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2012-09-12 01:18:59 PM  
Summary so far: The lamest iPhone ever. Exact same thing with a slightly bigger screen.
 
2012-09-12 01:19:24 PM  
4" screen. That violates Samsung's patent of a screen size slightly larger than the iPhone.
 
2012-09-12 01:20:29 PM  
I somehow like this live blog better

Link
 
2012-09-12 01:21:13 PM  
Still no death ray.
 
2012-09-12 01:22:15 PM  
ZOMG MUST BUY NOW
 
2012-09-12 01:22:18 PM  
Oh wow its thinner and lighter and has a bigger screen. This demands hours of presentation and days of debate.
 
2012-09-12 01:22:23 PM  
Will it open my garage door, yet?
 
2012-09-12 01:23:16 PM  
No support for T-mobile
 
2012-09-12 01:23:59 PM  
OH maybe it does support tmobile just not LTE.
 
2012-09-12 01:24:32 PM  
Is there a fleshlight attachment for it?
 
2012-09-12 01:25:59 PM  
a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2012-09-12 01:26:01 PM  
Near field communication? 3D camera? Waterproof? Bigger screens are available with the Galaxy Note Phablet and just about anything else. Can anybody say something about this toy to make me care?
 
2012-09-12 01:26:17 PM  
This coming out should hopefully push down the price on new iPhone 4s and 4Ss.
 
2012-09-12 01:27:45 PM  
Looks just like the last 4.
 
2012-09-12 01:29:01 PM  

Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Near field communication? 3D camera? Waterproof? Bigger screens are available with the Galaxy Note Phablet and just about anything else. Can anybody say something about this toy to make me care?


Modern day "Keeping up with the Jones'?"
 
2012-09-12 01:30:19 PM  

abhorrent1: Looks just like the last 4.


No shiat, Sherlock. It's an iPhone.

It's just an evolution of the same design. The new features and improvements, aside from the 4" screen are
inside.
 
2012-09-12 01:30:51 PM  
OH.MY.GOD.

A slightly bigger rectangle with rounded edges! Steve Jobs is communicating though the grave to let us know that he still knows what we as brain dead consumers want!
 
2012-09-12 01:31:54 PM  

Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Near field communication? 3D camera? Waterproof? Bigger screens are available with the Galaxy Note Phablet and just about anything else. Can anybody say something about this toy to make me care?


And yet, somehow, I doubt ANY features Apple added would make you care.
 
2012-09-12 01:32:02 PM  
If I had one, people would call me on it. No thanks. I don't need that aggravation.
 
2012-09-12 01:34:18 PM  
So, what, exactly, does an iPhone 5 do that should make me want to toss my Razr Maxx in the trash and go stand in line to buy one?

Because it looks an awful lot like an iPhone 4S with a bigger screen and 4G LTE to me. Hopefully the antenna works this time.

Making it thin and light is solving a problem no one really had with the previous version. And adding in features like "panoramic photos" is nice, but there was already an app (actually several) for that.

Whatever revolutionary features this thing has, Apple didn't lead with them.
 
2012-09-12 01:34:57 PM  
Bought the $0.99 Angry Birds? Then you must get a $2000 phone to play it on!
 
2012-09-12 01:35:04 PM  
So far, seems to be announcing stuff that most Android phones have been doing for nigh on 2 years. Meh....but the iZombies will love it.
 
2012-09-12 01:36:31 PM  

daverzzz: So far, seems to be announcing stuff that most Android phones have been doing for nigh on 2 years. Meh....but the iZombies will love it.


There's not a single "revolutionary" thing - and that isn't already available on any flagship Android phone. I just don't understand. This seems to be less of a step than the 4S was.
 
kab
2012-09-12 01:36:41 PM  
My god, I'm on the edge of my seat for the next incremental release of features that could have been implemented 3 models ago.

CANNOT WAIT.
 
2012-09-12 01:36:57 PM  
More magnets!!
 
2012-09-12 01:38:56 PM  
84 million iPads sold to date? Wow! That totally crushes, by nearly three-fold if you go by the highest estimate (Jack Tramiel′s own numbers of ~30 million) and more like 6¾× the more reliable numbers (~12½ million), the record that the Commodore 64 had of being the #1 selling model of personal computer of all time until the iPad!

(If you count the iPad as a personal computer, and I see no reason why not.)
 
2012-09-12 01:38:58 PM  
They just can't use micro usb like the rest of the world? No sir! They're visionaries!
 
2012-09-12 01:39:19 PM  
And now all of your docks and other gadgets with a 30-pin connector are obsolete!

/Pay us MOAR!
 
2012-09-12 01:39:20 PM  
Another proprietary connector? Fark you apple. This coming from someone with an ipad macbook and iphone. Using farking microusb so i don't have to keep track of a dozen chargers.
 
2012-09-12 01:40:02 PM  

daverzzz: And now all of your docks and other gadgets with a 30-pin connector are obsolete!

/Pay us MOAR!


An adapter! We'll sell you an adapter!
 
2012-09-12 01:40:33 PM  
Heh:

DARREN MURPH 1:39 PM
And he didn't even mention a price. Oh, the humanity.
Tweet
TIM STEVENS 1:39 PM
People just applauded the new connector! Heartily, even.
DARREN MURPH 1:39 PM
For the record, I'm weeping at the thought of how many adapters I now have to buy..
 
2012-09-12 01:40:35 PM  
So much hate for a phone...
 
2012-09-12 01:41:10 PM  

daverzzz: daverzzz: And now all of your docks and other gadgets with a 30-pin connector are obsolete!

/Pay us MOAR!

An adapter! We'll sell you an adapter!


OMFG! It isn't going to plug into my TRS-80 any morez!!1!
 
2012-09-12 01:41:52 PM  
This place has been more fun than MacRumors circa 2009. PEOPLE SO ANGRY FOR NO REAL REASON!
 
2012-09-12 01:43:40 PM  
It's a hate for this "culture" that has sprung up around this company. I can't go a day in my field (IT) without someone glossing about how we should just get all Mac stuff and iPhone stuff because they all "just work", and are so much more productive, and on and on.

From what I can tell, it's a fine phone. For people that own a Mac, it might even make it the right phone for some. But this is not some "game-changer" that the indoctrinated believe that it is.
 
2012-09-12 01:43:55 PM  
At least the new connector is reversible.
 
2012-09-12 01:44:14 PM  
Is this an actual Apple event, or is this an attempt to satirize the presentation of common applications now expected on smartphones as special, unique features?
 
2012-09-12 01:45:10 PM  

Dimensio: Is this an actual Apple event, or is this an attempt to satirize the presentation of common applications now expected on smartphones as special, unique features?


Okay, this made me laugh.
 
2012-09-12 01:46:24 PM  

Ba'boon: I can't go a day in my field (IT) without someone glossing about how we should just get all Mac stuff and iPhone stuff because they all "just work"


Yeah, it's weird the way users want something that works and this annoys IT guys.
 
2012-09-12 01:46:31 PM  
I think for the first time, the iPhone is catching up to the competition instead of leading it. If this came out last year instead of the 4S, they'd still be ahead of the curve, but no longer. ground breaking panorama mode? I've had that since May
 
2012-09-12 01:46:58 PM  
I like the new iCall feature, it allows for an instant voice connection between two parties. All you have to do is enter the other party's 10 digit code!
 
2012-09-12 01:48:06 PM  

Dimensio: Is this an actual Apple event, or is this an attempt to satirize the presentation of common applications now expected on smartphones as special, unique features?


Yea the funny thing is people in the audience applauding newer features which already exist on other phones.

I personally have the iphone 4 and won't upgrade until this thing breaks and is unusable. It does all I need and more so the new phone or any new features don't seem all that much.

Though hardware wise they are a big leap of sorts.
 
2012-09-12 01:48:55 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Ba'boon: I can't go a day in my field (IT) without someone glossing about how we should just get all Mac stuff and iPhone stuff because they all "just work"

Yeah, it's weird the way users want something that works and this annoys IT guys.


If it all just worked, I'd love it. But they don't. I have to answer more calls from departments that use Macs than PCs. Applications don't work, plenty of printing issues, AD connectivity is a trainwreck, and on and on.

The whole thing has just completely jaded me I'm sure.
 
2012-09-12 01:49:41 PM  

NutznGum: I like the new iCall feature, it allows for an instant voice connection between two parties. All you have to do is enter the other party's 10 digit code!


It also comes with the new iOn feature, where you touch a button and the screen springs magically to life!
 
2012-09-12 01:50:15 PM  
Still no scrollable dock or widgets. Apple already lost me for a second iJesusPhone when upgrade time comes next year with all their douchey moves as of late. Also, my 4 feels so gimped and with all the updates to ios, my apps keep crashing and my battery drains quicker. I also had to shut off most of the iOS features because the damn phone was eating data left, right, and centre when I didn't even have iCloud backup turned on. Wifi synch is a jOke too. The phone doesn't "just work," it does what it wants to do whether you want to do it or not.

I liked it when I first got it, but since the 4s came out, it sucks and apple made it suck on purpose because they want me to keep buying new shinys from them every 6 months.
 
2012-09-12 01:50:15 PM  
So the new Apple dock connector is "Lightning". Which follows Thunderbolt. Will the next one be called Galileo Figaro Magnifico-ooo-ooo-ooo?
 
2012-09-12 01:50:47 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Yeah, it's weird the way users want something that works and this annoys IT guys.


How else are the neck beards going to feel superior if people stop coming to them for help?
 
2012-09-12 01:51:04 PM  
Basically, everyone in this thread trashing apple is a farking nut job for thinking that your opinion matters.

Apple makes some of the most succesful technology products ever, and has more cash than practically any other company in the world. They might not have the biggest market share, but their share of the profits makes all the other players look like little leaguers.

So... yeah, keep talking shiat. I'm just glad I own the stock. 

/posted from a dell latitude
 
2012-09-12 01:51:29 PM  
On another note: why do these tech demos always involve old guys with lots of money, trying to pretend like they're hip enough to tweet, hang out with their young friends or join people for sushi?
 
2012-09-12 01:52:02 PM  

secularsage: So, what, exactly, does an iPhone 5 do that should make me want to toss my Razr Maxx in the trash and go stand in line to buy one?


Nothing. It's designed to capitalize on the opportunity to resell the device to everyone who bought the Iphone 4 when it came out. And to a lesser extent minimize the chance that they switch to Android. All of their 2 year contracts are coming up so they are in line for a phone replacement. What phone do you think they are going to get with the Iphone 5 sitting there brand spanking new?
 
2012-09-12 01:52:12 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Ba'boon: I can't go a day in my field (IT) without someone glossing about how we should just get all Mac stuff and iPhone stuff because they all "just work"

Yeah, it's weird the way users want something that works and this annoys IT guys.


My water bottle "just works." Perhaps it's because it's really simple and lacks a lot of the features that would make it anything other than just water bottle.

I tell people they can have something that requires less management, or they can have something that functions in all the ways they want it to.
 
2012-09-12 01:52:50 PM  

s3.amazonaws.com

Same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was...

 
2012-09-12 01:53:43 PM  

roflmaonow: Yea the funny thing is people in the audience applauding newer features which already exist on other phones.


Does the current iPhone not feature turn-by-turn map directions as a standard feature?
 
2012-09-12 01:54:51 PM  
From the Ars article

"AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint will all support the iPhone 5 on 4G LTE. Pricing, release dates have not yet been announced."

Cue the lawsuits!
 
2012-09-12 01:55:28 PM  
I don't understand this infatuation with phone thickness. When I bought my Samsung Captivate, 2 years ago, I thought it was too thin. There is a point where it becomes too thin to handle, and I think we reached that stage 2 years ago. Enough with obsession over making the thinnest phone!

Also, it looks to me as though the iPhone 5 is going to cost more and have fewer or equal necessary features as current Android offerings. I don't think this phone is going to bring in many new customers, but I'm sure current owners will upgrade...because they've invested too much in the company. Suckers.
 
2012-09-12 01:56:46 PM  

Dimensio: roflmaonow: Yea the funny thing is people in the audience applauding newer features which already exist on other phones.

Does the current iPhone not feature turn-by-turn map directions as a standard feature?


I use the mapquest app which is free and has turn by turn with voice and is pretty flippin awesome and has been since a year now.
 
2012-09-12 01:57:25 PM  

imasig: All of their 2 year contracts are coming up so they are in line for a phone replacement. What phone do you think they are going to get with the Iphone 5 sitting there brand spanking new?


Actually, it's worse than that. There is a new phone every months and you have a contract of 24 or 36 months. So you want the shiny, no problem, just reset your contract back to day 1. You're perpetually locked-in by design. This goes for Apple, Google and Windows phones. The ecosystems are purposefully built so the you use the device the harder it is to switch brands because you have so much invested. With Apple, they can get people using iPod Touch and wifi iPads that will go iPhone over Android because all their apps they own transfer over.
 
2012-09-12 01:58:10 PM  
stupid buttons. "There's a new phone every 12 months..."
 
2012-09-12 01:58:16 PM  
No NFC or Bluetooth 4.0? Wow.
 
2012-09-12 01:58:53 PM  

imasig: secularsage: So, what, exactly, does an iPhone 5 do that should make me want to toss my Razr Maxx in the trash and go stand in line to buy one?


Nothing. It's designed to capitalize on the opportunity to resell the device to everyone who bought the Iphone 4 when it came out. And to a lesser extent minimize the chance that they switch to Android. All of their 2 year contracts are coming up so they are in line for a phone replacement. What phone do you think they are going to get with the Iphone 5 sitting there brand spanking new?


But... Siri can now give you the scores to sports games! Panoramic photos! An extra row of apps!...

*Sigh* But actually, I think your cynical assessment is probably the correct one. Especially in light of the fact that all of the old docks and chargers for the iPhone 4 are obsolete if you upgrade. If Apple knows one thing, it's how to make money.
 
