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2012-09-12 04:28:05 PM

Jerseysteve22: Youtube app


YouTube has already released a native app that offers moar better stuff and things.

And more ads.
 
2012-09-12 04:31:32 PM

serial_crusher: That's a rather naive objection. You're afraid somebody's going to swipe a device near your pocket that steals your money? Because:
1) NFC requires pretty close range.
2) In any decently designed UI, the payer would have to press some kind of accept button.


No idea what crackers may come up with. It's probably the future of payment methods, hell the Japanese have probably already been using it for a decade. I'm sure I'll use it eventually. Just saying that over here, I'm not going to be among the first.

As far as a feature to choose between an iPhone and Android device, it would be a fairly small consideration, even though some people are insisting

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: It is a big deal.

 

FWIW I checked, I have a 'droid device about a year old, and it doesn't have NFC, must be the newest crop like the SIII and such that come with this and bluetooth 4.0. I have no idea what that does, will probably look it up later.

iPhones have typically been a little slow to pick up the newest tech, e.g. they're just adding LTE now, a lot of people were miffed with the first iPhone lack of 3G, etc.
 
2012-09-12 04:43:16 PM

Latinwolf: I prefer the term iDrones, but with some of them iPussies might be more accurate.


jeez, do you suck your mother's dick with that mouth?

it's a phone. if you don't like it, don't buy it. why the hate?
 
2012-09-12 04:44:29 PM
When people say their iOS device does everything they need it to, then I always immediately think that Apple is just right for them, since they're not tech-savvy enough to realize what they're missing. That, and people are mostly herd-followers, so the iPhone 5 will sell brazillions.

By far the most interactive and option-laden OS I've used on a mobile hand-held device is Android 4, and I had an iPhone 3G for 2.5 years and currently also have an iPhone 4 from work. My HTC Amaze running Android spins circles around the iPhone 4S due to the OS and expandable micro-SD memory alone (they have many of the same stats except for my larger screen)... the only downside is the shorter battery life on Android devices, but considering all the ways it blows either iPhone I've had away I don't mind charging it nightly. Plus, I have an extra battery for it that I can just swap out, and keep everything going full tilt all the time :-)

Not being a slave to DRM with some neat software from Europe doesn't hurt either.

But iFans don't actually care about specs, they care that they're using that cool Apple device that's just so pretty to look at.
 
2012-09-12 05:01:44 PM
I gave my iPhone 4 to my mom and got a Galaxy SIII. It sucked to leave all the apps behind, especially since I dumped my iPad for a nexus7, but so far I really like android.

This iPhone 5 doesn't do anything my S3 doesn't do beyond icloud, but Google has its own service.

The only thing I hate is the crappy autocorrect, but jelly bean on my nexus7 is better at it so hopefully a jelly bean update comes soon to the S3.

I do like that iPod nano, especially since it has physical buttons again. I think I may get one for biking and using in the car.
 
2012-09-12 05:02:29 PM

serial_crusher: Let's talk data plans. I've been grandfathered in to AT&T's unlimited 3G data plan, but now with LTE coming out, what should I do? Suck it up and deal with the stupid cap on AT&T LTE? Suck it up and deal with the stupid cap on Verizon's LTE? Stay on 3G?

Will AT&T's 3G network get less shiatty when people stop using it, or will they start shutting down hardware to maintain the same level of crappiness?


I went from a 3G Focus to a LTE Nokia and was forced to get a LTE plan
 
2012-09-12 05:02:39 PM

styckx: Really Dave?? REALLY?

[i2.cdnds.net image 618x407]


That picture would make Kurt Cobain want to blow his brains out.
 
2012-09-12 05:09:46 PM
Great comparison article.

Looks like the Galaxy SIII and Lumia 920 have several key advantages.

Engadget
 
2012-09-12 05:13:09 PM
Oh wait, looks like iPhone does have Bluetube 4.0. Had it last model actually. Maybe that's back to not being a big deal, or being a big deal, depending on which side of the phone-political spectrum you're on.
 
