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2012-09-13 12:19:45 AM
7 votes:
Let's not forget the REAL victims - white boys made uncomfortable by the truth.
2012-09-13 01:26:02 AM
2 votes:
'I'm going get hung.
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"You don't supposed to do the racial thing. I don't know what it means."
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2012-09-13 01:01:53 AM
2 votes:

skullkrusher: jso2897: Sleazy_as_Pie: So you lose tax exempt status, right? I can only hope.

Since they are endorsing no candidate or party - yeah, you can only hope.
Well, you could shiat in the other hand, and see which gets full first.

oooh, I think jso2897 figured out who they're supporting!


Why, the Illuminati, of course. Why else would I be supporting them?
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2012-09-13 01:00:35 AM
2 votes:
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2012-09-13 12:52:39 AM
2 votes:

The Bestest: The One True TheDavid: So what person or party do you think most blacks who are moved to vote by that sign will chose to vote for?

Did you seriously just post that without the slightest hint of irony?


Have some sympathy. He's been victimized by being reminded that the privileges he enjoys were tortured out of somebody else's hide - and he isn't man enough to face the truth.
Somebody should take down that mean old sign that is oppressing him.
2012-09-13 12:47:11 AM
2 votes:
The Bestest:

Uh no. If it encouraged voting for any specific issue, measure or person, that'd be one thing. It does not.

So what person or party do you think most blacks who are moved to vote by that sign will chose to vote for?

Can you imagine Clarence Thomas posting something like that?

It's implicitly partisan. And wrong. And as much a violation of the First Amendment principle as a Catholic priest urging people not to vote for the pro-abortion candidate.

But then praying and voting have the same lack of result so, like, whatever.

And by the way, Obama's administration is to the right of Nixon's. "Progressive" my ass. The reason it looks at all "liberal" is the Republicans are batshiat: it's the difference between friendly fascism and the raving scary kind, like Coke vs. Pepsi.
2012-09-13 12:26:57 AM
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: PreMortem: Okay, what party is wanting to do the enslaving and lynching?

Missing something here...

Republicans are racists and unless you vote Democrat, blacks will be enslaved and lynched again.


I disagree. Its black on black crime. The black church members want other black members to get lynched. The entire thing is sick.
2012-09-13 12:20:37 AM
2 votes:

Counter_Intelligent: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Joyce Hise, the president of nearby Discount Casket Sales, said she connected with the message, which spurred her to register people to vote at her business.

wha?

Well, SOMEONE'S gotta put them in coffins.


Well, SOMEONE'S gotta sale low priced caskets so these people. And by these people you know exactly what I mean.
2012-09-13 12:05:40 AM
2 votes:
Joyce Hise, the president of nearby Discount Casket Sales, said she connected with the message, which spurred her to register people to vote at her business.

wha?
2012-09-13 05:56:21 PM
1 votes:

clyph: Itstoearly: Saying that conservatives today want the same things as conservatives 120 years ago is mind bogglingly stupid.

The Know-Nothings of Lincoln's era are pretty much indistinguishable from today's Tea Party.

To quote Abe: "As a nation, we began by declaring that 'all men are created equal.' We now practically read it 'all men are created equal, except Negroes.' When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except Negroes and foreigners and Catholics.'"

Substitute 'homosexuals' for 'Negros' and it's pretty much spot-on for the teabaggers, and the only reason they don't openly hate Negros (besides Obama) is because they can't get away with doing so openly. In 155 years the only thing that's changed is which minority group they hate the most.


Goddamnit, does that mean I should stop making these homos pick my cotton?

Yeah, spot-on analogy, asshole.
2012-09-13 08:49:24 AM
1 votes:

JerkyMeat: As a certified extreme white boy, I am not offended in the least bit.


Brings back fond memories, does it?
2012-09-13 08:41:15 AM
1 votes:
When God bangs his head on his desk, rolls it back and forth, then debates whether or not to reach down and pick up a preacher in order to smack him around for a couple hours.. it's probably a bad idea.
2012-09-13 07:17:04 AM
1 votes:

Sleazy_as_Pie: So you lose tax exempt status, right? I can only hope.


