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2012-09-12 01:44:14 PM
3 votes:
Is this an actual Apple event, or is this an attempt to satirize the presentation of common applications now expected on smartphones as special, unique features?
2012-09-12 01:25:59 PM
3 votes:
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2012-09-12 03:24:56 PM
2 votes:
I've been an iPhone user for four years. I'm in the market for a new phone, and it's not going to be yet another iPhone for exactly one reason:

iTunes

/would rather configure extended memory under DOS than use that festering, obtuse POS software ever again
2012-09-12 01:50:15 PM
2 votes:
Still no scrollable dock or widgets. Apple already lost me for a second iJesusPhone when upgrade time comes next year with all their douchey moves as of late. Also, my 4 feels so gimped and with all the updates to ios, my apps keep crashing and my battery drains quicker. I also had to shut off most of the iOS features because the damn phone was eating data left, right, and centre when I didn't even have iCloud backup turned on. Wifi synch is a jOke too. The phone doesn't "just work," it does what it wants to do whether you want to do it or not.

I liked it when I first got it, but since the 4s came out, it sucks and apple made it suck on purpose because they want me to keep buying new shinys from them every 6 months.
2012-09-12 01:46:58 PM
2 votes:
I like the new iCall feature, it allows for an instant voice connection between two parties. All you have to do is enter the other party's 10 digit code!
2012-09-12 01:43:40 PM
2 votes:
It's a hate for this "culture" that has sprung up around this company. I can't go a day in my field (IT) without someone glossing about how we should just get all Mac stuff and iPhone stuff because they all "just work", and are so much more productive, and on and on.

From what I can tell, it's a fine phone. For people that own a Mac, it might even make it the right phone for some. But this is not some "game-changer" that the indoctrinated believe that it is.
2012-09-12 01:18:59 PM
2 votes:
Summary so far: The lamest iPhone ever. Exact same thing with a slightly bigger screen.
2012-09-13 11:11:22 AM
1 votes:

ThunderPelvis: I just switched from an iphone 4 to a GS3,and they'll have to pull it out of my cold dead hands.

Sorry, no nerd has ever achieved erection after hearing the words "walled garden." People who get excited about new iphones are the same people who get excited about angry birds and facebook. Nerds want the freedom to tinker with whatever they want, not whatever Daddy Jobs says is OK.

A stock iphone is incapable of absurdly trivial tasks. Apple deliberately cripples their own hardware.


See, that's why I never understood the Apple hate. Macs, and by extension, many Apple products, have always been "for the rest of us." They aren't for nerds, tinkerers and people who like to get elbows deep in technology (although you can if you want; there's a terminal CLI and UNIX under the hood). They are purposefully dumbed-down and locked down so "the rest of us" can use them without having to constantly fiddle around with them. And in order to achieve this appliance-like state, there have to be compromises in functionality, because no matter how good Apple engineers are, they can't make everything foolproof all at once (especially when you're making products for "the rest of us"). As they figure out how to make more stuff foolproof, they release software updates that bring new features.

Personally, I consider myself to be on the border between Android and iOS. I'm intrigued by some of the features in Android, but ultimately don't want to mess with my stuff to get it to do the things I need it to do. And I really don't want carriers getting in the way of timely software updates.
2012-09-13 06:34:15 AM
1 votes:
I just switched from an iphone 4 to a GS3,and they'll have to pull it out of my cold dead hands.

Sorry, no nerd has ever achieved erection after hearing the words "walled garden." People who get excited about new iphones are the same people who get excited about angry birds and facebook. Nerds want the freedom to tinker with whatever they want, not whatever Daddy Jobs says is OK.

A stock iphone is incapable of absurdly trivial tasks. Apple deliberately cripples their own hardware.
2012-09-13 06:27:15 AM
1 votes:

COMALite J: 84 million iPads sold to date? Wow! That totally crushes, by nearly three-fold if you go by the highest estimate (Jack Tramiel′s own numbers of ~30 million) and more like 6¾× the more reliable numbers (~12½ million), the record that the Commodore 64 had of being the #1 selling model of personal computer of all time until the iPad!

(If you count the iPad as a personal computer, and I see no reason why not.)


There are three different models of the ipad, each with notable differences in hardware. Each of those three are sold in three variants regarding memory and two for networking, for a grand total of 18 different ipad models.

