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2012-09-13 12:50:25 AM  

The One True TheDavid: So what person or party do you think most blacks who are moved to vote by that sign will chose to vote for?


Did you seriously just post that without the slightest hint of irony?
 
2012-09-13 12:51:50 AM  
"... Not surprisingly, some people have a problem with this"

Let me guess... white people?
 
2012-09-13 12:51:52 AM  

HotWingAgenda: jso2897: Sleazy_as_Pie: So you lose tax exempt status, right? I can only hope.

Since they are endorsing no candidate or party - yeah, you can only hope.
Well, you could shiat in the other hand, and see which gets full first.

It's a message from a religious faction to its constituency to vote in an upcoming election. That does cross the line to violating the establishment clause of the first amendment, especially since the government is subsidizing the property on which she posted the sign.


That's not how the establishment clause is currently interpreted. It might be how you want it to be interpreted (I sure do!), but it's not. In the U.S., fact, religious organizations have not only received tax exemptions, but Federal grants, said the Bush White House.

I assume you'll now join the campaign to ensure that the activities of the Family Resources Council is strictly monitored, creationism is banned in school texts, and the word 'God' is removed from anything that people are obligated to deal with, like, y'know, money, or the pledge of allegiance in public schools.

Or not.
 
2012-09-13 12:52:03 AM  
Mrtraveler01:

/GOP lost it's moral high ground when it came to race the moment they tried to court the "Southerner who was disgruntled with the Civil Rights Act" vote.

This. That's when my father left "the party of Lincoln." Back in Baltimore in the '50s & '60s the Republicans at least sounded more liberal on race than the Democrats, a legacy of the Civil War and Reconstruction.

Thank Reagan's strategists for that change.
 
2012-09-13 12:52:39 AM  

The Bestest: The One True TheDavid: So what person or party do you think most blacks who are moved to vote by that sign will chose to vote for?

Did you seriously just post that without the slightest hint of irony?


Have some sympathy. He's been victimized by being reminded that the privileges he enjoys were tortured out of somebody else's hide - and he isn't man enough to face the truth.
Somebody should take down that mean old sign that is oppressing him.
 
2012-09-13 12:54:46 AM  

jso2897: Skyred: Mrtraveler01: Skyred: iaazathot: Slam1263: Yeah, 'cause the Republicans started the KKK, my Democrat party boss told me so.

No, it was conservatives that started the KKK. It's just that the same conservative mindset happens to be held in the Republican party today.

BS, I don't know a single republican that sides with KKK mentality.

David Duke for starters...

maybe if you had his blond eyes blue hair you'd understand him

Yeah. He's a REAL victim.


What would this world be without the pure B/B? Those dirty minorities would take over and ruin everything
 
2012-09-13 12:56:45 AM  

jso2897: Sleazy_as_Pie: So you lose tax exempt status, right? I can only hope.

Since they are endorsing no candidate or party - yeah, you can only hope.
Well, you could shiat in the other hand, and see which gets full first.


oooh, I think jso2897 figured out who they're supporting!
 
2012-09-13 12:57:25 AM  
As a certified extreme white boy, I am not offended in the least bit.
 
2012-09-13 12:58:24 AM  

Skyred: jso2897: Skyred: Mrtraveler01: Skyred: iaazathot: Slam1263: Yeah, 'cause the Republicans started the KKK, my Democrat party boss told me so.

No, it was conservatives that started the KKK. It's just that the same conservative mindset happens to be held in the Republican party today.

BS, I don't know a single republican that sides with KKK mentality.

David Duke for starters...

maybe if you had his blond eyes blue hair you'd understand him

Yeah. He's a REAL victim.

What would this world be without the pure B/B? Those dirty minorities would take over and ruin everything


Fine, fine, then - make it a f**king diet Coke.
 
2012-09-13 01:00:13 AM  

The Bestest: The One True TheDavid:

So what person or party do you think most blacks who are moved to vote by that sign will chose to vote for?

Did you seriously just post that without the slightest hint of irony?


What's to be ironic about? Look at electoral history: which of the two major parties usually wins the Black vote these days? Which Presidential candidate do you expect most Blacks to vote for?

Did you just fall off the turnip truck? Do you think Black Americans are stupid enough intentionally vote against their own interests?

Voting stupid is a White people's problem. All most of my fellow pale people have to hear is "Black people will be better off if you vote for the other guy." That they'll gain too is hardly the point.
 
