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(The New York Times)   Two US embassies attacked and the craven diplomatic response to it would seem to be the sort of thing that warrants New York Times front-page coverage, yes? Not if it crowds out a Romney hit-piece it's not   (nytimes.com ) divider line
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2012-09-12 08:47:04 AM  
NY Times headline for Armageddon: "WORLD ENDS: Women, Minorities Hardest Hit"
 
2012-09-12 08:55:53 AM  
the craven diplomatic response to it

I'm confused about what this is supposed to mean. The only official response I've seen has been condemnation.
 
2012-09-12 08:58:44 AM  

skinnycatullus: the craven diplomatic response to it

I'm confused about what this is supposed to mean. The only official response I've seen has been condemnation.


No, you see, the right thing to do would be to start bombing before even releasing a statement. Otherwise you're just encouraging the savages to attack us further.
 
2012-09-12 09:11:51 AM  

skinnycatullus: The only official response I've seen has been condemnation.


With some blubbering about abusing the freedom of speech.

Chris Hitchens is spinning in his grave.
 
2012-09-12 09:20:46 AM  
i love how the romneybots have already come out and said that obama's response is "craven" when in fact he condemned it harshly. way to turn the death of an american patriot into a political point, you scumbags.

btw - what time did the incident occur, and what time does the NYT go to print? that might account for the lack of headline in the PRINT edition. i see that the online edition is leading with the killing.
 
2012-09-12 09:25:51 AM  

FlashHarry: i love how the romneybots have already come out and said that obama's response is "craven"


Headline distinctly says "diplomatic" response.

The White House is disavowing the embassy's Weenerss, but shiat...in the diplomatic world people agonize over the wording of statements. If the White House doesn't like what the embassy said, then clearly they and Cairo are not on the same page.
 
2012-09-12 09:26:24 AM  
POTUS to speak at 10:35 EDT.
 
2012-09-12 09:27:25 AM  

Gulper Eel: The White House is disavowing the embassy's Weenerss


Geez, is Bill Swerski handling the filterpwnage these days?
 
2012-09-12 09:28:31 AM  
i.imgur.com

This is the only slightly relevant piece on the front-page that I see.
 
2012-09-12 09:30:57 AM  
i.imgur.com 

The Front Page of the NYT in Submitter's link. I see nothing anywhere about it.
 
2012-09-12 09:32:07 AM  

Gulper Eel: With some blubbering about abusing the freedom of speech.


That statement was issued before any attack took place, so I'm not sure how that can reasonably be considered a response to the attacks.
 
2012-09-12 09:33:12 AM  

Gulper Eel: Gulper Eel: The White House is disavowing the embassy's Weenerss

Geez, is Bill Swerski handling the filterpwnage these days?



That was great!
 
2012-09-12 09:38:18 AM  
Two US embassies attacked and the craven diplomatic response to it would seem to be the sort of thing that warrants New York Times front-page coverage, yes?

Negative NYT Press for Democrats? Subby must have been born yesterday.
 
2012-09-12 09:39:10 AM  

Gulper Eel: The White House is disavowing the embassy's Weenerss, but shiat...in the diplomatic world people agonize over the wording of statements. If the White House doesn't like what the embassy said, then clearly they and Cairo are not on the same page.


Which is not surprising. In the heat of rapidly changing cultural conditions and self-preservation, there are likely to be miscommunications between an Administration and its embassies. And Romney is just being a dick. In 2008 Obama closed ranks with Bush when issues came up--saying "we have one president and one administration at a time." Romney doesn't even have the principles to do that.
 
2012-09-12 09:40:03 AM  
Holy shiate, the two embassy attacks didn't even make the NY Times front page? Even MSNBC is blushing at that.
 
2012-09-12 09:40:51 AM  

skinnycatullus: Gulper Eel: With some blubbering about abusing the freedom of speech.

That statement was issued before any attack took place, so I'm not sure how that can reasonably be considered a response to the attacks.


HAH! Like such a trivial matter as the actual timing and release of a statement would matter to Romney's manure-spreader.
 
2012-09-12 09:41:41 AM  

skinnycatullus: Gulper Eel: With some blubbering about abusing the freedom of speech.

That statement was issued before any attack took place, so I'm not sure how that can reasonably be considered a response to the attacks.


The embassy response was before the riot?  It was just about the film outrage?  That gives it some perspective.  Still a stupid apology for a private citizens YouTube video.  But not a response to the riots right or wrong. Are you sure?
 
2012-09-12 09:43:46 AM  
oh wait, yeah, i see the little teaser in the bottom left corner.
 
2012-09-12 09:44:29 AM  

I_C_Weener: The embassy response was before the riot? It was just about the film outrage? That gives it some perspective. Still a stupid apology for a private citizens YouTube video. But not a response to the riots right or wrong. Are you sure?


According to them:
2012.talkingpointsmemo.com
 
2012-09-12 09:52:01 AM  

I_C_Weener: skinnycatullus: Gulper Eel: With some blubbering about abusing the freedom of speech.

That statement was issued before any attack took place, so I'm not sure how that can reasonably be considered a response to the attacks.

The embassy response was before the riot?  It was just about the film outrage?  That gives it some perspective.  Still a stupid apology for a private citizens YouTube video.  But not a response to the riots right or wrong. Are you sure?


This shows the timing...

http://www.salon.com/2012/09/12/mitt%E2%80%99s_shameful_libya_stateme n t/
 
2012-09-12 09:53:20 AM  
NYT's story on the Bengazi attack in on the US consulate in Libya?

Link

I found it in the "most viewed" part.

The Cairo flag burning/wall scaling incident?

Link

And before the ink on those are even dry Romney's campaign is already making this "bad news... for Obama".

Romney actually called Obama's reaction "disgraceful".

In response... Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt said the campaign was "shocked that, at a time when the United States of America is confronting the tragic death of one of our diplomatic officers in Libya, Gov. Romney would choose to launch a political attack."
 
2012-09-12 10:03:12 AM  
Tehran 1979, Beirut 1982

Cairo and Benghazi 2012.
 
2012-09-12 10:15:59 AM  

Gulper Eel: Gulper Eel: The White House is disavowing the embassy's Weenerss

Geez, is Bill Swerski handling the filterpwnage these days?


So after you'd bumped your rather foolish article to commented you were just so excited you had to keep coming back.

What does this stuff do for you?
 
2012-09-12 10:17:31 AM  

I_C_Weener: skinnycatullus: Gulper Eel: With some blubbering about abusing the freedom of speech.

That statement was issued before any attack took place, so I'm not sure how that can reasonably be considered a response to the attacks.

The embassy response was before the riot?  It was just about the film outrage?  That gives it some perspective.  Still a stupid apology for a private citizens YouTube video.  But not a response to the riots right or wrong. Are you sure?


So, angry villagers are shopping for pitchforks to attack you for something someone else did, and you think it's stupid to try to diffuse the situation by saying "hey, it wasn't me"?
 
2012-09-12 10:22:05 AM  
Stay classy NYT.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-12 10:22:17 AM  

skinnycatullus: the craven diplomatic response to it

I'm confused about what this is supposed to mean. The only official response I've seen has been condemnation.


We are supposed to immediately launch an invasion of Egypt and Libya to show how macho we are.
 
2012-09-12 10:24:03 AM  
fark you farking muslim extremists, and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Muhammad.
 
2012-09-12 10:24:26 AM  

vernonFL: Tehran 1979, Beirut 1982

Cairo and Benghazi 2012.


PC Beach 1987. I stormed the embassy of many a Panhandle girl in my Monte SS... if you know what I mean.
 
2012-09-12 10:24:49 AM  

vernonFL: Tehran 1979, Beirut 1982

Cairo and Benghazi 2012.


farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2012-09-12 10:26:07 AM  
The rubble that we'll be sifting through for months?

The lies and misdirection from every conceivable angle on this story.

Jews, Muslims, Dems, GOP, NYT, WSJ, Rinsed Pubis, Deb Wass-Schultz - this is going to be a layer cake of shiat the likes of which we haven't seen since 9/11 (praise be thy name, Never Forget, USA USA, Toby Keith is God, etc).
 
2012-09-12 10:26:23 AM  
Am I missing something?

"U.S Envoy to Libya Is Killed in Attack" is the top story on the front page.

NY Times front page
 
2012-09-12 10:26:24 AM  

propasaurus: I_C_Weener: skinnycatullus: Gulper Eel: With some blubbering about abusing the freedom of speech.

That statement was issued before any attack took place, so I'm not sure how that can reasonably be considered a response to the attacks.

The embassy response was before the riot?  It was just about the film outrage?  That gives it some perspective.  Still a stupid apology for a private citizens YouTube video.  But not a response to the riots right or wrong. Are you sure?

So, angry villagers are shopping for pitchforks to attack you for something someone else did, and you think it's stupid to try to diffuse the situation by saying "hey, it wasn't me"?


img43.imageshack.us
 
2012-09-12 10:26:40 AM  

vpb: skinnycatullus: the craven diplomatic response to it

I'm confused about what this is supposed to mean. The only official response I've seen has been condemnation.

We are supposed to immediately launch an invasion of Egypt and Libya to show how macho we are.


Better yet, lets bomb Iran!
 
2012-09-12 10:26:48 AM  

Somacandra: In the heat of rapidly changing cultural conditions


Rapidly changing? Looks like their culture's still stuck somewhere around 800 AD.
 
2012-09-12 10:27:00 AM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 348x640] 

The Front Page of the NYT in Submitter's link. I see nothing anywhere about it.


Dear dumbass and tardmitter and all butthurt knuckledraggers, you do realize that papers are printed on a deadline, don't you? And said events may have occured after said deadline. And that even Obama and his magical time machine can't go back and change a paper once it's printed. You do realize these things, don't you?????
 
2012-09-12 10:27:06 AM  
CRY MOARmon
 
2012-09-12 10:27:11 AM  
Jesus Fark is getting bad.
 
2012-09-12 10:27:23 AM  

Kazan: fark you farking muslim extremists, and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Muhammad.


This could be Mad Fark Libs.

fark you farking Mormon extremists and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Joseph Smith.
 
2012-09-12 10:27:35 AM  

skinnycatullus: Gulper Eel: With some blubbering about abusing the freedom of speech.

That statement was issued before any attack took place, so I'm not sure how that can reasonably be considered a response to the attacks.


Romney would have retroactively condemned the attacks before they happened.
 
2012-09-12 10:28:22 AM  
Oh, Subby linked to the stories in the print edition of the 9/12 NYT, not the online edition. Sneaky but effective.
 
2012-09-12 10:28:34 AM  

vernonFL: Cairo and Benghazi


Cairo and Benghazi, when the walls fell.

Cairo and Benghazi, their flags ashes.
 
2012-09-12 10:28:40 AM  

Kazan: fark you farking muslim extremists, and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Muhammad.


I wonder if you'll feel the same about voting for a Mormon?
 
2012-09-12 10:29:01 AM  

Moopy Mac: Am I missing something?

"U.S Envoy to Libya Is Killed in Attack" is the top story on the front page.


That's the constantly-updating website front page.

TFA is about the print front page. And yeah, lots of people still buy the Times that way.
 
2012-09-12 10:29:30 AM  

xtragrind: Stay classy NYT.


Define that word for me.
 
2012-09-12 10:29:48 AM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 348x640] 

The Front Page of the NYT in Submitter's link. I see nothing anywhere about it.


Because for some crazy reason the NT Times uses the URL www.nytimes.com for their online content. Weird!
 
2012-09-12 10:29:52 AM  

Moopy Mac: Am I missing something?

"U.S Envoy to Libya Is Killed in Attack" is the top story on the front page.

NY Times front page


You're missing an opportunity to crank your fauxrage to 11ty.
 
2012-09-12 10:30:03 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: skinnycatullus: Gulper Eel: With some blubbering about abusing the freedom of speech.

That statement was issued before any attack took place, so I'm not sure how that can reasonably be considered a response to the attacks.

Romney would have retroactively condemned the attacks before they happened.


Yeah, I was wondering about the timestamp of that statement. If the media gets a second cup of coffee today, they might question Romney about his press release.

Andrea Saul looks like a f*cking Busch league amateur out there.
 
2012-09-12 10:30:26 AM  

Gulper Eel: Moopy Mac: Am I missing something?

"U.S Envoy to Libya Is Killed in Attack" is the top story on the front page.

That's the constantly-updating website front page.

TFA is about the print front page. And yeah, lots of people still buy the Times that way.


So what was Subby's point?
 
2012-09-12 10:30:32 AM  

coeyagi: Kazan: fark you farking muslim extremists, and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Muhammad.

This could be Mad Fark Libs.

fark you farking Mormon extremists and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Joseph Smith.


Hmmmm.....that still works.
 
2012-09-12 10:30:53 AM  

Moopy Mac: Am I missing something?

"U.S Envoy to Libya Is Killed in Attack" is the top story on the front page.

NY Times front page


Tardmitter is using the printed front page, which was printed before the events happened.

Time/space continuum, how does it work?
 
2012-09-12 10:30:58 AM  

Kazan: fark you farking muslim extremists, and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Muhammad.


Did you know that Muhammead was a smoker?
 
2012-09-12 10:31:11 AM  

FlashHarry: btw - what time did the incident occur, and what time does the NYT go to print? that might account for the lack of headline in the PRINT edition. i see that the online edition is leading with the killing.


I first heard about it during the 11PM EDT news.

/farking deadlines...how do they work
 
2012-09-12 10:31:26 AM  

Gulper Eel: FlashHarry: i love how the romneybots have already come out and said that obama's response is "craven"

Headline distinctly says "diplomatic" response.

The White House is disavowing the embassy's Weenerss, but shiat...in the diplomatic world people agonize over the wording of statements. If the White House doesn't like what the embassy said, then clearly they and Cairo are not on the same page.


Also the embassy response was done during the protest but before the attack
 
2012-09-12 10:31:32 AM  

quatchi: NYT's story on the Bengazi attack in on the US consulate in Libya?

Link

I found it in the "most viewed" part.

The Cairo flag burning/wall scaling incident?

Link

And before the ink on those are even dry Romney's campaign is already making this "bad news... for Obama".

Romney actually called Obama's reaction "disgraceful".

In response... Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt said the campaign was "shocked that, at a time when the United States of America is confronting the tragic death of one of our diplomatic officers in Libya, Gov. Romney would choose to launch a political attack."


Why is he "shocked". the GOP promised us an "October Surprise" - and this is it.
A Zionist GOP stooge times the release of his act of provocation to coincide with the election, and the GOP tries to use the resulting mess as ammunition against Obama.
The deep, pathological cynicism and unapologetic ruthlessness of the "get Obama" crowd apparently has no limits.
 
2012-09-12 10:31:42 AM  
So the headline on a paper published for Wednesday morning did not report on news that occurred on Wednesday morning? I dare say I am outraged!
 
2012-09-12 10:31:48 AM  
Why can't the media take it's cues from Breitbart? Why?
 
2012-09-12 10:31:49 AM  
NYTimes = Soviet-era Pravda.

Das is alles, comarade.
 
2012-09-12 10:31:53 AM  
Current NYT online's frontpage
growlersoftware.com
 
2012-09-12 10:32:13 AM  
I just looked at the print edition of thee Seattle Times and it's about the arena deal.
 
2012-09-12 10:32:23 AM  

Moopy Mac: Gulper Eel: Moopy Mac: Am I missing something?

"U.S Envoy to Libya Is Killed in Attack" is the top story on the front page.

That's the constantly-updating website front page.

TFA is about the print front page. And yeah, lots of people still buy the Times that way.

So what was Subby's point?


Outrage the the Times printed something instead of something that had happened yet.
 
2012-09-12 10:32:38 AM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 348x640] 

The Front Page of the NYT in Submitter's link. I see nothing anywhere about it.


Bottom left corner. Anti-American Rage Erupts.
 
2012-09-12 10:33:25 AM  

DarnoKonrad: Jesus Fark is getting bad.


Can we have some more stories about this one incident, please? There's nothing that makes us stronger against the extremists than fighting among ourselves.
 
2012-09-12 10:33:50 AM  

coeyagi: Yeah, I was wondering about the timestamp of that statement. If the media gets a second cup of coffee today, they might question Romney about his press release.


That's why the Romney team originally asked them to hold off till midnight - Romney is a prophet and didn't want to show off.
 
2012-09-12 10:33:58 AM  

hammettman: And said events may have occured after said deadline.


The NY Daily News and the NY Post got it up just fine.
 
2012-09-12 10:34:29 AM  
Roger Ailes

1) Employ 1 conservative and 24 liberals in Ailes' estimation
2) Run unchecked statement from Romney, praising his fauxrage about Obama's administration's statements about the attacks before they even happened.
3) Profit
 
2012-09-12 10:34:33 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: NYTimes = Soviet-era Pravda.

Das is alles, comarade.


Wait, so the Germans are Soviets now?
 
2012-09-12 10:34:36 AM  
Now, the Egyptian attack (which was more minor than the Libyan one) happened in the evening yesterday, New York time, but when did the Libyan one happen? I suspect it happened after this morning's paper had already gone to press.
 
2012-09-12 10:35:27 AM  

cryinoutloud: There's nothing that makes us stronger against the extremists than fighting among ourselves.


Yeah, mobthink is far more effective.
 
2012-09-12 10:36:04 AM  

MFAWG: I just looked at the print edition of thee Seattle Times and it's about the arena deal.


Figures. Stupid left-wing rag only cares about architecture!
 
2012-09-12 10:36:07 AM  
So, basically, the submitter is an idiot who doesn't understand how print deadlines work and exposed himself as a gibbering moron with this headline.

There was very little confirmed information until early this morning.

Although, I'm sure if the NY Times had gone to print with speculation and hearsay the same submitter totally wouldn't have jumped all over them for running with a bunch of rumors.....
 
2012-09-12 10:36:09 AM  

sprawl15: coeyagi: Yeah, I was wondering about the timestamp of that statement. If the media gets a second cup of coffee today, they might question Romney about his press release.

