shake my dog like a rag". He was very proud of that fact.
 
TSD [TotalFark]
2003-11-24 02:29:44 PM  
You hit right on the head Phil Mc......that's what guns are for, not dogs....
 
2003-11-24 02:30:25 PM  
I love dogs. But gimmie a horse over a dog any day.
 
2003-11-24 02:35:07 PM  
Don't forget that they can have the worst traits of their respective breed too.
But agreed, I will never own anything but a mutt now. They are generally smarter than either of the original breeds for some reason. usually
We've had pure-bred Cocker Spaniels in our family since the 40's,(2 generations) and they aren't very bright and the grooming that they need is beyond a pain in the ass. It's a second job.


"We've had pure-bred Cocker Spaniels" That's the problem. any dog is smarter than a cocker! With Mutts you never know what you will get, they can be really good or really bad or anywhere in the middle. I'll put my German Shepherds intelligence up against any mutt any time...
 
2003-11-24 02:36:12 PM  
TSD:

eeeeeasy there tiger:
lets see...
You have a pit bull.
You have a gun.
You hate 90% of the people you see.
You would let your pit bull loose if someone lost control of their dog for a second.
You admit that this pit bull would rip limbs off people if you want it to.
Alternatively, you would SHOOT the offending dogs (or people if they mess with your family) with your gun.

....DON'T CALL ME FRANCIS!!!
 
2003-11-24 02:37:44 PM  
For those who don't want to carry a gun when walking their dog, there's a product called Direct Stop which is supposed to be pretty effective. It's a citronella spray. Pepper spray doesn't work b/c it can increase aggression.
 
2003-11-24 02:39:33 PM  
"he's on a leash when he's out of my yard and he gets jumped by other mutts when I walk him.......grab your dog or mine comes off the leash or I will pull my pistol and kill your animal. "

This is the only reason I've considered getting a gun.
the best was the boxer that attacked my dog in a park. I must have fractured its skull when it got kicked square in the head. The owner just about shiat his pants when he saw me do that and walked away speechless. I didn't even bother saying anything to him and went on my way.


You go around shooting dogs in public places you will land your ass in jail... All you need is a can of pepper spray or a stun gun....
 
2003-11-24 02:41:04 PM  
So if you have a mentally unstable child, but give it plenty of TLC, it will be a good person when it grows up?
 
TSD [TotalFark]
2003-11-24 02:41:06 PM  
TSD:

eeeeeasy there tiger:
lets see...
You have a pit bull.
You have a gun.
You hate 90% of the people you see.
You would let your pit bull loose if someone lost control of their dog for a second.
You admit that this pit bull would rip limbs off people if you want it to.
Alternatively, you would SHOOT the offending dogs (or people if they mess with your family) with your gun.

....DON'T CALL ME FRANCIS!!!

WW....hold on there....1) He won't attck if I tell him to....
2) He will defend the people that care for him.
3) I will NOT allow some overgrown mongrel to maul my pure bred and just stand there
4) Maybe 90% is a tad high and
5) Owning a few guns does not make you a bad person
 
2003-11-24 02:42:25 PM  
I guess what I meant was, can you guarantee that it will be a good person when it grows up?
 
2003-11-24 02:43:03 PM  
DaSeed, I'll look into that spray. Sounds like a much more reasonable alternative.

"You go around shooting dogs in public places you will land your ass in jail... "
That's why I don't have one, way too risky.
 
TSD [TotalFark]
2003-11-24 02:45:22 PM  
Mindark, can you gaurantee that a normal kid will be better? As long as you supervise your dog, he/she is in control. and too a few others, I thought of carrying spary but the sound isn't as kick-ass
 
2003-11-24 02:47:46 PM  
TSD, you hold a good point. I cannot guarantee a normal kid would grow up just fine. I suppose this gets into the whole "nature vs nurture" debate, and we will see no end. I, myself, lean more to nature, mainly because that's where your primal instincts lay.
 
2003-11-24 02:50:40 PM  
WW....hold on there....

1) He won't attck if I tell him to....


2) He will defend the people that care for him.

most good dogs will. Actually, that pit that attacked the horse was probably doing just that. The cop was yelling at her, and probably approaching at the same time.

3) I will NOT allow some overgrown mongrel to maul my pure bred and just stand there

The way you described your pooch, something tells me he's not gonna get mauled by any overgrown mongrel.

4) Maybe 90% is a tad high and
5) Owning a few guns does not make you a bad person

never said it did...but the attack dog/pistol packing/threats of torn limbs and shot dogs combo did come off as juuust a tad on the psycho line, no?
 
2003-11-24 02:56:47 PM  
Don't forget the cow. It jumped over the moon.
 
2003-11-24 03:00:18 PM  
This story is why I have a Newfoundland. I wanted a big scarey looking dog that is bred to be nice and friendly. She scares the crap out of people that dont know what type of dog she is, but I cant imagine what someone would have to do to set her off. I will admit if something ever did set her off it would be ugly.
 
TSD [TotalFark]
2003-11-24 03:02:07 PM  
WW....I concede that maybe my arguement was just a bit on the insane path....just trying to prove a point. And yes, my guy is the runt of his 6th generation litter, so he only comes in at @ 75lbs.....so two of the times he was jumped this fall were by bigger dogs...one a mixture of god knows what. The guy that witnessed the scene told the other owner to count her blessings that I didn't call the law because her dog would've took a dirt nap. He reminded her how much I love dogs.....even bad ones.
 
2003-11-24 03:03:36 PM  
Three letter phrases, are teh funny,

I got nothin'.
 
2003-11-24 03:21:06 PM  
I used to use the creed, "There are no bad dogs, just bad owners." Then my dog got attacked by a pitbull off leash, not once, but three times in the span of four years. He's a Golden Retriever, used to be great with other dogs and plenty friendly. Now he's aggresive towards just about all other dogs and I have to hold him tightly when walking. I don't blame him, I think he deserves to be freaked. So to hell with pitbulls and their owners. I don't care how sweet and loving you say they are. I can't believe it was a coincidence of bad ownership that led my dog to get attacked three times by pitbulls.
 
2003-11-24 03:43:54 PM  
I'm a dog lover, but let's perfectly honest here. Pits were BRED to kill other dogs. They were BRED to attack without provocation. They were BRED to be psychotic killing machines. It's nature, not nurture.

This lady needs to have her ass sued off. Pits are generally very friendly as puppies, which is misleading, because after they get closer to 2 yrs+ they get violent.

I *love* my German Shepherd (6 months old, best behaved puppy ive EVER SEEN), but if he attacked someone unprovoked I would have to shoot him.
 
2003-11-24 03:49:25 PM  
Geeze louise.

They are PIT bulls. A breed of dog that was bred through artificial selection to fight and kill other dogs in a fighting pit. The entire breed is the result of inbreeding the most agressive traits of the species to produce a killing machine that would slaughter all other dogs in the pit and thus make its owners lots of money. These dogs are mental and they're freaking huge!

Yes, the owners have a lot to do with the way a dog behaves but they can't escape their genetics. These arn't dogs that were designed to be cuddly little lap dogs and playthings for children. These are dogs that were designed to rip the throats out of other dogs.

For christ's sake. If you really feel the need to make you feel like you've got a bigger penis, then go out and buy a gun or an SUV.
 
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