If you count notable hardware changes then the IBM PC would be by far the top selling computer.


The reason the Commodore 64 takes the title is that those 30 million machines were almost completely identical. The only differences between a C64 built in 1982 and one in 1994 are the shape of the case and minor changes to the sound produced by the SID chip. Everything else, from the 6502 CPU to the 64K of RAM to the VIC-II chip and the BASIC implementation were exactly the same.
2012-09-12 09:19:04 PM
1 votes:

finnished: Mitch Taylor's Bro: So, I'm going to have to assume you don't give the smallest shiat about this and just want to keep doing things "the way we've always done them...where IT shall remain the 'department of NO.'"

At the end of the day, it's the IT department who has to support the devices, and who will be on the firing line if something goes wrong.

Simply put - their network, their rules.


The whole concept of "the department of NO" has nothing to do with who has to support what or what the consequences are. It stems from the belief that IT should do more than just keep things the way they are. That they should do more than just keep things running. They should be looking for ways to use technology to solve business problems. That requires having an open mind, not just looking for ways that an initiative can fail.
2012-09-12 07:38:00 PM
1 votes:

WinoRhino: TheGhostofFarkPast: I don't know what Apple people came into your world but they are idiots. you can easily manage them with the free iPhone Configuration utility that can be deployed in a matter of seconds.

Yeah, several other people mentioned that in this thread after my post (some after calling me stupid and lazy and then posting links.) So why didn't these guys from Apple have those answers? You'd think they'd be familiar with questions like that from school district especially. Anyway, I appreciate the heads-up and will certainly look into it for the few we have out there.


No one called you stupid ;-)

Like I said, Apple is not good at communicating with enterprises. It's kind of understandable, since they were effectively shut out of the enterprise for so long. But now that there is an actual push from within enterprises to allow Apple products on the corporate network (or school district network, in your case), I think they should ramp up their enterprise sales force, do a better job at addressing enterprise needs and teaching their sales force to communicate the solutions that are out there.
2012-09-12 06:34:39 PM
1 votes:

Moopy Mac: You can't compare a Sansa Clip to an iPod Shuffle. The Sansa is well over two times as big


You just compared them.
2012-09-12 03:55:37 PM
1 votes:

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Example: NFC. It's considered pretty much standard on the most recent-gen smartphones


I don't know if I have that on my phone or, if I do, what I would be using it for.
2012-09-12 03:50:02 PM
1 votes:
The main argument I've had over iPhones is that Apple has the money and the tech to push the envelope and introduce new and awesome features.. and basically force other manufacturers to play catch-up. This is a win for the consumer, like me.
Instead, I watch Apple release a product that I've already had for a year with my S2.

Does anyone have a side by side feature list of the iPhone 5 vs let's say.. an S3? or any other popular phone?
2012-09-12 03:27:37 PM
1 votes:

Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Johnsnownw: I don't understand this infatuation with phone thickness. When I bought my Samsung Captivate, 2 years ago, I thought it was too thin. There is a point where it becomes too thin to handle, and I think we reached that stage 2 years ago. Enough with obsession over making the thinnest phone!

Also, it looks to me as though the iPhone 5 is going to cost more and have fewer or equal necessary features as current Android offerings. I don't think this phone is going to bring in many new customers, but I'm sure current owners will upgrade...because they've invested too much in the company. Suckers.

Give me a thicker phone with a larger battery any day.

According to Macworld's feed, the iPhone 5 has 8 hours of 3G talk time, 3G browsing time, and LTE browsing time, and 225 hours of standby time, which exceeds the battery performance for the iPhone 4S. That's not bad, IMO.

Not bad, but my rugby smart gets 11hrs of video with 4g,wifi, and bluetooth running.

Supposedly, the iPhone 5 gets 10 hours of video playback. If that extra hour matters, you bought the right phone. Personally, I only care about standby and talk time. I have a job that doesn't involve travel, so I seriously doubt I'll ever be watching 10 hours of video on my phone.

But hey, I personally like having choices on the market. I prefer Apple stuff, but realize it's not for everyone. I have even thought about buying a Google Nexus Tablet to see what the Android fuss is about, but I am pretty happy with my iPad and don't really want to throw $200 down for an experiment.