That's why the Romney team originally asked them to hold off till midnight - Romney is a prophet and didn't want to show off.


You know who else was a prophet and wanted certain things to happen at midnight?

cdn.wl.uproxx.com
 
2012-09-12 10:36:16 AM  

Gulper Eel: The White House is disavowing the embassy's Weenerss


Please post the disavowment statement.

Nothing I've seen matches this description.
 
2012-09-12 10:36:28 AM  
I think the appropriate response is to Nuke Tripoli. We better do that before the scheduled pro-America rallies are held, though, or else we'd just look like reactionary jackasses
 
2012-09-12 10:37:05 AM  

Gulper Eel: cryinoutloud: There's nothing that makes us stronger against the extremists than fighting among ourselves.

Yeah, mobthink is far more effective.


You really are completely un-self aware, aren't you?
 
2012-09-12 10:37:39 AM  

Gulper Eel: hammettman: And said events may have occured after said deadline.

The NY Daily News and the NY Post got it up just fine.


The Post only talks about the earlier Egyptian attack. Plus, I suspect tabloid papers such as those have later deadlines than traditional broadsheets such as the Times-it's easier to reprint the front page for late breaking news.
 
2012-09-12 10:38:07 AM  

cryinoutloud: DarnoKonrad: Jesus Fark is getting bad.

Can we have some more stories about this one incident, please? There's nothing that makes us stronger against the extremists than fighting among ourselves.


An ambassador plus three killed?
That's reprisal material there. But Wackenhut is on the job: "The U.S. mission is very badly damaged and was being looted on Wednesday, said a contractor working at the mission, who asked not to be named for security reasons."

/"Contractor," who stood aside and let it happen.
 
2012-09-12 10:38:42 AM  

MFAWG: I just looked at the print edition of thee Seattle Times and it's about the arena deal.


Seems a little late for that doesn't it?
 
2012-09-12 10:38:58 AM  

Gulper Eel: cryinoutloud: There's nothing that makes us stronger against the extremists than fighting among ourselves.

Yeah, mobthink is far more effective.


You're deriving psychological pleasure from a childish attempt to wind people up about the death of a US envoy. Doesn't it ever cross your mind to be a little less selfish than useful when something bad happens?
 
2012-09-12 10:39:08 AM  

NewportBarGuy: MFAWG: I just looked at the print edition of thee Seattle Times and it's about the arena deal.

Figures. Stupid left-wing rag only cares about architecture!


Lol, hockey>crazy people
 
2012-09-12 10:39:21 AM  

Gulper Eel: hammettman: And said events may have occured after said deadline.

The NY Daily News and the NY Post got it up just fine.


Giving it below-fold status and giving peeping-tom shots top billing. This is on par with celebrity gossip, according to the Post and your own standards of judgment
 
2012-09-12 10:40:26 AM  
Yeah, totally there was no way to get that news on the front page before press time.

webmedia.newseum.org 

And the news about the first consulate employee killed broke at around 8:30, which is PLENTY of time for a newspaper with its shiat together to rework a front page.
 
2012-09-12 10:40:45 AM  

Gulper Eel: cryinoutloud: There's nothing that makes us stronger against the extremists than fighting among ourselves.

Yeah, mobthink is far more effective.


Do you dismiss any and all consensus as "mobthink"?
Indeed, what sort of prepubescent imbecile uses words like "mobthink" in conversation with adults?
 
2012-09-12 10:40:59 AM  

Tigger: Gulper Eel: cryinoutloud: There's nothing that makes us stronger against the extremists than fighting among ourselves.

Yeah, mobthink is far more effective.

You're deriving psychological pleasure from a childish attempt to wind people up about the death of a US envoy. Doesn't it ever cross your mind to be a little less selfish than useful when something bad happens?


The problem is that he's an asshole. Assholes tend to be assholes about things.
 
2012-09-12 10:41:15 AM  

Geotpf: Now, the Egyptian attack (which was more minor than the Libyan one) happened in the evening yesterday, New York time, but when did the Libyan one happen? I suspect it happened after this morning's paper had already gone to press.


CBS has a pretty thorough writeup, though grain of salt etc. due to it being a developing story.
 
2012-09-12 10:41:30 AM  
I remember the world wide riots from the Life of Brian movie.
 
2012-09-12 10:42:16 AM  
Sounds like we need to start stationing more Marines at our Middle Eastern embassies. A lot more. Also, no one thought of putting up an electrified fence to keep people from climbing over the top? We've been doing it wrong since we lost the embassy in Iran 40 years ago.
 
2012-09-12 10:42:28 AM  
You know, I'm all for helping out our allies and providing foreign aid....to those who farking deserve it. Diplomacy is a two way street and one should expect that a host country would do everything they can to protect foreign dignitaries in their country. It's time pull up stakes from the Middle East and face the fact that tying that regions oil reserves to national security is a self defeating policy. All of the money spent defending these people and they spit in our face. That money could best be spent at home instead of seeing flushed down the drain in that shiathole. Let's just get the fark out of way and let them have at each other. The world might be a better place.
 
2012-09-12 10:42:47 AM  

hammettman: Moopy Mac: Am I missing something?

"U.S Envoy to Libya Is Killed in Attack" is the top story on the front page.

NY Times front page

Tardmitter is using the printed front page, which was printed before the events happened.

Time/space continuum, how does it work?


Really, when you think about it, this is Obama's fault for not lending the NY Times his time machine. Of course if Romney was President they would be able to retroactively file to have their print edition front page recorded as showing coverage of the Ambassador's killing.
 
2012-09-12 10:43:06 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: cryinoutloud: DarnoKonrad: Jesus Fark is getting bad.

Can we have some more stories about this one incident, please? There's nothing that makes us stronger against the extremists than fighting among ourselves.

An ambassador plus three killed?
That's reprisal material there. But Wackenhut is on the job: "The U.S. mission is very badly damaged and was being looted on Wednesday, said a contractor working at the mission, who asked not to be named for security reasons."

/"Contractor," who stood aside and let it happen.


You expect some IT worker to stop a rampaging band of armed lunatics? I'm sure YOU would, but why would you expect that out of some contractor?
 
2012-09-12 10:43:19 AM  
4 Americans have died in service of their nation, clearly it's time we all pull together and agree to hate the NY Times.
 
2012-09-12 10:43:35 AM  
In the newspaper world, there is a thing called a replate.
But I wouldn't be surprised if staff cuts, both in the newsroom and in the pressrooms, have gutted the ability of even the NYTimes to be responsive to breaking news.
 
2012-09-12 10:43:45 AM  

Gulper Eel: Yeah, totally there was no way to get that news on the front page before press time.

[webmedia.newseum.org image 700x875] 

And the news about the first consulate employee killed broke at around 8:30, which is PLENTY of time for a newspaper with its shiat together to rework a front page.


This will certainly take down the Times.

Are we supposed to believe some liberal bias is to blame for this? Because they could have ran with Romney/Rinse Pubis being overjoyed to bring politics in to the murder of an ambassador.
 
2012-09-12 10:44:31 AM  
Benghazi and Cairo. Really, Muslims?

Back in 98, it was Tanzania and Kenya. You didn't f*ck around then. Now granted, embassies are more like Xanadu coated in polyurethane and surrounded by gators, electric fences, and RPG-toting brigades of Marines than they used to be, but we expected better from you.

We expected better.
 
2012-09-12 10:44:41 AM  
 
2012-09-12 10:45:00 AM  

Moopy Mac: You expect some IT worker to stop a rampaging band of armed lunatics? I'm sure YOU would, but why would you expect that out of some contractor?


Try a Wackenhut or Xe mercenary.
Why would an IT guy hang around to watch the American ambassador and three others get killed by a mob?
Think about it.
 
2012-09-12 10:45:00 AM  
That's how you troll a headline, folks. Well done.
 
2012-09-12 10:47:22 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Giving it below-fold status and giving peeping-tom shots top billing. This is on par with celebrity gossip, according to the Post and your own standards of judgment


The concept of below-the-fold applies to broadsheets, not tabloids. (citation)
 
2012-09-12 10:47:24 AM  
So, two things are now clear (although they were fairly obvious already) - Romney and his campaign aren't going to let any foolish old fashioned "water's edge" patriotism impact how they do business, and they know they are so far behind this is the only way they can hope to get back in it. I suspect it will cause more to share the President's purported distaste for the man as an intellectually and morally bereft lightweight. What an ITG.
 
2012-09-12 10:47:49 AM  

hammettman: Tardmitter is using the printed front page, which was printed before the events happened.


That's really, incredibly, amazingly dumb on the submitter's part. WTF? Because I'm looking at the NYT online right now and it's right there at the top. Seriously, submitter, have you gone mental?
 
2012-09-12 10:48:07 AM  
Well, I failed in my editing of a quote. Meh.
 
2012-09-12 10:48:39 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Moopy Mac: You expect some IT worker to stop a rampaging band of armed lunatics? I'm sure YOU would, but why would you expect that out of some contractor?

Try a Wackenhut or Xe mercenary.
Why would an IT guy hang around to watch the American ambassador and three others get killed by a mob?
Think about it.


More likely it is a local doing grunt work like the majority of employees at US embassies around the world.

/And there is no such thing as Xe anymore.
 
2012-09-12 10:49:09 AM  

Gulper Eel: The concept of below-the-fold applies to broadsheets, not tabloids.


I thought broads were the main audience for tabloids, no?
 
2012-09-12 10:49:45 AM  

skinnycatullus: the craven diplomatic response to it

I'm confused about what this is supposed to mean. The only official response I've seen has been condemnation.


They didn't have the marines massacre the mob with Mark 19 automatic grenade launchers. I think that would have played great on the evening news.
 
2012-09-12 10:50:04 AM  
So let's see if we can sort the timeline out as close as possible:

- A Jewish director, Sam Bacile (More like Im Becile), a California real estate developer who identifies himself as an Israeli Jew, wrote and directed a movie that depicts Muhammad as a pedo/womanizer/fraud. Which is probably true but let's be honest, an asshole thing to do.

- This movie was bankrolled by over 100 jewish donors and was promoted by Terry Jones, who if anyone has not heard the name before is a 'Christian' asshole who has incited international violence in the past and was on the Secret Service watch list.

- A 13-minute trailer for the film was first uploaded to YouTube in July, but did not receive much attention.

- A week ago the trailer got translated into Arabic and reposted on the same YouTube channel. Things get interesting-er.

- All of a sudden, super butthurt by Islamists as they start seeing the trailer.

- There's a protest last night at the Libyan embassy. There were obviously some security problems because some of the protesters were in fact terrorists from the Ansar al-Shari'ah organization.

- They got into the embassy and killed a bunch of people, including the US ambassador.

- The Egyptian embassy, also facing protests and not wanting to be murdered, denounced the hatred that was directed at Islam, obviously an attempt to defuse the situation there. "The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims - as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions," the embassy said in a statement published online.

- Mitt Romney, who knows nothing about international politics but is running for President and sees this as a chance to attack the president on foreign policy, said "I'm outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi," and went on to say, "It's disgraceful that the Obama administration's Weeners was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks." Which is just a bunch of spin.

- The US government said what Egypt said was not an official US stance.

- Hillary clarified the US's position and said "Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind."

- Some newspapers picked up on the killings late and didn't have time to get them to press.

And probably somewhere in the background some Israelis are sitting back in the aftermath of the attacks and evilly twiddling their thumbs.
 
2012-09-12 10:50:28 AM  

Moopy Mac: /And there is no such thing as Xe anymore.


Yeah. Changed its name again, no doubt.

/Only an apologist would know something like that. Or care.
 
2012-09-12 10:50:57 AM  

Gulper Eel: Yeah, totally there was no way to get that news on the front page before press time.


Do you ever get tired of getting outraged over stupid, inconsequential stuff?
 
2012-09-12 10:51:26 AM  

Gulper Eel: Yeah, totally there was no way to get that news on the front page before press time.

[webmedia.newseum.org image 700x875] 

And the news about the first consulate employee killed broke at around 8:30, which is PLENTY of time for a newspaper with its shiat together to rework a front page.


maybe having to apologize to their readers for cheerleading the invasion of Iraq is giving them pause on this one...
 
2012-09-12 10:51:56 AM  

Gulper Eel: NY Times headline for Armageddon: "WORLD ENDS: Women, Minorities Hardest Hit"


Also too"

ASTRONOMERS SAY ASTEROID TO HIT EARTH IN ONE YEAR. SOME DISAGREE.

Some being one or two creationists.
 
2012-09-12 10:52:13 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Moopy Mac: /And there is no such thing as Xe anymore.

Yeah. Changed its name again, no doubt.

/Only an apologist would know something like that. Or care.


Academi

/not an apologist
 
2012-09-12 10:52:33 AM  
Anyone find it depressing that international diplomacy and communications are now conducted via Twitter?
 
2012-09-12 10:52:39 AM  
Why not combine them? The story here should be a Romney hit-piece about his bullshiat statement regarding the attacks.
 
2012-09-12 10:52:41 AM  

bdub77:
Mitt Romney, who knows nothing about international politics but is running for President and sees this as a chance to attack the president on foreign policy, said "I'm outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi," and went on to say, "It's disgraceful that the Obama administrati ...


Also, Mitt Romney did not say anything about Obama's Weeners. :)
 
2012-09-12 10:53:51 AM  

dofus: Anyone find it depressing that international diplomacy and communications are now conducted via Twitter?


No. I find it sad that there are single sourcing multi-channel delivery mechanisms and the only one that gets reported on is the Tweet as if that is the only outlet for the information.
 
2012-09-12 10:53:58 AM  

Paul Baumer: So, two things are now clear (although they were fairly obvious already) - Romney and his campaign aren't going to let any foolish old fashioned "water's edge" patriotism impact how they do business, and they know they are so far behind this is the only way they can hope to get back in it. I suspect it will cause more to share the President's purported distaste for the man as an intellectually and morally bereft lightweight. What an ITG.


What else can he do? All he's got is some shoddy "the president is soft on terrorists!" narrative to run with. And if those responsible for the attack are quickly arrested, he'll have to downplay the importance of the whole incident and try to focus attention back on domestic issues. Either way he's forced to react to the administration's lead on foreign affairs - where they've been pretty solid in the past.
 
2012-09-12 10:54:54 AM  

bdub77: bdub77:
Mitt Romney, who knows nothing about international politics but is running for President and sees this as a chance to attack the president on foreign policy, said "I'm outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi," and went on to say, "It's disgraceful that the Obama administrati ...

Also, Mitt Romney did not say anything about Obama's Weeners. :)


Let's be honest. In the area of weeners, Romney is probably not going to be the one to come out ahead.
 
2012-09-12 10:55:46 AM  

Parthenogenetic: HotIgneous Intruder: Moopy Mac: /And there is no such thing as Xe anymore.

Yeah. Changed its name again, no doubt.

/Only an apologist would know something like that. Or care.

Academi

/not an apologist


If someone on fark went about changing his name every so often, there'd be a name for that.
Corporations with something to hide and protect, dissolve the entity and move on blameless, nothing to be proud of here! Move along imperial citizen.
 
2012-09-12 10:57:25 AM  
Putting aside the bullshiat politics for a second...isn't attacking and killing an ambassador an act of war?
 
2012-09-12 10:57:45 AM  

Moopy Mac: Am I missing something?

"U.S Envoy to Libya Is Killed in Attack" is the top story on the front page.

NY Times front page


The lame stream media is covering up Obama's failures. Don't fark with the narrative.
 
2012-09-12 10:57:59 AM  

Moopy Mac: Am I missing something?

"U.S Envoy to Libya Is Killed in Attack" is the top story on the front page.

NY Times front page


You're missing that subby doesn't know how print media works.
 
2012-09-12 10:58:16 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Parthenogenetic: HotIgneous Intruder: Moopy Mac: /And there is no such thing as Xe anymore.

Yeah. Changed its name again, no doubt.

/Only an apologist would know something like that. Or care.

Academi

/not an apologist

If someone on fark went about changing his name every so often, there'd be a name for that.
Corporations with something to hide and protect, dissolve the entity and move on blameless, nothing to be proud of here! Move along imperial citizen.


You leave PhilHerup / HellBentForLeather / AfternoonDelight / GatoNegro / tenpoundsofderp out of this!
 
2012-09-12 10:58:46 AM  

Dalrint: Putting aside the bullshiat politics for a second...isn't attacking and killing an ambassador an act of war?


Only if it was ordered by a Nation.
 
2012-09-12 10:59:08 AM  
I just heard Obama's address on the 4 deaths.

Very presidential.

Any chance this latest action will make RW retards rethink their clever plan of trolling the Islamic world on a regular basis?

/Yeah, I didn't think so either.
 
2012-09-12 10:59:39 AM  

Dalrint: Putting aside the bullshiat politics for a second...isn't attacking and killing an ambassador an act of war?


Assuming the intent was to do that, probably. Who are you going to declare war on? Islam?

Sigh. Remember when violent attacks were clearly originated from a sovereignty? It's been awhile. Good times.
 
2012-09-12 10:59:44 AM  

hammettman: Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 348x640] 

The Front Page of the NYT in Submitter's link. I see nothing anywhere about it.

Dear dumbass and tardmitter and all butthurt knuckledraggers, you do realize that papers are printed on a deadline, don't you? And said events may have occured after said deadline. And that even Obama and his magical time machine can't go back and change a paper once it's printed. You do realize these things, don't you?????


Yes, of course, they know that. But they're going to ignore the facts so they can attack the Administration. Does this surprise anyone?
 
2012-09-12 10:59:53 AM  
FlashHarry


i love how the romneybots have already come out and said that obama's response is "craven" when in fact he condemned it harshly. way to turn the death of an american patriot into a political point, you scumbags.


Don't be an idiot, this is a political situation and it should be pointed out how weak the Administration's response has been. Thanks for promoting the Arab Spring, Thanks alot PBO.
 
2012-09-12 11:00:07 AM  

skinnycatullus: Gulper Eel: With some blubbering about abusing the freedom of speech.

