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(ABC)   No matter, how traumatized, scared, or alone you felt watching the events on 9/11, Astronaut Frank Culberson has you beat: He saw the twin towers get attacked from the window of the International Space Station   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 141
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2012-09-12 12:47:53 PM
HEY!! This is not a grief porn dick waving contest!!

*slaps subby*
 
2012-09-12 01:14:37 PM

Kittypie070: HEY!! This is not a grief porn dick waving contest!!


You may be interested in knowing that an unmoderated Google search for "grief porn" turns up, among other things, an "eyes of grief" blowjob. a white woman with a black strapon, and Justice Scalia.
 
2012-09-12 01:25:35 PM
Wait!

How could he have seen it from Apollo 13? THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO.

They didn't have Google earth back then either, so don't start.
 
2012-09-12 01:28:01 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHHHHHHH
 
2012-09-12 01:50:57 PM
And by looking slightly to his right, he also had a view of Logan airport. talk about being unlucky!
 
2012-09-12 01:57:58 PM
I know how he feels. I had a view of Kennedy Space Center outside the window of an Orlando airport passenger van when Mitt Romney killed bin Laden.
 
2012-09-12 02:48:33 PM
Its been 11 years.

Get over it.
 
2012-09-12 02:48:46 PM
But did he have a view of Logan airport from his office?
 
2012-09-12 02:49:57 PM
And now thanks to the wars we're fighting because of it, we can't even keep a program running to get astronauts up into space on our own.

Anyone who thinks we're winning the war on terror is wrong.
 
2012-09-12 02:50:03 PM

Flab: And by looking slightly to his right, he also had a view of Logan airport. talk about being unlucky!


Thought for sure this was going to be the Boobies.
 
2012-09-12 02:51:00 PM
[runs around frantically screaming while Domo-Kuns chase me]
 
2012-09-12 02:51:02 PM

Kittypie070: HEY!! This is not a grief porn dick waving contest!!

*slaps subby*


Ummm... yes it is?
 
2012-09-12 02:51:20 PM
Oh he was off the planet at the time?? HOW CONVENIENT.
 
2012-09-12 02:51:57 PM

lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.


I'll get over it when other countries and our enemies get over it. From the attacks on the Embassies, it is obvious that that hatred and contempt still exists. We shouldn't "get over" something that is still occurring.
 
2012-09-12 02:53:05 PM
So the international space station just happened to be directly above it when the planes hit?

I know some people who are going to have a field day with that.
 
2012-09-12 02:53:16 PM
"Culbertson was the only American aboard the International Space Station"

So...the other astronauts on board could've cared less?
 
2012-09-12 02:53:27 PM

the money is in the banana stand: lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.

I'll get over it when other countries and our enemies get over it. From the attacks on the Embassies, it is obvious that that hatred and contempt still exists. We shouldn't "get over" something that is still occurring.


Almost as if decades of failed nation building and propping up petty dictators has come back to bite us in the ass.

fark 9/11, its bad enough wading through the throngs of gawking farking tourists on a normal day in the FiDi without the added idiots.
 
2012-09-12 02:54:02 PM
9/11 in Spaaaaaaace!
 
2012-09-12 02:54:45 PM

ABQGOD: "Culbertson was the only American aboard the International Space Station"

So...the other astronauts on board could've cared less?


Perhaps. But how much less is the question.
 
2012-09-12 02:54:56 PM

the money is in the banana stand: From the attacks on the Embassies, it is obvious that that hatred and contempt still exists.


I wonder why. The US is perfectly cordial with people in that region and just wants to be their friend.
 
2012-09-12 02:55:00 PM

lilplatinum: propping up petty dictators has come back to bite us in the ass.


Helping get rid of them is too, it seems.
 
2012-09-12 02:55:13 PM
what if your wife was in one of those planes? pretty sure i'd be more traumatized than he.
 
2012-09-12 02:55:32 PM
A superhero would have leapt out of the Space Station and with a jet pack on his back streaked down to the plane's windshield before it hit anything, blocked the terrorist/pilot's view and forced him to land in the ocean, but safely.
 
2012-09-12 02:55:34 PM

lilplatinum: the money is in the banana stand: lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.

I'll get over it when other countries and our enemies get over it. From the attacks on the Embassies, it is obvious that that hatred and contempt still exists. We shouldn't "get over" something that is still occurring.

Almost as if decades of failed nation building and propping up petty dictators has come back to bite us in the ass.

fark 9/11, its bad enough wading through the throngs of gawking farking tourists on a normal day in the FiDi without the added idiots.


So your response to the attack of 9/11 would have to been what, shrug it off?
 
2012-09-12 02:56:04 PM
IDK.. Looks kind of peaceful up there.
 
2012-09-12 02:57:11 PM

jigger: the money is in the banana stand: From the attacks on the Embassies, it is obvious that that hatred and contempt still exists.

I wonder why. The US is perfectly cordial with people in that region and just wants to be their friend.


We should be a lot more "cordial" than we are. Why don't you embark on a peace keeping mission over there. Wear an American flag shirt and try to befriend them. Unless you are a troll, you are a terrible person also.
 
2012-09-12 02:57:58 PM
A few minutes later, a plane hit the ISS
i61.photobucket.com
/His last picture
 
2012-09-12 02:58:00 PM
Knowing what I know now, were I in his shoes, I would have opted to just stay up there.
 
2012-09-12 02:58:37 PM

the money is in the banana stand:
So your response to the attack of 9/11 would have to been what, shrug it off?


Find those responsible without starting several trillion dollars of useless wars, various constitutional violations, cowering while rent-a-cops at the airport do full body cavity searches, and 11 years of self flagellation and political lip service..
 
2012-09-12 02:58:52 PM
I'm gonna guess his first thought was "What the fark? Holy shiat, this is bad, this is really bad", but of course you can't print that.
 
2012-09-12 02:59:20 PM
I was being vandalized by a GI doctor that morning for the first "adult" exam of my life. I died a little inside as the second tower fell, just as the second finger was inserted. Moon River, indeed...

/csb (or not)
 
2012-09-12 03:00:18 PM
I saw this guy on the news telling his story about how he was in the tower and fell a few dozen stories when the building went down yet still survived (or something like that I wasn't paying that close of attention). But he finished by saying essentially a big fark you to everyone who was saying it's time to get over it. It's like dude, you were there, you can be traumatized for as long as you want, I support you. But for all the douchebags who weren't actually there on that day yeah, it's time to get over it.
 
2012-09-12 03:00:18 PM
s18.postimage.org
 
2012-09-12 03:01:04 PM
themetapicture.com

"Well, fark."
 
2012-09-12 03:02:52 PM

Elroydb: Oh he was off the planet at the time?? HOW CONVENIENT.


