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2012-09-12 01:19:14 PM  
And what the heck did we expect? It's the Chicago way.
 
2012-09-12 01:19:27 PM  
I seriously don't understand how President Drone Strike could be considered weak on foreign policy.

Obama'd probably pilot the damn things himself if they'd let him.
 
2012-09-12 01:31:50 PM  
You all should['nt] see Sarah Palin's facebook post from late last night about all of this.

And all the replies from strong, conservative men who still have a tiny shred of hope that she will have sex with them.
 
2012-09-12 01:32:22 PM  
sucks being a holier than thou social conservative piece of human trash every day, i'd imagine.
 
2012-09-12 01:33:25 PM  
In before the conservatives blame Obama for not being violent enough and the whiny liberals blame Obama for being too violent.
 
2012-09-12 01:42:25 PM  
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2012-09-12 01:43:55 PM  

WTF Indeed: In before the conservatives blame Obama for not being violent enough and the whiny liberals blame Obama for being too violent.


because this could NEVER had been prevented with proper security at our locations (like Reagan had when our barracks were blown up)
 
2012-09-12 01:47:53 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I seriously don't understand how President Drone Strike could be considered weak on foreign policy.

Obama'd probably pilot the damn things himself if they'd let him.


Who's saying they don't already?

www.talkphotography.co.uk
 
2012-09-12 01:52:05 PM  
Weeps:
www.justpeace.net.ph
 
2012-09-12 01:53:26 PM  

serial_crusher: unavailable for comment
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That's a worker, not a drone.
 
2012-09-12 01:53:51 PM  
There goes Fartbongo, kowtowing to mooslim extremists again.
 
2012-09-12 01:55:32 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I seriously don't understand how President Drone Strike could be considered weak on foreign policy.

Obama'd probably pilot the damn things himself if they'd let him.


Well, he's black and he's a Democrat, so there's that.
 
2012-09-12 01:59:16 PM  
When the attack on the embassy first happened, I kept thinking of that scene from Menace II Society when the cop is interogating Caine. "You know you done farked up right? You know that right?"
 
2012-09-12 02:04:39 PM  
From Obama's comments this morning: "justice will be done". but how? kill off the whole mob? That wont end well.
 
2012-09-12 02:13:12 PM  
Drones. Oh, they must have forgotten about the drones. I wonder how much of the looted stuff has GPS tracker in it. Like our ambassador's wristwatch. . .
 
2012-09-12 02:14:22 PM  

GilRuiz1: Weeps:
[www.justpeace.net.ph image 298x300]


Obama: There wouldn't be no trouble except for those king-shiat jihadist! They kept pushing Sir.
Nobel Committee: Well you did some pushing on your own Barry.
Obama: They drew first blood, not me.
Nobel Committee: Look Barry, let us come in and get you the hell out of there!
Obama: They drew first blood...
 
2012-09-12 02:20:10 PM  

LockeOak: serial_crusher: unavailable for comment
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That's a worker, not a drone.


It's a weaver ant. Read the book Kill Decision, by Daniel Suarez.
The wikipedia page on weaver ants doesn't distinguish between "workers" and "drones", but does mention that "workers perform tasks that are essential to colony survival, including foraging, nest construction, and colony defense"

So, basically you missed the reference and your drone vs. worker comment is also incorrect.
 
2012-09-12 02:20:59 PM  

EnviroDude: WTF Indeed: In before the conservatives blame Obama for not being violent enough and the whiny liberals blame Obama for being too violent.

because this could NEVER had been prevented with proper security at our locations (like Reagan had when our barracks were blown up)


Actually the only reason this probably was an issue was because the Libyan Embassy is relatively new due to more recent events that have allowed us to actually exist there. US Embassies in troublesome countries are veritable fortresses with multiple walled off areas, which is why the Egyptian mob was able to penetrate the most outer wall and proceed no further.
 
2012-09-12 02:23:54 PM  
In this case, these are probably exactly that: recon. That doesn't mean that there aren't armed units right behind them. You would think that folks, by now, would realize that shooting Americans is a good way to get armed Americans rolling in...
 
2012-09-12 02:27:08 PM  

hubiestubert: In this case, these are probably exactly that: recon. That doesn't mean that there aren't armed units right behind them. You would think that folks, by now, would realize that shooting Americans is a good way to get armed Americans rolling in...


In some cases, that's what they want.

Hard to say for this one right now.
 
2012-09-12 02:30:55 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I seriously don't understand how President Drone Strike could be considered weak on foreign policy.


It's because he "let the Islamists in" by not stopping the Arab Spring. In other words, bigotry.
 
2012-09-12 02:32:45 PM  
NOTE: The craft in question may or may not actually be "attack" drones.
 
2012-09-12 02:33:21 PM  
I canjust imagine the situation room:

Chief of Staff: Sir. They've stormed the embassies. An ambassador is dead.

Obama {turning dramatically}: RELEASE THE DRONES!
 
2012-09-12 02:36:00 PM  

hubiestubert: In this case, these are probably exactly that: recon. That doesn't mean that there aren't armed units right behind them. You would think that folks, by now, would realize that shooting Americans is a good way to get armed Americans rolling in...


Also, the West Wing is useful again for quoting:

Bartlet: Did you know that two thousand years ago a Roman citizen could walk across the face of the known world free of the fear of molestation? He could walk across the Earth unharmed, cloaked only in the protection of the words civis Romanus -- I am a Roman citizen. So great was the retribution of Rome, universally certain, should any harm befall even one of its citizens. Where was Morris's protection, or anybody else on that airplane? Where was the retribution for the families, and where is the warning to the rest of the world that Americans shall walk this Earth unharmed, lest the clenched fist of the most mighty military force in the history of mankind comes crashing down on your house?! In other words, Leo, what the hell are we doing here?!
Leo: We are behaving the way a superpower ought to behave.
Bartlet: Well our behavior has produced some crappy results, in fact I'm not a hundred per cent sure it hasn't induced it.
Leo: What are you talking about?
Bartlet: I'm talking about two hundred and eighty-six American marines in Beirut, I'm talking about Somalia, I'm talking about Nairobi-
Leo: And you think ratcheting up the body count's gonna act as a deterrent?
Bartlet: You're damn right I-
Leo: Oh, then you are just as stupid as these guys who think capital punishment is going to be a deterrent for drug kingpins. As if drug kingpins didn't live their day to day lives under the possibility of execution, and their executions are a lot less dainty than ours and tend to take place without the bother and expense of due process. So, my friend, if you want to start using American military strength as the arm of the Lord, you can do that. We're the only superpower left. You can conquer the world, like Charlemagne! But you better be prepared to kill everyone. And you better start with me, because I will raise up an army against you and I will beat you!
Bartlet: He had a ten day old baby at home.
Leo: I know.
Bartlet: We are doing nothing.
Leo: We are not doing nothing.
Bartlet: We're destroying-
Leo: Four high-rated military targets!
Bartlet: And this is good?
Leo: Of course it's not good. There is no good. It's what there is! It's how you behave if you're the most powerful nation in the world. It's proportional, it's reasonable, it's responsible, it's merciful! It's not nothing. Four high-rated military targets.
Bartlet: Which they'll rebuild again in six months.
Leo: Then we'll blow 'em up again in six months! We're getting really good at it... It's what our fathers taught us.
 
2012-09-12 02:38:49 PM  

serial_crusher: LockeOak: serial_crusher: unavailable for comment
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That's a worker, not a drone.

It's a weaver ant. Read the book Kill Decision, by Daniel Suarez.
The wikipedia page on weaver ants doesn't distinguish between "workers" and "drones", but does mention that "workers perform tasks that are essential to colony survival, including foraging, nest construction, and colony defense"

So, basically you missed the reference and your drone vs. worker comment is also incorrect.


You're right, I missed the reference. But that is a worker ant, as it is wingless, outside the colony structure and seems to be foraging. Drones neither forage nor defend the colony, and are generally winged until they find a queen with which to mate.

/NERD FIGHT
 
2012-09-12 02:38:58 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: EnviroDude: WTF Indeed: In before the conservatives blame Obama for not being violent enough and the whiny liberals blame Obama for being too violent.

because this could NEVER had been prevented with proper security at our locations (like Reagan had when our barracks were blown up)

Actually the only reason this probably was an issue was because the Libyan Embassy is relatively new due to more recent events that have allowed us to actually exist there. US Embassies in troublesome countries are veritable fortresses with multiple walled off areas, which is why the Egyptian mob was able to penetrate the most outer wall and proceed no further.


It wasn't the embassy. It happened at the consulate. Different level of security entirely.

And stop feeding the idiot.
 
2012-09-12 02:40:29 PM  

themindiswatching: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I seriously don't understand how President Drone Strike could be considered weak on foreign policy.

It's because he "let the Islamists in" by not stopping the Arab Spring. In other words, bigotry.


so he should have worked with the dictators to crush their people?
 
2012-09-12 02:42:57 PM  

Hobodeluxe: so he should have worked with the dictators to crush their people?


That's the America I know and love.
 
2012-09-12 02:43:56 PM  

Hobodeluxe: themindiswatching: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I seriously don't understand how President Drone Strike could be considered weak on foreign policy.

It's because he "let the Islamists in" by not stopping the Arab Spring. In other words, bigotry.

so he should have worked with the dictators to crush their people?


According to the GOP, yes. Then again, they'd then biatch that he isn't doing enough to help the rebels.
 
2012-09-12 02:46:42 PM  

Hobodeluxe: themindiswatching: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I seriously don't understand how President Drone Strike could be considered weak on foreign policy.

It's because he "let the Islamists in" by not stopping the Arab Spring. In other words, bigotry.

so he should have worked with the dictators to crush their people?


Worked out so well for us in Iran...
 
2012-09-12 02:48:10 PM  

Tor_Eckman: It wasn't the embassy. It happened at the consulate. Different level of security entirely.


My bad.


Tor_Eckman: And stop feeding the idiot.


Even idiots need to eat.
 
2012-09-12 02:51:36 PM  

Tor_Eckman: It wasn't the embassy. It happened at the consulate. Different level of security entirely all together.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-12 02:57:24 PM  
Yea, this isn't going to end well.
The fighting in Libya is spreading into central Africa and otherwise peaceful nations are now being destroyed.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-12 03:01:11 PM  

themindiswatching: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I seriously don't understand how President Drone Strike could be considered weak on foreign policy.

It's because he "let the Islamists in" by not stopping the Arab Spring. In other words, bigotry.


Yeah, it's Obama's fault that there are Arabs in North Africa.
 
2012-09-12 03:03:10 PM  

kbronsito: GilRuiz1: Weeps:
[www.justpeace.net.ph image 298x300]

Obama: There wouldn't be no trouble except for those king-shiat jihadist! They kept pushing Sir.
Nobel Committee: Well you did some pushing on your own Barry.
Obama: They drew first blood, not me.
Nobel Committee: Look Barry, let us come in and get you the hell out of there!
Obama: They drew first blood...



Nobel Committee to Jihadist: If you insist on going in there, then you better remember one thing?
Jihadist: What?
Nobel Committee:  Bring plenty of body bags.
 
2012-09-12 03:03:56 PM  
Yes, right wing, conservative religious extremists who wish to impose their religion on everyone through their government suck.

Oh, wait, is that not what we were going for?
 
2012-09-12 03:08:52 PM  
Do not taunt dynamite America.
 
2012-09-12 03:10:14 PM  

I_C_Weener: kbronsito: GilRuiz1: Weeps:
[www.justpeace.net.ph image 298x300]

Obama: There wouldn't be no trouble except for those king-shiat jihadist! They kept pushing Sir.
Nobel Committee: Well you did some pushing on your own Barry.
Obama: They drew first blood, not me.
Nobel Committee: Look Barry, let us come in and get you the hell out of there!
Obama: They drew first blood...


Nobel Committee to Jihadist: If you insist on going in there, then you better remember one thing?
Jihadist: What?
Nobel Committee:  Bring plenty of body bags.


THE NORTH AFRICAN COAST IS MINE

/obscure?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-12 03:12:56 PM  

Hobodeluxe: themindiswatching: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I seriously don't understand how President Drone Strike could be considered weak on foreign policy.

It's because he "let the Islamists in" by not stopping the Arab Spring. In other words, bigotry.

so he should have worked with the dictators to crush their people?


He could have gotten invited to the Bunga-bunga parties.
 
2012-09-12 03:14:38 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: I_C_Weener: kbronsito: GilRuiz1: Weeps:
[www.justpeace.net.ph image 298x300]

Obama: There wouldn't be no trouble except for those king-shiat jihadist! They kept pushing Sir.
Nobel Committee: Well you did some pushing on your own Barry.
Obama: They drew first blood, not me.
Nobel Committee: Look Barry, let us come in and get you the hell out of there!
Obama: They drew first blood...


Nobel Committee to Jihadist: If you insist on going in there, then you better remember one thing?
Jihadist: What?
Nobel Committee:  Bring plenty of body bags.

THE NORTH AFRICAN COAST IS MINE

/obscure?



Patton?
 
"Al Qeada, you magnificent bastards.  I read your propaganda!"
 
2012-09-12 03:16:47 PM  

vpb: Yeah, it's Obama's fault that there are Arabs in North Africa.


Obama used his time machine to personally lead the caliphate into North Africa back in the 600s.
 
