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(Talking Points Memo)   Putin "grateful to Romney" for helping to maintain the Cold War era image of America as Russia's main enemy   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 31
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2012-09-12 04:43:08 PM
12 votes:

Diogenes: vpb: Romney's supporters want it that way anyway, so no big deal.

Bingo.

Not only are they stuck in "red threat" mentality, a new arms race with Russia will do wonders for defense contractors.


This is about the point where McCain lost my support last go around. The Ossetian Crisis had been building for some time. In fairness, the Ossetians were the ones who invited the assistance of the Bolsheviks back in the day, because the Georgians were starting up a push to remove them from their homes, just take their land, and fill ditches with their corpses. The USSR kept that in check, and when the USSR broke up, and Georgia was granted autonomy, the Russians kept a piece of Ossetia, and granted a good number of them dual citizenship--thinking that if there were a bunch of Russian citizens running around, the Georgians might think twice about trying to clean the area out again. Especially with so many Ossetians still working across the border, and with families there as well.

Didn't work out so well, and when the Georgians eventually got to the gumption to renew the old arguments and make moves on the turf again, they were apparently heartened by the resistance, thinking that they could turn it into a beef that they could then roll on. Crazy terrorists and all. Up until they started rolling tanks onto civilians. The UN was still dithering, and McCain was making mutterings about the Evil Empire. Never mind ethnic cleansing. Never mind using the military to clear out civilians. Never mind tanks and government land seizures, and again a UN working on crafting some strongly worded letters, and a US Administration that seemed none too concerned. So, while there was posturing and quibbling and grand statements made, the Russians rolled tanks out against the Georgian tanks to put an end to that sh*t.

And you know what? They were right. They did so to protect folks who had dual citizenship, and to protect their borders, and stop ethnic cleansing before it got a good swing. And what did McCain do? He sided with the folks who rolling tanks onto their civilians.

If things go slideways with Syria and Iran, we will NEED the Russians' support. It's their backyard and sphere of influence. They have the most to lose with instability as well as military action crossing borders so close to their own. They historically have some reason to be leery of Europeans and others massing near their borders. They have a history to back up their nervousness.

Russia is not a perfect society, and they've got their nuts, they've got their own corruption, and they have their own issues, but they are still a fairly new nation state, that inherited a LOT from the Cold War era, and if we are to ever get away from that, we are going to have to make inroads with them. We made friends with Germany and Japan. We invested heavily in those relationships, and both nations are now some of our staunchest allies and trading partners. It's time to move past the myth, and build something new, and Romney's trading on that myth does us, nor them, and service...
2012-09-12 05:34:15 PM
4 votes:
I know I'm dating myself, but I haven't seen a campaign run this badly since Mondale/Ferraro. Weak candidates, no sense of direction, rhetoric tripping over itself every other day, and more gaffes than the Biden family reunion.

This is what happens when your party is so split between traditional "small-c" conservatives and reactionary teabaggers that you can't even create a cohesive national agenda or a consistent message. It's no wonder RMoney is all over the scale on the issues. He's like a teenager trying to please both parents while they hammer out who gets custody in the divorce.

On one hand, I'm very pleased that there's really no practical model that shows a chance of him winning, but on the other hand I think it would be nice to have a viable candidate who can at least elevate the dialogue on major policy issues and broaden the idea pool. He'd never admit it, but I suspect Obama feels the same way. He strikes me as someone who'd rather have his ideas intelligently challenged so they can be reinforced or refined as needed, instead of having no true political counterpart worth even listening to.
2012-09-12 01:54:51 PM
4 votes:
Nice farking work, Mittens.

Re-ignite the cold war, you farking novice.
2012-09-12 05:16:17 PM
3 votes:

Gyrfalcon: hubiestubert: Diogenes: vpb: Romney's supporters want it that way anyway, so no big deal.

Bingo.

Not only are they stuck in "red threat" mentality, a new arms race with Russia will do wonders for defense contractors.

This is about the point where McCain lost my support last go around. The Ossetian Crisis had been building for some time. In fairness, the Ossetians were the ones who invited the assistance of the Bolsheviks back in the day, because the Georgians were starting up a push to remove them from their homes, just take their land, and fill ditches with their corpses. The USSR kept that in check, and when the USSR broke up, and Georgia was granted autonomy, the Russians kept a piece of Ossetia, and granted a good number of them dual citizenship--thinking that if there were a bunch of Russian citizens running around, the Georgians might think twice about trying to clean the area out again. Especially with so many Ossetians still working across the border, and with families there as well.

