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2012-09-12 09:21:10 PM

doglover: Buffet: "He's quiet. He don't say nothing to nobody. He goes to work, come home. He very seldom talks, so I don't know. I don't believe he raped nobody. It ain't his type," Scott said.

Can anyone translate that into English?

"Nice guy in wheel chair hired a whore, whore's lying." is the gist of what the neighbor's communicating.

Personally, I don't see how you can't parse it yourself. I grew up where the accent was so opaque you didn't need sunscreen.


Thanks to everyone for the help. To make matters worse, I was born and raised in Kentucky - and I can't decipher a great deal of what I hear every day. It's almost like a different dialect? Hells bells, I can often understand the mexicans around here better than the 'Americans'!!
Not kidding.
 
2012-09-12 09:24:09 PM

Just another Heartland Weirdass: Give him the chair.


A newer model with more chrome and better mileage, hopefully.
 
2012-09-12 09:24:18 PM

Dr_Gene: Transubstantive: Although colloquially we consider rape to mean unwanted sexual intercourse (some people would go so far as to add 'use of force' to the meaning), the laws in most states are broader and include any object penetrating a person's anus or vagina.

[mlkshk.com image 561x370]

My physician stuck an object (his finger) up my anus, and it wasn't exactly wanted... did he rape me in most states?

/or just the state of confusion?


Was this your Doctor?

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-12 09:24:41 PM

Vector R: "A lady that cleans a residence for a gentleman that's in a wheelchair reported that she was raped by the gentleman that she works for and a friend or associate of his," OKC Police Capt.Dexter Nelson said.

Important part bolded. Also, I must admit this gentleman from across the street is quite persuasive:

"She wasn't cleaning nothing. She wasn't cleaning nothing. She wasn't no cleaning lady. Ten o'clock at night? Over there cleaning? Right," Scott said.

So this should now become a maid fetish thread.


FTA: "He said the women were not dressed for cleaning and he doesn't believe Moaning would commit such a horrible crime. "

hmmmmm
 
2012-09-12 09:26:52 PM

Indubitably: Indubitably: Rape is unacceptable.

P.S. Did you get that?


You can calm down now, Dub. With all the crap happening in the news lately, I think we need to find ways to share some laughs. And quite frankly, this is the kind of thing George Carlin would have joked about.

And if I may play Devil's advocate for a moment. From what I've seen, there's no evidence a rape took place, outside of her saying so. One of the neighbors even implies she's a hooker. So, if she is indeed lying in order to get back at a John that didn't like her prices, it sounds to me as if she just raped his livelyhood. Should there not be consequences for that, or is it only unacceptable if it's physical?
 
2012-09-12 09:29:29 PM

chaosweaver: Indubitably: Indubitably: Rape is unacceptable.

P.S. Did you get that?

You can calm down now, Dub. With all the crap happening in the news lately, I think we need to find ways to share some laughs. And quite frankly, this is the kind of thing George Carlin would have joked about.

And if I may play Devil's advocate for a moment. From what I've seen, there's no evidence a rape took place, outside of her saying so. One of the neighbors even implies she's a hooker. So, if she is indeed lying in order to get back at a John that didn't like her prices, it sounds to me as if she just raped his livelyhood. Should there not be consequences for that, or is it only unacceptable if it's physical?


How you call me Dub?

Mr. President?
 
2012-09-12 09:31:09 PM
How about Indy?
 
2012-09-12 09:34:25 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Dr_Gene: Transubstantive: Although colloquially we consider rape to mean unwanted sexual intercourse (some people would go so far as to add 'use of force' to the meaning), the laws in most states are broader and include any object penetrating a person's anus or vagina.

[mlkshk.com image 561x370]

My physician stuck an object (his finger) up my anus, and it wasn't exactly wanted... did he rape me in most states?

/or just the state of confusion?

Was this your Doctor?

[i.imgur.com image 240x149]


Yeah! Looks just like 'im... except my Doctor has four fingers on each hand. And is skinny. And no moustache. And lighter hair. And is older. And does't wear a tie. Or lab jacket. And has a different style of stethoscope. But yeah, it could be him!

/and, I don't wear my balls under my chin.
 
