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2012-09-12 03:10:30 PM

Ba'boon: And then they still say garbage like this:

"iPhone 5 and iOS 6, the biggest things to happen for iPhone since iCloud. I am so incredibly proud of everyone at Apple."


‶Today is the greatest day in the history of the universe since yesterday!′′
 
2012-09-12 03:10:34 PM
Disappointed nobody called the Foo Fighters a "hipster" band.
 
2012-09-12 03:10:46 PM

phimuskapsi: Terrible experience imho. The iTunes changes were not asked for, and I don't know why they made them. Any modern Android device will blow this farking thing out of the water. If Samsung's lawsuit about 4G LTE goes through (as they created the radios) iPhone will be held up anyway.

/rant


HTC, not Samsung, holds the patents concerning LTE.
 
2012-09-12 03:12:19 PM

Johnsnownw: phimuskapsi: Terrible experience imho. The iTunes changes were not asked for, and I don't know why they made them. Any modern Android device will blow this farking thing out of the water. If Samsung's lawsuit about 4G LTE goes through (as they created the radios) iPhone will be held up anyway.

/rant

HTC, not Samsung, holds the patents concerning LTE.


Samsung will sue Apple over LTE in iPhone 5: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/09/11/samsung-apple-lte-pat ent-iphone.html
 
2012-09-12 03:14:44 PM

kyleaugustus: This coming out should hopefully push down the price on new iPhone 4s and 4Ss.


Yep, they announced 4 is free with contract, 4S is $99 with contract.
 
kab
2012-09-12 03:15:27 PM
So much for that whole "rock n' roll" thing, eh Dave?
 
2012-09-12 03:17:22 PM
My S3 will still be better spec'd than this iPhone or the next iPhone or the one after that.
 
2012-09-12 03:20:58 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: So, I'm going to have to assume you don't give the smallest shiat about this and just want to keep doing things "the way we've always done them...where IT shall remain the 'department of NO.'"


At the end of the day, it's the IT department who has to support the devices, and who will be on the firing line if something goes wrong.

Simply put - their network, their rules.
 
2012-09-12 03:20:59 PM

USA Prime Credit Peggy: Johnsnownw: phimuskapsi: Terrible experience imho. The iTunes changes were not asked for, and I don't know why they made them. Any modern Android device will blow this farking thing out of the water. If Samsung's lawsuit about 4G LTE goes through (as they created the radios) iPhone will be held up anyway.

/rant

HTC, not Samsung, holds the patents concerning LTE.

Samsung will sue Apple over LTE in iPhone 5: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/09/11/samsung-apple-lte-pat ent-iphone.html


Guess they're going to tag-team them then:

http://www.bgr.com/2012/09/10/htc-lte-patents-likely-valid-apple/
 
2012-09-12 03:21:18 PM
lol @ the connector..

I'll keep my Nexus S thanks..
 
2012-09-12 03:21:56 PM

NightOwl2255: Kinda ugly, if you ask me.

[cdn.macrumors.com image 580x405]


It also looks nothing like the actual iPhone 5.
 
2012-09-12 03:22:06 PM

tallguywithglasseson: iPhone5, according to Apple:it's designed & built to an exacting standard, unlike anything we or anyone in the industry has made before
"I don't think the level of invention has ever been matched by any other product we've done" -- Bob Mansfield
Jony Ive said they went "way beyond what we knew to be possible" to engineer the iPhone 5It's not a phone, it's a goddamned engineering miracle.


LMAOOOOO
 
2012-09-12 03:24:56 PM
I've been an iPhone user for four years. I'm in the market for a new phone, and it's not going to be yet another iPhone for exactly one reason:

iTunes

/would rather configure extended memory under DOS than use that festering, obtuse POS software ever again
 
2012-09-12 03:26:45 PM
Whar NFC? WHAR?

/no really...whar?
 
2012-09-12 03:26:46 PM
I work in an ATT call center taking manager escalations as part of my job, and today it has been awful. Apple users are the worst.

The first was a lady who called at 8 am trying to preorder a phone. She was advised by three people there were no preorders yet, and that the keynote had not even taken place, so we had no idea, about the phone. I finally called an Apple store and pretended to be a customer, and they gave her the exact same info, she said "well I just had to make sure."

The phone is unimpressive, most of the die hard Apple fans at my work have been waiting for the 5, are now going to move to the S3, which is still a better phone.

There really is no way to sugar coat that terd.

One thing is when you break the touch screen on the new iphone, you will beholden to apple to get it fixed...
 
2012-09-12 03:27:37 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Johnsnownw: I don't understand this infatuation with phone thickness. When I bought my Samsung Captivate, 2 years ago, I thought it was too thin. There is a point where it becomes too thin to handle, and I think we reached that stage 2 years ago. Enough with obsession over making the thinnest phone!