Didn't work out so well, and when the Georgians eventually got to the gumption to renew the old arguments and make moves on the turf again, they were apparently heartened by the resistance, thinking that they could turn it into a beef that they could then roll on. Crazy terrorists and all. Up until they started rolling tanks onto civilians. The UN was still dithering, and McCain was making mutterings about the Evil Empire. Never mind ethnic cleansing. Never mind using the military to clear out civilians. Never mind tanks and government land seizures, and again a UN working on crafting some strongly worded letters, and a US Administration that seemed none too concerned. So, while there was posturing and quibbling and grand statements made, the Russians rolled tanks out against the Georgian tanks to put an end to that sh*t.

And you know what? They were right. They did so to protect folks who had dual citizenship, and to protect their borders, and stop ethnic cleansing before ...


Seriously, hubie - I'm thinking we should run you.

And McCain is still holding on. Just look at the speech he delivered at the RNC. Both he and Romney and the people who agree with them never, ever look at the intricacies of these relationships. It's foreign policy and diplomacy dictated by stereotypes. No regard for the history of those people, no regard for how the geopolitics fit together, no regard for long term consequences, and all the while eschewing the notion that we can't intervene and/or be at war with every country that does not behave to our liking.
2012-09-12 01:56:27 PM
3 votes:
All of Romney's statements should be given with the disclaimer "This is paid advertising and does not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of the United States."
2012-09-12 05:11:34 PM
2 votes:

lennavan: "The most important thing for us is that even if he doesn't win now, he or a person with similar views may come to power in four years. We must take that into consideration while dealing with security issues for a long perspective," he said, speaking after a meeting with Serbian President Tomislav Nikolic, according to Interfax news agency.

Holy farking shiat. This would be hilarious if it didn't come with huge national security implications.


It's classic Russian pragmatism.

That someone as farking stupid as Romney could possibly be considered a serious candidate is absolutely a geopolitical threat to Russia.
2012-09-12 03:43:29 PM
2 votes:

vpb: Romney's supporters want it that way anyway, so no big deal.


Bingo.

Not only are they stuck in "red threat" mentality, a new arms race with Russia will do wonders for defense contractors.
2012-09-12 03:09:41 PM
2 votes:
I'm glad Romney wants to increase military spending even more than the Pentagon wants it expanded, because if he's president, we're going to need it.
2012-09-13 06:40:51 AM
1 votes:
It's Romney's foreign policy team.

It's comprised of the exact same PNAC Neocons who led Bush into Iraq.

They aren't interested in the safety of the United States; they are interested in re-shaping the Middle East for the benefit of Israel.

They're the ones filling Mitt's empty brain with this nonsense.

Putin has a habit of denying globalists, oligarchs and Zionists the things they want. This makes him "our" number one geopolitical foe.

A vote for the Neocon puppet Romney is a vote for war with Iran.

Look at him jumping-the-gun yesterday on the Egyptian embassy statement and attributing the violence to Obama's purported weakness.

If what happened yesterday had happened with Romney as President, the bombs would have been falling on Tehran before lunch.
2012-09-12 06:42:11 PM
1 votes:

Coco LaFemme: HOW THE FARK IS THIS MAN GOING TO GET 48% OF THE VOTE IN NOVEMBER?! HOW?!


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2012-09-12 06:33:10 PM
1 votes:
A Romney administration will get us another war. With whom, and whether it'll be on purpose or on accident, are the only questions.
2012-09-12 05:44:24 PM
1 votes:
Today isn't even over. Let's watch.
2012-09-12 05:39:37 PM
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: They've managed to find someone more clueless an inept than Condi to speak about foreign policy.


To be fair, Condi started to sound a helluva lot smarter once she no longer had to publicly back her boss's positions and was able to give her own opinions as a private citizen.
2012-09-12 05:38:36 PM
1 votes:
Jesus Christ Romney is so farking embarrassing to me just as an American. I can't imagine how the republicans feel.
2012-09-12 05:31:04 PM
1 votes:

missiv: Mitt Romney is turning out to be Frank Burns.


