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2012-09-12 12:35:51 PM  
Farkin' Braves need to find the "ON" switch for their bats...
 
2012-09-12 12:36:50 PM  
The Phillies won't catch the Braves, but they could catch that second spot.

Though Philly does have a 3 game series with Atlanta coming up...If they sweep there my above statement reserves the right to be amended.

The Braves are playing this month so far about as well as last September though. Averaging 3.3 RPG compared to around 4.5 for the season. Good thing their pitching has been stronger than Last year.

If they fail to make the playoffs this year and Gonzalez and Uggla are still employed by them when the seasons starts next year, I'm done caring about the Braves because it will be obvious Braves upper management doesn't care.
 
2012-09-12 12:40:22 PM  
I must cheer for any team that beats the Cards. Would make my little heart happy if the failed in their quest for " 12 in 12". F$&k them and their fans.
 
2012-09-12 12:42:38 PM  

srhp29: The Phillies won't catch the Braves, but they could catch that second spot.

Though Philly does have a 3 game series with Atlanta coming up...If they sweep there my above statement reserves the right to be amended.

The Braves are playing this month so far about as well as last September though. Averaging 3.3 RPG compared to around 4.5 for the season. Good thing their pitching has been stronger than Last year.

If they fail to make the playoffs this year and Gonzalez and Uggla are still employed by them when the seasons starts next year, I'm done caring about the Braves because it will be obvious Braves upper management doesn't care.


Still a daunting task for the Phillies to get that second wild card spot. The easiest solution of all -- win out. Short of that, finish off the Marlins, sweep the Astros and lay waste to the Mets and hope the Pirates continue their collapse and the Cards and Dodgers split this weekend.
 
2012-09-12 12:48:43 PM  
Baseball, football, doesn't matter. Philly isn't winning a championship, to say nothing of making the big game.
 
2012-09-12 12:58:55 PM  
Ugh. In mid-July, the Snakes were in the 5.5, 6.5GB range. Made a couple of moves at the deadline, nothing major, bu ta couple of moves and boom, here we are now with what, 20 games left and we're something like 10.5 back. completely tanked. there was all this optimism about the Giants losing Cabrera and how that would open the door for a Giants collapse. uh....no.

i remember talking with someone here circa May/June when the West was pretty open, and some guy said if the Sankes don't make the playoffs then Gibby could be on the hot seat for next year. I pooh-poohed him, saying last year's run and the year before (he was appointed halfway through the season) bougth him 2 if not 3 years of safety.

well.....it is hard to say. Gibby is a hardass and you can't help but wonder if the team is tuning him out. Hardass, my way or the highway coaches tend to burn out (mike singletary, anyone?) and the team just looks disinterested at ttimes. the lack of effort and mistakes, that's not the way he manages ballplayers but to go from 5.5 with half the season left to losing 2 out of 3 to the Astros or get punked by the Padres home and away, gaaaaaaaaaah. No one here is saying it but I wonder.

The hardass coach has a pretty damn quick point of diminishing returns. with how spectacularly moribund the team has played against subpar or similar competition, you just wonder.
 
2012-09-12 01:16:39 PM  
And the Nats' magic number drops by two :)
 
2012-09-12 01:25:32 PM  
...I knew this would farking happen when I posted that Philly is done yesterday.

I still think they're done, but regardless of who comes out of the wild-card game in the NL, they're hapless Nationals-bait. It's like nobody wants to go to the playoffs in the NL except the division leaders.
 
2012-09-12 01:30:24 PM  
Sonofabiatch I don't want to care about baseball until next October.

/Go Phils!
 
2012-09-12 01:36:20 PM  

Cagey B: ...I knew this would farking happen when I posted that Philly is done yesterday.

I still think they're done, but regardless of who comes out of the wild-card game in the NL, they're hapless Nationals-bait. It's like nobody wants to go to the playoffs in the NL except the division leaders.


Interestingly enough, it may come down to those last series - Cards vs Reds, Phils vs Nats. If the Nats and Reds are still fighting for best record, they may not really be looking to rest up all that much. Combine that with being division games against playoff contenders, and you have the makings for another fun end-of-the-season. (The Dodgers, of course, assuming they survive their brutal schedule to that point, have the traditional rivalry series with the Giants, making it even more fun.)
 