No, because they're not supporting the (R).

An AME church I pass almost every day has a huge 'Vote Democratic' banner right in the front yard.
2012-09-13 04:40:33 AM
1 votes:
Discount Casket Sales

Someone actually named their business that.
2012-09-13 04:12:23 AM
1 votes:

HotWingAgenda: jso2897:IRS regulations are clear, and they don't care about those made-up rules you just pulled out of your ass.

fusillade762: Correct. Churches hold voter registration drives all the time. I'm personally not comfortable with it, but it's not illegal.

WMittensRomney: Or not.


I like these.

This is fun.

The Constitution can be fairly portrayed as a set of negative rights for the Government. It is not a list of things you, a church, or a company cannot do--it is a list of things the Government is forbidden to do to you. The Establishment Clause is so called because the government cannot "establish" or show preference for any religion. Only governments can violate constitutionally protected rights or liberties. It does not work the other way. Sorry.

What opponents of messages like this should cite, be they for Obama or against, is the 501c3 tax exemption, whereby a church could go right ahead and have a sign that violates the code BECAUSE IT IS CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED FREE SPEECH but they would be required to pay some other taxes.

Let us not go to the IRS, it is a silly place.

The sign clearly intends for viewers to be inspired to vote for Obama. I won't be voting for him, but I also think it is fine for the supporters to show their asses in such a ridiculous way. I display libertarian messages in my business, and nobody cries about the separation of business and state, except for some union guys. I don't have any special tax exemptions, but like a church, I am not forcing the people who come through my doors to vote one way or the other.

I think that the tax exemption requirements on churches is the thing that teeters on the edge of the constitutional razor in that it is too restrictive. The government is reducing the capability of a group or individual to engage in political speech based on a religion test. I would be in favor of all churches being allowed the same speech rights as individuals.

But hell, I would also be in favor of deleting the IRS.

"This is slavery, not to speak one's thought."
― Euripides
 

I have eaten at that diner. I worked at a store right by there. I don't remember the food, but I worked in that area for a couple of months and I only ate there once, so it must not have been anything to write home about. I have not been buried in any of that other lady's caskets.
2012-09-13 03:40:20 AM
1 votes:
Other pictures could have been put up, other words could have been said rather than have people think, 'I'm going get hung. I'm going to get lynched, if I don't vote,'" said Mary Bishop, who owns Mary's Seafood right across the street.


Goddamn Mary Bishop, you are stupid a fark.
2012-09-13 03:24:08 AM
1 votes:

clyph: The One True TheDavid: Oh, ad I was once almost beaten up for saying that the South had a right to secede: the Civil War was an illegal aggression against the South, unconstititional until after the North won and the Radical Reconstructionists got control of Congress and passed the 13th, 14th and 15 Amendments.

Nice revisionist history you got going there, Johnny Reb.

Article I section 8 of the Constitution explicitly grants Congress the power to suppress insurrection.

For your next trick, why don't you tell us how you know that the earth is flat?


Drop a ball. does it roll around the world?

Checkmate.
2012-09-13 03:22:29 AM
1 votes:

John_David_Stutts: Hanged not hung

/they said you was hung
//and they was right


This is a racism thread. You dont supposed to do the grammar thing here. I dont know what it means.
2012-09-13 02:34:07 AM
1 votes:
Goodnight, thread.
2012-09-13 02:31:06 AM
1 votes:

ArcadianRefugee: Sleazy_as_Pie: But they're still a church interjecting themselves into politics.

Voting is civics, not politics.


Civics is not religion. Except in a religious dictatorship like Iran.
2012-09-13 02:15:21 AM
1 votes:
The Bestest:

It is reminding people that they have a right that was hard-fought for and taken for granted.

It is not the business of a CHURCH to tell people how to behave POLITICALLY.

A Baptist church should say "Praise Jesus." Not "Vote."

Get it?
2012-09-13 02:11:51 AM
1 votes:

The Bestest: HotWingAgenda: It's specifically aimed at a religious faction, if you had bothered reading the article or my post. It's also aimed at a particular ethnic minority, as admitted by the person who put it up.