This made me giggle. Thanks.
 
2012-09-12 03:03:07 PM
Imagine being on the ISS and a zombie apocalypse breaks out on Earth.
 
2012-09-12 03:03:09 PM

lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.


The Iranians haven't gotten over our kicking out their duly elected president and replacing him with the Shah
The Russians still haven't gotten over our military intervention to stop their communist revolution back in the late 1900s

Hell it took Britain a good 150 years to get over our revolution against them
 
2012-09-12 03:05:48 PM

jigger: the money is in the banana stand: From the attacks on the Embassies, it is obvious that that hatred and contempt still exists.

I wonder why. The US is perfectly cordial with people in that region and just wants to be their friend.



If only we had forced the Saudis to accept Osama's help instead of our own back in 1991! We'd be so much more popular among jihadis today!
 
2012-09-12 03:05:56 PM

Elroydb: lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.

The Iranians haven't gotten over our kicking out their duly elected president and replacing him with the Shah
The Russians still haven't gotten over our military intervention to stop their communist revolution back in the late 1900s

Hell it took Britain a good 150 years to get over our revolution against them


Do they shame each other into moments of silence and self flaggelation to this day?

If so, then perhaps we should not emulate them.
 
2012-09-12 03:05:59 PM

Kittypie070: HEY!! This is not a grief porn dick waving contest!!

*slaps subby*


Its been 11 years and 1 day of exactly that.
 
2012-09-12 03:06:25 PM

lennavan: I saw this guy on the news telling his story about how he was in the tower and fell a few dozen stories when the building went down yet still survived (or something like that I wasn't paying that close of attention). But he finished by saying essentially a big fark you to everyone who was saying it's time to get over it. It's like dude, you were there, you can be traumatized for as long as you want, I support you. But for all the douchebags who weren't actually there on that day yeah, it's time to get over it.


My uncle was at Pearl Harbor when it was attacked. He said we can ask about the war, but never ask about that day at PH. I assuming he saw a lot of his friends burn and die. So pretty much what you said.
 
2012-09-12 03:07:54 PM
In Space, No One Can Hear You Scream.
 
2012-09-12 03:08:02 PM
NASA
Top Secret
11 Sept 2001

Results of Mock Up Space Plane Reentry Program
This morning, astronauts aboard the ISS released three small test reentry planes from the IIS just as planned. We all observed them entering the atmosphere. It was at this point, the results deviated from the expected.

As soon as the test planes, entered the high altitude envelope, they began to expand. We're guessing that this is from the excessive heat, radiation and water content in upper atmosphere. The change in the weight size caused the vehicles to deviate from their course. Two of the vehicles headed towards New York. The third went towards the Washington DC area.

We all know what happened next. We need someone to blame this on or they'll cut our funding. I suggest aliens, but Brad (the Brad in Landing Gear Design, not the Birthday Party Coordinator Brad) wants to blame Islamofacists whatever that is. And Landing Gear Design Brad seems to be pretty smart. Those 'wheels' seem to work a lot better than High Speed Rotating Series of Fake Legs Wearing Nike Running Shoes idea the Landing Gear Design Frank keeps pitching.

We're going with the Islamofascist. Mr. Bananas, the Space Chimp is calling the President. We know the President will take his call and play along if it comes from Mr. B.
 
2012-09-12 03:08:06 PM

MythDragon: A few minutes later, a plane hit the ISS
[i61.photobucket.com image 799x398]
/His last picture


A second plane has hit the South ISS?
 
2012-09-12 03:08:24 PM
no it's not
 
2012-09-12 03:09:01 PM
Is this a thing now? People are too cool to honor the victims of the only real attack on American soil of its kind? Or at least STFU while people who want to do so? Looking down on the ones who do take a moment to remember is just a bonus I presume....
 
2012-09-12 03:09:02 PM
Apparently PTSD causes improper use of commas too.
 
2012-09-12 03:09:02 PM
Terry Knox would have stayed on the ISS for the whole conflict and even lead the raiding party to the Chinese station
 
2012-09-12 03:10:38 PM

lilplatinum: the money is in the banana stand:
So your response to the attack of 9/11 would have to been what, shrug it off?

Find those responsible without starting several trillion dollars of useless wars



Those responsible were being sheltered by a national government, who told us to pound sand when we asked them for assistance. Should we have sent our senior-most government officials to go kowtow before those stone-age zealots and beg their favors?
 
2012-09-12 03:11:10 PM

J. Frank Parnell: So the international space station just happened to be directly above it when the planes hit?

I know some people who are going to have a field day with that.


Someone had to operate the remote controlled planes
 
2012-09-12 03:11:33 PM

The Muthaship: Is this a thing now? People are too cool to honor the victims of the only real attack on American soil of its kind? Or at least STFU while people who want to do so? Looking down on the ones who do take a moment to remember is just a bonus I presume....


Do you still participate in rending of garmets and gnashing of teeth for Pearl Harbor too?
 
2012-09-12 03:11:57 PM

J. Frank Parnell: So the international space station just happened to be directly above it when the planes hit?

I know some people who are going to have a field day with that.


The article said that the ISS passed over NY shortly after the attacks. Of course, the ISS only takes about 90 minutes to make a complete orbit, so he would have seen the smoke and aftermath fairly soon, no matter where in its orbit the ISS was when the planes actually hit.
 
2012-09-12 03:12:13 PM

lilplatinum: Elroydb: lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.

The Iranians haven't gotten over our kicking out their duly elected president and replacing him with the Shah
The Russians still haven't gotten over our military intervention to stop their communist revolution back in the late 1900s

Hell it took Britain a good 150 years to get over our revolution against them

Do they shame each other into moments of silence and self flaggelation to this day?

If so, then perhaps we should not emulate them.


No, they just do everything possible to passively-aggressively increase their sphere of influence and/or curb anything the US wants to do regardless what it is. I'd rather they'd have an emotional catharsis over the issue than say storming our embassies to erect politically-significant flags or use rockets to kill American ambassadors
 
2012-09-12 03:13:37 PM

BigNumber12: lilplatinum: the money is in the banana stand:
So your response to the attack of 9/11 would have to been what, shrug it off?

Find those responsible without starting several trillion dollars of useless wars


Those responsible were being sheltered by a national government, who told us to pound sand when we asked them for assistance. Should we have sent our senior-most government officials to go kowtow before those stone-age zealots and beg their favors?


It would be hard since our senior most government officials are usually busy kow-towing to Israel, but no - we probably should have done surgical strikes and small scale assaults to find the people responsible - like we ended up doing rather than spending shiat-tons of money removing a group of people we were responsible for being in power in the first place and then parlaying that into a completely separate war that wasn't even tangentially related to the issue.
 