2012-09-12 03:17:21 PM  
i522.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-12 03:18:59 PM  

I_C_Weener: Patton?

"Al Qeada, you magnificent bastards. I read your propaganda!"


Haha, that's a good one too.

I was more trying to reference this, but to be fair I, myself, barely remember much of the movie.
 
2012-09-12 03:23:24 PM  

vudukungfu: Drones. Oh, they must have forgotten about the drones. I wonder how much of the looted stuff has GPS tracker in it. Like our ambassador's wristwatch. . .


This probably comes down to a single ring-leader and his butt buddies. I hope you guys draw a 1 mile radius circle around the target and make is rubble. Good hunting.

/Canadian
 
2012-09-12 03:24:41 PM  

minoridiot: Yea, this isn't going to end well.
The fighting in Libya is spreading into central Africa and otherwise peaceful nations are now being destroyed.


This was happening before and is why the African community wanted Qaddafi taken out.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-12 03:29:18 PM  
If Obama is going to be droneing fundy fanatics, why not send a few to Gainsville and take out that ignorant redneck preacher?
 
2012-09-12 04:33:58 PM  

mrshowrules: minoridiot: Yea, this isn't going to end well.
The fighting in Libya is spreading into central Africa and otherwise peaceful nations are now being destroyed.

This was happening before and is why the African community wanted Qaddafi taken out.


Qaddafi being "taken out" has lead to a much bigger problem.
 
2012-09-12 04:41:34 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I seriously don't understand how President Drone Strike could be considered weak on foreign policy.

Obama'd probably pilot the damn things himself if they'd let him.


Nobody who wins a Nobel Peace Prize is allowed to pilot drones. It's in the rule book.
 
2012-09-12 04:42:46 PM  
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"There's a broader lesson to be learned here: Governor Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later and as president one of the things I've learned is you can't do that," Obama told CBS News on Wednesday."It's important for you to make sure that the statements that you make are backed up by the facts and that you've thought through the ramifications before you make them."
 
2012-09-12 04:43:37 PM  
So why do my trailer trash relatives have "impeach Nancy Pelosi" over the Libyan-Egyptian stories this morning?
 
2012-09-12 04:43:44 PM  
anybody else catch this "then hand it off to the Libyans to strike the targets."

wtf ?
 
2012-09-12 04:44:07 PM  
Obama's just going to deliver apologies, 500 laser guided pounds at a time.
 
2012-09-12 04:44:18 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Also, the West Wing is useful again for quoting:


I never watched the show, but that Bartlet guy sounds pretty cool.
 
2012-09-12 04:44:42 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I seriously don't understand how President Drone Strike could be considered weak on foreign policy.

Obama'd probably pilot the damn things himself if they'd let him.


And there you have it. They tell Obama it's not possible, and he just goes along like a sheep. Bush would have strapped a drone to each foot and skied on over. There wouldn't be any of this pansy "no one will let him" stuff.
 
2012-09-12 04:44:47 PM  

mrshowrules:
/Canadian


Ringleader and his but buddies would have shot them all even if they had little maple leaf flag pins on and were wearing Toronto Bule Jays hats. I hope we do, too.
 
2012-09-12 04:45:06 PM  

georgeyporgey: anybody else catch this "then hand it off to the Libyans to strike the targets."

wtf ?


If the Libyan government is allowed to do the arrests/whatever of the assholes involved, it's very good for everyone politically. They capture them, show that they aren't involved, hand them off, we make a good diplomatic show, and everyone is happier except the Jihadists, and it's kind of their job to be assholes anyway so who cares.
 
2012-09-12 04:46:52 PM  
images.cheezburger.com
 
2012-09-12 04:47:00 PM  

I_C_Weener: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: I_C_Weener: kbronsito: GilRuiz1: Weeps:
[www.justpeace.net.ph image 298x300]

Obama: There wouldn't be no trouble except for those king-shiat jihadist! They kept pushing Sir.
Nobel Committee: Well you did some pushing on your own Barry.
Obama: They drew first blood, not me.
Nobel Committee: Look Barry, let us come in and get you the hell out of there!
Obama: They drew first blood...


Nobel Committee to Jihadist: If you insist on going in there, then you better remember one thing?
Jihadist: What?
Nobel Committee:  Bring plenty of body bags.

THE NORTH AFRICAN COAST IS MINE

/obscure?


Patton?
 
"Al Qeada, you magnificent bastards.  I read your propaganda!"



Why should we do a story about you?

'Cuz I'm the President and so farkin' good! I send 50 marines and am sending a shaitton of drones. Plus 50 water buffalo, too! Them's all confirmed!

Any women or children?

Sometimes!

How can you send drone on women or children?

Easy! Ya just don't lead 'em so much! Ain't war hell?
 
2012-09-12 04:47:02 PM  
Aww, and Publikwerks wasted his "I'm a drone, I'm a drone, suck my diiiiick, I'm a drone" post in another thread. 

We should just park one on the roof of that place. No press releases, don't call attention to it. Just put one up there. 

"Oh, that. Strange, right?"
 
2012-09-12 04:47:50 PM  

sprawl15: georgeyporgey: anybody else catch this "then hand it off to the Libyans to strike the targets."

wtf ?

If the Libyan government is allowed to do the arrests/whatever of the assholes involved, it's very good for everyone politically. They capture them, show that they aren't involved, hand them off, we make a good diplomatic show, and everyone is happier except the Jihadists, and it's kind of their job to be assholes anyway so who cares.


It is the politcally preferred method. But, does anybody believe that the arrests and deaths of the perps will by tokens?
 
2012-09-12 04:48:10 PM  

hubiestubert: In this case, these are probably exactly that: recon. That doesn't mean that there aren't armed units right behind them. You would think that folks, by now, would realize that shooting Americans is a good way to get armed Americans rolling in...


Have criminals realized that killing cops is never a good way to advance one's career?
 
2012-09-12 04:48:11 PM  

MorePeasPlease: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Also, the West Wing is useful again for quoting:

I never watched the show, but that Bartlet guy sounds pretty cool.


The West Wing, though some of the tech is a little dated, is still one of the best written, best acted shows in modern TV history.
 
2012-09-12 04:48:47 PM  

Hobodeluxe: [s3.amazonaws.com image 550x367]


"There's a broader lesson to be learned here: Governor Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later and as president one of the things I've learned is you can't do that," Obama told CBS News on Wednesday."It's important for you to make sure that the statements that you make are backed up by the facts and that you've thought through the ramifications before you make them."


HAH! God I love Obama! Nice burn!
 
2012-09-12 04:49:49 PM  
images.sodahead.com
 
2012-09-12 04:50:07 PM  
B-buh Obama is continuing Bush policy hurr durr durr de derp
dude where's my 3rd party?
 
2012-09-12 04:50:26 PM  

vpb: If Obama is going to be droneing fundy fanatics, why not send a few to Gainsville and take out that ignorant redneck preacher?


Like we need to pick targets in Gainesville. Wait, I take that back. I can't remember if a friend of mine moved there or Tallahassee.
 
2012-09-12 04:50:37 PM  
And when the drones are done, we will raze the buildings and burn the fields and salt the Earth so nothing ever grows there again.
 
2012-09-12 04:50:57 PM  

sprawl15: georgeyporgey: anybody else catch this "then hand it off to the Libyans to strike the targets."

wtf ?

If the Libyan government is allowed to do the arrests/whatever of the assholes involved, it's very good for everyone politically. They capture them, show that they aren't involved, hand them off, we make a good diplomatic show, and everyone is happier except the JihadistsRepublicans, and it's kind of their job to be assholes anyway so who cares.


FTFY
 
2012-09-12 04:51:09 PM  

georgeyporgey: sprawl15: georgeyporgey: anybody else catch this "then hand it off to the Libyans to strike the targets."

wtf ?

If the Libyan government is allowed to do the arrests/whatever of the assholes involved, it's very good for everyone politically. They capture them, show that they aren't involved, hand them off, we make a good diplomatic show, and everyone is happier except the Jihadists, and it's kind of their job to be assholes anyway so who cares.

It is the politcally preferred method. But, does anybody believe that the arrests and deaths of the perps will by tokens?


Why not? Their justice method is much harsher, and it lets us wash our hands of the railroaded executions.

We let the Iraqis try Saddam, and that was under the Neocons' rule.
 
2012-09-12 04:51:25 PM  
Finally, Obama is going to clean up the mess George Bush left to us in Libya by bombing it in 2011.

/Hope & Change!
 
2012-09-12 04:52:20 PM  
I agree I think people are jumping to conclusions. I don't think it would help to stabilize things with a US air strike in Libya (at least without the full support of the Libyan government). It's a good chance that this is recon mission and hand over to the authorities. I have heard this attack isn't actually very supported in Libya so it would be a win/win for the Libyan authorities to do the "bringing to justice".
 
2012-09-12 04:52:59 PM  
www.amnation.com
 
2012-09-12 04:53:12 PM  

mrshowrules: minoridiot: Yea, this isn't going to end well.
The fighting in Libya is spreading into central Africa and otherwise peaceful nations are now being destroyed.

This was happening before and is why the African community wanted Qaddafi taken out.


So what you are saying is the African community was frowning on Qaddafi's shenanigans?
 
2012-09-12 04:53:54 PM  

Corvus: It's a good chance that this is recon mission and hand over to the authorities.


"A senior U.S. official tells CNN that U.S. unmanned surveillance drones"

Ya think?

10 words. That's all you needed to manage.
 
2012-09-12 04:54:14 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Bartlet: Did you know that two thousand years ago a Roman citizen could walk across the face of the known world free of the fear of molestation? He could walk across the Earth unharmed, cloaked only in the protection of the words civis Romanus


Except that's a bunch of BS.

Caeser was taken hostage by pirates and he damn well was a Roman citizen. The Romans at Teutoburg Forest weren't imune from molestation.
 
2012-09-12 04:54:29 PM  
Too little. Too late.

It is better to be feared than loved, and right now the Arab world does not fear us.

They should be made to fear us.
 
2012-09-12 04:54:39 PM  
The proposal for use of drones is expected to be approved shortly by the Pentagon and the White House, CNN's Pentagon Correspondent Barbara Starr reported. The official said the plan is for U.S. surveillance drones to gather the intelligence and then hand it off to the Libyans to strike the targets.

I'mOKwiththis.jpg
 
2012-09-12 04:54:41 PM  

Pro Zack: [www.amnation.com image 739x1070]


That's Obama's "The Princess is in another castle" face.
 
2012-09-12 04:56:08 PM  

sprawl15: Corvus: It's a good chance that this is recon mission and hand over to the authorities.

"A senior U.S. official tells CNN that U.S. unmanned surveillance drones"

Ya think?

10 words. That's all you needed to manage.


Holy shiat dude I don't know what your problem is, I am agreeing with you. I am not the one saying we are bombing like many other people in this thread are, which you seem not to have a problem with. I said it was surveillance. Did I kill your puppy or something?
 
2012-09-12 04:56:28 PM  

Ben Enya: And what the heck did we expect? It's the Chicago way.


farking Chicago and all their drones.
 
2012-09-12 04:57:03 PM  
It's going to be a load of fun when Mitt gets his hands on those bad boys.

/or Palin
//or [insert fav R here]
 
2012-09-12 04:57:03 PM  

sprawl15: georgeyporgey: anybody else catch this "then hand it off to the Libyans to strike the targets."

wtf ?

If the Libyan government is allowed to do the arrests/whatever of the assholes involved, it's very good for everyone politically. They capture them, show that they aren't involved, hand them off, we make a good diplomatic show, and everyone is happier except the Jihadists, and it's kind of their job to be assholes die anyway so who cares.


fixed.
 
2012-09-12 04:58:06 PM  
It's going to suck to be Libyan real shortly.
 
2012-09-12 04:59:23 PM  

Corvus: I don't think it would help to stabilize things with a US air strike in Libya (at least without the full support of the Libyan government)


Whatever heavyhanded, illegal tactics the USA uses to find and kill (or imprison without charge) all those involved will only serve to inflame anti-U.S. sentiment around the world. 

Libyans and Egyptians will never ever ever trust Americans. Ever. Americans might forget (or not know) that the US fully and vigorously supported both dictators (Mubarak and Gaddhafi) for decades before they were ousted. The people in those two countries still blame the US because they have memories.
 
2012-09-12 04:59:36 PM  

xanadian: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I seriously don't understand how President Drone Strike could be considered weak on foreign policy.

Obama'd probably pilot the damn things himself if they'd let him.

Who's saying they don't already?

www.talkphotography.co.uk


Is it just me, or does the picture on Hillary's laptop look like the muppet "Animal" turned upside down?

www.partyworld.ie
 
2012-09-12 04:59:55 PM  

Raging Whore Moans: You all should['nt] see Sarah Palin's facebook post from late last night about all of this.

And all the replies from strong, conservative men who still have a tiny shred of hope that she will have sex with them.


Wasn't it something like "Obama can't see Egypt and Libya from his house!"?

Way to get yourself taken seriously.
 
2012-09-12 05:00:31 PM  

clovis69: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Bartlet: Did you know that two thousand years ago a Roman citizen could walk across the face of the known world free of the fear of molestation? He could walk across the Earth unharmed, cloaked only in the protection of the words civis Romanus

Except that's a bunch of BS.

