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2012-09-13 01:37:03 AM

david_gaithersburg: The important thing is that O'bama apologized first. What a sad farking idiot.


Shut up Reince.
 
2012-09-13 01:38:04 AM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: bdub77: what exactly is your proof that atheism is any better than organized religion?

Because atheism is a persistant constant and religion is an arbitrary variable. If all of human knowledge was lost, erased, reset, everything an atheist 'believes' in would be recreated, math, science, technology, logic, humanism, all would re-emerge. Religion would only manifest in some random pointless haphazard cobbled together amalgam of fear and ignorance.


Then by your definition art, music, and writing are also arbitrary variables, since they rely on the creative and not the logical centers of the brain and would manifest themselves in a random fashion. It's ironic that you bring up logic since your 'proof' is centered on a complete absence of it. Fear and ignorance will always have a place in humanity because of our basic wiring, and it is that same fear and self-professed ignorance that pushes us to discoveries in technology and science and math.

And religion is just as constant, if not more constant, than atheism. To me, atheism is in some ways as bad as religion, since it is frankly a smug way to look at life as devoid of meaning without really having all the answers with which to purport such a belief. Do you believe without a doubt that we are soulless and that when we die our brains simply stop functioning and we cease to exist because God doesn't exist? If your answer is yes, then you are just as religious as anyone else, because guess what - you seriously don't f*cking know for certain, so that makes your assertion a belief. Just as people cannot prove there is a God, you cannot prove there isn't one. But I'm sure your corpse will be a magnificently smug specimen.
 
2012-09-13 01:38:10 AM

spacelord321: With one hundred jewish financers. Not saying Isreal was behind it, but it is a decidedly jewish source.


There is no good reason to believe this claim is true. It certainly didn't cost the $5 million they claimed.
 
2012-09-13 01:39:11 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: B-b-but the Fark Stormfront Brigade told me all one billion Muslims jews in the world are violent psychopaths


Every time someone makes a comment like that, I'm going to do that.
 
2012-09-13 01:40:06 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: Do you think this is a false flag operation by evil Muslims jews who really are just trying to fool us?

 
2012-09-13 01:40:08 AM

Void_Beavis: Skyred: Thats freaking awesome that they're posting signs like this, I don't give a damn how well they know English.
And what the fark does the tea party movement have to do with this?

Because appearantly if you want lower taxes you're some kind of Taliban or something.

Extreme left logic at its finest, seeking to classify anything it is not as bible thumping bafoons.

On a related note, I wonder if the aithiests in the tea party movement appreciate this classification...


You can't deny there's quite a bit of overlap. Though I think the Taliban comparison is more about zealotry than religiosity.

The Tea Party, Religion and Social Issues

pewresearch.org

pewresearch.org
 
2012-09-13 01:46:31 AM

bdub77: Serious Post on Serious Thread: bdub77: what exactly is your proof that atheism is any better than organized religion?

Because atheism is a persistant constant and religion is an arbitrary variable. If all of human knowledge was lost, erased, reset, everything an atheist 'believes' in would be recreated, math, science, technology, logic, humanism, all would re-emerge. Religion would only manifest in some random pointless haphazard cobbled together amalgam of fear and ignorance.

Then by your definition art, music, and writing are also arbitrary variables, since they rely on the creative and not the logical centers of the brain and would manifest themselves in a random fashion. It's ironic that you bring up logic since your 'proof' is centered on a complete absence of it. Fear and ignorance will always have a place in humanity because of our basic wiring, and it is that same fear and self-professed ignorance that pushes us to discoveries in technology and science and math.

And religion is just as constant, if not more constant, than atheism. To me, atheism is in some ways as bad as religion, since it is frankly a smug way to look at life as devoid of meaning without really having all the answers with which to purport such a belief. Do you believe without a doubt that we are soulless and that when we die our brains simply stop functioning and we cease to exist because God doesn't exist? If your answer is yes, then you are just as religious as anyone else, because guess what - you seriously don't f*cking know for certain, so that makes your assertion a belief. Just as people cannot prove there is a God, you cannot prove there isn't one. But I'm sure your corpse will be a magnificently smug specimen.


There's a teapot floating through space that I'd like to sell you...
 
2012-09-13 01:48:17 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: There'd be no Publican party, if it weren't for people voting against their own interests because they hates them feelthy queers.


You don't even need that last part.
They somehow have poor, jobless people convinced that the way to help them get a job and a paycheck is to enlarge the private income of the people who own the companies that are shipping their jobs overseas.
 