2012-09-12 03:14:01 PM

Evil Mackerel: Imagine being on the ISS and a zombie apocalypse breaks out on Earth.


LOLWUT.

Link
 
2012-09-12 03:15:30 PM

Elroydb: lilplatinum: Elroydb: lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.

The Iranians haven't gotten over our kicking out their duly elected president and replacing him with the Shah
The Russians still haven't gotten over our military intervention to stop their communist revolution back in the late 1900s

Hell it took Britain a good 150 years to get over our revolution against them

Do they shame each other into moments of silence and self flaggelation to this day?

If so, then perhaps we should not emulate them.

No, they just do everything possible to passively-aggressively increase their sphere of influence and/or curb anything the US wants to do regardless what it is. I'd rather they'd have an emotional catharsis over the issue than say storming our embassies to erect politically-significant flags or use rockets to kill American ambassadors


Not sure that Britain and Russia have done those things and we removed our embassy from Iran when those things happened.

And yeah, who would want to increase their sphere of influence... not like we ever do that.
 
2012-09-12 03:16:18 PM
"My first thought was that this wasn't a real conversation, that I was still listening to one of my Tom Clancy tapes.

For you youngsters, "tapes" were a form of portable magnetic media on which audio could be stored. Larger forms of these "tapes" could also be used for video.
 
2012-09-12 03:16:22 PM

lilplatinum: Do you still participate in rending of garmets and gnashing of teeth for Pearl Harbor too?


Not really, although it is definitely a tragedy worthy of it. What I don't do, is f*ck with people who do.

/Having just remembered seeing some of your posts before,
//I do feel pretty foolish for paying any attention at all, though.
 
2012-09-12 03:16:30 PM

ScottRiqui: The article said that the ISS passed over NY shortly after the attacks.


Yeah, subby misled me.
 
2012-09-12 03:16:42 PM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: A superhero would have leapt out of the Space Station and with a jet pack on his back streaked down to the plane's windshield before it hit anything, blocked the terrorist/pilot's view and forced him to land in the ocean, but safely.


Michael Bay to the white courtesy phone. Michael Bay to the white     courtesy     phone.
 
2012-09-12 03:17:05 PM

Maud Dib: Evil Mackerel: Imagine being on the ISS and a zombie apocalypse breaks out on Earth.

LOLWUT.

Link


Thank you, that was fun.
 
2012-09-12 03:17:40 PM

Kittypie070: [runs around frantically screaming while Domo-Kuns chase me]


www.deviantart.com
Orbital Domokun is watching this thread mentally masteryouknowwhati'mtryingtosay
 
2012-09-12 03:18:58 PM
This reminds me of an article I read some time ago about how, when the USSR collapsed, the guys up on Mir were basically just left up there for months. I think they even set a records for spaceflight duration during that time.
 
GBB
2012-09-12 03:19:06 PM

Kittypie070: HEY!! This is not a grief porn dick waving contest!!

*slaps subby*


Perhaps we should. Perhaps we should have a tournament. Call it, "March Sadness".
processedmedia.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-12 03:21:39 PM

Biness: what if your wife was in one of those planes? pretty sure i'd be more traumatized than he.


My wife? Meh
 
2012-09-12 03:23:35 PM

J. Frank Parnell: So the international space station just happened to be directly above it when the planes hit?


I recognized Governor Tarkin's foul stench when I was brought on board.
 
2012-09-12 03:24:00 PM

The Muthaship: lilplatinum: Do you still participate in rending of garmets and gnashing of teeth for Pearl Harbor too?

Not really, although it is definitely a tragedy worthy of it. What I don't do, is f*ck with people who do.

/Having just remembered seeing some of your posts before,
//I do feel pretty foolish for paying any attention at all, though.


Mourn want you want, but at the point when society basically enforces it as a test of patriotism it becomes lamentable. Not to mention the continued use of the dead as political props (and here in NYC often as props to sell shiat)

If you want to mourn anything and weren't related or friends with one of the dead, perhaps it would be better to mourn the state of our constitution, economy, foreign reputation, and political atmosphere - all of which were harmed to various extents because of our pathetic showing of a response to this attack over the past 11 years.  At least there is a slight chance to resuscitate them.
 
2012-09-12 03:28:24 PM

lilplatinum: no - we probably should have done surgical strikes and small scale assaults to find the people responsible


So, no consequences for a national government proudly sheltering those who slaughtered our civilians within our own borders. Just tiptoe around their country without making too much fuss.


lilplatinum: It would be hard since our senior most government officials are usually busy kow-towing to Israel


Oh, you're one of those. That's illuminating.
 
2012-09-12 03:28:24 PM
Hey subby don't listen to all the farkingly farkish comments! Thanks for sharing. The article is interesting and thought-provoking and the photo with it is WAY cool.
And 9/11/2012 was definitely another bad day for US/mid-east relations. RIP
 
2012-09-12 03:29:02 PM

The Muthaship: People are too cool to honor the victims of the only real attack on American soil of its kind? Or at least STFU while people who want to do so?


Yeah, that's what you're seeing. It's not that some people are getting tired of the "I'M GRIEVING! EVERYONE LOOK AT ME, SEE HOW MUCH I'M GRIEVING! STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND WATCH ME GRIEVE!" other folks keep doing, it's that they're too cool for the room.

/Just because I don't make as much noise as you while honoring the victims doesn't mean I'm not honoring them
//And just because you make a bunch of noise, doesn't mean you are honoring them.
 
2012-09-12 03:30:48 PM

GBB: Perhaps we should. Perhaps we should have a tournament. Call it, "March Sadness".


Okay, that was good...
 
2012-09-12 03:31:38 PM

BigNumber12: lilplatinum: no - we probably should have done surgical strikes and small scale assaults to find the people responsible

So, no consequences for a national government proudly sheltering those who slaughtered our civilians within our own borders. Just tiptoe around their country without making too much fuss.


Your solution to start multiple trillion dollar wars which foment more resentment in the region and do fark all except make us feel better because our vengence is sated is much more reasonable.


lilplatinum: It would be hard since our senior most government officials are usually busy kow-towing to Israel

Oh, you're one of those. That's illuminating.


People who find it offensive that the largest lobbyist group in the country is one lobbying for the interests of a foreign power? Yes, I am one of those.
 
2012-09-12 03:31:52 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: Just because I don't make as much noise as you while honoring the victims doesn't mean I'm not honoring them


I didn't make a sound.

And falsely grieving for some perceived gain in image is sickening.

But, I'd err way to the side of giving a person the benefit of the doubt on that. That's just me.

And the "grief porn" thing is really dicky
 
2012-09-12 03:32:46 PM
Never forg...Hey a bunny!
 