2012-09-12 01:42:23 PM  

Joe_diGriz: Cagey B: ...I knew this would farking happen when I posted that Philly is done yesterday.

I still think they're done, but regardless of who comes out of the wild-card game in the NL, they're hapless Nationals-bait. It's like nobody wants to go to the playoffs in the NL except the division leaders.

Interestingly enough, it may come down to those last series - Cards vs Reds, Phils vs Nats. If the Nats and Reds are still fighting for best record, they may not really be looking to rest up all that much. Combine that with being division games against playoff contenders, and you have the makings for another fun end-of-the-season. (The Dodgers, of course, assuming they survive their brutal schedule to that point, have the traditional rivalry series with the Giants, making it even more fun.)


And the Braves play the Pirates that last series I believe.
 
2012-09-12 01:47:16 PM  

srhp29: And the Braves play the Pirates that last series I believe.


Unfortunately, unless they suddenly forget (again) that they're the Pirates, that series probably won't mean anything by that point. They got swept by the freaking Cubs, fer cryin' out loud.
 
2012-09-12 02:15:05 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Farkin' Braves need to find the "ON" switch for their bats...


It's getting a little ridiculous. If they blow this, Fredi is done and I'll probably get over it, but for this team to miss the playoffs in Chipper's last season by blowing another lead would be criminal.
 
2012-09-12 02:22:37 PM  

Cagey B: ...I knew this would farking happen when I posted that Philly is done yesterday.

I still think they're done, but regardless of who comes out of the wild-card game in the NL, they're hapless Nationals-bait. It's like nobody wants to go to the playoffs in the NL except the division leaders.


No Strasburg. Anything could happen.
 
2012-09-12 02:35:13 PM  

SlothB77: No Strasburg. Anything could happen.


Well, yeah, anything could theoretically happen. But Washington has the #2 pitching staff in MLB (yes, there are other pitchers beside St. Strasburg), so anything other than the Nats winning the first round against a decidedly soft field of possible opponents is unlikely to happen.
 
2012-09-12 02:45:02 PM  
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2012-09-12 02:45:24 PM  

SlothB77: Cagey B: ...I knew this would farking happen when I posted that Philly is done yesterday.

I still think they're done, but regardless of who comes out of the wild-card game in the NL, they're hapless Nationals-bait. It's like nobody wants to go to the playoffs in the NL except the division leaders.

No Strasburg. Anything could happen.


Would the Nationals even be allowed to play the Braves in the Division series? I am not sure if Division Rivals are allowed to play in that series...Does anyone know the rule on that?
 
2012-09-12 02:49:46 PM  

srhp29: Would the Nationals even be allowed to play the Braves in the Division series? I am not sure if Division Rivals are allowed to play in that series...Does anyone know the rule on that?


It's changed this year. Teams in the same division may now meet in the ALDS/NLDS.
 
2012-09-12 03:05:04 PM  

Cagey B: Well, yeah, anything could theoretically happen. But Washington has the #2 pitching staff in MLB (yes, there are other pitchers beside St. Strasburg), so anything other than the Nats winning the first round against a decidedly soft field of possible opponents is unlikely to happen.


It'd be like the Phillies losing in the first round starting Halladay, Hamels, Lee, and Oswalt.

5 game series are unpredictable as hell.
 
2012-09-12 03:07:20 PM  

srhp29: SlothB77: Cagey B: ...I knew this would farking happen when I posted that Philly is done yesterday.

I still think they're done, but regardless of who comes out of the wild-card game in the NL, they're hapless Nationals-bait. It's like nobody wants to go to the playoffs in the NL except the division leaders.

No Strasburg. Anything could happen.

Would the Nationals even be allowed to play the Braves in the Division series? I am not sure if Division Rivals are allowed to play in that series...Does anyone know the rule on that?


Formerly, a division winner could not play a wild card team from its own division in the first round. I don't know if that's out the window with the first-round one-game playoff between two wild cards, which I find to the a total load of BS, but that's for another thread.

Cagey B: SlothB77: No Strasburg. Anything could happen.

Well, yeah, anything could theoretically happen. But Washington has the #2 pitching staff in MLB (yes, there are other pitchers beside St. Strasburg), so anything other than the Nats winning the first round against a decidedly soft field of possible opponents is unlikely to happen.