2012-09-13 01:50:01 AM

Void_Beavis: Girion47: Itstoearly: GAT_00: That's more of an apology than I've ever seen for Christian Talibangelicals from the Christians who supposedly don't agree with them yet never speak against them.

I've never heard an atheist apologize for Mao killing tens of millions of religious people in the name of communistic atheism.

Because atheism isn't a religion. Being atheist is being free from the shackles of mythology, not being part of a club.

So I guess all those millions of people are now "free" from their shackles.

Are you a true retard or do you play one on TV?


Next time, before hitting "Add Comment", ask yourself, "I wonder if this is a strawman argument".
 
2012-09-13 01:50:05 AM

cc_rider: Lehk: OnlyM3: Jerseysteve22

The Mossad is causing these riots. They know this would weaken Obama and give Romney a shot at winning. If Romney wins, he'll attack Iran and support Israel in doing so.
Oh don't be shy, just come out and say how much you hate jews. You're not alone (especially on FARK)


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444017504577645681057 4 98 266.html?mod=wsj_share_tweet/
(link to g cache to avoid paywall)

In a telephone interview Tuesday with The Wall Street Journal, a man identifying himself as Mr. Bacile said he was a 52-year-old Israeli-American real-estate developer in California who raised $5 million from 100 Jewish donors to promote the film.

He characterized the film as a political effort to call attention to the hypocrisies of Islam. It has been promoted by Terry Jones, the Florida pastor whose burning of Qurans previously saparked deadly riots around the world.
 

Sam Bacile, an Israeli-american film maker directed and produced the video.

Update on that: The film-maker has gone missing, and evidence shows that his real name is probably not Sam Bacile, and he is probably not an Israeli.


Link

Link


I stand corrected. This has become even more interesting. I must admit, the original statement that 100 jews financed the film, seemed over the top inflammatory in the first place.
 
2012-09-13 01:54:14 AM

Degenz: yea well, me and my friends will send you some pics of us Americans drinking beer and holding up stupid placards while being sorry for looking at all those pictures of you dead Libyans after we bomb the f*ck out you. will that make it better?

oh wait, Obama is a big pacifist pussy afraid to use American force on terrorists.

keep telling yourselves that, pussies. US naval power is gathering off your coast at this very moment. I can only hope you have the balls to come out and play.


Gold spray paint is a helluva drug.
 
2012-09-13 01:54:30 AM

david_gaithersburg: The important thing is that O'bama apologized first. What a sad farking idiot.


Look, another person who likes his news biased.
 
2012-09-13 01:56:23 AM

spacelord321: cc_rider: Lehk: OnlyM3: Jerseysteve22

The Mossad is causing these riots. They know this would weaken Obama and give Romney a shot at winning. If Romney wins, he'll attack Iran and support Israel in doing so.
Oh don't be shy, just come out and say how much you hate jews. You're not alone (especially on FARK)


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444017504577645681057 4 98 266.html?mod=wsj_share_tweet/
(link to g cache to avoid paywall)

In a telephone interview Tuesday with The Wall Street Journal, a man identifying himself as Mr. Bacile said he was a 52-year-old Israeli-American real-estate developer in California who raised $5 million from 100 Jewish donors to promote the film.

He characterized the film as a political effort to call attention to the hypocrisies of Islam. It has been promoted by Terry Jones, the Florida pastor whose burning of Qurans previously saparked deadly riots around the world.
 

Sam Bacile, an Israeli-american film maker directed and produced the video.

Update on that: The film-maker has gone missing, and evidence shows that his real name is probably not Sam Bacile, and he is probably not an Israeli.


Link

Link

I stand corrected. This has become even more interesting. I must admit, the original statement that 100 jews financed the film, seemed over the top inflammatory in the first place.


It kinda looks, at the moment, like a Coptic made it and blamed the Jews. Sounds like a setup to me.
 
2012-09-13 01:59:39 AM

fusillade762: Void_Beavis: Skyred: Thats freaking awesome that they're posting signs like this, I don't give a damn how well they know English.
And what the fark does the tea party movement have to do with this?

Because appearantly if you want lower taxes you're some kind of Taliban or something.

Extreme left logic at its finest, seeking to classify anything it is not as bible thumping bafoons.

On a related note, I wonder if the aithiests in the tea party movement appreciate this classification...

