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2012-09-12 05:06:39 PM  

mark12A: Too little. Too late.

It is better to be feared than loved, and right now the Arab world does not fear us.

They should be made to fear us.


I remember a certain guy on a podium saying something similar; could only read the subtitles since my German was rusty.
 
2012-09-12 05:07:08 PM  

sprawl15: georgeyporgey: what makes you think that these people are going to help us ? Have our back ?

Which people?


GIS for 'these people'

thechive.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-12 05:07:42 PM  

GAT_00: vpb: If Obama is going to be droneing fundy fanatics, why not send a few to Gainsville and take out that ignorant redneck preacher?

Like we need to pick targets in Gainesville. Wait, I take that back. I can't remember if a friend of mine moved there or Tallahassee.


wait till I get off work

/in gainesville
 
2012-09-12 05:08:07 PM  

Rwa2play: mark12A: Too little. Too late.

It is better to be feared than loved, and right now the Arab world does not fear us.

They should be made to fear us.

I remember a certain guy on a podium saying something similar; could only read the subtitles since my German was rusty.


He got it from another guy. Really fruity. Called himself a prince.
 
2012-09-12 05:08:14 PM  

Hobodeluxe: [s3.amazonaws.com image 550x367]


"There's a broader lesson to be learned here: Governor Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later and as president one of the things I've learned is you can't do that," Obama told CBS News on Wednesday."It's important for you to make sure that the statements that you make are backed up by the facts and that you've thought through the ramifications before you make them."


obamaletdownwatch.files.wordpress.com

That really was one of the stupidest things Romney has said all week, and that he doubled down on it today is just moronic. Then there is the whole revive the F-22 program. Romney is his own undoeing with his vague policy and decidedly amateur decision making. The debates are going to be awesome.
 
2012-09-12 05:08:43 PM  

Marine1: If we'd just shot one or two of the people invading the compound, the rest of them would have been like, "Fark man, I was just here for the free falafel, I'm going home." and all of this could have been avoided.


You are so tough and everything would have been good if you were there.
 
2012-09-12 05:10:05 PM  

jakomo002: Corvus: But that's not true. Many groups in Libya are denounce these attacks on of the embassy. You are painting them all with a too wide of a brush. The Ambassador was very well like and respected by those in the democracy movement there.

I wholeheartedly agree. Most Libyans are probably shocked and disgusted at what befell the ambassador and those other 3 people.

But that doesn't mean they trust you whatsoever. By "you" I mean the US government.

It'll become clearer as the US sends troops in contrary to the wishes of the Libyan government, which will just make more and more Libyans mad.

I'm telling you, the best way would be to let the Libyans investigate and capture those involved.


I agree and that's what I already said. And people are jumping to conclusions that we are going to use force.
 
2012-09-12 05:10:19 PM  
I'm glad that Obama's withdrawal strategy from Libya has worked so well after the mess George Bush left us.
 
2012-09-12 05:10:22 PM  

mark12A: Too little. Too late.

It is better to be feared than loved, and right now the Arab world does not fear us.

They should be made to fear us.

 

zipmeme.com
 
2012-09-12 05:10:52 PM  

Hobodeluxe: themindiswatching: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I seriously don't understand how President Drone Strike could be considered weak on foreign policy.

It's because he "let the Islamists in" by not stopping the Arab Spring. In other words, bigotry.

so he should have worked with the dictators to crush their people?


Didn't you get the memo? Qaddafi was no longer a terrorist. Bush 43 scared him to death and Condi Rice negotiated with him so that he was now a very good ally of ours.
 
2012-09-12 05:11:03 PM  

I_C_Weener: kbronsito: GilRuiz1: Weeps:
[www.justpeace.net.ph image 298x300]

Obama: There wouldn't be no trouble except for those king-shiat jihadist! They kept pushing Sir.
Nobel Committee: Well you did some pushing on your own Barry.
Obama: They drew first blood, not me.
Nobel Committee: Look Barry, let us come in and get you the hell out of there!
Obama: They drew first blood...


Nobel Committee to Jihadist: If you insist on going in there, then you better remember one thing?
Jihadist: What?
Nobel Committee:  Bring plenty of body bags.


I'm going to unfavorite you so I can favorite you again.
 