2012-09-12 01:59:00 PM  

WinoRhino: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Ba'boon: I can't go a day in my field (IT) without someone glossing about how we should just get all Mac stuff and iPhone stuff because they all "just work"

Yeah, it's weird the way users want something that works and this annoys IT guys.

My water bottle "just works." Perhaps it's because it's really simple and lacks a lot of the features that would make it anything other than just water bottle.

I tell people they can have something that requires less management, or they can have something that functions in all the ways they want it to.


LOL, you're so precious.
 
2012-09-12 01:59:09 PM  

Johnsnownw: I don't understand this infatuation with phone thickness. When I bought my Samsung Captivate, 2 years ago, I thought it was too thin. There is a point where it becomes too thin to handle, and I think we reached that stage 2 years ago. Enough with obsession over making the thinnest phone!

Also, it looks to me as though the iPhone 5 is going to cost more and have fewer or equal necessary features as current Android offerings. I don't think this phone is going to bring in many new customers, but I'm sure current owners will upgrade...because they've invested too much in the company. Suckers.


Give me a thicker phone with a larger battery any day.
 
2012-09-12 01:59:40 PM  

Dimensio: roflmaonow: Yea the funny thing is people in the audience applauding newer features which already exist on other phones.

Does the current iPhone not feature turn-by-turn map directions as a standard feature?


I also have the MS photosynth app which is free and can do panoramic photos and that's been available for the longest time as well. I like that these features are now there by default but you've got be delusional to think they are some amazing new features that only the iphone 5 can run or invented.
 
2012-09-12 01:59:58 PM  
I wish they'd save press conferences for when something really new, or at least a significant new feature, is released. Spending an hour talking about marginal improvements like they are revolutionary just plays into every apple cliche people hate.
 
2012-09-12 02:00:05 PM  
using limestone from a local quarry NO ONE WOULD HAVE DONE THIS BUT APPLE

i45.tinypic.comi47.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-12 02:00:44 PM  

WinoRhino: I tell people they can have something that requires less management, or they can have something that functions in all the ways they want it to.


And then they walk away from your cube thinking: "I wonder what he's hiding under that neckbeard?"
 
2012-09-12 02:01:16 PM  

Carth: I wish they'd save press conferences for when something really new, or at least a significant new feature, is released. Spending an hour talking about marginal improvements like they are revolutionary just plays into every apple cliche people hate.


Exactly. This is the ammo i need to tell my hipsters friends that work in apple about how new revolutionary features are in the phone when I've had many of those features when I got the iphone 4 almost 2 yrs ago.
 
2012-09-12 02:01:21 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: using limestone from a local quarry NO ONE WOULD HAVE DONE THIS BUT APPLE



Actually, the stone used in stores all supposedly comes from the same mountain in Italy. NOW you know why the phones cost so much.
 
2012-09-12 02:01:31 PM  

secularsage: So, what, exactly, does an iPhone 5 do that should make me want to toss my Razr Maxx in the trash and go stand in line to buy one?

Because it looks an awful lot like an iPhone 4S with a bigger screen and 4G LTE to me. Hopefully the antenna works this time.

Making it thin and light is solving a problem no one really had with the previous version. And adding in features like "panoramic photos" is nice, but there was already an app (actually several) for that.

Whatever revolutionary features this thing has, Apple didn't lead with them.


Kind of agree. I skipped the 4 and 4S hoping 5 would have a metal or plastic back. I've dropped my 3GS probably a thousand times and it's still completely fine--I really don't want to upgrade to something glass front and back.

Maybe the smaller size will let it fit in my pocket with a protective cover? Sigh.
 
2012-09-12 02:01:37 PM  

Surool: daverzzz: daverzzz: And now all of your docks and other gadgets with a 30-pin connector are obsolete!

/Pay us MOAR!

An adapter! We'll sell you an adapter!

OMFG! It isn't going to plug into my TRS-80 standard speakers or basic clock radio whose functionality has not changed and needs not be improved upon any morez!!1!


Try again, champ. I have a clock radio with an ipod/iphone dock that I use every night. I works just as well now as the day I bought it and has absolutely nothing that needs to be changed. However, now if I decided to go upgrade my phone (which I'm not, the final straw being the continued foxconn abuses) I would have to either pay additional for a special adapter that would likely end up breaking or buy a new clock. It's a stupid money grab with the only purpose being to push more of their proprietary bullshiat. fark Apple.
 
2012-09-12 02:02:02 PM  
BUT IT'S GOING TO BOOST OUR GDP!!!!!


/if anyone actually believes this....
 
2012-09-12 02:02:13 PM  
Siriously, nice phone. Might buy out my T-Mobe contract and get one with Verizon.
 
2012-09-12 02:02:34 PM  
And then they still say garbage like this:

"iPhone 5 and iOS 6, the biggest things to happen for iPhone since iCloud. I am so incredibly proud of everyone at Apple."
 
2012-09-12 02:03:39 PM  

doloresonthedottedline: secularsage: So, what, exactly, does an iPhone 5 do that should make me want to toss my Razr Maxx in the trash and go stand in line to buy one?

Because it looks an awful lot like an iPhone 4S with a bigger screen and 4G LTE to me. Hopefully the antenna works this time.

Making it thin and light is solving a problem no one really had with the previous version. And adding in features like "panoramic photos" is nice, but there was already an app (actually several) for that.

Whatever revolutionary features this thing has, Apple didn't lead with them.

Kind of agree. I skipped the 4 and 4S hoping 5 would have a metal or plastic back. I've dropped my 3GS probably a thousand times and it's still completely fine--I really don't want to upgrade to something glass front and back.

Maybe the smaller size will let it fit in my pocket with a protective cover? Sigh.


It has a metal back
 
2012-09-12 02:04:16 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: LOL, you're so precious.


If you say so. The Apple sales guys came into my school district trying to sell us on iPads and apple products. They have NO WAY to manage them, no way to ensure specific apps are installed across the system to everything. No response when we asked them how to maintain installation of apps through some central iTunes account. Their answer was "Just tell the teachers what to install and they can put in for reimbursement if the app costs money." The few teachers that were issued iPads via grants now want docking stations, keyboards, and have no idea how they can use them with the projectors and other classroom technology we have standard across the district like smart boards, etc.
 
2012-09-12 02:04:17 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: Apple makes some of the most succesful technology products ever, and has more cash than practically any other company in the world


And not only that, they've got you white knighting for them!
 
2012-09-12 02:05:06 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Johnsnownw: I don't understand this infatuation with phone thickness. When I bought my Samsung Captivate, 2 years ago, I thought it was too thin. There is a point where it becomes too thin to handle, and I think we reached that stage 2 years ago. Enough with obsession over making the thinnest phone!

Also, it looks to me as though the iPhone 5 is going to cost more and have fewer or equal necessary features as current Android offerings. I don't think this phone is going to bring in many new customers, but I'm sure current owners will upgrade...because they've invested too much in the company. Suckers.

Give me a thicker phone with a larger battery any day.


According to Macworld's feed, the iPhone 5 has 8 hours of 3G talk time, 3G browsing time, and LTE browsing time, and 225 hours of standby time, which exceeds the battery performance for the iPhone 4S. That's not bad, IMO.
 
2012-09-12 02:05:52 PM  

Pontious Pilates: And then they walk away from your cube thinking: "I wonder what he's hiding under that neckbeard?"


Neckbeard, I wish! It's too patchy. I just have a stellar 'stache and bangin' 'burns. And I'm bald.
 
2012-09-12 02:06:31 PM  

Carth: Summary so far: The lamest iPhone ever. Exact same thing with a slightly bigger screen.


But she has a new hat!
 
2012-09-12 02:06:36 PM  

swaxhog: imasig: All of their 2 year contracts are coming up so they are in line for a phone replacement. What phone do you think they are going to get with the Iphone 5 sitting there brand spanking new?

Actually, it's worse than that. There is a new phone every months and you have a contract of 24 or 36 months. So you want the shiny, no problem, just reset your contract back to day 1. You're perpetually locked-in by design. This goes for Apple, Google and Windows phones. The ecosystems are purposefully built so the you use the device the harder it is to switch brands because you have so much invested. With Apple, they can get people using iPod Touch and wifi iPads that will go iPhone over Android because all their apps they own transfer over.


I have an iPod touch precisely because I don't want an iPhone. I don't need to pay an extra data plan when I'm almost always within range of wifi.

/Don't have a smart phone
//Not wanting one either
 
2012-09-12 02:07:36 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Near field communication? 3D camera? Waterproof? Bigger screens are available with the Galaxy Note Phablet and just about anything else. Can anybody say something about this toy to make me care?

And yet, somehow, I doubt ANY features Apple added would make you care.


Replied to from my iPhone, which could be my old iPhone if somebody makes a case for why it should be. I wasn't trolling, I literally want to know what the draw is. 4 inches isn't one, not by a long shot.
 
2012-09-12 02:07:43 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: SmellsLikePoo: Apple makes some of the most succesful technology products ever, and has more cash than practically any other company in the world

And not only that, they've got you white knighting for them!


You have confused me calling you an idiot with complementing Apple. I never indicated any love or appreciation for their products, only their ability to make money... which in turn makes me money.

Sorry if that was confusing.
 
2012-09-12 02:08:03 PM  

Johnsnownw: I don't understand this infatuation with phone thickness


Two words: skinny jeans.
 
2012-09-12 02:08:15 PM  

BohemianGraham: Still no scrollable dock or widgets.


This is what I still don't get about iOS - no widgets. Widgets are the most supremely awesome thing to ever grace a smartphone. Unfortunately, the Samsung widgets on my S3 suck ass, but on my Desire HD, one look at the home screen, I had the time, weather, next appointment, and subject, sender and first few lines of my latest email.

Swipe left I'd have more of my inbox. Swipe right and I'd have more of my calendar. It (was) highly functional.
 
2012-09-12 02:09:11 PM  

WinoRhino: . No response when we asked them how to maintain installation of apps through some central iTunes account.


Oh that's rich. You can't even transfer use of your phone from one computer to another without completely wiping its contents. You think they would actually allow the hosting of apps for multiple devices on a central server?
 
2012-09-12 02:09:31 PM  

secularsage: imasig: secularsage: So, what, exactly, does an iPhone 5 do that should make me want to toss my Razr Maxx in the trash and go stand in line to buy one?


Nothing. It's designed to capitalize on the opportunity to resell the device to everyone who bought the Iphone 4 when it came out. And to a lesser extent minimize the chance that they switch to Android. All of their 2 year contracts are coming up so they are in line for a phone replacement. What phone do you think they are going to get with the Iphone 5 sitting there brand spanking new?

But... Siri can now give you the scores to sports games! Panoramic photos! An extra row of apps!...

*Sigh* But actually, I think your cynical assessment is probably the correct one. Especially in light of the fact that all of the old docks and chargers for the iPhone 4 are obsolete if you upgrade. If Apple knows one thing, it's how to make money.


Yep. It's extremely smart and it's not a new technique. Do you really think the 4s was put out there last fall to release new technology or to get the 3GS users on their contract? I think they are forecasting 10 mil sales in week 1. Not hard to believe.

upload.wikimedia.org

Look at all the those devices purchased in Q2-Q4. All coming up on contract with a phone discount coming from their carrier.
 
2012-09-12 02:10:33 PM  

Eagle2001:
/Don't have a smart phone
//Not wanting one either


Ugh. Not saying you do this, but others in the same position who say, "I don't want a smart phone." If those people don't want one, then they have to stop asking me when we're out and about to keep looking stuff up for them. No! I will not pull up wikipedia for you because you're too cheap to get your own data plan.

\My data plan!
\\Bad luddite!
 
2012-09-12 02:12:07 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: You have confused me calling you an idiot


You didn't call me an idiot. Now you do have me confused.

You were just calling anyone ripping on them idiots.

Which was very gallant of you.
 
2012-09-12 02:12:50 PM  

Nexzus: This is what I still don't get about iOS - no widgets. Widgets are the most supremely awesome thing to ever grace a smartphone. Unfortunately, the Samsung widgets on my S3 suck ass, but on my Desire HD, one look at the home screen, I had the time, weather, next appointment, and subject, sender and first few lines of my latest email.


That's weird. I just swiped down on my phone and got the weather forecast for the week, next few calendar items, couple lines of recent emails, and recent Facebook postings. You do know Notification Center is a thing, right?
 
2012-09-12 02:13:20 PM  
Heh. A mini player? OMG. Somebody tell the guys at Real. They're gonna be PISSED.
 
2012-09-12 02:13:55 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Nexzus: This is what I still don't get about iOS - no widgets. Widgets are the most supremely awesome thing to ever grace a smartphone. Unfortunately, the Samsung widgets on my S3 suck ass, but on my Desire HD, one look at the home screen, I had the time, weather, next appointment, and subject, sender and first few lines of my latest email.

That's weird. I just swiped down on my phone and got the weather forecast for the week, next few calendar items, couple lines of recent emails, and recent Facebook postings. You do know Notification Center is a thing, right?


Yes, we do. Android has had it for 3 years.
 
2012-09-12 02:14:50 PM  
It's... meh.

Thinner, lighter... can't really say I care about that anymore.
They're last to the LTE race. Even Nokia/MS beat them.
A more powerful CPU is par for the course.

Not blown away. It'll sell millions. The Lumia 920 was more interesting to me... especially the touchscreen that can be used with gloves. Now THAT is a feature everyone could use at some point.
 
2012-09-12 02:15:49 PM  

SuperTran: Eagle2001:
/Don't have a smart phone
//Not wanting one either

Ugh. Not saying you do this, but others in the same position who say, "I don't want a smart phone." If those people don't want one, then they have to stop asking me when we're out and about to keep looking stuff up for them. No! I will not pull up wikipedia for you because you're too cheap to get your own data plan.

\My data plan!
\\Bad luddite!