That statement was issued before any attack took place, so I'm not sure how that can reasonably be considered a response to the attacks.


And it was not a statement. It was a fricking tweet sent by a scared person inside the embassy. Hillary Clinton issued a formal statement saying it was not policy three minutes before Mitt's team decided to joyously make political hay out of American blood.
 
2012-09-12 11:00:09 AM  

mrshowrules: Dalrint: Putting aside the bullshiat politics for a second...isn't attacking and killing an ambassador an act of war?

Only if it was ordered by a Nation.


Well, its always an act of war. When it isn't done by a nation it just makes it more complicated. The nature of the event doesn't change, your options for responses do.
 
2012-09-12 11:00:20 AM  
I'm outraged that the NYT didn't use Obama's time machine to go back and change the front page of their print edition.
 
2012-09-12 11:00:39 AM  

Dalrint: Putting aside the bullshiat politics for a second...isn't attacking and killing an ambassador an act of war?


Yes, but the ambassador wasn't killed by a state actor...so yeah.
 
2012-09-12 11:02:09 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: mrshowrules: Dalrint: Putting aside the bullshiat politics for a second...isn't attacking and killing an ambassador an act of war?

Only if it was ordered by a Nation.

Well, its always an act of war. When it isn't done by a nation it just makes it more complicated. The nature of the event doesn't change, your options for responses do.


Yeah it kind of does. Who do you plan to declare war on.
 
2012-09-12 11:02:44 AM  

quatchi:
Any chance this latest action will make RW retards rethink their clever plan of trolling the Islamic world on a regular basis?


Attacking the president-hugging-pizza-guy on Facebook probably gets boring after a while.
 
2012-09-12 11:02:46 AM  

Dalrint: Putting aside the bullshiat politics for a second...isn't attacking and killing an ambassador an act of war?


Yes. It is. However every act of war does not lead to war. If it did the US would be at war with a great many countries of the world due to our actions.
 
2012-09-12 11:02:58 AM  

Geotpf: And the news about the first consulate employee killed broke at around 8:30, which is PLENTY of time for a newspaper with its shiat together to rework a front page.

8:30 Eastern or 8:30 Pacific? 8:30 Eastern you have a point. 8:30 Pacific is 11:30 Eastern and probably past deadline.


It's the New York Times, so that'd be Eastern.

Most papers go to press in the 10:30-11:30 window, especially if they have evening events to cover like sports. This article has the LA Times trying something different - 6p press time with an 11:30 late-breaking section.

The Wall Street Journal does something similar, but they put the late-breaking stuff in a couple columns on the left side of the front page above the fold.

And yes, the Journal had the story up in print this morning.

Also, newspapers will not hesitate to pull their delivery trucks back and do their front pages over in the middle of the night if their lead story has been overtaken by events. The Times decided not to do that.

FYI: the print version of the Times does have the story. It's buried on page A4 according to this synopsis, sharing space with a far more peaceful and unrelated protest in Hungary.
 
2012-09-12 11:03:16 AM  

Buffalo77: FlashHarry


i love how the romneybots have already come out and said that obama's response is "craven" when in fact he condemned it harshly. way to turn the death of an american patriot into a political point, you scumbags.


Don't be an idiot, this is a political situation and it should be pointed out how weak the Administration's response has been. Thanks for promoting the Arab Spring, Thanks alot PBO.


What is the proper response?
 
2012-09-12 11:03:30 AM  

mrshowrules: Dalrint: Putting aside the bullshiat politics for a second...isn't attacking and killing an ambassador an act of war?

Only if it was ordered by a Nation.


Hmm. So if you had an embassy you wanted to remove or an ambassador you wanted to kill, the trick would be to quietly rally up a riot and send them in that direction.

No intent no foul, right?
 
2012-09-12 11:03:35 AM  

quatchi: I just heard Obama's address on the 4 deaths.

Very presidential.


I believe I heard a journalist shout, after the speech, 'Was this an act of war?"
 
2012-09-12 11:04:31 AM  
.isn't attacking and killing an ambassador an act of war?

Sooo....invade Iraq again?
 
2012-09-12 11:04:41 AM  

Fart_Machine: Wicked Chinchilla: mrshowrules: Dalrint: Putting aside the bullshiat politics for a second...isn't attacking and killing an ambassador an act of war?

Only if it was ordered by a Nation.

Well, its always an act of war. When it isn't done by a nation it just makes it more complicated. The nature of the event doesn't change, your options for responses do.

Yeah it kind of does. Who do you plan to declare war on.


That's why its more complicated.

Its an act of war because: US sovereignty was violated, US personel were killed. Those are unchangeable facts regardless of those responsible.
 
2012-09-12 11:05:14 AM  
This thread looks like me with severe PMS. Keep up the good work.
 
2012-09-12 11:05:19 AM  
This instigating American preacher is going to get his idiot ass stabbed if he's not careful.

And not a single fark will be given.
 
2012-09-12 11:05:22 AM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 348x640] 

The Front Page of the NYT in Submitter's link. I see nothing anywhere about it.


Maybe the should have bumped the 9/11 reference.

Or the Iran story.

Sure, they could have replaced the Romney/Vietnam story, but then we'd hear biatching about the story being "below the fold."

Thank God we have Fox News, which has this as "Latest News:"

EXCLUSIVE: Did Obama administration endanger heroes of bin Laden raid, SEAL Team Six?

I didn't know a question counted as "news," but okay.
 
2012-09-12 11:05:28 AM  

Dalrint: Putting aside the bullshiat politics for a second...isn't attacking and killing an ambassador an act of war?


If the Libyan government had stormed the embassy, then probably. But it was a terrorist organization, so there's not really anything to declare war on.
 
2012-09-12 11:05:48 AM  

Infernalist: This instigating American preacher is going to get his idiot ass stabbed if he's not careful.

And not a single fark will be given.


On that day, nothing of value will be lost.
 
2012-09-12 11:05:54 AM  

I_C_Weener: skinnycatullus: Gulper Eel: With some blubbering about abusing the freedom of speech.

That statement was issued before any attack took place, so I'm not sure how that can reasonably be considered a response to the attacks.

The embassy response was before the riot?  It was just about the film outrage?  That gives it some perspective.  Still a stupid apology for a private citizens YouTube video.  But not a response to the riots right or wrong. Are you sure?


It was an attempt to calm the protests before they turned violent. Obviously it didn't work. Not something even remotely worth condeming, much less condeming OBAMA over.
 
2012-09-12 11:05:58 AM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: hammettman: Moopy Mac: Am I missing something?

"U.S Envoy to Libya Is Killed in Attack" is the top story on the front page.

NY Times front page

Tardmitter is using the printed front page, which was printed before the events happened.

Time/space continuum, how does it work?

Really, when you think about it, this is Obama's fault for not lending the NY Times his time machine. Of course if Romney was President they would be able to retroactively file to have their print edition front page recorded as showing coverage of the Ambassador's killing.


Don't be silly. They only use the Time Machine for important stuff. For example they used it to start a hurricane headed right for the GOP convention. They know that under Chaos Theory, a small change can have big consequences later. So they send Obama back in time to take a leak way out in the Atlantic at just the right spot, then jump forward to see if a hurricane formed. If not, they send him back to take another leak in a slightly different spot. That does use up a lot of Obama's timeline time though, so he does not have much Obama time to do anything else in his timeline. Duh.
 
2012-09-12 11:06:11 AM  

vernonFL: Tehran 1979, Beirut 1982

Cairo and Benghazi 2012.


Guess we should do what Reagan did in 1982 - cut and run.
 
2012-09-12 11:06:12 AM  

Dalrint: mrshowrules: Dalrint: Putting aside the bullshiat politics for a second...isn't attacking and killing an ambassador an act of war?

Only if it was ordered by a Nation.

Hmm. So if you had an embassy you wanted to remove or an ambassador you wanted to kill, the trick would be to quietly rally up a riot and send them in that direction.

No intent no foul, right?


You had intent. That's why you ginned up the riot. Of course, if no one found out you would get away with it. If not....
 
2012-09-12 11:06:12 AM  

Buffalo77: FlashHarry


i love how the romneybots have already come out and said that obama's response is "craven" when in fact he condemned it harshly. way to turn the death of an american patriot into a political point, you scumbags.


Don't be an idiot, this is a political situation and it should be pointed out how weak the Administration's response has been. Thanks for promoting the Arab Spring, Thanks alot PBO.


*puts Buffalo77 on the list of people who support violent dictators*
 
2012-09-12 11:06:23 AM  

Dalrint: mrshowrules: Dalrint: Putting aside the bullshiat politics for a second...isn't attacking and killing an ambassador an act of war?

Only if it was ordered by a Nation.

Hmm. So if you had an embassy you wanted to remove or an ambassador you wanted to kill, the trick would be to quietly rally up a riot and send them in that direction.

No intent no foul, right?


Only if you don't mind a few drone strikes coming in your direction.
 
2012-09-12 11:07:04 AM  

Dalrint: mrshowrules: Dalrint: Putting aside the bullshiat politics for a second...isn't attacking and killing an ambassador an act of war?

Only if it was ordered by a Nation.

Hmm. So if you had an embassy you wanted to remove or an ambassador you wanted to kill, the trick would be to quietly rally up a riot and send them in that direction.

No intent no foul, right?


If they could prove that indeed state agents were behind the attack, no that would constitute an act of war. Can we prove this is the case here?
 
2012-09-12 11:07:22 AM  

Gulper Eel: hammettman: And said events may have occured after said deadline.

The NY Daily News and the NY Post got it up just fine.


Do they have print editions produced all over the country?
 
2012-09-12 11:07:48 AM  

someonelse: Dalrint: mrshowrules: Dalrint: Putting aside the bullshiat politics for a second...isn't attacking and killing an ambassador an act of war?

Only if it was ordered by a Nation.

Hmm. So if you had an embassy you wanted to remove or an ambassador you wanted to kill, the trick would be to quietly rally up a riot and send them in that direction.

No intent no foul, right?

Only if you don't mind a few drone strikes coming in your direction.


We shoot missiles in their general direction.
 
2012-09-12 11:08:17 AM  

Aar1012: quatchi: I just heard Obama's address on the 4 deaths.

Very presidential.

I believe I heard a journalist shout, after the speech, 'Was this an act of war?"


Against who? Do they even have a government right now?
 
2012-09-12 11:08:46 AM  

cryinoutloud: This thread looks like me with severe PMS. Keep up the good work.


I am PMSing like a mofo right now, so I got a kick out of your post. Also, SHUT THE F*CK UP AND LEAVE ME ALONE! WHO ATE ALL THE ICE CREAM, DAMMIT!
 
2012-09-12 11:09:16 AM  
It was a bunch of yahoos and hooligans, how do you declare war on them?
 
2012-09-12 11:09:38 AM  

Fart_Machine: Dalrint: mrshowrules: Dalrint: Putting aside the bullshiat politics for a second...isn't attacking and killing an ambassador an act of war?

Only if it was ordered by a Nation.

Hmm. So if you had an embassy you wanted to remove or an ambassador you wanted to kill, the trick would be to quietly rally up a riot and send them in that direction.

No intent no foul, right?

If they could prove that indeed state agents were behind the attack, no that would constitute an act of war. Can we prove this is the case here?


No, his post was a hypothetical.

Actually, the Libyan government is rather pro-US/pro-Western right now for all the help in ousting Ghaddafi and getting the government up and running. They have made statements it was a terrorist group/members of previous government.

Take it all with a grain of salt, but I would consider it exceedingly unlikely if the new Libyan government was behind this in any sense.
 
2012-09-12 11:10:41 AM  
Act of War is simply a justification for war. It does not mean war is automatically declared.

A pancake is a pancake, it does not mean you are eating breakfast at the time.
 
2012-09-12 11:11:28 AM  

Dalrint: Putting aside the bullshiat politics for a second...isn't attacking and killing an ambassador an act of war?


It would be if a government did it - it's not really clear who was responsible yet, I think.
 
2012-09-12 11:11:45 AM  

Infernalist: This instigating American preacher is going to get his idiot ass stabbed if he's not careful we're lucky.


/ftfy
/hope they find this sorry bastard OD'd in a bathhouse with 3 Thai boys
 
2012-09-12 11:11:50 AM  

cryinoutloud: DarnoKonrad: Jesus Fark is getting bad.

Can we have some more stories about this one incident, please? There's nothing that makes us stronger against the extremists than fighting among ourselves.


www.fencedude.com

Bian Zoldark approves.
/hot like the Alt Eisen's horn
 
2012-09-12 11:12:10 AM  

Gulper Eel: hammettman: And said events may have occured after said deadline.

The NY Daily News and the NY Post got it up just fine.


But the WSJ didn't. They got a small piece in the sidebar about the violence before the "big news," but that's it.

The NYT and WSJ both have national distribution. Their deadlines are probably different.

Maybe you should ask Rupert Murdoch.
 
2012-09-12 11:12:44 AM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Against who? Do they even have a government right now?


Never stopped the US from getting into a stupid war before (see Afghanistan).

Cable news media are creaming their jeans at the possibility to get into another pointless military conflict. It's about time, ratings have been dropping for a while and the Presidential Election is increasingly looking like a dud. Time to sacrifice some young men and women to the Sweeps Week God.
 
2012-09-12 11:13:14 AM  

Aar1012: quatchi: I just heard Obama's address on the 4 deaths.

Very presidential.

I believe I heard a "journalist" shout, after the speech, 'Was this an act of war?"


You forgot your punctuation.
 
2012-09-12 11:13:34 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: Act of War is simply a justification for war. It does not mean war is automatically declared.

A pancake is a pancake, it does not mean you are eating breakfast at the time.


war is something governments wage if it's just random people doing something it is just vandalism and assault and murder
 
2012-09-12 11:13:47 AM  

bdub77: So let's see if we can sort the timeline out as close as possible:

- A Jewish director, Sam Bacile (More like Im Becile), a California real estate developer who identifies himself as an Israeli Jew, wrote and directed a movie that depicts Muhammad as a pedo/womanizer/fraud. Which is probably true but let's be honest, an asshole thing to do.

- This movie was bankrolled by over 100 jewish donors and was promoted by Terry Jones, who if anyone has not heard the name before is a 'Christian' asshole who has incited international violence in the past and was on the Secret Service watch list.

- A 13-minute trailer for the film was first uploaded to YouTube in July, but did not receive much attention.

- A week ago the trailer got translated into Arabic and reposted on the same YouTube channel. Things get interesting-er.

- All of a sudden, super butthurt by Islamists as they start seeing the trailer.

- There's a protest last night at the Libyan embassy. There were obviously some security problems because some of the protesters were in fact terrorists from the Ansar al-Shari'ah organization.

- They got into the embassy and killed a bunch of people, including the US ambassador.

- The Egyptian embassy, also facing protests and not wanting to be murdered, denounced the hatred that was directed at Islam, obviously an attempt to defuse the situation there. "The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims - as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions," the embassy said in a statement published online.

- Mitt Romney, who knows nothing about international politics but is running for President and sees this as a chance to attack the president on foreign policy, said "I'm outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi," and went on to say, "It's disgraceful that the Obama administrati ...


Damn if his is accurate, thats farked up.

This timeline should be on the frontpage of the NYT.
 
2012-09-12 11:14:10 AM  

Paul Baumer: Dalrint: Putting aside the bullshiat politics for a second...isn't attacking and killing an ambassador an act of war?

It would be if a government did it - it's not really clear who was responsible yet, I think.


Whether it is deliberate or not defines whether its an act of war or not.

Again, an Act of War is simply a descriptor meaning "this kind of thing happens in a war/when you declare a war, giving you a justification for retaliation"

It does NOT mean you are automatically at war with the perpetrator.

This is why non-state actors complicate things.

Once more to the breakfast analogy:
A pancake is always a pancake. But when you are eating a pancake you are not always eating breakfast.
 
2012-09-12 11:15:04 AM  
Subby's definition of "craven:"

The White House

Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
September 12, 2012
Statement by the President on the Attack in Benghazi

I strongly condemn the outrageous attack on our diplomatic facility in Benghazi, which took the lives of four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens. Right now, the American people have the families of those we lost in our thoughts and prayers. They exemplified America's commitment to freedom, justice, and partnership with nations and people around the globe, and stand in stark contrast to those who callously took their lives.

I have directed my Administration to provide all necessary resources to support the security of our personnel in Libya, and to increase security at our diplomatic posts around the globe. While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants.

On a personal note, Chris was a courageous and exemplary representative of the United States. Throughout the Libyan revolution, he selflessly served our country and the Libyan people at our mission in Benghazi. As Ambassador in Tripoli, he has supported Libya's transition to democracy. His legacy will endure wherever human beings reach for liberty and justice. I am profoundly grateful for his service to my Administration, and deeply saddened by this loss.

The brave Americans we lost represent the extraordinary service and sacrifices that our civilians make every day around the globe. As we stand united with their families, let us now redouble our own efforts to carry their work forward.


Guess nothing short of a mass bombing raid on Benghazi will satisfy the stupid.
 
2012-09-12 11:15:47 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: Guess we should do what Reagan did in 1982 - cut and run.


In these cases, I would. Close down the embassies and evacuate all staff. Stop giving the governments money.
 
2012-09-12 11:17:21 AM  

Fart_Machine: Can we prove this is the case here?


img259.imageshack.us
 
2012-09-12 11:17:58 AM  

Headso: Wicked Chinchilla: Act of War is simply a justification for war. It does not mean war is automatically declared.

A pancake is a pancake, it does not mean you are eating breakfast at the time.

war is something governments wage if it's just random people doing something it is just vandalism and assault and murder


War:

1) a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air.
2.) a state or period of armed hostility or active military operations: The two nations were at war with each other.
3.) a contest carried on by force of arms, as in a series of battles or campaigns: the War of 1812.
4.) active hostility or contention; conflict; contest: a war of words.
5.) aggressive business conflict, as through severe price cutting in the same industry or any other means of undermining competitors: a fare war among airlines; a trade war between nations.