Also, it looks to me as though the iPhone 5 is going to cost more and have fewer or equal necessary features as current Android offerings. I don't think this phone is going to bring in many new customers, but I'm sure current owners will upgrade...because they've invested too much in the company. Suckers.

Give me a thicker phone with a larger battery any day.

According to Macworld's feed, the iPhone 5 has 8 hours of 3G talk time, 3G browsing time, and LTE browsing time, and 225 hours of standby time, which exceeds the battery performance for the iPhone 4S. That's not bad, IMO.

Not bad, but my rugby smart gets 11hrs of video with 4g,wifi, and bluetooth running.

Supposedly, the iPhone 5 gets 10 hours of video playback. If that extra hour matters, you bought the right phone. Personally, I only care about standby and talk time. I have a job that doesn't involve travel, so I seriously doubt I'll ever be watching 10 hours of video on my phone.

But hey, I personally like having choices on the market. I prefer Apple stuff, but realize it's not for everyone. I have even thought about buying a Google Nexus Tablet to see what the Android fuss is about, but I am pretty happy with my iPad and don't really want to throw $200 down for an experiment.

What I don't get, and have never understood, is why people hate Apple so much? Now that we're in an age of interoperability, why should what I use matter one bit to anyone else? And vice versa?


It's the law of the giant. Being on top of anything brings in more scrutiny than being number two or three.

Personally I don't hate Apple but I do find some of their practices disingenuous, and harmful to the American economy. I also don't support closed systems that don't allow for upgrade, opensourcing, or the freedom to manage said device without software interceding on my behalf to do so. I like being able to connect my device on whatever machine I want and move data between freely. Apple feels like bondage. Some people wear it well, others not so much.
 
2012-09-12 03:28:20 PM

Ba'boon: No NFC or Bluetooth 4.0? Wow.


I thought Bluetooth 4.0 was confirmed...if not, just wow...
 
2012-09-12 03:28:37 PM

GRCooper: I've been an iPhone user for four years. I'm in the market for a new phone, and it's not going to be yet another iPhone for exactly one reason:

iTunes

/would rather configure extended memory under DOS than use that festering, obtuse POS software ever again


I think you'll want to look at the Galaxy SIII of the Nokia Lumia 920. Those look to be the two best phones available right now.
 
2012-09-12 03:30:17 PM

NutznGum: GRCooper: I've been an iPhone user for four years. I'm in the market for a new phone, and it's not going to be yet another iPhone for exactly one reason:

iTunes

/would rather configure extended memory under DOS than use that festering, obtuse POS software ever again

I think you'll want to look at the Galaxy SIII of the Nokia Lumia 920. Those look to be the two best phones available right now.


The Lumia 920 made me jizz through my pants, through the brink wall, and into the next room for one reason:

You can use it with gloves on.
 
2012-09-12 03:31:47 PM
Apple is the Fox News of the tech industry. If you're not with us, your wrong



/kinda trolling
 
2012-09-12 03:32:08 PM

Carth: Shazam187: So I'm sitting on a 3gs, have been for 3 years... starting to get the new phone itch.

Whar is reason to buy 5? Siri talks to me, not sure what else.

Wouldn't it be better to buy a 4S now that they'll be cheaper? Like Iphone, like apps, not terribly concerned with newness.

If you hold on to your phones since the 3GS came out you might as well buy a five because you'll have it for another 4 years.


The iPhone 5 is apparently already 2 years behind the times, so doubtful.
 
2012-09-12 03:33:46 PM

Marine1: NutznGum: GRCooper: I've been an iPhone user for four years. I'm in the market for a new phone, and it's not going to be yet another iPhone for exactly one reason:

iTunes

/would rather configure extended memory under DOS than use that festering, obtuse POS software ever again

I think you'll want to look at the Galaxy SIII of the Nokia Lumia 920. Those look to be the two best phones available right now.

The Lumia 920 made me jizz through my pants, through the brink wall, and into the next room for one reason:

You can use it with gloves on.


As a Canadian, this is relevant to my interests.

I was all set on the SIII but once I saw the Lumia now I'm not so sure.
 
2012-09-12 03:34:40 PM
Apple gets faux Italian-American accent, leather jacket, jumps shark.

iPhone 4S vs. iPhone 5
 
2012-09-12 03:34:56 PM

TheGhostofFarkPast: I don't know what Apple people came into your world but they are idiots. you can easily manage them with the free iPhone Configuration utility that can be deployed in a matter of seconds.


Yeah, several other people mentioned that in this thread after my post (some after calling me stupid and lazy and then posting links.) So why didn't these guys from Apple have those answers? You'd think they'd be familiar with questions like that from school district especially. Anyway, I appreciate the heads-up and will certainly look into it for the few we have out there.
 