You can't deny there's quite a bit of overlap. Though I think the Taliban comparison is more about zealotry than religiosity.

The Tea Party, Religion and Social Issues

[pewresearch.org image 410x273]

[pewresearch.org image 296x372]


Thanks for the links to the articles. That was great reliving the left trying to wrap their little minds around the greatest buthurt they've endured in 72 years. Good times.

//The American people, who the fark are they!?!?
 
2012-09-13 02:00:14 AM

Sabyen91: spacelord321: With one hundred jewish financers. Not saying Isreal was behind it, but it is a decidedly jewish source.

There is no good reason to believe this claim is true. It certainly didn't cost the $5 million they claimed.


Yep. Agreed. Was late to the party. I have retracted my statement.
 
2012-09-13 02:01:35 AM
OK, so who can translate?

This was favorited by Sam Bacile a month ago

And this is a comment left 2 days ago on another video: يابهايم دة فيلم امريكي 100%

link to vid and comment
 
2012-09-13 02:02:18 AM

spacelord321: Sabyen91: spacelord321: With one hundred jewish financers. Not saying Isreal was behind it, but it is a decidedly jewish source.

There is no good reason to believe this claim is true. It certainly didn't cost the $5 million they claimed.

Yep. Agreed. Was late to the party. I have retracted my statement.


Ahh, ok. I have had to back off of what I had heard earlier as well. There is a lot of noise in the media. I guess it is true that getting the news out first is better than getting the news out accurately.
 
2012-09-13 02:02:50 AM

jso2897: Gold spray paint is a helluva drug.


Yea, tell me about it

images.wikia.com
 
2012-09-13 02:08:22 AM

alienated: JerseyTim: So, umm... Here is the moderate Muslim outrage?

It appears so. Good for them.


About bloody time. Apparently moderate muslims are growing a backbone in the aftermath of the arab spring.
 
2012-09-13 02:09:09 AM
Welp, thread's been Godwinned. Time to abandon this sinking ship.
 
2012-09-13 02:12:32 AM

JonnyBGoode: alienated: JerseyTim: So, umm... Here is the moderate Muslim outrage?

It appears so. Good for them.

About bloody time. Apparently moderate muslims are growing a backbone in the aftermath of the arab spring.


They have done it for a long time. Apparently you didn't notice.
 
2012-09-13 02:15:48 AM
LA Times is reporting that some group of fundamentalist Christians from the middle east, including one Copt who is some kind of check kiting felon, are involved in getting this video out.

I really, really hope the Egyptian muslims don't take this out on the Copts.
 
2012-09-13 02:16:47 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Ready-set: Action>Words.

Proof, arrests, trials, convictions. That's the only way. Otherwise there will be more boots than the group of Marines already on their way over.

So, then, you, and all the other teahadis baying for Libyan blood, will be willing to:

* enlist, if you are able, and
* support and pay the taxes needed to pay for yet another war with the Scary Mooselimbs,

right? Right?


Why tea? Is that a straw man argument? I'm mostly libertarian. Everyone do what they want unless it hurts others.

Embassy grounds are officially the land of the country represented. These perps invaded US soil and killed US citizens. It's ok to let the blood boil a bit when that happens. Innocent men killed by a large mob. Justice, then healing. Imagine it was your father over there, murdered for something he didn't do. ACT.
 
2012-09-13 02:20:13 AM
Where can we send our, "yeah, we dont like terry jones either" pics?
 
2012-09-13 02:21:34 AM

Kit Fister: Lorelle: Kit Fister: Because teabaggers are all dumb, ignorant folks worthy of endless derision and scorn for their free expression of political thought mindlessly parroting everything spewed by Faux News, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and every other conservative propagandist.

FTFY

Yes, because nothing engenders support for your platform and beliefs like mercilessly tearing down other people for what they believe, rather than educating...


Ignorance is circumstance, stupidity is a choice.

/Horse. Water. Still Thirsty.
 
2012-09-13 02:23:45 AM

cloud_van_dame: LA Times is reporting that some group of fundamentalist Christians from the middle east, including one Copt who is some kind of check kiting felon, are involved in getting this video out.

I really, really hope the Egyptian muslims don't take this out on the Copts.


Well, the quickie research I've done, which is next to jack farking shiat,is related to the above youtube links which come from the guy, allegedly, who made and posted the trailer. He favorited one video and commented another. Both seem to be supportive of Al-Nour. It doesn't seem like the movie is actually anti-muslim at all, in fact it's very pro-Muslim, which makes it even more scary.
Of course, if someone can translate those links, just to get the gist, I certainly could be wrong.
 