Killing people could be assault or vandalism. They killed an Ambassador and Embassy personel. That confers it greater meaning.
 
2012-09-12 11:18:16 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: Gulper Eel: hammettman: And said events may have occured after said deadline.

The NY Daily News and the NY Post got it up just fine.

But the WSJ didn't. They got a small piece in the sidebar about the violence before the "big news," but that's it.

The NYT and WSJ both have national distribution. Their deadlines are probably different.

Maybe you should ask Rupert Murdoch.


I have a feeling his outrage over the WSJ isn't gonna happen.
 
2012-09-12 11:18:17 AM  
Dear People Younger Than 25,

A "newspaper" is a relic of the old world that is printed and then becomes unchangeable. It's sort of like a blog, only with yesterday's news, and more papery.
 
2012-09-12 11:19:51 AM  

Gulper Eel: Somacandra: In the heat of rapidly changing cultural conditions

Rapidly changing? Looks like their culture's still stuck somewhere around 800 AD.


I have to say that I am just thrilled, that fat f*ck Gulper Eel, located safely behind his freedom laptop is able to sternly, (but fairly) judge people who were just trying to save their lives 3,000 miles away.
 
2012-09-12 11:20:00 AM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Aar1012: quatchi: I just heard Obama's address on the 4 deaths.

Very presidential.

I believe I heard a journalist shout, after the speech, 'Was this an act of war?"

Against who? Do they even have a government right now?


According to Google - A provisional one.

/And, no, I don't believe that this should lead to war
 
2012-09-12 11:21:37 AM  
It would appear that the GOP leadership didn't have quite the same pussified ITG outrage at the President the campaign did - Link
 
2012-09-12 11:22:00 AM  
"Craven diplomatic response"? So, subby means that a person got scared when there's a raving mob trying to break in? Subby thinks he wouldn't have crapped his own shorts? Way to support our people overseas.

If subby is talking about the State Department Response, Hillary Clinton clarified what our response really is. That response was published three minutes before Mitt & Co. decided to exploit the blood of Americans for political gain. It was all of 21 minutes after Clinton's published response that the Romeny campaign told the press to go ahead and print their lies and show they revel in the death of Americans.
 
2012-09-12 11:22:36 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: Headso: Wicked Chinchilla: Act of War is simply a justification for war. It does not mean war is automatically declared.

A pancake is a pancake, it does not mean you are eating breakfast at the time.

war is something governments wage if it's just random people doing something it is just vandalism and assault and murder

War:

1) a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air.
2.) a state or period of armed hostility or active military operations: The two nations were at war with each other.
3.) a contest carried on by force of arms, as in a series of battles or campaigns: the War of 1812.
4.) active hostility or contention; conflict; contest: a war of words.
5.) aggressive business conflict, as through severe price cutting in the same industry or any other means of undermining competitors: a fare war among airlines; a trade war between nations.

Killing people could be assault or vandalism. They killed an Ambassador and Embassy personel. That confers it greater meaning.


Technically correct is the best kind of correct.

Although for any rational person waging war against an entire nation based on the actions of a few hooligans isn't a very good justification.
 
2012-09-12 11:25:32 AM  

quatchi: Any chance this latest action will make RW retards rethink their clever plan of trolling the Islamic world on a regular basis?


I'm pretty sure this is exactly what they wanted. Terry Jones has probably jizzed all over his mutton chops several times by now.
 
2012-09-12 11:26:47 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: Killing people could be assault or vandalism. They killed an Ambassador and Embassy personel. That confers it greater meaning.


Some random person kills an ambassador doesn't mean they have the authority to speak for the nation but those Libyans that do have that authority have condemned the killing. Libya's Prime Minister Abdurrahim el-Keib apologized "to the American people and the government, and also to the rest of the world" for the "cowardly criminal act."... Seems like an irresponsible statement and fear mongering to call this an act of war.
 
2012-09-12 11:26:53 AM  
Hey, I got a chance to see that video. Are we SURE these riots are about Islam and not just about what a truly crappy little high school production that video was? I know I felt a little more violent after having to sit through those "actors'" performance.
 
2012-09-12 11:28:22 AM  
I just made this thread much shorter, and I recommend you all do the same.
 
2012-09-12 11:28:58 AM  
 
2012-09-12 11:30:42 AM  

LockeOak: I just made this thread much shorter, and I recommend you all do the same.


Pagination is for the weak.

Wait, what?
 
2012-09-12 11:32:24 AM  

NateGrey: Republicans and Al Qaeda are cheering American deaths.


To: SE Mom
One man in the USA is sleeping well tonight, Ex-President Jimmy Carter!
He is no longer the dumbest SOB President we ever had.
The Communistic Muslim loving Bastard that has slithered into our White House has now surpassed even his own expectations to place us in the most dire position, to become a true Third World Country!
God Bless this country and deliver us from this evil!

63 posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:50:59 PM by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO, same for RINOs)
 
2012-09-12 11:32:44 AM  
Gonna have to make visiting the pyramids 50 of 50 on the bucket list, just in case.
 
2012-09-12 11:33:19 AM  

vernonFL: Tehran 1979, Beirut 1982

Cairo and Benghazi 2012.


hike?
 
2012-09-12 11:33:50 AM  

Buffalo77: FlashHarry


i love how the romneybots have already come out and said that obama's response is "craven" when in fact he condemned it harshly. way to turn the death of an american patriot into a political point, you scumbags.


Don't be an idiot, this is a political situation and it should be pointed out how weak the Administration's response has been. Thanks for promoting the Arab Spring, Thanks alot PBO.


Difficulty, you have absolutely no reason to believe these attack would not have occurred if Qaddaffi was still in charge. Zero. Zip. Nada.

As for Obama, right this minute, the Libyan government is so afraid of Obama's pimp hand that they are cowering and agreeing to do whatever we ask to hunt down and get the people involved, fellow Muslims, in their country. They are pissing themselves worrying that Obama will not only send the SEALs to get the rioters involved, which he most likely will do given he does not give a fark about Libyan Juris-my-dick-tion, but that they will wake up with a laser dot on their heads from the barrel of a MP-5. They are so terrified of Obama that they sent their military to protect OUR embassy from THEIR citizens.

That is why Obama is to be feared and respected above all others, especially that magic-underwear wearing Mormon moron, Romney.
 
2012-09-12 11:35:42 AM  

NateGrey: Republicans and Al Qaeda are cheering American deaths.


AHH I just clicked a Freeper link!

My computer must be cleansed!

/Stupid Safari not telling me what the link is
 
2012-09-12 11:36:27 AM  

Headso: Wicked Chinchilla: Killing people could be assault or vandalism. They killed an Ambassador and Embassy personel. That confers it greater meaning.

Some random person kills an ambassador doesn't mean they have the authority to speak for the nation but those Libyans that do have that authority have condemned the killing. Libya's Prime Minister Abdurrahim el-Keib apologized "to the American people and the government, and also to the rest of the world" for the "cowardly criminal act."... Seems like an irresponsible statement and fear mongering to call this an act of war.


Oh man.

I am not blaming it on the Libyan Government.

Read what I am writing.

It being an Act of War, and how we respond to said act of war are two entirely different pieces in the puzzle that is the incident as a whole.

Regardless of who was responsible, a US consulate was deliberately attacked resulting in the deaths of the Ambassador and 3 staffers. Thats all of the relevant information necessary to give it the nebulous term "Act of War." No matter what, those facts are inviolate and will NOT change.

Now we get to the complicated part. Because it is exceedingly unlikely the attack was a result of any government our response cannot and will not be simple. We can't diplomatically scold anyone, surgically strike infrastructure, formally protest to the UN. We have very, very few options for a response.

Thats it.
 
2012-09-12 11:38:42 AM  

Aar1012: NateGrey: Republicans and Al Qaeda are cheering American deaths.

AHH I just clicked a Freeper link!

My computer must be cleansed!

/Stupid Safari not telling me what the link is


Dude, I warned you. I posted one of the more "enlightened" posts from some Freeptard.
 
2012-09-12 11:40:13 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: Now we get to the complicated part. Because it is exceedingly unlikely the attack was a result of any government our response cannot and will not be simple. We can't diplomatically scold anyone, surgically strike infrastructure, formally protest to the UN. We have very, very few options for a response.


Obama will do what Obama always does: he will bring the evil-doers to justice. With or without the help of the Libyan government, certain people in Libya are going to be woken up in the dead of night by big, scary men, with big, scary guns, have a black bag placed over their heads, and they will...disappear. Count on it.
 
2012-09-12 11:41:04 AM  

coeyagi: Kazan: fark you farking muslim extremists, and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Muhammad.

This could be Mad Fark Libs.

fark you farking Mormon extremists and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Joseph Smith.


snap
 
2012-09-12 11:41:20 AM  
The Libyans should pull a Grand Fenwick and immediately surrender to us and let us rebuild their country for them.
 
2012-09-12 11:41:39 AM  
A team of quiet, well-trained individuals with sharp knives and malicious intent should be turned loose within Libya to ensure matters are taken care of. Basically, we need about 50 Liam Neesons, except with real-world experience in making people disappear.
 
2012-09-12 11:41:51 AM  
This is all because of Obama's failure to lead.

And I'm completely read to believe this, if you can tell me what it even means.
 
2012-09-12 11:42:03 AM  
in the slate article
"It's a simple story, but it's got enough moving parts to be worth retelling in brief. So:

- A group of Coptic Christians, now understandably in hiding, released a baffling satirical video that mocked Muhummad. (You can see the video here.)


- Over several days, the video plays about as well as the 2006 "Danish cartoons" did. Early on Tuesday, the U.S. embassy in Egypt (home to many Coptics) releases a statement that "condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims." (The embassy itself, as CNBC reports, had been partially emptied before the statement was made.) The statement is tweeted at 6:11 a.m. Eastern time."

so are these additional players
or is the story changing already

earlier posting
bdub77: So let's see if we can sort the timeline out as close as possible:

- A Jewish director, Sam Bacile (More like Im Becile), a California real estate developer who identifies himself as an Israeli Jew, wrote and directed a movie that depicts Muhammad as a pedo/womanizer/fraud. Which is probably true but let's be honest, an asshole thing to do.

- This movie was bankrolled by over 100 jewish donors and was promoted by Terry Jones, who if anyone has not heard the name before is a 'Christian' asshole who has incited international violence in the past and was on the Secret Service watch list.

 
2012-09-12 11:42:11 AM  
Rmoney done blew another lay up.
 
2012-09-12 11:43:02 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: Headso: Wicked Chinchilla: Killing people could be assault or vandalism. They killed an Ambassador and Embassy personel. That confers it greater meaning.

Some random person kills an ambassador doesn't mean they have the authority to speak for the nation but those Libyans that do have that authority have condemned the killing. Libya's Prime Minister Abdurrahim el-Keib apologized "to the American people and the government, and also to the rest of the world" for the "cowardly criminal act."... Seems like an irresponsible statement and fear mongering to call this an act of war.

Oh man.

I am not blaming it on the Libyan Government.

Read what I am writing.

It being an Act of War, and how we respond to said act of war are two entirely different pieces in the puzzle that is the incident as a whole.

Regardless of who was responsible, a US consulate was deliberately attacked resulting in the deaths of the Ambassador and 3 staffers. Thats all of the relevant information necessary to give it the nebulous term "Act of War." No matter what, those facts are inviolate and will NOT change.

Now we get to the complicated part. Because it is exceedingly unlikely the attack was a result of any government our response cannot and will not be simple. We can't diplomatically scold anyone, surgically strike infrastructure, formally protest to the UN. We have very, very few options for a response.

Thats it.


If it wasn't order by a nation or somebody acting on behalf of a nation, it's a criminal act, not an act of war.
 
2012-09-12 11:43:33 AM  

coeyagi: Kazan: fark you farking muslim extremists, and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Muhammad.

This could be Mad Fark Libs.

fark you farking Mormon extremists and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Joseph Smith.


fark you farking Nittany Lion extremists and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Jerry Sandusky.
 
2012-09-12 11:44:15 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: Now we get to the complicated part. Because it is exceedingly unlikely the attack was a result of any government our response cannot and will not be simple. We can't diplomatically scold anyone, surgically strike infrastructure, formally protest to the UN. We have very, very few options for a response.


This is why terrorism must be addressed as a matter of law enforcement not one of military (war) response. The difference may seem subtle but it makes all the difference in the world.

Until the heads in this nation wrap themselves around that fact we will chase our tails pausing only the times we get lucky and chomp down biting ourselves.

And the same goes for any "war on (insert abstract idea here)". It's both incorrect and counterproductive.
 
2012-09-12 11:47:27 AM  

MurphyMurphy: This is why terrorism must be addressed as a matter of law enforcement not one of military (war) response. The difference may seem subtle but it makes all the difference in the world.

Until the heads in this nation wrap themselves around that fact we will chase our tails pausing only the times we get lucky and chomp down biting ourselves.

And the same goes for any "war on (insert abstract idea here)". It's both incorrect and counterproductive.


Its both. We have decimated Al Qaeda militarily in areas where we can't get them to arrest them. There is a reason they choose remote shiatholes to hole up in. Unfortunately, this means killing innocents with the bad guys.

But we do need to do good intelligence work to track down and find these guys and arrest, if possible, and kill, if not. And, btw, this is exactly what is happening.
 
2012-09-12 11:47:32 AM  

Geotpf: If it wasn't order by a nation or somebody acting on behalf of a nation, it's a criminal act, not an act of war.


The 9/11 AUMF was an exercise of war powers against a non-state actor.
 
2012-09-12 11:49:34 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Wicked Chinchilla: Now we get to the complicated part. Because it is exceedingly unlikely the attack was a result of any government our response cannot and will not be simple. We can't diplomatically scold anyone, surgically strike infrastructure, formally protest to the UN. We have very, very few options for a response.

This is why terrorism must be addressed as a matter of law enforcement not one of military (war) response. The difference may seem subtle but it makes all the difference in the world.

Until the heads in this nation wrap themselves around that fact we will chase our tails pausing only the times we get lucky and chomp down biting ourselves.

And the same goes for any "war on (insert abstract idea here)". It's both incorrect and counterproductive.


I absolutely agree, unless said terrorism is ordered by, or in any way supported by, a government. For example, the Tailban and al Queda were close to one in the same, so 9/11 was an act of war by the de facto government of Afghanistan and an invasion of such was absolutely justified, IMHO.

There's no indication that the Libyian or Egyptian governments supported these attacks, so that caveat doesn't apply in this case.
 
2012-09-12 11:49:52 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Wicked Chinchilla: Now we get to the complicated part. Because it is exceedingly unlikely the attack was a result of any government our response cannot and will not be simple. We can't diplomatically scold anyone, surgically strike infrastructure, formally protest to the UN. We have very, very few options for a response.

This is why terrorism must be addressed as a matter of law enforcement not one of military (war) response. The difference may seem subtle but it makes all the difference in the world.

Until the heads in this nation wrap themselves around that fact we will chase our tails pausing only the times we get lucky and chomp down biting ourselves.

And the same goes for any "war on (insert abstract idea here)". It's both incorrect and counterproductive.


Totally agree.
 
2012-09-12 11:50:37 AM  

Somacandra:  

The Front Page of the NYT in Submitter's link. I see nothing anywhere about it.


Man newspapers are the craziest things, they actually take time to be printed and delivered, so sometimes they miss news that happens late.
 
2012-09-12 11:50:44 AM  
www.eodas.com
I'm a drone
 
2012-09-12 11:51:46 AM  
www.eodas.com
I'm a drone
 
2012-09-12 11:52:23 AM  
dronewarsuk.files.wordpress.com
Suck my dick
 
2012-09-12 11:53:10 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: Now we get to the complicated part. Because it is exceedingly unlikely the attack was a result of any government our response cannot and will not be simple. We can't diplomatically scold anyone, surgically strike infrastructure, formally protest to the UN. We have very, very few options for a response.

Thats it.


But it shouldn't be that hard to figure out who the clerics are who stir up the shiat. They're not exactly shy about themselves. If we feel like being nice, we can let them know that they have one chance to cut the crap before Mr. Drone stops by.
 
2012-09-12 11:53:32 AM  
dronewarsuk.files.wordpress.com
I'm a drone

//Meant to do that in one post, accidentally hit submit
 
2012-09-12 11:53:57 AM  

sprawl15: Geotpf: If it wasn't order by a nation or somebody acting on behalf of a nation, it's a criminal act, not an act of war.

The 9/11 AUMF was an exercise of war powers against a non-state actor.


See my previous comment. Also, there may be situations where there is no effective government and it is not possible to arrest, try, and convict those who commit such (but it may be possible to kill them). Also, just because something isn't an act of war doesn't mean using the military to counter such isn't appropiate.

However, if somebody can be arrested and tried, they should be.
 
2012-09-12 11:55:33 AM  

bartink: Its both. We have decimated Al Qaeda militarily in areas where we can't get them to arrest them. There is a reason they choose remote shiatholes to hole up in. Unfortunately, this means killing innocents with the bad guys.

But we do need to do good intelligence work to track down and find these guys and arrest, if possible, and kill, if not. And, btw, this is exactly what is happening.



I don't think you understand the subject matter here.

You can use our military to execute law enforcement acts. That's really all you can use overseas and we've been doing it for years. Thus the term 'police action'.

War is something you declare on a nation.. or at the very least on a power structure.

You can declare war on Canada, you can declare war on Al Qaeda, you cannot however declare war on terrorism, drugs, bad feelings or stupidity (though I really really wish we could on that last one). It's completely incorrect by all definitions... you'd be much more accurate declaring Jihad (which is what many would have us do under the guise of the word 'war')

It's all in the rhetoric. Once we get that right we can move on to fixing our problems not making them bigger. This is assuming that is the goal of everyone in our nation/government (which depressingly is likely an incorrect assumption).
 