2012-09-12 03:35:13 PM

NutznGum: GRCooper: I've been an iPhone user for four years. I'm in the market for a new phone, and it's not going to be yet another iPhone for exactly one reason:

iTunes

/would rather configure extended memory under DOS than use that festering, obtuse POS software ever again

I think you'll want to look at the Galaxy SIII of the Nokia Lumia 920. Those look to be the two best phones available right now.


Yeah, I would add the HTC One X to that list...probably remove the Nokia, actually.
 
2012-09-12 03:35:57 PM

NutznGum: Marine1: NutznGum: GRCooper: I've been an iPhone user for four years. I'm in the market for a new phone, and it's not going to be yet another iPhone for exactly one reason:

iTunes

/would rather configure extended memory under DOS than use that festering, obtuse POS software ever again

I think you'll want to look at the Galaxy SIII of the Nokia Lumia 920. Those look to be the two best phones available right now.

The Lumia 920 made me jizz through my pants, through the brink wall, and into the next room for one reason:

You can use it with gloves on.

As a Canadian, this is relevant to my interests.

I was all set on the SIII but once I saw the Lumia now I'm not so sure.


An even bigger implication is that anything can be used as a stylus, if one so prefers.
 
2012-09-12 03:35:58 PM
Really Dave?? REALLY?

i2.cdnds.net
 
2012-09-12 03:36:43 PM
I guess we've gotten to the point that there really aren't any major changes you can make to a smartphone.
Everything will be iterative until the next breakout form factor enters the public consciousness.

The only thing that caught my eye in the last few years was the Courier form factor, and it died stillborn.
Would love to see someone pick it back up (2 4in screens with 3 bezels and a seamless hinge). Oh well.
 
2012-09-12 03:37:13 PM

styckx: Really Dave?? REALLY?

[i2.cdnds.net image 618x407]


Ohhhhhhh... that's... not good.


Not just not good... it's unfortunate.
 
2012-09-12 03:39:22 PM

Virtual Pariah: I guess we've gotten to the point that there really aren't any major changes you can make to a smartphone.
Everything will be iterative until the next breakout form factor enters the public consciousness.

The only thing that caught my eye in the last few years was the Courier form factor, and it died stillborn.
Would love to see someone pick it back up (2 4in screens with 3 bezels and a seamless hinge). Oh well.


There's plenty more to be done. I'd love a more modular design, or some way to remove the UI from the phone entirely - projection onto a surface that could be read by the phone.

Apple's figured out that they have to do a grand total of nothing in order to get sales, so they're going to do nothing in updating these things. Like I said earlier, with this release, they've officially jumped the shark.
 
2012-09-12 03:44:32 PM
So, the new connector is because it's more durable? Well worth throwing away all your £100 speaker dock so that you don't have to spend out for a few extra £5 cables.
 
2012-09-12 03:50:02 PM
The main argument I've had over iPhones is that Apple has the money and the tech to push the envelope and introduce new and awesome features.. and basically force other manufacturers to play catch-up. This is a win for the consumer, like me.
Instead, I watch Apple release a product that I've already had for a year with my S2.

Does anyone have a side by side feature list of the iPhone 5 vs let's say.. an S3? or any other popular phone?
 
2012-09-12 03:51:02 PM

Dr.Knockboots: The main argument I've had over iPhones is that Apple has the money and the tech to push the envelope and introduce new and awesome features.. and basically force other manufacturers to play catch-up. This is a win for the consumer, like me.
Instead, I watch Apple release a product that I've already had for a year with my S2.

Does anyone have a side by side feature list of the iPhone 5 vs let's say.. an S3? or any other popular phone?


I posted one comparing it to the iPhone 4S up there somewhere, I think.
 
2012-09-12 03:51:29 PM

Virtual Pariah: I guess we've gotten to the point that there really aren't any major changes you can make to a smartphone.


No, Apple is just treating their customers like they're farking stupid.

Example: NFC. It's considered pretty much standard on the most recent-gen smartphones. But not this one, for some farked up reason. Given that iOS 6 has NFC-friendly features, it's a pretty obvious blatant effort to withhold features to justify the inevitable iPhone 5[fill in whatever here].

Also, no inductive charging so they can eliminate one avenue of avoiding their bullsh*t accessories.

In short, they're not even including features that are now generally expected in new phones, much less introducing anything new.
 
2012-09-12 03:55:37 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Example: NFC. It's considered pretty much standard on the most recent-gen smartphones


I don't know if I have that on my phone or, if I do, what I would be using it for.
 
2012-09-12 03:57:31 PM

tallguywithglasseson: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Example: NFC. It's considered pretty much standard on the most recent-gen smartphones

I don't know if I have that on my phone or, if I do, what I would be using it for.


That's what app developers are supposed to do.
 