2012-09-13 02:26:31 AM
All those years of cherry-picking news articles and blog entries that conformed to my preconceived notions of a people from the complete opposite side the world who I have never met before are being utterly shattered! Someone bomb something quick before I forget that I'm an American!
 
2012-09-13 02:36:23 AM

Ready-set: Embassy grounds are officially the land of the country represented. These perps invaded US soil and killed US citizens. It's ok to let the blood boil a bit when that happens. Innocent men killed by a large mob. Justice, then healing. Imagine it was your father over there, murdered for something he didn't do. ACT.


"ACT", how? If not with war, then what exactly are you calling for? If with war, then, you will be willing to:

* enlist, if you are able, and
* support and pay the taxes needed to pay for yet another war with the Scary Mooselimbs,

right? Right?

img1.fark.net
 
2012-09-13 02:37:13 AM

Sabyen91: spacelord321: Sabyen91: spacelord321: With one hundred jewish financers. Not saying Isreal was behind it, but it is a decidedly jewish source.

There is no good reason to believe this claim is true. It certainly didn't cost the $5 million they claimed.

Yep. Agreed. Was late to the party. I have retracted my statement.

Ahh, ok. I have had to back off of what I had heard earlier as well. There is a lot of noise in the media. I guess it is true that getting the news out first is better than getting the news out accurately.


Step 3 is profit. ; )
 
2012-09-13 02:38:10 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Ready-set: Embassy grounds are officially the land of the country represented. These perps invaded US soil and killed US citizens. It's ok to let the blood boil a bit when that happens. Innocent men killed by a large mob. Justice, then healing. Imagine it was your father over there, murdered for something he didn't do. ACT.

"ACT", how? If not with war, then what exactly are you calling for? If with war, then, you will be willing to:

* enlist, if you are able, and
* support and pay the taxes needed to pay for yet another war with the Scary Mooselimbs,

right? Right?

[img1.fark.net image 54x11]


Whoa, let's not get crazy now. There are plenty of poor people to do the job.
 
2012-09-13 02:41:54 AM

Ready-set: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Ready-set: Action>Words.

Proof, arrests, trials, convictions. That's the only way. Otherwise there will be more boots than the group of Marines already on their way over.

So, then, you, and all the other teahadis baying for Libyan blood, will be willing to:

* enlist, if you are able, and
* support and pay the taxes needed to pay for yet another war with the Scary Mooselimbs,

right? Right?

Why tea? Is that a straw man argument? I'm mostly libertarian. Everyone do what they want unless it hurts others.

Embassy grounds are officially the land of the country represented. These perps invaded US soil and killed US citizens. It's ok to let the blood boil a bit when that happens. Innocent men killed by a large mob. Justice, then healing. Imagine it was your father over there, murdered for something he didn't do. ACT.


If it were my father I still would not subject whole nations of people to war to satisfy my hurt.

Buy the ticket... take the ride.
 
2012-09-13 02:43:27 AM

spacelord321: Ready-set: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Ready-set: Action>Words.

Proof, arrests, trials, convictions. That's the only way. Otherwise there will be more boots than the group of Marines already on their way over.

So, then, you, and all the other teahadis baying for Libyan blood, will be willing to:

* enlist, if you are able, and
* support and pay the taxes needed to pay for yet another war with the Scary Mooselimbs,

right? Right?

Why tea? Is that a straw man argument? I'm mostly libertarian. Everyone do what they want unless it hurts others.

Embassy grounds are officially the land of the country represented. These perps invaded US soil and killed US citizens. It's ok to let the blood boil a bit when that happens. Innocent men killed by a large mob. Justice, then healing. Imagine it was your father over there, murdered for something he didn't do. ACT.

If it were my father I still would not subject whole nations of people to war to satisfy my hurt.

Buy the ticket... take the ride.


You don't get it. If it were your father it should be all out war. Don't you love your father?
 
2012-09-13 02:51:16 AM
If I were King of America, I'd tell these folks "Thanks! You're the good ones. For that, I'll give you this warning....find a nice place to hide because there are some bombs coming your way. You don't don't kill our diplomats without getting some ordinance in return. Sorry, it's just how we roll."

Maybe Libya will think about providing a little better security for our diplomats when they learn that we're serious about their security.
 