What I don't get, and have never understood, is why people hate Apple so much? Now that we're in an age of interoperability, why should what I use matter one bit to anyone else? And vice versa?


It's the law of the giant. Being on top of anything brings in more scrutiny than being number two or three.

Personally I don't hate Apple but I do find some of their practices disingenuous, and harmful to the American economy. I also don't support closed systems that don't allow for upgrade, opensourcing, or the freedom to manage said device without software interceding on my behalf to do so. I like being able to connect my device on whatever machine I want and move data between freely. Apple feels like bondage. Some people wear it well, others not so much.
2012-09-12 03:26:46 PM
1 votes:
I work in an ATT call center taking manager escalations as part of my job, and today it has been awful. Apple users are the worst.

The first was a lady who called at 8 am trying to preorder a phone. She was advised by three people there were no preorders yet, and that the keynote had not even taken place, so we had no idea, about the phone. I finally called an Apple store and pretended to be a customer, and they gave her the exact same info, she said "well I just had to make sure."

The phone is unimpressive, most of the die hard Apple fans at my work have been waiting for the 5, are now going to move to the S3, which is still a better phone.

There really is no way to sugar coat that terd.

One thing is when you break the touch screen on the new iphone, you will beholden to apple to get it fixed...
2012-09-12 03:17:22 PM
1 votes:
My S3 will still be better spec'd than this iPhone or the next iPhone or the one after that.
2012-09-12 03:10:06 PM
1 votes:
www.premier1supplies.com

Think Different. Or differently. Or a little bit better than last time, but still different. But better. 

Fark it, it's skinnier than the last one.
kab
2012-09-12 02:50:15 PM
1 votes:
And in the upcoming days, we'll get to see how truly strapped for cash the 99% is.
2012-09-12 02:45:08 PM
1 votes:
The iPhone 5 is meant for people who already like the iPhone. It adds new features while staying within the design parameters for an iPhone. It's not revolutionary, it's just another phone in the evolution of the iPhone. Is it up to par with current generation Android phones? I have no
idea. But even if it's not it's entirely irrelevant.

Why anybody thinks (and comments about) the fact that it's not "better than" something is just bizarre.

FWIW, I love Apple products, but the hype is just ridiculous. It's going on 1h 45m of "announcement". Granted, that's not just the new phone, but they could have announced all the new stuff in an hour, tops.
2012-09-12 02:19:53 PM
1 votes:
I like the new Nano. If it has a clip on the back it would be almost perfect for working out.
2012-09-12 02:18:31 PM
1 votes:

WinoRhino: Mitch Taylor's Bro: LOL, you're so precious.

If you say so. The Apple sales guys came into my school district trying to sell us on iPads and apple products. They have NO WAY to manage them, no way to ensure specific apps are installed across the system to everything. No response when we asked them how to maintain installation of apps through some central iTunes account. Their answer was "Just tell the teachers what to install and they can put in for reimbursement if the app costs money." The few teachers that were issued iPads via grants now want docking stations, keyboards, and have no idea how they can use them with the projectors and other classroom technology we have standard across the district like smart boards, etc.


I'll grant you that Apple has a well deserved reputation for not being able to communicate with the enterprise (and in this case, I'll consider education an enterprise). But if you gave the smallest shiat about it, you'd have the answers you needed in about 90 seconds.

http://www.apple.com/support/ipad/enterprise/

http://www.amazon.com/GSI-Quality-Adapter-iPhone-iTouch/dp/B005HRT88G / ref=pd_rhf_se_s_cp_3

http://www.amazon.com/GSI-Quality-Apple-Connector-Adapter/dp/B005HRLP P A/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1347473540&sr=8-7&keywords=ipad+projector

http://www.amazon.com/Apple-TV-MD199LL-NEWEST-VERSION/dp/B007I5JT4S/r e f=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1347473648&sr=1-1&keywords=apple+tv

So, I'm going to have to assume you don't give the smallest shiat about this and just want to keep doing things "the way we've always done them...where IT shall remain the 'department of NO.'"
2012-09-12 02:18:31 PM
1 votes:

WinoRhino: If you say so. The Apple sales guys came into my school district trying to sell us on iPads and apple products. They have NO WAY to manage them


I don't disagree with you--my perception was that apple products suck in that kind of environment for management. But my understanding was there are actually easy ways to deploy identical configurations across multiple devices. Those must have been shiatty sales reps.
2012-09-12 02:17:09 PM
1 votes:

WinoRhino: If you say so. The Apple sales guys came into my school district trying to sell us on iPads and apple products. They have NO WAY to manage them, no way to ensure specific apps are installed across the system to everything. No response when we asked them how to maintain installation of apps through some central iTunes account.