Caeser was taken hostage by pirates and he damn well was a Roman citizen. The Romans at Teutoburg Forest weren't imune from molestation.


Not only was the quote not intended to be a history lesson, but the character himself was spouting hyperbole in a fit of (somewhat justified) rage to his Chief of Staff, who was talking him down from his pomposity.

Put another way: Stuff it.
 
2012-09-12 05:00:46 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: It's going to suck to be Libyan real shortly.


I'm pretty sure it has sucked to be a Libyan for a very long time.
Whichever faction gets the blame for this is going to enjoy an extra helping of suck though.
 
2012-09-12 05:01:18 PM  

jakomo002: Libyans and Egyptians will never ever ever trust Americans. Ever. Americans might forget (or not know) that the US fully and vigorously supported both dictators (Mubarak and Gaddhafi) for decades before they were ousted. The people in those two countries still blame the US because they have memories.


But that's not true. Many groups in Libya are denounce these attacks on of the embassy. You are painting them all with a too wide of a brush. The Ambassador was very well like and respected by those in the democracy movement there.
 
2012-09-12 05:03:39 PM  

sprawl15: georgeyporgey: sprawl15: georgeyporgey: anybody else catch this "then hand it off to the Libyans to strike the targets."

wtf ?

If the Libyan government is allowed to do the arrests/whatever of the assholes involved, it's very good for everyone politically. They capture them, show that they aren't involved, hand them off, we make a good diplomatic show, and everyone is happier except the Jihadists, and it's kind of their job to be assholes anyway so who cares.

It is the politcally preferred method. But, does anybody believe that the arrests and deaths of the perps will by tokens?

Why not? Their justice method is much harsher, and it lets us wash our hands of the railroaded executions.

We let the Iraqis try Saddam, and that was under the Neocons' rule.


what makes you think that these people are going to help us ? Have our back ?
 
2012-09-12 05:03:43 PM  

mark12A: Too little. Too late.

It is better to be feared than loved, and right now the Arab world does not fear us.

They should be made to fear us.


No, you should probably eat a bullet and make the world a better place.
 
2012-09-12 05:05:08 PM  

AnEvilGuest: A Dark Evil Omen: It's going to suck to be Libyan real shortly.

I'm pretty sure it has sucked to be a Libyan for a very long time.
Whichever faction gets the blame for this is going to enjoy an extra helping of suck though.


Well, my point is rather that I expect it's going to suck no matter what faction you are. American authorities can't even see fit to distinguish between different factions of domestic radicals who literally wear their associations on their sleeves and have never harmed a solitary person. What makes you think they're going to bother trying to slice up the Libyans into tiny groups? I expect the coming drone strikes to mostly strike mainly relevant targets, kinda.
 
2012-09-12 05:05:19 PM  

Corvus: But that's not true. Many groups in Libya are denounce these attacks on of the embassy. You are painting them all with a too wide of a brush. The Ambassador was very well like and respected by those in the democracy movement there.


I wholeheartedly agree. Most Libyans are probably shocked and disgusted at what befell the ambassador and those other 3 people.

But that doesn't mean they trust you whatsoever. By "you" I mean the US government.

It'll become clearer as the US sends troops in contrary to the wishes of the Libyan government, which will just make more and more Libyans mad.

I'm telling you, the best way would be to let the Libyans investigate and capture those involved.
 
2012-09-12 05:05:22 PM  
/surprised by the nice variety of Obama Drone meme's to choose from. GIS FTW 

i.qkme.me
 
2012-09-12 05:05:32 PM  

georgeyporgey: what makes you think that these people are going to help us ? Have our back ?


Which people?
 
2012-09-12 05:05:57 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: MorePeasPlease: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Also, the West Wing is useful again for quoting:

I never watched the show, but that Bartlet guy sounds pretty cool.

The West Wing, though some of the tech is a little dated, is still one of the best written, best acted shows in modern TV history.


Yeah, if you need a character to deliver a hell of a speech/rant/whatever, Aaron Sorkin is your writer - "A Few Good Men", "The West Wing", "Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip", "The Social Network", "The Newsroom", and "The American President" are all good examples.
 
2012-09-12 05:06:19 PM  
If we'd just shot one or two of the people invading the compound, the rest of them would have been like, "Fark man, I was just here for the free falafel, I'm going home." and all of this could have been avoided.
 
2012-09-12 05:06:21 PM  

xanadian: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I seriously don't understand how President Drone Strike could be considered weak on foreign policy.

Obama'd probably pilot the damn things himself if they'd let him.

Who's saying they don't already?

[www.talkphotography.co.uk image 800x533]


I prefer the one with GD in it.
 
2012-09-12 05:06:28 PM  

minoridiot: Yea, this isn't going to end well.
The fighting in Libya is spreading into central Africa and otherwise peaceful nations are now being destroyed.


Because if central Africa was ever known for anything, it was peace.
 
2012-09-12 05:06:34 PM  
dl.dropbox.com

Good news: We still got time to make the 2012 deadline for ending the world.
 
2012-09-12 05:06:39 PM  

mark12A: Too little. Too late.

It is better to be feared than loved, and right now the Arab world does not fear us.

They should be made to fear us.


I remember a certain guy on a podium saying something similar; could only read the subtitles since my German was rusty.
 
2012-09-12 05:07:08 PM  

sprawl15: georgeyporgey: what makes you think that these people are going to help us ? Have our back ?

Which people?


GIS for 'these people'

thechive.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-12 05:07:42 PM  

GAT_00: vpb: If Obama is going to be droneing fundy fanatics, why not send a few to Gainsville and take out that ignorant redneck preacher?

Like we need to pick targets in Gainesville. Wait, I take that back. I can't remember if a friend of mine moved there or Tallahassee.


wait till I get off work

/in gainesville
 
2012-09-12 05:08:07 PM  

Rwa2play: mark12A: Too little. Too late.

It is better to be feared than loved, and right now the Arab world does not fear us.

They should be made to fear us.

I remember a certain guy on a podium saying something similar; could only read the subtitles since my German was rusty.


He got it from another guy. Really fruity. Called himself a prince.
 
2012-09-12 05:08:14 PM  

Hobodeluxe: [s3.amazonaws.com image 550x367]


"There's a broader lesson to be learned here: Governor Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later and as president one of the things I've learned is you can't do that," Obama told CBS News on Wednesday."It's important for you to make sure that the statements that you make are backed up by the facts and that you've thought through the ramifications before you make them."


obamaletdownwatch.files.wordpress.com

That really was one of the stupidest things Romney has said all week, and that he doubled down on it today is just moronic. Then there is the whole revive the F-22 program. Romney is his own undoeing with his vague policy and decidedly amateur decision making. The debates are going to be awesome.
 
2012-09-12 05:08:43 PM  

Marine1: If we'd just shot one or two of the people invading the compound, the rest of them would have been like, "Fark man, I was just here for the free falafel, I'm going home." and all of this could have been avoided.


You are so tough and everything would have been good if you were there.
 
2012-09-12 05:10:05 PM  

jakomo002: Corvus: But that's not true. Many groups in Libya are denounce these attacks on of the embassy. You are painting them all with a too wide of a brush. The Ambassador was very well like and respected by those in the democracy movement there.

I wholeheartedly agree. Most Libyans are probably shocked and disgusted at what befell the ambassador and those other 3 people.

But that doesn't mean they trust you whatsoever. By "you" I mean the US government.

It'll become clearer as the US sends troops in contrary to the wishes of the Libyan government, which will just make more and more Libyans mad.

I'm telling you, the best way would be to let the Libyans investigate and capture those involved.


I agree and that's what I already said. And people are jumping to conclusions that we are going to use force.
 
2012-09-12 05:10:19 PM  
I'm glad that Obama's withdrawal strategy from Libya has worked so well after the mess George Bush left us.
 
2012-09-12 05:10:22 PM  

mark12A: Too little. Too late.

It is better to be feared than loved, and right now the Arab world does not fear us.

They should be made to fear us.

 

zipmeme.com
 
2012-09-12 05:10:52 PM  

Hobodeluxe: themindiswatching: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I seriously don't understand how President Drone Strike could be considered weak on foreign policy.

It's because he "let the Islamists in" by not stopping the Arab Spring. In other words, bigotry.

so he should have worked with the dictators to crush their people?


Didn't you get the memo? Qaddafi was no longer a terrorist. Bush 43 scared him to death and Condi Rice negotiated with him so that he was now a very good ally of ours.
 
2012-09-12 05:11:03 PM  

I_C_Weener: kbronsito: GilRuiz1: Weeps:
[www.justpeace.net.ph image 298x300]

Obama: There wouldn't be no trouble except for those king-shiat jihadist! They kept pushing Sir.
Nobel Committee: Well you did some pushing on your own Barry.
Obama: They drew first blood, not me.
Nobel Committee: Look Barry, let us come in and get you the hell out of there!
Obama: They drew first blood...


Nobel Committee to Jihadist: If you insist on going in there, then you better remember one thing?
Jihadist: What?
Nobel Committee:  Bring plenty of body bags.


I'm going to unfavorite you so I can favorite you again.
 
2012-09-12 05:11:07 PM  

Marine1: If we'd just shot one or two of the people invading the compound, the rest of them would have been like, "Fark man, I was just here for the free falafel, I'm going home." and all of this could have been avoided.


How do you know we didn't?
 
2012-09-12 05:11:13 PM  

clovis69: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Bartlet: Did you know that two thousand years ago a Roman citizen could walk across the face of the known world free of the fear of molestation? He could walk across the Earth unharmed, cloaked only in the protection of the words civis Romanus

Except that's a bunch of BS.

Caeser was taken hostage by pirates and he damn well was a Roman citizen. The Romans at Teutoburg Forest weren't imune from molestation.


I will give you Teutoburg. And you're right about Bartlet's speech being BS, but Caesar went back, caught and killed the pirates after they ransomed him, like he'd told them he was going to do.

Julius Caesar was a bad-ass. He was sassy too.
 
2012-09-12 05:11:30 PM  

bbfreak: Hobodeluxe: [s3.amazonaws.com image 550x367]


"There's a broader lesson to be learned here: Governor Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later and as president one of the things I've learned is you can't do that," Obama told CBS News on Wednesday."It's important for you to make sure that the statements that you make are backed up by the facts and that you've thought through the ramifications before you make them."

[obamaletdownwatch.files.wordpress.com image 300x270]

That really was one of the stupidest things Romney has said all week, and that he doubled down on it today is just moronic. Then there is the whole revive the F-22 program. Romney is his own undoeing with his vague policy and decidedly amateur decision making. The debates are going to be awesome.


FYI: The first Presidential debate will be on October 3rd and will deal with foreign policy.

/already ordering my bags of popcorn
 
2012-09-12 05:11:58 PM  
i thought we had marines at our embasseys
 
2012-09-12 05:12:04 PM  

bartink: Marine1: If we'd just shot one or two of the people invading the compound, the rest of them would have been like, "Fark man, I was just here for the free falafel, I'm going home." and all of this could have been avoided.

How do you know we didn't?


Also, you are denigrating Marines, basically calling them pussies. Nice job.
 
2012-09-12 05:12:18 PM  

beta_plus: I'm glad that Obama's withdrawal strategy from Libya has worked so well after the mess George Bush left us.


Another example of the Republican education model, ladies and gentlemen!
 
2012-09-12 05:12:24 PM  
the only thing they understand is power and we stand and wave an angry finger when any group does something against the US.its always a good time to kick somebodys ass. and i consider myself peaceful.
talk softly and carry a big stick ....but you gotta use it!!!
 
2012-09-12 05:13:02 PM  
We need cooler looking drones. Seriously. I mean what the predator DOES is farking awesome. But it sorta looks like a dildo with wings.

static.ddmcdn.com

ep.yimg.com

We really need something more badass, like this.

www.impdb.org

Even though the movie sucked.
 
2012-09-12 05:13:59 PM  

EnviroDude: WTF Indeed: In before the conservatives blame Obama for not being violent enough and the whiny liberals blame Obama for being too violent.

because this could NEVER had been prevented with proper security at our locations (like Reagan had when our barracks were blown up)


You go to war with the Army you have...
 
2012-09-12 05:14:37 PM  

beta_plus: I'm glad that Obama's withdrawal strategy from Libya has worked so well after the mess George Bush left us.


You don't get what an embassy is, do you?
 
2012-09-12 05:14:57 PM  

georgeyporgey: sprawl15: georgeyporgey: sprawl15: georgeyporgey: anybody else catch this "then hand it off to the Libyans to strike the targets."

wtf ?

If the Libyan government is allowed to do the arrests/whatever of the assholes involved, it's very good for everyone politically. They capture them, show that they aren't involved, hand them off, we make a good diplomatic show, and everyone is happier except the Jihadists, and it's kind of their job to be assholes anyway so who cares.

It is the politcally preferred method. But, does anybody believe that the arrests and deaths of the perps will by tokens?

Why not? Their justice method is much harsher, and it lets us wash our hands of the railroaded executions.

We let the Iraqis try Saddam, and that was under the Neocons' rule.

what makes you think that these people are going to help us ? Have our back ?


What makes you think we shouldn't at least give them the chance to do exactly that? Especially if there is any credence to the idea that the attacks were planned in advance, and "the attackers used the protest outside the consulate as a diversion". The Pentagon would know a hell of lot more about that then we do.
 
