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(ABC News)   No matter, how traumatized, scared, or alone you felt watching the events on 9/11, Astronaut Frank Culberson has you beat: He saw the twin towers get attacked from the window of the International Space Station   (abcnews.go.com ) divider line
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2012-09-12 03:11:33 PM  

The Muthaship: Is this a thing now? People are too cool to honor the victims of the only real attack on American soil of its kind? Or at least STFU while people who want to do so? Looking down on the ones who do take a moment to remember is just a bonus I presume....


Do you still participate in rending of garmets and gnashing of teeth for Pearl Harbor too?
 
2012-09-12 03:11:57 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: So the international space station just happened to be directly above it when the planes hit?

I know some people who are going to have a field day with that.


The article said that the ISS passed over NY shortly after the attacks. Of course, the ISS only takes about 90 minutes to make a complete orbit, so he would have seen the smoke and aftermath fairly soon, no matter where in its orbit the ISS was when the planes actually hit.
 
2012-09-12 03:12:13 PM  

lilplatinum: Elroydb: lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.

The Iranians haven't gotten over our kicking out their duly elected president and replacing him with the Shah
The Russians still haven't gotten over our military intervention to stop their communist revolution back in the late 1900s

Hell it took Britain a good 150 years to get over our revolution against them

Do they shame each other into moments of silence and self flaggelation to this day?

If so, then perhaps we should not emulate them.


No, they just do everything possible to passively-aggressively increase their sphere of influence and/or curb anything the US wants to do regardless what it is. I'd rather they'd have an emotional catharsis over the issue than say storming our embassies to erect politically-significant flags or use rockets to kill American ambassadors
 
2012-09-12 03:13:37 PM  

BigNumber12: lilplatinum: the money is in the banana stand:
So your response to the attack of 9/11 would have to been what, shrug it off?

Find those responsible without starting several trillion dollars of useless wars


Those responsible were being sheltered by a national government, who told us to pound sand when we asked them for assistance. Should we have sent our senior-most government officials to go kowtow before those stone-age zealots and beg their favors?


It would be hard since our senior most government officials are usually busy kow-towing to Israel, but no - we probably should have done surgical strikes and small scale assaults to find the people responsible - like we ended up doing rather than spending shiat-tons of money removing a group of people we were responsible for being in power in the first place and then parlaying that into a completely separate war that wasn't even tangentially related to the issue.
 
2012-09-12 03:14:01 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Imagine being on the ISS and a zombie apocalypse breaks out on Earth.


LOLWUT.

Link
 
2012-09-12 03:15:30 PM  

Elroydb: lilplatinum: Elroydb: lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.

The Iranians haven't gotten over our kicking out their duly elected president and replacing him with the Shah
The Russians still haven't gotten over our military intervention to stop their communist revolution back in the late 1900s

Hell it took Britain a good 150 years to get over our revolution against them

Do they shame each other into moments of silence and self flaggelation to this day?

If so, then perhaps we should not emulate them.

No, they just do everything possible to passively-aggressively increase their sphere of influence and/or curb anything the US wants to do regardless what it is. I'd rather they'd have an emotional catharsis over the issue than say storming our embassies to erect politically-significant flags or use rockets to kill American ambassadors


Not sure that Britain and Russia have done those things and we removed our embassy from Iran when those things happened.

And yeah, who would want to increase their sphere of influence... not like we ever do that.
 
2012-09-12 03:16:18 PM  
"My first thought was that this wasn't a real conversation, that I was still listening to one of my Tom Clancy tapes.

For you youngsters, "tapes" were a form of portable magnetic media on which audio could be stored. Larger forms of these "tapes" could also be used for video.
 
2012-09-12 03:16:22 PM  

lilplatinum: Do you still participate in rending of garmets and gnashing of teeth for Pearl Harbor too?


Not really, although it is definitely a tragedy worthy of it. What I don't do, is f*ck with people who do.

/Having just remembered seeing some of your posts before,
//I do feel pretty foolish for paying any attention at all, though.
 
2012-09-12 03:16:30 PM  

ScottRiqui: The article said that the ISS passed over NY shortly after the attacks.


Yeah, subby misled me.
 
2012-09-12 03:16:42 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: A superhero would have leapt out of the Space Station and with a jet pack on his back streaked down to the plane's windshield before it hit anything, blocked the terrorist/pilot's view and forced him to land in the ocean, but safely.