2012-09-12 09:34:47 PM

chaosweaver: How about Indy?


*grimace*
 
2012-09-12 09:36:16 PM
static.guim.co.uk 
/hot like your pocket
 
2012-09-12 09:40:19 PM

Indubitably: chaosweaver: How about Indy?

*grimace*


Come on, you need a reason to break out the whip, once in a while, right?
 
2012-09-12 09:45:42 PM
For some reason I don't buy that woman's story.
 
2012-09-12 09:46:27 PM

Nezorf: Vector R: "A lady that cleans a residence for a gentleman that's in a wheelchair reported that she was raped by the gentleman that she works for and a friend or associate of his," OKC Police Capt.Dexter Nelson said.

Important part bolded. Also, I must admit this gentleman from across the street is quite persuasive:

"She wasn't cleaning nothing. She wasn't cleaning nothing. She wasn't no cleaning lady. Ten o'clock at night? Over there cleaning? Right," Scott said.

So this should now become a maid fetish thread.

FTA: "He said the women were not dressed for cleaning and he doesn't believe Moaning would commit such a horrible crime. "

hmmmmm


Hookers. She probably didn't want to go cowgirl.

That or he has an inflatible wanger and a very helpful friend.
 
2012-09-12 09:50:01 PM

Dr_Gene: Transubstantive: Although colloquially we consider rape to mean unwanted sexual intercourse (some people would go so far as to add 'use of force' to the meaning), the laws in most states are broader and include any object penetrating a person's anus or vagina.

[mlkshk.com image 561x370]

My physician stuck an object (his finger) up my anus, and it wasn't exactly wanted... did he rape me in most states?

/or just the state of confusion?


I know you are just being a dick, but you implied (and probably explicitly expressed) consent for your prostate exam.
 
2012-09-12 09:56:08 PM

MattyBlast: If I were him, I wouldn't stand for such ludicrous accusations.


Well done, sir.
 
2012-09-12 10:00:03 PM

chaosweaver: Indubitably: Indubitably: Rape is unacceptable.

P.S. Did you get that?

You can calm down now, Dub. With all the crap happening in the news lately, I think we need to find ways to share some laughs. And quite frankly, this is the kind of thing George Carlin would have joked about.

And if I may play Devil's advocate for a moment. From what I've seen, there's no evidence a rape took place, outside of her saying so. One of the neighbors even implies she's a hooker. So, if she is indeed lying in order to get back at a John that didn't like her prices, it sounds to me as if she just raped his livelyhood. Should there not be consequences for that, or is it only unacceptable if it's physical?


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2012-09-12 10:06:06 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: chaosweaver: Indubitably: Indubitably: Rape is unacceptable.

P.S. Did you get that?

You can calm down now, Dub. With all the crap happening in the news lately, I think we need to find ways to share some laughs. And quite frankly, this is the kind of thing George Carlin would have joked about.

And if I may play Devil's advocate for a moment. From what I've seen, there's no evidence a rape took place, outside of her saying so. One of the neighbors even implies she's a hooker. So, if she is indeed lying in order to get back at a John that didn't like her prices, it sounds to me as if she just raped his livelyhood. Should there not be consequences for that, or is it only unacceptable if it's physical?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


So why is he being held if there is no evidence? If she is lying she should get her ass kicked.
 
2012-09-12 10:08:53 PM

Nezorf: Rape doesn't need a penis.


And we're done here.
 
2012-09-12 10:12:16 PM

quizzical: Nezorf: Rape doesn't need a penis.

And we're done here.


But it's oh so much funner with one!
 
2012-09-12 10:13:49 PM

NightOwl2255: quizzical: Nezorf: Rape doesn't need a penis.

And we're done here.

But it's oh so much funner with one!


And if it's a clown penis, well...
 
2012-09-12 10:17:08 PM
FTA: The victim told police she was able to escape the home because her cell phone rang and she told the men her friends were there to pick her up.

That seems likely.
 
2012-09-12 10:19:05 PM

FirstNationalBastard: NightOwl2255: quizzical: Nezorf: Rape doesn't need a penis.

And we're done here.

But it's oh so much funner with one!

And if it's a clown penis, well...


It's farking hilarious?
 