Once again, it is not advocating any particular issue or candidate. It is not AT ALL telling people what to vote FOR.


Once again, it's that a CHURCH made a POLITICAL statement.

Regardless of what the statement was.

It's the flip side of "In God We Trust" on money.
2012-09-13 02:09:00 AM
1 votes:

The Bestest: Sleazy_as_Pie:

To be fair, I don't think their point was wrong, regardless of how stupidly it was made. But they're still a church interjecting themselves into politics.

So yeah... Pay your taxes.

Just telling people to vote is not political.


So then telling people to accept Jesus is not religious, right? ("We didn't say which Jesus-accepting church they had to join, did we?")

Or maybe it would be perfectly okay with you if in his State of the Union address Romney said all non-Mormons are on the side of the Devil? And of course you can't allow Devil-worshippers any rights.

Oh and Bush as President should not have said "Islam is a religion of peace." Not because he was wrong but because he was President: it's not for him to make theological statements, nor to base public policy on them.
2012-09-13 02:01:35 AM
1 votes:
The Bestest:

OK, so encouraging people to vote, even if it is a specific group of people, despite not suggesting at all who/what to vote for, is political simply because that group tends to vote a certain way?

YES.

The curch did not encourage people to do something religious like praise Jesus, it encouraged then to vote, which is political.

An analogy would be Obama going on camera and urging everybody to get "saved" or convert to Islam or something: that is for a religious speaker to do, not the US President.

Voting is political, praising Jesus is religious.
2012-09-13 02:00:29 AM
1 votes:
Hanged not hung

/they said you was hung
//and they was right
2012-09-13 01:56:19 AM
1 votes:

jso2897: The Bestest: The One True TheDavid:

So what person or party do you think most blacks who are moved to vote by that sign will chose to vote for?

Did you seriously just post that without the slightest hint of irony?

Have some sympathy. He's been victimized by being reminded that the privileges he enjoys were tortured out of somebody else's hide - and he isn't man enough to face the truth.
Somebody should take down that mean old sign that is oppressing him.


You read me totally incorrectly. It's not that the sign is oppressing me: I agree with its sentiment, however harmless it might be. The problem I have is that it's on church property, in violation of the Establishment Clause.

This sign should be in a public park or school or in front of City Hall. Places, by the way, where the word "God' should never be invoked in an "official" way.

As for voting, I've already said I think it's as harmless as prayer.

Oh, ad I was once almost beaten up for saying that the South had a right to secede: the Civil War was an illegal aggression against the South, unconstititional until after the North won and the Radical Reconstructionists got control of Congress and passed the 13th, 14th and 15 Amendments.

The analogy I use is that going to war against the South for seceding was as wrong as pulling a gun on your wife because she wants to leave you: whether your wife had a good reason to leave you or not ain't the point, it's that she freely entered into a contract she is free to leave. And by pulling a gun on her you'd be showing her and everybody what a violent asshole you are and giving her a perfectly good reason to leave you.

This has nothing to do with slavery: the South did indeed secede to preserve slavery, slavery that was always wrong. Furthermore it took an unconstitutional and illegal civil war to end slavery, a result I can't argue with: it was a lesser evil than letting slavery continue.

This by the is where the analogy with marital breakup gets complicated: if your wife is leaving you to pimp your kids out to pedophiles then pulling a gun on her to stop her from taking them is less wrong than letting her take the kids with her. If you substitute "wife" for "Confederacy" and "kids" for "slaves" you might get my point.

I only wish that the South's insistence on preserving and spreading its "peculiar institution" had not pushed things to the point where the Civil War was necessary to end slavery -- and that the North had not let them keep pushing slavery on the rest of the country since the end of the Revolution.

The obvious post facto answer would have been for the antislavery forces in the North (and the South) to have stood up to the slaveowners decades before then, or better yet to have abolished slavery during our revolution from Britain.

It's too bad that the ante bellum "southern strategy" was to humor and "compromise" with the slave power until the chance for a peaceful solution was long gone. (You do know the history, right?)

