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2012-09-12 01:52:12 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Ba'boon: I can't go a day in my field (IT) without someone glossing about how we should just get all Mac stuff and iPhone stuff because they all "just work"

Yeah, it's weird the way users want something that works and this annoys IT guys.


My water bottle "just works." Perhaps it's because it's really simple and lacks a lot of the features that would make it anything other than just water bottle.

I tell people they can have something that requires less management, or they can have something that functions in all the ways they want it to.
 
2012-09-12 01:52:50 PM  

s3.amazonaws.com

Same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was...

 
2012-09-12 01:53:43 PM  

roflmaonow: Yea the funny thing is people in the audience applauding newer features which already exist on other phones.


Does the current iPhone not feature turn-by-turn map directions as a standard feature?
 
2012-09-12 01:54:51 PM  
From the Ars article

"AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint will all support the iPhone 5 on 4G LTE. Pricing, release dates have not yet been announced."

Cue the lawsuits!
 
2012-09-12 01:55:28 PM  
I don't understand this infatuation with phone thickness. When I bought my Samsung Captivate, 2 years ago, I thought it was too thin. There is a point where it becomes too thin to handle, and I think we reached that stage 2 years ago. Enough with obsession over making the thinnest phone!

Also, it looks to me as though the iPhone 5 is going to cost more and have fewer or equal necessary features as current Android offerings. I don't think this phone is going to bring in many new customers, but I'm sure current owners will upgrade...because they've invested too much in the company. Suckers.
 
2012-09-12 01:56:46 PM  

Dimensio: roflmaonow: Yea the funny thing is people in the audience applauding newer features which already exist on other phones.

Does the current iPhone not feature turn-by-turn map directions as a standard feature?


I use the mapquest app which is free and has turn by turn with voice and is pretty flippin awesome and has been since a year now.
 
2012-09-12 01:57:25 PM  

imasig: All of their 2 year contracts are coming up so they are in line for a phone replacement. What phone do you think they are going to get with the Iphone 5 sitting there brand spanking new?


Actually, it's worse than that. There is a new phone every months and you have a contract of 24 or 36 months. So you want the shiny, no problem, just reset your contract back to day 1. You're perpetually locked-in by design. This goes for Apple, Google and Windows phones. The ecosystems are purposefully built so the you use the device the harder it is to switch brands because you have so much invested. With Apple, they can get people using iPod Touch and wifi iPads that will go iPhone over Android because all their apps they own transfer over.
 
2012-09-12 01:58:10 PM  
stupid buttons. "There's a new phone every 12 months..."
 
2012-09-12 01:58:16 PM  
No NFC or Bluetooth 4.0? Wow.
 
2012-09-12 01:58:53 PM  

imasig: secularsage: So, what, exactly, does an iPhone 5 do that should make me want to toss my Razr Maxx in the trash and go stand in line to buy one?


Nothing. It's designed to capitalize on the opportunity to resell the device to everyone who bought the Iphone 4 when it came out. And to a lesser extent minimize the chance that they switch to Android. All of their 2 year contracts are coming up so they are in line for a phone replacement. What phone do you think they are going to get with the Iphone 5 sitting there brand spanking new?


But... Siri can now give you the scores to sports games! Panoramic photos! An extra row of apps!...

*Sigh* But actually, I think your cynical assessment is probably the correct one. Especially in light of the fact that all of the old docks and chargers for the iPhone 4 are obsolete if you upgrade. If Apple knows one thing, it's how to make money.
 
2012-09-12 01:59:00 PM  

WinoRhino: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Ba'boon: I can't go a day in my field (IT) without someone glossing about how we should just get all Mac stuff and iPhone stuff because they all "just work"

Yeah, it's weird the way users want something that works and this annoys IT guys.

My water bottle "just works." Perhaps it's because it's really simple and lacks a lot of the features that would make it anything other than just water bottle.

I tell people they can have something that requires less management, or they can have something that functions in all the ways they want it to.


LOL, you're so precious.
 
2012-09-12 01:59:09 PM  

Johnsnownw: I don't understand this infatuation with phone thickness. When I bought my Samsung Captivate, 2 years ago, I thought it was too thin. There is a point where it becomes too thin to handle, and I think we reached that stage 2 years ago. Enough with obsession over making the thinnest phone!

Also, it looks to me as though the iPhone 5 is going to cost more and have fewer or equal necessary features as current Android offerings. I don't think this phone is going to bring in many new customers, but I'm sure current owners will upgrade...because they've invested too much in the company. Suckers.