2012-09-13 01:00:35 AM  
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2012-09-13 01:01:53 AM  

skullkrusher: jso2897: Sleazy_as_Pie: So you lose tax exempt status, right? I can only hope.

Since they are endorsing no candidate or party - yeah, you can only hope.
Well, you could shiat in the other hand, and see which gets full first.

oooh, I think jso2897 figured out who they're supporting!


Why, the Illuminati, of course. Why else would I be supporting them?
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2012-09-13 01:02:15 AM  

Skyred: No, it was conservatives that started the KKK. It's just that the same conservative mindset happens to be held in the Republican party today.

BS, I don't know a single republican that sides with KKK mentality.


Trent Lott implied pretty openly that he did.
 
2012-09-13 01:03:24 AM  

The Bestest: HotWingAgenda: jso2897: Sleazy_as_Pie: So you lose tax exempt status, right? I can only hope.

Since they are endorsing no candidate or party - yeah, you can only hope.
Well, you could shiat in the other hand, and see which gets full first.

It's a message from a religious faction to its constituency to vote in an upcoming election. That does cross the line to violating the establishment clause of the first amendment, especially since the government is subsidizing the property on which she posted the sign.

Uh no. If it encouraged voting for any specific issue, measure or person, that'd be one thing. It does not.


It's specifically aimed at a religious faction, if you had bothered reading the article or my post. It's also aimed at a particular ethnic minority, as admitted by the person who put it up.
 
2012-09-13 01:04:04 AM  

ImpendingCynic: Skyred: No, it was conservatives that started the KKK. It's just that the same conservative mindset happens to be held in the Republican party today.

BS, I don't know a single republican that sides with KKK mentality.

Trent Lott implied pretty openly that he did.


I can tell you didn't read all the comments
 
2012-09-13 01:04:10 AM  
WMittensRomney wrote to HotWingAgenda:

I assume you'll now join the campaign to ensure that the activities of the Family Resources Council is strictly monitored, creationism is banned in school texts, and the word 'God' is removed from anything that people are obligated to deal with, like, y'know, money, or the pledge of allegiance in public schools.

You'd join him with me, a godless commie? What did I ever do to you?
 
2012-09-13 01:04:20 AM  

The One True TheDavid: Did you just fall off the turnip truck? Do you think Black Americans are stupid enough intentionally vote against their own interests?


Well, to be fair, you could ask the same about poor White people in Red states.
 
2012-09-13 01:05:26 AM  

The One True TheDavid: What's to be ironic about? Look at electoral history: which of the two major parties usually wins the Black vote these days? Which Presidential candidate do you expect most Blacks to vote for?

Did you just fall off the turnip truck? Do you think Black Americans are stupid enough intentionally vote against their own interests?

Voting stupid is a White people's problem. All most of my fellow pale people have to hear is "Black people will be better off if you vote for the other guy." That they'll gain too is hardly the point.


OK, so encouraging people to vote, even if it is a specific group of people, despite not suggesting at all who/what to vote for, is political simply because that group tends to vote a certain way?
 
2012-09-13 01:06:57 AM  
"You don't supposed to do the racial thing. I don't know what it means."
Me either?
 
2012-09-13 01:08:20 AM  

HotWingAgenda: It's specifically aimed at a religious faction, if you had bothered reading the article or my post. It's also aimed at a particular ethnic minority, as admitted by the person who put it up.


Once again, it is not advocating any particular issue or candidate. It is not AT ALL telling people what to vote FOR.
 
2012-09-13 01:10:30 AM  

Pincy: The One True TheDavid: Did you just fall off the turnip truck? Do you think Black Americans are stupid enough intentionally vote against their own interests?

Well, to be fair, you could ask the same about poor White people in Red states.


img.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-13 01:11:09 AM  

Easy Reader: Often I'm glad I'm so apathetic. Must be shiatty to go around all the time being angry at minor things so out of one's control.


On the contrary, I think a lot of people find anger invigorating. Anger and hatred connect to a sense of self-righteousness, and if there's any emotion the average person enjoys more than self-righteousness, I'm not sure what it is. Love, I suppose. But love is a lot harder to find and maintain for most people than self-righteousness. 

It also, in a way, gives one a sense of being in control. If bad things happen to you because bad people did bad things, then it's their fault, and punishing them should (at least in theory) cause the bad things to stop.

There's also a cultural element. Americans, more so than other other nationality, want to believe that every bad thing that happens is somebody's fault. I think it's again about wanting (somebody) to have control.
 