Back to this thread: it's not blacks that oppress me, it's stupid people. And in today's America it's white people that, in quantity and quality, win the Stupidity Sweepstakes. Which is not to say that no black American can ever be stupid, only that it's not the stupidity of blacks that the USA is built on.

Like I said, in America the easiest way to cause a candidate to win is to tell white voters the other guy wants to benefit black Americans somehow. Even if whites will benefit more from the measure. Whites cut off our noses to spite the blacks: the anti-Obama crusade is a prime example of this. Regardless of what I think of the Obama team's policies (i.e. they're not socialist enough), it's not like they ever said "whites need not apply." 

But anyway.

Now that you've read this post you're going to start crowing that I said the USA should bring black slavery back, aren't you.
2012-09-13 01:44:29 AM
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: [boudicabpi.files.wordpress.com image 250x382]


That somehow evokes Yoda.
2012-09-13 01:41:25 AM
1 votes:
boudicabpi.files.wordpress.com
2012-09-13 01:39:00 AM
1 votes:

KrispyKritter: jso2897: Skyred: RandyJohnson: jso2897: Sleazy_as_Pie: So you lose tax exempt status, right? I can only hope.

Since they are endorsing no candidate or party - yeah, you can only hope.
Well, you could shiat in the other hand, and see which gets full first.

jso2897: Let's not forget the REAL victims - white boys made uncomfortable by the truth.

Two posts. Two minutes apart. I'm new here, but you might be a troll? I better not respond. Otherwise people might think I am a fool.

me thinks you found a troll

We are all trolls here, my friend.

speak for yourself. i'm a dooshbag.


There will always be a Douchebag on Fark. Give me a Sandwich and a Douchebag, and there is nothing I can't accomplish.
2012-09-13 01:36:03 AM
1 votes:

jso2897: Skyred: RandyJohnson: jso2897: Sleazy_as_Pie: So you lose tax exempt status, right? I can only hope.

Since they are endorsing no candidate or party - yeah, you can only hope.
Well, you could shiat in the other hand, and see which gets full first.

jso2897: Let's not forget the REAL victims - white boys made uncomfortable by the truth.

Two posts. Two minutes apart. I'm new here, but you might be a troll? I better not respond. Otherwise people might think I am a fool.

me thinks you found a troll

We are all trolls here, my friend.


speak for yourself. i'm a dooshbag.
2012-09-13 01:30:51 AM
1 votes:

CrispFlows: Using emotional appeal to cause action usually are not reliable, it's insulting since the argument implies that thinking should not be involved and the convincement is very short lived, especially once examined.

In other words, it backfires to unintended consequences.


On the contrary: emotional arguments work just dandy with certain type of personalities. A lot of people tend to make snap judgements and then employ strategic reasoning to justify their decisions. I also think you overestimate the number of people who *ever* examine their core beliefs in any meaningful way.


The One True TheDavid: it's the difference between friendly fascism and the raving scary kind, like Coke vs. Pepsi.


Wait... which is the scary kind? Coke or Pepsi? Where does Mountain Dew fall on the fascism spectrum?
2012-09-13 01:18:02 AM
1 votes:
Is there a Poe's law equivalent for tax exempt religious institutions?

I echo the earlier statements that I can't make heads or tails of this article. Is it that Romney will put "Y'all back in chains," or that Obama's economic policies will result in a hundred years of socialist slavery? I guess I should applaud the church for obeying the letter of the law, and not even hinting at which candidate is anti-slavery, but in general I'm just confused. Hopefully the pastor there is laughing his ass off at the trolling he pulled off.
2012-09-13 01:17:12 AM
1 votes:

Slam1263: Yeah, 'cause the Republicans started the KKK, my Democrat party boss told me so.


iaazathot: No, it was conservatives that started the KKK. It's just that the same conservative mindset happens to be held in the Republican party today.


Theseus called. He wants his ship back, if you've still got the same one. 

/Directed towards Slam1263
2012-09-13 01:11:38 AM
1 votes:
My great-great grandfather was hung for being a Confederate spy.Two of his brothers were tied up and shot
for being horse thieves.Does this mean I have to vote? And who for?
2012-09-13 01:10:30 AM
1 votes:

Pincy: The One True TheDavid: Did you just fall off the turnip truck? Do you think Black Americans are stupid enough intentionally vote against their own interests?