2012-09-12 03:33:03 PM
The twin towers were attacked from the window of the International Space Station?

/delicious new conspiracy theory
 
2012-09-12 03:33:58 PM
Wasn't this the plot of "Lucifer's Hammer"?

/also, if someone could post a pic of some sci-fi artwork called "The Pacifist" (iirc) that would be relevant.
 
2012-09-12 03:35:08 PM

tower of pisa: Hey subby don't listen to all the farkingly farkish comments! Thanks for sharing. The article is interesting and thought-provoking and the photo with it is WAY cool.
And 9/11/2012 was definitely another bad day for US/mid-east relations. RIP


while mid-east relations with the rest of the world are a-ok. strange that.
 
2012-09-12 03:35:56 PM

Evil Mackerel: Imagine being on the ISS and a zombie apocalypse breaks out on Earth.


Doesn't it start the zombie apocalypse? Or was that MIR?
 
2012-09-12 03:38:49 PM

The Muthaship: Is this a thing now? People are too cool to honor the victims of the only real attack on American soil of its kind? Or at least STFU while people who want to do so? Looking down on the ones who do take a moment to remember is just a bonus I presume....


Do we as a nation stop and remember Oklahoma City? Or Pearl Harbor? Nope.
 
2012-09-12 03:40:47 PM

Casey Anthony: tower of pisa: Hey subby don't listen to all the farkingly farkish comments! Thanks for sharing. The article is interesting and thought-provoking and the photo with it is WAY cool.
And 9/11/2012 was definitely another bad day for US/mid-east relations. RIP

while mid-east relations with the rest of the world are a-ok. strange that.


Is that what you youngsters are calling a troll? Maybe it's just sarcasm. Not sure.
notsureifserious.jpg? Counfounding.
 
2012-09-12 03:42:04 PM

Kittypie070: HEY!! This is not a grief porn dick waving contest!!

*slaps subby*


Oh please.

When 9/11 happened, I was babysitting a group of orphaned, impoverished, autistic kids with Down's syndrome and leukemia for the March of Dimes. While I was trying to explain to the poor children what they were watching on TV and the horrors of reality they will never face as adults, because their precious lives will be cut short by their own bodies eating themselves from the inside, I saw a drunk driver pass by our home and hit the three-legged puppy that I had rescued from the shelter and mortally wound him.

The South Tower came down as I cradled Lucky's crushed, bloodied head, whispering to him "you sleep now, little fella'. It'll all be okay, you're going to a better place" as the children watched.
 
2012-09-12 03:42:25 PM

cmb53208: The Muthaship: Is this a thing now? People are too cool to honor the victims of the only real attack on American soil of its kind? Or at least STFU while people who want to do so? Looking down on the ones who do take a moment to remember is just a bonus I presume....

Do we as a nation stop and remember Oklahoma City? Or Pearl Harbor? Nope.


Erm, yeah, we do. Every December 7th.

Of course, 9/11 was actually bigger than Pearl Harbor: More people died, and it was an attack directed specifically at innocent civilians, not at a purely military target. That makes it even more heinous.
 
2012-09-12 03:43:17 PM

No matter, how traumatized, scared, or alone you felt watching the events on 9/11


...shut your cry-hole and grieve privately.
 
2012-09-12 03:43:38 PM

cmb53208: Do we as a nation stop and remember Oklahoma City? Or Pearl Harbor? Nope.


Pearl Harbor gets honored quite often. Not every year, as so much time has passed, but still often. I bet OKC gets honored locally, though I'm not sure. I think the U.S. as a whole is a little embarrassed that that attack came from within.

Where I live, nothing stopped yesterday. I'm sure people thought about and either cared deeply, didn't care much or actively mocked people who cared, as is their choice.
 
2012-09-12 03:44:01 PM
Not Impressed:
www.apedonkey.com
 
2012-09-12 03:46:07 PM
Never understood how these kinds of events instilled such strong feelings. Death and destruction are naturally occurring events, and this by far was not one of the most impressive man-made events. I'm much more moved by watching atomic bomb demonstrations, knowing their potential, than watching a few thousand people burn to death.
 
2012-09-12 03:50:31 PM

CAADbury: Not Impressed:
[www.apedonkey.com image 300x300]


I searched forever for a picture of him at that 9/11 support group where it turned out no one in the group was there or even knew anyone at ground zero that day. It would have gone so well with my post.
 
2012-09-12 03:54:05 PM

The Muthaship: cmb53208: Do we as a nation stop and remember Oklahoma City? Or Pearl Harbor? Nope.

Pearl Harbor gets honored quite often. Not every year, as so much time has passed, but still often. I bet OKC gets honored locally, though I'm not sure. I think the U.S. as a whole is a little embarrassed that that attack came from within.

Where I live, nothing stopped yesterday. I'm sure people thought about and either cared deeply, didn't care much or actively mocked people who cared, as is their choice.


They still have ceremonies every year in OKC. I dont want to say its become a celebration of life because that would be a bit much, but it is more of a genuine memorial thing at this point. Not a lot of mourning. The yearly memorial marathon is probably the high point. I personally don't do much because it reminds me of what was probably the saddest day of my fathers life, he was in the building and got darned lucky and came out with barely a scratch, but a lot of his friends were not as fortunate.
 
2012-09-12 03:54:09 PM

Ruiizu: Never understood how these kinds of events instilled such strong feelings. Death and destruction are naturally occurring events, and this by far was not one of the most impressive man-made events. I'm much more moved by watching atomic bomb demonstrations, knowing their potential, than watching a few thousand people burn to death.


Well, we didn't have the internet and the ISS for Pearl Harbor, the London Blitz, Dresden, Hiroshima, the fall of Saigon, but those and other events caused shock, fear and anger, and knee jerk reactions nonetheless.

Horror and surprise can cause an effect that cannot often be predicted.
 
2012-09-12 03:54:32 PM

The Muthaship: Pearl Harbor gets honored quite often. Not every year, as so much time has passed, but still often. I bet OKC gets honored locally, though I'm not sure. I think the U.S. as a whole is a little embarrassed that that attack came from within.


There is also the matter of scale: OKC was an order of magnitude smaller than either Pearl Harbor or 9/11 in terms of casualties.
 
2012-09-12 03:55:18 PM

the money is in the banana stand: lilplatinum: the money is in the banana stand: lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.

I'll get over it when other countries and our enemies get over it. From the attacks on the Embassies, it is obvious that that hatred and contempt still exists. We shouldn't "get over" something that is still occurring.

Almost as if decades of failed nation building and propping up petty dictators has come back to bite us in the ass.

fark 9/11, its bad enough wading through the throngs of gawking farking tourists on a normal day in the FiDi without the added idiots.