Michael Bay to the white courtesy phone. Michael Bay to the white     courtesy     phone.
 
2012-09-12 03:17:05 PM  

Maud Dib: Evil Mackerel: Imagine being on the ISS and a zombie apocalypse breaks out on Earth.

LOLWUT.

Link


Thank you, that was fun.
 
2012-09-12 03:17:40 PM  

Kittypie070: [runs around frantically screaming while Domo-Kuns chase me]


www.deviantart.com
Orbital Domokun is watching this thread mentally masteryouknowwhati'mtryingtosay
 
2012-09-12 03:18:58 PM  
This reminds me of an article I read some time ago about how, when the USSR collapsed, the guys up on Mir were basically just left up there for months. I think they even set a records for spaceflight duration during that time.
 
GBB
2012-09-12 03:19:06 PM  

Kittypie070: HEY!! This is not a grief porn dick waving contest!!

*slaps subby*


Perhaps we should. Perhaps we should have a tournament. Call it, "March Sadness".
processedmedia.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-12 03:21:39 PM  

Biness: what if your wife was in one of those planes? pretty sure i'd be more traumatized than he.


My wife? Meh
 
2012-09-12 03:23:35 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: So the international space station just happened to be directly above it when the planes hit?


I recognized Governor Tarkin's foul stench when I was brought on board.
 
2012-09-12 03:24:00 PM  

The Muthaship: lilplatinum: Do you still participate in rending of garmets and gnashing of teeth for Pearl Harbor too?

Not really, although it is definitely a tragedy worthy of it. What I don't do, is f*ck with people who do.

/Having just remembered seeing some of your posts before,
//I do feel pretty foolish for paying any attention at all, though.


Mourn want you want, but at the point when society basically enforces it as a test of patriotism it becomes lamentable. Not to mention the continued use of the dead as political props (and here in NYC often as props to sell shiat)

If you want to mourn anything and weren't related or friends with one of the dead, perhaps it would be better to mourn the state of our constitution, economy, foreign reputation, and political atmosphere - all of which were harmed to various extents because of our pathetic showing of a response to this attack over the past 11 years.  At least there is a slight chance to resuscitate them.
 
2012-09-12 03:28:24 PM  

lilplatinum: no - we probably should have done surgical strikes and small scale assaults to find the people responsible


So, no consequences for a national government proudly sheltering those who slaughtered our civilians within our own borders. Just tiptoe around their country without making too much fuss.


lilplatinum: It would be hard since our senior most government officials are usually busy kow-towing to Israel


Oh, you're one of those. That's illuminating.
 
2012-09-12 03:28:24 PM  
Hey subby don't listen to all the farkingly farkish comments! Thanks for sharing. The article is interesting and thought-provoking and the photo with it is WAY cool.
And 9/11/2012 was definitely another bad day for US/mid-east relations. RIP
 
2012-09-12 03:29:02 PM  

The Muthaship: People are too cool to honor the victims of the only real attack on American soil of its kind? Or at least STFU while people who want to do so?


Yeah, that's what you're seeing. It's not that some people are getting tired of the "I'M GRIEVING! EVERYONE LOOK AT ME, SEE HOW MUCH I'M GRIEVING! STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND WATCH ME GRIEVE!" other folks keep doing, it's that they're too cool for the room.

/Just because I don't make as much noise as you while honoring the victims doesn't mean I'm not honoring them
//And just because you make a bunch of noise, doesn't mean you are honoring them.
 
2012-09-12 03:30:48 PM  

GBB: Perhaps we should. Perhaps we should have a tournament. Call it, "March Sadness".


Okay, that was good...
 
2012-09-12 03:31:38 PM  

BigNumber12: lilplatinum: no - we probably should have done surgical strikes and small scale assaults to find the people responsible

So, no consequences for a national government proudly sheltering those who slaughtered our civilians within our own borders. Just tiptoe around their country without making too much fuss.


Your solution to start multiple trillion dollar wars which foment more resentment in the region and do fark all except make us feel better because our vengence is sated is much more reasonable.


lilplatinum: It would be hard since our senior most government officials are usually busy kow-towing to Israel

Oh, you're one of those. That's illuminating.


People who find it offensive that the largest lobbyist group in the country is one lobbying for the interests of a foreign power? Yes, I am one of those.
 
2012-09-12 03:31:52 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Just because I don't make as much noise as you while honoring the victims doesn't mean I'm not honoring them


I didn't make a sound.