The love child of Frank Burns and Monty Burns.
2012-09-12 05:29:03 PM
1 votes:
This ought to make the teahead party heads asplode, "Commies endorse Romney"
2012-09-12 05:21:25 PM
1 votes:
Republicans: So crazy that the mere prospect of them getting elected someday might very well start Cold War II.

Thanks a lot you wingnut farks.
2012-09-12 05:19:51 PM
1 votes:
[condescending wonka.jpg]

Tell me more about Obama's horrible foreign policy credentials, Mitt.
2012-09-12 05:19:29 PM
1 votes:

Maud Dib: This kinda sums up today.

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It's almost time to go drink some beer. A lot of beer.


Today has been like watching a football game where the defending champs are up 56-7, and the fourth quarter hasn't even started yet. It's fun to watch your rival go down in flames, but when it's this bad, you almost feel sorry for its fans.

Almost...
2012-09-12 05:18:28 PM
1 votes:

Diogenes: Seriously, hubie - I'm thinking we should run you.


Oh, and this. I'd vote for him.
2012-09-12 05:17:45 PM
1 votes:
Thank you, Mitt Romney, for bringing back the Cold War. We were so missing the specter of nuclear annihilation hanging over our heads.
2012-09-12 05:10:16 PM
1 votes:
"The most important thing for us is that even if he doesn't win now, he or a person with similar views may come to power in four years. We must take that into consideration while dealing with security issues for a long perspective," he said, speaking after a meeting with Serbian President Tomislav Nikolic, according to Interfax news agency.

Holy farking shiat. This would be hilarious if it didn't come with huge national security implications.
2012-09-12 05:05:27 PM
1 votes:
so there you have it.
Dip Shiat Mitt, he's not even in office & already putting the future of America at risk with his ignorant rants.
2012-09-12 05:05:15 PM
1 votes:
"Thanks for being a right douchebag, it's making it easier for my negotiations with your military and diplomatic officers."
~Putin

Fark you Mittens, Fark you. You have zero understanding of diplomacy, and running for the head of our military, for the seat of chief diplomat.... you are worse than a non-entity. You're actually causing harm to the situation.
2012-09-12 05:05:03 PM
1 votes:

hubiestubert: Mitt's attempts to look Presidential and a policy wonk would be amusing, if he wasn't actually interviewing for the top executive position in our government.

At this point, you have to wonder if he's said, "Screw it, I'm just going to tank this thing, so I can get back to running jobs overseas the old fashioned way..."


I'm really starting to suspect that yes, he is trying to tank the election. That said, he needs to be careful, even as a presidential candidate his words can have international repercussions as with this and the recent Muslim embassy issues.
2012-09-12 04:47:05 PM
1 votes:
"I'm grateful to him (Romney) for formulating his stance so clearly because he has once again proven the correctness of our approach to missile defense problems," Putin told reporters, according to the Russian news agency RIA Novosti.

"The most important thing for us is that even if he doesn't win now, he or a person with similar views may come to power in four years. We must take that into consideration while dealing with security issues for a long perspective,"


The silver lining to Romney screwing any possibility for compromise is now we won't be wasting money deploying the missile defense pork project.
2012-09-12 04:30:20 PM
1 votes:
A community organizer is making the Republican look like a nervous student council president candidate. Suck on that GOP!
2012-09-12 04:28:11 PM
1 votes:
Mitt's attempts to look Presidential and a policy wonk would be amusing, if he wasn't actually interviewing for the top executive position in our government.

At this point, you have to wonder if he's said, "Screw it, I'm just going to tank this thing, so I can get back to running jobs overseas the old fashioned way..."
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2012-09-12 02:54:02 PM
1 votes:
Romney's supporters want it that way anyway, so no big deal.
2012-09-12 02:47:15 PM
1 votes:

sweetmelissa31: Russia's President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday said he was "grateful" to Mitt Romney for saying Russia remained the United States' "No. 1 geopolitical foe" because the remark actually helped Putin in missile defense negotiations

Can you even imagine if Putin said that about Obama? There would already be commercials all over the country about it. Actually I'm sure Mitt and his friends can somehow make the quote as is into an Obama attack ad.


I seem to recall the entire GOP screaming bloody murder because Pelosi was taking an international trip and they were demanding she be muzzled because she MIGHT influence international standing.

Mitt is actually helping Russia against the United States, which I suppose is just normal for him to help every other country besides his own.
2012-09-12 02:18:51 PM
1 votes:
Good job, dumbshiat.
 
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