My wife has a smart phone so in the event I'm ever out of range for wifi with my iPod Touch and really need some info, I use her's. Otherwise, I figure it's not really that important. I specifically make it a point not to ask others to look something up for me as I see how inconsiderate it is.
 
2012-09-12 02:15:53 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Nexzus: This is what I still don't get about iOS - no widgets. Widgets are the most supremely awesome thing to ever grace a smartphone. Unfortunately, the Samsung widgets on my S3 suck ass, but on my Desire HD, one look at the home screen, I had the time, weather, next appointment, and subject, sender and first few lines of my latest email.

That's weird. I just swiped down on my phone and got the weather forecast for the week, next few calendar items, couple lines of recent emails, and recent Facebook postings. You do know Notification Center is a thing, right?


Not the same thing. I like having a weather widget and a scrollable dock of my favourite apps and app drawer rather than the grid of apps and pulling down the notification drawer to launch an app to see some stuff. Notification drawer was ripped off of Android anyways. To each their own I guess.
 
2012-09-12 02:15:58 PM  
lol. apple hate.
 
2012-09-12 02:16:15 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Nexzus: This is what I still don't get about iOS - no widgets. Widgets are the most supremely awesome thing to ever grace a smartphone. Unfortunately, the Samsung widgets on my S3 suck ass, but on my Desire HD, one look at the home screen, I had the time, weather, next appointment, and subject, sender and first few lines of my latest email.

That's weird. I just swiped down on my phone and got the weather forecast for the week, next few calendar items, couple lines of recent emails, and recent Facebook postings. You do know Notification Center is a thing, right?


It's a super annoying that that tends to get pulled down by accident waaaay too often.
 
2012-09-12 02:17:09 PM  

WinoRhino: If you say so. The Apple sales guys came into my school district trying to sell us on iPads and apple products. They have NO WAY to manage them, no way to ensure specific apps are installed across the system to everything. No response when we asked them how to maintain installation of apps through some central iTunes account.


They've never heard of Apple Configurator or MDM? It not be easy or possible to have an iOS device that is both a personal and business device but they can certainly be one or the other. If your company gives you an iPad, it should be for company use, managed by the company and Apple certainly has the tools to do this but you're not going to be able to install all your games from your iTunes account on it at the same time. (or maybe you can, I'm not a Genius)
 
2012-09-12 02:18:31 PM  

WinoRhino: If you say so. The Apple sales guys came into my school district trying to sell us on iPads and apple products. They have NO WAY to manage them


I don't disagree with you--my perception was that apple products suck in that kind of environment for management. But my understanding was there are actually easy ways to deploy identical configurations across multiple devices. Those must have been shiatty sales reps.
 
2012-09-12 02:18:31 PM  

WinoRhino: Mitch Taylor's Bro: LOL, you're so precious.

If you say so. The Apple sales guys came into my school district trying to sell us on iPads and apple products. They have NO WAY to manage them, no way to ensure specific apps are installed across the system to everything. No response when we asked them how to maintain installation of apps through some central iTunes account. Their answer was "Just tell the teachers what to install and they can put in for reimbursement if the app costs money." The few teachers that were issued iPads via grants now want docking stations, keyboards, and have no idea how they can use them with the projectors and other classroom technology we have standard across the district like smart boards, etc.


I'll grant you that Apple has a well deserved reputation for not being able to communicate with the enterprise (and in this case, I'll consider education an enterprise). But if you gave the smallest shiat about it, you'd have the answers you needed in about 90 seconds.

http://www.apple.com/support/ipad/enterprise/

http://www.amazon.com/GSI-Quality-Adapter-iPhone-iTouch/dp/B005HRT88G / ref=pd_rhf_se_s_cp_3

http://www.amazon.com/GSI-Quality-Apple-Connector-Adapter/dp/B005HRLP P A/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1347473540&sr=8-7&keywords=ipad+projector

http://www.amazon.com/Apple-TV-MD199LL-NEWEST-VERSION/dp/B007I5JT4S/r e f=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1347473648&sr=1-1&keywords=apple+tv

So, I'm going to have to assume you don't give the smallest shiat about this and just want to keep doing things "the way we've always done them...where IT shall remain the 'department of NO.'"
 
2012-09-12 02:19:43 PM  
Agh, new nano, just bought one fairly recently... guess doesn't matter, it mostly stays in my glovebox anyway.
 
2012-09-12 02:19:53 PM  
I like the new Nano. If it has a clip on the back it would be almost perfect for working out.
 
2012-09-12 02:21:12 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Johnsnownw: I don't understand this infatuation with phone thickness. When I bought my Samsung Captivate, 2 years ago, I thought it was too thin. There is a point where it becomes too thin to handle, and I think we reached that stage 2 years ago. Enough with obsession over making the thinnest phone!

Also, it looks to me as though the iPhone 5 is going to cost more and have fewer or equal necessary features as current Android offerings. I don't think this phone is going to bring in many new customers, but I'm sure current owners will upgrade...because they've invested too much in the company. Suckers.

Give me a thicker phone with a larger battery any day.

According to Macworld's feed, the iPhone 5 has 8 hours of 3G talk time, 3G browsing time, and LTE browsing time, and 225 hours of standby time, which exceeds the battery performance for the iPhone 4S. That's not bad, IMO.


Not bad, but my rugby smart gets 11hrs of video with 4g,wifi, and bluetooth running.
 
2012-09-12 02:21:33 PM  

StrangeQ: Surool: daverzzz: daverzzz: And now all of your docks and other gadgets with a 30-pin connector are obsolete!

/Pay us MOAR!

An adapter! We'll sell you an adapter!

OMFG! It isn't going to plug into my TRS-80 standard speakers or basic clock radio whose functionality has not changed and needs not be improved upon any morez!!1!

Try again, champ. I have a clock radio with an ipod/iphone dock that I use every night. I works just as well now as the day I bought it and has absolutely nothing that needs to be changed. However, now if I decided to go upgrade my phone (which I'm not, the final straw being the continued foxconn abuses) I would have to either pay additional for a special adapter that would likely end up breaking or buy a new clock. It's a stupid money grab with the only purpose being to push more of their proprietary bullshiat. fark Apple.


So what phone would satisfy your requirement of not being manufactured by a Chinese company which has questionable labor practices? I'm honestly not being snarky, but my work Dell has Foxconn boards in it, and I'm sure my Moto phone came from there as well:

Major customers of Foxconn currently include:
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)[40]
Amazon.com (United States)[7]
Apple Inc. (United States)[41]
Cisco (United States)[42]
Dell (United States)[43]
Amazon.com (United States)[7]
Apple Inc. (United States)[41]
Cisco (United States)[42]
Dell (United States)[43]
Hewlett-Packard (United States)[44]
Intel (United States)[45]
Microsoft (United States)[9]
Motorola Mobility (United States)[43]
Nintendo (Japan)[46]
Nokia (Finland)[41]
Amazon.com (United States)[7]
Apple Inc. (United States)[41]
Cisco (United States)[42]
Dell (United States)[43]
Hewlett-Packard (United States)[44]
Intel (United States)[45]
Microsoft (United States)[9]
Motorola Mobility (United States)[43]
Nintendo (Japan)[46]
Nokia (Finland)[41]
Samsung Electronics (South Korea)[47]
Sony (Japan)[8]
Toshiba (Japan) [48]
Vizio (United States)[49]
 
2012-09-12 02:23:07 PM  
Ah yes, another Apple thread where we get to see iFans whine about non Apple users picking on Apple and / or it's products.
 
2012-09-12 02:24:45 PM  

Latinwolf: Ah yes, another Apple thread where we get to see iFans whine about non Apple users picking on Apple and / or it's products.


Ah yes, another Apple thread where we get to see Anti-iFans whine about Apple users liking Apple and / or it's products.
 
2012-09-12 02:24:54 PM  

Nexzus: BohemianGraham: Still no scrollable dock or widgets.

This is what I still don't get about iOS - no widgets. Widgets are the most supremely awesome thing to ever grace a smartphone. Unfortunately, the Samsung widgets on my S3 suck ass, but on my Desire HD, one look at the home screen, I had the time, weather, next appointment, and subject, sender and first few lines of my latest email.

Swipe left I'd have more of my inbox. Swipe right and I'd have more of my calendar. It (was) highly functional.


Download the go weather app. IT's widget are great.
 
2012-09-12 02:25:26 PM  
Surool: daverzzz: daverzzz: And now all of your docks and other gadgets with a 30-pin connector are obsolete!

/Pay us MOAR!

An adapter! We'll sell you an adapter!

OMFG! It isn't going to plug into my TRS-80 any morez!!1!


Spoken like a true iDrone. "How dare anyone have a valid criticism of anything related to Apple".
 
2012-09-12 02:26:00 PM  
New ipod tought too, guess that makes sense as it's essentially an iphone without the phone. So, just an i, really.
 
2012-09-12 02:26:27 PM  
So is the ninja a tamagotchi app?
 
2012-09-12 02:27:14 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: tought


I think that was supposed to say "touch". Hope that's just a typo and not a brain tumor or something.
 
2012-09-12 02:27:14 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Johnsnownw: I don't understand this infatuation with phone thickness. When I bought my Samsung Captivate, 2 years ago, I thought it was too thin. There is a point where it becomes too thin to handle, and I think we reached that stage 2 years ago. Enough with obsession over making the thinnest phone!

Also, it looks to me as though the iPhone 5 is going to cost more and have fewer or equal necessary features as current Android offerings. I don't think this phone is going to bring in many new customers, but I'm sure current owners will upgrade...because they've invested too much in the company. Suckers.

Give me a thicker phone with a larger battery any day.

According to Macworld's feed, the iPhone 5 has 8 hours of 3G talk time, 3G browsing time, and LTE browsing time, and 225 hours of standby time, which exceeds the battery performance for the iPhone 4S. That's not bad, IMO.

Not bad, but my rugby smart gets 11hrs of video with 4g,wifi, and bluetooth running.


And it's waterproof.
 
2012-09-12 02:29:03 PM  
Ba'boon: It's a hate for this "culture" that has sprung up around this company. I can't go a day in my field (IT) without someone glossing about how we should just get all Mac stuff and iPhone stuff because they all "just work", and are so much more productive, and on and on.

From what I can tell, it's a fine phone. For people that own a Mac, it might even make it the right phone for some. But this is not some "game-changer" that the indoctrinated believe that it is.


The indoctrinated are total pussies when it come to tolerating any form of criticism towards Apple products. In each Apple thread we have some pussy crying about how Apple is being picked on again. If you feel the need to actually say this on a site like Fark where everything is criticized, where everything is picked on, then yes, you are a pussy, no matter what excuses you make.
 
2012-09-12 02:31:31 PM  

secularsage: So, what, exactly, does an iPhone 5 do that should make me want to toss my Razr Maxx in the trash and go stand in line to buy one?


Nothing. But OTOH, it's really just a new phone with some new features for people who already like the iPhone.
 
2012-09-12 02:31:39 PM  

FlashHarry: lol. apple hate.


lol white knights
 
2012-09-12 02:31:46 PM  
So I'm sitting on a 3gs, have been for 3 years... starting to get the new phone itch.

Whar is reason to buy 5? Siri talks to me, not sure what else.

Wouldn't it be better to buy a 4S now that they'll be cheaper? Like Iphone, like apps, not terribly concerned with newness.
 
2012-09-12 02:33:53 PM  

Latinwolf: If you feel the need to actually say this on a site like Fark where everything is criticized, where everything is picked on, then yes, you are a pussy, no matter what excuses you make.


lol umad? suck it hat3rz!

i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-12 02:33:56 PM  

Hella Fark: I think for the first time, the iPhone is catching up to the competition instead of leading it. If this came out last year instead of the 4S, they'd still be ahead of the curve, but no longer. ground breaking panorama mode? I've had that since May


Heck, my POS Samsung Infuse came with it back in May 2011.
 
2012-09-12 02:34:43 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Johnsnownw: I don't understand this infatuation with phone thickness. When I bought my Samsung Captivate, 2 years ago, I thought it was too thin. There is a point where it becomes too thin to handle, and I think we reached that stage 2 years ago. Enough with obsession over making the thinnest phone!

Also, it looks to me as though the iPhone 5 is going to cost more and have fewer or equal necessary features as current Android offerings. I don't think this phone is going to bring in many new customers, but I'm sure current owners will upgrade...because they've invested too much in the company. Suckers.

Give me a thicker phone with a larger battery any day.

According to Macworld's feed, the iPhone 5 has 8 hours of 3G talk time, 3G browsing time, and LTE browsing time, and 225 hours of standby time, which exceeds the battery performance for the iPhone 4S. That's not bad, IMO.

Not bad, but my rugby smart gets 11hrs of video with 4g,wifi, and bluetooth running.


Supposedly, the iPhone 5 gets 10 hours of video playback. If that extra hour matters, you bought the right phone. Personally, I only care about standby and talk time. I have a job that doesn't involve travel, so I seriously doubt I'll ever be watching 10 hours of video on my phone.

But hey, I personally like having choices on the market. I prefer Apple stuff, but realize it's not for everyone. I have even thought about buying a Google Nexus Tablet to see what the Android fuss is about, but I am pretty happy with my iPad and don't really want to throw $200 down for an experiment.

What I don't get, and have never understood, is why people hate Apple so much? Now that we're in an age of interoperability, why should what I use matter one bit to anyone else? And vice versa?
 
2012-09-12 02:34:54 PM  

Shazam187: So I'm sitting on a 3gs, have been for 3 years... starting to get the new phone itch.

Whar is reason to buy 5? Siri talks to me, not sure what else.

Wouldn't it be better to buy a 4S now that they'll be cheaper? Like Iphone, like apps, not terribly concerned with newness.


Slightly bigger, slightly faster, slightly better camera. iOS version will be the same so software wise no difference. $99 for the 4S or $199 for the 16GB new phone to get the slightlies.
 