2012-09-12 05:15:04 PM  

Cyno01: We need cooler looking drones. Seriously. I mean what the predator DOES is farking awesome. But it sorta looks like a dildo with wings.


You should what the g spot looks like when those drones are done with them. Its not like the bad guys see the drone or the plane as it is.
 
2012-09-12 05:16:02 PM  

WTP 2: the only thing they understand is power and we stand and wave an angry finger when any group does something against the US.its always a good time to kick somebodys ass. and i consider myself peaceful.
talk softly and carry a big stick ....but you gotta use it!!!


I'm confused. Are you suggesting that Obama has shied away from using a big stick?
 
2012-09-12 05:16:03 PM  
Whether you're republican or democrat the new American way is KILL KILL KILL. DEATH! MURDER! KILL YOUR BABIES and ASSASSINATE AMERICANS OVERSEAS. No trial, no jury. Just die.

Maybe there is something to this video game, movies, tv, books and music violence after all. A guy at work is all into death metal. WTF is that... seriously... you're into death music? How neat for you. And horror movies where they show cutting off peoples fingers and demented shiat. Farking weirdos the lot of you. America needs a good spanking. And I don't mean masterbate. They do enough of that already on Conan.
 
2012-09-12 05:16:47 PM  

vpb: If Obama is going to be droneing fundy fanatics, why not send a few to Gainsville and take out that ignorant redneck preacher?


This. The guy is a threat to American security and his idiocy and bigotry just contributed to the death of four American citizens.
 
2012-09-12 05:17:04 PM  

ustadoni: i thought we had marines at our embasseys


It wasn't an embassy (in Libya).
 
2012-09-12 05:17:27 PM  

Corvus: I agree and that's what I already said. And people are jumping to conclusions that we are going to use force.


What's that expression? When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

The US will go in, guns blazing, kill a bunch of suspects (maybe accidentally some of their families), and then go back home clapping themselves on the back as the Libyans are left behind to look at to devastation left behind. It's been the strategy for decades and it's why Libyans unanimously delcared they didn't want one single US soldier in their country when they were overthrowing Gaddhafi. You could fly around but no landing.
 
2012-09-12 05:17:35 PM  

Cyno01: We need cooler looking drones. Seriously. I mean what the predator DOES is farking awesome. But it sorta looks like a dildo with wings.

[static.ddmcdn.com image 400x318]

[ep.yimg.com image 260x221]

We really need something more badass, like this.

[www.impdb.org image 500x265]

Even though the movie sucked.


Only if its a starfighter.
 
2012-09-12 05:17:39 PM  

jakomo002: Libyans and Egyptians will never ever ever trust Americans. Ever. Americans might forget (or not know) that the US fully and vigorously supported both dictators (Mubarak and Gaddhafi) for decades before they were ousted. The people in those two countries still blame the US because they have memories.


Let's say we fly two drones into their tallest mosque (which we previously rigged with explosives), and pretend they are passenger planes. And then blame the attacks on 9/11 truthers. Maybe that'll change their hearts and minds.
 
2012-09-12 05:18:20 PM  
The Coptics better find a good hiding spot if Obama's sending drones.
 
2012-09-12 05:18:39 PM  
FTA "A senior U.S. official tells CNN that U.S. unmanned surveillance drones are expected to begin flying over Benghazai and other locations in eastern Libya to look for jihadi encampments and targets that may be tied to the attack on U.S. State Department personnel."

Yeah, i'm sure they'll be able to verify all that with a drone before shooting, and not end up just killing people indiscriminately out of some misguided desire for revenge.
 
2012-09-12 05:19:03 PM  

Rwa2play: beta_plus: I'm glad that Obama's withdrawal strategy from Libya has worked so well after the mess George Bush left us.

Another example of the Republican education model, ladies and gentlemen!

 
2012-09-12 05:20:13 PM  

jakomo002: Corvus: I agree and that's what I already said. And people are jumping to conclusions that we are going to use force.

What's that expression? When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

The US will go in, guns blazing, kill a bunch of suspects (maybe accidentally some of their families), and then go back home clapping themselves on the back as the Libyans are left behind to look at to devastation left behind. It's been the strategy for decades and it's why Libyans unanimously delcared they didn't want one single US soldier in their country when they were overthrowing Gaddhafi. You could fly around but no landing.


Why the hell you assume that?

Is that what we did in Egypt? Is that what we have done in Iran? Is that what we have done in Syria? You say it's all we've done but that's not true. We have use military force when we've had to.

Tell me when we have used military under the Obama admin when the local forces would of taken care of it if we had asked them to?

Your acting delusional.
 
2012-09-12 05:20:34 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I seriously don't understand how President Drone Strike could be considered weak on foreign policy.

Obama'd probably pilot the damn things himself if they'd let him.


I'm a critic of this President, for all the reasons that usually invite a response of "derp!" from his fanboys, but one thing I've consistently given him credit for is the way he's handled the WoT. I think he's been very effective. Plus it helps that the left has stopped trying to hinder the effort since their guy is in charge.
 
2012-09-12 05:20:57 PM  

CynicalLA: Marine1: If we'd just shot one or two of the people invading the compound, the rest of them would have been like, "Fark man, I was just here for the free falafel, I'm going home." and all of this could have been avoided.

You are so tough and everything would have been good if you were there.


I'm not tough. It's just a matter of fact. We wouldn't have a dead ambassador and three dead assistants, and we wouldn't have to rely on the controversial drone tactic. It's very hard for America's detractors to disagree with the legitimate defense of a consulate; it's very easy to disagree with drone strikes.
 
2012-09-12 05:21:23 PM  
i141.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-12 05:21:24 PM  

mark12A: They should be made to fear us.


Riiight. Ignoring Afghanistan and Iraq, where the combined military power of the world's strongest country was insufficient, and you got your asses handed to you by a bunch of people hiding in caves with AK47's and 15$ IED kits.

You slunk out of Iraq with your tails between your legs, with the job unfinished (it's still corrupt and people are dying by the hundreds every month) and are soon to flee Afghanistan.

If they're paying attention, they don't fear you at all, unless they hear the hum of a drone.
 
2012-09-12 05:22:20 PM  

JNowe: Plus it helps that the left has stopped trying to hinder the effort since their guy is in charge.


What did they hinder under Bush exactly?
 
2012-09-12 05:22:26 PM  

sprawl15: georgeyporgey: what makes you think that these people are going to help us ? Have our back ?

Which people?


Libyan government....

//First thought I had was tropic thunder!
 
2012-09-12 05:22:46 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Cyno01: We need cooler looking drones. Seriously. I mean what the predator DOES is farking awesome. But it sorta looks like a dildo with wings.

[static.ddmcdn.com image 400x318]

[ep.yimg.com image 260x221]

We really need something more badass, like this.

[www.impdb.org image 500x265]

Even though the movie sucked.

Only if its a starfighter.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-12 05:23:27 PM  
Why do people keep bringing up that Nobel Peace Prize? Obama himself wondered "What the hell?" when they handed it to him. And what do you want? Him to actually do what the conservatives continually accuse him of doing and roll over for the extremists and terrorists? Say "You are naughty! Go to your rooms and think about what you did!"?

Shiat, talk about a no-win situation. If Obama retaliates against agression, people biatch and whine about warmongering and the Nobel. If he doesn't, people biatch and whine about him being soft and aiding the extremists and terrorists.
 
2012-09-12 05:23:47 PM  

Marine1: If we'd just shot one or two of the people invading the compound, the rest of them would have been like, "Fark man, I was just here for the free falafel, I'm going home." and all of this could have been avoided.


I heard it was done from a distance with an RPG. I heard nothing about people invading the compound in libya. do you have citation.
 
2012-09-12 05:23:59 PM  

jakomo002: mark12A: They should be made to fear us.

Riiight. Ignoring Afghanistan and Iraq, where the combined military power of the world's strongest country was insufficient, and you got your asses handed to you by a bunch of people hiding in caves with AK47's and 15$ IED kits.

You slunk out of Iraq with your tails between your legs, with the job unfinished (it's still corrupt and people are dying by the hundreds every month) and are soon to flee Afghanistan.

If they're paying attention, they don't fear you at all, unless they hear the hum of a drone.


Still less than the amount of people that die in Chicago every month.
 
2012-09-12 05:24:36 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: FTA "A senior U.S. official tells CNN that U.S. unmanned surveillance drones are expected to begin flying over Benghazai and other locations in eastern Libya to look for jihadi encampments and targets that may be tied to the attack on U.S. State Department personnel."

Yeah, i'm sure they'll be able to verify all that with a drone before shooting, and not end up just killing people indiscriminately out of some misguided desire for revenge.


The American intelligence community is a little bit better than you give them credit for. Keep hating though, we can see what your agenda is here.
 
2012-09-12 05:24:40 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: hubiestubert: In this case, these are probably exactly that: recon. That doesn't mean that there aren't armed units right behind them. You would think that folks, by now, would realize that shooting Americans is a good way to get armed Americans rolling in...

Also, the West Wing is useful again for quoting:

Bartlet: Did you know that two thousand years ago a Roman citizen could walk across the face of the known world free of the fear of molestation? He could walk across the Earth unharmed, cloaked only in the protection of the words civis Romanus -- I am a Roman citizen. So great was the retribution of Rome, universally certain, should any harm befall even one of its citizens. Where was Morris's protection, or anybody else on that airplane? Where was the retribution for the families, and where is the warning to the rest of the world that Americans shall walk this Earth unharmed, lest the clenched fist of the most mighty military force in the history of mankind comes crashing down on your house?! In other words, Leo, what the hell are we doing here?!
Leo: We are behaving the way a superpower ought to behave.
Bartlet: Well our behavior has produced some crappy results, in fact I'm not a hundred per cent sure it hasn't induced it.
Leo: What are you talking about?
Bartlet: I'm talking about two hundred and eighty-six American marines in Beirut, I'm talking about Somalia, I'm talking about Nairobi-
Leo: And you think ratcheting up the body count's gonna act as a deterrent?
Bartlet: You're damn right I-
Leo: Oh, then you are just as stupid as these guys who think capital punishment is going to be a deterrent for drug kingpins. As if drug kingpins didn't live their day to day lives under the possibility of execution, and their executions are a lot less dainty than ours and tend to take place without the bother and expense of due process. So, my friend, if you want to start using American military strength as the arm of the Lord, you can do that. We're the only superpower left. You can conquer the world, like Charlemagne! But you better be prepared to kill everyone. And you better start with me, because I will raise up an army against you and I will beat you!
Bartlet: He had a ten day old baby at home.
Leo: I know.
Bartlet: We are doing nothing.
Leo: We are not doing nothing.
Bartlet: We're destroying-
Leo: Four high-rated military targets!
Bartlet: And this is good?
Leo: Of course it's not good. There is no good. It's what there is! It's how you behave if you're the most powerful nation in the world. It's proportional, it's reasonable, it's responsible, it's merciful! It's not nothing. Four high-rated military targets.
Bartlet: Which they'll rebuild again in six months.
Leo: Then we'll blow 'em up again in six months! We're getting really good at it... It's what our fathers taught us.


tldnr; but seriously, do you keep a file of organized quotes from that show?

If so, Really?
 
2012-09-12 05:24:46 PM  

georgeyporgey: sprawl15: georgeyporgey: what makes you think that these people are going to help us ? Have our back ?

Which people?

Libyan government....

//First thought I had was tropic thunder!


The Libyan government is largely grateful to the US for their role in helping/facilitating the revolution without turning it into an Iraqi Fire Drill. Even those that don't like the US want to make amends for it because it makes them look really farking bad to not even be able to guarantee safety at embassies.
 
2012-09-12 05:24:54 PM  

Corvus: Tell me when we have used military under the Obama admin when the local forces would of taken care of it if we had asked them to?


Yemen. Somalia. Iraq. Afghanistan. Pakistan.

The USA has sent drones into every single one of those countries, in direct contravention of the governments' (I use that term loosely for Somalia) wishes.

I'm not saying it's 100% guaranteeed but I'd be shocked if it goes any different than it always did in the past.
 
2012-09-12 05:25:15 PM  

trappedspirit: [i141.photobucket.com image 501x375]


Terrible.

I like it.
 
2012-09-12 05:26:27 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: Marine1: If we'd just shot one or two of the people invading the compound, the rest of them would have been like, "Fark man, I was just here for the free falafel, I'm going home." and all of this could have been avoided.

I heard it was done from a distance with an RPG. I heard nothing about people invading the compound in libya. do you have citation.


National Post- Canada

Shows some pretty clear pictures of gunmen in the compound and fires that have been set. Beware, as it also has photos of the ambassador in his final moments.

They went in to that compound. Plain and simple.
 
2012-09-12 05:26:43 PM  
We can discuss it in the future thread that deals with the US military entering Libya.
 
2012-09-12 05:26:50 PM  

WTFDYW: jakomo002: mark12A: They should be made to fear us.

Riiight. Ignoring Afghanistan and Iraq, where the combined military power of the world's strongest country was insufficient, and you got your asses handed to you by a bunch of people hiding in caves with AK47's and 15$ IED kits.

You slunk out of Iraq with your tails between your legs, with the job unfinished (it's still corrupt and people are dying by the hundreds every month) and are soon to flee Afghanistan.

If they're paying attention, they don't fear you at all, unless they hear the hum of a drone.