2012-09-12 05:14:07 PM

Marine1: styckx: Really Dave?? REALLY?

[i2.cdnds.net image 618x407]

Ohhhhhhh... that's... not good.


Not just not good... it's unfortunate.


Well, Nickleback was booked up.......................
 
2012-09-12 05:17:14 PM

jso2897: Marine1: styckx: Really Dave?? REALLY?

[i2.cdnds.net image 618x407]

Ohhhhhhh... that's... not good.


Not just not good... it's unfortunate.

Well, Nickleback was booked up.......................


That's the acid to the hipster base. The amount of rock douchebaggery that would have been compressed into that presentation hall would have created a vortex of suck that would have sucked Cupertino completely up its own asshole.
 
2012-09-12 05:18:48 PM

Marine1: jso2897: Marine1: styckx: Really Dave?? REALLY?

[i2.cdnds.net image 618x407]

Ohhhhhhh... that's... not good.


Not just not good... it's unfortunate.

Well, Nickleback was booked up.......................

That's the acid to the hipster base. The amount of rock douchebaggery that would have been compressed into that presentation hall would have created a vortex of suck that would have sucked Cupertino completely up its own asshole.


My personal choice for that gig would have been GWAR - but there's a reason apple doesn't hire me to do their event planning.
 
2012-09-12 05:25:38 PM

FlashHarry: Latinwolf: I prefer the term iDrones, but with some of them iPussies might be more accurate.

jeez, do you suck your mother's dick with that mouth?

it's a phone. if you don't like it, don't buy it. why the hate?


Why the white knighting then?
 
2012-09-12 05:26:22 PM

serial_crusher: what should I do? Suck it up and deal with the stupid cap on AT&T LTE? Suck it up and deal with the stupid cap on Verizon's LTE? Stay on 3G?


Check your monthly data usage and plan accordingly.

That's why I liked T-Mobe's plan, you run against your "4G" HSPA+ cap (I did once with a runaway app syncing with a server), then they cut you back down to 2G. With the other carriers, they rape you. Literally come to your house and rape you.

However, since I fixed the issue with that app, I've not come close to my 5GB cap once, YMMV. Personally I wish all the other carrier would do something similar, maybe offer you the option to either have 3G for the remainder of your billing cycle, or purchase additional high-speed bandwidth at reasonable rapes. I mean rates.
 
2012-09-12 05:29:31 PM
AT&T announce that unlimited plans can be grandfathered in when upgrading to iPhone 5:

Link
 
2012-09-12 05:30:21 PM
serious question here. I need to get a new phone and phone company due to moving out of Sprint's service area. I'm a apple user (original apple iic owner) but never owned the iPhone as I saw no need but now I am taking care of my Mom who has Alzheimer's and will need to sync my laptop with my phone for contacts and appointments/reminders.

I realize the iphone would be the easiest phone to combine but is there a better choice out there. I first and foremost want a decent phone. I currently own a blackberry curve and it works great as a phone. My son has an android htc (google apps if i'm correct) and loves it but he doesn't use it to sync with his laptop.

as a side note my sister would like to set up a google calendar for my mom's appointments and other stuff is this possible with iCal and iPhone

thank you
 
2012-09-12 05:30:23 PM
So much is being made about the connector. Use your current device in your old gadgets. It's not like the device becomes a brick when you upgrade.
 
2012-09-12 05:35:05 PM

influx: AT&T announce that unlimited plans can be grandfathered in when upgrading to iPhone 5:

Link


That's good to hear, but they don't specifically say that I'll be grandfathered in and granted access to the LTE network. They could feasibly keep me as 3G only, right?
 
2012-09-12 05:45:45 PM

serial_crusher: influx: AT&T announce that unlimited plans can be grandfathered in when upgrading to iPhone 5:

Link

That's good to hear, but they don't specifically say that I'll be grandfathered in and granted access to the LTE network. They could feasibly keep me as 3G only, right?