2012-09-12 02:36:10 PM  

Shazam187: So I'm sitting on a 3gs, have been for 3 years... starting to get the new phone itch.

Whar is reason to buy 5? Siri talks to me, not sure what else.

Wouldn't it be better to buy a 4S now that they'll be cheaper? Like Iphone, like apps, not terribly concerned with newness.


If you hold on to your phones since the 3GS came out you might as well buy a five because you'll have it for another 4 years.
 
2012-09-12 02:38:25 PM  
meatofmystery: FlashHarry: lol. apple hate.

lol white knights


I prefer the term iDrones, but with some of them iPussies might be more accurate.
 
2012-09-12 02:38:47 PM  
we spent 3 years in designing an entirely new headphone
we call them EarPods
(everyone chuckles)
If there was ever evidence of a cult-like following, there it is.
 
2012-09-12 02:39:11 PM  

StrangeQ: Surool: daverzzz: daverzzz: And now all of your docks and other gadgets with a 30-pin connector are obsolete!

/Pay us MOAR!

An adapter! We'll sell you an adapter!

OMFG! It isn't going to plug into my TRS-80 standard speakers or basic clock radio whose functionality has not changed and needs not be improved upon any morez!!1!

Try again, champ. I have a clock radio with an ipod/iphone dock that I use every night. I works just as well now as the day I bought it and has absolutely nothing that needs to be changed. However, now if I decided to go upgrade my phone (which I'm not, the final straw being the continued foxconn abuses) I would have to either pay additional for a special adapter that would likely end up breaking or buy a new clock. It's a stupid money grab with the only purpose being to push more of their proprietary bullshiat. fark Apple.


SFW? Are you too stupid to just keep using your current setup until you want to buy a new clock radio? "I have to buy a new iPhone right away even though the old one works fine!" If you are for real, then you are the douche the iHaters hate so much.

I'm not buying a new phone anytime soon. I have accessories that work with my current phone that will be sorely missed, but in the long run, who cares? The new connector will be really nice when I need a new phone. I hate this huge sh*tty connector on my iPhone 4.

Latinwolf: Spoken like a true iDrone. "How dare anyone have a valid criticism of anything related to Apple".


People whine about Apple losing the floppy disk and the built-in zip drive too. It is a valid criticism only if you think you need to upgrade right away. Everyone who buys this phone will know that they will be losing their old accessories when they buy it. They have a choice to get any other phone they want if they are so inclined.

Typical anDrone iHater idiocy. I have no control over what phone my company buys me, I also don't care. I fail to see why a phone you will never buy gets your panties in such a knot.
 
2012-09-12 02:40:07 PM  

Latinwolf: Surool: daverzzz: daverzzz: And now all of your docks and other gadgets with a 30-pin connector are obsolete!

/Pay us MOAR!

An adapter! We'll sell you an adapter!

OMFG! It isn't going to plug into my TRS-80 any morez!!1!

Spoken like a true iDrone. "How dare anyone have a valid criticism of anything related to Apple".


It's not the "pay moar" part that bugs me; I understand that the new connector is the price of getting a smaller, thinner iPhone. But it is a stumbling block to upgrading. I have about $200 in dock connector accessories that would have to be upgraded. So, I won't be standing in line for this phone. I will be watching the reviews, though, and waiting to see when the new accessories come out for the new connector :-)
 
2012-09-12 02:40:33 PM  
What I was hoping to find out is if the Touch has GPS. It has Siri now but I don't know if you need the GPS chip for that.
 
2012-09-12 02:40:48 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Johnsnownw: I don't understand this infatuation with phone thickness. When I bought my Samsung Captivate, 2 years ago, I thought it was too thin. There is a point where it becomes too thin to handle, and I think we reached that stage 2 years ago. Enough with obsession over making the thinnest phone!

Also, it looks to me as though the iPhone 5 is going to cost more and have fewer or equal necessary features as current Android offerings. I don't think this phone is going to bring in many new customers, but I'm sure current owners will upgrade...because they've invested too much in the company. Suckers.

Give me a thicker phone with a larger battery any day.

According to Macworld's feed, the iPhone 5 has 8 hours of 3G talk time, 3G browsing time, and LTE browsing time, and 225 hours of standby time, which exceeds the battery performance for the iPhone 4S. That's not bad, IMO.

Not bad, but my rugby smart gets 11hrs of video with 4g,wifi, and bluetooth running.

Supposedly, the iPhone 5 gets 10 hours of video playback. If that extra hour matters, you bought the right phone. Personally, I only care about standby and talk time. I have a job that doesn't involve travel, so I seriously doubt I'll ever be watching 10 hours of video on my phone.

But hey, I personally like having choices on the market. I prefer Apple stuff, but realize it's not for everyone. I have even thought about buying a Google Nexus Tablet to see what the Android fuss is about, but I am pretty happy with my iPad and don't really want to throw $200 down for an experiment.

What I don't get, and have never understood, is why people hate Apple so much? Now that we're in an age of interoperability, why should what I use matter one bit to anyone else? And vice versa?


I think a big part of the problem is the people. It seems like for every reasonable person like you there's a dozen people who want to proclaim that everyone else's products are the dog crap on Apple's shoes and the world would be better off if everyone everywhere just had an Apple everything.
 
2012-09-12 02:41:40 PM  

Latinwolf: Ba'boon: It's a hate for this "culture" that has sprung up around this company. I can't go a day in my field (IT) without someone glossing about how we should just get all Mac stuff and iPhone stuff because they all "just work", and are so much more productive, and on and on.

From what I can tell, it's a fine phone. For people that own a Mac, it might even make it the right phone for some. But this is not some "game-changer" that the indoctrinated believe that it is.

The indoctrinated are total pussies when it come to tolerating any form of criticism towards Apple products. In each Apple thread we have some pussy crying about how Apple is being picked on again. If you feel the need to actually say this on a site like Fark where everything is criticized, where everything is picked on, then yes, you are a pussy, no matter what excuses you make.


[wegotabadasshere.jpg]
 
2012-09-12 02:43:39 PM  

Latinwolf: Ah yes, another Apple thread where we get to see iFans anDrones whine about Apple users picking on Apple and / or it's products.


"STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE"
 
2012-09-12 02:44:21 PM  

Shazam187: Whar is reason to buy 5? Siri talks to me, not sure what else.


Verizon LTE I guess would be #1 for me. Then better camera, bigger screen, neater look/feel/design, in that order.
Siri I think might be useful if someone sent you a txt msg while driving and you wanted it to be dictated.
 
2012-09-12 02:45:08 PM  
The iPhone 5 is meant for people who already like the iPhone. It adds new features while staying within the design parameters for an iPhone. It's not revolutionary, it's just another phone in the evolution of the iPhone. Is it up to par with current generation Android phones? I have no
idea. But even if it's not it's entirely irrelevant.

Why anybody thinks (and comments about) the fact that it's not "better than" something is just bizarre.

FWIW, I love Apple products, but the hype is just ridiculous. It's going on 1h 45m of "announcement". Granted, that's not just the new phone, but they could have announced all the new stuff in an hour, tops.
 
2012-09-12 02:45:27 PM  

secularsage: Because it looks an awful lot like an iPhone 4S with a bigger screen and 4G LTE to me. Hopefully the antenna works this time.


That's pretty much all I want. At some point it would be nice to have a phone that doesn't drop calls if I happen to decide to switch from one ear to another.
 
2012-09-12 02:45:34 PM  

Shazam187: So I'm sitting on a 3gs, have been for 3 years... starting to get the new phone itch.

Whar is reason to buy 5? Siri talks to me, not sure what else.

Wouldn't it be better to buy a 4S now that they'll be cheaper? Like Iphone, like apps, not terribly concerned with newness.


That would be what I'd recommend. The biggest reason to get my iPhone 4 was the retina display and the more powerful A4 chip inside. New apps might run better with the A6 chip, but if the price diff is an issue, and/or you have a lot of accessories based on the 30-pin dock connector, then the 4S will probably work great for you.
 
2012-09-12 02:45:41 PM  
Still no swipe typing feature....but gee now Siri knows all about the NFL! Yippee

But...but...but if we make the screen colors prettier and add the stupid Facebook Like feature that'll keep those silly little womens-folks happy!

/Apple you need to hire a few more women engineers. You have no clue.
 
2012-09-12 02:46:29 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Johnsnownw: I don't understand this infatuation with phone thickness. When I bought my Samsung Captivate, 2 years ago, I thought it was too thin. There is a point where it becomes too thin to handle, and I think we reached that stage 2 years ago. Enough with obsession over making the thinnest phone!

Also, it looks to me as though the iPhone 5 is going to cost more and have fewer or equal necessary features as current Android offerings. I don't think this phone is going to bring in many new customers, but I'm sure current owners will upgrade...because they've invested too much in the company. Suckers.

Give me a thicker phone with a larger battery any day.

According to Macworld's feed, the iPhone 5 has 8 hours of 3G talk time, 3G browsing time, and LTE browsing time, and 225 hours of standby time, which exceeds the battery performance for the iPhone 4S. That's not bad, IMO.

Not bad, but my rugby smart gets 11hrs of video with 4g,wifi, and bluetooth running.

Supposedly, the iPhone 5 gets 10 hours of video playback. If that extra hour matters, you bought the right phone. Personally, I only care about standby and talk time. I have a job that doesn't involve travel, so I seriously doubt I'll ever be watching 10 hours of video on my phone.

But hey, I personally like having choices on the market. I prefer Apple stuff, but realize it's not for everyone. I have even thought about buying a Google Nexus Tablet to see what the Android fuss is about, but I am pretty happy with my iPad and don't really want to throw $200 down for an experiment.

What I don't get, and have never understood, is why people hate Apple so much? Now that we're in an age of interoperability, why should what I use matter one bit to anyone else? And vice versa?


Video time is just used to show battery life under max load, which is a good indicator of what you will get with the other functions. the 1 hr isn't what I made my decision based on. I wanted a waterproof and shockproof smartphone.
 
2012-09-12 02:47:02 PM  

swaxhog: What I was hoping to find out is if the Touch has GPS. It has Siri now but I don't know if you need the GPS chip for that.


Siri is a combination of voice recognition and google. So no, you don't need GPS for either of those.

ok, Siri ties into some location-based stuff. "find directions to ____", "find a hotel near me", etc. Generally Apple can get pretty good location information based on which wifi network you're connected to, but prepare for inaccurate results.
 
kab
2012-09-12 02:50:15 PM  
And in the upcoming days, we'll get to see how truly strapped for cash the 99% is.
 
2012-09-12 02:51:40 PM  

Ba'boon: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Ba'boon: I can't go a day in my field (IT) without someone glossing about how we should just get all Mac stuff and iPhone stuff because they all "just work"

Yeah, it's weird the way users want something that works and this annoys IT guys.

If it all just worked, I'd love it. But they don't. I have to answer more calls from departments that use Macs than PCs. Applications don't work, plenty of printing issues, AD connectivity is a trainwreck, and on and on.

The whole thing has just completely jaded me I'm sure.


AD connectivity? You got a bunch of users on 10.7 machines? That was horrible to get on domains but 10.8 made it so much simpler and easier. Pretty much 10.5/6 works well with AD, 7 blows, 8 is solid again.
 
2012-09-12 02:51:42 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: So, I'm going to have to assume you don't give the smallest shiat about this and just want to keep doing things "the way we've always done them...where IT shall remain the 'department of NO.'"


No, you're going to be smug and assume the best way to do things is the Apple way. And it currently is not. Because with the infrastructure we have in place, our current software, etc, it would take a budget 10x what we currently have in a school system to change everything around to make it "Apple friendly." And to what end? So people can say they use Apple instead of PCs? Outline any sort of advantage we'd get for spending that type of money. Currently, everything does work extremely well technology-wise in our district. Remote workspaces, wireless campuses, BYOD, parent and teacher portals, we're hardly the department of "no." We're utilitarian. I don't care what the tool looks like, as long as it gets the job done. And Apple doesn't offer ANYTHING better in that regard. Sorry, it just doesn't.
 
2012-09-12 02:51:47 PM  
Did anyone catch this gem in the blog? Made me stop reading it after I saw it.

"I don't think the level of invention has ever been matched by any other product we've done" -- Bob Mansfield on iPhone 5
 
2012-09-12 02:53:05 PM  
i50.tinypic.com

Earbud goes in ear
Music goes into earhole

PATENTED
 
2012-09-12 02:54:02 PM  
Kinda ugly, if you ask me.

cdn.macrumors.com
 
2012-09-12 02:56:37 PM  

Latinwolf: meatofmystery: FlashHarry: lol. apple hate.

lol white knights

I prefer the term iDrones, but with some of them iPussies might be more accurate.


You're an idiot.
 
2012-09-12 02:56:48 PM  

change1211: Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Johnsnownw: I don't understand this infatuation with phone thickness. When I bought my Samsung Captivate, 2 years ago, I thought it was too thin. There is a point where it becomes too thin to handle, and I think we reached that stage 2 years ago. Enough with obsession over making the thinnest phone!

Also, it looks to me as though the iPhone 5 is going to cost more and have fewer or equal necessary features as current Android offerings. I don't think this phone is going to bring in many new customers, but I'm sure current owners will upgrade...because they've invested too much in the company. Suckers.

Give me a thicker phone with a larger battery any day.

According to Macworld's feed, the iPhone 5 has 8 hours of 3G talk time, 3G browsing time, and LTE browsing time, and 225 hours of standby time, which exceeds the battery performance for the iPhone 4S. That's not bad, IMO.

Not bad, but my rugby smart gets 11hrs of video with 4g,wifi, and bluetooth running.

Supposedly, the iPhone 5 gets 10 hours of video playback. If that extra hour matters, you bought the right phone. Personally, I only care about standby and talk time. I have a job that doesn't involve travel, so I seriously doubt I'll ever be watching 10 hours of video on my phone.