Still less than the amount of people that die in Chicago every month.


do you happen to know the price of tea in china?
 
2012-09-12 05:27:29 PM  

jakomo002: Corvus: Tell me when we have used military under the Obama admin when the local forces would of taken care of it if we had asked them to?

Yemen. Somalia. Iraq. Afghanistan. Pakistan.

The USA has sent drones into every single one of those countries, in direct contravention of the governments' (I use that term loosely for Somalia) wishes.

I'm not saying it's 100% guaranteeed but I'd be shocked if it goes any different than it always did in the past.



Did you actually read my question?

You are saying authorities in Pakistan would of taken care of Osama bin Laden if we would of justturned the information over to the Pakistan authorities?
 
2012-09-12 05:27:32 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Did you know that two thousand years ago a Roman citizen could walk across the face of the known world free of the fear of molestation?


Yeah because the Persian Empire didn't exist. Wait, it did, I must have forgot. When the Emporer Valerian tried walking into Mesopotamia he was taken captive by Persian king Shapur I in the Battle of Edessa.
 
2012-09-12 05:27:52 PM  

Cyno01: We need cooler looking drones. Seriously. I mean what the predator DOES is farking awesome. But it sorta looks like a dildo with wings.

[static.ddmcdn.com image 400x318]

[ep.yimg.com image 260x221]

We really need something more badass, like this.

[www.impdb.org image 500x265]

Even though the movie sucked.


Sounwave's alternate mode in Transformers: Prime is a Predator drone. Do not diss the Predator.
 
2012-09-12 05:27:55 PM  

qorkfiend: trappedspirit: [i141.photobucket.com image 501x375]

Terrible.

I like it.


yeah that's one of those images where it's funny and you don't know why
 
2012-09-12 05:28:31 PM  

bbfreak: Hobodeluxe: [s3.amazonaws.com image 550x367]


"There's a broader lesson to be learned here: Governor Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later and as president one of the things I've learned is you can't do that," Obama told CBS News on Wednesday."It's important for you to make sure that the statements that you make are backed up by the facts and that you've thought through the ramifications before you make them."

That really was one of the stupidest things Romney has said all week, and that he doubled down on it today is just moronic. Then there is the whole revive the F-22 program. Romney is his own undoeing with his vague policy and decidedly amateur decision making. The debates are going to be awesome.


Gop: oust the good candidates by burying them in obscurity, run the most laughable idiots instead.

I generally dislike most of the democrat platform, but even as a conservative, I'm going to have to vote obama.
 
2012-09-12 05:30:09 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: FTA "A senior U.S. official tells CNN that U.S. unmanned surveillance drones are expected to begin flying over Benghazai and other locations in eastern Libya to look for jihadi encampments and targets that may be tied to the attack on U.S. State Department personnel."

Yeah, i'm sure they'll be able to verify all that with a drone before shooting, and not end up just killing people indiscriminately out of some misguided desire for revenge.


Couldn't read the very next paragraph, eh?
 
2012-09-12 05:30:09 PM  

jakomo002: Corvus: Tell me when we have used military under the Obama admin when the local forces would of taken care of it if we had asked them to?

Yemen. Somalia. Iraq. Afghanistan. Pakistan.

The USA has sent drones into every single one of those countries, in direct contravention of the governments' (I use that term loosely for Somalia) wishes.

I'm not saying it's 100% guaranteeed but I'd be shocked if it goes any different than it always did in the past.


Iraq, Afghanistan? was an Obama operation? did you even read my question or just decided to make up whatever you wanted?
 
2012-09-12 05:31:07 PM  

JNowe: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I seriously don't understand how President Drone Strike could be considered weak on foreign policy.

Obama'd probably pilot the damn things himself if they'd let him.

I'm a critic of this President, for all the reasons that usually invite a response of "derp!" from his fanboys, but one thing I've consistently given him credit for is the way he's handled the WoT. I think he's been very effective. Plus it helps that the left has stopped trying to hinder the effort since their guy is in charge.


Derp
 
2012-09-12 05:31:14 PM  

Corvus: You are saying authorities in Pakistan would of taken care of Osama bin Laden if we would of justturned the information over to the Pakistan authorities?


No, not bin Laden. But the US flew hundreds of drone sorties in Pakistan, and very often attacked and killed Pakistanis despite the Pakistani government (and people) going bananas.

"Suspected militants", as they put it.  Same thing for Yemen (though it's suspected the Yemeni government was in collusion). Same thing for Afghanistan. Same thing for Somalia.
 
2012-09-12 05:31:41 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: The American intelligence community is a little bit better than you give them credit for. Keep hating though, we can see what your agenda is here.


Strange that you think that's hating. Amusing that you think i have an agenda.

But i kind of like the idea that people think i have some secret agenda, so i'll allow it.

/you should hear what they say about you at the meetings
 
2012-09-12 05:32:09 PM  

ScottRiqui: "The American President"


"the American President" is literally "The West Wing" Release Candidate 1. He even reuses the names of off-camera politicians.
 
2012-09-12 05:32:45 PM  

Cyno01: We need cooler looking drones. Seriously. I mean what the predator DOES is farking awesome. But it sorta looks like a dildo with wings.

[static.ddmcdn.com image 400x318]

[ep.yimg.com image 260x221]

We really need something more badass, like this.

[www.impdb.org image 500x265]

Even though the movie sucked.


Dude, that's a prostate massager, not a dildo. Go ahead and tell me that there's something wrong with knowing the difference!
 
2012-09-12 05:33:11 PM  

Corvus: Iraq, Afghanistan? was an Obama operation? did you even read my question or just decided to make up whatever you wanted?


WTF. As far as I know, Obama took over and the US was still in Afghanistan and Iraq and the President is the Commander in Chief of the military.

Try to keep up.
 
2012-09-12 05:35:23 PM  

KiTTeNs_on_AciD: Cyno01: We need cooler looking drones. Seriously. I mean what the predator DOES is farking awesome. But it sorta looks like a dildo with wings.

[static.ddmcdn.com image 400x318]

[ep.yimg.com image 260x221]

We really need something more badass, like this.

[www.impdb.org image 500x265]

Even though the movie sucked.

Dude, that's a prostate massager, not a dildo. Go ahead and tell me that there's something wrong with knowing the difference!


I thought it was one of them fancy virginia rape wands. TMYK
 
2012-09-12 05:36:25 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: The Coptics better find a good hiding spot if Obama's sending drones.


Gosh, you've got the inside dope, don't you? A real man of the world!

BTW they're called Copts.
 
2012-09-12 05:37:36 PM  

StewPie: This. The guy is a threat to American security and his idiocy and bigotry just contributed to the death of four American citizens.


Because of the constitution, asshole. Those Muslims are free to make a movie shiatting on Christianity if they want to play tit for tat. Violence is an entirely different thing.
 
2012-09-12 05:38:18 PM  

mark12A: Too little. Too late.

It is better to be feared than loved, and right now the Arab world does not fear us.

They should be made to fear us.


That's great, Chazz Palminteri.
 
2012-09-12 05:39:12 PM  
Meanwhile in Libya
 
2012-09-12 05:40:01 PM  
The Drone Show should be on pay-per-view. Pop some popcorn, sit around with friends and watch some Libyans get wasted.
 
2012-09-12 05:40:06 PM  

ilambiquated: Noam Chimpsky: The Coptics better find a good hiding spot if Obama's sending drones.

Gosh, you've got the inside dope, don't you? A real man of the world!

BTW they're called Copts.


Well, it would be rather canny of them to hide in Libya when their sect is based in Egypt, wouldn't it?
 
2012-09-12 05:40:10 PM  

bartink: Those Muslims are free to make a movie shiatting on Christianity if they want to play tit for tat.


Except rumours are it was made by an Israeli. So maybe a Hezbollah-funded Holocaust denying film?
 
2012-09-12 05:40:13 PM  

jakomo002: No, not bin Laden. But the US flew hundreds of drone sorties in Pakistan, and very often attacked and killed Pakistanis despite the Pakistani government (and people) going bananas.


So you believe if we would have handed Pakistan government the information they would have taken care of it for us? The would of had those people arrested? You actually believe that? The country that was actually letting the do what they want in the autonomous region of terrorists hiding and having a blind eye to Osama Bin Laden would of swooped in and brought those people to justice if we just asked them to? 

Why do you think we had been paying Pakistan millions to fight terrorism exactly? Just for fun? Or cover for when we used the drone strikes?
 
2012-09-12 05:40:31 PM  

ilambiquated: Noam Chimpsky: The Coptics better find a good hiding spot if Obama's sending drones.

Gosh, you've got the inside dope, don't you? A real man of the world!

BTW they're called Copts.


They're known as Pigts on the street.
 
2012-09-12 05:40:45 PM  

Coelacanth: And when the drones are done, we will raze the buildings and burn the fields and salt the Earth so nothing ever grows there again.


That's pretty serious vandalism you're talking, vandalism of elephantine proportions even. I half expect to hear you're a cannibal too. You're just looking for some dark people to die at the hands of the Arian race aren't you?
 
2012-09-12 05:41:02 PM  

Corvus: Holy shiat dude I don't know what your problem is, I am agreeing with you. I am not the one saying we are bombing like many other people in this thread are, which you seem not to have a problem with. I said it was surveillance. Did I kill your puppy or something?


I have that guy marked as "4chan", a pretty succinct description of a certain character type.
 
2012-09-12 05:41:11 PM  

jakomo002: Except rumours are it was made by an Israeli. So maybe a Hezbollah-funded Holocaust denying film?


If they do and a bunch of Jews storm the embassy and kill their ambassador, I'm pretty certain I'll condemn the shiat out of it.
 
2012-09-12 05:41:31 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Meanwhile in Libya


Yeah, NOW they say it when they know the drones are coming.
 
2012-09-12 05:41:58 PM  

jakomo002: Corvus: Iraq, Afghanistan? was an Obama operation? did you even read my question or just decided to make up whatever you wanted?

WTF. As far as I know, Obama took over and the US was still in Afghanistan and Iraq and the President is the Commander in Chief of the military.

Try to keep up.


Oh so who should of we asked for those countries to arrest exactly?
 
2012-09-12 05:43:28 PM  

jakomo002: Corvus: Iraq, Afghanistan? was an Obama operation? did you even read my question or just decided to make up whatever you wanted?

WTF. As far as I know, Obama took over and the US was still in Afghanistan and Iraq and the President is the Commander in Chief of the military.

Try to keep up.


Your statement made no sense. We are at a war in those countries with troops there. Are you telling us when we are in a war situation in a country we shouldn't be allowed to use military force?

You statement makes no sense.
 
2012-09-12 05:43:45 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Meanwhile in Libya


Emboldened because I needed to see this

Thanks, WhyteRaven.
 
2012-09-12 05:44:06 PM  

DarwiOdrade: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 810x538]


Call me crazy, but I always thought "Death Blossom" would be an absolutely awesome name for a fuel-air bomb. It's like this giant, fiery flower, that kills every living thing in a 150 meter radius...
 
2012-09-12 05:44:12 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Meanwhile in Libya


Those images are heartening. All the more reason to at least give the authorities the benefit of the doubt about helping bring the attackers to justice by providing them with whatever information can be gathered with the drones.
 
2012-09-12 05:44:41 PM  

James!: Do not taunt dynamite America.


Oh ok, we'll call them back.

/rolls eyes
 
2012-09-12 05:45:46 PM  

jakomo002: Corvus: Iraq, Afghanistan? was an Obama operation? did you even read my question or just decided to make up whatever you wanted?

WTF. As far as I know, Obama took over and the US was still in Afghanistan and Iraq and the President is the Commander in Chief of the military.

Try to keep up.


I thought you meant the initial invasions. So you are saying we should not use military force when were are fighting war inside a country. Sorry I didn't think your statement could be something so crazy, so I thought you were talking about the initial invasions.
 
2012-09-12 05:45:47 PM  

obeymatt: When the attack on the embassy first happened, I kept thinking of that scene from Menace II Society when the cop is interogating Caine. "You know you done farked up right? You know that right?"


Kinda made me think of this
 
2012-09-12 05:45:55 PM  
s15.postimage.org 

/re: american diplomats and american drones
 
2012-09-12 05:46:01 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Meanwhile in Libya


That's cute, Libyian hippies.
 
2012-09-12 05:47:11 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Strange that you think that's hating.


Saying that the USA is going to indiscriminately bomb the shiat out of people is hating, yes.
 
2012-09-12 05:47:50 PM  

serial_crusher: LockeOak: serial_crusher: unavailable for comment
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 580x435]

That's a worker, not a drone.

It's a weaver ant. Read the book Kill Decision, by Daniel Suarez.
The wikipedia page on weaver ants doesn't distinguish between "workers" and "drones", but does mention that "workers perform tasks that are essential to colony survival, including foraging, nest construction, and colony defense"

So, basically you missed the reference and your drone vs. worker comment is also incorrect.


WHO THE F*CK CARES! JESUS-EFFIN-CHRIST ON A POPSICLE STICK.
 
2012-09-12 05:49:15 PM  

Corvus: So you believe if we would have handed Pakistan government the information they would have taken care of it for us? The would of had those people arrested? You actually believe that?