No, I work for ATT, you will just be moved to an LTE plan, like we have done for the past 2 years with Android phones.
 
2012-09-12 05:49:51 PM

Fark You Buddy: Why the white knighting then?


where did i white knight? have i defended apple anywhere in this thread? i merely find apple derangement syndrome amusing.
 
2012-09-12 05:49:51 PM

Swoop1809: I gave my iPhone 4 to my mom and got a Galaxy SIII. It sucked to leave all the apps behind, especially since I dumped my iPad for a nexus7, but so far I really like android.

This iPhone 5 doesn't do anything my S3 doesn't do beyond icloud, but Google has its own service.

The only thing I hate is the crappy autocorrect, but jelly bean on my nexus7 is better at it so hopefully a jelly bean update comes soon to the S3.

I do like that iPod nano, especially since it has physical buttons again. I think I may get one for biking and using in the car.


Ask and you shall receive!

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.touchtype.swiftkey& f eature=nav_other

Meet Swiftkey3. No one likes paying for a keyboard app but I assure you this one is worth it. It has ridiculously accurate auto-correct and predictive text that learns from your typing habit. It can also separate words that you've forgotten to separate with a space bar.
The predictive text is insane. The other day I was talking politics with a friend via text and I typed "house of" and the recommended word after that was "representatives." If I type "more or" the recommended word is "less." It can also learn your typing from Gmail, Facebook,Twitter, and other apps if you allow it to.
The features go on and on.
 
2012-09-12 05:55:35 PM

Waldo Pepper: I realize the iphone would be the easiest phone to combine but is there a better choice out there


Honestly, from reading your situation, no. Not really. As far as syncing calendar and appointments, Android works great for me, but iPhone can do that too with Google calendar, gmail contacts, etc.
There are some Android phones with bigger (some with *very* large) screens if that is an important thing to you. But iPhones are great. I'd suggest getting one.
 
2012-09-12 06:04:15 PM

Dr.Knockboots: The main argument I've had over iPhones is that Apple has the money and the tech to push the envelope and introduce new and awesome features.. and basically force other manufacturers to play catch-up. This is a win for the consumer, like me.
Instead, I watch Apple release a product that I've already had for a year with my S2.


Your S2? I could see Skyrocket (which came out 12/2011), but an S2 isn't even LTE.
 
2012-09-12 06:12:44 PM
A 2GB MP3 player for $50 is kind of insulting right now. The Shuffle isn't any better than any other screen-less Mp3 player on the market, and you can get a Sansa Clip with a lot more storage (and an SD slot) for a lower price.

I love my iPad 2, but it's pretty obvious Apple is screwing people hard with the Shuffle. 2GB of storage is a joke at today's memory prices.
 
2012-09-12 06:13:26 PM

wholedamnshow: Swoop1809: I gave my iPhone 4 to my mom and got a Galaxy SIII. It sucked to leave all the apps behind, especially since I dumped my iPad for a nexus7, but so far I really like android.

This iPhone 5 doesn't do anything my S3 doesn't do beyond icloud, but Google has its own service.

The only thing I hate is the crappy autocorrect, but jelly bean on my nexus7 is better at it so hopefully a jelly bean update comes soon to the S3.

I do like that iPod nano, especially since it has physical buttons again. I think I may get one for biking and using in the car.

Ask and you shall receive!

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.touchtype.swiftkey& f eature=nav_other

Meet Swiftkey3. No one likes paying for a keyboard app but I assure you this one is worth it. It has ridiculously accurate auto-correct and predictive text that learns from your typing habit. It can also separate words that you've forgotten to separate with a space bar.
The predictive text is insane. The other day I was talking politics with a friend via text and I typed "house of" and the recommended word after that was "representatives." If I type "more or" the recommended word is "less." It can also learn your typing from Gmail, Facebook,Twitter, and other apps if you allow it to.
The features go on and on.