So your response to the attack of 9/11 would have to been what, shrug it off?


Yes.

Jesus would have turned the other cheek, so it probably should have been what a nice Christian nation would have done. Ask them politely to fly another plane into a tall Los Angeles building. Then both cheeks would have been slapped.
 
2012-09-12 03:59:49 PM

The Muthaship: cmb53208: Do we as a nation stop and remember Oklahoma City? Or Pearl Harbor? Nope.

Pearl Harbor gets honored quite often. Not every year, as so much time has passed, but still often. I bet OKC gets honored locally, though I'm not sure. I think the U.S. as a whole is a little embarrassed that that attack came from within.

Where I live, nothing stopped yesterday. I'm sure people thought about and either cared deeply, didn't care much or actively mocked people who cared, as is their choice.


Mocking people is always a good time.
 
2012-09-12 04:00:15 PM

highendmighty: Casey Anthony: tower of pisa: Hey subby don't listen to all the farkingly farkish comments! Thanks for sharing. The article is interesting and thought-provoking and the photo with it is WAY cool.
And 9/11/2012 was definitely another bad day for US/mid-east relations. RIP

while mid-east relations with the rest of the world are a-ok. strange that.

Is that what you youngsters are calling a troll? Maybe it's just sarcasm. Not sure.
notsureifserious.jpg? Counfounding.


ok, some other countries are also involved, but they didn't retaliate against the US on 9/11 just for shiats and giggles. They didn't just pick our country's name out of a hat. They wanted to give us a glimpse of what they have suffered at the hands of the US.
 
2012-09-12 04:03:30 PM

ObscureNameHere: Wasn't this the plot of "Lucifer's Hammer"?

/also, if someone could post a pic of some sci-fi artwork called "The Pacifist" (iirc) that would be relevant.


Lucifers hammer was about a cometstrike (I suspect that Deep Impact was based off of it)
There were astronauts on the ISS when the comet struck, and they crash landed near the senators compound in the mountains of California

/it's been a couple of years since I read it, about time to read it again, but I have so many ebooks from baens free library to read
 
2012-09-12 04:05:03 PM
kittypie, go spend some time looking at image macros
 
2012-09-12 04:17:39 PM

Jake Havechek: Ruiizu: Never understood how these kinds of events instilled such strong feelings. Death and destruction are naturally occurring events, and this by far was not one of the most impressive man-made events. I'm much more moved by watching atomic bomb demonstrations, knowing their potential, than watching a few thousand people burn to death.

Well, we didn't have the internet and the ISS for Pearl Harbor, the London Blitz, Dresden, Hiroshima, the fall of Saigon, but those and other events caused shock, fear and anger, and knee jerk reactions nonetheless.

Horror and surprise can cause an effect that cannot often be predicted.


I guess I just feel like people overreact to things. Should we do something if there's a tragedy? Absolutely. Should it be driven by rage and fear? Never.
 
2012-09-12 04:20:36 PM

The Muthaship: lilplatinum: propping up petty dictators has come back to bite us in the ass.

Helping get rid of them is too, it seems.


sometimes dictators are assholes because there are other assholes in their nation that want to kill them. it's complex world, but some evil dictators are actually good. well good for killing people that want to other people who may look somewhat like you or me.

/it's not like the islamic fundies loved saddam
 
2012-09-12 04:37:04 PM
There's still folks in this country who havn't gotten over the Civil War.
 
2012-09-12 04:39:57 PM

Casey Anthony: highendmighty: Casey Anthony: tower of pisa: Hey subby don't listen to all the farkingly farkish comments! Thanks for sharing. The article is interesting and thought-provoking and the photo with it is WAY cool.
And 9/11/2012 was definitely another bad day for US/mid-east relations. RIP

while mid-east relations with the rest of the world are a-ok. strange that.

Is that what you youngsters are calling a troll? Maybe it's just sarcasm. Not sure.
notsureifserious.jpg? Counfounding.

ok, some other countries are also involved, but they didn't retaliate against the US on 9/11 just for shiats and giggles. They didn't just pick our country's name out of a hat. They wanted to give us a glimpse of what they have suffered at the hands of the US.


"Every Muslim the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate towards Americans, Jews and Christians, this is part of our ideology. Ever since I can recall, I felt at war with the Americans and had feelings of animosity and hate towards them," said bin Laden in an interview with al-Jazeera Arab television in 1998. -- the guy hated out of bigotry!

His hatred toward the U.S. was solidified when American troops, instead of his Arab brothers, confronted Saddam Hussein during the 1990 Kuwait invasion. To bin Laden this was "a violation of the sanctity of Muslim territory." -- like he was going to do anything about it. Kuwait was the red-headed step-child of the Middle East.

The guy was a radical who was offended by the presence of the US in the middle east, even though we funded his rebellion against the USSR, and compensated well (and continue to do so) the middle east for our continued presence. bin Laden would have been in no position to become the man he was without the USA.

You see, the governments who accept our presence over there do so out of the love of money and, to a lesser degree, a desire for freindly relations. The fact that we are there at all is due to pacts we have made between the governments of these countries, who ALLOW US presence in their holy land. bin Laden, and all his apologists, were and are misguided, short-sighted fools blinded by fundamentalism and inflexible ideology.
 
2012-09-12 04:41:00 PM

Casey Anthony: highendmighty: Casey Anthony: tower of pisa: Hey subby don't listen to all the farkingly farkish comments! Thanks for sharing. The article is interesting and thought-provoking and the photo with it is WAY cool.
And 9/11/2012 was definitely another bad day for US/mid-east relations. RIP

while mid-east relations with the rest of the world are a-ok. strange that.

Is that what you youngsters are calling a troll? Maybe it's just sarcasm. Not sure.
notsureifserious.jpg? Counfounding.

ok, some other countries are also involved, but they didn't retaliate against the US on 9/11 just for shiats and giggles. They didn't just pick our country's name out of a hat. They wanted to give us a glimpse of what they have suffered at the hands of the US.


Yea, the victims of 9/11 had it coming.
 
2012-09-12 04:45:48 PM
I was being loaded into a police van, I was pretty, pretty, pretty, lonely.
 
2012-09-12 04:49:49 PM

the money is in the banana stand: lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.

I'll get over it when other countries and our enemies get over it. From the attacks on the Embassies, it is obvious that that hatred and contempt still exists. We shouldn't "get over" something that is still occurring.


We could get out of countries that feel such hate and contempt for us, after all.
 
2012-09-12 04:50:05 PM

highendmighty: "Every Muslim the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate towards Americans, Jews and Christians, this is part of our ideology. Ever since I can recall, I felt at war with the Americans and had feelings of animosity and hate towards them," said bin Laden in an interview with al-Jazeera Arab television in 1998. -- the guy hated out of bigotry!