And falsely grieving for some perceived gain in image is sickening.

But, I'd err way to the side of giving a person the benefit of the doubt on that. That's just me.

And the "grief porn" thing is really dicky
 
2012-09-12 03:32:46 PM  
Never forg...Hey a bunny!
 
2012-09-12 03:33:03 PM  
The twin towers were attacked from the window of the International Space Station?

/delicious new conspiracy theory
 
2012-09-12 03:33:58 PM  
Wasn't this the plot of "Lucifer's Hammer"?

/also, if someone could post a pic of some sci-fi artwork called "The Pacifist" (iirc) that would be relevant.
 
2012-09-12 03:35:08 PM  

tower of pisa: Hey subby don't listen to all the farkingly farkish comments! Thanks for sharing. The article is interesting and thought-provoking and the photo with it is WAY cool.
And 9/11/2012 was definitely another bad day for US/mid-east relations. RIP


while mid-east relations with the rest of the world are a-ok. strange that.
 
2012-09-12 03:35:56 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Imagine being on the ISS and a zombie apocalypse breaks out on Earth.


Doesn't it start the zombie apocalypse? Or was that MIR?
 
2012-09-12 03:38:49 PM  

The Muthaship: Is this a thing now? People are too cool to honor the victims of the only real attack on American soil of its kind? Or at least STFU while people who want to do so? Looking down on the ones who do take a moment to remember is just a bonus I presume....


Do we as a nation stop and remember Oklahoma City? Or Pearl Harbor? Nope.
 
2012-09-12 03:40:47 PM  

Casey Anthony: tower of pisa: Hey subby don't listen to all the farkingly farkish comments! Thanks for sharing. The article is interesting and thought-provoking and the photo with it is WAY cool.
And 9/11/2012 was definitely another bad day for US/mid-east relations. RIP

while mid-east relations with the rest of the world are a-ok. strange that.


Is that what you youngsters are calling a troll? Maybe it's just sarcasm. Not sure.
notsureifserious.jpg? Counfounding.
 
2012-09-12 03:42:04 PM  

Kittypie070: HEY!! This is not a grief porn dick waving contest!!

*slaps subby*


Oh please.

When 9/11 happened, I was babysitting a group of orphaned, impoverished, autistic kids with Down's syndrome and leukemia for the March of Dimes. While I was trying to explain to the poor children what they were watching on TV and the horrors of reality they will never face as adults, because their precious lives will be cut short by their own bodies eating themselves from the inside, I saw a drunk driver pass by our home and hit the three-legged puppy that I had rescued from the shelter and mortally wound him.

The South Tower came down as I cradled Lucky's crushed, bloodied head, whispering to him "you sleep now, little fella'. It'll all be okay, you're going to a better place" as the children watched.
 
2012-09-12 03:42:25 PM  

cmb53208: The Muthaship: Is this a thing now? People are too cool to honor the victims of the only real attack on American soil of its kind? Or at least STFU while people who want to do so? Looking down on the ones who do take a moment to remember is just a bonus I presume....

Do we as a nation stop and remember Oklahoma City? Or Pearl Harbor? Nope.


Erm, yeah, we do. Every December 7th.

Of course, 9/11 was actually bigger than Pearl Harbor: More people died, and it was an attack directed specifically at innocent civilians, not at a purely military target. That makes it even more heinous.
 
2012-09-12 03:43:17 PM  

No matter, how traumatized, scared, or alone you felt watching the events on 9/11


...shut your cry-hole and grieve privately.
 
2012-09-12 03:43:38 PM  

cmb53208: Do we as a nation stop and remember Oklahoma City? Or Pearl Harbor? Nope.


Pearl Harbor gets honored quite often. Not every year, as so much time has passed, but still often. I bet OKC gets honored locally, though I'm not sure. I think the U.S. as a whole is a little embarrassed that that attack came from within.

Where I live, nothing stopped yesterday. I'm sure people thought about and either cared deeply, didn't care much or actively mocked people who cared, as is their choice.
 
2012-09-12 03:44:01 PM  
Not Impressed:
www.apedonkey.com
 
2012-09-12 03:46:07 PM  
Never understood how these kinds of events instilled such strong feelings. Death and destruction are naturally occurring events, and this by far was not one of the most impressive man-made events. I'm much more moved by watching atomic bomb demonstrations, knowing their potential, than watching a few thousand people burn to death.
 