They've never heard of Apple Configurator or MDM? It not be easy or possible to have an iOS device that is both a personal and business device but they can certainly be one or the other. If your company gives you an iPad, it should be for company use, managed by the company and Apple certainly has the tools to do this but you're not going to be able to install all your games from your iTunes account on it at the same time. (or maybe you can, I'm not a Genius)
2012-09-12 02:14:50 PM
1 votes:
It's... meh.

Thinner, lighter... can't really say I care about that anymore.
They're last to the LTE race. Even Nokia/MS beat them.
A more powerful CPU is par for the course.

Not blown away. It'll sell millions. The Lumia 920 was more interesting to me... especially the touchscreen that can be used with gloves. Now THAT is a feature everyone could use at some point.
2012-09-12 02:13:55 PM
1 votes:

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Nexzus: This is what I still don't get about iOS - no widgets. Widgets are the most supremely awesome thing to ever grace a smartphone. Unfortunately, the Samsung widgets on my S3 suck ass, but on my Desire HD, one look at the home screen, I had the time, weather, next appointment, and subject, sender and first few lines of my latest email.

That's weird. I just swiped down on my phone and got the weather forecast for the week, next few calendar items, couple lines of recent emails, and recent Facebook postings. You do know Notification Center is a thing, right?


Yes, we do. Android has had it for 3 years.
2012-09-12 02:12:50 PM
1 votes:

Nexzus: This is what I still don't get about iOS - no widgets. Widgets are the most supremely awesome thing to ever grace a smartphone. Unfortunately, the Samsung widgets on my S3 suck ass, but on my Desire HD, one look at the home screen, I had the time, weather, next appointment, and subject, sender and first few lines of my latest email.


That's weird. I just swiped down on my phone and got the weather forecast for the week, next few calendar items, couple lines of recent emails, and recent Facebook postings. You do know Notification Center is a thing, right?
2012-09-12 02:08:15 PM
1 votes:

BohemianGraham: Still no scrollable dock or widgets.


This is what I still don't get about iOS - no widgets. Widgets are the most supremely awesome thing to ever grace a smartphone. Unfortunately, the Samsung widgets on my S3 suck ass, but on my Desire HD, one look at the home screen, I had the time, weather, next appointment, and subject, sender and first few lines of my latest email.

Swipe left I'd have more of my inbox. Swipe right and I'd have more of my calendar. It (was) highly functional.
2012-09-12 02:08:03 PM
1 votes:

Johnsnownw: I don't understand this infatuation with phone thickness


Two words: skinny jeans.
2012-09-12 02:06:36 PM
1 votes:

swaxhog: imasig: All of their 2 year contracts are coming up so they are in line for a phone replacement. What phone do you think they are going to get with the Iphone 5 sitting there brand spanking new?

Actually, it's worse than that. There is a new phone every months and you have a contract of 24 or 36 months. So you want the shiny, no problem, just reset your contract back to day 1. You're perpetually locked-in by design. This goes for Apple, Google and Windows phones. The ecosystems are purposefully built so the you use the device the harder it is to switch brands because you have so much invested. With Apple, they can get people using iPod Touch and wifi iPads that will go iPhone over Android because all their apps they own transfer over.


I have an iPod touch precisely because I don't want an iPhone. I don't need to pay an extra data plan when I'm almost always within range of wifi.

/Don't have a smart phone
//Not wanting one either
2012-09-12 02:04:16 PM
1 votes:

Mitch Taylor's Bro: LOL, you're so precious.


