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(ABC)   No matter, how traumatized, scared, or alone you felt watching the events on 9/11, Astronaut Frank Culberson has you beat: He saw the twin towers get attacked from the window of the International Space Station   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 141
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2012-09-12 04:45:48 PM  
I was being loaded into a police van, I was pretty, pretty, pretty, lonely.
 
2012-09-12 04:49:49 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.

I'll get over it when other countries and our enemies get over it. From the attacks on the Embassies, it is obvious that that hatred and contempt still exists. We shouldn't "get over" something that is still occurring.


We could get out of countries that feel such hate and contempt for us, after all.
 
2012-09-12 04:50:05 PM  

highendmighty: "Every Muslim the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate towards Americans, Jews and Christians, this is part of our ideology. Ever since I can recall, I felt at war with the Americans and had feelings of animosity and hate towards them," said bin Laden in an interview with al-Jazeera Arab television in 1998. -- the guy hated out of bigotry!

His hatred toward the U.S. was solidified when American troops, instead of his Arab brothers, confronted Saddam Hussein during the 1990 Kuwait invasion. To bin Laden this was "a violation of the sanctity of Muslim territory." -- like he was going to do anything about it. Kuwait was the red-headed step-child of the Middle East.

The guy was a radical who was offended by the presence of the US in the middle east, even though we funded his rebellion against the USSR, and compensated well (and continue to do so) the middle east for our continued presence. bin Laden would have been in no position to become the man he was without the USA.

You see, the governments who accept our presence over there do so out of the love of money and, to a lesser degree, a desire for freindly relations. The fact that we are there at all is due to pacts we have made between the governments of ...


or so you've been told.
 
2012-09-12 04:51:52 PM  

Novart: Casey Anthony: highendmighty: Casey Anthony: tower of pisa: Hey subby don't listen to all the farkingly farkish comments! Thanks for sharing. The article is interesting and thought-provoking and the photo with it is WAY cool.
And 9/11/2012 was definitely another bad day for US/mid-east relations. RIP

while mid-east relations with the rest of the world are a-ok. strange that.

Is that what you youngsters are calling a troll? Maybe it's just sarcasm. Not sure.
notsureifserious.jpg? Counfounding.

ok, some other countries are also involved, but they didn't retaliate against the US on 9/11 just for shiats and giggles. They didn't just pick our country's name out of a hat. They wanted to give us a glimpse of what they have suffered at the hands of the US.

Yea, the victims of 9/11 had it coming.


now we know how it feels.
 
2012-09-12 04:52:28 PM  

Gyrfalcon: We could get out of countries that feel such hate and contempt for us, after all.


Those assholes are the best reason on earth to get away from oil. Can you imagine what the Middle East would be like if they hadn't accidentally wandered onto their huge oil reserves?

Me either, because no one would give a sh*t.
 
2012-09-12 04:54:45 PM  

Gyrfalcon [TotalFark]

the money is in the banana stand: lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.

I'll get over it when other countries and our enemies get over it. From the attacks on the Embassies, it is obvious that that hatred and contempt still exists. We shouldn't "get over" something that is still occurring.

We could get out of countries that feel such hate and contempt for us, after all.


and leave the Israelis to clean up their own messes? I think not.
 
2012-09-12 04:57:00 PM  
He grabbed his camera and snapped.

Five minutes later, when he came back to his senses, Frank found that Ivan was missing several fingers, and Boris had what appeared to be a a Nikon zoom lens shoved halfway into his rectum...
 
2012-09-12 04:58:35 PM  

Casey Anthony: or so you've been told.


Or so I've been told?!?
by bin Laden's direct quotes as reported by al-jazeera?

What part of our pre-war presence was not accepted by the legitimate governments of the countries in which we built our interests? We didn't covertly airdrop Exxon into Saudi Arabia or set up airbases without consent of the ruling governments. The US pays these countries for their oil, lease their land for our bases, and employ their people for services. If legitimate governemnts did not want us there, they would not allow us there.
 
2012-09-12 05:01:06 PM  

Casey Anthony: now we know how it feels.


Your Jungian guilt is showing. And your NYU polisci 101 professor applauds.
 
2012-09-12 05:01:36 PM  

highendmighty: Casey Anthony: or so you've been told.