Give me a thicker phone with a larger battery any day.
 
2012-09-12 01:59:40 PM  

Dimensio: roflmaonow: Yea the funny thing is people in the audience applauding newer features which already exist on other phones.

Does the current iPhone not feature turn-by-turn map directions as a standard feature?


I also have the MS photosynth app which is free and can do panoramic photos and that's been available for the longest time as well. I like that these features are now there by default but you've got be delusional to think they are some amazing new features that only the iphone 5 can run or invented.
 
2012-09-12 01:59:58 PM  
I wish they'd save press conferences for when something really new, or at least a significant new feature, is released. Spending an hour talking about marginal improvements like they are revolutionary just plays into every apple cliche people hate.
 
2012-09-12 02:00:05 PM  
using limestone from a local quarry NO ONE WOULD HAVE DONE THIS BUT APPLE

i45.tinypic.comi47.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-12 02:00:44 PM  

WinoRhino: I tell people they can have something that requires less management, or they can have something that functions in all the ways they want it to.


And then they walk away from your cube thinking: "I wonder what he's hiding under that neckbeard?"
 
2012-09-12 02:01:16 PM  

Carth: I wish they'd save press conferences for when something really new, or at least a significant new feature, is released. Spending an hour talking about marginal improvements like they are revolutionary just plays into every apple cliche people hate.


Exactly. This is the ammo i need to tell my hipsters friends that work in apple about how new revolutionary features are in the phone when I've had many of those features when I got the iphone 4 almost 2 yrs ago.
 
2012-09-12 02:01:21 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: using limestone from a local quarry NO ONE WOULD HAVE DONE THIS BUT APPLE



Actually, the stone used in stores all supposedly comes from the same mountain in Italy. NOW you know why the phones cost so much.
 
2012-09-12 02:01:31 PM  

secularsage: So, what, exactly, does an iPhone 5 do that should make me want to toss my Razr Maxx in the trash and go stand in line to buy one?

Because it looks an awful lot like an iPhone 4S with a bigger screen and 4G LTE to me. Hopefully the antenna works this time.

Making it thin and light is solving a problem no one really had with the previous version. And adding in features like "panoramic photos" is nice, but there was already an app (actually several) for that.

Whatever revolutionary features this thing has, Apple didn't lead with them.


Kind of agree. I skipped the 4 and 4S hoping 5 would have a metal or plastic back. I've dropped my 3GS probably a thousand times and it's still completely fine--I really don't want to upgrade to something glass front and back.

Maybe the smaller size will let it fit in my pocket with a protective cover? Sigh.
 
2012-09-12 02:01:37 PM  

Surool: daverzzz: daverzzz: And now all of your docks and other gadgets with a 30-pin connector are obsolete!

/Pay us MOAR!

An adapter! We'll sell you an adapter!

OMFG! It isn't going to plug into my TRS-80 standard speakers or basic clock radio whose functionality has not changed and needs not be improved upon any morez!!1!


Try again, champ. I have a clock radio with an ipod/iphone dock that I use every night. I works just as well now as the day I bought it and has absolutely nothing that needs to be changed. However, now if I decided to go upgrade my phone (which I'm not, the final straw being the continued foxconn abuses) I would have to either pay additional for a special adapter that would likely end up breaking or buy a new clock. It's a stupid money grab with the only purpose being to push more of their proprietary bullshiat. fark Apple.
 
2012-09-12 02:02:02 PM  
BUT IT'S GOING TO BOOST OUR GDP!!!!!


/if anyone actually believes this....
 
2012-09-12 02:02:13 PM  
Siriously, nice phone. Might buy out my T-Mobe contract and get one with Verizon.
 
2012-09-12 02:02:34 PM  
And then they still say garbage like this:

"iPhone 5 and iOS 6, the biggest things to happen for iPhone since iCloud. I am so incredibly proud of everyone at Apple."
 
2012-09-12 02:03:39 PM  

doloresonthedottedline: secularsage: So, what, exactly, does an iPhone 5 do that should make me want to toss my Razr Maxx in the trash and go stand in line to buy one?

Because it looks an awful lot like an iPhone 4S with a bigger screen and 4G LTE to me. Hopefully the antenna works this time.

Making it thin and light is solving a problem no one really had with the previous version. And adding in features like "panoramic photos" is nice, but there was already an app (actually several) for that.