2012-09-12 10:21:37 PM
Man that WHO is paralyzed from the waist down is accused of rape.

Call me a Grammar-(whatever), but that one drives me batpoop.
 
2012-09-12 10:23:27 PM

NightOwl2255: FirstNationalBastard: NightOwl2255: quizzical: Nezorf: Rape doesn't need a penis.

And we're done here.

But it's oh so much funner with one!

And if it's a clown penis, well...

It's farking hilarious?


Especially if it shoots a neverending handkerchief, or seltzer.
 
2012-09-12 10:35:57 PM

Nezorf: Rape doesn't need a penis.


And we're done.
 
2012-09-12 10:37:51 PM

fjnorton: So he mushed it in?


We call it "giving the dog a bath".
 
2012-09-12 10:58:36 PM
I'm guessing that she was an escort, they disagreed on price and she reported it as a rape.
 
2012-09-12 11:09:03 PM

Sachlpch: But was it legitimate rape?


No. It was invalid rape.
 
2012-09-12 11:10:14 PM

titwrench: fjnorton: So he mushed it in?

We call it "giving the dog a bath".


Here it's called "putting a marshmallow into a coin slot."
 
2012-09-12 11:13:52 PM

Dr_Gene: My physician stuck an object (his finger) up my anus, and it wasn't exactly wanted... did he rape me in most states?


It depends upon how naughty you were and whether you deserved it...
 
2012-09-12 11:14:50 PM

Loucifer: FTA: The victim told police she was able to escape the home because her cell phone rang and she told the men her friends were there to pick her up.

That seems likely.


Don't you hate it when hookers overbook and try to leave early?
 
2012-09-12 11:49:01 PM

UsikFark: Loucifer: FTA: The victim told police she was able to escape the home because her cell phone rang and she told the men her friends were there to pick her up.

That seems likely.

Don't you hate it when hookers overbook and try to leave early?


The ones who watch the clock and use tricks to cheat you out of time are invariably so bad that you want them to leave early.
 
2012-09-13 12:26:54 AM

ladyfortuna: Nezorf has it.

Also while it may be reported he is paralyzed, that doesn't mean he actually IS completely... lots of disabled people, with wheelchairs, still have sex lives so I hear.


Not to mention the article mentions 2 men, so he had help (allegedly).
 
2012-09-13 12:39:05 AM
Man that who is paralyzed from the waist down is accused of rape

FTFY
 
2012-09-13 12:40:03 AM

UsikFark: Loucifer: FTA: The victim told police she was able to escape the home because her cell phone rang and she told the men her friends were there to pick her up.

That seems likely.

Don't you hate it when hookers overbook and try to leave early?


If all she had to say was that her friends were there(which can be easily proven with a look out the window) she didn't 'escape' shiat.
 
2012-09-13 12:46:09 AM
Oh, and Abbey, many accused of rape are arrested and held while evidence is collected. Rape has always been one of those guilty until proven innocent crimes. Don't like someone, say they raped you, even when it can't be proven, he's still been crucified by the media and raped by his cellmate.

Hooray for hyper demonization.
 
2012-09-13 12:50:30 AM
Am I the only one who heard this and immediately thought the guy raped her with an object out of rage from feeling impotent because of the paralysis?

Like, guy hires prostitute, but doesn't plan on doing anything consensual, just wants to feel powerful again by breaking someone else.

/too much SVU
 
2012-09-13 12:56:13 AM

doloresonthedottedline: Am I the only one who heard this and immediately thought the guy raped her with an object out of rage from feeling impotent because of the paralysis?

Like, guy hires prostitute, but doesn't plan on doing anything consensual, just wants to feel powerful again by breaking someone else.

/too much SVU


Time to switch to Matlock, Dolores.
 
2012-09-13 12:57:34 AM
I'm not even mad, i'm impressed.
 
2012-09-13 01:33:56 AM

chaosweaver: doloresonthedottedline: Am I the only one who heard this and immediately thought the guy raped her with an object out of rage from feeling impotent because of the paralysis?

Like, guy hires prostitute, but doesn't plan on doing anything consensual, just wants to feel powerful again by breaking someone else.

/too much SVU

Time to switch to Matlock, Dolores.