2012-09-12 03:50:31 PM  

CAADbury: Not Impressed:
[www.apedonkey.com image 300x300]


I searched forever for a picture of him at that 9/11 support group where it turned out no one in the group was there or even knew anyone at ground zero that day. It would have gone so well with my post.
 
2012-09-12 03:54:05 PM  

The Muthaship: cmb53208: Do we as a nation stop and remember Oklahoma City? Or Pearl Harbor? Nope.

Pearl Harbor gets honored quite often. Not every year, as so much time has passed, but still often. I bet OKC gets honored locally, though I'm not sure. I think the U.S. as a whole is a little embarrassed that that attack came from within.

Where I live, nothing stopped yesterday. I'm sure people thought about and either cared deeply, didn't care much or actively mocked people who cared, as is their choice.


They still have ceremonies every year in OKC. I dont want to say its become a celebration of life because that would be a bit much, but it is more of a genuine memorial thing at this point. Not a lot of mourning. The yearly memorial marathon is probably the high point. I personally don't do much because it reminds me of what was probably the saddest day of my fathers life, he was in the building and got darned lucky and came out with barely a scratch, but a lot of his friends were not as fortunate.
 
2012-09-12 03:54:09 PM  

Ruiizu: Never understood how these kinds of events instilled such strong feelings. Death and destruction are naturally occurring events, and this by far was not one of the most impressive man-made events. I'm much more moved by watching atomic bomb demonstrations, knowing their potential, than watching a few thousand people burn to death.


Well, we didn't have the internet and the ISS for Pearl Harbor, the London Blitz, Dresden, Hiroshima, the fall of Saigon, but those and other events caused shock, fear and anger, and knee jerk reactions nonetheless.

Horror and surprise can cause an effect that cannot often be predicted.
 
2012-09-12 03:54:32 PM  

The Muthaship: Pearl Harbor gets honored quite often. Not every year, as so much time has passed, but still often. I bet OKC gets honored locally, though I'm not sure. I think the U.S. as a whole is a little embarrassed that that attack came from within.


There is also the matter of scale: OKC was an order of magnitude smaller than either Pearl Harbor or 9/11 in terms of casualties.
 
2012-09-12 03:55:18 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: lilplatinum: the money is in the banana stand: lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.

I'll get over it when other countries and our enemies get over it. From the attacks on the Embassies, it is obvious that that hatred and contempt still exists. We shouldn't "get over" something that is still occurring.

Almost as if decades of failed nation building and propping up petty dictators has come back to bite us in the ass.

fark 9/11, its bad enough wading through the throngs of gawking farking tourists on a normal day in the FiDi without the added idiots.

So your response to the attack of 9/11 would have to been what, shrug it off?


Yes.

Jesus would have turned the other cheek, so it probably should have been what a nice Christian nation would have done. Ask them politely to fly another plane into a tall Los Angeles building. Then both cheeks would have been slapped.
 
2012-09-12 03:59:49 PM  

The Muthaship: cmb53208: Do we as a nation stop and remember Oklahoma City? Or Pearl Harbor? Nope.

Pearl Harbor gets honored quite often. Not every year, as so much time has passed, but still often. I bet OKC gets honored locally, though I'm not sure. I think the U.S. as a whole is a little embarrassed that that attack came from within.

Where I live, nothing stopped yesterday. I'm sure people thought about and either cared deeply, didn't care much or actively mocked people who cared, as is their choice.


Mocking people is always a good time.
 
2012-09-12 04:00:15 PM  

highendmighty: Casey Anthony: tower of pisa: Hey subby don't listen to all the farkingly farkish comments! Thanks for sharing. The article is interesting and thought-provoking and the photo with it is WAY cool.
And 9/11/2012 was definitely another bad day for US/mid-east relations. RIP

while mid-east relations with the rest of the world are a-ok. strange that.

Is that what you youngsters are calling a troll? Maybe it's just sarcasm. Not sure.
notsureifserious.jpg? Counfounding.


ok, some other countries are also involved, but they didn't retaliate against the US on 9/11 just for shiats and giggles. They didn't just pick our country's name out of a hat. They wanted to give us a glimpse of what they have suffered at the hands of the US.
 
2012-09-12 04:03:30 PM  

ObscureNameHere: Wasn't this the plot of "Lucifer's Hammer"?