But hey, I personally like having choices on the market. I prefer Apple stuff, but realize it's not for everyone. I have even thought about buying a Google Nexus Tablet to see what the Android fuss is about, but I am pretty happy with my iPad and don't really want to throw $200 down for an experiment.

What I don't get, and have never understood, is why people hate Apple so much? Now that we're in an age of interoperability, why should what I use matter one bit to anyone else? And vice versa?

I think a big part of the problem is the people. It seems like for every reasonable person like you there's a dozen people who want to proclaim that everyone e ...


Reasons:
- Fanboys and hipsters.
- Monopoly over hardware that is somehow legal
- Completely locked and fenced in OS
- Fanboys and hipsters
- "The Jesus Phone"
- Costs
- Fake claims that 'it just works'
- Fake claims that they cannot get infected
- Fanboys and Hipsters.

Also a note on the whole IT thing. Really? It just works? Try and use a MAC in an Enterprise environment and see how much fun it is. I had a video card start to die in my Mac Pro tower, no diagnostic tools available to figure out what was causing hangs and graphical glitches. There is almost no administrative capabilities for normal users and that's a big no no. Open source support is weak as well.

Oh and 4 little words: "Spinning pinwheel of death". Never have I had a quad core, 8GB machine hang and perform as badly as my Mac does. I frequently get the pinwheel, or even worse, tremendous amount of hard drive activity on my machine, when nothing is actively doing anything. I'll look at my activity monitor and see 20-30MB/sec write speeds for sometimes as long as 15-20 minutes, try and use a machine when your HDD is off doing it's own little thing.

Terrible experience imho. The iTunes changes were not asked for, and I don't know why they made them. Any modern Android device will blow this farking thing out of the water. If Samsung's lawsuit about 4G LTE goes through (as they created the radios) iPhone will be held up anyway.

/rant
 
2012-09-12 02:57:02 PM  

kab: And in the upcoming days, we'll get to see how truly strapped for cash the 99% is.


Maybe the most pungent and effective comment in this thread.
 
2012-09-12 02:57:11 PM  
Is audio going to work over the new dock connector? my car stereo plugs in to the existing one via USB and gets the audio through that cable. Is that going to "just work" if I swap out the cable for one with the 9-pin connector, or am I going to need some crazy adapters?
 
2012-09-12 02:57:43 PM  

WinoRhino: Mitch Taylor's Bro: LOL, you're so precious.

If you say so. The Apple sales guys came into my school district trying to sell us on iPads and apple products. They have NO WAY to manage them, no way to ensure specific apps are installed across the system to everything. No response when we asked them how to maintain installation of apps through some central iTunes account. Their answer was "Just tell the teachers what to install and they can put in for reimbursement if the app costs money." The few teachers that were issued iPads via grants now want docking stations, keyboards, and have no idea how they can use them with the projectors and other classroom technology we have standard across the district like smart boards, etc.


I don't know what Apple people came into your world but they are idiots. you can easily manage them with the free iPhone Configuration utility that can be deployed in a matter of seconds.
 
2012-09-12 02:59:08 PM  
allow me to direct your attention the the thread from last year's iphone 4s announcement. there were many dire predictions of failure, for all the same reasons mentioned in this thread. maybe you'll be right this time.

Link
 
2012-09-12 03:04:45 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Johnsnownw:
What I don't get, and have never understood, is why people hate Apple so much? Now that we're in an age of interoperability, why should what I use matter one bit to anyone else? And vice versa?


Many people take issue with Apple's patent absurdity. There are other players in this, but Apple is the major one, and it's been pretty ridiculous for some time.

That's where a LOT of the hate comes from.
 
2012-09-12 03:06:45 PM  

iPhone5, according to Apple:

it's designed & built to an exacting standard, unlike anything we or anyone in the industry has made before
"I don't think the level of invention has ever been matched by any other product we've done" -- Bob Mansfield
Jony Ive said they went "way beyond what we knew to be possible" to engineer the iPhone 5
It's not a phone, it's a goddamned engineering miracle.
 
2012-09-12 03:10:06 PM  
www.premier1supplies.com

Think Different. Or differently. Or a little bit better than last time, but still different. But better. 

Fark it, it's skinnier than the last one.
 
2012-09-12 03:10:30 PM  

Ba'boon: And then they still say garbage like this:

"iPhone 5 and iOS 6, the biggest things to happen for iPhone since iCloud. I am so incredibly proud of everyone at Apple."


‶Today is the greatest day in the history of the universe since yesterday!′′
 
2012-09-12 03:10:34 PM  
Disappointed nobody called the Foo Fighters a "hipster" band.
 
2012-09-12 03:10:46 PM  

phimuskapsi: Terrible experience imho. The iTunes changes were not asked for, and I don't know why they made them. Any modern Android device will blow this farking thing out of the water. If Samsung's lawsuit about 4G LTE goes through (as they created the radios) iPhone will be held up anyway.

/rant


HTC, not Samsung, holds the patents concerning LTE.
 
2012-09-12 03:12:19 PM  

Johnsnownw: phimuskapsi: Terrible experience imho. The iTunes changes were not asked for, and I don't know why they made them. Any modern Android device will blow this farking thing out of the water. If Samsung's lawsuit about 4G LTE goes through (as they created the radios) iPhone will be held up anyway.

/rant

HTC, not Samsung, holds the patents concerning LTE.


Samsung will sue Apple over LTE in iPhone 5: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/09/11/samsung-apple-lte-pat ent-iphone.html
 
2012-09-12 03:14:44 PM  

kyleaugustus: This coming out should hopefully push down the price on new iPhone 4s and 4Ss.


Yep, they announced 4 is free with contract, 4S is $99 with contract.
 
kab
2012-09-12 03:15:27 PM  
So much for that whole "rock n' roll" thing, eh Dave?
 
2012-09-12 03:17:22 PM  
My S3 will still be better spec'd than this iPhone or the next iPhone or the one after that.
 
2012-09-12 03:20:58 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: So, I'm going to have to assume you don't give the smallest shiat about this and just want to keep doing things "the way we've always done them...where IT shall remain the 'department of NO.'"


At the end of the day, it's the IT department who has to support the devices, and who will be on the firing line if something goes wrong.

Simply put - their network, their rules.
 
2012-09-12 03:20:59 PM  

USA Prime Credit Peggy: Johnsnownw: phimuskapsi: Terrible experience imho. The iTunes changes were not asked for, and I don't know why they made them. Any modern Android device will blow this farking thing out of the water. If Samsung's lawsuit about 4G LTE goes through (as they created the radios) iPhone will be held up anyway.

/rant

HTC, not Samsung, holds the patents concerning LTE.

Samsung will sue Apple over LTE in iPhone 5: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/09/11/samsung-apple-lte-pat ent-iphone.html


Guess they're going to tag-team them then:

http://www.bgr.com/2012/09/10/htc-lte-patents-likely-valid-apple/
 
2012-09-12 03:21:18 PM  
lol @ the connector..

I'll keep my Nexus S thanks..
 
2012-09-12 03:21:56 PM  

NightOwl2255: Kinda ugly, if you ask me.

[cdn.macrumors.com image 580x405]


It also looks nothing like the actual iPhone 5.
 
2012-09-12 03:22:06 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: iPhone5, according to Apple:it's designed & built to an exacting standard, unlike anything we or anyone in the industry has made before
"I don't think the level of invention has ever been matched by any other product we've done" -- Bob Mansfield
Jony Ive said they went "way beyond what we knew to be possible" to engineer the iPhone 5It's not a phone, it's a goddamned engineering miracle.


LMAOOOOO
 
2012-09-12 03:24:56 PM  
I've been an iPhone user for four years. I'm in the market for a new phone, and it's not going to be yet another iPhone for exactly one reason:

iTunes

/would rather configure extended memory under DOS than use that festering, obtuse POS software ever again
 
2012-09-12 03:26:45 PM  
Whar NFC? WHAR?

/no really...whar?
 
2012-09-12 03:26:46 PM  
I work in an ATT call center taking manager escalations as part of my job, and today it has been awful. Apple users are the worst.

The first was a lady who called at 8 am trying to preorder a phone. She was advised by three people there were no preorders yet, and that the keynote had not even taken place, so we had no idea, about the phone. I finally called an Apple store and pretended to be a customer, and they gave her the exact same info, she said "well I just had to make sure."

The phone is unimpressive, most of the die hard Apple fans at my work have been waiting for the 5, are now going to move to the S3, which is still a better phone.

There really is no way to sugar coat that terd.

One thing is when you break the touch screen on the new iphone, you will beholden to apple to get it fixed...
 
2012-09-12 03:27:37 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Johnsnownw: I don't understand this infatuation with phone thickness. When I bought my Samsung Captivate, 2 years ago, I thought it was too thin. There is a point where it becomes too thin to handle, and I think we reached that stage 2 years ago. Enough with obsession over making the thinnest phone!

Also, it looks to me as though the iPhone 5 is going to cost more and have fewer or equal necessary features as current Android offerings. I don't think this phone is going to bring in many new customers, but I'm sure current owners will upgrade...because they've invested too much in the company. Suckers.

Give me a thicker phone with a larger battery any day.

According to Macworld's feed, the iPhone 5 has 8 hours of 3G talk time, 3G browsing time, and LTE browsing time, and 225 hours of standby time, which exceeds the battery performance for the iPhone 4S. That's not bad, IMO.

Not bad, but my rugby smart gets 11hrs of video with 4g,wifi, and bluetooth running.

Supposedly, the iPhone 5 gets 10 hours of video playback. If that extra hour matters, you bought the right phone. Personally, I only care about standby and talk time. I have a job that doesn't involve travel, so I seriously doubt I'll ever be watching 10 hours of video on my phone.

But hey, I personally like having choices on the market. I prefer Apple stuff, but realize it's not for everyone. I have even thought about buying a Google Nexus Tablet to see what the Android fuss is about, but I am pretty happy with my iPad and don't really want to throw $200 down for an experiment.

What I don't get, and have never understood, is why people hate Apple so much? Now that we're in an age of interoperability, why should what I use matter one bit to anyone else? And vice versa?


It's the law of the giant. Being on top of anything brings in more scrutiny than being number two or three.

Personally I don't hate Apple but I do find some of their practices disingenuous, and harmful to the American economy. I also don't support closed systems that don't allow for upgrade, opensourcing, or the freedom to manage said device without software interceding on my behalf to do so. I like being able to connect my device on whatever machine I want and move data between freely. Apple feels like bondage. Some people wear it well, others not so much.
 
2012-09-12 03:28:20 PM  

Ba'boon: No NFC or Bluetooth 4.0? Wow.


I thought Bluetooth 4.0 was confirmed...if not, just wow...
 
2012-09-12 03:28:37 PM  

GRCooper: I've been an iPhone user for four years. I'm in the market for a new phone, and it's not going to be yet another iPhone for exactly one reason:

iTunes

/would rather configure extended memory under DOS than use that festering, obtuse POS software ever again


I think you'll want to look at the Galaxy SIII of the Nokia Lumia 920. Those look to be the two best phones available right now.
 
2012-09-12 03:30:17 PM  

NutznGum: GRCooper: I've been an iPhone user for four years. I'm in the market for a new phone, and it's not going to be yet another iPhone for exactly one reason:

iTunes

/would rather configure extended memory under DOS than use that festering, obtuse POS software ever again

I think you'll want to look at the Galaxy SIII of the Nokia Lumia 920. Those look to be the two best phones available right now.


The Lumia 920 made me jizz through my pants, through the brink wall, and into the next room for one reason:

You can use it with gloves on.
 
2012-09-12 03:31:47 PM  
Apple is the Fox News of the tech industry. If you're not with us, your wrong

/kinda trolling
 
2012-09-12 03:32:08 PM  

Carth: Shazam187: So I'm sitting on a 3gs, have been for 3 years... starting to get the new phone itch.

Whar is reason to buy 5? Siri talks to me, not sure what else.

Wouldn't it be better to buy a 4S now that they'll be cheaper? Like Iphone, like apps, not terribly concerned with newness.

If you hold on to your phones since the 3GS came out you might as well buy a five because you'll have it for another 4 years.


The iPhone 5 is apparently already 2 years behind the times, so doubtful.
 
2012-09-12 03:33:46 PM  

Marine1: NutznGum: GRCooper: I've been an iPhone user for four years. I'm in the market for a new phone, and it's not going to be yet another iPhone for exactly one reason:

iTunes

/would rather configure extended memory under DOS than use that festering, obtuse POS software ever again

I think you'll want to look at the Galaxy SIII of the Nokia Lumia 920. Those look to be the two best phones available right now.

The Lumia 920 made me jizz through my pants, through the brink wall, and into the next room for one reason:

You can use it with gloves on.


As a Canadian, this is relevant to my interests.

I was all set on the SIII but once I saw the Lumia now I'm not so sure.
 
2012-09-12 03:34:40 PM  
Apple gets faux Italian-American accent, leather jacket, jumps shark.

iPhone 4S vs. iPhone 5
 
2012-09-12 03:34:56 PM  

TheGhostofFarkPast: I don't know what Apple people came into your world but they are idiots. you can easily manage them with the free iPhone Configuration utility that can be deployed in a matter of seconds.


Yeah, several other people mentioned that in this thread after my post (some after calling me stupid and lazy and then posting links.) So why didn't these guys from Apple have those answers? You'd think they'd be familiar with questions like that from school district especially. Anyway, I appreciate the heads-up and will certainly look into it for the few we have out there.
 
2012-09-12 03:35:13 PM  

NutznGum: GRCooper: I've been an iPhone user for four years. I'm in the market for a new phone, and it's not going to be yet another iPhone for exactly one reason:

iTunes

/would rather configure extended memory under DOS than use that festering, obtuse POS software ever again

I think you'll want to look at the Galaxy SIII of the Nokia Lumia 920. Those look to be the two best phones available right now.