Well, to be fair, you could ask the same about poor White people in Red states.


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2012-09-13 01:04:20 AM
1 votes:

The One True TheDavid: Did you just fall off the turnip truck? Do you think Black Americans are stupid enough intentionally vote against their own interests?


Well, to be fair, you could ask the same about poor White people in Red states.
2012-09-13 01:03:24 AM
1 votes:

The Bestest: HotWingAgenda: jso2897: Sleazy_as_Pie: So you lose tax exempt status, right? I can only hope.

Since they are endorsing no candidate or party - yeah, you can only hope.
Well, you could shiat in the other hand, and see which gets full first.

It's a message from a religious faction to its constituency to vote in an upcoming election. That does cross the line to violating the establishment clause of the first amendment, especially since the government is subsidizing the property on which she posted the sign.

Uh no. If it encouraged voting for any specific issue, measure or person, that'd be one thing. It does not.


It's specifically aimed at a religious faction, if you had bothered reading the article or my post. It's also aimed at a particular ethnic minority, as admitted by the person who put it up.
2012-09-13 01:00:13 AM
1 votes:

The Bestest: The One True TheDavid:

So what person or party do you think most blacks who are moved to vote by that sign will chose to vote for?

Did you seriously just post that without the slightest hint of irony?


What's to be ironic about? Look at electoral history: which of the two major parties usually wins the Black vote these days? Which Presidential candidate do you expect most Blacks to vote for?

Did you just fall off the turnip truck? Do you think Black Americans are stupid enough intentionally vote against their own interests?

Voting stupid is a White people's problem. All most of my fellow pale people have to hear is "Black people will be better off if you vote for the other guy." That they'll gain too is hardly the point.
2012-09-13 12:58:24 AM
1 votes:

Skyred: jso2897: Skyred: Mrtraveler01: Skyred: iaazathot: Slam1263: Yeah, 'cause the Republicans started the KKK, my Democrat party boss told me so.

No, it was conservatives that started the KKK. It's just that the same conservative mindset happens to be held in the Republican party today.

BS, I don't know a single republican that sides with KKK mentality.

David Duke for starters...

maybe if you had his blond eyes blue hair you'd understand him

Yeah. He's a REAL victim.

What would this world be without the pure B/B? Those dirty minorities would take over and ruin everything


Fine, fine, then - make it a f**king diet Coke.
2012-09-13 12:57:25 AM
1 votes:
As a certified extreme white boy, I am not offended in the least bit.
2012-09-13 12:56:45 AM
1 votes:

jso2897: Sleazy_as_Pie: So you lose tax exempt status, right? I can only hope.

Since they are endorsing no candidate or party - yeah, you can only hope.
Well, you could shiat in the other hand, and see which gets full first.


oooh, I think jso2897 figured out who they're supporting!
2012-09-13 12:54:46 AM
1 votes:

jso2897: Skyred: Mrtraveler01: Skyred: iaazathot: Slam1263: Yeah, 'cause the Republicans started the KKK, my Democrat party boss told me so.

No, it was conservatives that started the KKK. It's just that the same conservative mindset happens to be held in the Republican party today.

BS, I don't know a single republican that sides with KKK mentality.

David Duke for starters...

maybe if you had his blond eyes blue hair you'd understand him

Yeah. He's a REAL victim.


What would this world be without the pure B/B? Those dirty minorities would take over and ruin everything
2012-09-13 12:47:41 AM
1 votes:

astroturd: Sachlpch: Using it to serve as a reminder that the african american community didn't always have the right to vote, and many perished fighting for that right. Kind of an off the beaten path approach to take to get there. Very effective to get people talking though.

Couldnt they add a woman in there to at least give it some black diversity?


You wouldn't want to get too carried away. Before you know it they'll want to get out of the kitchen.
2012-09-13 12:45:36 AM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Joyce Hise, the president of nearby Discount Casket Sales, said she connected with the message, which spurred her to register people to vote at her business.

wha?