2012-09-13 01:11:38 AM  
My great-great grandfather was hung for being a Confederate spy.Two of his brothers were tied up and shot
for being horse thieves.Does this mean I have to vote? And who for?
 
2012-09-13 01:12:44 AM  

The Bestest: HotWingAgenda: It's specifically aimed at a religious faction, if you had bothered reading the article or my post. It's also aimed at a particular ethnic minority, as admitted by the person who put it up.

Once again, it is not advocating any particular issue or candidate. It is not AT ALL telling people what to vote FOR.


You seem to think that religious influence on state is far more prominent than it actually is. I've been an active participant in numerous religious organizations and never once have they tried to influence my political opinions.
 
2012-09-13 01:12:47 AM  

jso2897: Sleazy_as_Pie: So you lose tax exempt status, right? I can only hope.

Since they are endorsing no candidate or party - yeah, you can only hope.
Well, you could shiat in the other hand, and see which gets full first.


To be fair, I don't think their point was wrong, regardless of how stupidly it was made. But they're still a church interjecting themselves into politics.

So yeah... Pay your taxes.
 
2012-09-13 01:16:00 AM  

Sleazy_as_Pie: To be fair, I don't think their point was wrong, regardless of how stupidly it was made. But they're still a church interjecting themselves into politics.

So yeah... Pay your taxes.


Just telling people to vote is not political.
 
2012-09-13 01:16:26 AM  
Using emotional appeal to cause action usually are not reliable, it's insulting since the argument implies that thinking should not be involved and the convincement is very short lived, especially once examined.

In other words, it backfires to unintended consequences.
 
2012-09-13 01:17:12 AM  

Slam1263: Yeah, 'cause the Republicans started the KKK, my Democrat party boss told me so.


iaazathot: No, it was conservatives that started the KKK. It's just that the same conservative mindset happens to be held in the Republican party today.


Theseus called. He wants his ship back, if you've still got the same one. 

/Directed towards Slam1263
 
2012-09-13 01:18:02 AM  
Is there a Poe's law equivalent for tax exempt religious institutions?

I echo the earlier statements that I can't make heads or tails of this article. Is it that Romney will put "Y'all back in chains," or that Obama's economic policies will result in a hundred years of socialist slavery? I guess I should applaud the church for obeying the letter of the law, and not even hinting at which candidate is anti-slavery, but in general I'm just confused. Hopefully the pastor there is laughing his ass off at the trolling he pulled off.
 
2012-09-13 01:20:48 AM  

Sleazy_as_Pie: jso2897: Sleazy_as_Pie: So you lose tax exempt status, right? I can only hope.

Since they are endorsing no candidate or party - yeah, you can only hope.
Well, you could shiat in the other hand, and see which gets full first.

To be fair, I don't think their point was wrong, regardless of how stupidly it was made. But they're still a church interjecting themselves into politics.

So yeah... Pay your taxes.


First, change the rules. If you did, a WHOLE lot of other, less offensively brown churches would have to pay taxes, too.
 
2012-09-13 01:22:24 AM  

Skyred: You seem to think that religious influence on state is far more prominent than it actually is. I've been an active participant in numerous religious organizations and never once have they tried to influence my political opinions.


HA!

It's not what issue or who you vote for - it's WHOM that gets voted in. If religion has a dominant presence in the candidate's life, there is really no way to deny them their excessive authority since they are empowered to write such laws to their own conscience rather than the ones that are ideal to the constituents the official represents.
 
2012-09-13 01:24:44 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Is there a Poe's law equivalent for tax exempt religious institutions?

I echo the earlier statements that I can't make heads or tails of this article. Is it that Romney will put "Y'all back in chains," or that Obama's economic policies will result in a hundred years of socialist slavery? I guess I should applaud the church for obeying the letter of the law, and not even hinting at which candidate is anti-slavery, but in general I'm just confused. Hopefully the pastor there is laughing his ass off at the trolling he pulled off.


It's obeying the spirit of the law too. It's making no allegorical relationship to any candidate or issue. It is reminding people that they have a right that was hard-fought for and taken for granted.
 
2012-09-13 01:26:02 AM  
'I'm going get hung.
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"You don't supposed to do the racial thing. I don't know what it means."
ts3.mm.bing.net
 
2012-09-13 01:26:10 AM  

CrispFlows: Skyred: You seem to think that religious influence on state is far more prominent than it actually is. I've been an active participant in numerous religious organizations and never once have they tried to influence my political opinions.