2012-09-12 04:01:57 PM

Dr.Knockboots: Does anyone have a side by side feature list of the iPhone 5 vs let's say.. an S3? or any other popular phone?


Here's one.

You can wager a hundred more detailed ones will be out within hours.

I already read one where the guy tried to claim that the iPhone display was better because it has 20 more ppi (326 vs. 306). Which was amusing.
 
2012-09-12 04:02:39 PM

tallguywithglasseson: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Example: NFC. It's considered pretty much standard on the most recent-gen smartphones

I don't know if I have that on my phone or, if I do, what I would be using it for.


Mainly for buying things with your phone instead of pulling out your debit/cc.
 
2012-09-12 04:06:14 PM

secularsage: On another note: why do these tech demos always involve old guys with lots of money, trying to pretend like they're hip enough to tweet, hang out with their young friends or join people for sushi?


Old people aren't allowed to like sushi? Did you ever stop to think that maybe they'd been enjoying sushi before you were born. What's next? I bet you believe young people invented sex...
 
2012-09-12 04:08:10 PM

tallguywithglasseson: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Example: NFC. It's considered pretty much standard on the most recent-gen smartphones

I don't know if I have that on my phone or, if I do, what I would be using it for.


This is generally the case with newer technology. Look it up. Like I said, it is generally expected to be a standard feature on late-gen phones. Even Apple thinks so, as I pointed out in the statement regarding iOS 6 features. It is a big deal.
 
2012-09-12 04:08:13 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Dr.Knockboots: Does anyone have a side by side feature list of the iPhone 5 vs let's say.. an S3? or any other popular phone?

Here's one.

You can wager a hundred more detailed ones will be out within hours.

I already read one where the guy tried to claim that the iPhone display was better because it has 20 more ppi (326 vs. 306). Which was amusing.


That's the intl GS3, the US market has the dual core snapdragon, and 2 GB RAM.
 
2012-09-12 04:08:54 PM

swaxhog: Mainly for buying things with your phone instead of pulling out your debit/cc.


oy... not sure I'd be comfortable with that at the moment. But I suppose someone has to blaze that trail.
 
2012-09-12 04:09:04 PM
Let's talk data plans. I've been grandfathered in to AT&T's unlimited 3G data plan, but now with LTE coming out, what should I do? Suck it up and deal with the stupid cap on AT&T LTE? Suck it up and deal with the stupid cap on Verizon's LTE? Stay on 3G?

Will AT&T's 3G network get less shiatty when people stop using it, or will they start shutting down hardware to maintain the same level of crappiness?
 
2012-09-12 04:10:41 PM
Here's what the iPhone is now

upload.wikimedia.org

While bikes continue to evolve, with carbon fibre and so forth, most people buy bikes that aren't much difference to what they were 50 years ago, and will trade modern advantages for lower cost.

I'm convinced that Apple are going to be in trouble within a decade. People aren't going to buy their flagship products in such numbers, and the fight will be over price, not features.
 
2012-09-12 04:11:27 PM

tallguywithglasseson: swaxhog: Mainly for buying things with your phone instead of pulling out your debit/cc.

oy... not sure I'd be comfortable with that at the moment. But I suppose someone has to blaze that trail.


That's a rather naive objection. You're afraid somebody's going to swipe a device near your pocket that steals your money? Because:
1) NFC requires pretty close range.
2) In any decently designed UI, the payer would have to press some kind of accept button.

If you think the 16 digit number stored on your credit card is more secure...
 
kab
2012-09-12 04:16:40 PM

swaxhog: Mainly for buying things with your phone instead of pulling out your debit/cc.


I keep forgetting how hard it is to reach my wallet.
 
2012-09-12 04:17:41 PM
No more Google Maps and Youtube app with the new IOS 6 update? That kinda sucks
 
2012-09-12 04:21:39 PM

kab: swaxhog: Mainly for buying things with your phone instead of pulling out your debit/cc.

I keep forgetting how hard it is to reach my wallet.


It's one less thing to lose. Add your receipt to the phone as well, and it's two less things to lose.
 
2012-09-12 04:23:26 PM

Jerseysteve22: No more Google Maps and Youtube app with the new IOS 6 update? That kinda sucks


YouTube as an app never made sense to me. They can stick an HTML5 player in the web browser, like they already do in places where YouTube videos are embedded.
Or, let Google release their own YouTube app that they have control over.

We'll see how Apple's maps stack up to Google's
 
2012-09-12 04:25:17 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: kab: swaxhog: Mainly for buying things with your phone instead of pulling out your debit/cc.

I keep forgetting how hard it is to reach my wallet.

It's one less thing to lose. Add your receipt to the phone as well, and it's two less things to lose.


One less thing taking up space in your pocket too.
Next they need to come up with a standard for displaying photo ID on the phone screen and push for government acceptance of that in addition to separate cards.
 
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