Yes, but in the Bizarro World that is the playoff system in place now, Washington will have to play its first two of five on the road. It's still a formidable staff, to be sure, but it's conceivable that the Nats could drop the first two and have to go home needing to sweep the next three. Personally, I think the Baseball Gods will frown upon Strasbourg/Boras's shenanigans and the Nats are one-and-done.
 
2012-09-12 03:10:21 PM  

SlothB77: Cagey B: ...I knew this would farking happen when I posted that Philly is done yesterday.

I still think they're done, but regardless of who comes out of the wild-card game in the NL, they're hapless Nationals-bait. It's like nobody wants to go to the playoffs in the NL except the division leaders.

No Strasburg. Anything could happen.


Plus the Nats' remaining schedule is almost all teams trying to get in/maintain a playoff spot. Some of that could change by the time they play some of those teams, but still, no let up in sight yet.
 
2012-09-12 03:13:34 PM  

Nabb1: srhp29: SlothB77: Cagey B: ...I knew this would farking happen when I posted that Philly is done yesterday.

I still think they're done, but regardless of who comes out of the wild-card game in the NL, they're hapless Nationals-bait. It's like nobody wants to go to the playoffs in the NL except the division leaders.

No Strasburg. Anything could happen.

Would the Nationals even be allowed to play the Braves in the Division series? I am not sure if Division Rivals are allowed to play in that series...Does anyone know the rule on that?

Formerly, a division winner could not play a wild card team from its own division in the first round. I don't know if that's out the window with the first-round one-game playoff between two wild cards, which I find to the a total load of BS, but that's for another thread.

Cagey B: SlothB77: No Strasburg. Anything could happen.

Well, yeah, anything could theoretically happen. But Washington has the #2 pitching staff in MLB (yes, there are other pitchers beside St. Strasburg), so anything other than the Nats winning the first round against a decidedly soft field of possible opponents is unlikely to happen.

Yes, but in the Bizarro World that is the playoff system in place now, Washington will have to play its first two of five on the road. It's still a formidable staff, to be sure, but it's conceivable that the Nats could drop the first two and have to go home needing to sweep the next three. Personally, I think the Baseball Gods will frown upon Strasbourg/Boras's shenanigans and the Nats are one-and-done.


Baseball Gods are irrelvant when you have Baseball leaders setting up a scenario where the best team in the league might A) have to wait at the airport until the Wild Card Game is over and they know who they playing before they leave and B) then end up having to open a best of five with the first two on the road.

Talk about destroying any incentive to have the best record in the league.

Absolute morons who set that up. What should happen is the wild card game winner should have to get on a plane when their game is over and fly to where their next game is and be ready to play the next day.

Why should the best team in the league have to suffer?
 
2012-09-12 03:17:27 PM  

srhp29: Baseball Gods are irrelvant when you have Baseball leaders setting up a scenario where the best team in the league might A) have to wait at the airport until the Wild Card Game is over and they know who they playing before they leave and B) then end up having to open a best of five with the first two on the road.

As I understand it, the weird scheduling this year is a product of the labor negotiations in the offseason and the fact that they didn't know they would be adding the second wild card until right before the season, so they had to do odd things with the postseason. It should be saner next year.

If you want to see weird, check out the 2013 regular season schedule they released today. That's going to take some getting used to.

 
2012-09-12 03:21:22 PM  

srhp29: Talk about destroying any incentive to have the best record in the league.

Absolute morons who set that up. What should happen is the wild card game winner should have to get on a plane when their game is over and fly to where their next game is and be ready to play the next day.

Why should the best team in the league have to suffer?


Suffer? Momentum hardly matters, and even if it did, the #1 team can't get eliminated on the road. I'm sure waiting for your chartered jet is terrible, though.
 
2012-09-12 03:38:48 PM  

you have pee hands: srhp29: Talk about destroying any incentive to have the best record in the league.

Absolute morons who set that up. What should happen is the wild card game winner should have to get on a plane when their game is over and fly to where their next game is and be ready to play the next day.

Why should the best team in the league have to suffer?

Suffer? Momentum hardly matters, and even if it did, the #1 team can't get eliminated on the road. I'm sure waiting for your chartered jet is terrible, though.