2012-09-12 11:55:49 AM  

Gulper Eel: But it shouldn't be that hard to figure out who the clerics are who stir up the shiat. They're not exactly shy about themselves. If we feel like being nice, we can let them know that they have one chance to cut the crap before Mr. Drone stops by.


Not necessary. The Libyans themselves should be given a chance to do it themselves. If they won't, then cut diplomatic ties with them. This terrorism happened within their borders. Until there is evidence that they are seeking a safe haven to export terroristic acts, drone strikes are counter-productive and unnecessary.
 
2012-09-12 11:56:21 AM  
Fark is going to shiat.

DIAF, tardmitter.
 
2012-09-12 11:56:58 AM  

Gulper Eel: But it shouldn't be that hard to figure out who the clerics are who stir up the shiat. They're not exactly shy about themselves. If we feel like being nice, we can let them know that they have one chance to cut the crap before Mr. Drone stops by.


Is your argument here that Obama is being too shy about using drone strikes?
 
2012-09-12 11:57:58 AM  

Geotpf: See my previous comment.


Your previous comment appears to make the same mistake: that acts of war can only occur between state actors.

Geotpf: Also, just because something isn't an act of war doesn't mean using the military to counter such isn't appropiate.


I'm not talking about the value of military action.
 
2012-09-12 11:58:50 AM  

MurphyMurphy: I don't think you understand the subject matter here.


rereading, that came off as snarky. Not how I meant it.

Just meant to say I think maybe our wires got crossed. I probably didn't explain what I meant clearly enough first time around.
 
2012-09-12 12:00:08 PM  

Publikwerks: [dronewarsuk.files.wordpress.com image 800x433]
I'm a drone

//Meant to do that in one post, accidentally hit submit


I was anxiously awaiting the ending!
 
2012-09-12 12:00:22 PM  

sprawl15: Geotpf: See my previous comment.

Your previous comment appears to make the same mistake: that acts of war can only occur between state actors.

Geotpf: Also, just because something isn't an act of war doesn't mean using the military to counter such isn't appropiate.

I'm not talking about the value of military action.


That seems to be a widely held belief.
 
2012-09-12 12:01:00 PM  
I'm just going to re-post this.

bdub77: So let's see if we can sort the timeline out as close as possible:

- A Jewish director, Sam Bacile (More like Im Becile), a California real estate developer who identifies himself as an Israeli Jew, wrote and directed a movie that depicts Muhammad as a pedo/womanizer/fraud. Which is probably true but let's be honest, an asshole thing to do.

- This movie was bankrolled by over 100 jewish donors and was promoted by Terry Jones, who if anyone has not heard the name before is a 'Christian' asshole who has incited international violence in the past and was on the Secret Service watch list.

- A 13-minute trailer for the film was first uploaded to YouTube in July, but did not receive much attention.

- A week ago the trailer got translated into Arabic and reposted on the same YouTube channel. Things get interesting-er.

- All of a sudden, super butthurt by Islamists as they start seeing the trailer.

- There's a protest last night at the Libyan embassy. There were obviously some security problems because some of the protesters were in fact terrorists from the Ansar al-Shari'ah organization.

- They got into the embassy and killed a bunch of people, including the US ambassador.

- The Egyptian embassy, also facing protests and not wanting to be murdered, denounced the hatred that was directed at Islam, obviously an attempt to defuse the situation there. "The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims - as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions," the embassy said in a statement published online.

- Mitt Romney, who knows nothing about international politics but is running for President and sees this as a chance to attack the president on foreign policy, said "I'm outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi," and went on to say, "It's disgraceful that the Obama administration's Weeners was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks." Which is just a bunch of spin.

- The US government said what Egypt said was not an official US stance.

- Hillary clarified the US's position and said "Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind."

- Some newspapers picked up on the killings late and didn't have time to get them to press.

And probably somewhere in the background some Israelis are sitting back in the aftermath of the attacks and evilly twiddling their thumbs.


Then I'm going to post this: Bush Administration on 2006 Danish Cartoons: "We Certainly Understand Why Muslims Would Find These Images Offensive"

And then I'm going to post this: fark these murderous farks, fark those bigoted filmmakers and fark Romney for being an asshole about all of this.
 
2012-09-12 12:01:20 PM  
Why can't they report the news before it happens? After it's happened it isn't really news anymore.
 
2012-09-12 12:02:58 PM  
RIP Vile Rat
 
2012-09-12 12:03:07 PM  

Geotpf: I absolutely agree, unless said terrorism is ordered by, or in any way supported by, a government. For example, the Tailban and al Queda were close to one in the same, so 9/11 was an act of war by the de facto government of Afghanistan and an invasion of such was absolutely justified, IMHO.

There's no indication that the Libyian or Egyptian governments supported these attacks, so that caveat doesn't apply in this case.


There is, however, a question of what the respective governments are planning to do about it. If they fail to respond with their own law enforcement, it will look like tacit approval--and a betrayal of the diplomatic agreements to keep embassies safe. The host countries should feel disgraced they allowed this to happen, and they should definitely be finding and punishing people. If they don't, and aren't ashamed...
 
2012-09-12 12:04:58 PM  

Moopy Mac: Gulper Eel: Moopy Mac: Am I missing something?

"U.S Envoy to Libya Is Killed in Attack" is the top story on the front page.

That's the constantly-updating website front page.

TFA is about the print front page. And yeah, lots of people still buy the Times that way.

So what was Subby's point?


NEW YORK TIMES BAAAAAAD
LIBS BAAAAAAAD

That seems to be the main thrust of the headline
 
2012-09-12 12:05:06 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Tigger: Gulper Eel: cryinoutloud: There's nothing that makes us stronger against the extremists than fighting among ourselves.

Yeah, mobthink is far more effective.

You're deriving psychological pleasure from a childish attempt to wind people up about the death of a US envoy. Doesn't it ever cross your mind to be a little less selfish than useful when something bad happens?

The problem is that he's an asshole. Assholes tend to be assholes about things.


My bad: I forget the first rule of dealing with pointless twats. They are both pointless. and twats.
 
2012-09-12 12:07:08 PM  

cancon: RIP Vile Rat


Glad I'm not the only guy that knew Vile Rat. He was a great guy and died while supporting the Libyan rebels. He's a smart, brave and funny guy and now political groups are going to haul him up like a prop for things he doesn't even agree with.
 
2012-09-12 12:08:51 PM  
This was the perfect opportunity for Romney to put 'EVERYTHING' behind him, put out a well-written declaration of unified support of the Obama administration.

He could, with one simple gesture, show a mountain of dignity and Presidential personality by putting country before his political motivations.

"I stand with Americans, all civilized people around the world and I stand side-by-side with the President of the United States when I say that this deplorable act of violence shall 'not' stand and we shall find justice together."

But no. No, we can't have that, now can we?
 
2012-09-12 12:09:41 PM  

TabASlotB: Then I'm going to post this: Bush Administration on 2006 Danish Cartoons: "We Certainly Understand Why Muslims Would Find These Images Offensive"


Also a cowardly reaction.
 
2012-09-12 12:10:35 PM  

Infernalist: "I stand with Americans, all civilized people around the world and I stand side-by-side with the President of the United States when I say that this deplorable act of violence shall 'not' stand and we shall find justice together."


RINO!
 
2012-09-12 12:11:19 PM  

SlothB77: Holy shiate, the two embassy attacks didn't even make the NY Times front page? Even MSNBC is blushing at that.


I told them that "All the news that gives us fits" was a terrible slogan.
 
2012-09-12 12:12:08 PM  
 
2012-09-12 12:12:20 PM  
Word now is that Obama had advance knowledge of the attack but did nothing about it.
 
2012-09-12 12:13:48 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Gulper Eel: hammettman: And said events may have occured after said deadline.

The NY Daily News and the NY Post got it up just fine.

Do they have print editions produced all over the country?


Yes.
 
2012-09-12 12:16:01 PM  
The Republican AM radio shows have started
They are working themselves into a lather

I here joy in the farker asking "Have the Libyans taken over the embassy yet ?"

I have nothing but contempt for Republicans now
 
2012-09-12 12:16:07 PM  

Gulper Eel: Also a cowardly reaction.


So respectful and measured is cowardly now?

People that lash out emotionally and illogically at everything they perceive to threaten them are the true cowards.

Bravery is maintaining a cool head in the face of fear.

Of all the volumes I could write on what I found lacking and wrong about Bush, his response there would not be among them. I would also commend him for trying to explain to the nation the difference between all Muslims and the ones that attacked us.

Unfortunately, the cowboy bullshiat and 'war on terrorism' bits was the drowning warblegargle that muted what correct actions he made.
 
2012-09-12 12:17:33 PM  
When I opened up NYTIMES.com at 7:30 ET this morning it was the top story so I don't know where subby got his screen shot.
 
2012-09-12 12:17:39 PM  

Bocasio: The Republican AM radio shows have started
They are working themselves into a lather

I here joy in the farker asking "Have the Libyans taken over the embassy yet ?"
I have nothing but contempt for Republicans now


Well, considering they sent their troops to defend it now, I think thats unlikely. Just a guess.
 
2012-09-12 12:18:12 PM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 348x640] 

The Front Page of the NYT in Submitter's link. I see nothing anywhere about it.


Exactly.
 
2012-09-12 12:18:18 PM  

BSABSVR: Gulper Eel: Somacandra: In the heat of rapidly changing cultural conditions

Rapidly changing? Looks like their culture's still stuck somewhere around 800 AD.

I have to say that I am just thrilled, that fat f*ck Gulper Eel, located safely behind his freedom laptop is able to sternly, (but fairly) judge people who were just trying to save their lives 3,000 miles away.


According to the WPBM website, he is most certainly a fat fark.
 
2012-09-12 12:19:07 PM  
I have Sunday's New Yorks Times print edition sitting on my coffee table, and I see those they haven't updated it yet with news about the attacks.

Like subby, I find newspapers almost as confusing as magnets. How the fark do they work?
 
2012-09-12 12:19:37 PM  

Karma Curmudgeon: coeyagi: Kazan: fark you farking muslim extremists, and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Muhammad.

This could be Mad Fark Libs.

fark you farking Mormon extremists and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Joseph Smith.

fark you farking Nittany Lion extremists and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Jerry Sandusky.


Whoa pal. Nittany Lion here. No deification of that piece of shiat from me.

Continue with your examples....
 
2012-09-12 12:20:06 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Gulper Eel: Also a cowardly reaction.

So respectful and measured is cowardly now?

People that lash out emotionally and illogically at everything they perceive to threaten them are the true cowards.

Bravery is maintaining a cool head in the face of fear.

Of all the volumes I could write on what I found lacking and wrong about Bush, his response there would not be among them. I would also commend him for trying to explain to the nation the difference between all Muslims and the ones that attacked us.

Unfortunately, the cowboy bullshiat and 'war on terrorism' bits was the drowning warblegargle that muted what correct actions he made.


Bush jr was a well-meaning moron, a gullible fool with good intentions. Once he was in office, he was led by the nose into Iraq and all manner of stupid decisions by the men that he trusted, mostly Dick Cheney.

I pity him. Eventually, time will give him the perspective to see what he did to this country and he'll finally realize just how badly he was duped and the ultimate costs to this country due to those good intentions.

There's a reason that the road to Hell is paved with them.
 
2012-09-12 12:20:26 PM  
Every time someone posts about responding with violence against Muslims in general, the Islamist extremists are emboldened. You teahadists are f*cking idiots...
 
2012-09-12 12:21:27 PM  
Look how happy they are people died
 
2012-09-12 12:22:00 PM  
Mitt has doubled down on his derp with his news conference. Smirking like a 10 year old who thinks he's just ratted out an enemy into detention. He's farking toast. Even establishment republicans are distancing themselves from this stinking turd.
 
2012-09-12 12:22:37 PM  

shotglasss: Word now is that Obama had advance knowledge of the attack but did nothing about it.


Was there a PDB like the Republican Administration had:

"Bin Laden Angry people determined to strike Egyptian embassy" ?
 
2012-09-12 12:23:26 PM  

hammettman: Mitt has doubled down on his derp with his news conference. Smirking like a 10 year old who thinks he's just ratted out an enemy into detention. He's farking toast. Even establishment republicans are distancing themselves from this stinking turd.


He makes it worse, every time he comments. Total scumbag.
 
2012-09-12 12:23:57 PM  
I understand the confusion. Since Fox News is the official communication channel of the Republican party and the Republican presidential candidate the expectation is that regular media channels are the mouthpiece of the Democratic party and the current administration. This, of course, also includes the expectation to regularly omit unwanted news items. Unfortunately, NYT is not quite as disciplined as Fox News and does cover news that is not always convenient to the administration.
It's an easy error to make.
 
2012-09-12 12:23:59 PM  

cancon: RIP Vile Rat


Has it been confirmed that he died? Last I heard two of the victims names hadn't been released
 
2012-09-12 12:24:21 PM  
and in two days, no one will care.


ZZZ
 
2012-09-12 12:25:35 PM  
this isn't the government,... wtf are you going to do when a bunch of random idiot morons do random idiot things?

No, the GOP would rather carpet bomb an entire country because some retards stormed an embassy.
 
2012-09-12 12:26:41 PM  
The Republicans want to frame whats happened in Iran in 1979
With what happened last night

This is epic manipulation
 
2012-09-12 12:26:54 PM  

Jackson Herring: cancon: RIP Vile Rat

Has it been confirmed that he died? Last I heard two of the victims names hadn't been released


Yeah, sadly it has been
 
2012-09-12 12:26:57 PM  

Infernalist: stuff


Nail on the head.

Though, I can't say i pity him... just because he played the part didn't mean he was a mindless puppet with strings. His intellectual abilities aside, he had and has free will. I think he was as willing to let the puppeteers run the show as they were to do it. He had his moments, but too few and far between.

It runs too close to not attributing blame to him directly for all the shiat he could have stopped. He carries the bulk of that blame, just as the rest of the willfully ignorant in this nation carry the blame for their echo chamber of hate and fear. Even more so because he sought the leadership position.

He's a lot of things, but not a victim. And only victims deserve pity.
 
2012-09-12 12:28:31 PM  

Infernalist: This was the perfect opportunity for Romney to put 'EVERYTHING' behind him, put out a well-written declaration of unified support of the Obama administration.

He could, with one simple gesture, show a mountain of dignity and Presidential personality by putting country before his political motivations.

"I stand with Americans, all civilized people around the world and I stand side-by-side with the President of the United States when I say that this deplorable act of violence shall 'not' stand and we shall find justice together."

But no. No, we can't have that, now can we?


So, you're saying Romney should knowingly give you a line of bullshiat to make you feel better about this predictable continuation of the Obama approved "Arab Spring"?

Arab Spring libtards, Arab Spring! Plant your Obama daffodils now so they'll be a bloomin' when them A-rabs start murder bombing our Krogers.
 
2012-09-12 12:29:30 PM  

Gulper Eel: Yeah, totally there was no way to get that news on the front page before press time.


You're right.

community.us.playstation.com
 
2012-09-12 12:29:34 PM  

Jackson Herring: cancon: RIP Vile Rat

Has it been confirmed that he died? Last I heard two of the victims names hadn't been released


Mittani's blog
 
2012-09-12 12:30:06 PM  
It makes a little more sense now:

[Updated at 12:11 p.m. ET] Tuesday's attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, was planned in advance, and the attackers used the protest outside the consulate as a diversion, U.S. sources told CNN Wednesday.

The sources could not say whether the attackers instigated the protest or merely took advantage of it. The sources do not believe Ambassador Chris Stevens was specifically targeted.
 
2012-09-12 12:30:33 PM  

Tumunga: Infernalist: This was the perfect opportunity for Romney to put 'EVERYTHING' behind him, put out a well-written declaration of unified support of the Obama administration.

He could, with one simple gesture, show a mountain of dignity and Presidential personality by putting country before his political motivations.

"I stand with Americans, all civilized people around the world and I stand side-by-side with the President of the United States when I say that this deplorable act of violence shall 'not' stand and we shall find justice together."

But no. No, we can't have that, now can we?

So, you're saying Romney should knowingly give you a line of bullshiat to make you feel better about this predictable continuation of the Obama approved "Arab Spring"?

Arab Spring libtards, Arab Spring! Plant your Obama daffodils now so they'll be a bloomin' when them A-rabs start murder bombing our Krogers.


Well, Purple Monkey Dishwasher right back at yah, son.
 
2012-09-12 12:30:57 PM  

coeyagi: Whoa pal. Nittany Lion here.


ROFL. Just playing the game, I was unaware and did not intend any insult. Don't go burning any buckeyes in effigy, or anything.
 
2012-09-12 12:31:29 PM  
One of the Bush Administration's first reactions following 9/11 was "how can we pin this on Saddam?".
 
2012-09-12 12:34:00 PM  

Tumunga: So, you're saying Romney should knowingly give you a line of bullshiat to make you feel better about this predictable continuation of the Obama approved "Arab Spring"?

Arab Spring libtards, Arab Spring! Plant your Obama daffodils now so they'll be a bloomin' when them A-rabs start murder bombing our Krogers.


Location: Indianapolis

At first I thought you were a troll, but then I realized you're just from Indiana.

It's cool man. You can hardly even notice the missing chromosomes. I'm sure no one notices.
 
2012-09-12 12:35:41 PM  
In this thread: People who don't understand foreign policy and the execution of it.
 
2012-09-12 12:36:10 PM  

sprawl15: Jackson Herring: cancon: RIP Vile Rat

Has it been confirmed that he died? Last I heard two of the victims names hadn't been released

Mittani's blog


It's weird what a small world it is because of The Internet
 
2012-09-12 12:36:47 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Tumunga: So, you're saying Romney should knowingly give you a line of bullshiat to make you feel better about this predictable continuation of the Obama approved "Arab Spring"?

Arab Spring libtards, Arab Spring! Plant your Obama daffodils now so they'll be a bloomin' when them A-rabs start murder bombing our Krogers.

Location: Indianapolis

At first I thought you were a troll, but then I realized you're just from Indiana.