If you say so. The Apple sales guys came into my school district trying to sell us on iPads and apple products. They have NO WAY to manage them, no way to ensure specific apps are installed across the system to everything. No response when we asked them how to maintain installation of apps through some central iTunes account. Their answer was "Just tell the teachers what to install and they can put in for reimbursement if the app costs money." The few teachers that were issued iPads via grants now want docking stations, keyboards, and have no idea how they can use them with the projectors and other classroom technology we have standard across the district like smart boards, etc.
2012-09-12 01:52:02 PM
1 votes:

secularsage: So, what, exactly, does an iPhone 5 do that should make me want to toss my Razr Maxx in the trash and go stand in line to buy one?


Nothing. It's designed to capitalize on the opportunity to resell the device to everyone who bought the Iphone 4 when it came out. And to a lesser extent minimize the chance that they switch to Android. All of their 2 year contracts are coming up so they are in line for a phone replacement. What phone do you think they are going to get with the Iphone 5 sitting there brand spanking new?
2012-09-12 01:51:29 PM
1 votes:
On another note: why do these tech demos always involve old guys with lots of money, trying to pretend like they're hip enough to tweet, hang out with their young friends or join people for sushi?
2012-09-12 01:50:47 PM
1 votes:

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Yeah, it's weird the way users want something that works and this annoys IT guys.


How else are the neck beards going to feel superior if people stop coming to them for help?
2012-09-12 01:50:15 PM
1 votes:
So the new Apple dock connector is "Lightning". Which follows Thunderbolt. Will the next one be called Galileo Figaro Magnifico-ooo-ooo-ooo?
2012-09-12 01:48:55 PM
1 votes:

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Ba'boon: I can't go a day in my field (IT) without someone glossing about how we should just get all Mac stuff and iPhone stuff because they all "just work"

Yeah, it's weird the way users want something that works and this annoys IT guys.


If it all just worked, I'd love it. But they don't. I have to answer more calls from departments that use Macs than PCs. Applications don't work, plenty of printing issues, AD connectivity is a trainwreck, and on and on.

The whole thing has just completely jaded me I'm sure.
2012-09-12 01:46:24 PM
1 votes:

Ba'boon: I can't go a day in my field (IT) without someone glossing about how we should just get all Mac stuff and iPhone stuff because they all "just work"


Yeah, it's weird the way users want something that works and this annoys IT guys.
2012-09-12 01:41:10 PM
1 votes:

daverzzz: daverzzz: And now all of your docks and other gadgets with a 30-pin connector are obsolete!

/Pay us MOAR!

An adapter! We'll sell you an adapter!


OMFG! It isn't going to plug into my TRS-80 any morez!!1!
2012-09-12 01:39:20 PM
1 votes:
Another proprietary connector? Fark you apple. This coming from someone with an ipad macbook and iphone. Using farking microusb so i don't have to keep track of a dozen chargers.
2012-09-12 01:39:19 PM
1 votes:
And now all of your docks and other gadgets with a 30-pin connector are obsolete!

/Pay us MOAR!
2012-09-12 01:38:58 PM
1 votes:
They just can't use micro usb like the rest of the world? No sir! They're visionaries!
2012-09-12 01:36:57 PM
1 votes:
More magnets!!
kab
2012-09-12 01:36:41 PM
1 votes:
My god, I'm on the edge of my seat for the next incremental release of features that could have been implemented 3 models ago.

CANNOT WAIT.
2012-09-12 01:36:31 PM
1 votes:

daverzzz: So far, seems to be announcing stuff that most Android phones have been doing for nigh on 2 years. Meh....but the iZombies will love it.


There's not a single "revolutionary" thing - and that isn't already available on any flagship Android phone. I just don't understand. This seems to be less of a step than the 4S was.
2012-09-12 01:35:04 PM
1 votes:
So far, seems to be announcing stuff that most Android phones have been doing for nigh on 2 years. Meh....but the iZombies will love it.
2012-09-12 01:30:19 PM
1 votes:

abhorrent1: Looks just like the last 4.


No shiat, Sherlock. It's an iPhone.

It's just an evolution of the same design. The new features and improvements, aside from the 4" screen are
inside.
2012-09-12 01:26:01 PM
1 votes:
Near field communication? 3D camera? Waterproof? Bigger screens are available with the Galaxy Note Phablet and just about anything else. Can anybody say something about this toy to make me care?
2012-09-12 01:22:18 PM
1 votes:
Oh wow its thinner and lighter and has a bigger screen. This demands hours of presentation and days of debate.
 
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