His hatred toward the U.S. was solidified when American troops, instead of his Arab brothers, confronted Saddam Hussein during the 1990 Kuwait invasion. To bin Laden this was "a violation of the sanctity of Muslim territory." -- like he was going to do anything about it. Kuwait was the red-headed step-child of the Middle East.

The guy was a radical who was offended by the presence of the US in the middle east, even though we funded his rebellion against the USSR, and compensated well (and continue to do so) the middle east for our continued presence. bin Laden would have been in no position to become the man he was without the USA.

You see, the governments who accept our presence over there do so out of the love of money and, to a lesser degree, a desire for freindly relations. The fact that we are there at all is due to pacts we have made between the governments of ...


or so you've been told.
 
2012-09-12 04:51:52 PM

Novart: Casey Anthony: highendmighty: Casey Anthony: tower of pisa: Hey subby don't listen to all the farkingly farkish comments! Thanks for sharing. The article is interesting and thought-provoking and the photo with it is WAY cool.
And 9/11/2012 was definitely another bad day for US/mid-east relations. RIP

while mid-east relations with the rest of the world are a-ok. strange that.

Is that what you youngsters are calling a troll? Maybe it's just sarcasm. Not sure.
notsureifserious.jpg? Counfounding.

ok, some other countries are also involved, but they didn't retaliate against the US on 9/11 just for shiats and giggles. They didn't just pick our country's name out of a hat. They wanted to give us a glimpse of what they have suffered at the hands of the US.

Yea, the victims of 9/11 had it coming.


now we know how it feels.
 
2012-09-12 04:52:28 PM

Gyrfalcon: We could get out of countries that feel such hate and contempt for us, after all.


Those assholes are the best reason on earth to get away from oil. Can you imagine what the Middle East would be like if they hadn't accidentally wandered onto their huge oil reserves?

Me either, because no one would give a sh*t.
 
2012-09-12 04:54:45 PM

Gyrfalcon [TotalFark]

the money is in the banana stand: lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.

I'll get over it when other countries and our enemies get over it. From the attacks on the Embassies, it is obvious that that hatred and contempt still exists. We shouldn't "get over" something that is still occurring.

We could get out of countries that feel such hate and contempt for us, after all.


and leave the Israelis to clean up their own messes? I think not.
 
2012-09-12 04:57:00 PM
He grabbed his camera and snapped.

Five minutes later, when he came back to his senses, Frank found that Ivan was missing several fingers, and Boris had what appeared to be a a Nikon zoom lens shoved halfway into his rectum...
 
2012-09-12 04:58:35 PM

Casey Anthony: or so you've been told.


Or so I've been told?!?
by bin Laden's direct quotes as reported by al-jazeera?

What part of our pre-war presence was not accepted by the legitimate governments of the countries in which we built our interests? We didn't covertly airdrop Exxon into Saudi Arabia or set up airbases without consent of the ruling governments. The US pays these countries for their oil, lease their land for our bases, and employ their people for services. If legitimate governemnts did not want us there, they would not allow us there.
 
2012-09-12 05:01:06 PM

Casey Anthony: now we know how it feels.


Your Jungian guilt is showing. And your NYU polisci 101 professor applauds.
 
2012-09-12 05:01:36 PM

highendmighty: Casey Anthony: or so you've been told.

Or so I've been told?!?
by bin Laden's direct quotes as reported by al-jazeera?

What part of our pre-war presence was not accepted by the legitimate governments of the countries in which we built our interests? We didn't covertly airdrop Exxon into Saudi Arabia or set up airbases without consent of the ruling governments. The US pays these countries for their oil, lease their land for our bases, and employ their people for services. If legitimate governemnts did not want us there, they would not allow us there.


You are the marlin to his Santiago.
 
2012-09-12 05:05:33 PM

The Muthaship: highendmighty: Casey Anthony: or so you've been told.

Or so I've been told?!?
by bin Laden's direct quotes as reported by al-jazeera?

What part of our pre-war presence was not accepted by the legitimate governments of the countries in which we built our interests? We didn't covertly airdrop Exxon into Saudi Arabia or set up airbases without consent of the ruling governments. The US pays these countries for their oil, lease their land for our bases, and employ their people for services. If legitimate governemnts did not want us there, they would not allow us there.

You are the marlin to his Santiago.


And the sharks keep coming...
 
2012-09-12 05:14:01 PM

J. Frank Parnell: So the international space station just happened to be directly above it when the planes hit?

I know some people who are going to have a field day with that.


How? there were no lasers attached to the sides of the ISS. Movies lie :(

/we don't have cool kill lasers in space for precision attacks
//buildings exploding are not cool when people are inside
 
2012-09-12 05:19:03 PM

Amusement: [s18.postimage.org image 460x345]


Simon Cowell's an Englishman. They've got examples of grief porn from before
the US was a gleam in some conquistador's eye.

/still not as old as middle east grief porn
//feeling sad about 9/11 is not grief porn
///using it for political gain is
 
2012-09-12 05:24:13 PM

highendmighty: Casey Anthony: or so you've been told.

Or so I've been told?!?
by bin Laden's direct quotes as reported by al-jazeera?

What part of our pre-war presence was not accepted by the legitimate governments of the countries in which we built our interests? We didn't covertly airdrop Exxon into Saudi Arabia or set up airbases without consent of the ruling governments. The US pays these countries for their oil, lease their land for our bases, and employ their people for services. If legitimate governemnts did not want us there, they would not allow us there.


You speak only of the governments, but it's the people of these countries who have suffered under these legitimate governments with our aid and consent. but yeah, yeah, since I have a different perspective, you're just a fish.
 
2012-09-12 05:27:03 PM
I had to drive about an hour home that day and was pissed because the was no music on any of the radio stations.
 
2012-09-12 05:28:11 PM
wtc7.gif
 
2012-09-12 05:29:32 PM

Casey Anthony: highendmighty: Casey Anthony: or so you've been told.

Or so I've been told?!?
by bin Laden's direct quotes as reported by al-jazeera?

What part of our pre-war presence was not accepted by the legitimate governments of the countries in which we built our interests? We didn't covertly airdrop Exxon into Saudi Arabia or set up airbases without consent of the ruling governments. The US pays these countries for their oil, lease their land for our bases, and employ their people for services. If legitimate governemnts did not want us there, they would not allow us there.

You speak only of the governments, but it's the people of these countries who have suffered under these legitimate governments with our aid and consent. but yeah, yeah, since I have a different perspective, you're just a fish.


And when the people of these governments rise up for freedom and change, the US did nothing?
Most recently, this freaking year in fact, we aidedthe people in the overthrow of the standing governments of Libya and Egypt in support of the people. You are just bait?
 