HA!

It's not what issue or who you vote for - it's WHOM that gets voted in. If religion has a dominant presence in the candidate's life, there is really no way to deny them their excessive authority since they are empowered to write such laws to their own conscience rather than the ones that are ideal to the constituents the official represents.


there absolutely is power to deny them that right. the very process of voting does that
 
2012-09-13 01:30:51 AM  

CrispFlows: Using emotional appeal to cause action usually are not reliable, it's insulting since the argument implies that thinking should not be involved and the convincement is very short lived, especially once examined.

In other words, it backfires to unintended consequences.


On the contrary: emotional arguments work just dandy with certain type of personalities. A lot of people tend to make snap judgements and then employ strategic reasoning to justify their decisions. I also think you overestimate the number of people who *ever* examine their core beliefs in any meaningful way.


The One True TheDavid: it's the difference between friendly fascism and the raving scary kind, like Coke vs. Pepsi.


Wait... which is the scary kind? Coke or Pepsi? Where does Mountain Dew fall on the fascism spectrum?
 
2012-09-13 01:32:41 AM  
Yeah, another Total Farkers are total racist thread. You guys really don't need to advertise the fact.
 
2012-09-13 01:32:58 AM  
Since I got in early enough to start a few reply chains, I just wanna say I hadn't read the entire article before my initial post, (typical farker, I know).

I support their artisitic expression. And I agree with their point. And, honestly, I think more people should be exposed to this kind of ideas.

However (and I abdicate the argument that they shouldn't be tax exempt over this, my bad), I don't think most of the audience for public art (aka "the public") is smart enough to understand the point of this.

(Case in point, my own knee-jerk response to what I perceived to be knee-jerk race baiting (yes I was wrong))

((((parentheses, I can't stop using them. Worse than slashies)))))
 
2012-09-13 01:36:03 AM  

jso2897: Skyred: RandyJohnson: jso2897: Sleazy_as_Pie: So you lose tax exempt status, right? I can only hope.

Since they are endorsing no candidate or party - yeah, you can only hope.
Well, you could shiat in the other hand, and see which gets full first.

jso2897: Let's not forget the REAL victims - white boys made uncomfortable by the truth.

Two posts. Two minutes apart. I'm new here, but you might be a troll? I better not respond. Otherwise people might think I am a fool.

me thinks you found a troll

We are all trolls here, my friend.


speak for yourself. i'm a dooshbag.
 
2012-09-13 01:39:00 AM  

KrispyKritter: jso2897: Skyred: RandyJohnson: jso2897: Sleazy_as_Pie: So you lose tax exempt status, right? I can only hope.

Since they are endorsing no candidate or party - yeah, you can only hope.
Well, you could shiat in the other hand, and see which gets full first.

jso2897: Let's not forget the REAL victims - white boys made uncomfortable by the truth.

Two posts. Two minutes apart. I'm new here, but you might be a troll? I better not respond. Otherwise people might think I am a fool.

me thinks you found a troll

We are all trolls here, my friend.

speak for yourself. i'm a dooshbag.


There will always be a Douchebag on Fark. Give me a Sandwich and a Douchebag, and there is nothing I can't accomplish.
 
2012-09-13 01:39:25 AM  

ImpendingCynic: Skyred: No, it was conservatives that started the KKK. It's just that the same conservative mindset happens to be held in the Republican party today.

BS, I don't know a single republican that sides with KKK mentality.

Trent Lott implied pretty openly that he did.


Jesse Helms? Well, he died in 2008 so may he doesn't qualify.
 
2012-09-13 01:39:50 AM  

Skyred: iaazathot: Slam1263: Yeah, 'cause the Republicans started the KKK, my Democrat party boss told me so.

No, it was conservatives that started the KKK. It's just that the same conservative mindset happens to be held in the Republican party today.

BS, I don't know a single republican that sides with KKK mentality.


You don't know many Republicans, then.

/met a few
 
2012-09-13 01:41:25 AM  
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2012-09-13 01:43:44 AM  

Sleazy_as_Pie: But they're still a church interjecting themselves into politics.


Voting is civics, not politics.
 
2012-09-13 01:44:29 AM  

david_gaithersburg: [boudicabpi.files.wordpress.com image 250x382]


That somehow evokes Yoda.
 