It's cool man. You can hardly even notice the missing chromosomes. I'm sure no one notices.


That explains the Krogers thing too.

Tell me where on this logo do you see an "s"? Do you call Marsh "Marshs" too?

mypbrand.com
 
2012-09-12 12:36:59 PM  

Gulper Eel: Somacandra: In the heat of rapidly changing cultural conditions

Rapidly changing? Looks like their culture's still stuck somewhere around 800 AD.


In 800 AD Islam didn't exist.

In 1000 AD they were busy inventing modern mathematics and astronomy.
 
2012-09-12 12:37:12 PM  
The New York Times had the story online when I read it a 7:00 am central, and you could watch the article grow every time you reloaded it, as they added information once it became available.

The truth is that what happened last night was chaotic with a lot of conflicting stories and contradictory statements from all sides. The New York Times still tries to fact check their print edition, and probably figured it was better to wait than print embarrassing bullshiat.

Also, subby knows that there isnt just one print edition, but that they update the paper through the night, right?
 
2012-09-12 12:37:30 PM  
 
2012-09-12 12:37:42 PM  
Romney thinks we should invade Iraq for this.
 
2012-09-12 12:38:39 PM  

LazarusLong42: Gulper Eel: Somacandra: In the heat of rapidly changing cultural conditions

Rapidly changing? Looks like their culture's still stuck somewhere around 800 AD.

In 800 AD Islam didn't exist.

In 1000 AD they were busy inventing modern mathematics and astronomy.


You know, if they'd gotten their religious fanatics under control back then, we'd all likely be Muslims today.

And possibly colonizing other worlds by now. Sigh.
 
2012-09-12 12:38:48 PM  

Tumunga: So, you're saying Romney should...


Romney and his campaign have a fantastic tendency to shove their feet ankle-deep into mouths whenever they utter even the slightest syllable on foreign policy.

He should have kept his fool mouth shut til, and played the 'Classy Presidential' card when it became clear this was some bad shiat going down.
 
2012-09-12 12:39:49 PM  

Jake Havechek: the brave keyboard commandos


Wow.........that is really farked up.
 
2012-09-12 12:40:17 PM  
Obama was busy reading My Pet Gazelle to school children when the attack happened. When informed he lit up a smoke and stared off into space for 10 minutes.
 
2012-09-12 12:41:41 PM  

mainstreet62: Jake Havechek: the brave keyboard commandos

Wow.........that is really farked up.


"Please use this thread to exercise your G-d given right to Free Speech"

Farkin' irony, how do they work?
 
2012-09-12 12:41:58 PM  

Tumunga: So, you're saying Romney should knowingly give you a line of bullshiat to make you feel better about this predictable continuation of the Obama approved "Arab Spring"?

Arab Spring libtards, Arab Spring! Plant your Obama daffodils now so they'll be a bloomin' when them A-rabs start murder bombing our Krogers.



So what you are saying is we should go full Republican and invade China?

Ok!
 
2012-09-12 12:42:03 PM  

mainstreet62: Jake Havechek: the brave keyboard commandos

Wow.........that is really farked up.


It's days like these I want to go in there and scream 'Jesus was Buddhist!'.
 
2012-09-12 12:43:12 PM  

sprawl15: Jackson Herring: cancon: RIP Vile Rat

Has it been confirmed that he died? Last I heard two of the victims names hadn't been released

Mittani's blog


Jesus Christ, I didn't even realize.

I didn't know him well (or at all personally) but he made my interwebs summer of '06 hell (which is what we call fun in Eve). Much respect.

Terrible to hear about anyone being killed, but feels... I'm not sure how to describe it. He had a real impact on me and my friends and thousands of others.

Yeah, small world I suppose.
 
2012-09-12 12:43:36 PM  

LazarusLong42: Gulper Eel: Somacandra: In the heat of rapidly changing cultural conditions

Rapidly changing? Looks like their culture's still stuck somewhere around 800 AD.

In 800 AD Islam didn't exist.

In 1000 AD they were busy inventing modern mathematics and astronomy.


Yes, which is why they had naming rights.
 
2012-09-12 12:46:23 PM  

Bocasio: The Republicans want to frame whats happened in Iran in 1979
With what happened last night

This is epic manipulation


Comparing Obama to Carter? I see it. If you don't see it, you're blind.
 
2012-09-12 12:48:37 PM  

Tumunga: Bocasio: The Republicans want to frame whats happened in Iran in 1979
With what happened last night

This is epic manipulation

Comparing Obama to Carter? I see it. If you don't see it, you're blind.


Enlighten us, dickf*ck. Compare them. Show us what you've got.
 
2012-09-12 12:48:48 PM  

Tumunga: Bocasio: The Republicans want to frame whats happened in Iran in 1979
With what happened last night

This is epic manipulation

Comparing Obama to Carter? I see it. If you don't see it, you're blind.


Yeah, but the GOP always conveniently forgets the CIA led coup that installed the Shah, and made the 1079 hostage crisis possible.
 
2012-09-12 12:49:30 PM  
1979, rather.
 
2012-09-12 12:49:32 PM  

Jackson Herring: cancon: RIP Vile Rat

Has it been confirmed that he died? Last I heard two of the victims names hadn't been released


His is one of the two names that have been released already (the other being the ambassador).
 
2012-09-12 12:50:34 PM  

mainstreet62: Tumunga: Bocasio: The Republicans want to frame whats happened in Iran in 1979
With what happened last night

This is epic manipulation

Comparing Obama to Carter? I see it. If you don't see it, you're blind.

Enlighten us, dickf*ck. Compare them. Show us what you've got.


You're talking to a guy that calls Kroger, "Krogers" even though it has NO S IN THE NAME!

/pet peeve
 
2012-09-12 12:50:34 PM  

Jake Havechek: Tumunga: Bocasio: The Republicans want to frame whats happened in Iran in 1979
With what happened last night

This is epic manipulation

Comparing Obama to Carter? I see it. If you don't see it, you're blind.

Yeah, but the GOP always conveniently forgets the CIA led coup that installed the Shah, and made the 1079 hostage crisis possible.


You dropped the 9 you mongoloid :)

Yes, the GOP does forget that. They also forget Reagan paid for those hostages with weapons.
 
2012-09-12 12:51:23 PM  

hammettman: Mitt has doubled down on his derp with his news conference. Smirking like a 10 year old who thinks he's just ratted out an enemy into detention. He's farking toast. Even establishment republicans are distancing themselves from this stinking turd.


You can't really blame him. At this point he is losing and doesn't have many opportunities to change the polls. He had to take this shot even if it backfired badly (which it has).
 
2012-09-12 12:52:01 PM  

mainstreet62: Tumunga: Bocasio: The Republicans want to frame whats happened in Iran in 1979
With what happened last night

This is epic manipulation

Comparing Obama to Carter? I see it. If you don't see it, you're blind.

Enlighten us, dickf*ck. Compare them. Show us what you've got.


One was a Democrat, the other is a Democrat.....

Oh - is it tense? It's tense, isn't it?
 
2012-09-12 12:52:47 PM  
Mitt could have made a neutral comment condemning the attacks and leaving it at that, but he felt the need to be a real asshole about it.

I thought Mormons were supposed to be nice to people all the time.
 
2012-09-12 12:52:48 PM  

Epoch_Zero: Oh - is it tense? It's tense, isn't it?


LOL, not anymore. ;-)
 
2012-09-12 12:52:56 PM  

palelizard: Geotpf: I absolutely agree, unless said terrorism is ordered by, or in any way supported by, a government. For example, the Tailban and al Queda were close to one in the same, so 9/11 was an act of war by the de facto government of Afghanistan and an invasion of such was absolutely justified, IMHO.

There's no indication that the Libyian or Egyptian governments supported these attacks, so that caveat doesn't apply in this case.

There is, however, a question of what the respective governments are planning to do about it. If they fail to respond with their own law enforcement, it will look like tacit approval--and a betrayal of the diplomatic agreements to keep embassies safe. The host countries should feel disgraced they allowed this to happen, and they should definitely be finding and punishing people. If they don't, and aren't ashamed...


I don't disagree with things like the Bin Laden raid, or drone attacks in Yemen or Afghanistan.

It seems like the Libyan and Egyptian governments are on our side here. I've seen no evidence to the contrary.
 
2012-09-12 12:53:14 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Tumunga: So, you're saying Romney should knowingly give you a line of bullshiat to make you feel better about this predictable continuation of the Obama approved "Arab Spring"?

Arab Spring libtards, Arab Spring! Plant your Obama daffodils now so they'll be a bloomin' when them A-rabs start murder bombing our Krogers.

Location: Indianapolis

At first I thought you were a troll, but then I realized you're just from Indiana.

It's cool man. You can hardly even notice the missing chromosomes. I'm sure no one notices.


Location: n/a

At second, I thought you would have had the gumption to let everyone know you are from Wasilla, but I see you're using an alt.
 
2012-09-12 12:53:17 PM  
i.imgur.com

Fark you, you smug, sociopathic bastard for trying to make political hay out of the deaths of four Americans.
 
2012-09-12 12:53:35 PM  

Wicked Chinchilla: Jake Havechek: Tumunga: Bocasio: The Republicans want to frame whats happened in Iran in 1979
With what happened last night

This is epic manipulation

Comparing Obama to Carter? I see it. If you don't see it, you're blind.

Yeah, but the GOP always conveniently forgets the CIA led coup that installed the Shah, and made the 1079 hostage crisis possible.

You dropped the 9 you mongoloid :)

Yes, the GOP does forget that. They also forget Reagan paid for those hostages with weapons.


Whatever, you think I believe in a fact from 30 years ago? I don't even believe in facts from 3 minutes ago.
 
2012-09-12 12:54:03 PM  

Bocasio: The Republicans want to frame whats happened in Iran in 1979
With what happened last night

This is epic manipulation


This is a crappy comparison. Carter did not CAUSE the embassy situation to happen. He pulled out a plan to rescue hostages that farked up big time. This isn't really Obama's unless he sends rescue helicopters in and they end up crashing on top of a orphanage.
 
2012-09-12 12:54:34 PM  
Farkin Christ, the Republican infatuation with Jimmy Carter will never cease to amaze me. Democrats/Obama aren't supposed to bring up the utter disaster left behind by an utter disaster of a President from 3 years ago, but Republicans get to shoehorn in the name of a President from over 30 years ago into every situation no matter how irrelevant.
 
2012-09-12 12:54:49 PM  

LarryDan43: Wicked Chinchilla: Jake Havechek: Tumunga: Bocasio: The Republicans want to frame whats happened in Iran in 1979
With what happened last night

This is epic manipulation

Comparing Obama to Carter? I see it. If you don't see it, you're blind.

Yeah, but the GOP always conveniently forgets the CIA led coup that installed the Shah, and made the 1079 hostage crisis possible.

You dropped the 9 you mongoloid :)

Yes, the GOP does forget that. They also forget Reagan paid for those hostages with weapons.

Whatever, you think I believe in a fact from 30 years ago? I don't even believe in facts from 3 minutes ago.


But can you believe 6 impossible things before breakfast?
 
2012-09-12 12:56:35 PM  

InmanRoshi: Farkin Christ, the Republican infatuation with Jimmy Carter will never cease to amaze me. Democrats/Obama aren't supposed to bring up the utter disaster left behind by an utter disaster of a President from 3 years ago, but Republicans get to shoehorn in the name of a President from over 30 years ago into every situation no matter how irrelevant.


And then how Saint Reagan descended from Heaven and saved America from the communists and hippies.
 
2012-09-12 12:56:46 PM  

NateGrey: Tumunga: So, you're saying Romney should knowingly give you a line of bullshiat to make you feel better about this predictable continuation of the Obama approved "Arab Spring"?

Arab Spring libtards, Arab Spring! Plant your Obama daffodils now so they'll be a bloomin' when them A-rabs start murder bombing our Krogers.


So what you are saying is we should go full Republican and invade China?

Ok!


Almost. We should have done that 60 years ago:

Link
 
2012-09-12 12:56:59 PM  
Muslims kill Americans. Obama and his embassies side with the Muslims.

Liberals attack Romney.

Not surprised.
 
2012-09-12 12:57:08 PM  

InmanRoshi: Farkin Christ, the Republican infatuation with Jimmy Carter will never cease to amaze me. Democrats/Obama aren't supposed to bring up the utter disaster left behind by an utter disaster of a President from 3 years ago, but Republicans get to shoehorn in the name of a President from over 30 years ago into every situation no matter how irrelevant.


30 years ago might as well be yesterday unless you're talking about Mormons recognizing blacks as humans, which in that case its ancient history.
 
2012-09-12 12:57:57 PM  

Zeno-25: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]

Fark you, you smug, sociopathic bastard for trying to make political hay out of the deaths of four Americans.


Maybe you would feel differently if they had more US flags?
 
2012-09-12 12:58:16 PM  

Jake Havechek: the brave keyboard commandos


Okay, that was farked up but the add for the taliban online dating website was pretty funny.
 
2012-09-12 01:00:40 PM  

The Dog Ate The Constitution: Muslims kill Americans. Obama and his embassies side with the Muslims.

Liberals attack Romney.

Not surprised.


Its OUR EMBASSY, AMERICAN LAND
AMERICAN LIVES

Republicans deserve the filth their small minds swim in
 
2012-09-12 01:00:47 PM  

Bender The Offender: Jake Havechek: the brave keyboard commandos

Okay, that was farked up but the add for the taliban online dating website was pretty funny.


There's another one for Taliban Girls Gone Wild which is also kind of amusing.
 
2012-09-12 01:00:47 PM  

Jake Havechek: Tumunga: Bocasio: The Republicans want to frame whats happened in Iran in 1979
With what happened last night

This is epic manipulation

Comparing Obama to Carter? I see it. If you don't see it, you're blind.

Yeah, but the GOP always conveniently forgets the CIA led coup that installed the Shah, and made the 1079 hostage crisis possible.


Wow, they really hold a grudge.

1979, rather.

D'oh!
 
2012-09-12 01:02:25 PM  

The Dog Ate The Constitution: Muslims kill Americans. Obama and his embassies side with the Muslims.

Liberals attack Romney.

Not surprised.


Mitt Romney got up on national TV and criticized Obama for "sympathizing" with people who murdered the US Ambassador and then blames the diplomatic staff who just had their compound raided and colleagues killed for sending out tweets that made America look weak and encouraged attacks.

Obama is weak on national security HURR DURR stupid libs!
 
2012-09-12 01:02:47 PM  

Jake Havechek: LarryDan43: Wicked Chinchilla: Jake Havechek: Tumunga: Bocasio: The Republicans want to frame whats happened in Iran in 1979
With what happened last night

This is epic manipulation

Comparing Obama to Carter? I see it. If you don't see it, you're blind.

Yeah, but the GOP always conveniently forgets the CIA led coup that installed the Shah, and made the 1079 hostage crisis possible.

You dropped the 9 you mongoloid :)

Yes, the GOP does forget that. They also forget Reagan paid for those hostages with weapons.

Whatever, you think I believe in a fact from 30 years ago? I don't even believe in facts from 3 minutes ago.

But can you believe 6 impossible things before breakfast?


God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, that's 3... or 1? You trying to trick me?
 
2012-09-12 01:02:52 PM  

The Dog Ate The Constitution: Muslims kill Americans. Obama and his embassies side with the Muslims.

Liberals attack Romney.

Not surprised.


Okay, I want you to explain this BBC article.

FTA: Speaking in the Rose Garden at the White House, President Obama told reporters: "Make no mistake. Justice will be done."

He said he condemned "in the strongest possible terms the outrageous and shocking" attack.

It is especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is is a city that he helped to save, he added, praising the dead ambassador for his work in Libya after the overtrhow of the late Col Muammar Gaddafi
 
2012-09-12 01:02:59 PM  

Kazan: fark you farking muslim extremists, and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Muhammad.


Hey, everybody! We found (the Evil Bigot) Terry Jones' Fark handle!
 
2012-09-12 01:06:40 PM  
Obama and his embassies side with the Muslims.

fark you, you farking liar.
 
2012-09-12 01:07:06 PM  

WizardofToast: The Dog Ate The Constitution: Muslims kill Americans. Obama and his embassies side with the Muslims.

Liberals attack Romney.

Not surprised.

Okay, I want you to explain this BBC article.

FTA: Speaking in the Rose Garden at the White House, President Obama told reporters: "Make no mistake. Justice will be done."

He said he condemned "in the strongest possible terms the outrageous and shocking" attack.

It is especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is is a city that he helped to save, he added, praising the dead ambassador for his work in Libya after the overtrhow of the late Col Muammar Gaddafi


I won't be surprised when Obama bows to el-Megarif when they next meet.
 
2012-09-12 01:07:21 PM  
Carter.....
 
2012-09-12 01:08:09 PM  
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2012-09-12 01:08:39 PM  
Romney is totally using these dead Americans to criticize Obama's foreign policy, and that is also disgusting.

He should know better than this.
 
2012-09-12 01:09:50 PM  

Jake Havechek: Romney is totally using these dead Americans to criticize Obama's foreign policy, and that is also disgusting.

He should know better than this.


In American politics, people basically sell their souls to win an election. It's how awful we have become.
 
2012-09-12 01:10:39 PM  
America gets attacked, and the kos kids are upset about something Romney said.

That figures.
 
2012-09-12 01:11:31 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: America gets attacked, and the kos kids are upset about something Romney said.

That figures.


You're not even trying.
 
2012-09-12 01:12:07 PM  

The Dog Ate The Constitution: obvious troll


The Libyan government is so afraid of Obama's pimp hand that they are cowering and agreeing to do whatever we ask to hunt down and get the people involved, fellow Muslims, in their country. They are pissing themselves worrying that Obama will not only send the SEALs to get the rioters involved, which he most likely will do given he does not give a fark about Libyan Juris-my-dick-tion, but that they will wake up with a laser dot on their heads from the barrel of a MP-5. They are so terrified of Obama that they sent their military to protect OUR embassy from THEIR citizens. That is why Obama is to be feared and respected above all others, especially that magic-underwear wearing Mormon moron, Romney.
 