2012-09-12 05:11:07 PM  

Marine1: If we'd just shot one or two of the people invading the compound, the rest of them would have been like, "Fark man, I was just here for the free falafel, I'm going home." and all of this could have been avoided.


How do you know we didn't?
 
2012-09-12 05:11:13 PM  

clovis69: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Bartlet: Did you know that two thousand years ago a Roman citizen could walk across the face of the known world free of the fear of molestation? He could walk across the Earth unharmed, cloaked only in the protection of the words civis Romanus

Except that's a bunch of BS.

Caeser was taken hostage by pirates and he damn well was a Roman citizen. The Romans at Teutoburg Forest weren't imune from molestation.


I will give you Teutoburg. And you're right about Bartlet's speech being BS, but Caesar went back, caught and killed the pirates after they ransomed him, like he'd told them he was going to do.

Julius Caesar was a bad-ass. He was sassy too.
 
2012-09-12 05:11:30 PM  

bbfreak: Hobodeluxe: [s3.amazonaws.com image 550x367]


"There's a broader lesson to be learned here: Governor Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later and as president one of the things I've learned is you can't do that," Obama told CBS News on Wednesday."It's important for you to make sure that the statements that you make are backed up by the facts and that you've thought through the ramifications before you make them."

[obamaletdownwatch.files.wordpress.com image 300x270]

That really was one of the stupidest things Romney has said all week, and that he doubled down on it today is just moronic. Then there is the whole revive the F-22 program. Romney is his own undoeing with his vague policy and decidedly amateur decision making. The debates are going to be awesome.


FYI: The first Presidential debate will be on October 3rd and will deal with foreign policy.

/already ordering my bags of popcorn
 
2012-09-12 05:11:58 PM  
i thought we had marines at our embasseys
 
2012-09-12 05:12:04 PM  

bartink: Marine1: If we'd just shot one or two of the people invading the compound, the rest of them would have been like, "Fark man, I was just here for the free falafel, I'm going home." and all of this could have been avoided.

How do you know we didn't?


Also, you are denigrating Marines, basically calling them pussies. Nice job.
 
2012-09-12 05:12:18 PM  

beta_plus: I'm glad that Obama's withdrawal strategy from Libya has worked so well after the mess George Bush left us.


Another example of the Republican education model, ladies and gentlemen!
 
2012-09-12 05:12:24 PM  
the only thing they understand is power and we stand and wave an angry finger when any group does something against the US.its always a good time to kick somebodys ass. and i consider myself peaceful.
talk softly and carry a big stick ....but you gotta use it!!!
 
2012-09-12 05:13:02 PM  
We need cooler looking drones. Seriously. I mean what the predator DOES is farking awesome. But it sorta looks like a dildo with wings.

static.ddmcdn.com

ep.yimg.com

We really need something more badass, like this.

www.impdb.org

Even though the movie sucked.
 
2012-09-12 05:13:59 PM  

EnviroDude: WTF Indeed: In before the conservatives blame Obama for not being violent enough and the whiny liberals blame Obama for being too violent.

because this could NEVER had been prevented with proper security at our locations (like Reagan had when our barracks were blown up)


You go to war with the Army you have...
 
2012-09-12 05:14:37 PM  

beta_plus: I'm glad that Obama's withdrawal strategy from Libya has worked so well after the mess George Bush left us.


You don't get what an embassy is, do you?
 
2012-09-12 05:14:57 PM  

georgeyporgey: sprawl15: georgeyporgey: sprawl15: georgeyporgey: anybody else catch this "then hand it off to the Libyans to strike the targets."

wtf ?

If the Libyan government is allowed to do the arrests/whatever of the assholes involved, it's very good for everyone politically. They capture them, show that they aren't involved, hand them off, we make a good diplomatic show, and everyone is happier except the Jihadists, and it's kind of their job to be assholes anyway so who cares.

It is the politcally preferred method. But, does anybody believe that the arrests and deaths of the perps will by tokens?

Why not? Their justice method is much harsher, and it lets us wash our hands of the railroaded executions.

We let the Iraqis try Saddam, and that was under the Neocons' rule.

what makes you think that these people are going to help us ? Have our back ?


What makes you think we shouldn't at least give them the chance to do exactly that? Especially if there is any credence to the idea that the attacks were planned in advance, and "the attackers used the protest outside the consulate as a diversion". The Pentagon would know a hell of lot more about that then we do.
 