2012-09-13 02:53:12 AM

The Southern Dandy: If I were King of America, I'd tell these folks "Thanks! You're the good ones. For that, I'll give you this warning....find a nice place to hide because there are some bombs coming your way. You don't don't kill our diplomats without getting some ordinance in return. Sorry, it's just how we roll."

Maybe Libya will think about providing a little better security for our diplomats when they learn that we're serious about their security.


If I were King of America I would say "See ya Silicon Valley, you are collatoral damage" and then push the button.
 
2012-09-13 02:57:12 AM

The Southern Dandy: If I were King of America, I'd tell these folks "Thanks! You're the good ones. For that, I'll give you this warning....find a nice place to hide because there are some bombs coming your way. You don't don't kill our diplomats without getting some ordinance in return. Sorry, it's just how we roll."

Maybe Libya will think about providing a little better security for our diplomats when they learn that we're serious about their security.


Honestly, what the fark good would bombing Libya do?
 
2012-09-13 02:57:36 AM

Sabyen91: spacelord321: Ready-set: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Ready-set: Action>Words.

Proof, arrests, trials, convictions. That's the only way. Otherwise there will be more boots than the group of Marines already on their way over.

So, then, you, and all the other teahadis baying for Libyan blood, will be willing to:

* enlist, if you are able, and
* support and pay the taxes needed to pay for yet another war with the Scary Mooselimbs,

right? Right?

Why tea? Is that a straw man argument? I'm mostly libertarian. Everyone do what they want unless it hurts others.

Embassy grounds are officially the land of the country represented. These perps invaded US soil and killed US citizens. It's ok to let the blood boil a bit when that happens. Innocent men killed by a large mob. Justice, then healing. Imagine it was your father over there, murdered for something he didn't do. ACT.

If it were my father I still would not subject whole nations of people to war to satisfy my hurt.

Buy the ticket... take the ride.

You don't get it. If it were your father it should be all out war. Don't you love your father?


I love all people. They color my world. Especially my enemies... in RED.

Not you. I know you know. You know?
 
2012-09-13 02:58:42 AM

spacelord321: Sabyen91: spacelord321: Ready-set: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Ready-set: Action>Words.

Proof, arrests, trials, convictions. That's the only way. Otherwise there will be more boots than the group of Marines already on their way over.

So, then, you, and all the other teahadis baying for Libyan blood, will be willing to:

* enlist, if you are able, and
* support and pay the taxes needed to pay for yet another war with the Scary Mooselimbs,

right? Right?

Why tea? Is that a straw man argument? I'm mostly libertarian. Everyone do what they want unless it hurts others.

Embassy grounds are officially the land of the country represented. These perps invaded US soil and killed US citizens. It's ok to let the blood boil a bit when that happens. Innocent men killed by a large mob. Justice, then healing. Imagine it was your father over there, murdered for something he didn't do. ACT.

If it were my father I still would not subject whole nations of people to war to satisfy my hurt.

Buy the ticket... take the ride.

You don't get it. If it were your father it should be all out war. Don't you love your father?

I love all people. They color my world. Especially my enemies... in RED.

Not you. I know you know. You know?


No. Father hater! I am disgusted that you wouldn't kill millions of people. Very disappointed.
 
2012-09-13 03:02:37 AM

Sabyen91: spacelord321: Sabyen91: spacelord321: Ready-set: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Ready-set: Action>Words.

Proof, arrests, trials, convictions. That's the only way. Otherwise there will be more boots than the group of Marines already on their way over.

So, then, you, and all the other teahadis baying for Libyan blood, will be willing to:

* enlist, if you are able, and
* support and pay the taxes needed to pay for yet another war with the Scary Mooselimbs,

right? Right?

Why tea? Is that a straw man argument? I'm mostly libertarian. Everyone do what they want unless it hurts others.

Embassy grounds are officially the land of the country represented. These perps invaded US soil and killed US citizens. It's ok to let the blood boil a bit when that happens. Innocent men killed by a large mob. Justice, then healing. Imagine it was your father over there, murdered for something he didn't do. ACT.

If it were my father I still would not subject whole nations of people to war to satisfy my hurt.

Buy the ticket... take the ride.

You don't get it. If it were your father it should be all out war. Don't you love your father?

I love all people. They color my world. Especially my enemies... in RED.

Not you. I know you know. You know?

No. Father hater! I am disgusted that you wouldn't kill millions of people. Very disappointed.