I've actually had Swiftkey 3 on my phone for awhile, but have been using SlideIT (which kind of sucks). Does Swiftkey 3 have a swipe function?
 
2012-09-12 06:19:58 PM
heh. I have a grandfathered in unlimited family plan with tmo voice text & data . Combined for both phones is $150 a month. We're gonna keep our galaxy s2's which are rooted so we can have the free hotspot. and sell the new s3's for a $1000 total on craigslist which will net us about $500 after paying for the upgrades. So, that's already pretty good. Then tmo is sending us 2 $100 gift cards AND paying my next bill. No wonder they're struggling.
 
2012-09-12 06:21:30 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Ba'boon: I can't go a day in my field (IT) without someone glossing about how we should just get all Mac stuff and iPhone stuff because they all "just work"

Yeah, it's weird the way users want something that works and this annoys IT guys.


Believe me, if Apple stuff really did live up to the "it just works" hype, IT guys would be all over it.
 
2012-09-12 06:22:10 PM

ZeroCorpse: A 2GB MP3 player for $50 is kind of insulting right now. The Shuffle isn't any better than any other screen-less Mp3 player on the market, and you can get a Sansa Clip with a lot more storage (and an SD slot) for a lower price.

I love my iPad 2, but it's pretty obvious Apple is screwing people hard with the Shuffle. 2GB of storage is a joke at today's memory prices.


You can't compare a Sansa Clip to an iPod Shuffle. The Sansa is well over two times as big. They are different products.
 
2012-09-12 06:29:25 PM

Moopy Mac: You can't compare a Sansa Clip to an iPod Shuffle. The Sansa is well over two times as big. They are different products.


True. But his point stands. 2gb is a joke at today's prices. Hell, it's a joke at last year's prices. But if someone will pay it, why not I suppose.
 
2012-09-12 06:34:39 PM

Moopy Mac: You can't compare a Sansa Clip to an iPod Shuffle. The Sansa is well over two times as big


You just compared them.
 
2012-09-12 06:36:58 PM

machodonkeywrestler: Video time is just used to show battery life under max load, which is a good indicator of what you will get with the other functions. the 1 hr isn't what I made my decision based on. I wanted a waterproof and shockproof smartphone.


Gotcha.
 
2012-09-12 06:42:31 PM

FlashHarry: it's a phone. if you don't like it, don't buy it. why the hate?


Because it's off-putting watching people act animals. When you put a rat in a maze with cheese at the end, when the rat gets the cheese its brain releases dopamine, triggering a reward sensation. iDrones are the rats, iProducts are the cheese.
 
2012-09-12 06:47:44 PM

Kaybeck: FlashHarry: it's a phone. if you don't like it, don't buy it. why the hate?

Because it's off-putting watching people act animals. When you put a rat in a maze with cheese at the end, when the rat gets the cheese its brain releases dopamine, triggering a reward sensation. iDrones are the rats, iProducts are the cheese.


There's always cheese in a mousetrap.
 
2012-09-12 06:57:04 PM

Samwise Gamgee: Kaybeck: FlashHarry: it's a phone. if you don't like it, don't buy it. why the hate?

Because it's off-putting watching people act animals. When you put a rat in a maze with cheese at the end, when the rat gets the cheese its brain releases dopamine, triggering a reward sensation. iDrones are the rats, iProducts are the cheese.

There's always cheese in a mousetrap.


not true, I use peanut butter.
 
2012-09-12 07:12:16 PM

theflatline: serial_crusher: influx: AT&T announce that unlimited plans can be grandfathered in when upgrading to iPhone 5:

Link

That's good to hear, but they don't specifically say that I'll be grandfathered in and granted access to the LTE network. They could feasibly keep me as 3G only, right?

No, I work for ATT, you will just be moved to an LTE plan, like we have done for the past 2 years with Android phones.