Whatever revolutionary features this thing has, Apple didn't lead with them.

Kind of agree. I skipped the 4 and 4S hoping 5 would have a metal or plastic back. I've dropped my 3GS probably a thousand times and it's still completely fine--I really don't want to upgrade to something glass front and back.

Maybe the smaller size will let it fit in my pocket with a protective cover? Sigh.


It has a metal back
 
2012-09-12 02:04:16 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: LOL, you're so precious.


If you say so. The Apple sales guys came into my school district trying to sell us on iPads and apple products. They have NO WAY to manage them, no way to ensure specific apps are installed across the system to everything. No response when we asked them how to maintain installation of apps through some central iTunes account. Their answer was "Just tell the teachers what to install and they can put in for reimbursement if the app costs money." The few teachers that were issued iPads via grants now want docking stations, keyboards, and have no idea how they can use them with the projectors and other classroom technology we have standard across the district like smart boards, etc.
 
2012-09-12 02:04:17 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: Apple makes some of the most succesful technology products ever, and has more cash than practically any other company in the world


And not only that, they've got you white knighting for them!
 
2012-09-12 02:05:06 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Johnsnownw: I don't understand this infatuation with phone thickness. When I bought my Samsung Captivate, 2 years ago, I thought it was too thin. There is a point where it becomes too thin to handle, and I think we reached that stage 2 years ago. Enough with obsession over making the thinnest phone!

Also, it looks to me as though the iPhone 5 is going to cost more and have fewer or equal necessary features as current Android offerings. I don't think this phone is going to bring in many new customers, but I'm sure current owners will upgrade...because they've invested too much in the company. Suckers.

Give me a thicker phone with a larger battery any day.


According to Macworld's feed, the iPhone 5 has 8 hours of 3G talk time, 3G browsing time, and LTE browsing time, and 225 hours of standby time, which exceeds the battery performance for the iPhone 4S. That's not bad, IMO.
 
2012-09-12 02:05:52 PM  

Pontious Pilates: And then they walk away from your cube thinking: "I wonder what he's hiding under that neckbeard?"


Neckbeard, I wish! It's too patchy. I just have a stellar 'stache and bangin' 'burns. And I'm bald.
 
2012-09-12 02:06:31 PM  

Carth: Summary so far: The lamest iPhone ever. Exact same thing with a slightly bigger screen.


But she has a new hat!
 
2012-09-12 02:06:36 PM  

swaxhog: imasig: All of their 2 year contracts are coming up so they are in line for a phone replacement. What phone do you think they are going to get with the Iphone 5 sitting there brand spanking new?

Actually, it's worse than that. There is a new phone every months and you have a contract of 24 or 36 months. So you want the shiny, no problem, just reset your contract back to day 1. You're perpetually locked-in by design. This goes for Apple, Google and Windows phones. The ecosystems are purposefully built so the you use the device the harder it is to switch brands because you have so much invested. With Apple, they can get people using iPod Touch and wifi iPads that will go iPhone over Android because all their apps they own transfer over.


I have an iPod touch precisely because I don't want an iPhone. I don't need to pay an extra data plan when I'm almost always within range of wifi.

/Don't have a smart phone
//Not wanting one either
 
2012-09-12 02:07:36 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Near field communication? 3D camera? Waterproof? Bigger screens are available with the Galaxy Note Phablet and just about anything else. Can anybody say something about this toy to make me care?

And yet, somehow, I doubt ANY features Apple added would make you care.


Replied to from my iPhone, which could be my old iPhone if somebody makes a case for why it should be. I wasn't trolling, I literally want to know what the draw is. 4 inches isn't one, not by a long shot.
 
2012-09-12 02:07:43 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: SmellsLikePoo: Apple makes some of the most succesful technology products ever, and has more cash than practically any other company in the world

And not only that, they've got you white knighting for them!


You have confused me calling you an idiot with complementing Apple. I never indicated any love or appreciation for their products, only their ability to make money... which in turn makes me money.

Sorry if that was confusing.
 
2012-09-12 02:08:03 PM  

Johnsnownw: I don't understand this infatuation with phone thickness


Two words: skinny jeans.
 
2012-09-12 02:08:15 PM  

BohemianGraham: Still no scrollable dock or widgets.