2012-09-12 01:12:30 PM  

I alone am best: Carter.....


DO explain.

1) No one is captured/trapped inside any embassies
2) The attack on the Libyan Consulate was preplanned. It is as yet unknown whether the protest before the attack was used opportunistically or deliberately incited
3) The Libyan government has apologized profusely, promised to aid in the hunt of those who attacked, and sent in troops to defend our embassy
4) The egyptians treated the riot like a normal protest and sent in riot police

So, explain.
 
2012-09-12 01:12:46 PM  
brunich.com
 
2012-09-12 01:14:07 PM  
Smirking sociopathic asshole, and all of his acolytes, all deserve to get cock cancer.
 
2012-09-12 01:15:34 PM  

LectertheChef: Smirking sociopathic asshole, and all of his acolytes, all deserve to get cock cancer.


Wait, thats from today? He looks like he is about to feast on your soul.

Christ, I thought a sociopath/pathological liar was supposed to be good at manipulating people. He looks like he is holding in distinct glee at US citizens being murdered.
 
2012-09-12 01:15:36 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: America gets attacked, and the kos kids are upset about something Romney said.

That figures.


What Romney did not say pisses me off more. Did he offer his condolences to the family members of the deceased?

No? What an asshole!
 
2012-09-12 01:15:49 PM  
Well, from a party who has made "you didn't build that" their campaign theme, I have begun to expect this sort of thing out of them.

It's predictable and utterly disgusting. Something bad happens, and the Romney response is to immediately look for any way to blame Obama or to work that into his campaign themes.

I think that accusing the president of encouraging an angry mob to be angry at the US and kill a U.S. Ambassador (based on a tweet from the US. Embassy in Egypt) is a sign of how desperate his campaign has become.
 
2012-09-12 01:16:06 PM  
I hate concern trolling, but Mitt could have done the right thing, and he did not.

The question is, was it his decision or that of his campaign staff?
 
2012-09-12 01:16:07 PM  

Zeno-25: [brunich.com image 800x243]


That is just so wrong. Does he not realize when to be serious and when to smile? Just so off the wall....
 
2012-09-12 01:16:16 PM  

Zeno-25: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]

Fark you, you smug, sociopathic bastard for trying to make political hay out of the deaths of four Americans.


Aside from the douchetasticness of the Mittster's comments themselves, you really have to wonder about his physical instincts as a politician. He's been running for president for YEARS now, and he hasn't figured out how to maintain a "somber and troubled" face until he's safely away from the cameras?

To borrow a meme, WTF is this guy's problem?
 
2012-09-12 01:16:16 PM  

Edsel: hammettman: Mitt has doubled down on his derp with his news conference. Smirking like a 10 year old who thinks he's just ratted out an enemy into detention. He's farking toast. Even establishment republicans are distancing themselves from this stinking turd.

You can't really blame him. At this point he is losing and doesn't have many opportunities to change the polls. He had to take this shot even if it backfired badly (which it has).


Yes, you can blame him. He hasn't got a clue and his advisors obviously haven't got a clue. But when it was obvious last night to all the other usual farkwit republican suspects that politicizing this event was a bad move, he could have smoothed it over "in light of new information" and, modern media being what it is, it would have blown over in a news cycle or two. Instead, he now has people like Boehner, Cantor, even Condi Rice moving to wipe his stench from their immediate vicinity. I'm waiting for his next move when he nearly starts an international event by injecting his gravitas into the Bibi/Iran troubles.
 
2012-09-12 01:18:06 PM  

Jake Havechek: I hate concern trolling, but Mitt could have done the right thing, and he did not.

The question is, was it his decision or that of his campaign staff?


From what I've read, all off the record, he has a staff of yes men/women, because he doesn't much take the advice of his staff. This is probably why he doesn't have anyone any of us have ever heard of.
 
2012-09-12 01:18:37 PM  

Chummer45: Well, from a party who has made "you didn't build that" their campaign theme, I have begun to expect this sort of thing out of them.


I was badly hoping to see a re-emergence of "Drill, Baby, Drill" at the 2012 RNC. What, did that not go over well?
 
2012-09-12 01:19:35 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: America gets attacked, and the kos kids are upset about something Romney said.

That figures.


don't forget the one or two actually smart Republcans, as rare as they are.
 
2012-09-12 01:19:43 PM  

skinnycatullus: the craven diplomatic response to it

I'm confused about what this is supposed to mean. The only official response I've seen has been condemnation.


The people in the embassy surrounded by hundreds of angry screaming Muslims attempted to calm the air by reminding the protesters that they condemn religious persecution of all kinds, which America does, it's in our first Amendment after all. Romney, sitting in his most comfortable arm chair, thousands of miles from any danger, decided that this was a cowardly and overly-apologetic tone for MURICA to take with TURISTS.

And I guess subby agrees, from his most comfortable armchair, thousands of miles from any danger. To me it's the height of dickery to nitpick diplomatic statements of people who are literally under attack by angry protesters.
 
2012-09-12 01:19:49 PM  

hammettman: Edsel: hammettman: Mitt has doubled down on his derp with his news conference. Smirking like a 10 year old who thinks he's just ratted out an enemy into detention. He's farking toast. Even establishment republicans are distancing themselves from this stinking turd.

You can't really blame him. At this point he is losing and doesn't have many opportunities to change the polls. He had to take this shot even if it backfired badly (which it has).

Yes, you can blame him. He hasn't got a clue and his advisors obviously haven't got a clue. But when it was obvious last night to all the other usual farkwit republican suspects that politicizing this event was a bad move, he could have smoothed it over "in light of new information" and, modern media being what it is, it would have blown over in a news cycle or two. Instead, he now has people like Boehner, Cantor, even Condi Rice moving to wipe his stench from their immediate vicinity. I'm waiting for his next move when he nearly starts an international event by injecting his gravitas into the Bibi/Iran troubles.


Except Rush who was yammering away when I was at lunch about how this is a total failure for Obama and Romney did the best possible thing he could. He even attacked Fox News "Here is Fox News, who is supposed to be on our side, condemning Romney....shameful"
 
2012-09-12 01:20:03 PM  

Wicked Chinchilla: LectertheChef: Smirking sociopathic asshole, and all of his acolytes, all deserve to get cock cancer.

Wait, thats from today? He looks like he is about to feast on your soul.

Christ, I thought a sociopath/pathological liar was supposed to be good at manipulating people. He looks like he is holding in distinct glee at US citizens being murdered.


He's a sociopath, but not a good liar. Probably comes from his life of privilege. He never had to learn to hide what he's really thinking, because he's never had to face the consequences for anything.
 
2012-09-12 01:20:06 PM  

Epoch_Zero: mainstreet62: Tumunga: Bocasio: The Republicans want to frame whats happened in Iran in 1979
With what happened last night

This is epic manipulation

Comparing Obama to Carter? I see it. If you don't see it, you're blind.

Enlighten us, dickf*ck. Compare them. Show us what you've got.

One was a Democrat, the other is a Democrat.....

Oh - is it tense? It's tense, isn't it?


They both have 11 letters in their name. It's obvious to anyone who is willing to count to eleven.
 
2012-09-12 01:20:57 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: Zeno-25: [brunich.com image 800x243]

That is just so wrong. Does he not realize when to be serious and when to smile? Just so off the wall....


Smirking with pleasure at scoring a point against Obama at the expense of other Americans. Good thing none of his kids have to serve.
 
2012-09-12 01:21:00 PM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 541x282]

This is the only slightly relevant piece on the front-page that I see.


Why does Israel constantly want us to fight their wars for them? Are they a sovereign nation or not?
 
2012-09-12 01:24:10 PM  

The Dog Ate The Constitution: Obama and his embassies


Oh good lord. Has it come to this?
 
2012-09-12 01:24:32 PM  
Romney has not backed off the response - "It's never too early for the United States government to condemn attacks on Americans and to defend our values," he said Wednesday - but his campaign faces a near consensus in Republican foreign policy circles that, whatever the sentiment, Romney faltered badly.

"It's deeply unfortunate when the circumstance of the statement becomes the story," said Rick Perry's former foreign policy adviser, Victoria Coates, who is now an adjunct fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, and who suggested that Romney should simply have "gone earlier rather than save it for midnight" to avoid appearing to play politics on September 11. "It's unfortunate that it's playing out this way, and hopefully they can get back on message, because their point is sound," she said.

Other conservatives were less sympathetic.

"It's bad," said a former aide to Senator John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign. "Just on a factual level that the statement was not a response but preceding, or one could make the case precipitating. And just calling it a 'disgrace' doesn't really cut it. Not ready for prime time."

A third Republican, a former Bush State Department official, told BuzzFeed, "It wasn't presidential of Romney to go political immediately - a tragedy of this magnitude should be something the nation collectively grieves before politics enters the conversation."



"They were just trying to score a cheap news cycle hit based on the embassy statement and now it's just completely blown up," said a very senior Republican foreign policy hand, who called the statement an "utter disaster" and a "Lehman moment" - a parallel to the moment when John McCain, amid the 2008 financial crisis, failed to come across as a steady leader. 


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2012-09-12 01:25:59 PM  

Jake Havechek: It was a bunch of yahoos and hooligans, how do you declare war on them?



Ask Pussy Riot
 
2012-09-12 01:27:50 PM  

I_C_Weener: Jake Havechek: It was a bunch of yahoos and hooligans, how do you declare war on them?


Ask Pussy Riot


Can you imagine what would become of similar protestors in a Middle East mosque?
 
2012-09-12 01:28:41 PM  

coeyagi: Benghazi and Cairo. Really, Muslims?

Back in 98, it was Tanzania and Kenya. You didn't f*ck around then. Now granted, embassies are more like Xanadu coated in polyurethane and surrounded by gators, electric fences, and RPG-toting brigades of Marines than they used to be, but we expected better from you.

We expected better.


Um yeah, those targets were exactly what they wanted to hit.

* 9/11 significant date for Americans
* Egypt -- US assisted in recent change in government
* Libya -- US assisted in recent change in government

This was obviously a planned attack. It may or may not have originally been meant to kill anyone but for both of the two countries that we recently helped change governments to both attack our embassy's on the same day while other countries that have huge Muslim populations that we have worse relationships with did not attack leaves little doubt.
 
2012-09-12 01:28:49 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-12 01:30:00 PM  

Gulper Eel: Most papers go to press in the 10:30-11:30 window, especially if they have evening events to cover like sports.


My two cents: as a New Yorker who used to read the Times, the News, and the Post almost every day, I know that the News and the Post would almost always have the late sports scores, but the Times would hardly ever have the late sports scores. Perhaps someone with free time can check the print editions of all three sports sections to back that up.
 
2012-09-12 01:32:18 PM  
Are those Romney pictures seriously from today? Wow. Creepy. Like, McCain eye-roll creepy.
 
2012-09-12 01:32:31 PM  

Kazrath: coeyagi: Benghazi and Cairo. Really, Muslims?

Back in 98, it was Tanzania and Kenya. You didn't f*ck around then. Now granted, embassies are more like Xanadu coated in polyurethane and surrounded by gators, electric fences, and RPG-toting brigades of Marines than they used to be, but we expected better from you.

We expected better.

Um yeah, those targets were exactly what they wanted to hit.

* 9/11 significant date for Americans
* Egypt -- US assisted in recent change in government
* Libya -- US assisted in recent change in government

This was obviously a planned attack. It may or may not have originally been meant to kill anyone but for both of the two countries that we recently helped change governments to both attack our embassy's on the same day while other countries that have huge Muslim populations that we have worse relationships with did not attack leaves little doubt.


Egypt wasn't attacked. It really was just a protest. They just happened to jump our fence first. Its seriously not even on the same planet in terms of severity. Is it still severe? Yup. It would be a big story if a different consulate weren't just attacked militarily and burned.

Libya was a deliberate preplanned attack. It is not yet known whether protests there were initiated by the attackers or just used serendipitously.
 
2012-09-12 01:34:18 PM  

bartink: I_C_Weener: Jake Havechek: It was a bunch of yahoos and hooligans, how do you declare war on them?


Ask Pussy Riot

Can you imagine what would become of similar protestors in a Middle East mosque?



I was thniking of their convictions for "hooliganism", but yeah, females in a Middle East mosque protesting would be instant stonings.
 
2012-09-12 01:34:21 PM  

I_C_Weener: Jake Havechek: It was a bunch of yahoos and hooligans, how do you declare war on them?


Ask Pussy Riot


Well, punk rock chicks getting wild and garnering a farked up response from the Russian government is a lot different than a bunch of assholes killing Americans because they don't like some random dickweed's movie.
 
2012-09-12 01:36:02 PM  

InmanRoshi: Romney has not backed off the response - "It's never too early for the United States government to condemn attacks on Americans and to defend our values," he said Wednesday - but his campaign faces a near consensus in Republican foreign policy circles that, whatever the sentiment, Romney faltered badly.

"It's deeply unfortunate when the circumstance of the statement becomes the story," said Rick Perry's former foreign policy adviser, Victoria Coates, who is now an adjunct fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, and who suggested that Romney should simply have "gone earlier rather than save it for midnight" to avoid appearing to play politics on September 11. "It's unfortunate that it's playing out this way, and hopefully they can get back on message, because their point is sound," she said.

Other conservatives were less sympathetic.

"It's bad," said a former aide to Senator John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign. "Just on a factual level that the statement was not a response but preceding, or one could make the case precipitating. And just calling it a 'disgrace' doesn't really cut it. Not ready for prime time."

A third Republican, a former Bush State Department official, told BuzzFeed, "It wasn't presidential of Romney to go political immediately - a tragedy of this magnitude should be something the nation collectively grieves before politics enters the conversation."


"They were just trying to score a cheap news cycle hit based on the embassy statement and now it's just completely blown up," said a very senior Republican foreign policy hand, who called the statement an "utter disaster" and a "Lehman moment" - a parallel to the moment when John McCain, amid the 2008 financial crisis, failed to come across as a steady leader. 


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Remember when people were questioning Mitt's lack of foreign policy experience/skills. Seems like this is one of those reasons why it was a legitimate concern.

Was he really this gleeful when giving that speech on TV? I've been at work since 6 AM and didn't see it.
 
2012-09-12 01:36:23 PM  

I_C_Weener: bartink: I_C_Weener: Jake Havechek: It was a bunch of yahoos and hooligans, how do you declare war on them?


Ask Pussy Riot

Can you imagine what would become of similar protestors in a Middle East mosque?


I was thniking of their convictions for "hooliganism", but yeah, females in a Middle East mosque protesting would be instant stonings.


Good gravy, you can't even fathom what atrocities would happen to those girls if they did that in a mosque, but that's still beside the point.
 
2012-09-12 01:37:12 PM  

Mrtraveler01: InmanRoshi: Romney has not backed off the response - "It's never too early for the United States government to condemn attacks on Americans and to defend our values," he said Wednesday - but his campaign faces a near consensus in Republican foreign policy circles that, whatever the sentiment, Romney faltered badly.

"It's deeply unfortunate when the circumstance of the statement becomes the story," said Rick Perry's former foreign policy adviser, Victoria Coates, who is now an adjunct fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, and who suggested that Romney should simply have "gone earlier rather than save it for midnight" to avoid appearing to play politics on September 11. "It's unfortunate that it's playing out this way, and hopefully they can get back on message, because their point is sound," she said.

Other conservatives were less sympathetic.

"It's bad," said a former aide to Senator John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign. "Just on a factual level that the statement was not a response but preceding, or one could make the case precipitating. And just calling it a 'disgrace' doesn't really cut it. Not ready for prime time."

A third Republican, a former Bush State Department official, told BuzzFeed, "It wasn't presidential of Romney to go political immediately - a tragedy of this magnitude should be something the nation collectively grieves before politics enters the conversation."


"They were just trying to score a cheap news cycle hit based on the embassy statement and now it's just completely blown up," said a very senior Republican foreign policy hand, who called the statement an "utter disaster" and a "Lehman moment" - a parallel to the moment when John McCain, amid the 2008 financial crisis, failed to come across as a steady leader. 


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Remember when people were questioning Mitt's lack of foreign policy experience/skills. Seems like this is one of those reason ...


apparently the pictures of his smug face above on this page are from THAT press conference. He looks like he got to sneak a peak at his christmas present.
 
2012-09-12 01:38:57 PM  
Does anyone have a gif of the Romney speech? Was he actually smirking while saying Obama is apologizing for terrorists? Or did someone in the room make a funny comment? I cannot believe this is legit. Borderline traitor if you laugh at Americans getting killed.
 
2012-09-12 01:39:41 PM  
... smells like Republican desperation. Disgusting and reprehensible to try and score political points with this but I put nothing past them these days.
 
2012-09-12 01:43:20 PM  

USA Prime Credit Peggy: Does anyone have a gif of the Romney speech? Was he actually smirking while saying Obama is apologizing for terrorists? Or did someone in the room make a funny comment? I cannot believe this is legit. Borderline traitor if you laugh at Americans getting killed.


I know. I was taken back by those photos too. I mean what other similar event do you remember a politician smirking like that?
 
2012-09-12 01:45:08 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: That figures.


Oh, I'd say they're pissed off at the people who did the deed, whoever they may be. Don't know who they are, but we will in due time.

Though one of our own trying to score cheap political points off of the death of our diplomats... we know exactly who that individual is.
 
2012-09-12 01:51:04 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-09-12 01:51:08 PM  

Jake Havechek: I_C_Weener: Jake Havechek: It was a bunch of yahoos and hooligans, how do you declare war on them?


Ask Pussy Riot

Well, punk rock chicks getting wild and garnering a farked up response from the Russian government is a lot different than a bunch of assholes killing Americans because they don't like some random dickweed's movie.



Except...they were convicted of "hooliganism".  Ergo, that is what you do with hooligans.  Don't ask a question if you don't want an answer.  Sheesh.
 