Hell I needed to talk to you because they forced me to get a LTE plan with my Nokia Lumia
/Came from a Focus with a 3G plan
 
2012-09-12 07:15:35 PM

Kaybeck: FlashHarry: it's a phone. if you don't like it, don't buy it. why the hate?

Because it's off-putting watching people act animals. When you put a rat in a maze with cheese at the end, when the rat gets the cheese its brain releases dopamine, triggering a reward sensation. iDrones are the rats, iProducts are the cheese.


That's just an excuse that Apple hating assholes use.
 
2012-09-12 07:23:51 PM
This will be the coolest thing to happen to these people until the iPhone 6 is released next year.
 
2012-09-12 07:24:53 PM
Another thing that is a bit oft putting is the Panorama feature of iOS 6 only supporting iphone 4s and above. I have the iphone 4 and wont get that feature. Of course I don't care since I've been using Photosynth since a year or more and didnt need to wait for the feature. But really why act like you need better hardware for features that have been already available for a while.
 
2012-09-12 07:37:33 PM

serial_crusher: Jerseysteve22: No more Google Maps and Youtube app with the new IOS 6 update? That kinda sucks

YouTube as an app never made sense to me. They can stick an HTML5 player in the web browser, like they already do in places where YouTube videos are embedded.
Or, let Google release their own YouTube app that they have control over.

We'll see how Apple's maps stack up to Google's


I liked it because it was convenient. It was right there. No web browser to fire up. I just search and upload from their app.
 
2012-09-12 07:38:00 PM

WinoRhino: TheGhostofFarkPast: I don't know what Apple people came into your world but they are idiots. you can easily manage them with the free iPhone Configuration utility that can be deployed in a matter of seconds.

Yeah, several other people mentioned that in this thread after my post (some after calling me stupid and lazy and then posting links.) So why didn't these guys from Apple have those answers? You'd think they'd be familiar with questions like that from school district especially. Anyway, I appreciate the heads-up and will certainly look into it for the few we have out there.


No one called you stupid ;-)

Like I said, Apple is not good at communicating with enterprises. It's kind of understandable, since they were effectively shut out of the enterprise for so long. But now that there is an actual push from within enterprises to allow Apple products on the corporate network (or school district network, in your case), I think they should ramp up their enterprise sales force, do a better job at addressing enterprise needs and teaching their sales force to communicate the solutions that are out there.
 
2012-09-12 07:38:09 PM

markie_farkie: Jerseysteve22: Youtube app

YouTube has already released a native app that offers moar better stuff and things.

And more ads.


I'm getting sick of being advertised to. Leave me the hell alone.
 
2012-09-12 07:44:36 PM
I have an HTC One X and an iPhone 4. I actually like the iPhone 4 better. It's just nicer. Maybe it doesn't do everything the Android does, but I actually do care about looks and quality in my phone.
 
2012-09-12 08:33:51 PM

influx: AT&T announce that unlimited plans can be grandfathered in when upgrading to iPhone 5:

Link


This makes me happy.
 
Ant
2012-09-12 08:53:48 PM

Johnsnownw: I don't understand this infatuation with phone thickness. When I bought my Samsung Captivate, 2 years ago, I thought it was too thin. There is a point where it becomes too thin to handle, and I think we reached that stage 2 years ago. Enough with obsession over making the thinnest phone!


Yeah, this. I actually bought a case for my Galaxy S3 because it was too thin. I was afraid I'd drop it. I need a little bulk in a phone
 
2012-09-12 09:02:04 PM

Johnsnownw: Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Johnsnownw:
What I don't get, and have never understood, is why people hate Apple so much? Now that we're in an age of interoperability, why should what I use matter one bit to anyone else? And vice versa?

Many people take issue with Apple's patent absurdity. There are other players in this, but Apple is the major one, and it's been pretty ridiculous for some time.

That's where a LOT of the hate comes from.


Oh come ON! Apple hate goes back a lot farther than that!