This is what I still don't get about iOS - no widgets. Widgets are the most supremely awesome thing to ever grace a smartphone. Unfortunately, the Samsung widgets on my S3 suck ass, but on my Desire HD, one look at the home screen, I had the time, weather, next appointment, and subject, sender and first few lines of my latest email.

Swipe left I'd have more of my inbox. Swipe right and I'd have more of my calendar. It (was) highly functional.
 
2012-09-12 02:09:11 PM  

WinoRhino: . No response when we asked them how to maintain installation of apps through some central iTunes account.


Oh that's rich. You can't even transfer use of your phone from one computer to another without completely wiping its contents. You think they would actually allow the hosting of apps for multiple devices on a central server?
 
2012-09-12 02:09:31 PM  

secularsage: imasig: secularsage: So, what, exactly, does an iPhone 5 do that should make me want to toss my Razr Maxx in the trash and go stand in line to buy one?


Nothing. It's designed to capitalize on the opportunity to resell the device to everyone who bought the Iphone 4 when it came out. And to a lesser extent minimize the chance that they switch to Android. All of their 2 year contracts are coming up so they are in line for a phone replacement. What phone do you think they are going to get with the Iphone 5 sitting there brand spanking new?

But... Siri can now give you the scores to sports games! Panoramic photos! An extra row of apps!...

*Sigh* But actually, I think your cynical assessment is probably the correct one. Especially in light of the fact that all of the old docks and chargers for the iPhone 4 are obsolete if you upgrade. If Apple knows one thing, it's how to make money.


Yep. It's extremely smart and it's not a new technique. Do you really think the 4s was put out there last fall to release new technology or to get the 3GS users on their contract? I think they are forecasting 10 mil sales in week 1. Not hard to believe.

upload.wikimedia.org

Look at all the those devices purchased in Q2-Q4. All coming up on contract with a phone discount coming from their carrier.
 
2012-09-12 02:10:33 PM  

Eagle2001:
/Don't have a smart phone
//Not wanting one either


Ugh. Not saying you do this, but others in the same position who say, "I don't want a smart phone." If those people don't want one, then they have to stop asking me when we're out and about to keep looking stuff up for them. No! I will not pull up wikipedia for you because you're too cheap to get your own data plan.

\My data plan!
\\Bad luddite!
 
2012-09-12 02:12:07 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: You have confused me calling you an idiot


You didn't call me an idiot. Now you do have me confused.

You were just calling anyone ripping on them idiots.

Which was very gallant of you.
 
2012-09-12 02:12:50 PM  

Nexzus: This is what I still don't get about iOS - no widgets. Widgets are the most supremely awesome thing to ever grace a smartphone. Unfortunately, the Samsung widgets on my S3 suck ass, but on my Desire HD, one look at the home screen, I had the time, weather, next appointment, and subject, sender and first few lines of my latest email.


That's weird. I just swiped down on my phone and got the weather forecast for the week, next few calendar items, couple lines of recent emails, and recent Facebook postings. You do know Notification Center is a thing, right?
 
2012-09-12 02:13:20 PM  
Heh. A mini player? OMG. Somebody tell the guys at Real. They're gonna be PISSED.
 
2012-09-12 02:13:55 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Nexzus: This is what I still don't get about iOS - no widgets. Widgets are the most supremely awesome thing to ever grace a smartphone. Unfortunately, the Samsung widgets on my S3 suck ass, but on my Desire HD, one look at the home screen, I had the time, weather, next appointment, and subject, sender and first few lines of my latest email.

That's weird. I just swiped down on my phone and got the weather forecast for the week, next few calendar items, couple lines of recent emails, and recent Facebook postings. You do know Notification Center is a thing, right?


Yes, we do. Android has had it for 3 years.
 
2012-09-12 02:14:50 PM  
It's... meh.

Thinner, lighter... can't really say I care about that anymore.
They're last to the LTE race. Even Nokia/MS beat them.
A more powerful CPU is par for the course.

Not blown away. It'll sell millions. The Lumia 920 was more interesting to me... especially the touchscreen that can be used with gloves. Now THAT is a feature everyone could use at some point.
 
2012-09-12 02:15:49 PM  

SuperTran: Eagle2001:
/Don't have a smart phone
//Not wanting one either

Ugh. Not saying you do this, but others in the same position who say, "I don't want a smart phone." If those people don't want one, then they have to stop asking me when we're out and about to keep looking stuff up for them. No! I will not pull up wikipedia for you because you're too cheap to get your own data plan.