2012-09-12 05:15:04 PM  

Cyno01: We need cooler looking drones. Seriously. I mean what the predator DOES is farking awesome. But it sorta looks like a dildo with wings.


You should what the g spot looks like when those drones are done with them. Its not like the bad guys see the drone or the plane as it is.
 
2012-09-12 05:16:02 PM  

WTP 2: the only thing they understand is power and we stand and wave an angry finger when any group does something against the US.its always a good time to kick somebodys ass. and i consider myself peaceful.
talk softly and carry a big stick ....but you gotta use it!!!


I'm confused. Are you suggesting that Obama has shied away from using a big stick?
 
2012-09-12 05:16:03 PM  
Whether you're republican or democrat the new American way is KILL KILL KILL. DEATH! MURDER! KILL YOUR BABIES and ASSASSINATE AMERICANS OVERSEAS. No trial, no jury. Just die.

Maybe there is something to this video game, movies, tv, books and music violence after all. A guy at work is all into death metal. WTF is that... seriously... you're into death music? How neat for you. And horror movies where they show cutting off peoples fingers and demented shiat. Farking weirdos the lot of you. America needs a good spanking. And I don't mean masterbate. They do enough of that already on Conan.
 
2012-09-12 05:16:47 PM  

vpb: If Obama is going to be droneing fundy fanatics, why not send a few to Gainsville and take out that ignorant redneck preacher?


This. The guy is a threat to American security and his idiocy and bigotry just contributed to the death of four American citizens.
 
2012-09-12 05:17:04 PM  

ustadoni: i thought we had marines at our embasseys


It wasn't an embassy (in Libya).
 
2012-09-12 05:17:27 PM  

Corvus: I agree and that's what I already said. And people are jumping to conclusions that we are going to use force.


What's that expression? When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

The US will go in, guns blazing, kill a bunch of suspects (maybe accidentally some of their families), and then go back home clapping themselves on the back as the Libyans are left behind to look at to devastation left behind. It's been the strategy for decades and it's why Libyans unanimously delcared they didn't want one single US soldier in their country when they were overthrowing Gaddhafi. You could fly around but no landing.
 
2012-09-12 05:17:35 PM  

Cyno01: We need cooler looking drones. Seriously. I mean what the predator DOES is farking awesome. But it sorta looks like a dildo with wings.

[static.ddmcdn.com image 400x318]

[ep.yimg.com image 260x221]

We really need something more badass, like this.

[www.impdb.org image 500x265]

Even though the movie sucked.


Only if its a starfighter.
 
2012-09-12 05:17:39 PM  

jakomo002: Libyans and Egyptians will never ever ever trust Americans. Ever. Americans might forget (or not know) that the US fully and vigorously supported both dictators (Mubarak and Gaddhafi) for decades before they were ousted. The people in those two countries still blame the US because they have memories.


Let's say we fly two drones into their tallest mosque (which we previously rigged with explosives), and pretend they are passenger planes. And then blame the attacks on 9/11 truthers. Maybe that'll change their hearts and minds.
 
2012-09-12 05:18:20 PM  
The Coptics better find a good hiding spot if Obama's sending drones.
 
2012-09-12 05:18:39 PM  
FTA "A senior U.S. official tells CNN that U.S. unmanned surveillance drones are expected to begin flying over Benghazai and other locations in eastern Libya to look for jihadi encampments and targets that may be tied to the attack on U.S. State Department personnel."

Yeah, i'm sure they'll be able to verify all that with a drone before shooting, and not end up just killing people indiscriminately out of some misguided desire for revenge.
 
2012-09-12 05:19:03 PM  

Rwa2play: beta_plus: I'm glad that Obama's withdrawal strategy from Libya has worked so well after the mess George Bush left us.

Another example of the Republican education model, ladies and gentlemen!

 
2012-09-12 05:20:13 PM  

jakomo002: Corvus: I agree and that's what I already said. And people are jumping to conclusions that we are going to use force.

What's that expression? When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

The US will go in, guns blazing, kill a bunch of suspects (maybe accidentally some of their families), and then go back home clapping themselves on the back as the Libyans are left behind to look at to devastation left behind. It's been the strategy for decades and it's why Libyans unanimously delcared they didn't want one single US soldier in their country when they were overthrowing Gaddhafi. You could fly around but no landing.


Why the hell you assume that?