And you have to admit that the iPhone WAS a game-changer. There was no phone quite like it before it was released. But about a year later, Android was released. And about a year after that, Eric Schmidt resigns from Apple's BoD...probably about three years too late.

If you had invested as much time and money developing something as unique as the original iPhone wouldn't you protect it by any legal means possible?
 
2012-09-12 09:19:04 PM

finnished: Mitch Taylor's Bro: So, I'm going to have to assume you don't give the smallest shiat about this and just want to keep doing things "the way we've always done them...where IT shall remain the 'department of NO.'"

At the end of the day, it's the IT department who has to support the devices, and who will be on the firing line if something goes wrong.

Simply put - their network, their rules.


The whole concept of "the department of NO" has nothing to do with who has to support what or what the consequences are. It stems from the belief that IT should do more than just keep things the way they are. That they should do more than just keep things running. They should be looking for ways to use technology to solve business problems. That requires having an open mind, not just looking for ways that an initiative can fail.
 
2012-09-12 09:23:38 PM

WitchyWoman: What I don't get, and have never understood, is why people hate Apple so much? Now that we're in an age of interoperability, why should what I use matter one bit to anyone else? And vice versa?

It's the law of the giant. Being on top of anything brings in more scrutiny than being number two or three.

Personally I don't hate Apple but I do find some of their practices disingenuous, and harmful to the American economy. I also don't support closed systems that don't allow for upgrade, opensourcing, or the freedom to manage said device without software interceding on my behalf to do so. I like being able to connect my device on whatever machine I want and move data between freely. Apple feels like bondage. Some people wear it well, others not so much.


Apple hate has existed long before Apple became a dominant player in the personal computer industry. I've used macs since the dominant theme of every Macworld Expo was, "When is Sony going to buy Apple?"

Everything else you said has merit, though.
 
2012-09-12 09:24:42 PM

Marine1: NutznGum: GRCooper: I've been an iPhone user for four years. I'm in the market for a new phone, and it's not going to be yet another iPhone for exactly one reason:

iTunes

/would rather configure extended memory under DOS than use that festering, obtuse POS software ever again

I think you'll want to look at the Galaxy SIII of the Nokia Lumia 920. Those look to be the two best phones available right now.

The Lumia 920 made me jizz through my pants, through the brink wall, and into the next room for one reason:

You can use it with gloves on.


Sounds like it had better be jizz-proof, too ;-)
 
2012-09-12 09:56:08 PM
In this sea of irrational anger, there's one thing that seems to have gone unmentioned: The CPU is an ARM Cortex A15. That makes Apple among the first (if not THE first) vendor to ship a device with an A15 SoC, which is pretty darned spiffy. They're claiming twice the horsepower, but ARM stated (IIRC) that the A15 was about 40% faster clock-for-clock than the A9, so I'm wondering if the die shrink and lower power consumption of the A15 let Apple crank up the clocks something major. I'm looking forward to benchmarks, if only for a taste of what is to come from other vendors.

That and the screen has the full sRGB color gamut, which is bloody nuts on a phone. Now if only Apple could bring that to all of their displays...
 
2012-09-12 10:09:26 PM

Durendal: In this sea of irrational anger, there's one thing that seems to have gone unmentioned: The CPU is an ARM Cortex A15. That makes Apple among the first (if not THE first) vendor to ship a device with an A15 SoC, which is pretty darned spiffy. They're claiming twice the horsepower, but ARM stated (IIRC) that the A15 was about 40% faster clock-for-clock than the A9, so I'm wondering if the die shrink and lower power consumption of the A15 let Apple crank up the clocks something major. I'm looking forward to benchmarks, if only for a taste of what is to come from other vendors.

That and the screen has the full sRGB color gamut, which is bloody nuts on a phone. Now if only Apple could bring that to all of their displays...


Especially since sRGB was invented by MS and HP... And Samsung did it first. The S3 owns all iphones.
 
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