/also, if someone could post a pic of some sci-fi artwork called "The Pacifist" (iirc) that would be relevant.


Lucifers hammer was about a cometstrike (I suspect that Deep Impact was based off of it)
There were astronauts on the ISS when the comet struck, and they crash landed near the senators compound in the mountains of California

/it's been a couple of years since I read it, about time to read it again, but I have so many ebooks from baens free library to read
 
2012-09-12 04:05:03 PM  
kittypie, go spend some time looking at image macros
 
2012-09-12 04:17:39 PM  

Jake Havechek: Ruiizu: Never understood how these kinds of events instilled such strong feelings. Death and destruction are naturally occurring events, and this by far was not one of the most impressive man-made events. I'm much more moved by watching atomic bomb demonstrations, knowing their potential, than watching a few thousand people burn to death.

Well, we didn't have the internet and the ISS for Pearl Harbor, the London Blitz, Dresden, Hiroshima, the fall of Saigon, but those and other events caused shock, fear and anger, and knee jerk reactions nonetheless.

Horror and surprise can cause an effect that cannot often be predicted.


I guess I just feel like people overreact to things. Should we do something if there's a tragedy? Absolutely. Should it be driven by rage and fear? Never.
 
2012-09-12 04:20:36 PM  

The Muthaship: lilplatinum: propping up petty dictators has come back to bite us in the ass.

Helping get rid of them is too, it seems.


sometimes dictators are assholes because there are other assholes in their nation that want to kill them. it's complex world, but some evil dictators are actually good. well good for killing people that want to other people who may look somewhat like you or me.

/it's not like the islamic fundies loved saddam
 
2012-09-12 04:37:04 PM  
There's still folks in this country who havn't gotten over the Civil War.
 
2012-09-12 04:39:57 PM  

Casey Anthony: highendmighty: Casey Anthony: tower of pisa: Hey subby don't listen to all the farkingly farkish comments! Thanks for sharing. The article is interesting and thought-provoking and the photo with it is WAY cool.
And 9/11/2012 was definitely another bad day for US/mid-east relations. RIP

while mid-east relations with the rest of the world are a-ok. strange that.

Is that what you youngsters are calling a troll? Maybe it's just sarcasm. Not sure.
notsureifserious.jpg? Counfounding.

ok, some other countries are also involved, but they didn't retaliate against the US on 9/11 just for shiats and giggles. They didn't just pick our country's name out of a hat. They wanted to give us a glimpse of what they have suffered at the hands of the US.


"Every Muslim the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate towards Americans, Jews and Christians, this is part of our ideology. Ever since I can recall, I felt at war with the Americans and had feelings of animosity and hate towards them," said bin Laden in an interview with al-Jazeera Arab television in 1998. -- the guy hated out of bigotry!

His hatred toward the U.S. was solidified when American troops, instead of his Arab brothers, confronted Saddam Hussein during the 1990 Kuwait invasion. To bin Laden this was "a violation of the sanctity of Muslim territory." -- like he was going to do anything about it. Kuwait was the red-headed step-child of the Middle East.

The guy was a radical who was offended by the presence of the US in the middle east, even though we funded his rebellion against the USSR, and compensated well (and continue to do so) the middle east for our continued presence. bin Laden would have been in no position to become the man he was without the USA.

You see, the governments who accept our presence over there do so out of the love of money and, to a lesser degree, a desire for freindly relations. The fact that we are there at all is due to pacts we have made between the governments of these countries, who ALLOW US presence in their holy land. bin Laden, and all his apologists, were and are misguided, short-sighted fools blinded by fundamentalism and inflexible ideology.
 
2012-09-12 04:41:00 PM  

Casey Anthony: highendmighty: Casey Anthony: tower of pisa: Hey subby don't listen to all the farkingly farkish comments! Thanks for sharing. The article is interesting and thought-provoking and the photo with it is WAY cool.
And 9/11/2012 was definitely another bad day for US/mid-east relations. RIP

while mid-east relations with the rest of the world are a-ok. strange that.

Is that what you youngsters are calling a troll? Maybe it's just sarcasm. Not sure.
notsureifserious.jpg? Counfounding.

ok, some other countries are also involved, but they didn't retaliate against the US on 9/11 just for shiats and giggles. They didn't just pick our country's name out of a hat. They wanted to give us a glimpse of what they have suffered at the hands of the US.


Yea, the victims of 9/11 had it coming.
 
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