Or so I've been told?!?
by bin Laden's direct quotes as reported by al-jazeera?

What part of our pre-war presence was not accepted by the legitimate governments of the countries in which we built our interests? We didn't covertly airdrop Exxon into Saudi Arabia or set up airbases without consent of the ruling governments. The US pays these countries for their oil, lease their land for our bases, and employ their people for services. If legitimate governemnts did not want us there, they would not allow us there.


You are the marlin to his Santiago.
 
2012-09-12 05:05:33 PM  

The Muthaship: highendmighty: Casey Anthony: or so you've been told.

Or so I've been told?!?
by bin Laden's direct quotes as reported by al-jazeera?

What part of our pre-war presence was not accepted by the legitimate governments of the countries in which we built our interests? We didn't covertly airdrop Exxon into Saudi Arabia or set up airbases without consent of the ruling governments. The US pays these countries for their oil, lease their land for our bases, and employ their people for services. If legitimate governemnts did not want us there, they would not allow us there.

You are the marlin to his Santiago.


And the sharks keep coming...
 
2012-09-12 05:14:01 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: So the international space station just happened to be directly above it when the planes hit?

I know some people who are going to have a field day with that.


How? there were no lasers attached to the sides of the ISS. Movies lie :(

/we don't have cool kill lasers in space for precision attacks
//buildings exploding are not cool when people are inside
 
2012-09-12 05:19:03 PM  

Amusement: [s18.postimage.org image 460x345]


Simon Cowell's an Englishman. They've got examples of grief porn from before
the US was a gleam in some conquistador's eye.

/still not as old as middle east grief porn
//feeling sad about 9/11 is not grief porn
///using it for political gain is
 
2012-09-12 05:24:13 PM  

highendmighty: Casey Anthony: or so you've been told.

Or so I've been told?!?
by bin Laden's direct quotes as reported by al-jazeera?

What part of our pre-war presence was not accepted by the legitimate governments of the countries in which we built our interests? We didn't covertly airdrop Exxon into Saudi Arabia or set up airbases without consent of the ruling governments. The US pays these countries for their oil, lease their land for our bases, and employ their people for services. If legitimate governemnts did not want us there, they would not allow us there.


You speak only of the governments, but it's the people of these countries who have suffered under these legitimate governments with our aid and consent. but yeah, yeah, since I have a different perspective, you're just a fish.
 
2012-09-12 05:27:03 PM  
I had to drive about an hour home that day and was pissed because the was no music on any of the radio stations.
 
2012-09-12 05:28:11 PM  
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2012-09-12 05:29:32 PM  

Casey Anthony: highendmighty: Casey Anthony: or so you've been told.

Or so I've been told?!?
by bin Laden's direct quotes as reported by al-jazeera?

What part of our pre-war presence was not accepted by the legitimate governments of the countries in which we built our interests? We didn't covertly airdrop Exxon into Saudi Arabia or set up airbases without consent of the ruling governments. The US pays these countries for their oil, lease their land for our bases, and employ their people for services. If legitimate governemnts did not want us there, they would not allow us there.

You speak only of the governments, but it's the people of these countries who have suffered under these legitimate governments with our aid and consent. but yeah, yeah, since I have a different perspective, you're just a fish.


And when the people of these governments rise up for freedom and change, the US did nothing?
Most recently, this freaking year in fact, we aidedthe people in the overthrow of the standing governments of Libya and Egypt in support of the people. You are just bait?
 
2012-09-12 05:32:09 PM  

The Muthaship: Gyrfalcon: We could get out of countries that feel such hate and contempt for us, after all.

Those assholes are the best reason on earth to get away from oil. Can you imagine what the Middle East would be like if they hadn't accidentally wandered onto their huge oil reserves?

Me either, because no one would give a sh*t.


The place that used to be "Arabia" was known as the Rub al'Qali, the "Empty Quarter" because even the Bedouins didn't want to go there. Let's go back to those halcyon days.
 
2012-09-12 05:35:11 PM  
every last one of you suck

including me

I hope Domo Kuns plague your dreams
 
2012-09-12 05:36:11 PM  
No, Gyrfalcon does not suck
 
2012-09-12 05:40:05 PM  

highendmighty: Casey Anthony: highendmighty: Casey Anthony: or so you've been told.