You really don't see anything wrong with the best team not knowing who they are playing tomorrow in their first playoff series until after a game that is taking place sometime today and to have to start their series on the road. Starting a series in ones home ballpark is an advantage so they are being put at a disadvantage for being the best team in the league.

And momentum doesn't matter? LOL, I can't tell if you are being serious right there. Tell it to the last two Cardinals World Series Champions that "momentum hardly matters".

Who the hell cares where you are eliminated either? Home or on the Road? Seriously, I have never heard anyway say...man, I sure hope we get eliminated on the road instead of at home. That comment makes me think you are trolling.
 
2012-09-12 04:15:20 PM  

srhp29: Who the hell cares where you are eliminated either? Home or on the Road? Seriously, I have never heard anyway say...man, I sure hope we get eliminated on the road instead of at home. That comment makes me think you are trolling.


The argument here is that the higher seed will not play even a single inning with their backs against the wall on the road. Likewise, if the lower seed is going to win the series, they are going to have to do so on the road. They CAN NOT clinch the series in their home park. That's somewhat of an advantage for the top seed. If HFA in the first two games is so key, then HFA in ALL of the possible elimination games must also be key.

As I've said on here before, the 2-2-1 format is better, but let's not act like the 2-3 format, which has been used in the past, is the worst thing to ever happen. It doesn't ruin the game and it doesn't cheapen the playoffs.
 
2012-09-12 04:41:20 PM  

Rex_Banner: srhp29: Who the hell cares where you are eliminated either? Home or on the Road? Seriously, I have never heard anyway say...man, I sure hope we get eliminated on the road instead of at home. That comment makes me think you are trolling.

The argument here is that the higher seed will not play even a single inning with their backs against the wall on the road. Likewise, if the lower seed is going to win the series, they are going to have to do so on the road. They CAN NOT clinch the series in their home park. That's somewhat of an advantage for the top seed. If HFA in the first two games is so key, then HFA in ALL of the possible elimination games must also be key.

As I've said on here before, the 2-2-1 format is better, but let's not act like the 2-3 format, which has been used in the past, is the worst thing to ever happen. It doesn't ruin the game and it doesn't cheapen the playoffs.


Do you know why the 2-3 format was abandoned in the past? Because the Higher Seeds were sick of opening up on the road so they changed it to 2-2-1 and opened in the higher seed's park and then didn't have a travel day between games 4 and 5 if necessary. They went away from it because it was disliked.
 
2012-09-12 04:55:11 PM  

srhp29: Rex_Banner: srhp29: Who the hell cares where you are eliminated either? Home or on the Road? Seriously, I have never heard anyway say...man, I sure hope we get eliminated on the road instead of at home. That comment makes me think you are trolling.

The argument here is that the higher seed will not play even a single inning with their backs against the wall on the road. Likewise, if the lower seed is going to win the series, they are going to have to do so on the road. They CAN NOT clinch the series in their home park. That's somewhat of an advantage for the top seed. If HFA in the first two games is so key, then HFA in ALL of the possible elimination games must also be key.

As I've said on here before, the 2-2-1 format is better, but let's not act like the 2-3 format, which has been used in the past, is the worst thing to ever happen. It doesn't ruin the game and it doesn't cheapen the playoffs.

Do you know why the 2-3 format was abandoned in the past? Because the Higher Seeds were sick of opening up on the road so they changed it to 2-2-1 and opened in the higher seed's park and then didn't have a travel day between games 4 and 5 if necessary. They went away from it because it was disliked.


Yes. And again, the 2-2-1 is better. But the 2-3 format isn't awful and doesn't taint the playoffs anymore than it tainted any of the past playoff series where the 2-3 was used.
 
2012-09-12 04:58:57 PM  

srhp29: Tell it to the last two Cardinals World Series Champions that "momentum hardly matters".


This last team had momentum. The last one that won was being declared DOA by everyone because they sort of flailed through the last month of the season, but had built a huge lead and no one made a run at them.
 
2012-09-12 04:59:21 PM  
I just realized MLB totally turned the Wild Card into the Bound for Glory series.
 
2012-09-12 05:01:48 PM  
Which radio host said that the Phillies should follow the Red Sox lead and dump all of their high-priced players?

I think the Phils are 14-4 after the day the Red Sox made the trade.

Juts goes to show you what happens when you have players who give a damn.
 