2012-09-12 05:32:09 PM

The Muthaship: Gyrfalcon: We could get out of countries that feel such hate and contempt for us, after all.

Those assholes are the best reason on earth to get away from oil. Can you imagine what the Middle East would be like if they hadn't accidentally wandered onto their huge oil reserves?

Me either, because no one would give a sh*t.


The place that used to be "Arabia" was known as the Rub al'Qali, the "Empty Quarter" because even the Bedouins didn't want to go there. Let's go back to those halcyon days.
 
2012-09-12 05:35:11 PM
every last one of you suck

including me

I hope Domo Kuns plague your dreams
 
2012-09-12 05:36:11 PM
No, Gyrfalcon does not suck
 
2012-09-12 05:40:05 PM

highendmighty: Casey Anthony: highendmighty: Casey Anthony: or so you've been told.

Or so I've been told?!?
by bin Laden's direct quotes as reported by al-jazeera?

What part of our pre-war presence was not accepted by the legitimate governments of the countries in which we built our interests? We didn't covertly airdrop Exxon into Saudi Arabia or set up airbases without consent of the ruling governments. The US pays these countries for their oil, lease their land for our bases, and employ their people for services. If legitimate governemnts did not want us there, they would not allow us there.

You speak only of the governments, but it's the people of these countries who have suffered under these legitimate governments with our aid and consent. but yeah, yeah, since I have a different perspective, you're just a fish.

And when the people of these governments rise up for freedom and change, the US did nothing?
Most recently, this freaking year in fact, we aidedthe people in the overthrow of the standing governments of Libya and Egypt in support of the people. You are just bait?


We were lucky Obama was President. OBAMA 2012 biatches! And another Nobel Peace Prize to boot.
 
2012-09-12 05:41:54 PM

Casey Anthony: We were lucky Obama was President. OBAMA 2012 biatches! And another Nobel Peace Prize to boot.


Do you ever have soreness in your neck and jaw area?
 
2012-09-12 05:57:00 PM

Casey Anthony: We were lucky Obama was President. OBAMA 2012 biatches! And another Nobel Peace Prize to boot.


Your reluctant hero Che bin Laden would differ with your perspective.
 
2012-09-12 06:00:43 PM

The Muthaship: cmb53208: Do we as a nation stop and remember Oklahoma City? Or Pearl Harbor? Nope.

Pearl Harbor gets honored quite often. Not every year, as so much time has passed, but still often. I bet OKC gets honored locally, though I'm not sure. I think the U.S. as a whole is a little embarrassed that that attack came from within.

Where I live, nothing stopped yesterday. I'm sure people thought about and either cared deeply, didn't care much or actively mocked people who cared, as is their choice.


HEH - no, we don't like to talk about OKC. It's hard to adopt the proper air of self-righteous tribal butthurt when it's US, and not THEM.
 
2012-09-12 06:21:21 PM

jso2897: The Muthaship: cmb53208: Do we as a nation stop and remember Oklahoma City? Or Pearl Harbor? Nope.

Pearl Harbor gets honored quite often. Not every year, as so much time has passed, but still often. I bet OKC gets honored locally, though I'm not sure. I think the U.S. as a whole is a little embarrassed that that attack came from within.

Where I live, nothing stopped yesterday. I'm sure people thought about and either cared deeply, didn't care much or actively mocked people who cared, as is their choice.

HEH - no, we don't like to talk about OKC. It's hard to adopt the proper air of self-righteous tribal butthurt when it's US, and not THEM.


It seems reasonable to me that such a smaller event would receive less coverage - and we didn't exactly shy away from actively fighting and prosecuting related groups as well as those responsible. How did you come to the conclusion that it is "tribal butthurt"?
 
2012-09-12 06:21:56 PM
Subby, does not, know how, to properly, use commas.
 
2012-09-12 06:22:45 PM

Pocket Ninja: grief por


Did nots ee those, but saw this.
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-12 06:29:48 PM

Kittypie070: No, Gyrfalcon does not suck


I hope not! I throw plenty of salmons your way!

[toss]

I'm out of brandy today, sorry.
 
2012-09-12 06:55:25 PM

Gyrfalcon: the money is in the banana stand: lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.

I'll get over it when other countries and our enemies get over it. From the attacks on the Embassies, it is obvious that that hatred and contempt still exists. We shouldn't "get over" something that is still occurring.

We could get out of countries that feel such hate and contempt for us, after all.


What happens when these countries start to acquire nuclear weapon capabilities and their radical and violent ways spillover? What happens when "radical" becomes mainstream and part of a government? What happens when you have a massive population whose primary objective is to destroy anyone or thing that conflicts with their ideas? Sorry, the United States is not like this before someone tries that troll line. If we are talking about some isolated tribe I would agree with you, but because of globalization, the potential outcome to this is utter destruction. You don't kill someone because they disagree with you or insulted you or your belief system. The problem are the monkeys that believe this sort of violence is an appropriate response or solution, not that we are in these countries. I guess you would then be ok if I wanted to go around dragging foreigners through the streets because golly, I don't like them so they just shouldn't be here!
 
2012-09-12 07:00:25 PM
Oh I think being IN one of the towers might have been a teensy bit worse.
 
2012-09-12 07:18:56 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Gyrfalcon: the money is in the banana stand: lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.

I'll get over it when other countries and our enemies get over it. From the attacks on the Embassies, it is obvious that that hatred and contempt still exists. We shouldn't "get over" something that is still occurring.

We could get out of countries that feel such hate and contempt for us, after all.

What happens when these countries start to acquire nuclear weapon capabilities and their radical and violent ways spillover? What happens when "radical" becomes mainstream and part of a government? What happens when you have a massive population whose primary objective is to destroy anyone or thing that conflicts with their ideas? Sorry, the United States is not like this before someone tries that troll line. If we are talking about some isolated tribe I would agree with you, but because of globalization, the potential outcome to this is utter destruction. You don't kill someone because they disagree with you or insulted you or your belief system. The problem are the monkeys that believe this sort of violence is an appropriate response or solution, not that we are in these countries. I guess you would then be ok if I wanted to go around dragging foreigners through the streets because golly, I don't like them so they just shouldn't be here!


We could, I guess, take a better look at countries before we invade them because we don't like their leaders; we could look at the experience of other superpowers before occupying a country for ten years; we could stop using a foreign policy of COMMIES BAD! NON-COMMIES GOOD! (or the more recent equivalent ISLAM BAD! NON-ISLAM GOOD!) when we decide which nations to sanction and which to support--in other words, we could consider that our actions have repercussions and we are still paying for mistakes made 60 years ago BEFORE we go running in to condemn places like Iran for their extremist stance and to rummage around in sub-Saharan Africa because we think they're doing bad things.