Not particularly, but they were YOUR allies, not mine. If you ignore a country's government and fly over their sovereign state and kill their citizens based on the fact that they're "suspected militants" (based on no actual legal evidence or due process) you are going to make enemies. Unless you can buy their leaders with cash, which doesn't affect the actual citizens of the country, which will just keep on hatin.

Why do you think we had been paying Pakistan millions to fight terrorism exactly? Just for fun? Or cover for when we used the drone strikes?

Yeah, I think it's called collusion. You tried with the military dictator in Pakistan, Musharaff. Made him rich and then he got kicked out for massive corruption. For taking bribes from another country that was paying him to allow them to kill his citizens en masse.

...making your average Joe Pakistani hate you for propping up the dictator that made their lives a living hell.

Same situation in Egypt with Mubarak, Afghanistan with Karzai, and Iraq with Maliki.

When you prop up brutal military dictators with piles of cash and diplomatic support, the people suffering under the dictators rule might, just MIGHT, have a deep distrust and maybe even hatred of you.

Thus, you get some Libyans angry enough to kill.
 
2012-09-12 05:49:33 PM  

DaCaptain19: serial_crusher: LockeOak: serial_crusher: unavailable for comment
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 580x435]

That's a worker, not a drone.

It's a weaver ant. Read the book Kill Decision, by Daniel Suarez.
The wikipedia page on weaver ants doesn't distinguish between "workers" and "drones", but does mention that "workers perform tasks that are essential to colony survival, including foraging, nest construction, and colony defense"

So, basically you missed the reference and your drone vs. worker comment is also incorrect.

WHO THE F*CK CARES! JESUS-EFFIN-CHRIST ON A POPSICLE STICK.


You, apparently.
 
2012-09-12 05:50:28 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Meanwhile in Libya


I wondered if we'd see something like this. I'm very glad they did that.
 
2012-09-12 05:51:24 PM  
FWIW my general feeling is "you picked the wrong day to fark with the USA."
The End.
 
2012-09-12 05:51:47 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: That's pretty serious vandalism you're talking, vandalism of elephantine proportions even. I half expect to hear you're a cannibal too. You're just looking for some dark people to die at the hands of the Arian race aren't you?


You've never read a book in your life, have you?

BTW, favorited!!
 
2012-09-12 05:52:08 PM  

Hobodeluxe: [s3.amazonaws.com image 550x367]


"There's a broader lesson to be learned here: Governor Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later and as president one of the things I've learned is you can't do that," Obama told CBS News on Wednesday."It's important for you to make sure that the statements that you make are backed up by the facts and that you've thought through the ramifications before you make them."


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-12 05:52:14 PM  

sprawl15: Obama's just going to deliver apologies, 500 laser guided pounds at a time.


came here to say this.

/fark you mittens, you subhuman piece of filth.
 
2012-09-12 05:52:16 PM  

serial_crusher: LockeOak: serial_crusher: unavailable for comment
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 580x435]

That's a worker, not a drone.

It's a weaver ant. Read the book Kill Decision, by Daniel Suarez.
The wikipedia page on weaver ants doesn't distinguish between "workers" and "drones", but does mention that "workers perform tasks that are essential to colony survival, including foraging, nest construction, and colony defense"

So, basically you missed the reference and your drone vs. worker comment is also incorrect.


No. I think you missed the point. The ant's name is Leon Panetta.

I looked him up...
 
2012-09-12 05:52:35 PM  
Sure seems like leaking this kind of information could harm the mission. This would be like the Seal who shot OBL writing a book about the mission BEFORE carrying it out.
 
2012-09-12 05:53:06 PM  

Corvus: So you are saying we should not use military force when were are fighting war inside a country.


No, you're saying that I'm saying that. I'm saying the USA will go in guns blazing and kill a bunch of people and piss off more Libyans because for decades THAT'S THE WAY YOU ROLL.

Again, look at Pakistan. Billions of dollars paid to the corrupt government there, for years, and now they're as far from allies as they could be, and are closer to enemies (nuclear-armed enemies). And you PAID them to be.
 
2012-09-12 05:53:07 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: hubiestubert: In this case, these are probably exactly that: recon. That doesn't mean that there aren't armed units right behind them. You would think that folks, by now, would realize that shooting Americans is a good way to get armed Americans rolling in...

Also, the West Wing is useful again for quoting:

Bartlet: Did you know that two thousand years ago a Roman citizen could walk across the face of the known world free of the fear of molestation? He could walk across the Earth unharmed, cloaked only in the protection of the words civis Romanus -- I am a Roman citizen. So great was the retribution of Rome, universally certain, should any harm befall even one of its citizens. Where was Morris's protection, or anybody else on that airplane? Where was the retribution for the families, and where is the warning to the rest of the world that Americans shall walk this Earth unharmed, lest the clenched fist of the most mighty military force in the history of mankind comes crashing down on your house?! In other words, Leo, what the hell are we doing here?!
Leo: We are behaving the way a superpower ought to behave.
Bartlet: Well our behavior has produced some crappy results, in fact I'm not a hundred per cent sure it hasn't induced it.
Leo: What are you talking about?
Bartlet: I'm talking about two hundred and eighty-six American marines in Beirut, I'm talking about Somalia, I'm talking about Nairobi-
Leo: And you think ratcheting up the body count's gonna act as a deterrent?
Bartlet: You're damn right I-
Leo: Oh, then you are just as stupid as these guys who think capital punishment is going to be a deterrent for drug kingpins. As if drug kingpins didn't live their day to day lives under the possibility of execution, and their executions are a lot less dainty than ours and tend to take place without the bother and expense of due process. So, my friend, if you want to start using American military strength as the arm of the Lord, you can do that. We're the only superpower ...


Thanks for posting that. One of the better scenes from WW. I do recall that for all the bombastic talk he went right ahead and did the whole "proportional response" thing though.

Because he wasn't prepare to "kill everybody ".

Sometimes you wish a president would though. But you can't.
 
2012-09-12 05:54:21 PM  

WTF Indeed: In before the conservatives blame Obama for not being violent enough and the whiny liberals blame Obama for being too violent.


Actually, the conservatives have been all, "why attack Libya? And why kill bn laden? Why the hate?"
 
2012-09-12 05:54:50 PM  

jakomo002: Corvus: So you believe if we would have handed Pakistan government the information they would have taken care of it for us? The would of had those people arrested? You actually believe that?

Not particularly, but they were YOUR allies, not mine. If you ignore a country's government and fly over their sovereign state and kill their citizens based on the fact that they're "suspected militants" (based on no actual legal evidence or due process) you are going to make enemies. Unless you can buy their leaders with cash, which doesn't affect the actual citizens of the country, which will just keep on hatin.

Why do you think we had been paying Pakistan millions to fight terrorism exactly? Just for fun? Or cover for when we used the drone strikes?

Yeah, I think it's called collusion. You tried with the military dictator in Pakistan, Musharaff. Made him rich and then he got kicked out for massive corruption. For taking bribes from another country that was paying him to allow them to kill his citizens en masse.

...making your average Joe Pakistani hate you for propping up the dictator that made their lives a living hell.

Same situation in Egypt with Mubarak, Afghanistan with Karzai, and Iraq with Maliki.

When you prop up brutal military dictators with piles of cash and diplomatic support, the people suffering under the dictators rule might, just MIGHT, have a deep distrust and maybe even hatred of you.

Thus, you get some Libyans angry enough to kill.


That has NOTHING to do what I asked you! You keep changing the subject. Yes America does do bad things. I never argued they didn't but that doesn't allow you to just make shiat up like you are doing.

So if we were propping up the dictator why the hell wouldn't we have him take the person out for us? Your own "logic" contradicts itself.

You really can't focus on the question I am asking you. You keep changing the subject when you realize your statements don't make sense.


Those countries would NOT have helped us, that's why we did what we did. And your statement that Obama shouldn't have used military force in the middle of a war in a war zone shows how much you are just ranting without having a logical point.
 
2012-09-12 05:55:21 PM  
When 19 Saudis attacked the US in 2001, did we attack Saudi Arabia?

HELL NO! We attacked Iraq!

So now that Libyans have attacked Americans, the only sensible thing to do is

BOMB IRAN!

Right?
 
2012-09-12 05:55:39 PM  

Hobodeluxe: "There's a broader lesson to be learned here: Governor Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later and as president one of the things I've learned is you can't do that," Obama told CBS News on Wednesday."It's important for you to make sure that the statements that you make are backed up by the facts and that you've thought through the ramifications before you make them."


Good lord!
The horror!
THE HORROR!

(We have a level headed leader!)
 
2012-09-12 05:56:17 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Why do people keep bringing up that Nobel Peace Prize? Obama himself wondered "What the hell?" when they handed it to him. And what do you want? Him to actually do what the conservatives continually accuse him of doing and roll over for the extremists and terrorists? Say "You are naughty! Go to your rooms and think about what you did!"?

Shiat, talk about a no-win situation. If Obama retaliates against agression, people biatch and whine about warmongering and the Nobel. If he doesn't, people biatch and whine about him being soft and aiding the extremists and terrorists.


Also, his approach to this nearly impossible situation isn't exactly anti-peace. It's basically, "Talk with the ones who can be reasoned with. Kill the ones who can't."
 
2012-09-12 05:57:32 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Saying that the USA is going to indiscriminately bomb the shiat out of people is hating, yes.


Without an ounce of hate, i can point to many instances where the US was pretty careless with its bombs.

This is just the first that comes to mind. Should i continue?
 
2012-09-12 05:57:35 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-12 05:59:26 PM  
I can picture it now. A drone is shot out of the sky and lands on one of the Muslims who fired a RPG. Obama would write the apology letter to the terrorist's family himself.
 
2012-09-12 06:00:10 PM  
bobcesca.com
Note to Rmoney, do not smirk while leaving the podium when talking about dead Americans, that's not good news no matter how bad your campaign is doing
 
2012-09-12 06:00:55 PM  
I liked this gem from the comments:

"If this is Obama apologizing, I don't want to see what he does when he's angry."

Heh.
 
2012-09-12 06:01:57 PM  

jakomo002:

Corvus: So you are saying we should not use military force when were are fighting war inside a country.

No, you're saying that I'm saying that. I'm saying the USA will go in guns blazing and kill a bunch of people and piss off more Libyans because for decades THAT'S THE WAY YOU ROLL.

Again, look at Pakistan. Billions of dollars paid to the corrupt government there, for years, and now they're as far from allies as they could be, and are closer to enemies (nuclear-armed enemies). And you PAID them to be.

So then now you are admitting you didn't answer my question?

NO YOU SAID IT RIGHT HERE: Look what was said:

jakomo002: Corvus: Tell me when we have used military under the Obama admin when the local forces would of taken care of it if we had asked them to?

Yemen. Somalia. Iraq. Afghanistan. Pakistan



Did you even read what I said? You seem like your just mad and can't actually even focus on what someone actually says. 

You said we didn't have to use force in Iraq. Afghanistan. That we didn't have to. You did say that.
 
2012-09-12 06:02:26 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Meanwhile in Libya


i.imgur.combbsimg.ngfiles.com

/Not serious at all
//Looks like he's just hopeful we won't kill him for no reason
 
2012-09-12 06:02:31 PM  

jigger: [i.imgur.com image 532x800]


Man I wise we lived in your Pollyannish bullshiat world. Seriously.
 
2012-09-12 06:03:29 PM  
Unless they are coming in with incendiary bombs meant to level the whole city, it's just a waste of time.

/dropping mohammed cartoon leaflets would be just as effective and wouldn't cost as much.
 
2012-09-12 06:03:32 PM  
The drones won't kill everybody. Just everybody in the general vicinity.
 
2012-09-12 06:04:25 PM  

jigger: [i.imgur.com image 532x800]


So vote Republican! Amirite?
 
2012-09-12 06:04:29 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Meanwhile in Libya


I can't help but read every one of these signs as, "Please don't bomb us."

And I saw these pictures before I even read about the article. I'd have a lot more sympathy if there still wasn't 2,000 people outside our embassy in Cairo, amongst many locations.
 
2012-09-12 06:04:35 PM  

Kanemano: Note to Rmoney, do not smirk while leaving the podium when talking about dead Americans, that's not good news no matter how bad your campaign is doing


"Those biatches got FIRED!"
 
2012-09-12 06:05:01 PM  

red5ish: clovis69: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Bartlet: Did you know that two thousand years ago a Roman citizen could walk across the face of the known world free of the fear of molestation? He could walk across the Earth unharmed, cloaked only in the protection of the words civis Romanus

Except that's a bunch of BS.

Caeser was taken hostage by pirates and he damn well was a Roman citizen. The Romans at Teutoburg Forest weren't imune from molestation.

I will give you Teutoburg. And you're right about Bartlet's speech being BS, but Caesar went back, caught and killed the pirates after they ransomed him, like he'd told them he was going to do.

Julius Caesar was a bad-ass. He was sassy too.


The Ninth Legion not available for comment.
 
2012-09-12 06:05:40 PM  

LockeOak: serial_crusher: LockeOak: serial_crusher: unavailable for comment
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 580x435]

That's a worker, not a drone.

It's a weaver ant. Read the book Kill Decision, by Daniel Suarez.
The wikipedia page on weaver ants doesn't distinguish between "workers" and "drones", but does mention that "workers perform tasks that are essential to colony survival, including foraging, nest construction, and colony defense"

So, basically you missed the reference and your drone vs. worker comment is also incorrect.