2012-09-12 01:54:32 PM  

Jake Havechek: Good gravy, you can't even fathom what atrocities would happen to those girls if they did that in a mosque, but that's still beside the point.


Not beside the point I was making. ;)
 
2012-09-12 01:54:40 PM  

I_C_Weener: Jake Havechek: I_C_Weener: Jake Havechek: It was a bunch of yahoos and hooligans, how do you declare war on them?


Ask Pussy Riot

Well, punk rock chicks getting wild and garnering a farked up response from the Russian government is a lot different than a bunch of assholes killing Americans because they don't like some random dickweed's movie.


Except...they were convicted of "hooliganism".  Ergo, that is what you do with hooligans.  Don't ask a question if you don't want an answer.  Sheesh.


I was using "hooligans" as a general term to describe a bunch of assholes, not a legal term, in Russia or elsewhere.
 
2012-09-12 01:56:03 PM  

bartink: Jake Havechek: Good gravy, you can't even fathom what atrocities would happen to those girls if they did that in a mosque, but that's still beside the point.

Not beside the point I was making. ;)


Ahh. Gotcha.
 
2012-09-12 01:57:57 PM  

Gulper Eel (AKA subtard): And the news about the first consulate employee killed broke at around 8:30, which is PLENTY of time for a newspaper with its shiat together to rework a front page.


The Times is moving the printing schedule for its weekday front section forward - to about 6 p.m. from 11 p.m. - while creating an inside section just for late-breaking news, to go to press at 11:30 p.m. or later.

That chicken looks really, awfully, dreadfully tired.
 
2012-09-12 02:01:15 PM  

Jake Havechek: I was using "hooligans" as a general term to describe a bunch of assholes, not a legal term, in Russia or elsewhere.

 
 
Futbol hooligans
 
www.aktifmag.com
 
Football hooligans.
 
blogs.westword.com
 
Punk rock hooligans
 
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Muslim hooligans
 
www.hurriyetdailynews.com
 
2012-09-12 02:02:04 PM  

USA Prime Credit Peggy: Does anyone have a gif of the Romney speech? Was he actually smirking while saying Obama is apologizing for terrorists? Or did someone in the room make a funny comment? I cannot believe this is legit. Borderline traitor if you laugh at Americans getting killed.


The press conference is on YouTube. His face is always vaguely smirky IMO, but he doesn't really get his smirk on until the Q&A portion at the end. Particularly, look at where he says, "I'm not going to get into hypotheticals...We responded last night to what happened in Egypt." The game-show-host smirk photo I think comes when he says thank you and leaves.
 
2012-09-12 02:02:08 PM  

BuckTurgidson: Gulper Eel (AKA subtard): And the news about the first consulate employee killed broke at around 8:30, which is PLENTY of time for a newspaper with its shiat together to rework a front page.

The Times is moving the printing schedule for its weekday front section forward - to about 6 p.m. from 11 p.m. - while creating an inside section just for late-breaking news, to go to press at 11:30 p.m. or later.

That chicken looks really, awfully, dreadfully tired.


5.media.bustedtees.cvcdn.com
 
2012-09-12 02:05:30 PM  

someonelse: His face is always vaguely smirky IMO,



He and W Bush have that in common.  The more serious it is the more you notice a subconscious smirk.
 
2012-09-12 02:11:59 PM  

BuckTurgidson: The Times is moving the printing schedule for its weekday front section forward - to about 6 p.m. from 11 p.m. - while creating an inside section just for late-breaking news, to go to press at 11:30 p.m. or later.

That chicken looks really, awfully, dreadfully tired.


Its just semen encrusted down at this point.
 
2012-09-12 02:16:35 PM  

I_C_Weener: someonelse: His face is always vaguely smirky IMO,


He and W Bush have that in common.  The more serious it is the more you notice a subconscious smirk.


It seems to be a defensive reaction for Romney. When he's reading prepared material he's OK, but as soon as he has to answer any questions, he gets that Judge Smails-esque panic-smirk.
 
2012-09-12 02:19:24 PM  

Wicked Chinchilla: Act of War is simply a justification for war. It does not mean war is automatically declared.

A pancake is a pancake, it does not mean you are eating breakfast at the time.


If this theoretical pancake exists, it will be eaten by me and in doing so it will become breakfast time extension.
 
2012-09-12 02:20:59 PM  

skinnycatullus: the craven diplomatic response to it

I'm confused about what this is supposed to mean. The only official response I've seen has been condemnation.


It's the republicans employing the "big Lie" strategy and seizing on a document written and released BEFORE the attacks that tried to calm people's feelings. Romney is now claiming that it was "our response" to the attack and that we offered sympathy to the attackers rather than condemning the violence
 
2012-09-12 02:26:01 PM  

mrshowrules: Wicked Chinchilla: Act of War is simply a justification for war. It does not mean war is automatically declared.

A pancake is a pancake, it does not mean you are eating breakfast at the time.

If this theoretical pancake exists, it will be eaten by me and in doing so it will become breakfast time extension.


False. It will become an amalgamation of the nearest meal and breakfast.

exp. - Eating Breakfast food at or around lunchtime = Brunch.
or, and this is my personal favorite, breakfast at or around dinner time = Brinner. I love brinner.
 
2012-09-12 02:31:41 PM  

Magorn: skinnycatullus: the craven diplomatic response to it

I'm confused about what this is supposed to mean. The only official response I've seen has been condemnation.

It's the republicans employing the "big Lie" strategy and seizing on a document written and released BEFORE the attacks that tried to calm people's feelings. Romney is now claiming that it was "our response" to the attack and that we offered sympathy to the attackers rather than condemning the violence


And even worse, the tweet was sent from Egypt, where the eventual protest was fairly mild. The violent attack was in Libya. But the big lie conflates the two, and makes it seem as though the t weet was a response to the attack in Libya.
 
2012-09-12 02:54:27 PM  

HighOnCraic: My two cents: as a New Yorker who used to read the Times, the News, and the Post almost every day, I know that the News and the Post would almost always have the late sports scores, but the Times would hardly ever have the late sports scores. Perhaps someone with free time can check the print editions of all three sports sections to back that up.


Here's the Times print-page synopsis. You can see capsule versions of the stories by first hovering over the table of contents and taking it from there. They got the Mets and Yankees scores in, but I'm not sure when the games ended. Yankees-Red Sox tend to run long.

At any rate, and to recap: the Times did have the embassy story that did include the riots and the first consular employee's death but not the other four deaths.

I think that even without the ambassador's death available for the press run, it was worthy of front page coverage, seeing as the Times is the paper of record and all.

They put it on A4 with no mention on the front. The News, Post, USA Today, Washington Post, Chicago Tribune and WSJ had variations of it on their front page, kicking people to longer stories inside. Which is what they do when something breaks and they want to get it in without reorganizing the whole front page.

And I think Newsday was still trying to find Libya on their globe.
 
2012-09-12 02:58:22 PM  

InmanRoshi: [s3.amazonaws.com image 550x309]
LULZ!!!1111 I trolled the Fartbongo!1111ONEZ


That's the same damn smirk that Mitt wears whenever one of the press dares ask him a question that he doesn't like.

Video evidence: Marijana
Not mentioning troops during his RNC speech

/As Lewis Black pointed out, if you're Pesident, "You can't talk about the war with a smile on your face. [G.W. Bush did] it constantly. If you're the President, you should go 'We're going to talk about the war, I must have a frowny face.'"

//Long quote slashies
 
2012-09-12 03:00:08 PM  
Romney is right. Obama's response has been totally lame. If Romney were president he'd personally fly to Libya, buy the entire country by putting $10 million of his own money down and financing the rest of the deal with $120 billion in junk bonds, then pay off the country's leaders with huge bonuses, burden the country with massive debt it can never pay off, and then cash out, leaving the country in financial ruin.

You know, creating jobs.
 
2012-09-12 03:01:26 PM  

Wicked Chinchilla: mrshowrules: Wicked Chinchilla: Act of War is simply a justification for war. It does not mean war is automatically declared.

A pancake is a pancake, it does not mean you are eating breakfast at the time.

If this theoretical pancake exists, it will be eaten by me and in doing so it will become breakfast time extension.

False. It will become an amalgamation of the nearest meal and breakfast.

exp. - Eating Breakfast food at or around lunchtime = Brunch.
or, and this is my personal favorite, breakfast at or around dinner time = Brinner. I love brinner.


Ahhhh Brinner. It's what's for lupper.
 
2012-09-12 03:12:45 PM  

USA Prime Credit Peggy: Does anyone have a gif of the Romney speech? Was he actually smirking while saying Obama is apologizing for terrorists? Or did someone in the room make a funny comment? I cannot believe this is legit. Borderline traitor if you laugh at Americans getting killed.


I watched it (and here's a link, so you can watch, too). He didn't start out smiling. But the smirk just kind of got away from him a few times - when he thought he was scoring points, or when the press dared to question his actions. Mostly he's pretty condescending about the whole "being questioned" thing.
 
2012-09-12 03:34:06 PM  

Jackson Herring: cancon: RIP Vile Rat

Has it been confirmed that he died? Last I heard two of the victims names hadn't been released


From what I heard, two of the dead were Marines, in which case they have to go through different channels to notify families.
 
2012-09-12 03:46:42 PM  

skinnycatullus: the craven diplomatic response to it

I'm confused about what this is supposed to mean. The only official response I've seen has been condemnation.


Then you haven't seen the Romney-fied version of the White House response. Even though he was nowhere near the White House, of course it's the only version that's "true"...

What an asshole. Romney can't even let something tragic like this go by without lying and then trying to turn it into political gain.
 
2012-09-12 05:03:40 PM  

propasaurus: Kazan: fark you farking muslim extremists, and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Muhammad.

I wonder if you'll feel the same about voting for a Mormon?


oh.. because i dislike muslim religious extremists suddenly means i'm a republican?

you're daft, and don't realize who you're talking to

i dislike all religion, and i despise all religious extremists

and romney is a farkwit.

coeyagi: Kazan: fark you farking muslim extremists, and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Muhammad.

This could be Mad Fark Libs.

fark you farking Mormon extremists and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Joseph Smith.


That indeed does still work.
 
2012-09-12 05:07:01 PM  

TheMysticS: coeyagi: Kazan: fark you farking muslim extremists, and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Muhammad.

This could be Mad Fark Libs.

fark you farking Mormon extremists and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Joseph Smith.

snap


snap denied. i agree with the modified version as well.

making assumptions about other people because of an isolated statement that is a condemnation of extremists makes you look dumb
 
2012-09-12 05:08:13 PM  

Jackson Herring: cancon: RIP Vile Rat

Has it been confirmed that he died? Last I heard two of the victims names hadn't been released


CFC diplos posted it last night.
 
2012-09-12 05:15:00 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Kazan: fark you farking muslim extremists, and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Muhammad.

Hey, everybody! We found (the Evil Bigot) Terry Jones' Fark handle!


Hey, everybody! We found (the jackass) Dumbfark Bob's Fark Handle!

way to make assumptions. notice how i said EXTREMISTS you farking degenerate?


i shouldn't have to do this.. but for the record

fark christian extremists
fark jewish extremists
fark all extremists

and fark religion and the vile blight it is upon humanity in general.
 
2012-09-12 05:34:50 PM  

Kazan: DjangoStonereaver: Kazan: fark you farking muslim extremists, and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Muhammad.

Hey, everybody! We found (the Evil Bigot) Terry Jones' Fark handle!

Hey, everybody! We found (the jackass) Dumbfark Bob's Fark Handle!

way to make assumptions. notice how i said EXTREMISTS you farking degenerate?


i shouldn't have to do this.. but for the record

fark christian extremists
fark jewish extremists
fark all extremists

and fark religion and the vile blight it is upon humanity in general.


Here, I think you need this:

www.freefoto.com

Don't worry. Its decaf.
 
2012-09-12 05:44:06 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Kazan: DjangoStonereaver: Kazan: fark you farking muslim extremists, and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Muhammad.

Hey, everybody! We found (the Evil Bigot) Terry Jones' Fark handle!

Hey, everybody! We found (the jackass) Dumbfark Bob's Fark Handle!

way to make assumptions. notice how i said EXTREMISTS you farking degenerate?


i shouldn't have to do this.. but for the record

fark christian extremists
fark jewish extremists
fark all extremists

and fark religion and the vile blight it is upon humanity in general.

Here, I think you need this:

[www.freefoto.com image 600x400]

Don't worry. Its decaf.


i don't need caffeine, i rarely drink anything caffeinated.

dude you made a pretty dumb assumption about me based on one statement condemning extremists. have the balls to admit you made an error.
 
2012-09-12 06:41:35 PM  

Kazan:
dude you made a pretty dumb assumption about me based on one statement condemning extremists. have the balls to admit you made an error.


i39.tinypic.com

Wear a helmet:
 
2012-09-12 07:12:35 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Kazan:
dude you made a pretty dumb assumption about me based on one statement condemning extremists. have the balls to admit you made an error.

[i39.tinypic.com image 477x346]

Wear a helmet:


static.ddmcdn.com
 
2012-09-12 08:00:43 PM  

FlashHarry: i love how the romneybots have already come out and said that obama's response is "craven" when in fact he condemned it harshly. way to turn the death of an american patriot into a political point, you scumbags.

btw - what time did the incident occur, and what time does the NYT go to print? that might account for the lack of headline in the PRINT edition. i see that the online edition is leading with the killing.


Like you are now? Like you did door the gabby Gifford shooting? Like the left did for aurora?

Yeah. Not much hypocrisy there. Grow up.
 
2012-09-12 09:23:54 PM  

Kazan: propasaurus: Kazan: fark you farking muslim extremists, and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Muhammad.

I wonder if you'll feel the same about voting for a Mormon?

oh.. because i dislike muslim religious extremists suddenly means i'm a republican?

you're daft, and don't realize who you're talking to

i dislike all religion, and i despise all religious extremists

and romney is a farkwit.

coeyagi: Kazan: fark you farking muslim extremists, and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Muhammad.

This could be Mad Fark Libs.

fark you farking Mormon extremists and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Joseph Smith.

That indeed does still work.


Quacks like a duck...
 
2012-09-12 09:35:07 PM  

Kazan: propasaurus: Kazan: fark you farking muslim extremists, and fark your pedophile raider 'prophet' Muhammad.

I wonder if you'll feel the same about voting for a Mormon?

oh.. because i dislike muslim religious extremists suddenly means i'm a republican?

you're daft, and don't realize who you're talking to

i dislike all religion, and i despise all religious extremists



Irony meter is over 9000.
 
2012-09-12 10:33:39 PM  

MyRandomName: FlashHarry: i love how the romneybots have already come out and said that obama's response is "craven" when in fact he condemned it harshly. way to turn the death of an american patriot into a political point, you scumbags.

btw - what time did the incident occur, and what time does the NYT go to print? that might account for the lack of headline in the PRINT edition. i see that the online edition is leading with the killing.

Like you are now? Like you did door the gabby Gifford shooting? Like the left did for aurora?

Yeah. Not much hypocrisy there. Grow up.


I love how you feel persecuted all the time even though you have no reason to.

It must really be a boring and sucky life to live if you keep thinking that everyone is out to get you.

You should lighten up and enjoy life for once.
 
2012-09-12 11:35:10 PM  
I guess we can put to rest the rumors that NYT is attempting to be balanced
 
2012-09-12 11:51:40 PM  

cman: I guess we can put to rest the rumors that NYT is attempting to be balanced


i guess we can put to rest the rumors that you're intelligent.
 
2012-09-13 12:08:32 AM  

mainstreet62: Tumunga: Bocasio: The Republicans want to frame whats happened in Iran in 1979
With what happened last night

This is epic manipulation

Comparing Obama to Carter? I see it. If you don't see it, you're blind.

Enlighten us, dickf*ck. Compare them. Show us what you've got.


They're both Mooslim lovers...You've been enlightened. Now it's your turn, ass snorkeler. Don't forget to wipe my nut off your fingers before you answer.
 
2012-09-13 12:09:21 AM  

Kazan: cman: I guess we can put to rest the rumors that NYT is attempting to be balanced

i guess we can put to rest the rumors that you're intelligent.


Wasnt that fact that I showed intelligence already debunked? Even I know I am a moron
 
2012-09-13 12:25:05 AM  

cman: I guess we can put to rest the rumors that NYT is attempting to be balanced


What is this, I don't even...
 
2012-09-13 04:39:06 AM  

Kazan: DjangoStonereaver: Kazan:
dude you made a pretty dumb assumption about me based on one statement condemning extremists. have the balls to admit you made an error.

[i39.tinypic.com image 477x346]

Wear a helmet:

static.ddmcdn.com


Three Hamlets agree:

meighan.edublogs.org

moviespics.wcgame.ru

static.guim.co.uk

Chill out, dude.
 
2012-09-13 10:00:20 AM  

DjangoStonereaver:

Three Hamlets agree:

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Chill out, dude.



David Tennant FTW.
 
2012-09-13 10:35:50 AM  

skykid: DjangoStonereaver:

Three Hamlets agree:

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Chill out, dude.


David Tennant FTW.


I was going to use a pic of Mel Gibson (whose Hamlet was actually pretty interesting since he went
with the rarely-used "Batshiat Insane" interpretation), but when I saw that pic I just had to use it.

I'm sorry I never got the chance to see it. I wonder if he'd ever do/has ever done Macbeth?
 
2012-09-13 01:47:21 PM  

Tumunga: mainstreet62: Tumunga: Bocasio: The Republicans want to frame whats happened in Iran in 1979
With what happened last night

This is epic manipulation

Comparing Obama to Carter? I see it. If you don't see it, you're blind.

Enlighten us, dickf*ck. Compare them. Show us what you've got.

They're both Mooslim lovers...You've been enlightened. Now it's your turn, ass snorkeler. Don't forget to wipe my nut off your fingers before you answer.


Honestly how do you still get bites?

Also just how much free time do you have on your hands?
 
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