2012-09-12 05:13:40 PM  

Nabb1: srhp29: Tell it to the last two Cardinals World Series Champions that "momentum hardly matters".

This last team had momentum. The last one that won was being declared DOA by everyone because they sort of flailed through the last month of the season, but had built a huge lead and no one made a run at them.


Yeah, that 2006 club basically slacked off the last month of the season because the Central was so weak that year. Also, once they hit the playoffs, a bullpen that had been soft all year suddenly turned into all stars. I mean, seriously, Josh Kinney and Tyler that guy were pitching like Mariano Rivera and Trevor Hoffman. And, well, Wainwright - just damn. Plus, Isringhausen shut it down, which was definitely an upside with all of the close and late games in the Mets series. You think Izzy had the stones to throw Beltran a 3-2 curveball when he's the winning run in Game 7?
 
2012-09-12 05:42:22 PM  

srhp29: You really don't see anything wrong with the best team not knowing who they are playing tomorrow in their first playoff series until after a game that is taking place sometime today and to have to start their series on the road. Starting a series in ones home ballpark is an advantage so they are being put at a disadvantage for being the best team in the league.


No. It's baseball, it's not like you need a week to gameplan. Also, if they've got a 2-3 game lead they can line up their pitching staff while the wild card team comes out of one "must win" game where they have to throw the best guy available.

And momentum doesn't matter? LOL, I can't tell if you are being serious right there. Tell it to the last two Cardinals World Series Champions that "momentum hardly matters".

Post facto analysis. Every team that wins the WS looks like it had momentum after the fact. Winning streaks and the "hot hand" aren't predictive. That Rockies team that lost to Boston in 2007 went into the WS on a 22-1 streak and ... got swept.

Who the hell cares where you are eliminated either? Home or on the Road? Seriously, I have never heard anyway say...man, I sure hope we get eliminated on the road instead of at home. That comment makes me think you are trolling.

They won't play any must-win games on the road. 

I think the two wild card setup is retarded because the first wild card team could lose a huge lead over the second wild card team on the basis of one game, but I don't think the 2-3 is any worse for the home team than 2-2-1, and if it gets MLB to actually play the series out in 6 days instead of throwing extra rest days everywhere I'm even more for it.
 
2012-09-12 07:01:47 PM  
And the Phillies just won again, now 7 in a row.
 
2012-09-12 08:26:43 PM  
Phillies with 3.5.
 
2012-09-12 11:11:44 PM  

phyrkrakr: Nabb1: srhp29: Tell it to the last two Cardinals World Series Champions that "momentum hardly matters".

This last team had momentum. The last one that won was being declared DOA by everyone because they sort of flailed through the last month of the season, but had built a huge lead and no one made a run at them.

Yeah, that 2006 club basically slacked off the last month of the season because the Central was so weak that year. Also, once they hit the playoffs, a bullpen that had been soft all year suddenly turned into all stars. I mean, seriously, Josh Kinney and Tyler that guy were pitching like Mariano Rivera and Trevor Hoffman. And, well, Wainwright - just damn. Plus, Isringhausen shut it down, which was definitely an upside with all of the close and late games in the Mets series. You think Izzy had the stones to throw Beltran a 3-2 curveball when he's the winning run in Game 7?


Izzy wasn't on the mound, that was Wainwright. And he throws the curve because that's what Wainwright does, it's not about "stones". The Cards got by a better team that year because their bullpen was on and the Mets lost Pedro. It was a hell of a series and the Cards earned it, but damn it sucked watching Beltran not even swing at it.
 
2012-09-13 12:34:35 AM  
And the Braves new annual downward spiral a month earlier than they are known for continues.

Bye Fredi...Can't say I will miss you.
 
2012-09-13 11:07:55 AM  

mrjared: Izzy wasn't on the mound, that was Wainwright. And he throws the curve because that's what Wainwright does, it's not about "stones". The Cards got by a better team that year because their bullpen was on and the Mets lost Pedro. It was a hell of a series and the Cards earned it, but damn it sucked watching Beltran not even swing at it.


Yeah, that's what I said. Isringhausen had shut it down - he was finished for the season in August or so and the kids all jumped in. But yeah, that Wainwright pitch was nasty. Beltran had to be thinking fastball, or if it's a curve, no way it isn't a chase pitch. Nope. Dropped right in the basket for a strike.
 
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