Is that what we did in Egypt? Is that what we have done in Iran? Is that what we have done in Syria? You say it's all we've done but that's not true. We have use military force when we've had to.

Tell me when we have used military under the Obama admin when the local forces would of taken care of it if we had asked them to?

Your acting delusional.
 
2012-09-12 05:20:34 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I seriously don't understand how President Drone Strike could be considered weak on foreign policy.

Obama'd probably pilot the damn things himself if they'd let him.


I'm a critic of this President, for all the reasons that usually invite a response of "derp!" from his fanboys, but one thing I've consistently given him credit for is the way he's handled the WoT. I think he's been very effective. Plus it helps that the left has stopped trying to hinder the effort since their guy is in charge.
 
2012-09-12 05:20:57 PM  

CynicalLA: Marine1: If we'd just shot one or two of the people invading the compound, the rest of them would have been like, "Fark man, I was just here for the free falafel, I'm going home." and all of this could have been avoided.

You are so tough and everything would have been good if you were there.


I'm not tough. It's just a matter of fact. We wouldn't have a dead ambassador and three dead assistants, and we wouldn't have to rely on the controversial drone tactic. It's very hard for America's detractors to disagree with the legitimate defense of a consulate; it's very easy to disagree with drone strikes.
 
2012-09-12 05:21:23 PM  
i141.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-12 05:21:24 PM  

mark12A: They should be made to fear us.


Riiight. Ignoring Afghanistan and Iraq, where the combined military power of the world's strongest country was insufficient, and you got your asses handed to you by a bunch of people hiding in caves with AK47's and 15$ IED kits.

You slunk out of Iraq with your tails between your legs, with the job unfinished (it's still corrupt and people are dying by the hundreds every month) and are soon to flee Afghanistan.

If they're paying attention, they don't fear you at all, unless they hear the hum of a drone.
 
2012-09-12 05:22:20 PM  

JNowe: Plus it helps that the left has stopped trying to hinder the effort since their guy is in charge.


What did they hinder under Bush exactly?
 
2012-09-12 05:22:26 PM  

sprawl15: georgeyporgey: what makes you think that these people are going to help us ? Have our back ?

Which people?


Libyan government....

//First thought I had was tropic thunder!
 
2012-09-12 05:22:46 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Cyno01: We need cooler looking drones. Seriously. I mean what the predator DOES is farking awesome. But it sorta looks like a dildo with wings.

[static.ddmcdn.com image 400x318]

[ep.yimg.com image 260x221]

We really need something more badass, like this.

[www.impdb.org image 500x265]

Even though the movie sucked.

Only if its a starfighter.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-12 05:23:27 PM  
Why do people keep bringing up that Nobel Peace Prize? Obama himself wondered "What the hell?" when they handed it to him. And what do you want? Him to actually do what the conservatives continually accuse him of doing and roll over for the extremists and terrorists? Say "You are naughty! Go to your rooms and think about what you did!"?

Shiat, talk about a no-win situation. If Obama retaliates against agression, people biatch and whine about warmongering and the Nobel. If he doesn't, people biatch and whine about him being soft and aiding the extremists and terrorists.
 
2012-09-12 05:23:47 PM  

Marine1: If we'd just shot one or two of the people invading the compound, the rest of them would have been like, "Fark man, I was just here for the free falafel, I'm going home." and all of this could have been avoided.


I heard it was done from a distance with an RPG. I heard nothing about people invading the compound in libya. do you have citation.
 
2012-09-12 05:23:59 PM  

jakomo002: mark12A: They should be made to fear us.

Riiight. Ignoring Afghanistan and Iraq, where the combined military power of the world's strongest country was insufficient, and you got your asses handed to you by a bunch of people hiding in caves with AK47's and 15$ IED kits.

You slunk out of Iraq with your tails between your legs, with the job unfinished (it's still corrupt and people are dying by the hundreds every month) and are soon to flee Afghanistan.

If they're paying attention, they don't fear you at all, unless they hear the hum of a drone.


Still less than the amount of people that die in Chicago every month.
 
2012-09-12 05:24:36 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: FTA "A senior U.S. official tells CNN that U.S. unmanned surveillance drones are expected to begin flying over Benghazai and other locations in eastern Libya to look for jihadi encampments and targets that may be tied to the attack on U.S. State Department personnel."