Yeah, I would add the HTC One X to that list...probably remove the Nokia, actually.
 
2012-09-12 03:35:57 PM  

NutznGum: Marine1: NutznGum: GRCooper: I've been an iPhone user for four years. I'm in the market for a new phone, and it's not going to be yet another iPhone for exactly one reason:

iTunes

/would rather configure extended memory under DOS than use that festering, obtuse POS software ever again

I think you'll want to look at the Galaxy SIII of the Nokia Lumia 920. Those look to be the two best phones available right now.

The Lumia 920 made me jizz through my pants, through the brink wall, and into the next room for one reason:

You can use it with gloves on.

As a Canadian, this is relevant to my interests.

I was all set on the SIII but once I saw the Lumia now I'm not so sure.


An even bigger implication is that anything can be used as a stylus, if one so prefers.
 
2012-09-12 03:35:58 PM  
Really Dave?? REALLY?

i2.cdnds.net
 
2012-09-12 03:36:43 PM  
I guess we've gotten to the point that there really aren't any major changes you can make to a smartphone.
Everything will be iterative until the next breakout form factor enters the public consciousness.

The only thing that caught my eye in the last few years was the Courier form factor, and it died stillborn.
Would love to see someone pick it back up (2 4in screens with 3 bezels and a seamless hinge). Oh well.
 
2012-09-12 03:37:13 PM  

styckx: Really Dave?? REALLY?

[i2.cdnds.net image 618x407]


Ohhhhhhh... that's... not good.


Not just not good... it's unfortunate.
 
2012-09-12 03:39:22 PM  

Virtual Pariah: I guess we've gotten to the point that there really aren't any major changes you can make to a smartphone.
Everything will be iterative until the next breakout form factor enters the public consciousness.

The only thing that caught my eye in the last few years was the Courier form factor, and it died stillborn.
Would love to see someone pick it back up (2 4in screens with 3 bezels and a seamless hinge). Oh well.


There's plenty more to be done. I'd love a more modular design, or some way to remove the UI from the phone entirely - projection onto a surface that could be read by the phone.

Apple's figured out that they have to do a grand total of nothing in order to get sales, so they're going to do nothing in updating these things. Like I said earlier, with this release, they've officially jumped the shark.
 
2012-09-12 03:44:32 PM  
So, the new connector is because it's more durable? Well worth throwing away all your £100 speaker dock so that you don't have to spend out for a few extra £5 cables.
 
2012-09-12 03:50:02 PM  
The main argument I've had over iPhones is that Apple has the money and the tech to push the envelope and introduce new and awesome features.. and basically force other manufacturers to play catch-up. This is a win for the consumer, like me.
Instead, I watch Apple release a product that I've already had for a year with my S2.

Does anyone have a side by side feature list of the iPhone 5 vs let's say.. an S3? or any other popular phone?
 
2012-09-12 03:51:02 PM  

Dr.Knockboots: The main argument I've had over iPhones is that Apple has the money and the tech to push the envelope and introduce new and awesome features.. and basically force other manufacturers to play catch-up. This is a win for the consumer, like me.
Instead, I watch Apple release a product that I've already had for a year with my S2.

Does anyone have a side by side feature list of the iPhone 5 vs let's say.. an S3? or any other popular phone?


I posted one comparing it to the iPhone 4S up there somewhere, I think.
 
2012-09-12 03:51:29 PM  

Virtual Pariah: I guess we've gotten to the point that there really aren't any major changes you can make to a smartphone.


No, Apple is just treating their customers like they're farking stupid.

Example: NFC. It's considered pretty much standard on the most recent-gen smartphones. But not this one, for some farked up reason. Given that iOS 6 has NFC-friendly features, it's a pretty obvious blatant effort to withhold features to justify the inevitable iPhone 5[fill in whatever here].

Also, no inductive charging so they can eliminate one avenue of avoiding their bullsh*t accessories.

In short, they're not even including features that are now generally expected in new phones, much less introducing anything new.
 
2012-09-12 03:55:37 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Example: NFC. It's considered pretty much standard on the most recent-gen smartphones


I don't know if I have that on my phone or, if I do, what I would be using it for.
 
2012-09-12 03:57:31 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Example: NFC. It's considered pretty much standard on the most recent-gen smartphones

I don't know if I have that on my phone or, if I do, what I would be using it for.


That's what app developers are supposed to do.
 
2012-09-12 04:01:57 PM  

Dr.Knockboots: Does anyone have a side by side feature list of the iPhone 5 vs let's say.. an S3? or any other popular phone?


Here's one.

You can wager a hundred more detailed ones will be out within hours.

I already read one where the guy tried to claim that the iPhone display was better because it has 20 more ppi (326 vs. 306). Which was amusing.
 
2012-09-12 04:02:39 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Example: NFC. It's considered pretty much standard on the most recent-gen smartphones

I don't know if I have that on my phone or, if I do, what I would be using it for.


Mainly for buying things with your phone instead of pulling out your debit/cc.
 
2012-09-12 04:06:14 PM  

secularsage: On another note: why do these tech demos always involve old guys with lots of money, trying to pretend like they're hip enough to tweet, hang out with their young friends or join people for sushi?


Old people aren't allowed to like sushi? Did you ever stop to think that maybe they'd been enjoying sushi before you were born. What's next? I bet you believe young people invented sex...
 
2012-09-12 04:08:10 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Example: NFC. It's considered pretty much standard on the most recent-gen smartphones

I don't know if I have that on my phone or, if I do, what I would be using it for.


This is generally the case with newer technology. Look it up. Like I said, it is generally expected to be a standard feature on late-gen phones. Even Apple thinks so, as I pointed out in the statement regarding iOS 6 features. It is a big deal.
 
2012-09-12 04:08:13 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Dr.Knockboots: Does anyone have a side by side feature list of the iPhone 5 vs let's say.. an S3? or any other popular phone?

Here's one.

You can wager a hundred more detailed ones will be out within hours.

I already read one where the guy tried to claim that the iPhone display was better because it has 20 more ppi (326 vs. 306). Which was amusing.


That's the intl GS3, the US market has the dual core snapdragon, and 2 GB RAM.
 
2012-09-12 04:08:54 PM  

swaxhog: Mainly for buying things with your phone instead of pulling out your debit/cc.


oy... not sure I'd be comfortable with that at the moment. But I suppose someone has to blaze that trail.
 
2012-09-12 04:09:04 PM  
Let's talk data plans. I've been grandfathered in to AT&T's unlimited 3G data plan, but now with LTE coming out, what should I do? Suck it up and deal with the stupid cap on AT&T LTE? Suck it up and deal with the stupid cap on Verizon's LTE? Stay on 3G?

Will AT&T's 3G network get less shiatty when people stop using it, or will they start shutting down hardware to maintain the same level of crappiness?
 
2012-09-12 04:10:41 PM  
Here's what the iPhone is now

upload.wikimedia.org

While bikes continue to evolve, with carbon fibre and so forth, most people buy bikes that aren't much difference to what they were 50 years ago, and will trade modern advantages for lower cost.

I'm convinced that Apple are going to be in trouble within a decade. People aren't going to buy their flagship products in such numbers, and the fight will be over price, not features.
 
2012-09-12 04:11:27 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: swaxhog: Mainly for buying things with your phone instead of pulling out your debit/cc.

oy... not sure I'd be comfortable with that at the moment. But I suppose someone has to blaze that trail.


That's a rather naive objection. You're afraid somebody's going to swipe a device near your pocket that steals your money? Because:
1) NFC requires pretty close range.
2) In any decently designed UI, the payer would have to press some kind of accept button.

If you think the 16 digit number stored on your credit card is more secure...
 
kab
2012-09-12 04:16:40 PM  

swaxhog: Mainly for buying things with your phone instead of pulling out your debit/cc.


I keep forgetting how hard it is to reach my wallet.
 
2012-09-12 04:17:41 PM  
No more Google Maps and Youtube app with the new IOS 6 update? That kinda sucks
 
2012-09-12 04:21:39 PM  

kab: swaxhog: Mainly for buying things with your phone instead of pulling out your debit/cc.

I keep forgetting how hard it is to reach my wallet.


It's one less thing to lose. Add your receipt to the phone as well, and it's two less things to lose.
 
2012-09-12 04:23:26 PM  

Jerseysteve22: No more Google Maps and Youtube app with the new IOS 6 update? That kinda sucks


YouTube as an app never made sense to me. They can stick an HTML5 player in the web browser, like they already do in places where YouTube videos are embedded.
Or, let Google release their own YouTube app that they have control over.

We'll see how Apple's maps stack up to Google's
 
2012-09-12 04:25:17 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: kab: swaxhog: Mainly for buying things with your phone instead of pulling out your debit/cc.

I keep forgetting how hard it is to reach my wallet.

It's one less thing to lose. Add your receipt to the phone as well, and it's two less things to lose.


One less thing taking up space in your pocket too.
Next they need to come up with a standard for displaying photo ID on the phone screen and push for government acceptance of that in addition to separate cards.
 
2012-09-12 04:28:05 PM  

Jerseysteve22: Youtube app


YouTube has already released a native app that offers moar better stuff and things.

And more ads.
 
2012-09-12 04:31:32 PM  

serial_crusher: That's a rather naive objection. You're afraid somebody's going to swipe a device near your pocket that steals your money? Because:
1) NFC requires pretty close range.
2) In any decently designed UI, the payer would have to press some kind of accept button.


No idea what crackers may come up with. It's probably the future of payment methods, hell the Japanese have probably already been using it for a decade. I'm sure I'll use it eventually. Just saying that over here, I'm not going to be among the first.

As far as a feature to choose between an iPhone and Android device, it would be a fairly small consideration, even though some people are insisting

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: It is a big deal.

 

FWIW I checked, I have a 'droid device about a year old, and it doesn't have NFC, must be the newest crop like the SIII and such that come with this and bluetooth 4.0. I have no idea what that does, will probably look it up later.

iPhones have typically been a little slow to pick up the newest tech, e.g. they're just adding LTE now, a lot of people were miffed with the first iPhone lack of 3G, etc.
 
2012-09-12 04:43:16 PM  

Latinwolf: I prefer the term iDrones, but with some of them iPussies might be more accurate.


jeez, do you suck your mother's dick with that mouth?

it's a phone. if you don't like it, don't buy it. why the hate?
 
2012-09-12 04:44:29 PM  
When people say their iOS device does everything they need it to, then I always immediately think that Apple is just right for them, since they're not tech-savvy enough to realize what they're missing. That, and people are mostly herd-followers, so the iPhone 5 will sell brazillions.

By far the most interactive and option-laden OS I've used on a mobile hand-held device is Android 4, and I had an iPhone 3G for 2.5 years and currently also have an iPhone 4 from work. My HTC Amaze running Android spins circles around the iPhone 4S due to the OS and expandable micro-SD memory alone (they have many of the same stats except for my larger screen)... the only downside is the shorter battery life on Android devices, but considering all the ways it blows either iPhone I've had away I don't mind charging it nightly. Plus, I have an extra battery for it that I can just swap out, and keep everything going full tilt all the time :-)

Not being a slave to DRM with some neat software from Europe doesn't hurt either.

But iFans don't actually care about specs, they care that they're using that cool Apple device that's just so pretty to look at.
 
2012-09-12 05:01:44 PM  
I gave my iPhone 4 to my mom and got a Galaxy SIII. It sucked to leave all the apps behind, especially since I dumped my iPad for a nexus7, but so far I really like android.

This iPhone 5 doesn't do anything my S3 doesn't do beyond icloud, but Google has its own service.

The only thing I hate is the crappy autocorrect, but jelly bean on my nexus7 is better at it so hopefully a jelly bean update comes soon to the S3.

I do like that iPod nano, especially since it has physical buttons again. I think I may get one for biking and using in the car.
 
2012-09-12 05:02:29 PM  

serial_crusher: Let's talk data plans. I've been grandfathered in to AT&T's unlimited 3G data plan, but now with LTE coming out, what should I do? Suck it up and deal with the stupid cap on AT&T LTE? Suck it up and deal with the stupid cap on Verizon's LTE? Stay on 3G?

Will AT&T's 3G network get less shiatty when people stop using it, or will they start shutting down hardware to maintain the same level of crappiness?


I went from a 3G Focus to a LTE Nokia and was forced to get a LTE plan
 
2012-09-12 05:02:39 PM  

styckx: Really Dave?? REALLY?

[i2.cdnds.net image 618x407]


That picture would make Kurt Cobain want to blow his brains out.
 
2012-09-12 05:09:46 PM  
Great comparison article.

Looks like the Galaxy SIII and Lumia 920 have several key advantages.

Engadget
 
2012-09-12 05:13:09 PM  
Oh wait, looks like iPhone does have Bluetube 4.0. Had it last model actually. Maybe that's back to not being a big deal, or being a big deal, depending on which side of the phone-political spectrum you're on.
 
2012-09-12 05:14:07 PM  

Marine1: styckx: Really Dave?? REALLY?

[i2.cdnds.net image 618x407]

Ohhhhhhh... that's... not good.


Not just not good... it's unfortunate.


Well, Nickleback was booked up.......................
 
2012-09-12 05:17:14 PM  

jso2897: Marine1: styckx: Really Dave?? REALLY?

[i2.cdnds.net image 618x407]

Ohhhhhhh... that's... not good.


Not just not good... it's unfortunate.

Well, Nickleback was booked up.......................


That's the acid to the hipster base. The amount of rock douchebaggery that would have been compressed into that presentation hall would have created a vortex of suck that would have sucked Cupertino completely up its own asshole.
 
2012-09-12 05:18:48 PM  

Marine1: jso2897: Marine1: styckx: Really Dave?? REALLY?

[i2.cdnds.net image 618x407]

Ohhhhhhh... that's... not good.


Not just not good... it's unfortunate.