They're voting in Democrat in Chicago, just like always.
2012-09-13 12:44:34 AM
1 votes:

Sachlpch: Using it to serve as a reminder that the african american community didn't always have the right to vote, and many perished fighting for that right. Kind of an off the beaten path approach to take to get there. Very effective to get people talking though.


Couldnt they add a woman in there to at least give it some black diversity?
2012-09-13 12:44:04 AM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Skyred: iaazathot: Slam1263: Yeah, 'cause the Republicans started the KKK, my Democrat party boss told me so.

No, it was conservatives that started the KKK. It's just that the same conservative mindset happens to be held in the Republican party today.

BS, I don't know a single republican that sides with KKK mentality.

David Duke for starters...


maybe if you had his blond eyes blue hair you'd understand him
2012-09-13 12:40:19 AM
1 votes:

Skyred: RandyJohnson: jso2897: Sleazy_as_Pie: So you lose tax exempt status, right? I can only hope.

Since they are endorsing no candidate or party - yeah, you can only hope.
Well, you could shiat in the other hand, and see which gets full first.

jso2897: Let's not forget the REAL victims - white boys made uncomfortable by the truth.

Two posts. Two minutes apart. I'm new here, but you might be a troll? I better not respond. Otherwise people might think I am a fool.

me thinks you found a troll


We are all trolls here, my friend.
2012-09-13 12:37:39 AM
1 votes:

Slam1263: Yeah, 'cause the Republicans started the KKK, my Democrat party boss told me so.


Farking Southern strategy, how does that work?

/GOP lost it's moral high ground when it came to race the moment they tried to court the "Southerner who was disgruntled with the Civil Rights Act" vote.
2012-09-13 12:37:03 AM
1 votes:
jso2897:

Let's not forget the REAL victims - white boys made uncomfortable by the truth.

This.

But it's still a church meddling in politics. If it's bad when white right-wing fundies do it then it's bad when black progressives do it.

Anyway it's not voting that ended slavery, it was the Civil War. And lynching was ended by the FBI, the same FBI that broke the Black Panthers. In all these cases these things happened because it was in the interest of the predominant sectors of the ruling classes, not the people of whatever color.

One retort to my "religion out of politics" stand is that voting and praying are of equal inefficacy. I have no answer to that.
2012-09-13 12:34:44 AM
1 votes:
I'm at a pizza hut
I'm at a taco bell

I'm at a combination pizza hut and taco bell
2012-09-13 12:31:46 AM
1 votes:
Yeah, 'cause the Republicans started the KKK, my Democrat party boss told me so.
2012-09-13 12:31:25 AM
1 votes:

jso2897: Sleazy_as_Pie: So you lose tax exempt status, right? I can only hope.

Since they are endorsing no candidate or party - yeah, you can only hope.
Well, you could shiat in the other hand, and see which gets full first.


It's a message from a religious faction to its constituency to vote in an upcoming election. That does cross the line to violating the establishment clause of the first amendment, especially since the government is subsidizing the property on which she posted the sign.
2012-09-13 12:24:57 AM
1 votes:

PreMortem: Okay, what party is wanting to do the enslaving and lynching?

Missing something here...


Republicans are racists and unless you vote Democrat, blacks will be enslaved and lynched again.
2012-09-13 12:17:19 AM
1 votes:

Sleazy_as_Pie: So you lose tax exempt status, right? I can only hope.


Since they are endorsing no candidate or party - yeah, you can only hope.
Well, you could shiat in the other hand, and see which gets full first.
2012-09-13 12:16:38 AM
1 votes:
"Take it down. This is 2012," he said. "You don't supposed to do the racial thing. I don't know what it means."

Take it down ... because I don't know what it means? Huh?
2012-09-13 12:14:34 AM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Joyce Hise, the president of nearby Discount Casket Sales, said she connected with the message, which spurred her to register people to vote at her business.

wha?


Well, SOMEONE'S gotta put them in coffins.
2012-09-13 12:14:27 AM
1 votes:
Does Mary's Seafood still sell Danishes?
2012-09-13 12:12:24 AM
1 votes:
So you lose tax exempt status, right? I can only hope.
 
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