I'll try harder?
 
2012-09-13 03:03:46 AM

bdub77: To me, atheism is in some ways as bad as religion, since it is frankly a smug way to look at life as devoid of meaning


Not at all.
Atheism itself has nothing to do with the meaning (or lack thereof) of life, and I don't think most atheists would agree at all that life has no meaning -- only that it has no objective meaning. That doesn't mean that you cannot decide what the purpose of your own life is, which is ultimately what all of us do anyway and which I would argue is the more meaningful question to ask yourself anyhow.


bdub77: Do you believe without a doubt that we are soulless and that when we die our brains simply stop functioning and we cease to exist because God doesn't exist? If your answer is yes, then you are just as religious as anyone else, because guess what - you seriously don't f*cking know for certain, so that makes your assertion a belief.


I think you're equivocating the word "belief". That word is bandied about and used in so many different ways that it really just muddies the entire discussion. This misunderstanding of the difference between the types of beliefs that people have is at the very root of your mis-characterization of atheism as being like a religion.

Do atheists have beliefs? Yes, of course. But they have beliefs that are grounded in some verifiable knowledge. It is not necessary for this knowledge to be 100% complete and unimpeachable (no perfect theory exists in science anyhow), it is only necessary that it be grounded upon reliable observations. Just as importantly, these beliefs are subject to change if presented with reliable contradicting evidence.

This is a fundamentally different type of "belief" than one that is rooted in religious faith. A belief held on faith is held without regard to any objective factual evidence either for or against. A religious person may use positive evidence to try and convince people, but it is not why he believes it. Contradictory evidence is generally either denounced, ignored, or explained away in the manner of an apologist, treating the belief as more primary than the evidence.

The other important thing to realize is that lacking 100% proof does not make something an assertion. It is still a belief grounded in evidence, as opposed to one that is not. While you may debate the quality of the evidence, it is not held on faith. An atheist who believes that our entire sense of self is only in our brains may not be able to prove his position 100%, but on his side he has a veritable mountain of objective, independently reviewed clinical evidence. Furthermore, there is no logical obligation on his part to consider the idea that souls do exist (at least no more than any other thing that doesn't appear to exist) until such a time as that idea is necessary to explain things.

The religious person is free to think that souls exist, of course, but the reality is that they have absolutely no evidence to back them up.
Not that it matters, and that's the difference between them.
The atheist believes that your personhood is entirely in your brain because we have specific evidence for it.
The atheist does not believe that we have a soul because we do not have specific evidence for it.
The faithful believes that your personhood is in your soul because... well, because that's just what they believe.
Confounding those two vastly different types of belief just causes misunderstandings and misconceptions.

Lastly, with all that said, I agree about your take on fear and ignorance - they often do drive us to great things. But I think you misunderstood what SPST said about what atheists believe. The way I understand it he wasn't saying that atheism itself was a constant, as you argued against, but rather that all the things that atheists believe about the world would be re-discovered as they are known now because they are objective and independent of the people who created the knowledge. With religion, though, if human knowledge and history were erased and reset, we'd end up with a bunch of religions that are different than the ones we have today. There is nothing intrinsic about the universe that our religions are based on that would necessarily lead to the re-creation of Christianity or Zoroastrianism as we know them. New religions would probably have some similar characteristics because of, as you say, our basic wiring. But the specifics would be different because of who created them, where, what circumstances were underlying their founding, etc etc.
 
2012-09-13 03:05:06 AM

Sabyen91: The Southern Dandy: If I were King of America, I'd tell these folks "Thanks! You're the good ones. For that, I'll give you this warning....find a nice place to hide because there are some bombs coming your way. You don't don't kill our diplomats without getting some ordinance in return. Sorry, it's just how we roll."

Maybe Libya will think about providing a little better security for our diplomats when they learn that we're serious about their security.

If I were King of America I would say "See ya Silicon Valley, you are collatoral damage" and then push the button.


An easy way to remember how to spell collateral is by breaking the word into it's discreet components. Co Lateral, and then just add a 'L'. It'll save from future embarrassment. Sometimes just sounding out the word isn't enough.
 
2012-09-13 03:10:50 AM

The Southern Dandy: Sabyen91: The Southern Dandy: If I were King of America, I'd tell these folks "Thanks! You're the good ones. For that, I'll give you this warning....find a nice place to hide because there are some bombs coming your way. You don't don't kill our diplomats without getting some ordinance in return. Sorry, it's just how we roll."