Well, Nickleback was booked up.......................

That's the acid to the hipster base. The amount of rock douchebaggery that would have been compressed into that presentation hall would have created a vortex of suck that would have sucked Cupertino completely up its own asshole.


My personal choice for that gig would have been GWAR - but there's a reason apple doesn't hire me to do their event planning.
 
2012-09-12 05:25:38 PM  

FlashHarry: Latinwolf: I prefer the term iDrones, but with some of them iPussies might be more accurate.

jeez, do you suck your mother's dick with that mouth?

it's a phone. if you don't like it, don't buy it. why the hate?


Why the white knighting then?
 
2012-09-12 05:26:22 PM  

serial_crusher: what should I do? Suck it up and deal with the stupid cap on AT&T LTE? Suck it up and deal with the stupid cap on Verizon's LTE? Stay on 3G?


Check your monthly data usage and plan accordingly.

That's why I liked T-Mobe's plan, you run against your "4G" HSPA+ cap (I did once with a runaway app syncing with a server), then they cut you back down to 2G. With the other carriers, they rape you. Literally come to your house and rape you.

However, since I fixed the issue with that app, I've not come close to my 5GB cap once, YMMV. Personally I wish all the other carrier would do something similar, maybe offer you the option to either have 3G for the remainder of your billing cycle, or purchase additional high-speed bandwidth at reasonable rapes. I mean rates.
 
2012-09-12 05:29:31 PM  
AT&T announce that unlimited plans can be grandfathered in when upgrading to iPhone 5:

Link
 
2012-09-12 05:30:23 PM  
So much is being made about the connector. Use your current device in your old gadgets. It's not like the device becomes a brick when you upgrade.
 
2012-09-12 05:35:05 PM  

influx: AT&T announce that unlimited plans can be grandfathered in when upgrading to iPhone 5:

Link


That's good to hear, but they don't specifically say that I'll be grandfathered in and granted access to the LTE network. They could feasibly keep me as 3G only, right?
 
2012-09-12 05:45:45 PM  

serial_crusher: influx: AT&T announce that unlimited plans can be grandfathered in when upgrading to iPhone 5:

Link

That's good to hear, but they don't specifically say that I'll be grandfathered in and granted access to the LTE network. They could feasibly keep me as 3G only, right?


No, I work for ATT, you will just be moved to an LTE plan, like we have done for the past 2 years with Android phones.
 
2012-09-12 05:49:51 PM  

Fark You Buddy: Why the white knighting then?


where did i white knight? have i defended apple anywhere in this thread? i merely find apple derangement syndrome amusing.
 
2012-09-12 05:49:51 PM  

Swoop1809: I gave my iPhone 4 to my mom and got a Galaxy SIII. It sucked to leave all the apps behind, especially since I dumped my iPad for a nexus7, but so far I really like android.

This iPhone 5 doesn't do anything my S3 doesn't do beyond icloud, but Google has its own service.

The only thing I hate is the crappy autocorrect, but jelly bean on my nexus7 is better at it so hopefully a jelly bean update comes soon to the S3.

I do like that iPod nano, especially since it has physical buttons again. I think I may get one for biking and using in the car.


Ask and you shall receive!

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.touchtype.swiftkey& f eature=nav_other

Meet Swiftkey3. No one likes paying for a keyboard app but I assure you this one is worth it. It has ridiculously accurate auto-correct and predictive text that learns from your typing habit. It can also separate words that you've forgotten to separate with a space bar.
The predictive text is insane. The other day I was talking politics with a friend via text and I typed "house of" and the recommended word after that was "representatives." If I type "more or" the recommended word is "less." It can also learn your typing from Gmail, Facebook,Twitter, and other apps if you allow it to.
The features go on and on.
 
2012-09-12 05:55:35 PM  

Waldo Pepper: I realize the iphone would be the easiest phone to combine but is there a better choice out there


Honestly, from reading your situation, no. Not really. As far as syncing calendar and appointments, Android works great for me, but iPhone can do that too with Google calendar, gmail contacts, etc.
There are some Android phones with bigger (some with *very* large) screens if that is an important thing to you. But iPhones are great. I'd suggest getting one.
 
2012-09-12 06:04:15 PM  

Dr.Knockboots: The main argument I've had over iPhones is that Apple has the money and the tech to push the envelope and introduce new and awesome features.. and basically force other manufacturers to play catch-up. This is a win for the consumer, like me.
Instead, I watch Apple release a product that I've already had for a year with my S2.


Your S2? I could see Skyrocket (which came out 12/2011), but an S2 isn't even LTE.
 
2012-09-12 06:12:44 PM  
A 2GB MP3 player for $50 is kind of insulting right now. The Shuffle isn't any better than any other screen-less Mp3 player on the market, and you can get a Sansa Clip with a lot more storage (and an SD slot) for a lower price.

I love my iPad 2, but it's pretty obvious Apple is screwing people hard with the Shuffle. 2GB of storage is a joke at today's memory prices.
 
2012-09-12 06:13:26 PM  

wholedamnshow: Swoop1809: I gave my iPhone 4 to my mom and got a Galaxy SIII. It sucked to leave all the apps behind, especially since I dumped my iPad for a nexus7, but so far I really like android.

This iPhone 5 doesn't do anything my S3 doesn't do beyond icloud, but Google has its own service.

The only thing I hate is the crappy autocorrect, but jelly bean on my nexus7 is better at it so hopefully a jelly bean update comes soon to the S3.

I do like that iPod nano, especially since it has physical buttons again. I think I may get one for biking and using in the car.

Ask and you shall receive!

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.touchtype.swiftkey& f eature=nav_other

Meet Swiftkey3. No one likes paying for a keyboard app but I assure you this one is worth it. It has ridiculously accurate auto-correct and predictive text that learns from your typing habit. It can also separate words that you've forgotten to separate with a space bar.
The predictive text is insane. The other day I was talking politics with a friend via text and I typed "house of" and the recommended word after that was "representatives." If I type "more or" the recommended word is "less." It can also learn your typing from Gmail, Facebook,Twitter, and other apps if you allow it to.
The features go on and on.


I've actually had Swiftkey 3 on my phone for awhile, but have been using SlideIT (which kind of sucks). Does Swiftkey 3 have a swipe function?
 
2012-09-12 06:19:58 PM  
heh. I have a grandfathered in unlimited family plan with tmo voice text & data . Combined for both phones is $150 a month. We're gonna keep our galaxy s2's which are rooted so we can have the free hotspot. and sell the new s3's for a $1000 total on craigslist which will net us about $500 after paying for the upgrades. So, that's already pretty good. Then tmo is sending us 2 $100 gift cards AND paying my next bill. No wonder they're struggling.
 
2012-09-12 06:21:30 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Ba'boon: I can't go a day in my field (IT) without someone glossing about how we should just get all Mac stuff and iPhone stuff because they all "just work"

Yeah, it's weird the way users want something that works and this annoys IT guys.


Believe me, if Apple stuff really did live up to the "it just works" hype, IT guys would be all over it.
 
2012-09-12 06:22:10 PM  

ZeroCorpse: A 2GB MP3 player for $50 is kind of insulting right now. The Shuffle isn't any better than any other screen-less Mp3 player on the market, and you can get a Sansa Clip with a lot more storage (and an SD slot) for a lower price.

I love my iPad 2, but it's pretty obvious Apple is screwing people hard with the Shuffle. 2GB of storage is a joke at today's memory prices.


You can't compare a Sansa Clip to an iPod Shuffle. The Sansa is well over two times as big. They are different products.
 
2012-09-12 06:29:25 PM  

Moopy Mac: You can't compare a Sansa Clip to an iPod Shuffle. The Sansa is well over two times as big. They are different products.


True. But his point stands. 2gb is a joke at today's prices. Hell, it's a joke at last year's prices. But if someone will pay it, why not I suppose.
 
2012-09-12 06:34:39 PM  

Moopy Mac: You can't compare a Sansa Clip to an iPod Shuffle. The Sansa is well over two times as big


You just compared them.
 
2012-09-12 06:36:58 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Video time is just used to show battery life under max load, which is a good indicator of what you will get with the other functions. the 1 hr isn't what I made my decision based on. I wanted a waterproof and shockproof smartphone.


Gotcha.
 
2012-09-12 06:42:31 PM  

FlashHarry: it's a phone. if you don't like it, don't buy it. why the hate?


Because it's off-putting watching people act animals. When you put a rat in a maze with cheese at the end, when the rat gets the cheese its brain releases dopamine, triggering a reward sensation. iDrones are the rats, iProducts are the cheese.
 
2012-09-12 06:47:44 PM  

Kaybeck: FlashHarry: it's a phone. if you don't like it, don't buy it. why the hate?

Because it's off-putting watching people act animals. When you put a rat in a maze with cheese at the end, when the rat gets the cheese its brain releases dopamine, triggering a reward sensation. iDrones are the rats, iProducts are the cheese.


There's always cheese in a mousetrap.
 
2012-09-12 07:12:16 PM  

theflatline: serial_crusher: influx: AT&T announce that unlimited plans can be grandfathered in when upgrading to iPhone 5:

Link

That's good to hear, but they don't specifically say that I'll be grandfathered in and granted access to the LTE network. They could feasibly keep me as 3G only, right?

No, I work for ATT, you will just be moved to an LTE plan, like we have done for the past 2 years with Android phones.


Hell I needed to talk to you because they forced me to get a LTE plan with my Nokia Lumia
/Came from a Focus with a 3G plan
 
2012-09-12 07:15:35 PM  

Kaybeck: FlashHarry: it's a phone. if you don't like it, don't buy it. why the hate?

Because it's off-putting watching people act animals. When you put a rat in a maze with cheese at the end, when the rat gets the cheese its brain releases dopamine, triggering a reward sensation. iDrones are the rats, iProducts are the cheese.


That's just an excuse that Apple hating assholes use.
 
2012-09-12 07:23:51 PM  
This will be the coolest thing to happen to these people until the iPhone 6 is released next year.
 
2012-09-12 07:24:53 PM  
Another thing that is a bit oft putting is the Panorama feature of iOS 6 only supporting iphone 4s and above. I have the iphone 4 and wont get that feature. Of course I don't care since I've been using Photosynth since a year or more and didnt need to wait for the feature. But really why act like you need better hardware for features that have been already available for a while.
 
2012-09-12 07:37:33 PM  

serial_crusher: Jerseysteve22: No more Google Maps and Youtube app with the new IOS 6 update? That kinda sucks

YouTube as an app never made sense to me. They can stick an HTML5 player in the web browser, like they already do in places where YouTube videos are embedded.
Or, let Google release their own YouTube app that they have control over.

We'll see how Apple's maps stack up to Google's


I liked it because it was convenient. It was right there. No web browser to fire up. I just search and upload from their app.
 
2012-09-12 07:38:00 PM  

WinoRhino: TheGhostofFarkPast: I don't know what Apple people came into your world but they are idiots. you can easily manage them with the free iPhone Configuration utility that can be deployed in a matter of seconds.

Yeah, several other people mentioned that in this thread after my post (some after calling me stupid and lazy and then posting links.) So why didn't these guys from Apple have those answers? You'd think they'd be familiar with questions like that from school district especially. Anyway, I appreciate the heads-up and will certainly look into it for the few we have out there.


No one called you stupid ;-)

Like I said, Apple is not good at communicating with enterprises. It's kind of understandable, since they were effectively shut out of the enterprise for so long. But now that there is an actual push from within enterprises to allow Apple products on the corporate network (or school district network, in your case), I think they should ramp up their enterprise sales force, do a better job at addressing enterprise needs and teaching their sales force to communicate the solutions that are out there.
 
2012-09-12 07:38:09 PM  

markie_farkie: Jerseysteve22: Youtube app

YouTube has already released a native app that offers moar better stuff and things.

And more ads.


I'm getting sick of being advertised to. Leave me the hell alone.
 
2012-09-12 07:44:36 PM  
I have an HTC One X and an iPhone 4. I actually like the iPhone 4 better. It's just nicer. Maybe it doesn't do everything the Android does, but I actually do care about looks and quality in my phone.
 
2012-09-12 08:33:51 PM  

influx: AT&T announce that unlimited plans can be grandfathered in when upgrading to iPhone 5:

Link


This makes me happy.
 
Ant
2012-09-12 08:53:48 PM  

Johnsnownw: I don't understand this infatuation with phone thickness. When I bought my Samsung Captivate, 2 years ago, I thought it was too thin. There is a point where it becomes too thin to handle, and I think we reached that stage 2 years ago. Enough with obsession over making the thinnest phone!


Yeah, this. I actually bought a case for my Galaxy S3 because it was too thin. I was afraid I'd drop it. I need a little bulk in a phone
 
2012-09-12 09:02:04 PM  

Johnsnownw: Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Mitch Taylor's Bro: machodonkeywrestler: Johnsnownw:
What I don't get, and have never understood, is why people hate Apple so much? Now that we're in an age of interoperability, why should what I use matter one bit to anyone else? And vice versa?

Many people take issue with Apple's patent absurdity. There are other players in this, but Apple is the major one, and it's been pretty ridiculous for some time.

That's where a LOT of the hate comes from.


Oh come ON! Apple hate goes back a lot farther than that!

And you have to admit that the iPhone WAS a game-changer. There was no phone quite like it before it was released. But about a year later, Android was released. And about a year after that, Eric Schmidt resigns from Apple's BoD...probably about three years too late.

If you had invested as much time and money developing something as unique as the original iPhone wouldn't you protect it by any legal means possible?
 
2012-09-12 09:19:04 PM  

finnished: Mitch Taylor's Bro: So, I'm going to have to assume you don't give the smallest shiat about this and just want to keep doing things "the way we've always done them...where IT shall remain the 'department of NO.'"

At the end of the day, it's the IT department who has to support the devices, and who will be on the firing line if something goes wrong.

Simply put - their network, their rules.