Or so I've been told?!?
by bin Laden's direct quotes as reported by al-jazeera?

What part of our pre-war presence was not accepted by the legitimate governments of the countries in which we built our interests? We didn't covertly airdrop Exxon into Saudi Arabia or set up airbases without consent of the ruling governments. The US pays these countries for their oil, lease their land for our bases, and employ their people for services. If legitimate governemnts did not want us there, they would not allow us there.

You speak only of the governments, but it's the people of these countries who have suffered under these legitimate governments with our aid and consent. but yeah, yeah, since I have a different perspective, you're just a fish.

And when the people of these governments rise up for freedom and change, the US did nothing?
Most recently, this freaking year in fact, we aidedthe people in the overthrow of the standing governments of Libya and Egypt in support of the people. You are just bait?


We were lucky Obama was President. OBAMA 2012 biatches! And another Nobel Peace Prize to boot.
 
2012-09-12 05:41:54 PM  

Casey Anthony: We were lucky Obama was President. OBAMA 2012 biatches! And another Nobel Peace Prize to boot.


Do you ever have soreness in your neck and jaw area?
 
2012-09-12 05:57:00 PM  

Casey Anthony: We were lucky Obama was President. OBAMA 2012 biatches! And another Nobel Peace Prize to boot.


Your reluctant hero Che bin Laden would differ with your perspective.
 
2012-09-12 06:00:43 PM  

The Muthaship: cmb53208: Do we as a nation stop and remember Oklahoma City? Or Pearl Harbor? Nope.

Pearl Harbor gets honored quite often. Not every year, as so much time has passed, but still often. I bet OKC gets honored locally, though I'm not sure. I think the U.S. as a whole is a little embarrassed that that attack came from within.

Where I live, nothing stopped yesterday. I'm sure people thought about and either cared deeply, didn't care much or actively mocked people who cared, as is their choice.


HEH - no, we don't like to talk about OKC. It's hard to adopt the proper air of self-righteous tribal butthurt when it's US, and not THEM.
 
2012-09-12 06:21:21 PM  

jso2897: The Muthaship: cmb53208: Do we as a nation stop and remember Oklahoma City? Or Pearl Harbor? Nope.

Pearl Harbor gets honored quite often. Not every year, as so much time has passed, but still often. I bet OKC gets honored locally, though I'm not sure. I think the U.S. as a whole is a little embarrassed that that attack came from within.

Where I live, nothing stopped yesterday. I'm sure people thought about and either cared deeply, didn't care much or actively mocked people who cared, as is their choice.

HEH - no, we don't like to talk about OKC. It's hard to adopt the proper air of self-righteous tribal butthurt when it's US, and not THEM.


It seems reasonable to me that such a smaller event would receive less coverage - and we didn't exactly shy away from actively fighting and prosecuting related groups as well as those responsible. How did you come to the conclusion that it is "tribal butthurt"?
 
2012-09-12 06:21:56 PM  
Subby, does not, know how, to properly, use commas.
 
2012-09-12 06:22:45 PM  

Pocket Ninja: grief por


Did nots ee those, but saw this.
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-12 06:29:48 PM  

Kittypie070: No, Gyrfalcon does not suck


I hope not! I throw plenty of salmons your way!

[toss]

I'm out of brandy today, sorry.
 
2012-09-12 06:55:25 PM  

Gyrfalcon: the money is in the banana stand: lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.

I'll get over it when other countries and our enemies get over it. From the attacks on the Embassies, it is obvious that that hatred and contempt still exists. We shouldn't "get over" something that is still occurring.

We could get out of countries that feel such hate and contempt for us, after all.


What happens when these countries start to acquire nuclear weapon capabilities and their radical and violent ways spillover? What happens when "radical" becomes mainstream and part of a government? What happens when you have a massive population whose primary objective is to destroy anyone or thing that conflicts with their ideas? Sorry, the United States is not like this before someone tries that troll line. If we are talking about some isolated tribe I would agree with you, but because of globalization, the potential outcome to this is utter destruction. You don't kill someone because they disagree with you or insulted you or your belief system. The problem are the monkeys that believe this sort of violence is an appropriate response or solution, not that we are in these countries. I guess you would then be ok if I wanted to go around dragging foreigners through the streets because golly, I don't like them so they just shouldn't be here!
 