I say keep her on this. She could build quite a following doing true-crime fiction if she works at it.

"Roughly he grabbed her heaving shoulders, shoving her down onto the bed and..."
 
2012-09-13 02:12:04 AM

chaosweaver: Oh, and Abbey, many accused of rape are arrested and held while evidence is collected. Rape has always been one of those guilty until proven innocent crimes. Don't like someone, say they raped you, even when it can't be proven, he's still been crucified by the media and raped by his cellmate.

Hooray for hyper demonization.



Uh, well, I'm not really sure how the perception of rape, or the stigma of being a rapist, can ever be worse than being raped, so I'm not sure how hyper-demonized it is.

I *am* a bit unsure of why we're OK with the justice system releasing the names of people who've been arrested. There's a public interest in disseminating names and descriptions of wanted fugitives, but ... is there a reason to believe wheelchair guy or his Moaning neighbor are serial rapists?


Bearing in mind that unsubstantiated rape allegations - not false, but unsubstantiated - is something like 11 or 12% of all rape allegations, a lot of the "unsubstantiated" ones don't get prosecuted as filing a false report because it can't be proven that the victim knowingly filed a false report. I see the social value in not pursuing a prosecution of every unsubstantiated rape allegation for a false-claim conviction; a false rape allegation is not as big of a deal as rape.


But it is a big deal, and arresting someone on an allegation with no other evidence - if, in fact, it is the case that there is no other evidence and it is not merely the case that the police failed to disclose or allude to other evidence - seems like an abrogation of 14th Amendment expectation of due process.

I wouldn't have a problem with rape suspects - or suspects of any crime - being charged and held on the sworn testimony of the victim, pending further investigation, evidence-gathering (if you're alleged to have raped somebody with a mop handle, it's in the public interest to dust all your mop handles for finger prints, and if the state needs to charge you with rape in order to get a warrant to confiscate your mop handles, I'm kind of OK with you being held on bail for a day or two) etc - on two conditions:

1.) The DA swears under penalty of perjury to prosecute filing a false report - or whatever legal wrangling needs to be done so the DA takes a personal responsibility - and risks jail time, loss of license, and/or a civil suit from the suspect - for the decision to proceed with a lower standard of evidence. (The Constitution doesn't permit violation of the 4th Amendment because "poppa feels lucky," but if you're willing to bet your career and freedom on a hunch I feel like maybe it should.)
2.) The suspect's name, photo, etc, are not released unless and until the grand jury reviews the DA's "extra" evidence and returns an indictment for the crime. If the GJ returns a lesser indictment or remands the suspect to a lower court, no mention of the higher charge is ever made to the press or maybe even entered into public record. All records of that earlier evidence is kept and can be subpoenaed by the victim or the suspect in case one or both try to write tell-all books and someone wants to sue someone to shut everybody the hell up.


Total nonsense, never happen, but I feel like we could resolve a lot of the controversial "he-said, she-said" cases if we made something like the "cut the baby in half" thing a formal part of judicial principle.
 
2012-09-13 02:35:32 AM

DataShade: chaosweaver: Oh, and Abbey, many accused of rape are arrested and held while evidence is collected. Rape has always been one of those guilty until proven innocent crimes. Don't like someone, say they raped you, even when it can't be proven, he's still been crucified by the media and raped by his cellmate.

Hooray for hyper demonization.


Uh, well, I'm not really sure how the perception of rape, or the stigma of being a rapist, can ever be worse than being raped, so I'm not sure how hyper-demonized it is.

I *am* a bit unsure of why we're OK with the justice system releasing the names of people who've been arrested. There's a public interest in disseminating names and descriptions of wanted fugitives, but ... is there a reason to believe wheelchair guy or his Moaning neighbor are serial rapists?


Bearing in mind that unsubstantiated rape allegations - not false, but unsubstantiated - is something like 11 or 12% of all rape allegations, a lot of the "unsubstantiated" ones don't get prosecuted as filing a false report because it can't be proven that the victim knowingly filed a false report. I see the social value in not pursuing a prosecution of every unsubstantiated rape allegation for a false-claim conviction; a false rape allegation is not as big of a deal as rape.