You're right, I missed the reference. But that is a worker ant, as it is wingless, outside the colony structure and seems to be foraging. Drones neither forage nor defend the colony, and are generally winged until they find a queen with which to mate.

/NERD FIGHT


It was a reference to a book that was published literally 8 weeks ago.

I'm fairly sure he picked it so someone would bite at the vague ant picture, be wrong, and then he could argue with them.

Congratulations, it was you. I'm sorry.
 
2012-09-12 06:07:21 PM  
It's really sickening when republicans suddenly get concerned about foreign civilians just because of the letter next to the President's name.
 
2012-09-12 06:07:43 PM  

GilRuiz1: Weeps:
[www.justpeace.net.ph image 298x300]


Well, I imagine a few targeted explosions are infinitely more "peaceful" than a full invasion. Nobel was a TNT guy, after all.
 
2012-09-12 06:08:34 PM  

mark12A: Too little. Too late.

It is better to be feared than loved, and right now the Arab world does not fear us.

They should be made to fear us.


God, I hate this bullshiat sentiment. It's jingoistic claptrap. Many people in the world hate the United States- and in some cases for damn good reasons. But they aren't afraid of us.

We could make them fear us, yes. Would you like to know how?

Kill at least ten percent of them. Destroy an entire generation, murder entire cities with FAX and nuclear weapons. We would literally have to kill an entire generation- at least ten to fifteen percent of the men between the ages of 15 and 40 would have to die. Probably more.

If you have the stomach to wade through blood up to your neck, you'll have your fear.

But by then the rest of the world would have made us fear them.
 
2012-09-12 06:08:42 PM  

EnviroDude: WTF Indeed: In before the conservatives blame Obama for not being violent enough and the whiny liberals blame Obama for being too violent.

because this could NEVER had been prevented with proper security at our locations (like Reagan had when our barracks were blown up)


Oh You called on Saint Reagan! DRINK

You sound tired, Which I can understand, I mean you did just take a giant threadshiat, and haven't been seen since, that can really tucker a guy out.
 
2012-09-12 06:09:29 PM  

Amos Quito: When 19 Saudis attacked the US in 2001, did we attack Saudi Arabia?

HELL NO! We attacked Iraq!

So now that Libyans have attacked Americans, the only sensible thing to do is

BOMB IRAN!

Right?


This.

dead diplomat = Franz Ferdinand

Start WWIII

Profit?
 
2012-09-12 06:09:32 PM  

vudukungfu: mrshowrules:
/Canadian

Ringleader and his but buddies would have shot them all even if they had little maple leaf flag pins on and were wearing Toronto Bule Jays hats. I hope we do, too.


Jayden! They're firin' RPGs! Grab the LeBatt's and get oot! The Zamboni is waiting fer you by the north gate!
 
2012-09-12 06:09:56 PM  
FARK conservatives: Obama is making the US look weak and apologizing to terrorists.

FARK conservatives: ZOMG Obama is sending drone strikes! He's a warmongering monster!
 
2012-09-12 06:10:44 PM  

LockeOak: serial_crusher: LockeOak: serial_crusher: unavailable for comment
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 580x435]

That's a worker, not a drone.

It's a weaver ant. Read the book Kill Decision, by Daniel Suarez.
The wikipedia page on weaver ants doesn't distinguish between "workers" and "drones", but does mention that "workers perform tasks that are essential to colony survival, including foraging, nest construction, and colony defense"

So, basically you missed the reference and your drone vs. worker comment is also incorrect.

You're right, I missed the reference. But that is a worker ant, as it is wingless, outside the colony structure and seems to be foraging. Drones neither forage nor defend the colony, and are generally winged until they find a queen with which to mate.

/NERD FIGHT


i478.photobucket.com

 
2012-09-12 06:10:52 PM  

Marine1: TrollingForColumbine: Marine1: If we'd just shot one or two of the people invading the compound, the rest of them would have been like, "Fark man, I was just here for the free falafel, I'm going home." and all of this could have been avoided.

I heard it was done from a distance with an RPG. I heard nothing about people invading the compound in libya. do you have citation.

National Post- Canada

Shows some pretty clear pictures of gunmen in the compound and fires that have been set. Beware, as it also has photos of the ambassador in his final moments.

They went in to that compound. Plain and simple.


Are you farking illiterate? The story you posted specifically says he was killed by rpgs.
 
2012-09-12 06:11:25 PM  

Coelacanth: You've never read a book in your life, have you?

BTW, favorited!!


You must have a puni intellect - that's some gaul. Don't worry though I bear a grudge against no man.
 
2012-09-12 06:12:01 PM  

beta_plus: I'm glad that Obama's withdrawal strategy from Libya has worked so well after the mess George Bush left us.


Hey Beta,

No one takes you seriously, ever.

They never will either, you're damaged goods.

Also you sound tired.
 
2012-09-12 06:12:42 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Meanwhile in Lybia

Thanks for posting that, now I'm all teary eyed.

 
2012-09-12 06:12:57 PM  

RoyHobbs22: Amos Quito: When 19 Saudis attacked the US in 2001, did we attack Saudi Arabia?

HELL NO! We attacked Iraq!

So now that Libyans have attacked Americans, the only sensible thing to do is

BOMB IRAN!

Right?

This.

dead diplomat = Franz Ferdinand

Start WWIII

Profit?


danceswithfat.files.wordpress.com

How would a world war be beneficial for a global economy?
 
2012-09-12 06:13:43 PM  

Raharu: beta_plus: I'm glad that Obama's withdrawal strategy from Libya has worked so well after the mess George Bush left us.

Hey Beta,

No one takes you seriously, ever.

They never will either, you're damaged goods.

Also you sound tired.


I think it's funny he thinks embassies are removed when a military withdraws from a country.
 
2012-09-12 06:13:43 PM  

bartink: StewPie: This. The guy is a threat to American security and his idiocy and bigotry just contributed to the death of four American citizens.

Because of the constitution, asshole. Those Muslims are free to make a movie shiatting on Christianity if they want to play tit for tat. Violence is an entirely different thing.


I'm so glad there's a constitutional scholar here to let me know bombing some idiot rightwing fundy in Florida is not legal. The idiot fundies in the Middle East are still stuck in the twelfth century, pal. The idiot fundies in the US aren't helping the situation much, are they? We can condemn and go after those guys in Libya, and I feel certain we will. Knowing that this volatility exists, it'd be nice if the lovers of Jesus, who are supposed to be on our side. would recognize that it's not a very good idea to willfully antagonize those 12th century fundies who have this horrific propensity to resort to the sort of thing that just occured in Benghazi. What's the point of this guy Terry Jones' actions? What's the end game here? We've got a lot of good folks in harms way in that part of the world, asshole.
 
2012-09-12 06:13:53 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: [s15.postimage.org image 500x674] 

/re: american diplomats and american drones



Actually, wasps are thought to be responsible for much of the complex flavor of wines.
 
2012-09-12 06:14:05 PM  

halloran: Whether you're republican or democrat the new American way is KILL KILL KILL. DEATH! MURDER! KILL YOUR BABIES and ASSASSINATE AMERICANS OVERSEAS. No trial, no jury. Just die.

Maybe there is something to this video game, movies, tv, books and music violence after all. A guy at work is all into death metal. WTF is that... seriously... you're into death music? How neat for you. And horror movies where they show cutting off peoples fingers and demented shiat. Farking weirdos the lot of you. America needs a good spanking. And I don't mean masterbate. They do enough of that already on Conan.


Uh first of all, for there to be a trial, they'd have to be US Citizens.

Secondly, a foreign national attacking an embassy or consulate, which is generally considered to be sovereign soil, is generally considered an act of war, not a crime.

You think if this were a russian, chinese, or even a british consulate/embassy, they'd be arresting and holding trials for these guys?

Frankly, it's naive to believe that US (or any nation's) laws and sensibilities apply to other countries. A lot of misguided foreign policy comes from this assumption.

Now, do I believe this constitutes reason to mount a full-on invasion? No. Evacuate the personnel, and assist the local government with identifying those responsible, and allow the local government to handle punishment (or simply have those identified quietly disappear if the locals won't do anything).

Then again, given that we now have a reputation equalling that of a kiddie raper moving into a neighborhood full of kids, or perhaps the rich white southern gentleman moving into a mostly black community in the 1950s or 1960s with a handful of money out to "help" the community....I think it best to simply stay the hell out, and provide aid and such only through a neutral organization like the UN.

Regardless of whether we just want to help, we're stuck with 80+ years of shiatty policies towards the region.
 
2012-09-12 06:16:52 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: WhyteRaven74: Meanwhile in Libya

/Not serious at all
//Looks like he's just hopeful we won't kill him for no reason


I don't know why these pictures are affecting me the way they are. I want to go there and "fark you, fark you, fark you, you're cool, fark you" the place.

So many of these poor people must be so sick and farking tired of this bullshiat. They just want to raise their kids, fall in love, start a shiatty band, have a cup of tea with some friends, and get on with life. But the fringe asshats are screwing it up.
 
2012-09-12 06:16:58 PM  

ZoeNekros: Thanks, WhyteRaven.


welcome :)
 
2012-09-12 06:18:02 PM  

Cyno01: We need cooler looking drones. Seriously. I mean what the predator DOES is farking awesome. But it sorta looks like a dildo with wings.


Why? You know how humiliating it must be to be owned by a remote dildo flown by some 18 year-old in central Kansas?
 
2012-09-12 06:18:47 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Without an ounce of hate, i can point to many instances where the US was pretty careless with its bombs.

This is just the first that comes to mind. Should i continue?



You're claiming that acts like that are intentional, lets not forget that important part of what you were saying. Of course bad shiat is going to happen when you start lobbing bombs around. You're saying that the USA doesn't give a shiat who they bomb and that's just not true, they have the strictest rules of engagement of any military force in the world. Our own soldiers are often placed in additional danger due to the strict rules that are in place.
 
2012-09-12 06:18:47 PM  

BigNumber12: Kumana Wanalaia: [s15.postimage.org image 500x674] 

/re: american diplomats and american drones


Actually, wasps are thought to be responsible for much of the complex flavor of wines.


White people rock!
 
2012-09-12 06:20:07 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: WhyteRaven74: Meanwhile in Libya

[i.imgur.com image 720x477][bbsimg.ngfiles.com image 298x303]

/Not serious at all
//Looks like he's just hopeful we won't kill him for no reason


Account created: 2012-07-20 13:47:54
 
2012-09-12 06:21:04 PM  

xanadian: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I seriously don't understand how President Drone Strike could be considered weak on foreign policy.

Obama'd probably pilot the damn things himself if they'd let him.

Who's saying they don't already?

[www.talkphotography.co.uk image 800x533]


He's friggin' Bill Pullman in ID4!
 
2012-09-12 06:22:13 PM  

GilRuiz1: Weeps:
[www.justpeace.net.ph image 298x300]


That's just the nitro-glycerin sweating out of him.
 
2012-09-12 06:22:55 PM  

mark12A: It is better to be feared than loved,


Don't worry. Nobody loves you.
 
2012-09-12 06:23:40 PM  
So we're going to kill them, because they killed us, because we killed them, because...
 
2012-09-12 06:23:58 PM  
Democratic drones or Republican contractors. I can't choose. No, wait, drones. That was easy.
 
2012-09-12 06:24:07 PM  
CNN is also reporting that the attacks were planned in advance, and "the attackers used the protest outside the consulate as a diversion, U.S. sources told CNN Wednesday.

I am very interested to see what they find out about this.
We already know Terry Jones orchestrated the attacks, but did he have help from someone?
 
2012-09-12 06:24:17 PM  
Here's a question: why spend a cool billion on a drone that will fly over the region, when we could spend, what, maybe a couple mil and have some highly trained covert boots on the ground backed up by satellites who can quietly arrange for these guys' permanent vacation without the collateral damage?
 
2012-09-12 06:24:42 PM  

Ben Enya: And what the heck did we expect? It's the Chicago way.


And, done in one!
 
2012-09-12 06:27:24 PM  

Bender The Offender: Marine1: TrollingForColumbine: Marine1: If we'd just shot one or two of the people invading the compound, the rest of them would have been like, "Fark man, I was just here for the free falafel, I'm going home." and all of this could have been avoided.

I heard it was done from a distance with an RPG. I heard nothing about people invading the compound in libya. do you have citation.

National Post- Canada

Shows some pretty clear pictures of gunmen in the compound and fires that have been set. Beware, as it also has photos of the ambassador in his final moments.

They went in to that compound. Plain and simple.

Are you farking illiterate? The story you posted specifically says he was killed by rpgs.


No, his convoy arrived, and gunmen ambushed it. Furthermore, the question was of whether or not these people got on to consulate grounds. The pictures show they did.
 
TWX
2012-09-12 06:27:58 PM  

Omnivorous: So why do my trailer trash relatives have "impeach Nancy Pelosi" over the Libyan-Egyptian stories this morning?


I think that you answered your own question...
 
2012-09-12 06:29:06 PM  

BSABSVR: Account created: 2012-07-20 13:47:54


Yyyyy.....ep..... Thanks for...... keeping a creepy eye on me..........
 
2012-09-12 06:29:47 PM  

Kit Fister: Here's a question: why spend a cool billion on a drone that will fly over the region, when we could spend, what, maybe a couple mil and have some highly trained covert boots on the ground backed up by satellites who can quietly arrange for these guys' permanent vacation without the collateral damage?