\My data plan!
\\Bad luddite!


My wife has a smart phone so in the event I'm ever out of range for wifi with my iPod Touch and really need some info, I use her's. Otherwise, I figure it's not really that important. I specifically make it a point not to ask others to look something up for me as I see how inconsiderate it is.
 
2012-09-12 02:15:53 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Nexzus: This is what I still don't get about iOS - no widgets. Widgets are the most supremely awesome thing to ever grace a smartphone. Unfortunately, the Samsung widgets on my S3 suck ass, but on my Desire HD, one look at the home screen, I had the time, weather, next appointment, and subject, sender and first few lines of my latest email.

That's weird. I just swiped down on my phone and got the weather forecast for the week, next few calendar items, couple lines of recent emails, and recent Facebook postings. You do know Notification Center is a thing, right?


Not the same thing. I like having a weather widget and a scrollable dock of my favourite apps and app drawer rather than the grid of apps and pulling down the notification drawer to launch an app to see some stuff. Notification drawer was ripped off of Android anyways. To each their own I guess.
 
2012-09-12 02:15:58 PM  
lol. apple hate.
 
2012-09-12 02:16:15 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Nexzus: This is what I still don't get about iOS - no widgets. Widgets are the most supremely awesome thing to ever grace a smartphone. Unfortunately, the Samsung widgets on my S3 suck ass, but on my Desire HD, one look at the home screen, I had the time, weather, next appointment, and subject, sender and first few lines of my latest email.

That's weird. I just swiped down on my phone and got the weather forecast for the week, next few calendar items, couple lines of recent emails, and recent Facebook postings. You do know Notification Center is a thing, right?


It's a super annoying that that tends to get pulled down by accident waaaay too often.
 
2012-09-12 02:17:09 PM  

WinoRhino: If you say so. The Apple sales guys came into my school district trying to sell us on iPads and apple products. They have NO WAY to manage them, no way to ensure specific apps are installed across the system to everything. No response when we asked them how to maintain installation of apps through some central iTunes account.


They've never heard of Apple Configurator or MDM? It not be easy or possible to have an iOS device that is both a personal and business device but they can certainly be one or the other. If your company gives you an iPad, it should be for company use, managed by the company and Apple certainly has the tools to do this but you're not going to be able to install all your games from your iTunes account on it at the same time. (or maybe you can, I'm not a Genius)
 
2012-09-12 02:18:31 PM  

WinoRhino: If you say so. The Apple sales guys came into my school district trying to sell us on iPads and apple products. They have NO WAY to manage them


I don't disagree with you--my perception was that apple products suck in that kind of environment for management. But my understanding was there are actually easy ways to deploy identical configurations across multiple devices. Those must have been shiatty sales reps.
 
2012-09-12 02:18:31 PM  

WinoRhino: Mitch Taylor's Bro: LOL, you're so precious.

If you say so. The Apple sales guys came into my school district trying to sell us on iPads and apple products. They have NO WAY to manage them, no way to ensure specific apps are installed across the system to everything. No response when we asked them how to maintain installation of apps through some central iTunes account. Their answer was "Just tell the teachers what to install and they can put in for reimbursement if the app costs money." The few teachers that were issued iPads via grants now want docking stations, keyboards, and have no idea how they can use them with the projectors and other classroom technology we have standard across the district like smart boards, etc.


I'll grant you that Apple has a well deserved reputation for not being able to communicate with the enterprise (and in this case, I'll consider education an enterprise). But if you gave the smallest shiat about it, you'd have the answers you needed in about 90 seconds.

http://www.apple.com/support/ipad/enterprise/

http://www.amazon.com/GSI-Quality-Adapter-iPhone-iTouch/dp/B005HRT88G / ref=pd_rhf_se_s_cp_3

http://www.amazon.com/GSI-Quality-Apple-Connector-Adapter/dp/B005HRLP P A/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1347473540&sr=8-7&keywords=ipad+projector

http://www.amazon.com/Apple-TV-MD199LL-NEWEST-VERSION/dp/B007I5JT4S/r e f=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1347473648&sr=1-1&keywords=apple+tv

So, I'm going to have to assume you don't give the smallest shiat about this and just want to keep doing things "the way we've always done them...where IT shall remain the 'department of NO.'"
 
2012-09-12 02:19:43 PM  
Agh, new nano, just bought one fairly recently... guess doesn't matter, it mostly stays in my glovebox anyway.
 
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