2012-09-12 07:00:25 PM  
Oh I think being IN one of the towers might have been a teensy bit worse.
 
2012-09-12 07:18:56 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Gyrfalcon: the money is in the banana stand: lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.

I'll get over it when other countries and our enemies get over it. From the attacks on the Embassies, it is obvious that that hatred and contempt still exists. We shouldn't "get over" something that is still occurring.

We could get out of countries that feel such hate and contempt for us, after all.

What happens when these countries start to acquire nuclear weapon capabilities and their radical and violent ways spillover? What happens when "radical" becomes mainstream and part of a government? What happens when you have a massive population whose primary objective is to destroy anyone or thing that conflicts with their ideas? Sorry, the United States is not like this before someone tries that troll line. If we are talking about some isolated tribe I would agree with you, but because of globalization, the potential outcome to this is utter destruction. You don't kill someone because they disagree with you or insulted you or your belief system. The problem are the monkeys that believe this sort of violence is an appropriate response or solution, not that we are in these countries. I guess you would then be ok if I wanted to go around dragging foreigners through the streets because golly, I don't like them so they just shouldn't be here!


We could, I guess, take a better look at countries before we invade them because we don't like their leaders; we could look at the experience of other superpowers before occupying a country for ten years; we could stop using a foreign policy of COMMIES BAD! NON-COMMIES GOOD! (or the more recent equivalent ISLAM BAD! NON-ISLAM GOOD!) when we decide which nations to sanction and which to support--in other words, we could consider that our actions have repercussions and we are still paying for mistakes made 60 years ago BEFORE we go running in to condemn places like Iran for their extremist stance and to rummage around in sub-Saharan Africa because we think they're doing bad things.

I know that is difficult to accept, but other countries have indicated in no uncertain terms they don't like other nations telling them what to do and how to run things. It's time America acknowledged that our policies have had a bad impact on the people of other countries and, I don't know, maybe asking them if they'd like our help instead of assuming they all want to be Iowa?
 
2012-09-12 07:20:35 PM  

lilplatinum: the money is in the banana stand:
So your response to the attack of 9/11 would have to been what, shrug it off?

Find those responsible without starting several trillion dollars of useless wars, various constitutional violations, cowering while rent-a-cops at the airport do full body cavity searches, and 11 years of self flagellation and political lip service..


This.

While the events of 9/11 were tragic and terrible, the knee-jerk political reaction has been absolutely sickening.

Pretty much everyone could figure out by the time the second plane hit that we were under attack. As much as that sucks, you need to pull things together, find out the people responsible and *stop* them (usually permanently.) Then you see if there was any reasonable way of preventing the attack (keyword: reasonable) make any necessary changes and go on with your lives.

This constant stream of wallowing in fear and PTSD all year....and * celebrating * the process every year on 9//11. What the fark?

Yes, if you were in the middle of it, or lost loved ones, that totally makes sense, and you have my sincere sympathies.

For the vast majority of the nation who merely saw it on tv though, you're just being bizarre.
 
2012-09-12 07:20:43 PM  
This astronaut actually saw planes fly into the WTC from the ISS??? That's amazing!

(checks article)

Okay, CSB and great pic, but he didn't actually see anything but smoke, after the fact.
 
2012-09-12 07:38:00 PM  

Gyrfalcon: the money is in the banana stand: Gyrfalcon: the money is in the banana stand: lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.

I'll get over it when other countries and our enemies get over it. From the attacks on the Embassies, it is obvious that that hatred and contempt still exists. We shouldn't "get over" something that is still occurring.

We could get out of countries that feel such hate and contempt for us, after all.

What happens when these countries start to acquire nuclear weapon capabilities and their radical and violent ways spillover? What happens when "radical" becomes mainstream and part of a government? What happens when you have a massive population whose primary objective is to destroy anyone or thing that conflicts with their ideas? Sorry, the United States is not like this before someone tries that troll line. If we are talking about some isolated tribe I would agree with you, but because of globalization, the potential outcome to this is utter destruction. You don't kill someone because they disagree with you or insulted you or your belief system. The problem are the monkeys that believe this sort of violence is an appropriate response or solution, not that we are in these countries. I guess you would then be ok if I wanted to go around dragging foreigners through the streets because golly, I don't like them so they just shouldn't be here!