I know that is difficult to accept, but other countries have indicated in no uncertain terms they don't like other nations telling them what to do and how to run things. It's time America acknowledged that our policies have had a bad impact on the people of other countries and, I don't know, maybe asking them if they'd like our help instead of assuming they all want to be Iowa?
 
2012-09-12 07:20:35 PM

lilplatinum: the money is in the banana stand:
So your response to the attack of 9/11 would have to been what, shrug it off?

Find those responsible without starting several trillion dollars of useless wars, various constitutional violations, cowering while rent-a-cops at the airport do full body cavity searches, and 11 years of self flagellation and political lip service..


This.

While the events of 9/11 were tragic and terrible, the knee-jerk political reaction has been absolutely sickening.

Pretty much everyone could figure out by the time the second plane hit that we were under attack. As much as that sucks, you need to pull things together, find out the people responsible and *stop* them (usually permanently.) Then you see if there was any reasonable way of preventing the attack (keyword: reasonable) make any necessary changes and go on with your lives.

This constant stream of wallowing in fear and PTSD all year....and * celebrating * the process every year on 9//11. What the fark?

Yes, if you were in the middle of it, or lost loved ones, that totally makes sense, and you have my sincere sympathies.

For the vast majority of the nation who merely saw it on tv though, you're just being bizarre.
 
2012-09-12 07:20:43 PM
This astronaut actually saw planes fly into the WTC from the ISS??? That's amazing!

(checks article)

Okay, CSB and great pic, but he didn't actually see anything but smoke, after the fact.
 
2012-09-12 07:38:00 PM

Gyrfalcon: the money is in the banana stand: Gyrfalcon: the money is in the banana stand: lilplatinum: Its been 11 years.

Get over it.

I'll get over it when other countries and our enemies get over it. From the attacks on the Embassies, it is obvious that that hatred and contempt still exists. We shouldn't "get over" something that is still occurring.

We could get out of countries that feel such hate and contempt for us, after all.

What happens when these countries start to acquire nuclear weapon capabilities and their radical and violent ways spillover? What happens when "radical" becomes mainstream and part of a government? What happens when you have a massive population whose primary objective is to destroy anyone or thing that conflicts with their ideas? Sorry, the United States is not like this before someone tries that troll line. If we are talking about some isolated tribe I would agree with you, but because of globalization, the potential outcome to this is utter destruction. You don't kill someone because they disagree with you or insulted you or your belief system. The problem are the monkeys that believe this sort of violence is an appropriate response or solution, not that we are in these countries. I guess you would then be ok if I wanted to go around dragging foreigners through the streets because golly, I don't like them so they just shouldn't be here!

We could, I guess, take a better look at countries before we invade them because we don't like their leaders; we could look at the experience of other superpowers before occupying a country for ten years; we could stop using a foreign policy of COMMIES BAD! NON-COMMIES GOOD! (or the more recent equivalent ISLAM BAD! NON-ISLAM GOOD!) when we decide which nations to sanction and which to support--in other words, we could consider that our actions have repercussions and we are still paying for mistakes made 60 years ago BEFORE we go running in to condemn places like Iran for their extremist stance and to rummag ...


Granted I started the slippery slope argument, but you answered back with a hyperbole. There is a big difference between "commies bad, no commies good" and actively killing and terrorizing the "commies" or Muslims. We can and SHOULD condemn countries with extremist stances that violate basic human rights. We shouldn't sit back idly and go "oh yeah keep on with your genocide because that is your belief system and it is in your country!"
 
2012-09-12 08:16:56 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Granted I started the slippery slope argument, but you answered back with a hyperbole. There is a big difference between "commies bad, no commies good" and actively killing and terrorizing the "commies" or Muslims. We can and SHOULD condemn countries with extremist stances that violate basic human rights. We shouldn't sit back idly and go "oh yeah keep on with your genocide because that is your belief system and it is in your country!"


Well, to scale back on both the hyperbole and slope-slippage, we're both right. We should of course condemn extremist nations that violate human rights; and we shouldn't sit back and fold our hands while it goes on.

That said, our foreign relations is a sad mess. Part of the problem, and a reason America has such a poor reputation in that part of the world, is our constant meddling and ham-handed attempts to fix what ain't broke, while placing blame on the people whose problems we helped create. You can go too far back, of course--like I always point out that Churchill was the one who gave us Iraq in the first place--which is true but irrelevant--but you can also go wrong by looking only at the immediate situation and rushing in to fix something without understanding WHY it is broken.

Case in point: The violence in Rwanda and Burundi is terrible, one of the worst genocides in modern history. And yet to rush in to fix them without realizing the centuries of hate between Hutu and Tutsi is fruitless--there is a lot more going on than our perception that one side is being mean to the other side. They're not going to play nice just because some outsiders tell them to. So sure, SOMETHING should be done, but just telling them to stop killing each other won't work. And yet that's been the best American policy has had to offer, or the polar opposite, sending in our soldiers to enforce a "peace" that never existed and will stop existing the moment we leave.

Both are short-term solutions; the harder, longer term solution is to accept that people will die while we try to create a solution everyone can live with for the long term. In the case of Rwanda and Burundi, for instance, it might mean allowing them to repartition the countries, move all the Tutsi to one side and the Hutu to another, and then assisting with the creations of governments in both nations. That will take lots of time and there will be lots of atrocities during the transition...and that's what drives our policy right now. We want to fix everything all at once, now and forever, amen. And life isn't like that.
 
2012-09-12 08:36:35 PM

MythDragon: A few minutes later, a plane hit the ISS


There are actually some people who can say what that's like. Progress supply ship hits Mir space station
 
2012-09-12 09:28:36 PM
9/11? Something happened yesterday that I am not aware of?
 
2012-09-13 01:49:02 AM
[HOMPFs the delishus salmon gratefully]
 
2012-09-13 04:00:49 AM

The Muthaship: Is this a thing now? People are too cool to honor the victims of the only real attack on American soil of its kind? Or at least STFU while people who want to do so? Looking down on the ones who do take a moment to remember is just a bonus I presume....


Now? No, it's been a thing since like, forever... people move on... we're not still taking a moment of silence for the fall of the Mayan empire or anything...
 
2012-09-13 09:17:09 AM
Don't really see how this is even remotely true.
 
2012-09-14 02:57:01 AM

MacWizard: This astronaut actually saw planes fly into the WTC from the ISS??? That's amazing!

(checks article)

Okay, CSB and great pic, but he didn't actually see anything but smoke, after the fact.


***

I was thinking the same thing. I saw the second (remotely controlled) plane hit the tower LIVE on the news, so this astronaut can go suck a diiiiick.
 
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