Maybe Libya will think about providing a little better security for our diplomats when they learn that we're serious about their security.

If I were King of America I would say "See ya Silicon Valley, you are collatoral damage" and then push the button.

An easy way to remember how to spell collateral is by breaking the word into it's discreet components. Co Lateral, and then just add a 'L'. It'll save from future embarrassment. Sometimes just sounding out the word isn't enough.


Good for you!
 
2012-09-13 03:11:30 AM

spacelord321: Sabyen91: spacelord321: Sabyen91: spacelord321: Ready-set: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Ready-set: Action>Words.

Proof, arrests, trials, convictions. That's the only way. Otherwise there will be more boots than the group of Marines already on their way over.

So, then, you, and all the other teahadis baying for Libyan blood, will be willing to:

* enlist, if you are able, and
* support and pay the taxes needed to pay for yet another war with the Scary Mooselimbs,

right? Right?

Why tea? Is that a straw man argument? I'm mostly libertarian. Everyone do what they want unless it hurts others.

Embassy grounds are officially the land of the country represented. These perps invaded US soil and killed US citizens. It's ok to let the blood boil a bit when that happens. Innocent men killed by a large mob. Justice, then healing. Imagine it was your father over there, murdered for something he didn't do. ACT.

If it were my father I still would not subject whole nations of people to war to satisfy my hurt.

Buy the ticket... take the ride.

You don't get it. If it were your father it should be all out war. Don't you love your father?

I love all people. They color my world. Especially my enemies... in RED.

Not you. I know you know. You know?

No. Father hater! I am disgusted that you wouldn't kill millions of people. Very disappointed.

I'll try harder?


READ the Boobies: Proof, arrests, trials, convictions. Are you stupid? Or a Republican?

These are not acts of war. It's policing and trial. Derpy derp, jags. But the US needs to be involved. Start those pretend fights somewhere else.

/Sharp knees, would not date, tell by the pixels, etc.
 
2012-09-13 03:17:22 AM

Degenz: yea well, me and my friends will send you some pics of us Americans drinking beer and holding up stupid placards while being sorry for looking at all those pictures of you dead Libyans after we bomb the f*ck out you. will that make it better?


When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.


Degenz: oh wait, Obama is a big pacifist pussy afraid to use American force on terrorists.


I'm glad Obama is cutting military spending and trying to use other tools in the box besides the giant iron hammer we spend a huge proportion of our money polishing every year. There are better solutions to problems than throwing bombs at them, but noooo, JimBob McJingoDouche would rather send his and his neighbors kids off to war to splatter innocent civilians who sympathize with us than look like a "pacifist pussy".

Sadly, that's the sort of juvenile attitude that presidential candidates, especially Republican ones, seem happy to cater to. Pathetic.
 
2012-09-13 03:19:06 AM

Ready-set: spacelord321: Sabyen91: spacelord321: Sabyen91: spacelord321: Ready-set: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Ready-set: Action>Words.

Proof, arrests, trials, convictions. That's the only way. Otherwise there will be more boots than the group of Marines already on their way over.

So, then, you, and all the other teahadis baying for Libyan blood, will be willing to:

* enlist, if you are able, and
* support and pay the taxes needed to pay for yet another war with the Scary Mooselimbs,

right? Right?

Why tea? Is that a straw man argument? I'm mostly libertarian. Everyone do what they want unless it hurts others.

Embassy grounds are officially the land of the country represented. These perps invaded US soil and killed US citizens. It's ok to let the blood boil a bit when that happens. Innocent men killed by a large mob. Justice, then healing. Imagine it was your father over there, murdered for something he didn't do. ACT.

If it were my father I still would not subject whole nations of people to war to satisfy my hurt.

Buy the ticket... take the ride.

You don't get it. If it were your father it should be all out war. Don't you love your father?

I love all people. They color my world. Especially my enemies... in RED.

Not you. I know you know. You know?

No. Father hater! I am disgusted that you wouldn't kill millions of people. Very disappointed.

I'll try harder?

READ the Boobies: Proof, arrests, trials, convictions. Are you stupid? Or a Republican?

These are not acts of war. It's policing and trial. Derpy derp, jags. But the US needs to be involved. Start those pretend fights somewhere else.

/Sharp knees, would not date, tell by the pixels, etc.


Check your sarcasm meter.
 