But it is a big deal, and arresting someone on an allegation with no other evidence - if, in fact, it is the case that there is no other evidence and it is not merely the case that the police failed to disclose or allude to other evidence - seems like an abrogation of 14th Amendment expectation of due process.

I wouldn't have a problem with rape suspects - or suspects of any crime - being charged and held on the sworn testimony of the victim, pending further investigation, evidence-gathering (if you're alleged to have raped somebody with a mop handle, it's in the public interest to dust all your mop handles for finger prints, and if the state needs to charge you with rape in order to get a warra ...


I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2012-09-13 02:49:03 AM

Solstice: I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.



Sincerely: thank you. But ... why would you, when this guy already does it better?
 
2012-09-13 04:01:40 AM

ShannonKW: chaosweaver: doloresonthedottedline: Am I the only one who heard this and immediately thought the guy raped her with an object out of rage from feeling impotent because of the paralysis?

Like, guy hires prostitute, but doesn't plan on doing anything consensual, just wants to feel powerful again by breaking someone else.

/too much SVU

Time to switch to Matlock, Dolores.

I say keep her on this. She could build quite a following doing true-crime fiction if she works at it.

"Roughly he grabbed her heaving shoulders, shoving her down onto the bed and..."


Try Criminal Minds, it's a truly excellent show, complete with FBI consultants. It's also far more disturbing than most criminal procedure shows.

Also, Fark Criminal Experts, as I understand it, sex workers are sexually assaulted at least as often as 'normal' people, probably more so because they live a dangerous lifestyle. Stop pretending prostitutes like to fake rape accusations just because it makes you uncomfortable to think it actually happens to them as a side effect of their occupation.
 
2012-09-13 04:10:47 AM
Sound like illegitimate rape - we shall have to wait to find out if she gets pregnant...
 
2012-09-13 04:43:16 AM

Indubitably: G.I.R.B.: Indubitably: Mr. Potatoass: Nezorf: Rape doesn't need a penis.

Transgendered clown rape > Penis rape > Non-penis rape

Bottom-line: Rape is unacceptable.

How about illegitimate rape?

Rape is unacceptable.


Well, if the biatch would just accept the cock, it wouldn't be rape...
 
2012-09-13 04:44:47 AM

ladyfortuna: Also, Fark Criminal Experts, as I understand it, sex workers are sexually assaulted at least as often as 'normal' people, probably more so because they live a dangerous lifestyle. Stop pretending prostitutes like to fake rape accusations just because it makes you uncomfortable to think it actually happens to them as a side effect of their occupation.


She's not gonna give you a discount...
 
2012-09-13 05:26:51 AM

ladyfortuna: Stop pretending prostitutes like to fake rape accusations


Less than the idea that they like to make false accusations, what I think you're seeing in this thread is the uncomfortable thought that if one did hire a prostitute, and she was either a scammer or a dispute arose, a false accusation would put the customer in a difficult position. Fearing a man with a bundle of dynamite is not an assertion that he likes to blow things up.

In this particular case the likelihood of rape seems absurdly low at first glance because the accused is crippled, and most are responding to that without considering the able-bodied man who was also present.

In the absence of evidence a reasonable person would be more skeptical of a claim of rape coming from a prostitute than some lady who went on a date. The reason is that we wouldn't assume an ordinary woman wants sex from the mere act of meeting a man, whereas prostitutes have no reason to go with customers they don't intend to fark -- unless they're up to something. If she didn't intend to fark those guys, she had no reason to step through the door. True, she might have changed her mind, in which case it absolutely would be rape, though devilishly difficult to prove.

Going out on a limb (you may disagree) I'd guess that if you had a friend whose boyfriend called her out on a "date," and she came back complaining of rape, you'd believe her. But if she was invited over for a "threesome with me and Doug", and she came back claiming rape, it would sound a bit iffy to you.
 
2012-09-13 06:34:35 AM

Novart: I like how there's no evidence that anything even happened, yet he's in jail-


Jail =/= Prison.

Novart: and is now a national news story.


Oh come on now, how could the national media ignore the chance to blow peoples' little minds with this?

Novart: Nice legal system.


State-controlled media is a good thing now? My god. China was right all along...
 
2012-09-13 09:36:54 AM
It's who...Not that.
 
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