We could, I guess, take a better look at countries before we invade them because we don't like their leaders; we could look at the experience of other superpowers before occupying a country for ten years; we could stop using a foreign policy of COMMIES BAD! NON-COMMIES GOOD! (or the more recent equivalent ISLAM BAD! NON-ISLAM GOOD!) when we decide which nations to sanction and which to support--in other words, we could consider that our actions have repercussions and we are still paying for mistakes made 60 years ago BEFORE we go running in to condemn places like Iran for their extremist stance and to rummag ...


Granted I started the slippery slope argument, but you answered back with a hyperbole. There is a big difference between "commies bad, no commies good" and actively killing and terrorizing the "commies" or Muslims. We can and SHOULD condemn countries with extremist stances that violate basic human rights. We shouldn't sit back idly and go "oh yeah keep on with your genocide because that is your belief system and it is in your country!"
 
2012-09-12 08:16:56 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Granted I started the slippery slope argument, but you answered back with a hyperbole. There is a big difference between "commies bad, no commies good" and actively killing and terrorizing the "commies" or Muslims. We can and SHOULD condemn countries with extremist stances that violate basic human rights. We shouldn't sit back idly and go "oh yeah keep on with your genocide because that is your belief system and it is in your country!"


Well, to scale back on both the hyperbole and slope-slippage, we're both right. We should of course condemn extremist nations that violate human rights; and we shouldn't sit back and fold our hands while it goes on.

That said, our foreign relations is a sad mess. Part of the problem, and a reason America has such a poor reputation in that part of the world, is our constant meddling and ham-handed attempts to fix what ain't broke, while placing blame on the people whose problems we helped create. You can go too far back, of course--like I always point out that Churchill was the one who gave us Iraq in the first place--which is true but irrelevant--but you can also go wrong by looking only at the immediate situation and rushing in to fix something without understanding WHY it is broken.

Case in point: The violence in Rwanda and Burundi is terrible, one of the worst genocides in modern history. And yet to rush in to fix them without realizing the centuries of hate between Hutu and Tutsi is fruitless--there is a lot more going on than our perception that one side is being mean to the other side. They're not going to play nice just because some outsiders tell them to. So sure, SOMETHING should be done, but just telling them to stop killing each other won't work. And yet that's been the best American policy has had to offer, or the polar opposite, sending in our soldiers to enforce a "peace" that never existed and will stop existing the moment we leave.

Both are short-term solutions; the harder, longer term solution is to accept that people will die while we try to create a solution everyone can live with for the long term. In the case of Rwanda and Burundi, for instance, it might mean allowing them to repartition the countries, move all the Tutsi to one side and the Hutu to another, and then assisting with the creations of governments in both nations. That will take lots of time and there will be lots of atrocities during the transition...and that's what drives our policy right now. We want to fix everything all at once, now and forever, amen. And life isn't like that.
 
2012-09-12 08:36:35 PM  

MythDragon: A few minutes later, a plane hit the ISS


There are actually some people who can say what that's like. Progress supply ship hits Mir space station
 
2012-09-12 09:28:36 PM  
9/11? Something happened yesterday that I am not aware of?
 
2012-09-13 01:49:02 AM  
[HOMPFs the delishus salmon gratefully]
 
2012-09-13 04:00:49 AM  

The Muthaship: Is this a thing now? People are too cool to honor the victims of the only real attack on American soil of its kind? Or at least STFU while people who want to do so? Looking down on the ones who do take a moment to remember is just a bonus I presume....


Now? No, it's been a thing since like, forever... people move on... we're not still taking a moment of silence for the fall of the Mayan empire or anything...
 
2012-09-13 09:17:09 AM  
Don't really see how this is even remotely true.
 
2012-09-14 02:57:01 AM  

MacWizard: This astronaut actually saw planes fly into the WTC from the ISS??? That's amazing!

(checks article)

Okay, CSB and great pic, but he didn't actually see anything but smoke, after the fact.


***

I was thinking the same thing. I saw the second (remotely controlled) plane hit the tower LIVE on the news, so this astronaut can go suck a diiiiick.
 
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