2012-09-13 03:20:55 AM

Ready-set: spacelord321: Sabyen91: spacelord321: Sabyen91: spacelord321: Ready-set: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Ready-set: Action>Words.

Proof, arrests, trials, convictions. That's the only way. Otherwise there will be more boots than the group of Marines already on their way over.

So, then, you, and all the other teahadis baying for Libyan blood, will be willing to:

* enlist, if you are able, and
* support and pay the taxes needed to pay for yet another war with the Scary Mooselimbs,

right? Right?

Why tea? Is that a straw man argument? I'm mostly libertarian. Everyone do what they want unless it hurts others.

Embassy grounds are officially the land of the country represented. These perps invaded US soil and killed US citizens. It's ok to let the blood boil a bit when that happens. Innocent men killed by a large mob. Justice, then healing. Imagine it was your father over there, murdered for something he didn't do. ACT.

If it were my father I still would not subject whole nations of people to war to satisfy my hurt.

Buy the ticket... take the ride.

You don't get it. If it were your father it should be all out war. Don't you love your father?

I love all people. They color my world. Especially my enemies... in RED.

Not you. I know you know. You know?

No. Father hater! I am disgusted that you wouldn't kill millions of people. Very disappointed.

I'll try harder?

READ the Boobies: Proof, arrests, trials, convictions. Are you stupid? Or a Republican?

These are not acts of war. It's policing and trial. Derpy derp, jags. But the US needs to be involved. Start those pretend fights somewhere else.

/Sharp knees, would not date, tell by the pixels, etc.


Oh no wait. You were serious. Let me laugh harder.
 
2012-09-13 03:29:02 AM

spacelord321: Ready-set: spacelord321: Sabyen91: spacelord321: Sabyen91: spacelord321: Ready-set: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Ready-set: Action>Words.

Proof, arrests, trials, convictions. That's the only way. Otherwise there will be more boots than the group of Marines already on their way over.

So, then, you, and all the other teahadis baying for Libyan blood, will be willing to:

* enlist, if you are able, and
* support and pay the taxes needed to pay for yet another war with the Scary Mooselimbs,

right? Right?

Why tea? Is that a straw man argument? I'm mostly libertarian. Everyone do what they want unless it hurts others.

Embassy grounds are officially the land of the country represented. These perps invaded US soil and killed US citizens. It's ok to let the blood boil a bit when that happens. Innocent men killed by a large mob. Justice, then healing. Imagine it was your father over there, murdered for something he didn't do. ACT.

If it were my father I still would not subject whole nations of people to war to satisfy my hurt.

Buy the ticket... take the ride.

You don't get it. If it were your father it should be all out war. Don't you love your father?

I love all people. They color my world. Especially my enemies... in RED.

Not you. I know you know. You know?

No. Father hater! I am disgusted that you wouldn't kill millions of people. Very disappointed.

I'll try harder?

READ the Boobies: Proof, arrests, trials, convictions. Are you stupid? Or a Republican?

These are not acts of war. It's policing and trial. Derpy derp, jags. But the US needs to be involved. Start those pretend fights somewhere else.

/Sharp knees, would not date, tell by the pixels, etc.

Oh no wait. You were serious. Let me laugh harder.


In retrospect, you didn't condone war, so I put words in your mouth. Sorry for that. I, personally, just don't give a rats ass who's father he was. The moment he chose to represent the government, he is no longer innocent to said governments enemies.
 
2012-09-13 03:49:59 AM

RodneyToady: St_Francis_P: They probably don't claim to be fluent in English.

Tea Partiers would probably claim to "speak American" rather than "speak English."


They get the spelling wrong in American as well. Maybe they speak shiat-for-brains? Then their spelling is just fine.
 
2012-09-13 04:00:57 AM
The truth is all that matters Link

//Buthurt as far as the eye can see.
 
2012-09-13 04:06:02 AM

MindStalker: Was someone handing out the Pehavior sign or were they just handing it around. Its strange how it kept showing up.

[s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 850x563]


Most likely one person with rudimentary English skills wrote the message on a white board for others with no English to copy.
 
2012-09-13 04:11:36 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: JerseyTim: So, umm... Here is the moderate Muslim outrage?

Yes. All 30 of them.

Forgive me if a handful of people with signs doesn't assuage the pain and anger over the Muslims murdering the ambassador yesterday.


Alleged Muslims. Those who did the murdering are about as Muslim as the Christian Taliban in the US is Christian.

MINOs - Muslim in name only
CINOs = Christian in name only
 
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