Because everyone's afraid of getting their hands dirty.
They'd rather make a show of force and hope you forget about the whole thing before election day.
 
2012-09-12 06:30:05 PM  

Kit Fister: Here's a question: why spend a cool billion on a drone that will fly over the region, when we could spend, what, maybe a couple mil and have some highly trained covert boots on the ground backed up by satellites who can quietly arrange for these guys' permanent vacation without the collateral damage?


Because a Predator drone only costs $4 million, and endangers zero American service members' lives.
 
2012-09-12 06:30:21 PM  

babygoat: farking Chicago and all their drones.


Yup.
You should have been there during NATO.
 
2012-09-12 06:31:06 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: CNN is also reporting that the attacks were planned in advance, and "the attackers used the protest outside the consulate as a diversion, U.S. sources told CNN Wednesday.

I am very interested to see what they find out about this.
We already know Terry Jones orchestrated the attacks, but did he have help from someone?


I don't put nothing past the neocons. they want Romney to win and Obama to be out. I'd be wary of sending those drones out. it could be a trap.
 
2012-09-12 06:31:54 PM  

ZoeNekros: WhyteRaven74: Meanwhile in Libya

Emboldened because I needed to see this 

Thanks, WhyteRaven.


this.
 
2012-09-12 06:35:26 PM  

GilRuiz1: Kit Fister: Here's a question: why spend a cool billion on a drone that will fly over the region, when we could spend, what, maybe a couple mil and have some highly trained covert boots on the ground backed up by satellites who can quietly arrange for these guys' permanent vacation without the collateral damage?

Because a Predator drone only costs $4 million, and endangers zero American service members' lives.


Alright, fair enough, but I think eyes-on is better than a drone (and were I capable of doing it, I would volunteer to go myself.)
 
2012-09-12 06:40:39 PM  

BigNumber12: Kumana Wanalaia: [s15.postimage.org image 500x674] 

/re: american diplomats and american drones


Actually, wasps are thought to be responsible for much of the complex flavor of wines.


And fig-newtons

/look up how figs get pollinated
 
2012-09-12 06:42:02 PM  
I think it would be helpful to nation relations if they could lay the bombs out on the ground and maybe schedule a cook-out for lunch and let people come together and eat and write "We're sorry" on the bombs and then ship them over and drop them. That just seems like a peaceful, purposeful lunch.
 
2012-09-12 06:45:04 PM  
All Libyan wedding parties cancelled until further notice.
 
2012-09-12 06:45:31 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: CNN is also reporting that the attacks were planned in advance, and "the attackers used the protest outside the consulate as a diversion, U.S. sources told CNN Wednesday.

I am very interested to see what they find out about this.
We already know Terry Jones orchestrated the attacks, but did he have help from someone?


i738.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-12 06:46:09 PM  

jakomo002: You slunk out of Iraq with your tails between your legs, with the job unfinished (it's still corrupt and people are dying by the hundreds every month) and are soon to flee Afghanistan.
If they're paying attention, they don't fear you at all, unless they hear the hum of a drone.


Don't like it, go finish the job with your country.
 
2012-09-12 06:47:33 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Why do people keep bringing up that Nobel Peace Prize? Obama himself wondered "What the hell?" when they handed it to him. And what do you want? Him to actually do what the conservatives continually accuse him of doing and roll over for the extremists and terrorists? Say "You are naughty! Go to your rooms and think about what you did!"?

Shiat, talk about a no-win situation. If Obama retaliates against agression, people biatch and whine about warmongering and the Nobel. If he doesn't, people biatch and whine about him being soft and aiding the extremists and terrorists.


He could have said "I don't deserve this" and turn it down, I suppose.
 
2012-09-12 06:49:08 PM  

Kit Fister: GilRuiz1: Kit Fister: Here's a question: why spend a cool billion on a drone that will fly over the region, when we could spend, what, maybe a couple mil and have some highly trained covert boots on the ground backed up by satellites who can quietly arrange for these guys' permanent vacation without the collateral damage?

Because a Predator drone only costs $4 million, and endangers zero American service members' lives.

Alright, fair enough, but I think eyes-on is better than a drone (and were I capable of doing it, I would volunteer to go myself.)


It costs over $1 million to train one soldier to the level needed to pull off this type of work. You'd need way more than 4 soldiers to pull off what you are suggesting, not counting the equipment costs.
 
2012-09-12 06:50:22 PM  

ZoeNekros: WhyteRaven74: Meanwhile in Libya
Emboldened because I needed to see this 
Thanks, WhyteRaven.


t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-09-12 06:50:44 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: BigNumber12: Kumana Wanalaia: [s15.postimage.org image 500x674] 

/re: american diplomats and american drones


Actually, wasps are thought to be responsible for much of the complex flavor of wines.

And fig-newtons

/look up how figs get pollinated



I cannot get drunk off of fig newtons, sir.
 
2012-09-12 06:52:29 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia:  

/re: american diplomats and american drones


Unless the wasp is in your backyard.

Then wait til it lands and beat the f@#k out of it with your flip-flop.
Rinse repeat with the next one.
 
2012-09-12 06:52:31 PM  

hubiestubert: In this case, these are probably exactly that: recon. That doesn't mean that there aren't armed units right behind them. You would think that folks, by now, would realize that shooting Americans is a good way to get armed Americans rolling in...


Exactly what they want.

Osama bin Laden stated that the purpose of the 9/11 attacks was to destroy the American economy, and that getting the USA involved in overseas wars was the best way to do that. Al Qaeda is going to keep provoking us and we're going to keep attacking until the US economy collapses. They pull the string, we jump--and keep jumping--to our doom.
 
2012-09-12 06:52:42 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: God-is-a-Taco: CNN is also reporting that the attacks were planned in advance, and "the attackers used the protest outside the consulate as a diversion, U.S. sources told CNN Wednesday.

I am very interested to see what they find out about this.
We already know Terry Jones orchestrated the attacks, but did he have help from someone?


Cnn also reported that the people behind the movie (sam bacile, etc.) Are dead ends and don't exist. The screening never happened.

I smell a rat...
 
2012-09-12 06:52:59 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: You're claiming that acts like that are intentional, lets not forget that important part of what you were saying. Of course bad shiat is going to happen when you start lobbing bombs around.


No other country has such a history of it. It's not something i'm hateful towards the US about, it's just the way it is. They're a little more 'gung-ho' than other countries, and even moreso when they have revenge on their minds.

I don't think there's any out there intentionally killing innocent people, at least i hope not, but i do know many times people are wrongly identified as threats, and permission to engage is given too easily.
 
2012-09-12 06:53:28 PM  
How many virgins again?
 
2012-09-12 06:53:29 PM  

jakomo002: Corvus: Tell me when we have used military under the Obama admin when the local forces would of taken care of it if we had asked them to?

Yemen. Somalia. Iraq. Afghanistan. Pakistan.

The USA has sent drones into every single one of those countries, in direct contravention of the governments' (I use that term loosely for Somalia) wishes.

I'm not saying it's 100% guaranteeed but I'd be shocked if it goes any different than it always did in the past.



I will be shocked if the drones haven't been there for quite some time already!
 
2012-09-12 06:53:31 PM  

BeesNuts: It was a reference to a book that was published literally 8 weeks ago.

I'm fairly sure he picked it so someone would bite at the vague ant picture, be wrong, and then he could argue with them.

Congratulations, it was you. I'm sorry.


I just wanted to do my part to advertise for a truly good book. But yes, I see now where I erred in judgment.
 
2012-09-12 06:55:42 PM  

RyogaM: Kit Fister: GilRuiz1: Kit Fister: Here's a question: why spend a cool billion on a drone that will fly over the region, when we could spend, what, maybe a couple mil and have some highly trained covert boots on the ground backed up by satellites who can quietly arrange for these guys' permanent vacation without the collateral damage?

Because a Predator drone only costs $4 million, and endangers zero American service members' lives.

Alright, fair enough, but I think eyes-on is better than a drone (and were I capable of doing it, I would volunteer to go myself.)

It costs over $1 million to train one soldier to the level needed to pull off this type of work. You'd need way more than 4 soldiers to pull off what you are suggesting, not counting the equipment costs.


Well at least everything but the fuel and bullets are reusable...
 
2012-09-12 06:55:58 PM  

SurelyShirley: So we're going to kill them, because they killed us, because we killed them, because...


I've seen this movie before.
 
2012-09-12 06:56:40 PM  

Hobodeluxe:
I don't put nothing past the neocons. they want Romney to win and Obama to be out. I'd be wary of sending those drones out. it could be a trap.


Oh. I was joking about the people that are putting more blame on Jones than the attackers themselves.
There's another group that published videos that people thought put the troops at risk, yet the sides of that argument tend to be switched when Wikileaks* is mentioned.

Anyway, If the neocons want to start a holy war they should hire some cartoonists. 


*I know, I know. But people are saying this Jones guy is putting soldiers at risk with words and videos. At some point people need to be responsible for their own actions
 
2012-09-12 06:57:14 PM  
i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-12 06:58:23 PM  

Webgrunt: Osama bin Laden stated that the purpose of the 9/11 attacks was to destroy the American economy, and that getting the USA involved in overseas wars was the best way to do that. Al Qaeda is going to keep provoking us and we're going to keep attacking until the US economy collapses. They pull the string, we jump--and keep jumping--to our doom.


All I heard was him talking about our support of Israel and our presence in Saudi Arabia. Not that he couldn't have been pleased with the gleeful way we gave up a lot of our freedoms post-9/11.
 
2012-09-12 06:59:45 PM  

Kit Fister: Regardless of whether we just want to help, we're stuck with 80+ years of shiatty policies towards the region.


It started before the British Mandate and it's been nothing but fun ever since.
But British troops were in Iraq to prevent the Germans from getting hands on oil to fuel their battleships round about World War I. Have a history lesson on me.
This is all really just the lingering after-effects of British Empire.
 
2012-09-12 06:59:53 PM  

Kit Fister: Here's a question: why spend a cool billion on a drone that will fly over the region, when we could spend, what, maybe a couple mil and have some highly trained covert boots on the ground backed up by satellites who can quietly arrange for these guys' permanent vacation without the collateral damage?


Risk of casualty with drone - 0
Risk of casualty with ground forces - greater than 0

You are risking the lives of troops to enact vengeance. Is that worth it to you? What about to them?

Whose lives do you weigh more, those that fall victim of the collateral damage, or our troops? Yeah, that question sucks.
 
2012-09-12 07:00:08 PM  

serial_crusher: It's a weaver ant. Read the book Kill Decision, by Daniel Suarez.


Actually, don't, not unless you want to be disappointed.

At best, Kill Decision is half a book. Though I figure he'll probably turn it into a trilogy, so make that 1/3rd of a book. Not one of those acceptable trilogies that actually concludes most major story lines at the end of each volume, with the next volume initiating new stories with the existing characters. No, Suarez just ends his books right in the middle of the drama, no conclusion, no ending.

With few exceptions (high fantasy, etc) I can only recommend authors like him AFTER they've completed their collections. In this case, I doubt I'll even read the concluding volume(s) as the storyline was already getting tedious. He spins some neat ideas that do an adequate job of predicting the future of drone warfare, though some of his drones are clearly designed to further his story at the expense of reality.
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MINI SPOILER - Ship cutting drones with electromagnetic feet? Really? When suicidal shape-charge bearing drones would be about a thousand times less complex, hundreds of times less expensive and equally effective? Guess he thought ship-cutters were "cool". No, they're ridiculous.
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He lost me as a reader (perhaps forever) by not explaining upfront that the primary story wouldn't be concluded for another 2 or 3 volumes. It's a crappy way for any author to treat the reader.
 
2012-09-12 07:00:17 PM  
It's funny that the Libyans' signs are spelled gooder than are the tea partyists's sign are.
 
2012-09-12 07:03:32 PM  

Big_Fat_Liar: Sure seems like leaking this kind of information could harm the mission. This would be like the Seal who shot OBL writing a book about the mission BEFORE carrying it out.


2 reasons they announced their plans:

1. See who runs, target them first
2. Election publicity
 
2012-09-12 07:04:40 PM  

Mugato: Webgrunt: Osama bin Laden stated that the purpose of the 9/11 attacks was to destroy the American economy, and that getting the USA involved in overseas wars was the best way to do that. Al Qaeda is going to keep provoking us and we're going to keep attacking until the US economy collapses. They pull the string, we jump--and keep jumping--to our doom.

All I heard was him talking about our support of Israel and our presence in Saudi Arabia. Not that he couldn't have been pleased with the gleeful way we gave up a lot of our freedoms post-9/11.


Osama said that was his intention. To bankrupt the USA just like the decade-log war in A-stan contributed to the collapse of the Soviet Union. I'd say he succeeded, considering the changes his actions have wrought. The economy is hollowed out and we're a thing, as a nation, that we would have loathed before 9/11. Secret prisons? Permawar? George Orwell wrote the blueprint.
 
2012-09-12 07:06:29 PM  
Meanwhile in Egypt night 2 of anti-US protests.  I doubt the Marines will be as restrained tonight.
 
2012-09-12 07:09:40 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: All I heard was him talking about our support of Israel and our presence in Saudi Arabia. Not that he couldn't have been pleased with t