The whole concept of "the department of NO" has nothing to do with who has to support what or what the consequences are. It stems from the belief that IT should do more than just keep things the way they are. That they should do more than just keep things running. They should be looking for ways to use technology to solve business problems. That requires having an open mind, not just looking for ways that an initiative can fail.
 
2012-09-12 09:23:38 PM  

WitchyWoman: What I don't get, and have never understood, is why people hate Apple so much? Now that we're in an age of interoperability, why should what I use matter one bit to anyone else? And vice versa?

It's the law of the giant. Being on top of anything brings in more scrutiny than being number two or three.

Personally I don't hate Apple but I do find some of their practices disingenuous, and harmful to the American economy. I also don't support closed systems that don't allow for upgrade, opensourcing, or the freedom to manage said device without software interceding on my behalf to do so. I like being able to connect my device on whatever machine I want and move data between freely. Apple feels like bondage. Some people wear it well, others not so much.


Apple hate has existed long before Apple became a dominant player in the personal computer industry. I've used macs since the dominant theme of every Macworld Expo was, "When is Sony going to buy Apple?"

Everything else you said has merit, though.
 
2012-09-12 09:24:42 PM  

Marine1: NutznGum: GRCooper: I've been an iPhone user for four years. I'm in the market for a new phone, and it's not going to be yet another iPhone for exactly one reason:

iTunes

/would rather configure extended memory under DOS than use that festering, obtuse POS software ever again

I think you'll want to look at the Galaxy SIII of the Nokia Lumia 920. Those look to be the two best phones available right now.

The Lumia 920 made me jizz through my pants, through the brink wall, and into the next room for one reason:

You can use it with gloves on.


Sounds like it had better be jizz-proof, too ;-)
 
2012-09-12 09:56:08 PM  
In this sea of irrational anger, there's one thing that seems to have gone unmentioned: The CPU is an ARM Cortex A15. That makes Apple among the first (if not THE first) vendor to ship a device with an A15 SoC, which is pretty darned spiffy. They're claiming twice the horsepower, but ARM stated (IIRC) that the A15 was about 40% faster clock-for-clock than the A9, so I'm wondering if the die shrink and lower power consumption of the A15 let Apple crank up the clocks something major. I'm looking forward to benchmarks, if only for a taste of what is to come from other vendors.

That and the screen has the full sRGB color gamut, which is bloody nuts on a phone. Now if only Apple could bring that to all of their displays...
 
2012-09-12 10:09:26 PM  

Durendal: In this sea of irrational anger, there's one thing that seems to have gone unmentioned: The CPU is an ARM Cortex A15. That makes Apple among the first (if not THE first) vendor to ship a device with an A15 SoC, which is pretty darned spiffy. They're claiming twice the horsepower, but ARM stated (IIRC) that the A15 was about 40% faster clock-for-clock than the A9, so I'm wondering if the die shrink and lower power consumption of the A15 let Apple crank up the clocks something major. I'm looking forward to benchmarks, if only for a taste of what is to come from other vendors.

That and the screen has the full sRGB color gamut, which is bloody nuts on a phone. Now if only Apple could bring that to all of their displays...


Especially since sRGB was invented by MS and HP... And Samsung did it first. The S3 owns all iphones.
 
2012-09-12 10:43:54 PM  

roflmaonow: Another thing that is a bit oft putting is the Panorama feature of iOS 6 only supporting iphone 4s and above. I have the iphone 4 and wont get that feature. Of course I don't care since I've been using Photosynth since a year or more and didnt need to wait for the feature. But really why act like you need better hardware for features that have been already available for a while.



Because your cheap-ass hasn't put enough money into the collection-plate of the Church of Apple.

If Zombie Steve Jobs is truly your savior, you will buy a new 5, and the new adapter cables to go with it. Then you can have your "stock" panoramic picture capability.

/Your devotion to your savior is only applicable through how much money you give them
//It is kinda freaky how much Apple and organized religion have in common
 
2012-09-12 10:50:49 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Marine1: NutznGum: GRCooper: I've been an iPhone user for four years. I'm in the market for a new phone, and it's not going to be yet another iPhone for exactly one reason:

iTunes

/would rather configure extended memory under DOS than use that festering, obtuse POS software ever again

I think you'll want to look at the Galaxy SIII of the Nokia Lumia 920. Those look to be the two best phones available right now.

The Lumia 920 made me jizz through my pants, through the brink wall, and into the next room for one reason:

You can use it with gloves on.

Sounds like it had better be jizz-proof, too ;-)


Why do you think I was wearing the gloves?
 
2012-09-12 10:55:38 PM  

theflatline: Durendal: In this sea of irrational anger, there's one thing that seems to have gone unmentioned: The CPU is an ARM Cortex A15. That makes Apple among the first (if not THE first) vendor to ship a device with an A15 SoC, which is pretty darned spiffy. They're claiming twice the horsepower, but ARM stated (IIRC) that the A15 was about 40% faster clock-for-clock than the A9, so I'm wondering if the die shrink and lower power consumption of the A15 let Apple crank up the clocks something major. I'm looking forward to benchmarks, if only for a taste of what is to come from other vendors.

That and the screen has the full sRGB color gamut, which is bloody nuts on a phone. Now if only Apple could bring that to all of their displays...

Especially since sRGB was invented by MS and HP... And Samsung did it first. The S3 owns all iphones.


So Apple can't use it somehow? S3 does not use sRGB. The screen is pentile. I have not heard many people complaining about that fact but no, S3 doe snot own all phones!
 
2012-09-12 11:10:43 PM  

Marine1: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Marine1: NutznGum: GRCooper: I've been an iPhone user for four years. I'm in the market for a new phone, and it's not going to be yet another iPhone for exactly one reason:

iTunes

/would rather configure extended memory under DOS than use that festering, obtuse POS software ever again

I think you'll want to look at the Galaxy SIII of the Nokia Lumia 920. Those look to be the two best phones available right now.

The Lumia 920 made me jizz through my pants, through the brink wall, and into the next room for one reason:

You can use it with gloves on.

Sounds like it had better be jizz-proof, too ;-)

Why do you think I was wearing the gloves?


Blisters?
 
2012-09-13 01:10:15 AM  

Moopy Mac: I've actually had Swiftkey 3 on my phone for awhile, but have been using SlideIT (which kind of sucks). Does Swiftkey 3 have a swipe function?


Unfortunately, not that I'm aware of. However, I used a keyboard with swype before and I don't find myself missing it. Even w/o swype, I still recommend buying it.
 
2012-09-13 02:09:01 AM  
It looks like a very good thing and is no doubt amazingly built but you know, its a bit.. dull. Its a bit Microsoft not Apple. What happened to that company who made products people genuinely got excited about? The excitement here just seems residual at this point, like people are going woo because they expect to go woo.
 
2012-09-13 03:00:19 AM  
This is actually the first time I want an iPhone 5... this after making fun of it all this time.
 
2012-09-13 03:04:54 AM  
 
2012-09-13 05:06:17 AM  

Mike: Galileo


No, it will be called "Very, very frightening" instead.
 
2012-09-13 06:27:15 AM  

COMALite J: 84 million iPads sold to date? Wow! That totally crushes, by nearly three-fold if you go by the highest estimate (Jack Tramiel′s own numbers of ~30 million) and more like 6¾× the more reliable numbers (~12½ million), the record that the Commodore 64 had of being the #1 selling model of personal computer of all time until the iPad!

(If you count the iPad as a personal computer, and I see no reason why not.)


There are three different models of the ipad, each with notable differences in hardware. Each of those three are sold in three variants regarding memory and two for networking, for a grand total of 18 different ipad models.

If you count notable hardware changes then the IBM PC would be by far the top selling computer.


The reason the Commodore 64 takes the title is that those 30 million machines were almost completely identical. The only differences between a C64 built in 1982 and one in 1994 are the shape of the case and minor changes to the sound produced by the SID chip. Everything else, from the 6502 CPU to the 64K of RAM to the VIC-II chip and the BASIC implementation were exactly the same.
 
2012-09-13 06:34:15 AM  
I just switched from an iphone 4 to a GS3,and they'll have to pull it out of my cold dead hands.

Sorry, no nerd has ever achieved erection after hearing the words "walled garden." People who get excited about new iphones are the same people who get excited about angry birds and facebook. Nerds want the freedom to tinker with whatever they want, not whatever Daddy Jobs says is OK.

A stock iphone is incapable of absurdly trivial tasks. Apple deliberately cripples their own hardware.
 
2012-09-13 06:49:05 AM  

ZeroCorpse: A 2GB MP3 player for $50 is kind of insulting right now. The Shuffle isn't any better than any other screen-less Mp3 player on the market, and you can get a Sansa Clip with a lot more storage (and an SD slot) for a lower price.


The Nano is farking ridiculously priced. £129, for a 16gb music player, when you can get a Sansa Clip with similar storage for £35. There must be some dumb farking people out there.
 
2012-09-13 11:03:02 AM  

farkeruk: The Nano is farking ridiculously priced. £129, for a 16gb music player, when you can get a Sansa Clip with similar storage for £35


If by "similar" you mean "half", then yes, that's true.
 
2012-09-13 11:11:22 AM  

ThunderPelvis: I just switched from an iphone 4 to a GS3,and they'll have to pull it out of my cold dead hands.

Sorry, no nerd has ever achieved erection after hearing the words "walled garden." People who get excited about new iphones are the same people who get excited about angry birds and facebook. Nerds want the freedom to tinker with whatever they want, not whatever Daddy Jobs says is OK.

A stock iphone is incapable of absurdly trivial tasks. Apple deliberately cripples their own hardware.


See, that's why I never understood the Apple hate. Macs, and by extension, many Apple products, have always been "for the rest of us." They aren't for nerds, tinkerers and people who like to get elbows deep in technology (although you can if you want; there's a terminal CLI and UNIX under the hood). They are purposefully dumbed-down and locked down so "the rest of us" can use them without having to constantly fiddle around with them. And in order to achieve this appliance-like state, there have to be compromises in functionality, because no matter how good Apple engineers are, they can't make everything foolproof all at once (especially when you're making products for "the rest of us"). As they figure out how to make more stuff foolproof, they release software updates that bring new features.

Personally, I consider myself to be on the border between Android and iOS. I'm intrigued by some of the features in Android, but ultimately don't want to mess with my stuff to get it to do the things I need it to do. And I really don't want carriers getting in the way of timely software updates.
 
2012-09-13 11:22:32 AM  

farkeruk: ZeroCorpse: A 2GB MP3 player for $50 is kind of insulting right now. The Shuffle isn't any better than any other screen-less Mp3 player on the market, and you can get a Sansa Clip with a lot more storage (and an SD slot) for a lower price.

The Nano is farking ridiculously priced. £129, for a 16gb music player, when you can get a Sansa Clip with similar storage for £35. There must be some dumb farking people out there people out there who really like to exercise.


Fixed for people who don't see the value of video playback, Nike+ integration and Bluetooth.
 
2012-09-13 12:12:14 PM  

farkeruk: The Nano is farking ridiculously priced. £129, for a 16gb music player, when you can get a Sansa Clip with similar storage for £35.


sure. it also doesn't have a color touch screen, bluetooth, nike+ integration, or any of the other stuff the nano has. but you keep tilting at that windmill.
 
2012-09-13 03:46:14 PM  

farkeruk: ZeroCorpse: A 2GB MP3 player for $50 is kind of insulting right now. The Shuffle isn't any better than any other screen-less Mp3 player on the market, and you can get a Sansa Clip with a lot more storage (and an SD slot) for a lower price.

The Nano is farking ridiculously priced. £129, for a 16gb music player, when you can get a Sansa Clip with similar storage for £35. There must be some dumb farking people out there.


I am inclined to agree but for one thing. The bands and apps used to convert an ipod nano into a multifunction smart wristwatch look stunning. I do want.

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2012-09-13 08:20:25 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: ThunderPelvis: I just switched from an iphone 4 to a GS3,and they'll have to pull it out of my cold dead hands.

Sorry, no nerd has ever achieved erection after hearing the words "walled garden." People who get excited about new iphones are the same people who get excited about angry birds and facebook. Nerds want the freedom to tinker with whatever they want, not whatever Daddy Jobs says is OK.

A stock iphone is incapable of absurdly trivial tasks. Apple deliberately cripples their own hardware.

See, that's why I never understood the Apple hate. Macs, and by extension, many Apple products, have always been "for the rest of us." They aren't for nerds, tinkerers and people who like to get elbows deep in technology (although you can if you want; there's a terminal CLI and UNIX under the hood). They are purposefully dumbed-down and locked down so "the rest of us" can use them without having to constantly fiddle around with them. And in order to achieve this appliance-like state, there have to be compromises in functionality, because no matter how good Apple engineers are, they can't make everything foolproof all at once (especially when you're making products for "the rest of us"). As they figure out how to make more stuff foolproof, they release software updates that bring new features.

Personally, I consider myself to be on the border between Android and iOS. I'm intrigued by some of the features in Android, but ultimately don't want to mess with my stuff to get it to do the things I need it to do. And I really don't want carriers getting in the way of timely software updates.


After a couple of weeks on a decent android phone, I don't see how any self-respecting nerd could go back to Apple. Android is vastly more flexible and powerful than iOS, but only because Apple has crippled and locked down their tech.

I'll give Apple a slight edge on apps, but not nearly enough to justify using iProducts. Really, it just comes down to whether or not you prefer a saran-wrapped computing environment to an open one.
 
2012-09-14 02:47:00 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: The whole concept of "the department of NO" has nothing to do with who has to support what or what the consequences are. It stems from the belief that IT should do more than just keep things the way they are. That they should do more than just keep things running. They should be looking for ways to use technology to solve business problems. That requires having an open mind, not just looking for ways that an initiative can fail.


So how do you know they didn't? Or aren't currently? Because they didn't approve an iPhone?
 
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