2012-09-13 01:45:00 AM  

A stranger in the Alps: [t1.gstatic.com image 268x172]


I see my work is already done. Carry on.
 
2012-09-13 01:46:17 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Skyred: iaazathot: Slam1263: Yeah, 'cause the Republicans started the KKK, my Democrat party boss told me so.

No, it was conservatives that started the KKK. It's just that the same conservative mindset happens to be held in the Republican party today.

BS, I don't know a single republican that sides with KKK mentality.

You don't know many Republicans, then.

/met a few


really? there was a follow up comment no more than 5 down or so
 
2012-09-13 01:46:31 AM  
FTFA: Joyce Hise, the president of nearby Discount Casket Sales, said she connected with the message, which spurred her to register people to vote at her business.

That is a great name for a business and would make an awesome band name.
 
2012-09-13 01:56:19 AM  

jso2897: The Bestest: The One True TheDavid:

So what person or party do you think most blacks who are moved to vote by that sign will chose to vote for?

Did you seriously just post that without the slightest hint of irony?

Have some sympathy. He's been victimized by being reminded that the privileges he enjoys were tortured out of somebody else's hide - and he isn't man enough to face the truth.
Somebody should take down that mean old sign that is oppressing him.


You read me totally incorrectly. It's not that the sign is oppressing me: I agree with its sentiment, however harmless it might be. The problem I have is that it's on church property, in violation of the Establishment Clause.

This sign should be in a public park or school or in front of City Hall. Places, by the way, where the word "God' should never be invoked in an "official" way.

As for voting, I've already said I think it's as harmless as prayer.

Oh, ad I was once almost beaten up for saying that the South had a right to secede: the Civil War was an illegal aggression against the South, unconstititional until after the North won and the Radical Reconstructionists got control of Congress and passed the 13th, 14th and 15 Amendments.

The analogy I use is that going to war against the South for seceding was as wrong as pulling a gun on your wife because she wants to leave you: whether your wife had a good reason to leave you or not ain't the point, it's that she freely entered into a contract she is free to leave. And by pulling a gun on her you'd be showing her and everybody what a violent asshole you are and giving her a perfectly good reason to leave you.

This has nothing to do with slavery: the South did indeed secede to preserve slavery, slavery that was always wrong. Furthermore it took an unconstitutional and illegal civil war to end slavery, a result I can't argue with: it was a lesser evil than letting slavery continue.

This by the is where the analogy with marital breakup gets complicated: if your wife is leaving you to pimp your kids out to pedophiles then pulling a gun on her to stop her from taking them is less wrong than letting her take the kids with her. If you substitute "wife" for "Confederacy" and "kids" for "slaves" you might get my point.

I only wish that the South's insistence on preserving and spreading its "peculiar institution" had not pushed things to the point where the Civil War was necessary to end slavery -- and that the North had not let them keep pushing slavery on the rest of the country since the end of the Revolution.

The obvious post facto answer would have been for the antislavery forces in the North (and the South) to have stood up to the slaveowners decades before then, or better yet to have abolished slavery during our revolution from Britain.

It's too bad that the ante bellum "southern strategy" was to humor and "compromise" with the slave power until the chance for a peaceful solution was long gone. (You do know the history, right?)

Back to this thread: it's not blacks that oppress me, it's stupid people. And in today's America it's white people that, in quantity and quality, win the Stupidity Sweepstakes. Which is not to say that no black American can ever be stupid, only that it's not the stupidity of blacks that the USA is built on.

Like I said, in America the easiest way to cause a candidate to win is to tell white voters the other guy wants to benefit black Americans somehow. Even if whites will benefit more from the measure. Whites cut off our noses to spite the blacks: the anti-Obama crusade is a prime example of this. Regardless of what I think of the Obama team's policies (i.e. they're not socialist enough), it's not like they ever said "whites need not apply." 

But anyway.

Now that you've read this post you're going to start crowing that I said the USA should bring black slavery back, aren't you.
 
2012-09-13 01:57:03 AM  

jso2897: Let's not forget the REAL victims - white boys made uncomfortable by the truth.


Whoomp, there it is.
 
2012-09-13 01:58:26 AM  

lelio: "Take it down. This is 2012," he said. "You don't supposed to do the racial thing. I don't know what it means."

Take it down ... because I don't know what it means? Huh?


It's Indiana. JSO's comment above is what is being said between the lines, not 'I don't know what it means'. Everyone knows exactly what it means.
 
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