Yeah, i'm sure they'll be able to verify all that with a drone before shooting, and not end up just killing people indiscriminately out of some misguided desire for revenge.


The American intelligence community is a little bit better than you give them credit for. Keep hating though, we can see what your agenda is here.
 
2012-09-12 05:24:40 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: hubiestubert: In this case, these are probably exactly that: recon. That doesn't mean that there aren't armed units right behind them. You would think that folks, by now, would realize that shooting Americans is a good way to get armed Americans rolling in...

Also, the West Wing is useful again for quoting:

Bartlet: Did you know that two thousand years ago a Roman citizen could walk across the face of the known world free of the fear of molestation? He could walk across the Earth unharmed, cloaked only in the protection of the words civis Romanus -- I am a Roman citizen. So great was the retribution of Rome, universally certain, should any harm befall even one of its citizens. Where was Morris's protection, or anybody else on that airplane? Where was the retribution for the families, and where is the warning to the rest of the world that Americans shall walk this Earth unharmed, lest the clenched fist of the most mighty military force in the history of mankind comes crashing down on your house?! In other words, Leo, what the hell are we doing here?!
Leo: We are behaving the way a superpower ought to behave.
Bartlet: Well our behavior has produced some crappy results, in fact I'm not a hundred per cent sure it hasn't induced it.
Leo: What are you talking about?
Bartlet: I'm talking about two hundred and eighty-six American marines in Beirut, I'm talking about Somalia, I'm talking about Nairobi-
Leo: And you think ratcheting up the body count's gonna act as a deterrent?
Bartlet: You're damn right I-
Leo: Oh, then you are just as stupid as these guys who think capital punishment is going to be a deterrent for drug kingpins. As if drug kingpins didn't live their day to day lives under the possibility of execution, and their executions are a lot less dainty than ours and tend to take place without the bother and expense of due process. So, my friend, if you want to start using American military strength as the arm of the Lord, you can do that. We're the only superpower left. You can conquer the world, like Charlemagne! But you better be prepared to kill everyone. And you better start with me, because I will raise up an army against you and I will beat you!
Bartlet: He had a ten day old baby at home.
Leo: I know.
Bartlet: We are doing nothing.
Leo: We are not doing nothing.
Bartlet: We're destroying-
Leo: Four high-rated military targets!
Bartlet: And this is good?
Leo: Of course it's not good. There is no good. It's what there is! It's how you behave if you're the most powerful nation in the world. It's proportional, it's reasonable, it's responsible, it's merciful! It's not nothing. Four high-rated military targets.
Bartlet: Which they'll rebuild again in six months.
Leo: Then we'll blow 'em up again in six months! We're getting really good at it... It's what our fathers taught us.


tldnr; but seriously, do you keep a file of organized quotes from that show?

If so, Really?
 
2012-09-12 05:24:46 PM  

georgeyporgey: sprawl15: georgeyporgey: what makes you think that these people are going to help us ? Have our back ?

Which people?

Libyan government....

//First thought I had was tropic thunder!


The Libyan government is largely grateful to the US for their role in helping/facilitating the revolution without turning it into an Iraqi Fire Drill. Even those that don't like the US want to make amends for it because it makes them look really farking bad to not even be able to guarantee safety at embassies.
 
2012-09-12 05:24:54 PM  

Corvus: Tell me when we have used military under the Obama admin when the local forces would of taken care of it if we had asked them to?


Yemen. Somalia. Iraq. Afghanistan. Pakistan.

The USA has sent drones into every single one of those countries, in direct contravention of the governments' (I use that term loosely for Somalia) wishes.

I'm not saying it's 100% guaranteeed but I'd be shocked if it goes any different than it always did in the past.
 
2012-09-12 05:25:15 PM  

trappedspirit: [i141.photobucket.com image 501x375]


Terrible.

I like it.
 
2012-09-12 05:26:27 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: Marine1: If we'd just shot one or two of the people invading the compound, the rest of them would have been like, "Fark man, I was just here for the free falafel, I'm going home." and all of this could have been avoided.

I heard it was done from a distance with an RPG. I heard nothing about people invading the compound in libya. do you have citation.


National Post- Canada

Shows some pretty clear pictures of gunmen in the compound and fires that have been set. Beware, as it also has photos of the ambassador in his final moments.

They went in to that compound. Plain and simple.
 
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